Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
March 10, 2023
Mediated By China Iran And Saudi Arabia Restore Ties – There Are Winners And Losers

This is huge!

Regional rivals Iran and Saudi Arabia agree to restore ties after years of tensions
The deal, which will see the two countries reopen embassies in each other’s capitals, was sealed during a meeting in China and announced Friday in a joint communique.

Archrivals Iran and Saudi Arabia agreed Friday to restore diplomatic relations, a dramatic breakthrough brokered by China after years of soaring tensions between the regional rivals.

The deal, which will see the two countries reopen embassies in each other’s capitals, was sealed during a meeting in China — a boost to Beijing’s efforts to rival the United States as a broker on the global stage.

The agreement also may put a dampener Israel's ongoing efforts to normalize relations with its Arab neighbors.

The talks were held because of a “shared desire to resolve the disagreements between them through dialogue and diplomacy, and in light of their brotherly ties,” according to a joint communique from Tehran, Riyadh and Beijing that was published by the Saudi Press Agency, the country’s official news agency.

The agreement followed intensive negotiations between Ali Shamkhani, a close adviser to Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khameni, and Saudi Arabia’s Minister of State Musaad bin Mohammed Al-Aiban, according to the statement.

It added that the foreign ministers from both countries would “meet to implement this, arrange for the return of their ambassadors, and discuss means of enhancing bilateral relations.”

The joint statement by Saudi Arabia, Iran and China is here:

In response to the noble initiative of His Excellency President Xi Jinping, President of the People’s Republic of China, of China’s support for developing good neighborly relations between the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the Islamic Republic of Iran;

And based on the agreement between His Excellency President Xi Jinping and the leaderships in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, and the Islamic Republic of Iran, whereby the People’s Republic of China would host and sponsor talks between the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the Islamic Republic of Iran;

Proceeding from their shared desire to resolve the disagreements between them through dialogue and diplomacy, and in light of their brotherly ties; …

Congrats to China for nudging this deal forward and making it possible.

There are winners and losers in this.

The winners are:

  • Iran, which will now be even more able to break through the sanctions wall the U.S. has put up around it.
  • Saudi Arabia, which now will likely be able to end its disastrous and costly war on Yemen.
  • China, for outplaying the U.S. State Department by achieving this.
  • Iraq, Syria, Yemen as they will become more peaceful as the two middle powers influencing policies on their grounds end their rivalry.

The losers are:

  • Israel, because the chances for its attempts to get the U.S. into a war with Iran are now diminished. Its hoped for coalition with the Saudis will not come into being.
  • The U.S. for having been outplayed on its traditional 'home grounds' in the Middle East.
  • Anti-Iran hawks everywhere.
  • The Emirates for losing at least some of the sanction busting trade with Iran to Saudi Arabia.

This renewal of relations will change the Middle East:

Tensions between Sunni Muslim powerhouse Saudi Arabia and Iran, which is majority Shiite, have dominated the region for decades.

The two countries have been locked in an intensifying struggle for dominance, their rivalry exacerbated by proxy conflicts, including the war in Yemen.

Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam and the site of its two holiest cities, has historically seen itself as the leader of the Muslim world. The Iranian Revolution of 1979 shook Saudi Arabia and other Gulf kingdoms, which saw the regime in Tehran as a rival.

While tensions brewed for years, Saudi Arabia broke off ties in 2016 after protesters stormed Saudi diplomatic posts in Iran and set fire to the embassy in Tehran.

Days earlier, Saudi Arabia had executed the prominent Shiite cleric Nimr al-Nimr.

“Clearing up the misunderstandings and looking to the future in Tehran-Riyadh relations will definitely lead to the development of regional stability and security and the increase of cooperation between the countries of the Persian Gulf and the Islamic world to manage the existing challenges,” Shamkhani said Friday after signing the deal, according to Press TV.

In 2016 I describe the killing of Nimr al-Nimr as a smart move in the sense of Saudi domestic realpolitik. But I also said that it would lead to escalating costs in Saudi Arabia's regional policies, predominantly in Yemen. That indeed proved to be the case.

Reviving relations between Saudi Arabia and Iran will make a lot of new things possible.

That Iran and Saudi Arabia accepted China's mediation is a recognition of Beijing's new standing in world policies. That alone is enough reason for the White House to hate the deal. 

Comments

I don’t think its been mentioned so far, so here goes…..
What about the US air base’s in Saudi Arabia ?
About as welcome as a turd in a swimming pool id imagine. Embarrassing to all concerned.

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 10 2023 19:27 utc | 101

FYI, since ‘it’ keeps posting a non-comment to a raw website URL, not actual content, and & b keeps deleting, what is this ‘www.jadaliyya.com’ it is relentlessly pushing ?
TL&DR: Perhaps consider block-listing it & ASI, or at least take note for future reference …
An entirely opaque entity. Claims to be a non-profit, volunteer run, unfunded(contributions) entity. One of five sites/entities run under the umbrella (control) of the Arab Studies Institute(.org)(ASI). ASI is primarily funded by George Soros’s Open Society Institute & Foundation to Promote Open Society. Ah …
Depending on the phase of the moon, it is located in:
Washington DC – Beirut (?)
Fairfax – Virginia
Some other place.
Partners

Arab Studies Institute’s ‘Jadaliyya’ has partnered with George Mason University’s Middle East and Islamic Studies Program and the Schar School of Policy and Government to host discussion panels. The Arab Studies Journal is an affiliate of the Center for Contemporary Arab Studies in the Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service(SFS) at Georgetown University, Washington DC.

YMMV

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 10 2023 19:29 utc | 102

Xi, March 9 2023:
Fundamental changes not seen in many centuries are coming.

Posted by: Irish | Mar 10 2023 19:30 utc | 103

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 10 2023 19:25 utc | 101
That is a botch, bad label, need to pay attention.
Can’t handle all this excitment.
Sorry.

