Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
March 8, 2023
Nord Stream Attack – ‘Officials’ Throw More Chaff To Hide The Real Perpetrators

Right at the same moment the New York Times publishes a shoddy 'officials say' story about alleged intelligence about the Nord Stream terror attack the Germany weekly Die Zeit, which has strong U.S. secret services ties, comes up with an equally unbelievable tale of a 'Ukrainian owned' sailing boat playing the major role in the attack:

Nord-Stream-Ermittlungen: Spuren führen in die Ukraine
Ermittler haben das Boot identifiziert, von dem aus die Anschläge auf Nord Stream ausgeführt wurden. Offenbar wurde es von einer Firma gemietet, die Ukrainern gehört.

My translations:

Nord Stream investigation: Traces lead to Ukraine
Investigators have identified the boat from which the attacks on Nord Stream were carried out. Apparently, it was rented by a company owned by Ukrainians.

No, it is not the USS Kearsarge, the U.S. amphibious assault ship which 'trained' 'mine removals' near Bornholm island next to the pipelines just days before they blew up,  which the 'investigators' identified.

AZ @AZmilitary1 – 13:52 UTC · Sep 27, 2022

An expeditionary detachment of US Navy ships led by the universal amphibious assault ship USS Kearsarge days ago was in the Baltic Sea
It was 30 km from the site of the alleged sabotage on the Nord Stream-1 gas pipeline and 50 km from the threads of Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline


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The new claim is that some rather small yacht, which would not even be able to carry the necessary equipment to perform such a deed, was the main instrument in this:

Following joint research by [German main public TV news unit] (ARD's capital city studio), the ARD political magazine Kontraste, [German public TV] SWR and DIE ZEIT, it was possible to reconstruct to a large extent in the course of the investigation how and when the explosive attack was prepared. According to this, traces lead in the direction of Ukraine. However, investigators have so far found no evidence of who ordered the destruction.

Specifically, according to information from [these news sources], investigators have managed to identify the boat that was presumably used for the secret operation. It is said to be a yacht rented from a company based in Poland, apparently owned by two Ukrainians. The clandestine operation at sea is said to have been carried out by a team of six people, according to the investigation. It is said to have involved five men and one woman. According to the report, the group consisted of a captain, two divers, two diving assistants and a female doctor, who are said to have transported the explosives to the crime scenes and placed them there. The nationality of the perpetrators is apparently unclear. The assassins used professionally forged passports, which are said to have been used, among other things, to rent the boat.

According to the investigation, the commando set off from Rostock on September 6, 2022. The equipment for the clandestine operation was previously transported to the port in a van, it is said. In the further course, the investigators succeeded in locating the boat the following day again in Wieck (Darß) and later at the Danish island Christiansø, northeast of Bornholm, according to the research. The yacht was subsequently returned to the owner in uncleaned condition. On the table in the cabin, the investigators were able to detect traces of explosives, according to the research. According to information from [the mentioned news sources], a Western intelligence service is said to have sent a tip to European partner services as early as in the fall, i.e. shortly after the destruction, according to which a Ukrainian commando was responsible for the destruction. Thereafter, there have allegedly been further intelligence indications suggesting that a pro-Ukrainian group could be responsible.

No. You do not dive down to 80+ meter for an industrial size job, involving the placement of hundreds of pounds of explosives in eight individual charges on very sturdy pipelines, from a sparsely manned boat. Such deep dives require special gases, special breathing equipment, special training, a decompression chamber for emergencies and lots of well trained people to maintain all that stuff.

This is just more chaff thrown up to divert the attention from Seymour Hersh's revelations that the U.S. military, under order from the White House, carried out the sabotage act.

Gonzalo Lira @GonzaloLira1968 – 18:54 UTC · Mar 7, 2023

Just now, the German news site Zeitung is ALSO blaming the Ukraine for the Nord Stream pipeline bombing!
Coupled with The NY Times piece earlier today, this is clearly a coordinated misinformation campaign.
Was this why Olaf Schultz and Biden met?
Nord-Stream-Ermittlungen: Spuren führen in die Ukraine

Gonzalo Lira @GonzaloLira1968 – 5:21 UTC · Mar 8, 2023

Zelensky’s regime can deny its involvement in the Nord Stream pipeline terrorist attack all it wants—but it won’t matter.

Clearly, a very strong faction of the Deep State wants to blame UA so the West can pull out of the Ukraine disaster.

ft.com – Ukraine denies any involvement in Nordstream pipeline explosions

What we are seeing here is a disinformation campaign comparable to the Skripal 'poisoning' affair in Britain. Following that tens of 'officials say' news items were released that were each more illogical and unbelievable than the previous ones. The campaign was designed to flood the information space with so much nonsense that no one would be drawn back to the roots of the story (i.e. a UK turncoat asset getting violently silenced after he attempted to go back to Russia).

I am pretty sure that soon more will be released about the real perpetrators of the Nord Stream attack. This sudden throwing of 'officials say' chaff, a month after the Hersh story, is just an attempt to preemptively divert from it. 

Comments

Apollyon #80
The equivalence is that a vital piece of infrastructure was destroyed in both the 9/11 and NS2. The destruction of cheap energy for Europe has not finished its killing yet. Right now trucks aren’t driving food to supermarkets, hothouse are frozen and no longer viable economic food supies, people are choosing not to reproduce in high cost and uncertain times.
NS2 destruction will be killing and impoverisbing for another decade.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 8 2023 15:29 utc | 101

@ my own 96
Forgot momentarily. The Orwellian word is duckspeak. To quack like a duck. Take one look at Blinken, Nuland, Jean-Pierre. Duckspeak is all they are capable of. Same for Rachel Maddow or Fareed Zakaria. Expect duckspeak only.
It does not need to make sense. Making noise on a subject fills the void. No questions are anticipated. Any who might query the narrative are thoughtcriminals.

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 8 2023 15:30 utc | 102

DW’s March 8 report on the NYT “revelations” included opinions from various spox which didn’t throw any light on the ID of the culprit(s) so DW editoralised the mystery by suggesting that “who benefits?” is probably the most likely path to a solution.
They’re rarely comfortable with playing dumb. Imo.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 8 2023 15:30 utc | 103

Oops #101 apologies for typos. Tablets and fat fingers :/

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 8 2023 15:31 utc | 104

97: ” …the infantilisation of our society…”
That is a very deep and significant observation that bears tremendous weight. Only few have discerned it.

Posted by: Catilina | Mar 8 2023 15:34 utc | 105

@ John Dowser | Mar 8 2023 15:22 utc | 99
As is your norm, assertion by projection, assuming an undemonstrated/unproven position of knowledge/experience/insight & authority, demanding detailed response/links/etc to your trolling.
If you have something, anything, to contribute abiding by your own stated requirements/terms, do so. Otherwise. BS.

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 8 2023 15:41 utc | 106

Bernard,
You do realize that just as many stories about COVID were just as shoddy as this. Why did you censor anyone who disagreed with the official “narrative” about covid? The Diamond Princess should have told us all we needed to know. Are you afraid of offending YVES SMith?

Posted by: Mr. House | Mar 8 2023 15:43 utc | 107

Time will tell.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 8 2023 15:20 utc | 98
Thanks. Yes, time will tell. I think he is out to get “Biden”, maybe.
Although to be fair, “Biden” does not need much help getting himself. He has always been a crooked self-rightous prick. Reminds me of one of my cousins.

