Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
March 5, 2023
The MoA Week In Review – (Not Ukraine) OT 2023-54

Last week's post on Moon of Alabama:


Other issues:

Mexico:

Skripal affair:

Dugin:

Quake:

Use as open (not Ukraine related) thread …

Comments

NBC NEWS
China needs to accept U.S. is a leader, of the march to Hell, Ambassador Burns says.

Sorry, couldn’t resist.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 5 2023 16:00 utc | 1

thanks b for all of this!
i think it was bemildred and a few other posters that discussed the concept of leadership in a way that i related well with… a leader leads by example, not by coercion.. we see more of the later then the former at present on the world stage… people pick up on this and are not fooled..
hopefully people learn from their mistakes, as opposed to keep making them… it is a coin toss here what exactly is happening.. cheers from the best coast of vancouver island..

Posted by: james | Mar 5 2023 16:07 utc | 2

Thank you b.
Ukraine, Russia, China, and Dealing With Crazy People – Yves Smith / Naked Capitalism
The Reckoning That Wasn’t – Why America Remains Trapped by False Dreams of Hegemony
Russia’s Special Military Operation: After the First Year, A Paradigm Shift – Alexander Dugin / Postil
Good readin’. Cheers.
@ Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 5 2023 16:00 utc | 1
The Chinese ‘burn’ in response was priceless. More popcorn required at this rate.

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 5 2023 16:08 utc | 3

if b hasn’t given you all enough to read, here is indian punchline from today…
Ukraine: A war to end all wars in Europe

Posted by: james | Mar 5 2023 16:15 utc | 4

No, AMLO Is Not Undermining Mexican Democracy – Jacobin
====
Without reading, I can quickly refute Jacobin here. Words change meaning over time, e.g. “gay” in the lyrics of Dixieland was surely used in a different meaning than G in LGBT.
As introductory and important example, to tell if a person is anti-semitic or not, these days we have to get his/her answer to a single question: Is Israel the most admirable state in the world? When I has a wee lad, the meaning was different. If your recorded statements suggest negative answer, then, I am sorry to say, you are an anti-Semite and you can be purged out of some organizations like Labour Party, employment in reputable media etc.
This example is important in tracing the currently established meaning of “democracy”. While there are states in the Middle East with multi-party elections, free media (to my knowledge), the democracy there is deficient enough to justify “Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East” (one facet of its admirability). This quickly shows unimportant aspects of democracy, free elections and free media, manifestly insufficient.
Actually, media is something that democracies in good standing prune, as befits a good gardener. Josep Borrell provided very important clarifications, approval of closing media and censorship in social network (and military censorship in Israel) is explained in a short phrase.
AMLO undermines democracy is few ways. Freedom of enterprise is in danger by some reports, but the position of Mexico in the global struggles of Democracies versus Authoritarians positions Mexico in a wrong place, and I would guess that Mexican media has plenty of weeds that a democratic state in The Garden would remove. Here I am guessing because I do not know Spanish.
That said, a workable definition of democracy still eludes me.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 5 2023 16:19 utc | 5

SALISBURY: FIVE YEARS OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS – Ru Embassy in UK
This show how authoritarian Russian Federation is, asking questions that would never be raised in responsible media in democratic countries of The Garden.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 5 2023 16:22 utc | 6