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 10 2023 19:32 utc | 104

I think there are two important questions that need to be asked to put this in the proper US-China context.
1. How did China gain the leverage to bring the two sides together? and 2. what prompted China to gain the leverage?
China did not buy any oil from Iran in 2019 because it followed US sanctions and even ended a big oil and gas investment deal in late 2019 because relations were getting better with the US. By December 2022, Chinese purchase of Iranian oil had reached 1.2 million barrels per day. That is a massive lifeline for Iran and gives China huge influence.
2. Why did China go from not buying any Iranian oil to massive quantities? If there is a specific reason beyond simply worse China-US relations, it is the issue of Taiwan. Nothing is more sensitive and sacred for China and instigating conflict over Taiwan causes China to take risks in the Middle East like massively ramp up oil purchases starting in 2020 to a few hundred thousand barrels per day to now 1.2 million barrels per day by the end of 2022.
Neocons were very stupid to not recognize how provoking China over Taiwan and encircling China would lead to China supporting Iran.

Posted by: knockknock | Mar 10 2023 19:37 utc | 105

If this hasn’t already been mentioned in the comments, this deal netween Iran and Saudi Arabia and China’s role as mediator won’t go unnoticed in the rest of the Western Asia / Middle East / North Africa region and beyond. Other countries with disputes with near neighbours might consider China as a mediator. Egypt’s dispute with Ethiopia over the latter’s use of the Blue Nile’s waters for industrial purposes and electricity generation comes to mind. The DRC’s problem with Rwanda over that country stealing DRC diamonds and other valuable minerals in its eastern border areas is one that might also be resolved in Beijing through diplomacy.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Mar 10 2023 19:57 utc | 106

Fundamental changes not seen in many centuries are coming.
Posted by: Irish | Mar 10 2023 19:30 utc | 105
For the better or for the worse to us?

Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 10 2023 20:00 utc | 107

@Irish | Mar 10 2023 19:30 utc | 105

Xi, March 9 2023:
Fundamental changes not seen in many centuries are coming.

“You are living in interesting times”.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 10 2023 20:04 utc | 108

Vikichka | Mar 10 2023 20:00 utc | 109
who is ‘us’?
The events so far appear to be in the interest of humanity… the ROW …

Posted by: crone | Mar 10 2023 20:06 utc | 109

@ 95
Pepe makes a valid observation (not unusual for him).
quote: This is not the “Middle East” – a reductionist, Orientalist notion devised by old colonials: at The Cradle we emphasize the region must be correctly described as West Asia.
And when we think Asia we think China.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 10 2023 20:12 utc | 110

Outraged #8
KSA should close the US Embassy pronto in it’s own best interests …
Add the UK embassy to that. Perfidious Albion should not put step in the middle east from this day on.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 10 2023 20:14 utc | 111

I work in a very public lace and have contacts with many different people. I have a gut feeling that there is a change underway, a realization that we in the West (the rich part at that) have been left behind. Many are confused as the year+ of conditioning creates cognitive dissonances and many double down on it as a reaction. But the moment when denial goes away, the bargaining begins. Watch that phase slowly starting to creep in.

Posted by: alek_a | Mar 10 2023 20:22 utc | 112

The Empire will be quietly furious at this development. One of its basic tools is its ‘divide and conquer’ approach, and Western Asia/Arabian peninsula is a part of the world where it has exploited religious and cultural differences for too many years to count.
Personally, I hope this leads to a positive and constructive resolution in Yemen, the conflict that never appears on the Mighty Wurlitzer of the Empire, unless some ‘fundraising’ NGO needs to pay its CEOs bonus.

Posted by: West of England Andy | Mar 10 2023 20:27 utc | 113

Essentially, the US commands Israel and everything goes through the US before any action is undertaken. Israel is the US’s aircraft carrier for the middle east – from day one….
Posted by: zeke2u | Mar 10 2023 17:27 utc | 70
Adding to irish al’s retort (AIPAC), I’d add a few more focusing words:
—PNAC (Project for the New American Century)
—Pat Buchanan’s famous label of Congress (The Amen Corner)
—The Wolfowitz Doctrine
See where the trail leads. You may look under the rock concealing US ziocon financing of the economic takeover of Russia &Ukraine after the fall of the USSR, under the auspices of the Harvard Institute for International Development and the US Treasury’s Larry Summers along with the State Department’s Agency for International Development.
Nuland didn’t start in 2014 in a vacuum. It was but one major step in the ziocon response to VVP’s neutralizing the oligarchs put in place by the US via Harvard.

Posted by: Ciaran | Mar 10 2023 20:32 utc | 114

And when we think Asia we think China.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 10 2023 20:12 utc | 111
The name Asia came from a small river in Western Turkey. It’s all different ways of expressing a western view of the East viewed from Europe. Asia, Levant, Orient, Middle East, Anatolia. They’re all the same. I’m not sure it matters. A lot of words in English come from irrelevant origins, but it’s what people use to signify something. It’s what it’s used for that counts.

Posted by: laguerre | Mar 10 2023 20:34 utc | 115

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 10 2023 15:02 utc | 12
BINGO DINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDING!!!
This is exactly why Donald “No New Wars” Trump assassinated/murdered Soleimani.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 10 2023 20:39 utc | 116

@irish al #73
Is that all you’ve got? AIPAC is a powerful lobby, but so is AARP, the NRA, US Chamber of Commerce and the American Petroleum Institute. As powerful as AIPAC is, it’s no match for the combined influence of the corporate state or its’ financial arm, Wall Street. It’s absurd to think that a lobby with a $60M budget has an influence over US foreign policy that comes close to what corporate US brings to bear on Washington.

Posted by: zeke2u | Mar 10 2023 20:43 utc | 117

That is not me at #97
Boy we have some butt sore losers pissing on the floor in the bar

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 10 2023 20:43 utc | 118

USA will lash out one way or the other. Perhaps “ISIS” and Sullivan’s “on our side” al-Qaeda will rear their ugly heads yet again.
The simply truth is Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Yemen need all the help in weapons they can get to kick US proxies and US forces out, if they start doing some lashing out.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 10 2023 20:45 utc | 119

This is indeed really huge. 3 Years ago on January 3rd, the U.S. empire even assassinated Qasem Soleimani to prevent this exact rapprochement.
China has showed itself as a peace broker, mender of differences and bridge builder.
Another loser is the U.S. military-industrial complex which will loose lucrative contracts given the upper seats (Congress) of the empire will likely prevent weapon deliveries in an attempt to put pressure. Probably some 9/11 stuff, true or not, will soon make its way to CIA outlets NYT, Washington Post, etcetera.
Either way, I wouldn’t be surprised if the U.S. empire would send its second horse(wo)men, creator of (civil) war, conflict, and strife, Samantha Power to pay Saudi Arabia a visit soon like she did with Hungary because it wasn’t sufficiently towing the NATO line.

