Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
March 8, 2023
Nord Stream Attack – ‘Officials’ Throw More Chaff To Hide The Real Perpetrators

Right at the same moment the New York Times publishes a shoddy 'officials say' story about alleged intelligence about the Nord Stream terror attack the Germany weekly Die Zeit, which has strong U.S. secret services ties, comes up with an equally unbelievable tale of a 'Ukrainian owned' sailing boat playing the major role in the attack:

Nord-Stream-Ermittlungen: Spuren führen in die Ukraine
Ermittler haben das Boot identifiziert, von dem aus die Anschläge auf Nord Stream ausgeführt wurden. Offenbar wurde es von einer Firma gemietet, die Ukrainern gehört.

My translations:

Nord Stream investigation: Traces lead to Ukraine
Investigators have identified the boat from which the attacks on Nord Stream were carried out. Apparently, it was rented by a company owned by Ukrainians.

No, it is not the USS Kearsarge, the U.S. amphibious assault ship which 'trained' 'mine removals' near Bornholm island next to the pipelines just days before they blew up,  which the 'investigators' identified.

AZ @AZmilitary1 – 13:52 UTC · Sep 27, 2022

An expeditionary detachment of US Navy ships led by the universal amphibious assault ship USS Kearsarge days ago was in the Baltic Sea
It was 30 km from the site of the alleged sabotage on the Nord Stream-1 gas pipeline and 50 km from the threads of Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline


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The new claim is that some rather small yacht, which would not even be able to carry the necessary equipment to perform such a deed, was the main instrument in this:

Following joint research by [German main public TV news unit] (ARD's capital city studio), the ARD political magazine Kontraste, [German public TV] SWR and DIE ZEIT, it was possible to reconstruct to a large extent in the course of the investigation how and when the explosive attack was prepared. According to this, traces lead in the direction of Ukraine. However, investigators have so far found no evidence of who ordered the destruction.

Specifically, according to information from [these news sources], investigators have managed to identify the boat that was presumably used for the secret operation. It is said to be a yacht rented from a company based in Poland, apparently owned by two Ukrainians. The clandestine operation at sea is said to have been carried out by a team of six people, according to the investigation. It is said to have involved five men and one woman. According to the report, the group consisted of a captain, two divers, two diving assistants and a female doctor, who are said to have transported the explosives to the crime scenes and placed them there. The nationality of the perpetrators is apparently unclear. The assassins used professionally forged passports, which are said to have been used, among other things, to rent the boat.

According to the investigation, the commando set off from Rostock on September 6, 2022. The equipment for the clandestine operation was previously transported to the port in a van, it is said. In the further course, the investigators succeeded in locating the boat the following day again in Wieck (Darß) and later at the Danish island Christiansø, northeast of Bornholm, according to the research. The yacht was subsequently returned to the owner in uncleaned condition. On the table in the cabin, the investigators were able to detect traces of explosives, according to the research. According to information from [the mentioned news sources], a Western intelligence service is said to have sent a tip to European partner services as early as in the fall, i.e. shortly after the destruction, according to which a Ukrainian commando was responsible for the destruction. Thereafter, there have allegedly been further intelligence indications suggesting that a pro-Ukrainian group could be responsible.

No. You do not dive down to 80+ meter for an industrial size job, involving the placement of hundreds of pounds of explosives in eight individual charges on very sturdy pipelines, from a sparsely manned boat. Such deep dives require special gases, special breathing equipment, special training, a decompression chamber for emergencies and lots of well trained people to maintain all that stuff.

This is just more chaff thrown up to divert the attention from Seymour Hersh's revelations that the U.S. military, under order from the White House, carried out the sabotage act.

Gonzalo Lira @GonzaloLira1968 – 18:54 UTC · Mar 7, 2023

Just now, the German news site Zeitung is ALSO blaming the Ukraine for the Nord Stream pipeline bombing!
Coupled with The NY Times piece earlier today, this is clearly a coordinated misinformation campaign.
Was this why Olaf Schultz and Biden met?
Nord-Stream-Ermittlungen: Spuren führen in die Ukraine

Gonzalo Lira @GonzaloLira1968 – 5:21 UTC · Mar 8, 2023

Zelensky’s regime can deny its involvement in the Nord Stream pipeline terrorist attack all it wants—but it won’t matter.

Clearly, a very strong faction of the Deep State wants to blame UA so the West can pull out of the Ukraine disaster.

ft.com – Ukraine denies any involvement in Nordstream pipeline explosions

What we are seeing here is a disinformation campaign comparable to the Skripal 'poisoning' affair in Britain. Following that tens of 'officials say' news items were released that were each more illogical and unbelievable than the previous ones. The campaign was designed to flood the information space with so much nonsense that no one would be drawn back to the roots of the story (i.e. a UK turncoat asset getting violently silenced after he attempted to go back to Russia).

I am pretty sure that soon more will be released about the real perpetrators of the Nord Stream attack. This sudden throwing of 'officials say' chaff, a month after the Hersh story, is just an attempt to preemptively divert from it. 