@ Piotr Berman | Mar 5 2023 16:22 utc | 6
With regard to the western MSM attempt to use the word “authoritarian” as the new term of abuse against all who try to oppose or withstand the discourses promoted by the imperial system, and in contrast to “democratic,” it is interesting how futile their search for such vocabulary has become.
During the Cold War, it was easier to distinguish the “communists” from the “freedom-loving good guys,” because the communist states literally called themselves communist and were ruled by the Communist Party in each case. With the end of the Cold War, and with Russia and China trying to join the world economic system, the label “communist,” although still formally applicable in the case of China, completely lost its previous pejorative effect. So how to distinguish those opposers of US hegemony and aggression, those who actually want political and economic parity, equality, and respect?
All the system and its MSM have come up with is “authoritarian” versus “democratic.” Too bad this rings hollow, as the behavior of the so-called “democratic” regimes themselves becomes increasingly authoritarian, exposing the establishment rulers and media as hypocrites and liars. This is found out too easily by many people, and also “authoritarian” just has no punch anyway, because it would take a long time through constant propaganda over years to develop that, and time those in power don’t have.
Indeed, everyone who reflects can see their own western so-called “democratic” dispensation is essentially authoritarian, or rather totalitarian, a word used in the Cold War that they haven’t tried much to return to using. But totalitarian is appropriate as a description of the would-be US “full-spectrum dominance” of the world. After all, in our vaunted “Great Republic” in the US here, how much democracy and freedom is there really? Despite elections, which are carefully-managed affairs, the citizen has no input, and especially not on foreign policy. Indeed, the elected politicians have little say either, because the main policies, economic, military, and foreign, are controlled by unelected elites who hector any politicians who step out of line with their Great Wurlitzer scream machine of the media.
However, beside the citizen’s lack of influence, there is also the other fact of economic feudalism, which engulfs every citizen, even those who have no ambition to influence anything. So, here on the one hand you have the claim that we live in the US in untrammeled freedom and can do whatever we want, including speak freely, but on the other hand we have a completely undemocratic corporate dispensation, where each corporation is controlled by a totalitarian chief, where there is no freedom to dissent, and where the ruler of the corporation, while not able to execute dissidents without trial, can fire them without trial, thus depriving them of their livelihood, only a step away from capital punishment. How can this be construed as democratic and not totalitarian? In our moneyed system, everyone has to work to be able to live, so woe to those who cannot find a living, and there are plenty of examples of people who have been persecuted in this very way, Norman Finkelstein, Steven Salaita, etc.
Furthermore, because of the functions of property rights, ownership, and taxation, it is very hard for a person or a family or a group alternatively to set themselves up independent of the system, like someone going to live in the woods as a hermit, unless that person is independently wealthy, which itself could only come about through some connection with the system. Maybe some traditional exceptions have been grandfathered in, like the Amish, but anyone trying to set themselves up that way now would have a really hard time.
Indeed, neoliberal full-spectrum dominance demands the subordination of every human individual, even every grain of sand, to the system. It has to be a total, hence totalitarian, full-spectrum mobilization. So they have a lot of impudence trying to attribute “authoritarianism” to any except themselves, the totalitarian masters. Too bad for them their system is completely unsustainable and doomed. Anyway, for us for the time being, it is good and right to throw “authoritarian” right back in their faces, along with “totalitarian” too.
Thanks to Piotr Berman for mentioning the two terms, which gave me my take-off point here. I always appreciate your contributions to MOA.

Posted by: Cabe | Mar 5 2023 17:17 utc | 7

India Punchline today:
“If Scholz was privy to Biden’s plan to destroy Nord Stream, it signifies an act of collusion. A major German national strategic asset owned in joint venture with Russia was destroyed, seriously damaging the country’s economy and impacting tens of millions of jobs, putting many lives at risk.
Germany has had to pay 10 times the market price for gas to bolster its reserves. Europe has fallen into the trap of becoming highly dependent on US energy imports. The US is the main beneficiary of Europe’s energy crisis and its ensuing “deindustrialization” and “industrial hollowing-out.” A deep recession appears inevitable in Germany.”
A preliminary epitaph for the present EU/NATO complex (EUNC)?? At best, the biggest foot-shooting political act in a century–bye bye Germany pie, your friends blew up the pipelines and the lines went dry. Too much American whiskey.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Mar 5 2023 17:20 utc | 8

@ Elmagnostic | Mar 5 2023 17:20 utc | 8
Treason.

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 5 2023 17:29 utc | 9

Cabe,
Ellen Meiksins Wood makes that very point in her book Democracy Against Capitalism. There is nothing more totalitarian than the market, with its iron laws of competition, profit making, commodification, exploitation.
Communism brings democratic or collective control over human affairs. And uses the wealth of society for collective purposes.

Posted by: Wilbur | Mar 5 2023 17:37 utc | 10

Puzzled by Crooke’s use of Manichaenism as a parallel descriptor of the Biden regime’s approach to Russia. Why discredit a legitimate religious movement by association with a corrupt bunch of thugs?
A better descriptor of the conflict is between an aging mob boss and some upstart mob bosses. The dueling speeches of last week are a sideshow, mere lip service to rally the troops before going to the mattresses.

Posted by: Sanctions R US | Mar 5 2023 17:39 utc | 11

I keep wondering why Britain et al are so keen to arm Ukraine to their own detriment. I can see that the US wants NATO to take more of the burden of fighting Russia to leave the US freer to prepare to fight China, but the Europeans are obviously not up to the job, and blame for the failure to beat Russia will still come back the the doorstep of the US. The US won’t be able to avoid the consequences.