Posted by: xor | Mar 10 2023 20:50 utc | 120

Posted by: zeke2u | Mar 10 2023 20:43 utc | 118
Fella, you are embarrassing yourself here.

Posted by: irish al | Mar 10 2023 20:53 utc | 121

Posted by: zeke2u | Mar 10 2023 17:27 utc | 70 and the rest
Sounds to me like hasbara concern trolling, dunno about anyone else. The US may have, for Cold War purposes, used Israel as its “aircraft carrier” in the ME, but it’s not the US that cares so much about Arab unity. That would be the right Zionist faction currently leading the apartheid settler-colonial state with some of the most powerful lobbies in the US and UK.
Ever heard of cordyceps fungus? It’s big in popular culture at the moment due to a TV drama series based on a highly successful video game in the US. But if you’d ever watched Nature Channel or the like you already know that it’s a fungus that acts as a parasite of sorts on ants in SE Asia. Israel is cordyceps to the USSA. A parasite that causes strange and self-harming behaviors in the host.
P.S. Israel’s AIPAC lobby (and its equivalent in the UK) are infamous for using their power and leverage to destroy LEFT leaning candidates like Bernie Sanders (tried, but he was shut down by other means and parties) and Jeremy Corbyn – for the ostensible reason that they support Palestinian rights. But this hurts working class people in both countries tremendously. I’d rather have affordable healthcare than being forced to send billions of dollars to Israel every year*.
*And yes, I know that a substantial amount of that money comes “back” to the US in the form of weapons sales and other military contracts – none of which benefit 99% of the working class, but also happen to help the surveillance state tremendously through technology (Pegasus?) and training (most US police departments and federal police train with IDF, ridiculously – unless they’re preparing for an Israeli style occupation of the working class?).
Sincerely,
Tom

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 10 2023 21:00 utc | 122

circumspect #34
>”I though I felt the shock wave of a hundred NEOCON heads exploding.”
Thank you, that’s a great line. I would have preferred a thousand of course.
With any humanity the winds of change will bring peace in Yemen. Time will tell.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 10 2023 21:03 utc | 123

RE: The weak and powerless AIPAC – https://lobelog.com/aipac-bristles-at-obamas-reminder-of-iraq-war-lobbying/
Don’t forget about the role they played (and laughably now deny – like all Bush/Cheney supporters of the time) in pushing the US toward invading Iraq in 2003.
Also don’t forget AIPAC’s role in pushing Trump to exit the nuclear deal with Iran. Besides, at their annual convention the friggin President of the USA is usually present and on the podium, FFS.
Sounds like just another powerless lobby doesn’t it?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 10 2023 21:06 utc | 124

@irish al #122
The US constructed and defends a global system subordinate to the needs of its’ investors. Israel didn’t militarily occupy the Persian Gulf. It didn’t invade Iraq. It doesn’t control Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Qatar, Kuwait and Egypt through a system of veiled colonialism. The US is an imperialist power, Israel isn’t….what’s embarrassing is the cognitive dissonance that turns things upside down…Mearsheimer and Walt lead this up is down, down is up movement….

Posted by: zeke2u | Mar 10 2023 21:10 utc | 125

I hope this is the beginning of the end of the Suffering of Yemenis. I don’t see how the two countries can agree to have diplomatic relations without resolving the Yemeni war. The biggest losers are US and Israel. Less arms profits for MIC. Other Arab countries will follow.

Posted by: AF82Matrix | Mar 10 2023 21:14 utc | 126

I must say it’s great to walk into a bar with such an atmosphere of merriment and jovality !
Champagne corks popping, loud laughter, fair warms the heart.
Just to add to the enjoyment…
So… that ‘rules based order’ we all heard about ?
Ha ha ha, Now it ain’t America thats making the rules anymore!
Ha ha haaaa, drinks are on me everyone.

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 10 2023 21:14 utc | 127

Posted by: zeke2u | Mar 10 2023 21:10 utc | 126
You’re an american, aren’t you.

Posted by: irish al | Mar 10 2023 21:16 utc | 128

Oriental Voice @95–
Thanks for your reply. This rapprochement was long in the making but also anticipated once Iran was admitted to SCO. That act sent a very strong message to the Arab World and the Persian Gulf region specifically. Empire and Zionist betrayals certainly greased the skid, particularly the recent heinous acts against Palestinians cheered on by the Occupied Palestine government. I’m very pleased with this occurrence as it confirms my comment yesterday about how the Multipolar World will be formed.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 10 2023 21:16 utc | 129

I can’t wait to hear the Neocons on FOX bellow,

‘this never would have happened during the Trump Administration!’

Posted by: Christian Chuba | Mar 10 2023 21:17 utc | 130

Posted by: zeke2u | Mar 10 2023 21:10 utc | 126
Ridiculous. Orwellian, even. Let’s settle this with a simple quiz.
Do powerful US interests – non Israeli dual citizen led – influence domestic politics in Israel through a unified lobby? How (what policies) and and to what degree?
Let’s hear from former CIA employee about US sovereignty where Israel and its lobby is concerned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-SszJkjy60
And since you will inevitably attempt to smear Giraldi as a raving anti-Semite, let’s have a look at the weak sauce section on him at USG infiltrated Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Giraldi

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 10 2023 21:19 utc | 131

This is certainly a positive news and big first step to calm things down between neighbors and the region.
However, we shouldn’t underestimate the hubris and spitefulness of the empire and its Zionist apparatchiks. They thrive in chaos and division. Already the signs of are coming up in Georgia, Peru and elsewhere.
Victor Orban is warning of west’s armies getting ready to march in Ukraine any minute. I would not underestimate the stupidity of these people. I could just see Nuland et al sitting in the NSC and telling the mummy that US’s prestige and empire is in grave danger unless we do something big and daring.
One thing is for sure. The empire and its dogs will not go away quietly in peace. On the contrary, they will have to be dragged our of their throne clawing and downright destroying everything around them.
Be prepared for a bigger disaster soon.