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 8 2023 15:44 utc | 108

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 8 2023 15:44 utc | 108
well Biden did get himself with the statement to the effect that we will take out the pipeline. still, I like to see the evidence pile up.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 8 2023 15:48 utc | 109

I posted a reply to your tweet. That may provide the missing element as to why the “Ukranian” yacht may have been a very important element in the whole affair.

Posted by: Clonal Antibody | Mar 8 2023 15:51 utc | 110

I’m only interested in one question. Did Scholz know in advance that the pipes were to be sabotaged. If he did he’s deliberately wrecked his country’s economy. If he didn’t, then why suppress enquiry?
If he didn’t know then he should be moving heaven and earth to find out who blew up those gas pipes. But he isn’t. Examine this link from yesterday:-
(Posted by: AG | Mar 8 2023 13:07 utc | 152)
The Macron/Putin call. Two days before the SMO. This sticks out.
Putin – “What could I say? You see yourself what is happening. You and Chancellor Scholz told me that Zelensky was ready to make a move, that he had prepared a bill to implement the Minsk Accords.”
https://www.letemps.ch/monde/europe/emmanuel-macron-vladimir-poutine-quatre-jours-guerre-ne-sais-juriste-appris-droit
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/03/ukraine-open-thread-2023-56/comments/page/2/#comments
This is a continuation of the Merkel/Hollande deception. Pretend to take the Minsk accords seriously while preparing for war.
By that time I doubt Putin was fooled. If he ever was.
Scholz has been a puzzle to me since the SMO started. The broad outlines were clear at the start. Provoke Russian military action. Portray that as dangerous Russian aggression. Get the Western electorates behind the sanctions war that was expected to break the Russian economy and with it the RF.
Not a creditable aim but certainly a purposeful. The venture failed with the failure of the sanctions war. The military evolutions we watch are a tragic sideshow. Sanctions fail, the West fails. And has. As the Western politicians attempt to extricate themselves from this failed venture we watch the bloodbath continue. All clear enough. But Scholz?
Was he an unwitting puppet of Washington? Or was he acting in concert with Washington? It can only be the second. Scholz and Macron knew what was planned. While pretending to still be working for Minsk 2 they were preparing for the sanctions war that was to defeat Russia.
After his pre-SMO meeting with Putin Scholz also spoke of the Normandy format. I noted that at the time because at that time I assumed, as did very many, that there’d be no war. After the obligatory chest-beating the situation would quieten down and we’d see a start made on the long delayed implementation of Minsk 2.
That didn’t happen. The shelling across the LoC intensified and the build-up of the formidable Kiev forces along the LoC, forces that must have overwhelmed the numerically inferior LDNR forces, meant that Putin was left with no choice but to intervene militarily. A forced move. That military intervention inevitably resulting in the sanctions war that was to defeat Russia.
Is it possible that our European politicians could pursue such plans and we in the various European electorates not know they were doing so? Not just possible, likely. As with the WMD deception and the Syrian “moderate rebels” deception, what was said to us front of stage was at variance with what our politicians were planning. Putin may or may not have been fooled but we the European voters were.
I believe we’ll stay fooled. The deception has worked only too well. Over the last year we have been subjected to an information campaign. General Vad states he’s seen no information campaign like it. Kujat, in remarks quoted in “b”‘s comment section linked to, confirms. We most of us now believe that Putin invaded Ukraine for no justifiable reason and the very notion that that was a forced move to enable the sanctions war is universally rejected.
So we’re all Russophobes now. Or Putinphobes or however we care to dress up that gut Russophobia in Europe that I believe the information war released as much as engendered in so many. The Northern European electorates will not accept their politicians attempting a healing of the breach.
The breach is with more than Russia. It is a breach with the new economic and trading alliances now forming outside the West. The hatred of Russia that was to carry us through the sanctions war will, now that that war has failed, take us to our own decline, not Russia’s.
Did we not sense all this as those guns continued thundering across that LoC? I’m fairly sure I did, though I might only be reading back into those days just before February 24th what became clear in the following weeks. We have been taken by our politicians to terminal disaster.
And of those politicians it is not Biden or the braggart Johnson, nor the labile Macron, who bear the chief blame. Scholz, the most powerful leader in Europe and leader of the most powerful country be far, certainly could not have caused this wreck. But he was the only politician who could have averted it.

Posted by: English Outsider | Mar 8 2023 15:52 utc | 111

No matter how nonsensical the story about the Ukrainian A-team doing the deed, it worked here in the bar. We’re talking about it vs. Bakhmut/UFA collapsing.
Posted by: Chris | Mar 8 2023 14:56 utc | 90
Not only that, so many posters are seriously trying to debunk the story with facts. Next, they will be debunking the story of three little pigs’ houses by calculating how much air pressure can the big bad wolf generate.

Posted by: Pagan | Mar 8 2023 15:53 utc | 112

he Kyiv Independent is launching a new department specializing in journalistic investigations of war crimes and other topics related to Russian aggression in Ukraine and beyond.
The new department begins its work on March 6. It is staffed by a team of leading Ukrainian investigative journalists that will be producing investigative documentaries in English and Ukrainian.
The first documentary is set to be released this summer.
“If during the first year of the (full-scale) war, journalists mostly just recorded war crimes against Ukrainians, now it’s time to show their systematicity and scale,” said Yevheniia Motorevska, the head of the Kyiv Independent’s new war crimes investigation department. “Torture of Ukrainian prisoners of war and civilians, crimes against children, Russian influence on political processes abroad — these are the topics we plan to work with in the near future.”
Motorevska is an award-winning Ukrainian journalist, editor, and video producer who previously worked at the Slidstvo.Info investigative journalism agency and served as the chief editor of the independent Ukrainian media outlet Hromadske in 2021-2022.
The new department is staffed by journalists Danylo Mokryk and Olesia Bida. Mokryk is a high-profile Ukrainian investigative journalist best known for his work with Bihus.Info and as the author of his own YouTube project MokRec. Bida is a Ukrainian journalist best known for her reports on human rights issues and Russian war crimes. She has previously worked for Hromadske.
The Kyiv Independent will soon announce additional vacancies in the newly-created department.
“Since the first days of the full-scale war, the Kyiv Independent has become a voice that speaks to the world about Russian aggression in Ukraine, so creating a war investigations department was a natural step for us. We have a unique platform to tell the world about Russia’s war crimes — and now we’ll have a powerful team to do it,” said the Kyiv Independent editor-in-chief Olga Rudenko.
Along with the new department, the Kyiv Independent’s main investigative desk, headed by Anna Myroniuk, continues its work. On March 2, its team was honored with the #AllForJan Award for their investigation into alleged leadership misconduct in the Ukrainian army’s International Legion.

Posted by: Jmaas | Mar 8 2023 15:56 utc | 113

Posted by: Jmaas | Mar 8 2023 15:56 utc | 113
Nice one! I’ll look forward to the material being republished by BBC, Guardian, NYT, WP etc…

Posted by: irish al | Mar 8 2023 16:06 utc | 114

Posted by: John Dowser | Mar 8 2023 15:22 utc | 99
I cited the US navy diving manual and PADI showing that there’s no way this job could ever have been done by two divers in a sailing boat.
If you like I could also refer to my own arguably limited diving experience from the Baltic. That’s what made me suspicious of Hershes story in the first place.
What more expert sources are you looking for?