Posted by: Pete Jones | Mar 5 2023 18:11 utc | 12

Posted by: Wilbur | Mar 5 2023 17:37 utc | 10
Exactly! E M-W’s other book “Empire of Capital” is also quite relevant to seeing how essential multi-polarity is to the freedom from the Empire.

Posted by: Pete Jones | Mar 5 2023 18:14 utc | 13

One day in the USSR a man pointed towards a building and told me: “That is the building from where they jam the BBC broadcasts; and judging by the strength of the jamming, we estimate which political faction has the upper hand.”
This week in Europe I have been able to browse the web of Russia Today once, but since then nothing.

Posted by: Passerby | Mar 5 2023 18:16 utc | 14

Would you steal from one person if this theft benefits humanity?
Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 5 2023 18:19 utc | 286
I’d happily steal all of Zelensky’s billions and redistribute the money to the poor people of Ukraine so they could have nice things. Wouldn’t you?

Posted by: irish al | Mar 5 2023 18:34 utc | 15

Passerby @ 14
you have to set your browser to use google DNS 🙂
http://www.rt.com hasn’t resolved for quite some time here ( in Germany )

Posted by: MACC | Mar 5 2023 18:34 utc | 16

Posted by: irish al | Mar 5 2023 18:34 utc | 15
Not surprising. The essence of socialism is redistributing nice things from the people you don’t like to the people you do like. Then there are also those socialists who only like themselves. And then Ukrainians say they want weapons, so those are probably their “nice things”.

Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 5 2023 19:09 utc | 17

” Meet a few of the Jews keeping humanity safe and healthy amid the deadly COVID-19 pandemic. ”
https://jewishcontributions.com/infotables/covid/

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 5 2023 19:15 utc | 18

Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 5 2023 19:09 utc | 17
I don’t think that you have a solid grasp of the principals of socialism if your statement is an accurate reflection of your belief. You must have had been fucked over at some stage by someone pretending to be socialist or hiding their ill-intent behind a flag of convenience. Is there a better way for us to follow that you are aware of?

Posted by: irish al | Mar 5 2023 19:16 utc | 19

You must have had been fucked over at some stage by someone pretending to be socialist
Posted by: irish al | Mar 5 2023 19:16 utc | 19
I guess I haven’t met the true socialist then, like I haven’t met the true Scotsman. Because the ones I’ve met wanted redistribution.

Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 5 2023 19:37 utc | 20

Posted by: Passerby | Mar 5 2023 18:16 utc | 14
swentr.site

Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 5 2023 19:40 utc | 21

Because the ones I’ve met wanted redistribution.
Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 5 2023 19:37 utc | 20
This is a necessary start point to establish a level society, given the current (and increasing) levels of disparity between the haves and have-nots. We’d very much need to leave the capitalist model of economics behind us as well.
Some people are very happy with the status quo, but it’s not working so great for most of us on the planet.

Posted by: irish al | Mar 5 2023 20:00 utc | 22

And then Ukrainians say they want weapons, so those are probably their “nice things”.
Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 5 2023 19:09 utc | 17
Oh my. Zelensky—the one demanding weapons and death—isn’t even slavic, but a jew, as is his government: primarily jews with a sprinkling of galician nazis. So don’t go saying that “Ukrainians” want weapons. They don’t, they’re a good people.

Posted by: Mike | Mar 5 2023 20:05 utc | 23

Because the ones I’ve met wanted redistribution.
Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 5 2023 19:37 utc | 20
Taking everything away from gates, soros, fink, the rothchilds, every political leader in the west, pfizer, and israel, and giving it back to normal people sounds like a fantastic thing to do. I also support reinstituting centuries-old traditions of executing criminals of this sort.

Posted by: Mike | Mar 5 2023 20:10 utc | 24

This is a necessary start point to establish a level society, given the current (and increasing) levels of disparity between the haves and have-nots.
Posted by: irish al | Mar 5 2023 20:00 utc | 22
You think you deserve it and they don’t. They think they deserve it and you don’t.

Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 5 2023 20:29 utc | 25

What is your stance on this? (You talk like an oligarch, how is life in your fabulous mansion BTW?)
Seriously, though – where in the world are you to shape your views? As you can tell from my name, I’m in Ireland…

Posted by: irish al | Mar 5 2023 20:34 utc | 26

Assange?
Does anyone have any news about the extradition process? I saw one report that it had gone through, without confirmation.
The silence is bad news.