Posted by: Alpi | Mar 10 2023 21:19 utc | 132

@ zeke2u | Mar 10 2023 21:10 utc | 126 who is into obfuscation more than seeking clarity
The US is the face of a global private finance imperialist power, not the guts.
Who and what exactly are the guts? It seems that those guts “gave” Occupied Palestine its existence back in 1948 and have been defending its occupation and genocide ever since.
Occupied Palestine is part of the guts of empire.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 10 2023 21:20 utc | 133

Posted by: zeke2u | Mar 10 2023 21:10 utc | 126
It may help your perspective to take a few steps back and have another look.

Posted by: irish al | Mar 10 2023 21:23 utc | 134

You’re an american, aren’t you.

Posted by: irish al | Mar 10 2023 21:16 utc | 129
I don’t think he’s* Palestinian…
*apologies to @zeke2u if I misgendered you…

Posted by: West of England Andy | Mar 10 2023 21:25 utc | 135

@Tom_Q_Collins #125
Don’t put words in my post that I didn’t write….I never said AIPAC was powerless. But the Middle East is a mess not because Israel is a theocratic state. It’s because of two forces fighting over who will benefit from West Asia’s petroleum resources – the local population, or investors in New York.

Posted by: zeke2u | Mar 10 2023 21:25 utc | 136

Zeke2u
Dont forget all those Israeli
duel nationals in both republican and democrat partys.
Maybe someone could put a figure on it. And a %

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 10 2023 21:27 utc | 137

Posted by: zeke2u | Mar 10 2023 21:25 utc | 137
I kind of agree with you there, but I do believe that the tail is very much wagging the dog.

Posted by: irish al | Mar 10 2023 21:33 utc | 138

I don’t know what all this celebrating is. it only took Russia 30 or so years to restart the Caliphate, I mean Cold war. Freedom is always under threat and on the march. And freedom marches on freedom fries.
“he who sits in the heavens laughs…” it’s nice to have the divine perspective. the mockery of the USG…deserved doesn’t begin to cut it. but we’ll back to reality very quickly, esp here in God’s very own New World.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 10 2023 21:34 utc | 139

I support a Palestinian state where both Jews and Arabs could peacefully coexist. They are after all, both Semitic. And I don’t support Zionism. But, the question of imperialism and who sets the policy for imperialist states, with just a little thought, should be obvious. But, apparently it isn’t….

Posted by: zeke2u | Mar 10 2023 21:37 utc | 140

Posted by: rjb1.5 | March 10, 2023 at 21:34
I predict the next US battlefront will be Mexico. lots of oil and cabrons, scapegoats. recover the dollar thru crushing the peso. these killer clowns ain’t taking on beijing or tehran. some saudis might get a bullet, but probably won’t change anything. look out AMLO. better keep those cotton picker immigrants out of our for profit ICE facilities! and get those for-profit drug cartels under national control. Stat!

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 10 2023 21:38 utc | 141

Posted by: zeke2u | Mar 10 2023 21:37 utc | 141
Gets better again. Follow the money.

Posted by: irish al | Mar 10 2023 21:39 utc | 142

As I recall this event is going to be followed next week by Russia mediated meeting between Syria and Turkie
That sets the stage for China to mediate between “Russia et al” and empire et el
I keep thinking about all those Americans around me that don’t have a clue what is happening in our world

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 10 2023 21:49 utc | 143

Posted by: zeke2u | Mar 10 2023 21:37 utc | 141
Do the American people, via the US government, have a powerful lobby in Israel dedicated to influencing domestic Israeli policy?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 10 2023 21:54 utc | 144

Phychohistorian @ 144
Very good and serious point.
We have to remember that the end of the American rules based order will parodoxacly benifit the American public.
Look at all the tax payer money gouged out of the people to fund all there crazy escapades abroad.
Finding its way by deveous meens into the pockets of the elite and corporate entreaties.

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 10 2023 21:59 utc | 145

My @146
Enterties not entretise

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 10 2023 22:01 utc | 146

About the loser, Israel: you make it sound as if Israel tells the US what to do. [..]. Essentially, the US commands Israel and everything goes through the US before any action is undertaken.
Posted by: zeke2u | Mar 10 2023 17:27 utc | 70
It is clear that Israeli leaders, their delegates and lobbyists all the time tell US what to do. Their “access” is unparalleled. I also do not recall a notable example of US “commanding Israel”.
That said, there are limits of what US does according to Israeli dictations, and starting a war with Iran is not something Pentagon can agree to. Compare American military and economic vulnerabilities in cases of a war with China and Iran. Military bases and fleet in Persian Gulf would be exposed to amply stocks of short/medium range missiles from Iran, with documented performance, and shutting down Strait of Hormuz would have immediate impact on psychologically crucial gasoline prices. I guess in a longer time frame, conflict with China is worse.
So an attack on Iran seems “a bridge to far” in “unshakable allience”. But it is hard for me to find another example when US listens to Israel and does not follow.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 10 2023 22:02 utc | 147

Posted by: Appalled | Mar 10 2023 17:11 utc | 62
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Ridiculous and naive moral grand standing.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 10 2023 22:06 utc | 148

We have to remember that the end of the American rules based order will parodoxicaly benefit the American public.
Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 10 2023 21:59 utc | 146
Clearly, the rules are not written in East Palestine or with such communities in mind. Real estate in financial centers may crush etc. East Palestine, where folks are OK as long as their chicken are alive and real estate habitable (although they would live better with industry revival), has totally different gains and vulnerabilities than NYC, San Francisco etc.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 10 2023 22:09 utc | 149