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Mar 8 2023 16:16 utc | 115

I think everyone is barking up the wrong tree talking about divers, including Seymour Hersh. It was clearly done with submersibles. But other than that, I think Hersh’s description is basically correct. His sources were probably leery about giving away too many details regarding the precise technology involved, so they all agreed they would substitute “divers” in for that part of the account. Everything else is right.

Posted by: Intelligent Dasein | Mar 8 2023 16:27 utc | 116

Hmmm…. a yacht shows signs of the bombs 6 months later. Professionally forged passports, we don’t know their nationality, but they’re not American and not British. Contradiction anyone? This is so messy and chaotic it reminds me of the Spiral story/stories. And Navalny’s underwear/tea mishaps. I can’t wait for one of the BRICS countries’ leaders breaking down in laughter if one of these fools tries to answer a question about Nordstream with this spin story.

Posted by: Josh V | Mar 8 2023 16:29 utc | 117

The WW2 issues need closure. It has been almost 80 years. Germany and Japan need to be given real sovereignty.
Till when can they be occupied by US forces for something that happened 3.5 generations ago?

Posted by: nothing but the trut | Mar 8 2023 16:29 utc | 118

Seriously, what person with an IQ above 50 is actually going to fall for this utter horse sh!t.
I keep hearing people say that the US is ‘good at propaganda’, I think the US engages in a lot of propaganda, this is anything but good.
I feel very sorry for Americans (and the west in general), your political class is a total laughing stock, and this will not end well for the US.
Putin was very clear towards the beginning of this, ‘Nobody is going to sit this one out’ (or something to that effect).

Posted by: Bob Jenkins | Mar 8 2023 16:31 utc | 119

Nord-Stream-Ermittlungen: Spuren führen in die Ukraine
Ermittler haben Das Boot identifiziert,…

Jawoll Herr Kaleu! 😀

Posted by: Nobody | Mar 8 2023 16:36 utc | 120

The USS Kearsarge is a amphibious assault ship, it would generally carry 1200 to 1500 Marines, plus all the sailors (1200) to run the ship. Marines being transported on a ship don’t have a lot to do. Also on a Ship you don’t move explosives around without a plan, they have to be pulled and accounted for out of the ammo lockers. So if the USS Kearsarge did do it there are potentially 100’s of witnesses (bored Marines) and direct participation from the Captain down to seamen class sailors. I am just saying you don’t commit crimes with 2700 potential witnesses, with iPhones and a ship full of security cameras.

Posted by: Just an Old Guy | Mar 8 2023 16:37 utc | 121

Other stories getting drowned out while we debate the plausibility of a clear lie:
https://southfront.org/satellite-images-show-heavy-damage-at-syrias-aleppo-airport-after-recent-israeli-strikes/
Israel getting even more barbaric, cratering the runway of an airport used by relief agencies to deliver aid.

Posted by: Chris | Mar 8 2023 16:49 utc | 122

@irish al | Mar 8 2023 15:18 utc | 97

the infantilisation of our society (massively including the political classes) runs deep.

Even kids can see it.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 8 2023 16:49 utc | 123

Israel getting even more barbaric, cratering the runway of an airport used by relief agencies to deliver aid.
Posted by: Chris | Mar 8 2023 16:49 utc | 122
Bibi is desperate to provoke a war. The guy before him was just as big a prick, but he was not desperate to provoke a war to stay out of jail. I expect “Biden” would totally approve at this point, for similar reasons.

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 8 2023 16:58 utc | 124

@Intelligent Dasein | Mar 8 2023 16:27 utc | 116

I think everyone is barking up the wrong tree talking about divers, including Seymour Hersh. It was clearly done with submersibles.

ROV – Remotely Operated Vehicle
https://www.oceaneering.com/rov-services/rov-systems/

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 8 2023 17:02 utc | 125

https://www.pipeline-journal.net/news/explosive-laden-drone-found-near-nord-stream-pipeline
This article is from BBC in 2015. It reports that an explosive-filled underwater drone/submersible was found next to the Nord Stream 1 pipeline. The owner of the drone/sub was not identified because “The national identity of the drone has not been verified so far, as many countries use Unmanned Underwater Vehicles (UUVs) of a similar construction, . . . “. If it was Russian, it would have been screamed from the rooftops. Because it wasn’t, I certainly believe that a “pro-Ukranian group” constructed the device and placed it secretly.
(Please note that the US is the largest “pro-Ukrainian group” to the tune of 150+ billion $$$s in support.)

Posted by: naiverealist | Mar 8 2023 17:08 utc | 126

Alex Vadim@14- is this the link you’re after?
Posted by: Derek Henry | Jan 4 2023 12:34 utc | 222

Posted by: Vragtes | Mar 8 2023 17:09 utc | 127

600hp Trenching ROV for Subsea Cables & Pipelines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yM6AAFWg1w

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 8 2023 17:09 utc | 128

Alex Vadim-it was on the Ukraine Open Thread on 3rd January, post no 222

Posted by: Vragtes | Mar 8 2023 17:12 utc | 129

a lot of what was in Seymour Hersh’s article was pretty much known 6 months ago.
Liz Truss to Blinken “its done” within a minute of the sabotage.(according to Kim Dotcom, who managed to hack into Truss’s phone ; not sure whether that’s true or not)
likewise Polish politician Radek Sikorski’s tweet “Thank you USA”
also remember reading about Polish calls to destroy Nord Stream2 (and1) a few days before it actually happened.
likewise total (as in %100) German silence as to the event
all Hersh has done was to throw a bit more insight as to what happened; to make it official, so to speak

Posted by: chris m | Mar 8 2023 17:13 utc | 130

In previous comment, I stated the source of the article was BBC. Unfortunately the link I found was with a pipeline consortium news source. I have seen the BBC article previously, but have been unable to find it this time. That BBC article had a picture of the drone with the umbilical cut nestled right next to the pipeline. I saved the picture somewhere. . . .

Posted by: naiverealist | Mar 8 2023 17:15 utc | 131

@124 Bemildred
Debka (who should be taken with varying levels of salt) is saying that the bombing of the Damascus runway was done to send a message to Putin that he should not supply weapons to Iran. It makes some level of sense, although Debka is well known for hyperbole and disinformation.
I did try to link it but MoA doesn’t seem to like it, just google Debka (the Hebrew language site, not the English language one) and use a translator
Maybe this shorter link will work.
https://www.debka.co.il/

Posted by: Bob Jenkins | Mar 8 2023 17:16 utc | 132

this brand of bullshit goes back to the “few bad apples” of abu ghraib and my lai. while i can agree with helmer that hersh’s source on this one seems a bit off the overall story is the same as his others and hardly requires a “source” other than common sense: the US doing horrible corrupt things, getting caught and throwing someone else under the bus.
and honestly it doesn’t matter if it was navy seals or MI6 or german mermaids: it was a NATO job. even if it was some ukie frat boys on a party boat who threw a bitchin’ kegger and then did some sweet scuba hijinks (“take that, dean putin!”) they would have done it with western cash.