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Following up.
I know nothing about pipes bigger than 2 1/2 inches.
But if you really want to blow up and halt Norstream, breaking it in one spot is pretty lame. Repair might be a simple new coupling, at least in reasonably small area.
To do real damage you would blow out a section of some size, then the repair is a new segment, attached at both ends. Two crews working underwater and so on.
So where am I going with this?
What are the physical results of this bombing, I know there were pictures early on, quite blurry due apparently to silt or whatever.
To get to the bottom of this we need information not opinions.

Posted by: jonku | Mar 9 2023 5:29 utc | 301

@ insidejob | Mar 9 2023 5:11 utc | 295
Go back and read what Norwegian wrote. He was in conversation with Marvin. You are quoting and arguing with Marvin, not Norwegian, who already made your points:

“You got it totally backwards. The purpose of 9/11 was to create a false casus belli to start a war OF terror, which has only increased until what we see today. None of the people who had a role or benefited in 911 were ever punished, but everybody else. I have spent countless ours studying this, my background is civil engineering and structural analysis. These people (911: Kagan, Ukraine: Nuland, and more) are the same.”

Posted by: suzan | Mar 9 2023 5:36 utc | 302

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 9 2023 5:14 utc | 296
It’s very simple. Prigozhin does a troll, raises a stink, in order to cover the next move Wagner wants to make. Throws the enemy off guard by implying that Wagner is having serious difficulties. This causes the Ukrainians to think, “may we should hang in there, we might win this yet.”
Then our concern trolls pick up on his (allegedly valid) “complaint” and start ranting about how the Russian General Staff is fucked up, Russia is incompetent, blah, blah, blah. They’re too dumb, or more likely don’t care, that his complaint wasn’t valid or even real in the first place. For this, they deserve condemnation from the bar.
Then Wagner, having fixed the enemy in position due to over-confidence, makes another push forward and trashes more Ukrainians than they might have if the Ukrainians were waffling over retreating instead of standing fast (Zelensky orders notwithstanding).
Posted by: suzan | Mar 9 2023 5:20 utc | 299
Exactly. Prigozhin’s trolling is a deception operation. Of course, he might also be using it to tweak the Russian General Staff on the side for various personal reasons. Nothing precludes both options being true.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 9 2023 5:37 utc | 303

@ Richard Steven Hack | Mar 9 2023 5:37 utc | 303
Good grief, calm down, was featherweight trolling. /s 🙂
@ suzan | Mar 9 2023 5:20 utc | 299
One finds his smarter, less well known, nor favored, younger sister, succinct & concise.

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 9 2023 5:46 utc | 304

Who was behind the Skripal fairy tale? The White Helmets? Syrian gas attacks? Bellingcat? That massive disinformation organization that was exposed a year or so ago? The Brits were training Ukrainians in “military diving” since 2020. Sputnik is saying that the CIA warned Germany months in advance that ‘some Ukrainians’ might be planning to blow up the pipelines. I think this whole story was concocted long before the sabotage by MI6 and the CIA as the cover for the act itself. Perhaps ‘the Ukrainians’ even participated in the actual work – beyond the patsy BS the NYTimes put out.

Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 9 2023 5:48 utc | 305

@Mr. House | Mar 8 2023 22:05 utc | 222
Excellent post, many thanks!

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 9 2023 6:34 utc | 306

@Golddiggr | Mar 8 2023 22:48 utc | 235

Dolphins are not too common in the Baltic sea.

But the population of seals is growing. So a particular subspecies was likely involved.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 9 2023 6:49 utc | 307

@Jo | Mar 8 2023 23:15 utc | 241

If Norway has the two charges in possession they could of course produce them and their investigation info to prove it was the private operation by Ukies and thus clear their own name and USA.
Or are the two still down there and identifiable…..

Have you looked at a map recently or are you US American by any chance?

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 9 2023 6:54 utc | 308

It was Gilligan

Posted by: Frappe | Mar 9 2023 7:07 utc | 309

It really sucks when shoddy “officials say” stories get in the way of your shoddy “official says” story.

Posted by: Old Fart Legion | Mar 9 2023 7:21 utc | 310

I came across a tweet showing the leader of the pro-Ukrainian group that blew up Nordstream:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1490792461979078662

Posted by: Herman | Mar 9 2023 7:21 utc | 311

New claim: Renegade Russian trained dolphins were used to plant the bomb. They’d been genetically engineered and cybernetically augmented to survive those depths. They were paid in fish so there is no money trail.
American militarized dolphins all have alibis, so that’s that.
Fa Love Pa (Day Of The Dolphin, 1974)
https://youtu.be/6GcspOEswYM

Posted by: Babel-17 | Mar 9 2023 7:35 utc | 312

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 9 2023 5:46 utc | 304
I’m calm, it’s just your “Yoda” verbiage tends to confuse. 🙂 So I want to make sure everyone else gets the picture.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 9 2023 7:52 utc | 313

On his Twitter account, b linked to a tweet by Ray McGovern. I clicked to McGovern’s website and was reading his latest, “Despair and Joy in Germany” by Victor Grossman (a Must-read notes McGovern), when I came to this passage:
“But many also insisted that Kyiv’s big planned attack on the Donbas, the numerous maneuvers all around Russian ports and borders, a secret CIA intensive training program in 2015 for elite Ukrainian special operations forces, had made it unavoidable, that these were part of a trap – which Russia either fell into or was forced to fall into, as in Afghanistan in 1979.”
Seems relevant to this thread’s topic?
https://raymcgovern.com/2023/03/01/despair-and-joy-in-germany/