It appears the Arabs have awakened sooner than the Europeans. This is indeed a HUGE surprise; a huge good surprise! 2023 is looking like a pivotal year for change.
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Mar 10 2023 19:15 utc | 95
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I can remember a Peter Schiff video from a decade or so ago, and he was speaking to Arab investors about alternatives to USD holdings at some conference. He was well received at the time. I thought to myself, “these Arabs are forward thinking about investing” and “Schiff only has one song to sing, and he sings it well”.
In a mass delusion, the one who wakes up first and takes action can reap immense rewards while everyone else is squandering time and energy in under that psychosis.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 10 2023 22:14 utc | 150

For the better or for the worse to us?
Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 10 2023 20:00 utc | 108
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I suspect it will be what each individual makes of it. Sink or swim. The exams never really stop throughout our lives.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 10 2023 22:17 utc | 151

zeke2u @141–
The vast majority of “Jews” residing within Occupied Palestine are NOT Semitic. Their Hebrew language is Semitic. The ethnic background of those living within the exclusivist portion of Palestine is European, Slavic in millions of cases. The Zionists that formulated Zionism weren’t Semitic either. And when they’re examined, most of the Settlers aren’t really Jewish at all as their behavior proves. Indeed, Orthodox Jews who know their Torah disavow Occupied Palestine’s existence as an abomination against Yahweh. And I’m just scratching the surface of the history of Jewish Travails who brought their fate upon themselves by refusing to obey Yahweh’s Laws.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 10 2023 22:20 utc | 152

Piotr Berman @ 148
America and Israil relationship are as you say…
Symbiotic.
Piotr Berman @ 150
Agree what you say makes perfect sense there.
But I love the karma and natural justice in that very point.
The very Americans that have benefited from parasitic commerce around the world will be hardest hit.
Rightly so.

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 10 2023 22:26 utc | 153

expect a major western stock market crash go off soon. From neocons’ point of view there are now too many bad things happening that could make the petrodollar deception crumple. Russia is devastating the NATO-Neonazis in Artemovsk (Bakhmut). Iran-SA rapprochement mean a new Eurasia-centric global energy structure within SCO-BRIC+ countries with non-western currencies.

Posted by: maskazer | Mar 10 2023 22:27 utc | 154

Here comes the blowback. ‘Waning influence’, ‘slap in the face’, ‘middle-finger’…
“Saudi Arabia and Iran have restored ties with the help of China, agreeing to reopen embassies in their respective capitals, in a move that appears to signal the US’s waning influence in the region.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/saudi-arabia-making-peace-iran-190355914.html

Posted by: dh | Mar 10 2023 22:28 utc | 155

Westernaganda will suddenly rediscover that Muhammad bin Salman Al Saud is a terrorist supporting, bonesaw wielding, genocidal war criminal, won’t it.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Mar 10 2023 22:35 utc | 156

De-dollarization kills its first US bank
Silicon Valley Bank with $200 billion in assets has collapsed and been taken over by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC). The reason for the collapse is not bad loans to failed businesses, but the bank’s holdings of US Treasury bonds! The rise of interest rates has caused older bond holdings to lose a large proportion of their value. T-Bonds — once the gold standard in asset valuation — have become the poison pill that kills banks.

Silicon Valley Bank is shut down by regulators in biggest bank failure since global financial crisisCNBC, March 10, 2023
Financial regulators have closed Silicon Valley Bank and taken control of its deposits, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. announced Friday, in what is the largest U.S. bank failure since the global financial crisis more than a decade ago.
The collapse of SVB, a key player in the tech and venture capital community, leaves companies and wealthy individuals largely unsure of what will happen to their money.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Mar 10 2023 22:39 utc | 157

Houston, we have a problem.
Upon re-entry spaceship is disintegrating quickly
Best case scenario would be complete disintegration
In atmosphere . The collective west has been drifting in space for a long time.

Posted by: Dingo | Mar 10 2023 22:50 utc | 158

Iran penetrated Technion’s sensitive databases containing cyber-warfare and weapons development mid-February.

Posted by: Oui | Mar 10 2023 22:53 utc | 159

Saudi Arabia was coming to the table from a position of weakness. Even though it hasn’t been in the news much lately, the war in Yemen is costing Saudi Arabia a fortune and they’ve been burning through reserves by cashing in their US treasuries. Oil hasn’t been high enough for long enough to offset their losses. To make matters worse, they’re only 7 years away from Vision 2030 (their plan to get off oil) and it has gone nowhere.

Posted by: let’s get bizzay | Mar 10 2023 22:57 utc | 160

“The threat of a nuclear Iran is not just for Israel, it is for the Middle East and America. We are focused on this,” says U.S. ambassador Tom Nides. “The cooperation between Israel and the US vis-a-vis Iran is lockstep. Every day.”

US Ambassador Tells Israel “We’ve Got Your Back” If You Attack Iran | Richard Silverstein |

Posted by: Oui | Mar 10 2023 23:00 utc | 161

Iran finalizes deal to buy Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets from Russia
Iran has just delivered two cargoships with ammo to Russia.

Posted by: Oui | Mar 10 2023 23:04 utc | 162

One quibble, b:

The Emirates for losing at least some of the sanction busting trade with Iran to Saudi Arabia.

The Emirates are winners here too:
– The Emirates do almost everything behalf of the Saudis in terms of business transactions and facilitation.
– They will therefore benefit as middlemen in (potentially) the now/future legitimate trade and relations between Saudi Arabia and Iran …
It makes sense that this legitimate trade would outstrip the previously ‘illicit’ one …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 10 2023 23:10 utc | 163

Any chance Israël pivots east, too?
Despite their history and ties, they have a lot more to gain by joining BRICS than staying with the sickos.
Posted by: natokraine | Mar 10 2023 14:33 utc | 2

Israel bombs Iran. Iran is a candidate (behind Argentina) to join BRICS. Israel has the current world leader – the USA – allowing them to terrorize and takeover the occupied territory, backing them in each UN resolution against Israel, and paying them billions of dollars a year (some of which comes back to the USA Senate), apparently forever. They would lose a lot if they got the USA mad at them.
Nancy Pelosi went to the annual lobbyist meeting of AIPAC and said that if the USA capitol crumbled to the ground, the one thing that would remain was our aid (she then quickly changed to “cooperation”) to Israel. That’s how much Israel has the USA Congress bought and paid for.