Posted by: Stonebird | Mar 5 2023 20:50 utc | 27

I think it would be courtesy to at least spell Edward Snowden’s name correctly in the title of the article, even if you disagree with him about a particular point.

Posted by: Dalit | Mar 5 2023 21:27 utc | 28

– KALERGI PLAN: What everyone needs to know –
https://themillenniumreport.com/2018/05/kalergi-plan-what-everyone-needs-to-know/

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 5 2023 21:50 utc | 29

Vikichka @ 17, 20:
Socialism is rather more complex than redistributing nice things away from people you don’t like to people you do like. Even Neoliberal capitalism redistributes nice things and the things that people need to people someone may like away from people that someone doesn’t like. That someone who decides who should have nice things and who shouldn’t have nice things may not be someone you like.
The essence of socialism is that people own their labour and the resources they need to produce things that others need (and may desire). In a society where socialism is the political and the economic ideology, people will want to work because work is a pleasure and is a nice thing they desire; and such people will produce enough other nice things that everyone, whether you like them or not, can have them all and there may be some nice things left over.
In such a society, work is then structured so that it allows people to express their creativity and individuality, and the work itself plus the satisfaction it gives is the motivation to make and produce things. This doesn’t necessarily have to be work related to entertainment, art or leisure.
If people believe that socialism is nothing more than redistributing goods and services so that even lazy freeloaders get the same things that people who put in nine hours or more a day get, that’s not socialism, that’s just redistribution, full stop. The kind of society that kind of redistribution occurs in depends on a much wider social, political and economic context. Even hunter-gatherer societies have to redistribute things in a way not everyone likes, because there are lazy freeloaders, incompetent people and others who need constant care, like the elderly, babies or injured or crippled people who need things too.
The idea that socialism equals such redistribution is a misinterpretation of the idea expressed in the statement “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” associated with Karl Marx. The idea actually means that in a perfect socialist society, everyone will want to produce nice things to the extent that their own personal motivations and desires drive them to do so, and there will be enough nice things that everyone will be satisfied, with some nice things to spare that those who want them can still have them.
The issue is one of social justice and how social justice is defined, what principles it should be based on, and how to carry out that justice so that its principles and aims are clear to everyone. It has to deal with the lazy freeloaders, the criminals and those who want to take advantage of honest people and trick, manipulate or bully them into giving up things they need just so the greedy ones can have more than they need.
This is what you are really concerned about, that socialism is nothing more than a label that justifies taking something you’ve earned by hard work and giving it to someone who doesn’t deserve it.

Posted by: Jen | Mar 5 2023 22:16 utc | 30

“China needs to accept U.S. is a leader, Ambassador Burns says”
The hubris of US insanity. The tower of Babel trying to rule the world.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 5 2023 22:43 utc | 31

Of all things I’ve spent the afternoon watching Navalny themed videos including his campaign platform when he entered the Presidential race in 2017, I think. Of course there’s also the many videos of him comparing residents of the Caucasus to cockroaches and marching with Nazis complete with swastikas and ‘heil’ signs. Also some stuff about his anti-corruption activities, which seem to have been legit in many cases. So I was wondering, who the hell really is this Navalny character? The so-called planks in his campaign seemed very reasonable and to the left of Putin’s government and he got his start in left wing politics (and was kicked out for being a Nazi). So in the framework of Russian politics, where is Navalny really?
Also stumbled across this old Peter Hitchens copy/paste history of Crimea. Pretty fascinating and seems very comprehensive. https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2015/02/a-not-so-brief-history-of-crimea.html
Much space in his daily comments and replies is dedicated to answering questions from pro NATO automatons. Scroll down for some interesting back and forth. https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/
Here’s an example:

DS:
Sometimes it’s nice to be wrong. Like many, probably most Western observers, I held out little hope for Ukraine once the drums of war began to beat in earnest. A couple of days after Mr Putin’s brutal invasion began, I wrote a bullish essay looking back at Ukraine’s history of suffering and resilience. But even as I was agonising over my prose, the bleak news continued to pour in. “Now, while I have been writing, Russian tanks are rolling into the suburbs,” I wrote at one stage. Did I think they would be driven back? I didn’t. “Kyiv will rise again,” I wrote at the end. Stirring words, or so I hoped. But the person I was really trying to persuade was myself, and I didn’t succeed.
In truth, I underestimated the Ukrainian people’s resilience, their courage, their love of country. And I was wrong, too, about the Western alliance. After more than a decade of drift and inaction, from the shameful failure to respond to the seizure of Crimea to the near-criminal indifference to the suffering in Syria,
********
PH: This is where Mr Sandbrook’s article really began to puzzle me. I must admit to being unaware of his having had any major interest in this region until now. Yet he is plainly emotionally engaged in some way, using the partisan ‘Kyiv’ spelling of the Ukrainian capital, which is favoured by Ukrainian nationalists, and which the Ukrainian foreign ministry had been trying (not very successfully) to get western journalists to use for many years before 2022. It is absurd for western journalists or historians to use this spelling as it would be for them to refer to the Russian capital as ‘Moskva’ (more correctly ‘Maskvah’), or to the capitals of Poland and Czechia as ‘Warszawa’ and ‘Praha’. (See also https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2020/09/the-beijing-kowtow-and-the-mumbai-jumbai-cringe-more-on-the-strange-renaming-of-cities-.html
for a discussion of how we refer to foreign cities). His qualification to write about this from a lofty quasi-judicial height, such as his tone implies, is surely that he is a historian, who might therefore be expected to be dispassionate about major events now in progress, sceptical of received wisdom and careful to examine matters fully. The use of ‘Kyiv’ instead of ‘Kiev’ is a bit like wearing those Vietnam Solidarity Campaign badges I was so fond of in the 1960s. It’s enjoyable to identify with the cause of the moment, but not very historian-like.
The history of Crimea, for instance, is highly complex. Leaving aside the much-discussed transfer of that peninsula from Russia (not a sovereign nation) to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic (not a sovereign nation) in 1954, it *is* now largely populated by ethnic Russians and even a fair referendum under strict NATO supervision would probably have endorsed its return to Russia in 2014. Given the widespread support in the West for multiple adjustments to the map of Europe since the Yugoslav wars, mainly from the Yugloslav Federal Republic to the European Union, but most strikingly the independence of Kosovo (with its famously democratic 99.98% vote in favour of secession), is anyone in the NATO region much of a position to say this is illegitimate elsewhere?
Does Mr Sandbrook know that Crimea was disgracefully prevented, by threats of ‘bloodshed’ (unspecified) made by the Kiev government, from holding a referendum on seceding from Ukraine in 1992? I suspect not. It is not widely known, but I have researched it and it is so. See https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2015/02/a-not-so-brief-history-of-crimea.html This prevention was paradoxical, since Ukraine itself had seceded from Moscow rule the year before, through a referendum, and Russia had made no threats of this kind, before, during or after. Though it had, very briefly, expressed concerns that the borders of the new sovereign Ukraine might cause trouble.
There is also a bit of a specific difficulty for NATO, one of whose members, Turkey, seized North Cyprus by force of arms in July 1974. The pretext for this, protection of the Turkish minority, was not dissimilar to Moscow’s pretext for taking possession of Crimea. (But unlike Turkey, which mounted an actual invasion, Russia had troops in Crimea, quite lawfully at the time, under the Kharkov agreement). The thing is that Turkey is still very much there in North Cyprus, almost 50 years later, , and no serious efforts have been made for years by NATO to dislodge her. One might add that , like Portugal, Turkey has not always been especially democratic or free, and NATO did not at its foundation demand especially high standards of governance as a condition of membership. As Mr Sandbrook surely knows, absolutes are hard to find in the histories of nations and alliances. There are few saints among the nations. One other thing: rather than get drawn into the maelstrom of Syria, which he mentions, may I just urge him to look up the CIA operation known as Timber Sycamore, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timber_Sycamore which played such a large part in events in that complex country. Very far from being indifferent, the ‘West’ intervened powerfully and in my view very damagingly in Syrian affairs. I could also tell a tale about allegations of chemical warfare use, and the objections to them of conscientious non-political OPCW inspectors, which would take up many pages. If he wishes for a wider discussion of the West’s curious selective rage against Syria’s despotism, while cheerfully nurturing violent, cruel tyrannies in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Egypt etc, I am happy to engage in it. But perhaps some other time. In the meanwhile, I would once again urge any historian to apply caution before rushing to judgement.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 5 2023 22:53 utc | 32