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Mar 9 2023 7:53 utc | 314

jonku | Mar 9 2023 5:29 utc | 300
The segment blown out was supposed to be about 100 meters long. Which presupposes that there were TWO explosive charges for each breach, placed relatively far apart?
(Repost) of the segements thrown about 150 or 200 meters away. LOTS of explosive.
Wall street Journal “article spoke of 2 explosions and each with a force of 1100 pounds of TNT = 1100kg = 1.1 tons.”
Size, The pipeline being welded.
https://twitter.com/MichaKobs/status/1633194253831602181/photo/1
Camera, Ground scene
https://twitter.com/MichaKobs/status/1633191748976476160/photo/1
Animation with photos added
https://twitter.com/MichaKobs/status/1633192671962382339?cxt=HHwWhoC24aCFoqotAAAA
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I like the idea that it that it was the “original planned excuse” that they have now brought out of retirement.
Thanks to the pessimist | Mar 9 2023 5:48 utc | 305

Posted by: Stonebird | Mar 9 2023 7:56 utc | 315

re jonku | Mar 9 2023 5:29 utc | who said “What are the physical results of this bombing, I know there were pictures early on, quite blurry due apparently to silt or whatever.”
About 72 hours ago in Slavyangrad chat someone posted 2or 3 photos of the damage to Nordstream pipelines. Each pipeline hit had two charges placed on them about 100 feet apart, the explosive ripped through the thick concrete cladding and threw one section of pipeline quite some distance from the pipeline, the other pipeline shown had sheared at one part but not quite at the other leaving the 100 feet of pipe at right angles to the line on the ground pointing up to the surface. This was no amateur hour done from a yacht. Several tonnes of HE must have been used to do this damage.
Incidentally further to what I posted earlier today about the cover story being a weak arsed facsimile of the rainbow warrior bombing 40 years ago, the BBC ‘coincidentally’ ran a 3 part doco on that bombing last week. Special so that derps would make the connection & regard the tosh about pro-ukies on a yacht be SOP when that story about nordstream came out this week.
The fact that Rainbow warrior required a dive to all of 10 feet and the french secret service were caught won’t occur to those who want to believe.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Mar 9 2023 8:01 utc | 316

One additional quote, further to my @ 314
Does the CEO of Rheinmetall own a yacht?
“Above all, the CEOs at Lockheed, Northrup, Raytheon, at Rheinmetall, Exxon Mobil and Chevron could then no longer rub their hands quite so gleefully or buy quite so many yachts, jets or mansions.”

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Mar 9 2023 8:03 utc | 317

“- The Germans are going to use the terrorist attack against their infrastructure as the excuse to pull out of the Ukraine project. Olaf Scholtz went to the US to tell Biden: Either YOU blame Ukraine so we can pull our support for Ukraine—or WE blame YOU and pull out of NATO.”
Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 8 2023 22:05 utc | 223
I don’t know what Lira is basing this on, but there is no sign at all that Germany might pull its support of Ukraine. As someone else already mentioned, that charade masquerading as a news story explicitely doesn’t tie the six alleged perpetrators to Zelensky or his government. Moreover, Scholz would need to get rid of at least half his government, especially the Greens, which is not going to happen.
It is much more likely that Scholz told Biden something like this: “Hey Joe, I need something to cover my sorry ass after that Hersh story, otherwise I’ll be in big trouble eventually. Gimme some backup and in return I’ll push your sanctions against China. Deal?”

Posted by: Tlaloc | Mar 9 2023 8:55 utc | 318

Scott Ritter: The conflict is in its final stages. One of the Russian strategies is to pulverize Ukraine’s armed forces, and a key component of this process is the destruction of logistics.
The US will not fight in Ukraine to save you, because let me give everyone a hint: we don’t care about Ukraine. A year has passed since the beginning of this conflict. More than 300,000 dead Ukrainians, a million displaced, a trillion dollars in infrastructure. And all because our mission is not to help the Ukrainian people, but our mission is to use Ukraine as a middleman to overthrow the Russian government.
There will come a time when they will not be able to fight back. And at that moment, with the kind of firepower that Russia is deploying, there will be great suffering among Ukrainian troops. We know that Ukraine will run out of artillery ammunition sometime this summer. And nobody can do anything about it. And that, combined with the relentless pressure that Russia is exerting on Ukrainian troops across the battlefield.
Now everyone is focused on Bakhmut, but in fact the Russians are pushing everywhere. There is a high possibility that Ukraine will double the number of deaths before it’s all over. So we’re talking about 300,000 dead, when it’s over it could be 600,000 or more. It’s pretty doable.