Posted by: Simon | Mar 10 2023 23:14 utc | 164

[Intro:] Central bank digital currency (CBDC) will end human freedom. Don’t fall for the assurances of safeguards, the promises of anonymity and of data protection. They are all deceptions and diversions to obscure the malevolent intent behind the global rollout of CBDC.
Central Bank Digital Currency is the most comprehensive, far-reaching, authoritarian social control mechanism ever devised. Its “interoperability” will enable the CBDCs issued by various national central banks to be networked to form one, centralised global CBDC surveillance and control system.
Should we allow it to prevail, CBDC will deliver the global governance of humanity into the hands of the bankers.
CBDC is unlike any kind of “money” with which we are familiar. It is programmable and “smart contracts” can be written into its code to control the terms and conditions of the transaction.
Policy decisions and broader policy agendas, restricting our lives as desired, can be enforced using CBDC without any need of legislation. Democratic accountability, already a farcical concept, will become literally meaningless.
CBDC will enable genuinely unprecedented levels of surveillance, as every transaction we make will be monitored and controlled. Not just the products, goods and services we buy, even the transactions we make with each other will be overseen by the central bankers of the global governance state. Data gathering will expand to encompass every aspect of our lives.

https://off-guardian.org/2023/03/07/central-bank-digital-currency-is-the-endgame-part-1/
So while on the one end this welcome news which BTW includes China’s first Big Move on the chess board post Ukraine op and thus presumably a New Phase getting underway, I can’t help but keep wondering about this other CBDC angle which both Russia, China and Ukraine (amongst nearly every other other) is busy testing right now. What sort of ‘multipolar’ world will we have if it is all using CBDC’s?
There are quite a few benign or not possibilities but for now it remains a mystery. Except we do know that many not benign players are indicating they will be going ahead with this in the not too distant future. Maybe some zones in the multipolar paradigm will use the tech wisely and others to establish totalitarian dystopias.
In any case, it looms on the horizon potentially dwarfing this latest news. And again, still with so many mainly (indeed not even yet addressed) questions; this in itself, frankly, is a bad, not a good, sign.

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 10 2023 23:15 utc | 165

I see this as a great victory for Chinese prestige and world stature (and a blow to the American ego), but otherwise I’m not sure it means all that much. The Saudis have a history of being notoriously untrustworthy, and I doubt that’s changing all of a sudden. And part of that untrustworthiness is the Saudis’ under-the-table friendship with Occupied Palestine.
And speaking of Occupied Palestine, let’s not get all starry-eyed about the protests there. Israeli Jews hate, fear, and despise the Palestinians (and, for that matter, just about everyone else) much more than they yammer at each other. Civil war? Not a chance.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 10 2023 23:18 utc | 166

Going to be hilarious to read how the State Department will spin this to give the appearance that they are still relevant in the world.
Tough sell. Tough crowd.
Still, what is the alternative? Admit that the Saudis no longer give a shit what they think?
Unthinkable!

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Mar 10 2023 23:18 utc | 167

@ Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 10 2023 21:00 utc | 123
The only Palestinian right Bernie Sanders has ever supported is the “right” not to be bombed “disproportionately.”

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 10 2023 23:22 utc | 168

Zeke2u
Dont forget all those Israeli
duel nationals in both republican and democrat partys.
Maybe someone could put a figure on it. And a %
Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 10 2023 21:27 utc | 138

Would be interesting. For me, it’s enough to know that the only American Chuck Schumer has ever worked tirelessly to support has been American traitor and Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 10 2023 23:25 utc | 169

Possible headline: “China threatens US arms markets”.
Interesting times, indeed.

Posted by: Billb | Mar 10 2023 23:32 utc | 170

FJB and Macron are getting bitch slapped all over Zone B.

Posted by: Longtrail | Mar 10 2023 23:38 utc | 171

@Paul Greenwood 12
I remember, shortly after the assassination of Soleimani, spokesmen for the governments of Iraq, Iran and Saudi Arabia separately said that Soleimani was on a peace mission when he was assassinated.
(What didn’t get said was their presumed shared commitment to get the U.S. out of the Middle East.)

Posted by: John Schmeeckle | Mar 10 2023 23:43 utc | 172

Amongst other things, what we are witnessing is the process of weaponisation of oil and gas continue to unfold and pick up speed.
Russia-China-Iran-Saudi Arabia is, amongst other things, a massive PetroState collective forming, plus all the other RoW reserves that China’s BRI is building out.
The US will intensify its play for what it can still access. Isolating and weakening Russia backfired, and Europe won’t play nice with the Americans for much longer. Indeed, they’ve been accessing Russian energy through the backdoor, and i don’t think they will stay with the sanctions indefinitely.
Gaza is sitting on top of a huge section of the Levant Basin gas fields. Israeli military occupation of the Palestinian territories since 1967 and the blockade of the Gaza Strip since 2007 have prevented the Palestinian people from exercising any control over it. Instead, Israel (and the US by ally association) has sole access.
While on Canadian territory, Canada’s tarsands are majority US corporations owned. And a significant portion of the vast offshore oil and gas fields in Newfoundland are US owned.
The US just made an oil deal with Venezuela but then this week decided not to lift any of its sanctions.
It’s already dirty and gonna get alot dirtier before it gets multipolar, or before the multipolar can actually work the magic we’re all hoping for.
China knows this. China didn’t build the Karakoram Highway, super wide and to military grade, up at the top of the world in the middle of “nowhere,” connecting mainland China to the Pakistani border, for nothing. Like Russia, they have been very slow and steady.
As Xi just said: Fundamental changes not seen in many centuries are coming.