Jen | Mar 5 2023 22:16 utc | 30
An interesting thing occurred one time. There is much socialism in aboriginal society. Everyone owns the land and so forth but one day the young blokes were trying to cut out a beehive (native bees). They weren’t so good with an axe so I asked them for it. With the honey exposed I stepped back. They said no it is mine as I had got it. Once I had a bit then offered it to them they all hooked in.
But the bigger aspect of socialism – Russia and China, both have gone through the ideological aspect of early ideological communism, and I think now a necessary phase. Most or at least many traditional social systems are socialist in many ways.
This Lolita express system we live in cannot stand against a world anchored in an understanding of human history.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Mar 5 2023 23:02 utc | 33

Posted by: Passerby | Mar 5 2023 18:16 utc | 14
Last time we were in Prague, I insisted on visiting Zizkov Tower, which was also used among other broadcasting and weather casting functions, to jam western television and radio signals.
Fascinating structure and surrounding neighborhood. The tower absolutely dominates the skyline and has a mixed reputation among the people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BDi%C5%BEkov_Television_Tower

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 5 2023 23:07 utc | 34

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 5 2023 21:50 utc | 29
I tend to stay away from the “great replacement” stuff over here in the U.S. But everything I’ve ever read about the “Kalergi Plan” says it’s a right-wing hoax based on a paragraph from some old book he wrote in which he describes the mixing of races in Europe (and by extension the world, I believe) that would result from the eventual migration of Africans and Middle Easterners to Europe. I think we’d be hard pressed to find any notion of it in actual European/EU decision making policy.
Screwed up thing is, even if it was a hoax, the US and NATO led wars on the ME almost seem an intentional plot to drive refugees to Europe. For example, large parts of Rome have roaming unemployed middle easterners, many of whom drink beer from tall cans all day and leave the trash on the sidewalks. There are also a good deal of southeast Asian refugees and a large number of Africans (who speak remarkably good English) are always outside the Coliseum hawking talismans of various types.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 5 2023 23:15 utc | 35

Peter AU1 | Mar 5 2023 22:43 utc | 31
Good to see your post. I’ve been aware of your absence.
Onya m8.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 5 2023 23:50 utc | 36

Celebrating Zhou Enlai born 125 years ago on 5th of March.
The life and legacy of Zhou Enlai: an interview with Professor Ken Hammond
From utoob channel Friends of Socialist China. Eighty six minutes in tagged chapters.
Communism lifts hundreds of millions from poverty and slavery through hard work, shared benefit and a collectively managed economy: The essence of communism.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 5 2023 23:51 utc | 37

If usurious capitalism applied these principles to discipline the capitalist market economy perhaps some good might come of it.
Otherwise the capitalist cycle of promise, theft, and impoverishment will continue.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 5 2023 23:55 utc | 38

Just curious: Snowdon is the correct spelling of the highest mountain in Wales. Does it mean that the last name of a person with first name Edward is misspelled, and b. corrected it in the title of his post?
BTW, “Berman” is probably a misspelled last name, perhaps because it was transliterated into Cyrillic and back. However, it is hard to figure if the original was Baermann, Biermann, Beermann and even Bergman (in Swedish pronounced very much like German).

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 6 2023 0:23 utc | 39

European Prize for the Chancellor
Accepting the award at the Federal Chancellery, Angela Merkel stressed the fact that it was an incentive to her to pursue her work for Europe.
She pointed to the greater European integration that the common currency has brought. “We will of course fight to ensure that this currency is strong, that it can hold its own on international markets, and that it goes hand in hand with a high level of competitiveness in the European Union and with social cohesion and a clear foundation of shared values.”
 Angela Merkel praised the consistent work of the European Society in fostering the European idea and the European unification process. 
 “Strong commitment”
 The European Society pointed to the strong commitment of the Chancellor and her interventions to reconcile divergent viewpoints in the drafting of the new European treaties of the European Union.
 They singled out in particular Angela Merkel’s crucially important contributions to ensuring stability and underpinning the future of the European project.
 Angela Merkel is the second German head of government (after Helmut Kohl who received the prize in 1990) to be awarded this prize.
The last time the European Prize was awarded in 2008, it went to the former Polish Foreign Minister and current Secretary of State in the Polish Government, Władysław Bartoszewski.
The European Prize is based on the vision of the diplomat, philosopher and publisher Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi.
His family had its roots in several European countries. In 1922 Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi founded the Paneuropean Union, the oldest European unification movement, which attracted illustrious members including Albert Einstein and Konrad Adenauer. For this, he is deemed the founder of the modern democratic vision of Europe.
The Coudenhove-Kalergi Foundation was established in 1978 by the Paneuropean Union to strengthen the vision of European unification.
In 2008 it became a society, with headquarters in Vienna.