Posted by: mo3 | Mar 9 2023 9:16 utc | 319

Each pipeline cut involves two charges of 200 kg (440 pounds) or 880 pounds per cut. Three known cuts equals 2,640 pounds of explosives.
The pipelines were trenched but the trench was not immediately backfilled. It was left to nature and marine scour to fill in the trench. It is therefore reasonable to presume there were sections of the pipelines which had minimal amounts of cover and these locations were known as the pipelines underwent annual physical inspection.
Put six Ukrainians in a 30 foot yacht with 2 tons of C4 sitting on top of the galley table with a one ton hyperbaric chamber hidden under the table, not to mention multiple storage tanks for heli-ox mixture (pressure vessels are impressively heavy) and add in another few tons of dolphin feed and you have the makings of an improbable story that only the NYT would print.
Factor in the fact that there is near zero light penetration at depth and the divers would need to supply their own illumination (batteries, a generator, generator fuel) and sophisticated navigation gear (I doubt GPS signals penetrate to depth) and the electronics cabinet to house all of this gear (plus the additional generator load and associated fuel requirements) and one is reminded of a line in another work of fiction: “You are going to need a bigger boat.”
I have no idea of the currents in the area but any degree of current doubles or triples a diver’s workload (and I have been engaged on multiple searches for recreational divers carried away by marine currents never to be seen again).
None of this fable makes sense. What does make sense is the use of one or more underwater ROV’s manipulated by operators at the surface aboard a much larger vessel, one better equipped to provide the necessary support functions. Something the size of the USN Kearsage would be appropriate and a NATO “De-mining exercise” would provide reasonable cover.
The story at this link describes exactly such an ROV being found on the pipeline back in 2015.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/09/whodunnit-facts-related-to-the-sabotage-attack-on-the-nord-stream-pipelines.html

Posted by: Sushi | Mar 9 2023 9:43 utc | 320

first:
at moa September 28, 2022 b gave a extensive summary about the nordstream sabotage
about “… the Germany weekly Die Zeit..”
the last Paragraph in this piece

Der ukrainische Präsidentenberater Mychajlo Podoljak teilte in einer Stellungnahme an das ARD-Hauptstadtstudio, Kontraste, SWR und die ZEIT mit, die Ukraine habe “natürlich nichts mit den Angriffen auf Nord Stream-2 zu tun”. Es gebe “keine Bestätigung dafür, dass ukrainische Beamte oder das Militär an dieser Operation teilgenommen haben oder Personen entsandt wurden, die in ihrem Namen handeln”. Denkbar sei, dass Russland dahinterstecke. “Es gibt viel mehr Motive und viel mehr Einsatzmöglichkeiten in diesem Szenario”, so Podoljak.

elegantly points to a well-known motto —> russia did it

Posted by: ghiwen | Mar 9 2023 9:45 utc | 321

That country is prepared to blow up its own towers, invade and destroy other countries at will. Drop the MOAB on caves just to see what happens. The VP can boast openly about removing a prosecutor for a billion dollars of aid. Threaten NS2 will not happen. Scholtz is in all likelihood as terrified as Zelensky of being taken out or exposed for some past crime. He is also a weak puppet. He may be praying that Russia wins quickly.

Posted by: Inki | Mar 9 2023 10:54 utc | 322

With the NS explosions, if we follow the money trail all links lead back to WAS DC. It is pure economics.
Ever since NS1 & 2 (NSs) construction, the Ukrainian lobbyist in DC have been hard at work bombarding Congress more than any other lobby group with thousands of communications about how NSs would economically impact Ukraine’s national income/profit.
Now, the RUS pipelines running through Ukraine historically have been a point of tension btw the three countries (Russia-Ukraine w/ US). Russians’ accusations were and are exchanged about Ukraine stealing/withholding/ hijacking contracts by demanding increases in the transit fees and etc. Interesting the RUS are most likely still paying transit fees to UKR, yes even during war time. NSs were the Russian’s solution to rid the dependency on the transit pipelines through Ukraine and remove the inconvenience of doing business with the Ukrainian government that is controlled by WAS DC. NSs were an opportunity for Germany to secure her future and a chance to be a gas transit country. (Look at the reality of today without NSs-US gas companies are raking in record breaking profits and Germany bearing the most political/economical pain).
Who owns the transit pipelines in Ukraine? They used to be nationalized but not anymore. Here you will find the direct links back to WAS DC and the pres’s son and family and the other neocons (dems and reps alike-they get along quite well when it comes to splitting the pie and making a profit). How about that lawyer that represents Zelensky for US? He sure is busy with PR for his actor/president and the weekly visits to Cookie and Co at the state dep. NSs threaten this income for those who now own the Ukrainian transit pipelines. Zelensky also contributes to the Democratic party……….are they circling back the funds?
This example is one of many how big businesses use special ops of US armed forces to benefit themselves. Nothing personal but there is big money involved and it has nothing to do with the Ukrainian and Russian people only pure greed from WAS DC-protecting the interest of the elite at the taxpayers’ expense and safety.
The Congress few know the truth and just everyone right now is afraid of getting his/her/their/its hands caught in the cookie jar. In the pack of wolves, what we are witnessing is the wolves are fighting each other therefore, the ridiculous articles about the NSs are showing up to muddy the waters and stir up the public. The question is: Who will be the sacrificial wolf/wolves?
And the American people, well time to start thinking for yourselves, perhaps ask yourself is POTUS and Cookie and Co truly representing your values and beliefs by supporting the ultra right movement in Ukraine. Cookie’s husband, the mad political scientist of our day, she follows his manic ideas of causing problems in South East of Europe (Ukraine) to pursue the neocons’ interests. She has blood on her hands and by all means can be considered a war criminal. That is another topic worth addressing and discussing.