Posted by: the pair | Mar 8 2023 17:19 utc | 133

Sputniknews
Kremlin: New Reports on Nord Stream Attacks Are Part of a Coordinated Disinformation Campaign

Earlier this month, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov pledged in an interview with Sputnik that Russia would not allow an investigation into the terror attacks on the Nord Stream pipelines to be swept under the rug.
Media reports about the attacks on Russia’s Nord Stream pipelines are part of a coordinated spread of disinformation and an attempt to divert attention from the real perpetrators, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told Sputnik on Wednesday.
“Obviously, the authors of the terrorist attack want to divert attention. This is obviously a coordinated spread of disinformation in the media,” Peskov said, commenting on the Western media reports.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 8 2023 17:28 utc | 134

Posted by: Bob Jenkins | Mar 8 2023 17:16 utc | 132
Your link worked for me.
I am aware of Debka, but don’t find it useful. How do you know when they are not lying?
Nothing about the story seems that unreal, but it is stupid for them to think Iran will not be encouraged to do it by such stories, or not listen to them at all. It will certainly not discourage them from helping Russia, if Russia wants it.
I think Iran would still prefer to avoid a war, but would not be reluctant if provoked egregiously enough. Excellent chance somebody will do it.
What happens after that, no idea.
Thank you for your comment.
Israel: a Fractured Civil Society

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 8 2023 17:29 utc | 135

Biden supporters and war supporters will believe this, because they want to believe it. It really does not matter to them that it is blatant nonsense.

Posted by: Mark Thomason | Mar 8 2023 17:43 utc | 136

Posted by: Hamburger | Mar 8 2023 8:40 utc | 28
No the U.S. is the sick man on Potomac!

Posted by: Milos | Mar 8 2023 17:44 utc | 137

Jorgen 79;
What you say about Hersh is too strong; I think you make a fair point, and I’ll grant your supposition; now those devices would be top secret. So, the whistleblowers might have altered the facts to protect some secret information, while providing enough operational facts to rattle cages–which is how Sy has described the motives of his contacts. He’s repeated that those talking to him believe in the basics of their mission, their jobs; but they also feel a duty to expose (responsibly, quietly) the excesses.

Posted by: scottindallas | Mar 8 2023 17:46 utc | 138

Iran vs Israel or Russia vs NATO arrives at the same conclusion: WWIII.
As regards the attack of Nord Stream, Yachtie Terrorists have been ignored for too long and am happy for their long overdue recognition in the global war against humor.
cheers!

Posted by: gottlieb | Mar 8 2023 17:52 utc | 139

Did they find passports on the yacht?
This “story” is beyond stupid, just how stupid do they believe the world public is!?

Posted by: Taras 77 | Mar 8 2023 18:01 utc | 140

@135 Bemildred
I don’t trust Debka, was just an interesting ‘what if’.
Yep, Iran has gone out of their way to avoid a direct confrontation, while I think that the restraint will continue for now, if Israel finally does attack Iran (not with drones, but the attack they have been threatening to conduct for a long time now), I think Iran will hit back hard (even though I suspect that certain allies will try to counsel them against it).
Iran can ill afford to be openly attacked without any kind of concrete reprisal and it is long past time Israeli jets had their wings clipped, especially since at least 90% of what they target is Syrian civilian infrastructure.
Cheers

Posted by: Bob Jenkins | Mar 8 2023 18:09 utc | 141

@ Taras 77 | Mar 8 2023 18:01 utc | 140
It doesn’t matter whether it’s believable or not, as long as it’s the Official Lie.
(All else is “disinformation.”)

Posted by: John Kennard | Mar 8 2023 18:15 utc | 142

Posted by: Chris | Mar 8 2023 16:49 utc | 122
Israel is on the road to perdition. Not only did Netanyahu have some esoteric deal with Pfizer to mass-inject the Israeli population with experimental drugs……..but the evidence of serious harm to that population s emerging…………and the man is a CIA asset with a corruption backlog he can share with Zelensky………Netanyahu was CIA when at MIT
He needs to put the whole of Israel at risk and the population is well aware of his rabid bedfellows and where it will lead………
Attacking Syrian airports from the Med is probably aimed at hindering Iranian air defence systems being installed – Iran is bringing its own systems to Syria and will no doubt encircle Israel with Hezbollah and Lebanon having huge rocket stockpiles.
Israel should be very frightened………it may well be going away for another long period into oblivion – its mothership in Washington faces a very uncertain future – and the world is no longer one Israel can control from London and Washington and Paris

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 8 2023 18:24 utc | 143

The second ten meters of essentially incompressible water would have to weigh twice as much as the first ten meters of water, and the next ten meters of water would have to weigh twice as much as the second ten meters, etc. Physically preposterous.
Posted by: Dalit | Mar 8 2023 9:04 utc | 34
It isn’t the water being compressed. It is the gas divers breath. You’re pooh poohing data because you’re not considering how it gets applied.

Posted by: First Time Poster | Mar 8 2023 18:30 utc | 144

Personally I have many longterm friends acquaintances and family members who a few years back would have laughed at propaganda so primitive as the Nordstream stories. Trump and covid were a part of what changed them, there have to be more pieces than that. Now if NYT or NPR says it is so, then it is so. Critical reading, critical intelligence are disloyalty. Thoughtcrime.
And the number of people totally disengaged from the news is much larger. Newspapers are dead, no one watches what remains of broadcast news, most get their news from social media and friends if they get news at all. What is believed on social media is at least as silly as the official story. So the official story can be rubbish and it does not matter.
Official story should be so simple – good guys and bad guys – that after being passed around long chains on social media the good guys are still us and the bad guys are them.

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 8 2023 18:32 utc | 145

[118]
The WW2 issues need closure. It has been almost 80 years. Germany and Japan need to be given real sovereignty.
Do you inhabit a Skinner box ? Do you not comprehend that WW2 has been re-opened ? Is it so opaque to you that the mission of Rudolf Hess on 10.May 1941 just 1 month before Germany invaded USSR has finally borne fruit ?
UK, USA, France have allied with Germany and a Nazi ideology to attack Russia and its existence just as Rudolf Hess invited them to do in May 1941 and which proposal sits under 100 Year Time Lock in British Archives.
The whole May 1945 World order is overturned. USA deliberately reignited Nazism just as it weaponised Islamism in the Middle East destroying every single Secular Muslim regime – Iraq, Libya, Syria, Lebanon – in favour of Wahhabism and its derivatives in ISIS and the seeding of Pakistan and Afghanistan via General Zia ul-Haq.
USA was NEVER opposed to Nazism but was prepared to defeat Germany in 1945……..Nazism was cultivated by the Dulles Brothers and nurtured in the 14th Galician Waffen-SS in Rimini before dispersion to Canada and Australia and UK………….and employment of Reinhard Gehlen and his band of brothers in Pullach…….and the rehabilitation of Waffen-SS under Adenauer and at Daimler-Benz where Hanns-Martin Schleyer (SS) was HR Director – or Spiegel magazine where Augstein rehabilitated. SS men………

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 8 2023 18:35 utc | 146

“Obviously, the authors of the terrorist attack want to divert attention. This is obviously a coordinated spread of disinformation in the media,” Peskov said, commenting on the Western media reports.
Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 8 2023 17:28 utc | 134
I think that Kremlin may be right, this is just the beginning of a campaign of disinformation. Next version may that 19 Ukrainian students highjacked a submarine and blew up the pipelines. Initiate 4-5 ridiculous versions and then Hersh’s story becomes just one of the many interpretations.