Posted by: Irish | Mar 10 2023 23:43 utc | 173

Pepe Escobar has an excellent article, “Moveable Multipolarity in Moscow: Ridin’ the ‘Newcoin’ Train”, dealing with the parameters of a new international form of “outside money.” Personally, I was very pleased to read this as for me it’s very timely as I’m about to write an essay on my hypothetical construction of a new “outside money” system that energizes multipolarity’s growth in that it helps draw nations closer together so interests can be shared–for example, the shared interest of abandoning dollar hegemony for an international system that facilitates both trade and development, both of which are major Global South interests and considerations. Pepe’s article’s also timely due to the Hudson/Desai show’s airing of its third instalment on dedollarization.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 10 2023 23:45 utc | 174

Speculation viz CBDC stuff:
1. Picture tells a story: https://off-guardian.org/wp-content/medialibrary/GPPP.png?x46269
2. Possibility 1: this is a picture of a dinosaur soon to be yesterday’s news/paradigm. Am not ready to go with that yet, only regard it (perhaps) as a ‘consummation devoutly to be wished.’
2. Possibility 2: this is a picture of the current matrix from which new iterations will soon be forthcoming (as per the article).
Now the speculation (from #2):
The current nation-state entrenched power networks are going to ease out, leaving the nation state populations and local systems floundering helplessly (though perhaps able to reconstitute should they so choose, albeit with very little access to that which gives nation states power these days, ie currency-money-credit issuance and control). The Elites are going to resurface in most of the global institutions in the picture which will become increasingly prominent soon.
The powers inherent in the CBDC system (as described in the article and many others like it) will make any need to appear as part of the local/indigenous political/representative system unnecessary because essentially the whole world will be like a giant machine and the new overlords the more or less invisible mechanics in the background who keep it running. They will be the (AI et alia) programmers dictating what the machine does, where – if a vehicle – it takes us, whether or not we can ride in it and so forth, again all controlled via the CBDC mechanisms which might control much more than transactions alone, for example which streets and buildings we can enter or leave, whether or not a city has adequate water supply or food deliveries or a country is reported (by AI journalists) to be at war and so forth – no end of micro and macro algorithms-protocols-experiences.
Perhaps it will be like the Truman World (?) movie where people live in a generated reality without seeing who or what is operating it beyond their field of vision, which is bounded by a screen with images of the sky. Perhaps Huxley’s vision will win out over Orwell’s as he claimed would unfold…
This being the case, quite possibly the entire Israel project and also AIPAC, for example, may soon be jettisoned because the need for territorially defined nation states with central bank controlled populations will recede because representative politics will no longer be the norm; rather (for the elites) there will be discrete class-based zones all over with tightly restricted access, in many cases virtually invisible to outsiders who will neither read about them nor be able to purchase tickets or enter due to universal digital controls.
In other words, the reason the elites are seemingly crashing the West (though some prefer to believe that China-Russia are now geopolitically eating their lunch) is because they are in the process of shedding their current skins – or leaving their current host bodies if you prefer – indeed preparing the way for the next set of incarnations in entirely different body politics where they will have shape-shifted into entirely different configurations and identities.
A small out of the way article came out recently with curious findings about the seeming disappearance of Jews in many sectors in the US, a recent and rapid shift.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/the-vanishing
I don’t know if this is true or false, but this is a venerable Jewish-interest publication and either way looks like a narrative of interest. Whether it has legs as such remains to be seen. In any case, it is quite curious and I suspect foreshadows a veritable sea-change. Of course it might just mean that things are going to get extremely ugly with mass riots, arrests, civil war etc. in the US, in which case the decks are being cleared of those who might otherwise get caught in no end of deadly cross-fires.
Time will tell….

Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 10 2023 23:59 utc | 175

This global realignment away from US to China will succeed because because China offers countries support and stabilization, whereas the US offers vassalage and destabilization

Posted by: Willow | Mar 11 2023 0:09 utc | 176

karlof1 @175
Many thanks for your info the other day about the Threat Assessment document. I’ve been able to put it to good use elsewhere.
Cheers

Posted by: Steve Davis | Mar 11 2023 0:13 utc | 177

Color revolutions are also a real threat to the Saudis. Saudi Arabia is already swimming with AQ/Daesh financiers and their ranks could easily grow considering all of the citizens who aren’t happy with the social reforms. Could easily turn into Syria 2.0.

Posted by: let’s get bizzay | Mar 11 2023 0:20 utc | 178

Continuing from #173, the issue of the murder of Soleimani came up on Twitter a couple months ago, in the wake of the Iraqi Supreme Court’s indictment of Trump, who could now be arrested if he dares to travel abroad.

https://twitter.com/john_schmeeckle/status/1612773582911815682?s=20

Posted by: John Schmeeckle | Mar 11 2023 0:21 utc | 179

China says let it go. From today forward.choose peace. This hasn’t hit western MSM in my area. It’s ridiculous to see China as an aggressive country, and calling the US out in Syria. Hopefully this doesn’t get Jan 6ed and we gotta wait two years before our friends and families join us in the same reality. Blessed to be a witness is how I feel rn.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Mar 11 2023 0:24 utc | 180

@LoveDonbass | 149
“Ridiculous and naive moral grand standing.”
I apologize for offending you.
My comment was directed at Bernard and not meant to offend the ill-informed.

Posted by: Appalled | Mar 11 2023 0:36 utc | 181

“think the big loser in this is Occupied Palestine and I look forward to that loss building momentum.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 10 2023 15:09 “
Could you please elaborate on how you see the Palestinians as a loser in this?

Posted by: Man | Mar 11 2023 0:45 utc | 182

@ Man | Mar 11 2023 0:45 utc | 183
“Occupied Palestine” = “Israeli” squatter state

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 11 2023 0:46 utc | 183

# Of Biden’s 6 Trillion + budget proposal ..
2/3 go to War-efforts, Law enforcements, and Prisons …
# AIPAC remains extremely powerful …. it is the tail that wags the US dog and large elements of the Financial System –
# The Desai/Hudson series on GeoPoliticalEconomy – U Tube – is excellent
@CPC
Nice one!
# The Saudis are not the only ones dumping some of their US Treasuries … China, Japan and most other central banks are following suit ….

Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 11 2023 0:48 utc | 184

@Willow 177
I’m all for multipolarity and all the good things it promises to bring.
But i’m under no illusions.
China is no saing.
They were brutal in Tibet and when the rolled over your man in Tianamen Square that time.
It is a highly organised and controlled society, with its fair share of state mandate climate destroying policies.
And yes, absolutely, the US offers destabilization. In fact, it is its weapon of choice.
The world is but a stage…full of sound and fury.