Posted by: amongus | Mar 9 2023 11:01 utc | 323

Posted by: Dalit | Mar 9 2023 0:10 utc | 248
Note that despite this incorrect statement he correctly quotes the pressure at 100 meters.

Posted by: RB | Mar 9 2023 11:16 utc | 324

6 guys, 1 boat is the 2023 version of 2 girls, 1 cup. An attractive display for the alternatively gifted and a macabre spectacle for everyone else.

Posted by: Skiffer | Mar 9 2023 11:27 utc | 325

https://strategic-culture.org/news/2023/03/08/making-snow-black/
The infamous Carl Rove (we shall not bother with an explanatory note, whoever remembers this cowboy and is still interested may look him up) twenty and some years ago articulated the gist of the empire’s swaggering ideology:
“We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors… and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Mar 9 2023 11:34 utc | 326

Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Mar 9 2023 11:34 utc | 326
He was right. He gave an accurate description of the state of affairs in the world. Except now Russia and China and many other nations are doing the same thing. They’re creating a new reality that will clash with the Empire’s. In Star Wars terms, we’re at Episode IV – A New Hope. Next comes “The Empire Strikes Back” – which probably means WWIII – unless someone can pull off “Return of the Jedi” which I view as problematic.
BTW, his first name is spelled with a K.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 9 2023 12:05 utc | 327

What is it they say? They think we are idiots. Because they certainly are. Of more import is the fact that Ukraine is being thrown under the bus. How long before the US packs up and walks away?

Posted by: Paulymx | Mar 9 2023 12:10 utc | 328

How long before the US packs up and walks away?
Posted by: Paulymx | Mar 9 2023 12:10 utc | 328
By June, I would say. If the creek don’t rise or anything. “Biden” really needs to get re-elected. He is throwing around wild talk about saving Medicare and taxing the rich.

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 9 2023 12:15 utc | 329

https://www.kp.ru/daily/27475/4730887/
– Hundreds of large Chinese clients stopped keeping their money in Swiss banks after it abandoned neutrality and imposed sanctions against Russia.

Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Mar 9 2023 12:16 utc | 330

In financial circles there is talk of the collapse of the Swiss banks, but this is also a topic that is avoided in the media

Posted by: mo3 | Mar 9 2023 12:46 utc | 331

I enjoyed Dmitri Medvedev’s delicious comment on the nonsense (translated by RT)

“blatant low-rating B movie stuff. Six hardened saboteurs, with a lady among them, a femme fatale (how can there be a movie without one?) went out on a yacht into the stormy Baltic Sea. They took half a ton of explosives on board and performed a beautiful dive. And then they blew up two huge pipes at the bottom, before disappearing into the sunset. Unspotted by anybody. In the sea, full of NATO ships and international surveillance systems. They also returned the yacht to the owner, being brutal, but also law-abiding.”

Posted by: cirsium | Mar 9 2023 14:03 utc | 332

Posted by: cirsium | Mar 9 2023 14:03 utc | 332
Tom Cruise, Scarlett Johansson, Jason Statham, Alan Ritchson, Scott Eastwood, Walton Goggins…….

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 9 2023 14:12 utc | 333

Posted by: mo3 | Mar 9 2023 12:46 utc | 331
Credit-Suisse is accident prone and will be nationalised……..otherwise Chinese depositors are wary of involvement with any banks subject to US Diktat and confiscation of assets………
I doubt Swiss banks as a category are as fragile as German or Italian or French or Austrian banks

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 9 2023 14:14 utc | 334

The empire of Lies. Non-stop lies and deception, deceit. Every day, all day. 7×24.Whatever they state publicly is not true, and 95% of the time projection of their own deeds onto others. They are depraved and insane.

Posted by: JustTruth | Mar 9 2023 14:25 utc | 335

Richard Steven Hack | Mar 9 2023 3:22 utc | 272
Level 1) SNAFU Situation Normal All Fucked Up.
Level 2) TARFU Things are really fucked up.
Level 3) FUBAR Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition.
Level 4) BOHICA Bend Over Here it Comes Again.
———————————————–
my alltime favorite: FUGAZI, no Level just Fucked Up Zituation in the Waiting Room

Posted by: theresamarquesa | Mar 9 2023 14:27 utc | 336

I doubt Swiss banks as a category are as fragile as German or Italian or French or Austrian banks
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 9 2023 14:14 utc | 334

Swiss, German, Italian, French or Austrian does not matter among dominoes. 🙂

Posted by: Nobody | Mar 9 2023 14:33 utc | 337

There’s an app that can digitally age you.
Jurassic animation on dinosaurs was done with analogue technology. So I’d like to squeeze him somewhere painful before believing Biden is a real person.

Posted by: Giyane | Mar 9 2023 14:48 utc | 338

“The rules are simple, they lie to us, we know they’re lying, they know we know they’re lying, but they keep lying to us and we keep pretending to believe them.”
~ Elena Gorokhova

Posted by: Sanctions R US | Mar 9 2023 14:51 utc | 339

A nuclear response is in order. Ukraine shouldn’t be allowed to attack civilian infrastructure away from war zone and get away. Hiroshima!

Posted by: Jason | Mar 9 2023 14:58 utc | 340

@ Paul Greenwood | Mar 9 2023 14:14 utc | 334

The SNB lost 2/3 of its Eigenkapital last year. By charter they are not allowed to invest within the country.