Posted by: Pagan | Mar 8 2023 18:35 utc | 147

At least the new Fiction beats the original unpublished U.S. position.
“Biden did it using his hairy legs and the bicycle Chain he used to beat CornPop.”

Posted by: kupkee | Mar 8 2023 18:36 utc | 148

Attacking Syrian airports from the Med is probably aimed at hindering Iranian air defence systems being installed – Iran is bringing its own systems to Syria and will no doubt encircle Israel with Hezbollah and Lebanon having huge rocket stockpiles.
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Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 8 2023 18:24 utc | 143
Yes, that is part of it too, they are losing the argument militarily, have been for some time now, yet digging deeper all the time, and unable to reform.
I remember arguing with rather obnoxious zionist trolls at some site that I forget now about the consequences of Bush the Lessers Iraq War II and Bibi’s trashing of Oslo (Remember Oslo? “Come to Israel, La la la”.)
And yet, here we are.

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 8 2023 18:36 utc | 149

Seeing right thru the long yarn like a sieve
Not fooling anyone
RT:

Commenting on these reports, Kremlin Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov said that the allegations look like “a coordinated media hoax campaign” and an attempt to deflect attention from the real culprits.
LINK

One can safely conclude the Gazprom guys and gals will soon go public with the evidence–there will be legal action to recover reputational damage. All in good time. Imho, considering after all the promises to end NordStream, there were cameras put in place “We can do it” An Act of War and satellites can capture the fine print on a postage stamp.

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 8 2023 18:37 utc | 150

Posted by: dan of steele | Mar 8 2023 8:41 utc | 29
Having been through training as a Navy clearance diver I can confirm the general accuracy of your post.
Since exposure time increases the hazard it would make sense to arrive at the site via submarine, exit underwater, recover explosive materials from a deck shelter, place the explosives, and then return to the submarine. If the submarine were equipped with a decompression chamber (and certain US submarines are so equipped) then the divers could immediately begin decompression something which is unlikely to occur on a rented Ukrainian pleasure craft.
Support for Hersh’s story and his report of Norwegian involvement is the fact the v/l assisting with laying the pipeline was the Far Samson, a purpose-built v/l that was declared Norway’s “Ship of the year 2009”. The Norwegians would therefore have excellent knowledge of the locations most vulnerable to attack.
I find it difficult to accept the assertion that the explosive devices were triggered by an underwater sound signal. The sea is a fairly noisy place, the sound frequencies are all over the map and will travel long distances. There is considerable risk of an errant sound frequency triggering the explosive device.
A USN P-8 Poseidon was recorded in the area on the night of the explosions. The track indicates it flew transatlantic, was refuelled over Germany by USAF tanker, and then orbited the target area while descending to a lower altitude. The P-8 carries a range of armaments and I suspect it dropped a weapon which exploded sub-surface and created a pressure pulse. It was likely this pulse that was received by the pipeline weapon and triggered the previously placed explosives. That pressure pulse was a discrete signal unlikely to be mimicked by any errant acoustic frequency.

Posted by: Sushi | Mar 8 2023 18:44 utc | 151

The NYT story was obviously written by a beta version the ChatGBT “Misdirection” AI software. After Scholz’s visit with Biden, the software generated 5 different versions that were field tested by handing to primary school children in the suburban McClean, Virginia area. The best version was sent to the NYT on Monday.
This information was passed to me by a relative in the DC, though in hindsight that might have been an AI robot-call.

Posted by: Sanctions R US | Mar 8 2023 18:56 utc | 152

Bernhard and MoA get quoted in a ZH posting with the title
“Coordinated Media Hoax Campaign” – Russia Blasts NYTimes Report On Nord Stream “Monstrous Crime”

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 8 2023 18:57 utc | 153

So the Ukraine, blew up a German gas pipe line, that was installed by Russia…that explains Germans wetting their panties and sending more weapons to the Ukraine….by the short and curlies me thinks…many compromised individuals with no ability to act rational, never mind form and stick to an agreement.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 8 2023 18:58 utc | 154

This horrid affair reminds me of the comic strip For better or worse. Wasn’t me…Not me.
OT anyone in contact w Karlof1? Haven’t seen his name here in a while, hope all is well with him and his fam.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Mar 8 2023 19:01 utc | 155

I lean toward believing Hersch as his record looks pretty good to me. However…. he has always come across as a kind of USA “patriot” who has cultivated high level military and intelligence people who secretly blow whistles on crimes they were either involved in or witnessed. I’m guessing that many of these people carry large amounts of guilt but they don’t want to give up their fat salaries, pensions and perks. If I’m accurate, Hersch plays a therapeutic role in providing them with a chance to do some good. And he has never blown their cover so they trust him. But he still talks about Putin like he’s the enemy.
Bottom line, Hersch is giving us important information but subject to scrutiny. If he were opining at this bar I would skip him.

Posted by: migueljose | Mar 8 2023 19:03 utc | 156

Ukrainian news outlet Strana – CTPAHA.UA
bottom-lines it using simple sense instead of the elaborate fabricating at The New York Times:
“One way or another, it seems that this version [NYT] will be accepted as official in the West. It is the most ‘comfortable’ for the USA and its European partners (primarily Germany) in the current situation since according to it, none of the NATO countries and even the Ukrainian authorities are responsible for the detonation.”
A fairy tale ending for a fairy tale!

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Mar 8 2023 19:03 utc | 157

Initiate 4-5 ridiculous versions and then Hersh’s story becomes just one of the many interpretations.
Posted by: Pagan | Mar 8 2023 18:35 utc | 147

Exactly, the strategy worked so well after 9-11 and is still going on with the Covid-19 origin fables. Plus make sure at least one of the amplified versions points to a geopolitical group that is a potential “compliance” problem, like the Saudis, Trump or China.
This is not the Intel Agency’s first rodeo.

Posted by: Sanctions R US | Mar 8 2023 19:05 utc | 158

anyone in contact w Karlof1? Haven’t seen his name here in a while, hope all is well with him and his fam.
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Mar 8 2023 19:01 utc | 155

bevin is MIA as well, perhaps they are on honeymoon in Mexico 😉

Posted by: Sanctions R US | Mar 8 2023 19:12 utc | 159

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 8 2023 18:35 utc | 146
for anyone doubting this comment (not your covid BS, but whatev),
many probably know this blog,
http://whateveritisimagainstit.blogspot.com/
if we last long enough, we can read 16 years or more of western leaders openly praising, endorsing, supporting, encouraging, Mussolini and Hitler and the like.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 8 2023 19:15 utc | 160

Man, they’re really throwing Ukraine under a bus. When are those patsies going to wake up and realise they been had? If I were Z at this point I’d be calling Putin and handing him the keys.

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 8 2023 19:22 utc | 161

@Paul Greenwood | Mar 8 2023 18:35 utc | 146

Daimler-Benz where Hanns-Martin Schleyer (SS) was HR Director

Fwiw, I remember his execution by Rote Arme Fraktion in 1977.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 8 2023 19:23 utc | 162

Posted by: Sanctions R US | Mar 8 2023 18:56 utc | 152
it’s like Big Brother’s Pornsec. I mean, there’s only so many positions one can take…automate it already.
Seriously, “leaders” have a very limited Excel spreadsheet with simple formulas for every row and column. E.g., under the long column called “Israel,” whatever row of problems discussed, shooting children, bombing airports, land grabs, etc., always, always, mention “right to self-defense”, “only democracy in the ME” and “no firmer ally and partner”. when explaining why it’s necessary to bomb goatherders into a “modern democratic nation,” remember: “we’ll stand down, when they stand up.” “We gave Iraq this great democracy, and look at what they went and did!”