https://www.bundeskanzler.de/bk-en/news/european-prize-for-the-chancellor-477196
The Foundation exists:
https://www.coudenhove-kalergi-society.eu/en/the-society/members/
Merkel won the prize:
https://www.coudenhove-kalergi-society.eu/en/laureates-of-the-european-prize/
As did:
2014   –  Jean-Claude Juncker
2016   –  Kenneth Clarke, britisches Parlamentsmitglied
And
2018 Himmlische Hundertschaft. [posthumous, Ukraine] A name I am unfamiliar with.
A “search engine of choice”….. well, lookie-cookie. Nothing in English, but I recognise “Maiden”. Translations reveal Himmlische Hundertschaft is “Celestial Hundred”, and a monument to: “more than one hundred people (who) were shot dead during demonstrations on the Maidan in February 2014.”
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 5 2023 23:15 utc | 35
…”Right Wing hoax?…(conspiracy theory)
All I know for certain now, is that most of the times something has been derided as a conspiracy “theory”…. Daaayum, a few years, a decade later… it’s actually a conspiracy fact. (One can buy a t-shirt with: “I need new conspiracy theories. All my old ones came true”… )
Like the Bilderberg Group stuff. I first heard about it in the 80s, but “knew” it was all nonsense.
And then, in the mid 2000s, I find it does actually exist. And there’s pics of Kissinger and Nixon and whoever and whoever on-site over the decades.
WEF was a conspiracy “theory”. Until I see the alumni from the “young leaders program”.
Whether or not Merkel was implementing the Kalergi Plan during her tenure as chancellor, she certainly did her part in taking Germany to the place it is now.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 6 2023 0:26 utc | 40

Seems Jen has a personal stalker-troll.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 6 2023 0:30 utc | 41

Melaleuca @ 42
I suspect you’re right.

Posted by: circumspect | Mar 6 2023 0:31 utc | 42

Our baloonacy, here in the extreme west, never runs out of gas. Are those containerized cargo cranes I see grousing like giant horses in the Port of Oakland, or maybe Chinese Trojan Horses?
https://www.rt.com/news/572510-us-port-cranes-china-spying/

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Mar 6 2023 1:06 utc | 43

Quite a few years ago I spent some time in Frankfurt with my then wife who was born there; as she hadn’t been in the town or even Germany since she left in her late teens, we spent a considerable amount of time looking up her family and former friends.
One afternoon we went to visit her closest school friend who was away at the time but the friend’s parents insisted that we come in and have dinner with them. The father who worked as a judge in the local (district I suppose) courts had impeccable english so while my partner spent a mob of time getting her german back in swing, I played pool with Dad and conversed with him, a great relief as I had spent several prior evenings with a glazed eyes & permanently fixed grin while intricate conversation conducted in fast german surrounded me.
Anyway somehow myself and ‘Dad’ got onto the issue of amerikan imperialism in Germany, as this was before the break-up of the Soviet Union and the roads around Frankfurt were chocka with amerikan military vehicles including the horrible sight of low-loaders carting huge battle tanks from A to B.
Initially the judge seemed quite surprised I had even noticed them but as we talked about it, it was apparent that he like most other Germans had simply got used to them, didn’t really notice then anymore.
I must stress that he was a particularly nice fellow and as the brandy bottle diminished I strove not to allow any tirades about Germany having exchanged one form of Fascism for another or that as a judge he was a natural enemy of a bloke such as myself who deplored the subjective way laws were applied to oppress particular groups or types. Looking back he was probably doing the same in his own way, I mean as far as I could tell in its attitude to women, money, poverty, Frankfurt was a fascist state.
My wife had fallen pregnant when she was sixteen and decided to have a termination, at the time, under Frankfurt (or rather Hesse that being the state Frankfurt is in) state law all terminations must include sterilisation which back in the early 70’s meant cutting a chunk outta each fallopian tube then cauterising the wounds to ensure that there could be no reconnection at a later date i.e. positively medieval. I guess at the time for a pregnant sixteen year old living on the streets that didn’t seem to be a big thing.
Anyway the judge told me quite a bit of his biography. He was 12 or 13 when the war ended and both parents were dead so he ended up in some sort of amerikan run school/orphanage where once they saw how smart he was academically he was given scholarships for a good education along with as I talked with him over a few hours was quite obviously a thorough pro-amerikan indoctrination.
From talking to the bloke about his friends & aquaintances it also was obvious that for his generation who happened to be the generation of Germans coming into or already in power, his case was not unusual.
The immediate ‘pre-boomer’ generation in Germany was ‘lead’ by many men and a few women who were also graduates of Marshall plan indoctrination and worst of all many of them saw that as a good thing.
Some parts were great, they had seen the horror of war and were determined Germany never repeat becoming a military state, they believed themselves to be anti-fascist but their extreme hatred for communism, even socialism as taught by amerika, did make them vulnerable to the sort of fascism that insists certain ‘types’ of women must be sterilised – if that isn’t fascistic I don’t know what is.
Of course many of the boomer generation rejected this tosh but because a nation state whose creation was via amerikan imperialism cannot shake that off without some type of revolution eg I’m not a student of the German constitution but given that many of the german government’s outward characteristics conform to the outward characteristics of the amerikan government, it is a hard sell to convince me that amerika didn’t construct a post-war nation state constitutionally beholden to amerika. That of itself goes a long way to explaining how amerika has managed to force its will on Germany vis-a-vis increased German militarisation, tolerance for the Nordstream vandalism etc.
However the fact that amerika has always sought to concentrate this appalling indoctrination on those they have chosen to be future leaders rather than the nation’s population as a whole, could lead to a necessary confrontation in Germany between the political & business classes versus the population over the next year or so.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Mar 6 2023 1:31 utc | 44