Posted by: too scents | Mar 9 2023 14:58 utc | 341

Sushi | Mar 9 2023 9:43 utc | 320
The UK was training and provided Ukraine with ROV submersibles during the summer of 2022.
You may want to look at my post 292.

Posted by: Jerr008 | Mar 9 2023 15:02 utc | 342

Why waste so much energy on peripheral false stories, such as this stupid one? Analyzing and being trapped in minutia? Such as bars, water pressure, yayyyy…They threw you another bone of contention.And you obey.
The situation is monumental: the war between the west and the rest of the earth inhabitants, the painful birth of the new system ( presumably fair) which is happening against the ,rule based order, imposed by the west on the rest of planet ( steal asd much as you can).
At the same time we have old nazy Schwab plan for the earth.Davos ( promoted by the shrinking west).
.
It will not work, and thank you b for your site

Posted by: stranger | Mar 9 2023 15:17 utc | 343

I doubt Swiss banks as a category are as fragile as German or Italian or French or Austrian banks
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 9 2023 14:14 utc | 334
Banks commonly make money by borrowing money short term and loaning out money long term. If depositors start pulling money out of a bank, the bank can not quickly reduce the size of loan portfolio. Even if the bank is otherwise sound, the result will be a liquidity crises. The bank will not be able to raise the money quickly enough to pay the depositors as they pull their money out. All banks are at risk of this happening. The only workable cure for this is for the government to provide the needed liquidity. It should be done in a way that is punishing enough that the management and stockholders will do what they can to avoid what should be a government takeover of the bank, not just a bailout.

Posted by: Jmaas | Mar 9 2023 15:43 utc | 344

@ Jmaas | Mar 9 2023 15:43 utc | 346

Banking in Switzerland works a little differently than you might be familiar with. Because of the Federalized nature of the country Cantonal Banks exists to service the municipal needs of the various cantons and draw their income from servicing costs.
The cantonal banks co-exist and are separate from the private banks.

Posted by: too scents | Mar 9 2023 15:49 utc | 345

@insidejob | Mar 9 2023 5:11 utc | 295

Norwegian Mar 8 2023 10:58 said: Our answer to 9/11 was the war on terror. We punished not only Bin Laden and his ilk, but everybody who might have had a role in those crimes or benefited from them.
What a joke.

I said the exact opposite. Go read again. Why is it so difficult to cite properly?

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 9 2023 15:55 utc | 346

@suzan | Mar 9 2023 5:36 utc | 304
Thank you! Good to see some people can still read!

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 9 2023 15:57 utc | 347

A gedunk amateur op from a “pro-Ukrainian group” yacht? Risible … this was a professional op, non-pareil…

Posted by: Miramar154 | Mar 9 2023 18:25 utc | 348

Richard Steven Hack; neo-cons are just weapons peddlers, they’re just the salesmen for Raytheon, Northrup and the sisters; you think this is about people or ideologies? You’re always looking for the final solution, the “end” of problems; get that teleological thinking out of you head. Defund the Pentagon, that will help

Posted by: scottindallas | Mar 9 2023 18:32 utc | 349

Just a kind comment and question here – how do I know if someone’s responding to my post or elsewise. Just asking. For the record, I’m older, from and live in Alabama, and I don’t mind a tincture here and there.

Posted by: Miramar154 | Mar 9 2023 19:07 utc | 350

@ Miramar154 | Mar 9 2023 19:07 utc | 352 asking about MoA protocol when responding to others comments
Do what I just did or whatever your morals encourage you to do….its good to include the timestamp for when b deletes some troll comments and all the numbers change but the timestamps stay the same

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 9 2023 19:43 utc | 351

Thanks for the rapid feedback. I’m just checking the site out and am not a troll, whatever that is. Best.

Posted by: Miramar154 | Mar 9 2023 20:04 utc | 352

hmmm…only explosive residue on the table which is easily wiped of course and easily stuff planted back onto it no residue on the floor ..seating..elsewheres as the table would be used to eat on and explosives stored elsewhere? No CCtv of yacht and persons at dock going and returning…yacht being stocked up…no cell phone location evidence…no radio evidence from and to yacht and between crew and divers..location evidence of yachts navigation and sailing….is the anchor chain long enough to hold position….seabed residue on anchor to match….any static yacht over pipelines surely would be on Baltics civilian and military radar systems recordings…any satellite footage…evidence of diving equipment
.etc etc???????. Without such total complete forensic evidence-and actually has that been done- its all fantasy.

Posted by: Jo | Mar 9 2023 21:13 utc | 353

scottindallas | Mar 9 2023 18:32 utc | 351
Until they write a paper announcing they are the masters of the Universe and then start breaking stuff. They have an old ideology that really needs to be excised from this planet. Defunding pentagon is a start…

Posted by: Azscout | Mar 9 2023 21:44 utc | 354

@293 Richard Steven Hack | Mar 9 2023 4:52 utc
I get that. I was going to leave a note to you to that effect, after I had better read and absorbed your meaning, but it was late. Agreed all around.
Still good to unpack further because there’s a lot of meat in that condensed soup. I suspect one can count on you to restate it to any future concern trolling that may occur 😉

Posted by: Grieved | Mar 9 2023 23:53 utc | 355

Posted by: Jerr008 | Mar 9 2023 15:02 utc | 344
My present opinion is that the references to “six Ukrainians,” and a “yacht,” are deliberate attempts at obfuscation concealing the true culprits.
The Guardian article is likely correct. It states:

The lightweight autonomous vehicles can be used in shallow coastal environments and are designed to operate at depths of up to 100 metres to detect, locate and identify mines through the use of a series of sensors.