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 8 2023 19:26 utc | 163

Don’t forget that these articles are being read by people who think that James Bond or Tom Cruise can swim down, plant a charge, and be at the cocktail party in Monte Carlo before it blows. 90% of the world have no idea the logistics, tech and expertise needed here—nor do they care. We here are, after all, in the MoA bubble…

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 8 2023 19:28 utc | 164

Posted by: scottindallas | Mar 8 2023 17:46 utc | 138
That may be so, but as an ex investigative reporter I find it hard to believe that Hersh willingly published something he knew to be false just because a source told him to. That would leave him very exposed.
I think it’s more likely that he doesn’t know a lot about diving, and the source played him.
On the reason for the leak I think I might be to deflect attention away from the navy. I the CIA got the norwegians or a few happy sailors from Ukraine to do it, that would only be yet another in a long row of terrorist acts.
But if Biden ordered the navy to blow up the pipe that would be an outright act of war against Germany. And I’m no expert on us law, but I assume that would be an impeachable crime, right? And I also assume that there are plenty of republicans itching to get back at the dems for tha trump thang.

Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Mar 8 2023 19:29 utc | 165

I hope Hersh is being extra careful and keeping his head on a swivel now that he’s announced he’ll be providing more information next week. Would really hate to learn he decided to kill himself with two gunshots to the back of his head, or a nasty slip and fall from the 3rd story balcony of his 1-story home.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 8 2023 19:35 utc | 166

@166 Tom_Q_Collins
Or the newest addition to the Clinton cavalcade of nefarious methods of dispatch, (severe) turbulence.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/03/prominent-dc-lawyer-who-served-in-clinton-administration-killed-on-plane/
You literally cannot make this cr@p up.

Posted by: Bob Jenkins | Mar 8 2023 19:41 utc | 167

No shit, sherlock??

https://archive.is/ZprH5

Posted by: toxique.negresse | Mar 8 2023 19:45 utc | 168

Posted by: Bob Jenkins | Mar 8 2023 19:41 utc | 167
A page from the Paul Wellstone or Dag Hammarskjold playbook, perhaps?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 8 2023 19:46 utc | 169

Posted by: A.z | Mar 8 2023 8:03 utc | 22 & 23
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A.z seems to be very invested in supporting the US/ Germany lies about Nord Stream.

Posted by: Ed | Mar 8 2023 19:47 utc | 170

REPOST
Russia’s Nord Stream gas pipelines may have been sabotaged by dolphins, report says
European and US intelligence officials now believe killer dolphins were behind the bombing of the Nord Stream gas pipelines last year, according to new reports in the Times of London and German newspaper Die Zeit. German investigators now believe the attack on the pipelines was carried out by a team of twelve dolphins equipped with “bang sticks,” poles attached to their heads which are used to scare off sharks but can also blow up undersea gas pipelines, according to Die Zeit.
The information has been shared between European intelligence agencies in an effort to establish more information about those who carried out the undersea bombings in September, an attack that had left western governments perplexed. Dolphin communities in the United States and Canada, however, have privately confirmed that the involvement of dolphins is the majority opinion amongst their members. Members of the LGBTQD community point specifically to Russian dolphins as the culprits.
Details about the intelligence remain sketchy and it is unclear what confidence the US intelligence community places in the theory, as well as who may have organised, funded and directed such a daring attack on the gas pipelines running between Russia and Germany. But it is suggested that the government of Kyiv did not direct the underwater strike.
Russia said it wanted an independent international inquiry to be set up in response to the report. Its deputy envoy to the UN said Moscow would call for a vote at the UN security council on whether to launch one.
A senior aide to Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, told the Times of London the government in Kyiv was “in no way involved in the attack”, and blamed “rogue dolphins” instead. “It doesn’t make any sense. But it is extremely beneficial for Russia itself to try to switch attention from the war … and try to present itself as a kind of ‘victim’,” he said. “Besides,” he continued, “the Russians have long been known to use dolphins in combat,” presumably referring to the 1945 capture of Berlin by the Soviet Dolphin Brigade.
The attack took place in international waters in the Baltic Sea, near the Danish island of Bornholm, with large amounts of gas rising up from the sea floor. Eyewitnesses reported seeing dolphins in the area, which the Danish government later determined to be sharks.
The prevailing theory at the time of the attack was that the bombing was the work of Russia, seeking to blame the west, but there have been doubts about whether Moscow would want to destroy its own expensively built infrastructure, even if the flow of gas had been halted by the time of the attack.
While investigators had been able to largely reconstruct how the pipelines had been blown up, Die Zeit’s report said, they had not found any evidence as to who would have tasked the group to carry out an attack, with a “false flag” operation still a theoretical possibility.
Twelve dolphins were involved in the operation to transport explosives to the site, including two known to have been associated with the 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta. All twelve were understood to have used professionally faked passports, said Die Zeit, with their real identities still unclear. The dolphins were last seen in the harbor of the Polish port city of Gdansk on 5 September. Several damaged bang-sticks were subsequently found by locals upon the shore.
Russia has repeatedly denied carrying out the bombing, even at one point blaming the UK, although there is no evidence of British involvement. A month ago, the US investigative journalist Seymour Hersh wrote an article saying the US had blown up the pipes – a claim denied by the US.
Speculation about US involvement has lingered because, just before Putin invaded Ukraine, Joe Biden cryptically claimed “there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2” if war were to break out. “We will bring an end to it,” he said, adding: “I promise you we’ll be able to do it.”
Coincidentally, the webpage of a famous dolphin who starred in a 1995 American television series went offline at about the same time. Studio officials refused to respond to requests for comment by Die Zeit.
The German government said its own investigation has not yet reached a conclusion. Sweden, Denmark and Germany informed the security council a few days ago that their investigations were continuing and that there were still no results, a German government spokesperson said. They confirmed, however, no Swedish, Danish or German dolphins were involved.
“My impression from previous conversations is that the German investigators do not yet have any results that they can or want to communicate, simply because the evidence is far too thin,” said Roderich Kiesewetter, of the conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU). “We have to continue to ask the question: who had an interest in the detonation, why were only three of the four strands detonated, and why were dolphins supposedly sighted in the area” he added.
White House spokesperson John Kirby said: “We need to let these investigations conclude and only then should we be looking at what follow-on actions might or may not be appropriate. We continue to support our allies in this endeavor, including those in the LGBTQD community.”
The Nord Stream gas pipelines connected Russia and Germany and were long opposed by Ukraine as they would have let Moscow sell more gas to western Europe. Gazprom representatives did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
It is not the first time pro-Ukrainian groups have been suspected of carrying out a major attack. US intelligence has come to believe that the car bombing of Darya Dugina in Moscow last August was conducted by dolphins working for “elements” of the government in Kyiv.