Peter AU1 #33

But the bigger aspect of socialism – Russia and China, both have gone through the ideological aspect of early ideological communism, and I think now a necessary phase. Most or at least many traditional social systems are socialist in many ways.

Indeed they are and that is borne out by current practices and archaeological discovery. Knowledge is a collectivist essential that has enabled human progress and survival whether that is mundane ability to flake spear points or the more subtle knowledge of seasonal metrics in food availability or weather patterns.
Torres Strait people read clouds and derive knowledge to forecast sea behaviour and predict safety of boat journeys between islands through sometimes treacherous currents that rage through those waters. This knowledge is specialised and the travellers seek weather and sea forecasts from the weathermen.
Desert journeys on mainland australia are planned with detailed knowledge of water ‘tanks’ sometimes depicted in modern aboriginal art stories. Collective knowledge and maps of collective survival needs. There are responsibilities for all community members to maintain these resources just as we accept responsibility to release older breeding fish back into the stream to ensure next season’s fingerlings.
Collective behavior got us here and collectivism moderates the tendency to selfish exploitation of resources if we can give it its due. The destruction of the forests by capitalist exploitation has not only ruined the rivers and forests but rendered farmlands to private hands to fence and clear for personal gain. This land capitalism sequesters the forest and riverine productivity of the land and depletes the availability of forest products for home building and so on. When colonisation ‘discovered the new world’ the forests were the first to be privatised for trade.
Collectivist societies that had age old tales, responsibilities and traditions of natural resource management were aghast at these mad concepts of privateering the joint responsibility of their world.
Capitalist mania as practiced by the west does not have sustainability as a core ethic and is an abomination to human survival and social development. Hence the hardcore capitalist’s hatred of communist ideology and practice. Mention land or resource taxes to a miner or refiner and they curl their lip in disgust and yet they are the first to demand subsidy for their plant and transport costs and protection from ‘unfair trade’.
So it goes.
I notice the sudden troll appearance to sidetrack the thread with childish jibes and uninformed idiocy. To be expected from the hegemon and its running dogs and ideologues.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2023 1:41 utc | 45

uncle tungsten | Mar 6 2023 1:41 utc | 46
Yes, the trolls have been unleashed because your words have become too effective. You are a threat to the hegemony. Because, you know, internet and stuff.

Posted by: the Hegemon | Mar 6 2023 1:53 utc | 46

Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 5 2023 23:15 utc | 35
Africans? Talismans? You never struck me racist before. Perhaps another impersonation troll…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 6 2023 2:09 utc | 47

@ uncle tungsten | Mar 5 2023 23:51 utc | 37
Regarding this interview with an American socialist researcher on “Joe” en Lai”: at Bandung in 1955 Joe spoke about Global South solidarity and mutual respect, but in 1962 the PRC fights physically with India and in 1971 it makes a (secret) deal with North’s leader the US of A: USSR can get lost.
The words of this CPC leader don’t match his actions at all, quite typical.

Posted by: Antonym | Mar 6 2023 2:13 utc | 48