Detection, location, and identification are a set of capabilities very different from the range of capabilities and support equipment required to place a minimum of six quarter ton underwater demolition charges.
The pipeline owner conducted its own survey and reported as follows:

According to preliminary results of the damage site inspection, technogenic craters with a depth of 3 to 5 meters were found on the seabed at a distance of about 248 m from each other. The section of the pipe between the craters is destroyed, the radius of pipe fragments dispersion is at least 250 m. Experts continue to analyse the survey data.

SOURCE:
https://www.nord-stream.com/press-info/press-releases/incident-on-the-nord-stream-pipeline-updated-14112022-529/
That damage required a lot of “bang.” The engineering skills needed to determine the optimum size of charge, the compound to be used, the charge placement, and the design of a reliable remote trigger, are significant.
I do not believe there were any divers. This operation required a level of technical expertise unlikely to be imparted in a 3 month RN course. I was on a tough 3 month navy clearance diving course and that simply delivered a very basic level of operational expertise. It was basically advanced SCUBA with flash-bangs and underwater self defence.
I believe the only organization with the requisite degree of expertise and the associated range of support equipment is the US armed forces. The USN has the submarine capacity and has employed similar skills previously (see IVY BELLS related equipment here:
http://www.hisutton.com/Secret%20Sub%20-%20USS%20Halibut.html )
IVY BELLS did use divers but having knowledge of underwater ROV technology as used in the offshore oil industry, I believe the Nord Stream operation was performed using ROVs to place the charges with no dive personnel being exposed to hazard. The fact the Swedes captured an ROV on the pipeline in 2015 suggests a concerned state party was examining the prospect of an attack on the pipelines shortly after the 2014 coup in 404.
In summary, the US did it and presently seek to obfuscate that fact and pin the blame on other parties.

Posted by: Sushi | Mar 10 2023 0:18 utc | 356

What is the big waste of time everybody and their Uncle Harry knows US scumbags did it.

Posted by: Lou Cypher | Mar 10 2023 0:32 utc | 357

instead of trying to disassemble the logic behind poor West media disinformation, I am raither interested to find who is behind Hersh and why they decided to publish this story long time after the incident.

Posted by: asehi | Mar 10 2023 0:49 utc | 358

@Sushi | Mar 10 2023 0:18 utc | 358
Fascinating, thanks! I tend to agree with your conclusions.

Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 10 2023 4:39 utc | 359

Here’s a picture of the incriminated yacht:
https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1633924515012001795/ZT7eXvlx?format=jpg&name=small
Naive questions arise: is it possible to put one metric ton of explosives underdeck here (in addition to six people)? Or did they put it on deck? Notwithstanding stability problems.

Posted by: mk | Mar 10 2023 8:37 utc | 360

mk @362: “…is it possible to put one metric ton of explosives underdeck here (in addition to six people)? Or did they put it on deck?”
Don’t forget to add in a few tons worth of compressed gas cylinders. Nobody dives to 90m with just regular compressed air (`cuz nitrogen narcosis) so they would have to bring tanks of helium and oxygen to recharge their heliox bottles. Even with heliox the two divers would only have a few minutes of bottom time, so they would need to make many trips up and down, or bring a whole bunch of replacement gas bottles… and even then bottom time is very limited.
As well, it starts getting relatively dark at 100m down, depending upon clarity of the water, and I am told the clarity of the Baltic is shit (visibility on the very best of days of 25m). The divers would almost certainly need work lights, and those would be powered by a generator on the yacht, and the power would be delivered to the work sites by a big spool of cable on the boat. Note too that those work lights won’t be the kind you can buy at the local Walmart.
Even disregarding the explosives themselves, the yacht would be overloaded with equipment.
This terrorists-on-a-yacht fairy tale is as farcical as if they had claimed the terrorists operated from kayaks. The authors of that nonsense must be laughing their asses off over anyone at all being stupid enough to take it seriously.
Spook #1: “We can’t say the operation was carried out from a yacht!”
Spook #2: “Nah, it’ll be fine! They’re all stupid enough to believe it.”