Posted by: Tanya | Mar 8 2023 19:48 utc | 171

Posted by: toxique.negresse | Mar 8 2023 19:45 utc | 168
Sorry, not buying it. No specifics provided at all. I seriously doubt that Ukraine had the technical ability (logistical, equipment, training) or capacity (sufficient trained personnel, vehicle(s)) to carry off the complex attacks on the Nordstream pipelines.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 8 2023 19:49 utc | 172

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/west-nato-nord-stream-attacks-protect-ukraine-qsrqxvssw
(free archive.ph link posted above)

WAR IN UKRAINE | ANALYSIS
West kept schtum on the Nord Stream attack to protect Ukraine
Maxim Tucker, Kyiv
Wednesday March 08 2023, 12.01am GMT, The Times
The effects of the explosion in September could be seen on the surface of the Baltic Sea
The effects of the explosion in September could be seen on the surface of the Baltic Sea
SWEDISH COAST GUARD/ALAMY
A week after the Nord Stream pipeline exploded, staff at a Scandinavian delegation in Brussels walked out of their embassy intelligence briefing, impressed by the level of detail they had received so soon after the attack.
It hadn’t been carried out by the Americans, the Russians or the Poles, their intelligence service apparently told them, but by a private venture originating in Ukraine. They were told this would not be made public and to deflect any questions about why the official investigation into the destruction of the Russo-German pipeline was moving so slowly.
The name of the suspected private sponsor, a Ukrainian not affiliated with President Zelensky’s government, has been circulating in intelligence circles for months but not revealed.
Nato officials, it appears, wanted to protect Ukraine from a public spat with Germany, which had been dragging its heels over whether to deliver vital military aid, including Leopard 2 tanks and IRIS-T air defence systems.
This is only fair — they probably knew who was responsible before the presidential administration or the defence ministry in Kyiv, who have been blindsided by the report and furiously deny involvement.
• Pro-Ukrainian group behind Nord Stream attacks, US believes
Such sympathy bodes well for continued backing from Nato governments to Kyiv as it tries to hold off a relentless Russian offensive in the Donbas and recover lands lost to the invaders. However, public opinion is a more fickle thing, and in Germany support for arming Ukraine is already on a knife edge.
The idea of Ukrainians driving a vehicle laden with explosives through Poland to launch an attack on a German pipeline from German soil will particularly grate on the German public.
Germany has been under intense pressure to send Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine
Germany has been under intense pressure to send Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine
MARTIN MEISSNER/AP
Confusion over the relationship between Zelensky’s government and the saboteurs will breed suspicion. It will embolden those in Germany who are pressuring Olaf Scholz, the chancellor, to curtail military aid, and ultimately harm Ukraine.
That is presumably not the intent of the influential figure suspected to have bankrolled such a sophisticated operation from his own pocket — involving a yacht, elite divers, forged passports and the procurement of shaped explosive charges only available to the gas and oil industry with a specific licence and at great cost.
His name will surely appear eventually, particularly given that he appears to have left a peculiar calling card. Ukraine’s relationship with its allies will fare better if the individual comes clean.

At least it’s not an ID card…

Posted by: toxique.negresse | Mar 8 2023 19:51 utc | 173

Addendum to – Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 8 2023 19:49 utc | 172
Or “killer dolphins” LOL! (Wouldn’t that really mean “Kamikaze dolphins”?)
Then again, I guess I wouldn’t put it past the Ukro-Nazis to train poor innocent dolphins to explode themselves, but there’s no way in Hell that they had the ability to do so.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 8 2023 19:51 utc | 174

Nuland had a fall and twisted her tongue.
Get a load of this and do not blink:
Ex-Pentagon Officer: NATO Divide Growing, US & EU May Drastically Reduce Ukraine Aid by Summer
US Officials Accept Idea That Crimea is Russian

[.]
Mixed signals are also continuing to come from the Biden administration with regard to Crimea.
In January 2023, the US press alleged that Biden officials had warmed to help Ukraine target Crimea, the peninsula that reunified with Russia as the result of a March 2014 referendum.
Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland partially backed this idea by stating in mid-February that the Russian military bases in Crimea should be considered legitimate targets for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
However, almost simultaneously, Secretary of State Antony Blinken insisted in a Zoom call with a group of experts that Crimea constitutes a Russian “red line” and that Washington would not encourage Kiev to attack the peninsula.[.]
What’s more, Nuland herself has recently stated on a webinar, which Pyne attended, that any peace deal to end the Russo-Ukrainian conflict would have to end with Moscow retaining control of Crimea. [emphasis added]
These contradictions apparently indicate that Washington did not expect that the conflict would protract for so long. In fact, the Biden administration would like to end it long before the Democratic presidential primary season begins in February 2024, ideally by this summer, according to the former Pentagon officer.[.]
Indeed, House Republicans have already brought forward the Ukraine Fatigue bill, urging Biden to stop all US funding of Kiev until a peace deal with Russia is signed. “I think Republican attacks on Biden putting Ukraine First and America Last will take its toll on Biden’s resolve to continue the fight in Ukraine,” Pyne noted.[.]
https://sputniknews.com/20230308/ex-pentagon-officer-nato-divide-growing-us–eu-may-drastically-reduce-ukraine-aid-by-summer-1108188312.html

If what I read is confirmed, Biden will have some serious challenges. Robert Kennedy Jr., when asked in New Hampshire if he would enter the field, said Yes, “he’s thinking about running for president”
https://www.wbur.org/news/2023/03/06/robert-kennedy-jr-considers-presidential-run-2024-new-hampshire

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 8 2023 19:52 utc | 175

Posted by: toxique.negresse | Mar 8 2023 19:45 utc | 168
More like: Total shit, Sherlock.

Posted by: irish al | Mar 8 2023 19:53 utc | 176

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 8 2023 19:49 utc | 172
yeah, the story is getting more absurd and unbelievable with each new article… but I’m sure everything will be okay again “if the individual comes clean”…

Posted by: toxique.negresse | Mar 8 2023 19:56 utc | 177

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 8 2023 19:52 utc | 175
The only Kennedy to survive for very long in office was only allowed to do so because he was a powerless dry drunk and they had ample kompromat on him.
If RFK Jr. enters the race, he’s gotta know he has a heck of a curse on his shoulders.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 8 2023 19:59 utc | 178

Has there been any indication that there were explosives found planted beside the unexploded Nord Stream pipelines?

Posted by: chet380 | Mar 8 2023 20:01 utc | 179

Seems like the NS2 destruction has reached its Kennedy moment.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 8 2023 20:04 utc | 180

Biden confirms Hersch’s version. His assertion to the reporter assuring her that the US could do it was so certain because the plan had already been finalized.

Posted by: Verity | Mar 8 2023 20:12 utc | 181

Remember this?
Radek Sikorski: Thank You, USA
https://postimg.cc/TpMCRb1d

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 8 2023 20:13 utc | 182

Some OT thoughts & questions:
What is going on insofar as daily life in Kiev for the average Ukrainian schmoe, not some privileged type who drives a Benz and wears western clothing?
Seems like a kind of wartime blackout is in effect; is Zelensky’s authoritarian crackdown working? Nobody seems to be saying much; you would think that some truth would leak out.
Also, any news on the rapprochement between Turkey and Syria? Seems that the earthquake hit and all that went into hibernation.