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 10 2023 13:43 utc | 361

@ Sushi | Mar 9 2023 9:43 utc | 322 and later posts and many others.
Thanks for that it saves me having to brag about my padi based deep diving experience on a rather larger yacht to a hundred meters – not really allowed but the instructors like to have a end of season jolly …far from the normal dive sites … I won’t elaborate further.
It’s a fast descent on a weighted line , totally dark and then an immediate slow ascent to the surface with extra tanks to avoid the bends.
There is no time to hang about down there doing ‘stuff’ and yes it’s cold even in tropical waters.
Of course there may have been a team that was used to go down and physically ‘prime the fuse’ or something, of the explosives which had already been planted previously or inspect that all was well …
But the actual planting of the mines and leaving an anchored line to zip down on with a motorised drone would have required the works as described by Hersh and as you lay out. Hersh probably has a lot more detail to reveal!
If people recall , wasn’t the boss or some senior exec of the construction company that built the nordstream involved in a mysterious death and plane crash in the Baltic, just weeks previously to the detonations? Or have I got confused with something else.
Scoobydoo would have revealed the villains in half an hour of gentle comedic investigation!
The only fools are the MonoCulturedMassMedia consumers who are no better than a gaggle of geese that line up to be force fed corn to fatten their livers up… but that’s the start of another comment, so will leave it here.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 10 2023 13:44 utc | 362

@ DunGroanin | Mar 10 2023 13:44 utc | 364
Scoobydoo would have revealed the villains in half an hour of gentle comedic investigation! Yup, & he did too. (IMG)

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 10 2023 13:54 utc | 363

Mar 10 2023 13:43 utc | 363
your must remind yourself that the audience of the yacht/pro ukrinazi perpetrators tale also believe biden and his neocon advisors are saving “our democracy” from a bunch of deplorables who vote for the orangeman!
their “our democracy” is a fable, too!
cognitive dissonance is strong in them.

Posted by: paddy | Mar 10 2023 14:04 utc | 364

The sailboat angle aside, the story is obviously bunk. On one side of the mouth it is suggested that the perps are not intelligence or military connected. Out of the other it claims they don’t know exactly who the perps are. You see it is a mystery, this shadowy group…they don’t know who they are therefore they can eliminate all the likely suspects…that doesn’t add up to me.

Posted by: GS | Mar 10 2023 14:28 utc | 365

In response to all the drunken griping about the lunacy of the Nord Stream sabotage narrative:
The function of press is not necessarily to make the public believe in something in particular. Whether a press report is true or not isn’t the point.
The function of official stories is to set evidentiary bounds under law, where if you want policy to go from A to B, a road of official information must be paved to get you there. The ultimate truth is not discovered, it’s a product.
The NYT Nord Stream story is a clumsy but necessary step in road building for U.S. policy.
Takeaways:
Differences are split in accounts to give a shield against fallout from the Hersh trolling. What Hersh offered was a pure appeal to authority, so the degree of matching authority can be at any official level: “German officials said” There is now a public counter narrative equal to Hersh and it is receiving full throated support from “trusted” news outlets like Guardian.
This counter narrative provides effective distancing of White House from sabotage events. Regardless of what is discovered in the future, repercussions will be sorted out according to mind-numbing details of the legal definition of culpability and official investigative accounts. There’s now an official account from the western interest that was most affected which steers culpability away from U.S. officials.
Ukraine itself is officially dragooned: Uke’s ongoing disaster is of their own making, with failure due to problems of herds of cats; the U.S. is everything in its power under law but Ukraine misstepped in its zeal and inability to maintain a line. An unfortunate hazard of war. Ukraine is now officially both the victim and perpetrator of its condition living and dying by the sword.
By conducting a sham investigation, Germany demonstrates it accepts the penalty of its energy woes for to getting into bed with the wrong providers. Partnership with Russian firms has been kiboshed. Diligence on causes for collapse of partnership is done, so it can be put behind German people. Behind the scenes, we should guess that a new balance of power re Europe energy dependencies is being sorted out. (Hunter Biden is in there somewhere if only via sinecure for access to power.)
Key doubts are planted in minds of U.S. public: shadowy networks of rogue actors, plans within plans, flags of falseness; the evidentiary landscape is polluted so there’s no hope of finding clear light of day for understanding.
Rogue journalist is further marginalized as a kook. Fighting Hersh with a garbage counter narrative works because he’s already weak with old age and isolated. Who is history going to believe?
Reality Based Community:
//The aide said that guys like me were ‘in what we call the reality-based community,’ which he defined as people who ‘believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.’ […] ‘That’s not the way the world really works anymore,’ he continued. ‘We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do’.[2]//
And Greeting drunkards! Have another one on me.

Posted by: Arrnon | Mar 10 2023 17:50 utc | 366

William Gruff | Mar 10 2023 13:43 utc | 361
“This terrorists-on-a-yacht fairy tale is as farcical as if they had claimed the terrorists operated from kayaks.”
Sound, self-evident logic in your comment. As fairy tales go, I hadn’t even considered the kayak angle before. Porpoises, dolphins, sure, who hasn’t? Although it would require a conspicuous fleet of them, kayaks could’ve been purchased outright in cash and then scuttled afterward without a trace. That’s a pretty big advantage.
As it turned out, cargo and budget constraints forced them to rent, not purchase, a single yacht. And apparently, they also declined liability insurance. That meant it couldn’t be scuttled afterward in deep water; it had to be returned. Due to an unfortunate oversight, however, the cleaning deposit was lost. In an otherwise meticulously planned operation, these unforeseeable flaws provided discrete clues for keen Western intelligence analysts in their characteristically dogged pursuit of truth.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Mar 10 2023 18:09 utc | 367

Dmytro Kuleba: “Russian victory will ruin everything the West stands for”
https://www.newstatesman.com/
Exactly, and that’s what this world badly needs.

Posted by: digital dinosaur | Mar 12 2023 2:59 utc | 368