Posted by: Chris | Mar 8 2023 20:20 utc | 183

Congress begins taking back their War Powers authority. Will Biden or future presidents be hogtied? No. Think NordStream is an Act of War.
Senate Panel Passes Bill to End Gulf, Iraq War Authorizations (AUMF)
= = = = =
Can’t make this headline up:
Borrell Suggests Allocating 1 Bln Euros From EU Peace Facility to Supply Ammo to Kiev
Got it?
monies diverted from the “Peace facility” to fuel the war and the killings of innocents.

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 8 2023 20:24 utc | 184

In addition to what Norwegian reminds us about Sikorski’s since-deleted tweet, as b stated clearly in his article about the NYT piece laying the blame at the feet of “a pro-Ukrainian group”, Joseph Fuckin’ Biden, Victoria “Fuck the EU” Nuland, and crew are all part of a “pro-Ukrainian group” last time I checked.
This is all spurious noise injected to “flood the zone” – which means that as Hersh’s article gained traction, despite a concerted attempt to let it die unnoticed by the corporate media – has finally reached some sort of critical mass and they are desperate to confuse people lest they get “the wrong idea.”
That and the fact that more and more people and Nato countries are getting ready to throw Ukraine under the bus and let ’em hang out to dry, as they should have long ago.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 8 2023 20:27 utc | 185

How many people watch true crime shows such as Dateline? They follow a predictable pattern. A criminal waits for an investigation to be complete. He then constructs a narrative based on what evidence has been exposed. This may not always work while facing a jury trial but it works often enough.
So, with Nord Stream, the same pattern follows. They craft a narrative after the evidence comes out. Of course, it must favor Ukraine being guilty (to be credible) but also be independent enough to save them from any EU anger. As with a jury above, you shouldn’t buy into this.

Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 8 2023 20:31 utc | 186

This video of supposed Kalingrad troops (Russian part near Poo-land) damn near mutinying their officer and refusing to go to fight in the Ukraine is going around Ukie Twitter right now.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1633518847671123968
I don’t speak Russian, but I know there are some Russian speakers here. Can you please let me know if the translation is accurate and if those are real Russians, or if this might be some kind of Ukie psyop?

Posted by: LGB! | Mar 8 2023 20:31 utc | 187

(sorry for OT post. I didnt see a Ukraine open thread today)

Posted by: LGB! | Mar 8 2023 20:32 utc | 188

@Chris | Mar 8 2023 20:20 utc | 183
Life in Kiev is miserable – no work, so no money. Average people are in a very hard place.

Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 8 2023 20:33 utc | 189

Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 8 2023 20:33 utc | 189
Thanks. I suppose if you take a picture of the misery and post it online, on social media, or publicly voice it, you risk Zelensky’s nazi death squads coming after you.

Posted by: Chris | Mar 8 2023 20:36 utc | 190

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/36316
After thinking for a long time, Washington chose the most obvious defense strategy in the case of the Nord Stream explosion. Since for some reason it did not work to silence the terrorist attack, or to convince the world that the Russians blew themselves up, they had to look for someone to appoint as last. The only option that would suit the entire democratic world could only be a raid by “unknown Zhovto-Blakith avengers.” Of course, they have nothing to do with the United States or the Kiev government, but they simply wanted to annoy Putin so much that they hired a boat, three bindyuzhniks in Odessa, to dive with explosives to the seabed. And on their own initiative they blew up the most complicated technical structure, and then disappeared into the tall rye in black half masks. This ends their trail. Podolyak will report tomorrow that they were partisans from the Baltic Sea. Everything, the investigation is over, forget it.
This performance will soon be played before the world community.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 8 2023 20:37 utc | 191

@ Tom-Q 166
There is a reason why the deep throat went to Hersh.
Hersh has a track record and is an untouchable. If he’s offed, well then the culprits are double indicted.
Hersh is doing a drip, drip. He’s livid Bezos’ blog and the NewYork rag refused to touch it.
There is another plus here for Julian Assange, should he be extradited. There is not a hairline of difference between Hersh’s expose and Assange’s leaks…a great precedence for the legal defense team.

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 8 2023 20:38 utc | 192

Ah deleting comments again because you have no valid response. What makes you any different then the mainstream news?

Posted by: Mr. House | Mar 8 2023 20:45 utc | 193

Tanya @ 171:
Killer dolphins!!! I wonder what species those animals belonged to … orcas?
Are dolphins of any species common in the Baltic Sea? It

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Mar 8 2023 20:47 utc | 194

China quickly chimes in with more reality. It seems the friends of the US must get together for an intervention–only the US and its pet homunculus, the NYT, are continuing hallucinatory and lost at sea at this all but universally arrived conclusion– No sale.
Global Times today:
“The Nord Stream pipeline blast drama just entered a new episode as the New York Times, citing anonymous intelligence officials, said on Tuesday that a pro-Ukraine group sabotaged the pipelines, for which Ukraine denies involvement or knowledge.
Talking about being pro-Ukraine, there is no pro-Ukraine group with the capability and intention to do so other than the US, some netizens from Chinese and overseas social media platforms commented about the NYT report.
Observers said that the report itself was not even worth refuting considering the ambiguous accusation, the unknown source and the vague so-called evidence provided.”

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Mar 8 2023 20:52 utc | 195

@Tom_Q_Collins 185
That and the fact that more and more people and Nato countries are getting ready to throw Ukraine under the bus and let ’em hang out to dry, as they should have long ago
I just read the the US House speaker declined Zelenksy’s invite to do the Kiev walk of shame.
So, yeah support is starting to crumble.
Note though that this will make Ze and his NATO handlers even more desperate and risk-tolerant.

Posted by: Chris | Mar 8 2023 20:56 utc | 196

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 8 2023 20:04 utc | 180
“Kennedy moment”
I think it reaches the “Johnson moment” after bombing of the Liberty ship by the ally, costing many dead and wounded on US side. That was a better cover up and better memory hole, the current crew of very smart people should learn from those guys. This cover up will go into history books for sure. And the announcement of the deed by the President – it will also stay in history as the most damaging promise, maybe will be known as “Biden moment”.

Posted by: fanto | Mar 8 2023 20:59 utc | 197

Posted by: LGB! | Mar 8 2023 20:31 utc | 187
Translation is fine, but a few guys that do not want to fight, what is so strange about that? I guess you could check out the ukro recruiters on kick scooters chasing kids or sending internet dates by nice looking girls for the Romeos to be taken straight to the front lines. It is war my friend, and its best definition is chaos. The guys in Donbass have been at it for eight years and yes, they’re hardened, the new recruits are not and it’s only normal that some of them are shitting in their pants and resent the local guys telling them to go to the front line, a war where in some parts of the front your life is measured in hours. That’s what those crazies in Washington organized, and for us at home, well fed and warm it might look like the super bowl or some sports event, but out of three hundred thousand guys it’s only normal that some of them, which by the way do not show their faces, are reluctant to go kill or be killed. That’s why wars should be avoided, but once the blood starts dripping it soon becomes a river. That doesn’t mean that all of Kaliningrad is about to revolt which is what you’re trying to imply.

Posted by: Paco | Mar 8 2023 21:02 utc | 198

There are lots of Russian pipelines on Ukrainian soil they could have easily blown up.

Posted by: Adam Troy | Mar 8 2023 21:02 utc | 199

I assume we are expected to believe this explanation the same as we were expected to believe Osama bin Laden orchestrated the 9/11/01 attacks from his cell phone in some cave in Afghanistan.

Posted by: WT Baker | Mar 8 2023 21:05 utc | 200