Posted by: Irish | Mar 11 2023 0:51 utc | 185

Israel’s governing coalition is inordinately at the mercy of racist, murderous, Islamophobic, land stealing, crypto-fascist Zionists who control several minority parties.
Saudi Arabia has to weigh the risk of them arranging for Saudi Arabia getting stabbed in the back by Israel’s government down the road, regardless of any eminently sensible mutually beneficial understandings that they currently have. Normalizing relations with Iran gives Saudi Arabia a bigger stick to go along with its carrots.
Hopefully the moderates in Israel, along with the not inconsiderable number of Israelis who genuinely embrace peace and inclusivity with Palestinians, will be able to use this disaster for the Netanyahu led government to trounce them at the next election, and maybe even force a no confidence vote before then. All that would take is for one group within that barely big enough nightmarish collection of parties to smell disaster, and reasoning that bailing on it now could save them from being obliterated on election day.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Mar 11 2023 0:52 utc | 186

“Who lost Saudi?”
“March 10, 2023
An unnamed senior Israeli political official blamed former Prime Ministers Yair Lapid and Naftali Bennett Friday for the China-brokered deal between Saudi Arabia and Iran renewing diplomatic relations, following criticism from the opposition to the Benjamin Netanyahu government at missing opportunity to improve relations with Arab states.
The official told Israeli paper Ynet that it’s perception of weakness by Saudi of the Lapid-Bennett governments, and of US that drew Saudi closer to Iran via China. “The contacts between the countries started a year ago, during the term of the previous government, because there was a feeling of Israeli and American weakness. Weakness brings rapprochement with Iran, while strength pushes rapprochement away.”
“It is important to form a strong position against Iran, both in the United States and in Europe. The Israeli policy of preventing Iran from arming itself does not depend on the support of any country,” he added, attempting to defend the Netanyahu who has prioritized his own rapprochement with Saudi.
According to the official, efforts will continue for an Israeli rapprochement with Riyadh. “The contacts are frequent and the basic picture did not change. The stronger the Western position against Iran is, the less significant their relations with Saudi Arabia will be.”
Lapid’s office rejected the accusation. It responded, “These are delusional statements. During the period of our government, an aviation agreement was signed with Saudi Arabia and the tripartite security agreement with Saudi Arabia and Egypt.”
He went on to fault Netanyahu for undermining relations with Washington. “All of this came to a halt when the most extreme government in Israel’s history was established here, and it became clear to the Saudis that [Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu was weak and the Americans stopped listening to him. Apparently, the Italian wine blurred Mr. Netanyahu’s memory.”
Earlier on Friday, Lapid warned, “The [Saudi-Iran] agreement is a complete and dangerous failure of the Israeli government’s foreign policy.” Attacking the coalition on its judicial overhaul plan, Lapid said, “This is what happens when you deal all day long with legal madness instead of doing what’s needs to be done vis-à-vis Iran and instead of strengthening relations with the United States.”
Former Prime Minister Naftali Bennett echoed Lapid’s statement, saying, “The renewal of relations between Saudi Arabia and Iran is a serious and dangerous development for Israel, a political victory for Iran and a fatal blow to the effort to build a regional coalition against Iran. It is a resounding failure of the Netanyahu government, stemming from a combination of diplomatic neglect with general weakness and internal conflict in the country. ”
Bennett added, “The countries of the world and the region watch Israel and see a country in conflict, with a dysfunctional government. And so these countries choose a side. The Netanyahu government is a resounding economic, political and security failure. Every day, its actions endanger the State of Israel.”
Senior opposition member Gideon Saar, who is also member of the Knesset’s foreign affairs and security committee, tweeted, “Netanyahu promised peace with the Saudis. But eventually [the Saudis] made peace with Iran.”
Chair of the Knesset’s foreign affairs and security committee Yuli Edelstein said that the agreement “is very bad for Israel and for the entire free world,” adding, “The world does not stop while we are busy here with power struggles and clashes — certainly not our worst enemy.”
The news of the agreement came as Netanyahu was in Rome for his meeting with Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni. Speaking with Italian businesspeople before the publication of the agreement, Netanyahu said, “I think the possibilities will grow beyond imagination if we are successful with another goal that I have, and that is to achieve normalization and peace with Saudi Arabia. One of my central goals is to achieve normalization with Saudi Arabia.”
Netanyahu noted that the economic possibilities are obvious, such as a pipeline connecting Saudi Arabia and the Haifa port, and into Europe.
The Israeli press noted that Netanyahu’s optimistic words before the publication of the agreement clearly showed he was out of the loop and that the Saudi decision shows that Riyadh does not believe Israel has a viable possibility of striking the Iranian nuclear plans and destroying the Iranian nuclear program.”
https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2023/03/israeli-leaders-trade-accusations-over-saudi-iran-rapprochement-chinaochement-china#ixzz7vbea9bvh

Posted by: daffyDuct | Mar 11 2023 0:58 utc | 187

Before Feb 2022, Ukraine was all of these things to the world.
After all is done and dusted in this current phase of new world order stuff going on right now in Ukraine,
how does all this get redistributed? absorbed? realigned? in a calm coherent peaceful way?
Ukraine used to be:
1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves;
2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world’s reserves);
2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);
2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;
3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)
4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)
Ukraine is an agricultural country:
1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world’s volume);
1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;
3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
5th largest rye producer in the world;
5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
8th place in the world in wheat exports;
9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
16th place in the world in cheese exports.
Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.
Ukraine is an industrialized country:
1st in Europe in ammonia production;
2-е Europe’s and 4th largest natural gas pipeline system in the world (142.5 bln cubic meters of gas throughput capacity in the EU);
3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);
3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
3rd largest iron exporter in the world
4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
4th world’s largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
4th place in the world in clay exports
4th place in the world in titanium exports
8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
9th place in the world in exports of defence industry products;
10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).
Source: Andriy Futey
Ukrainian Congress Committee of America Ukrainian World Congress – Свiтовий Конґрес Українців 🇺🇦

Posted by: Irish | Mar 11 2023 1:12 utc | 188

‘daffyDuct #188
Ta for that. Yes, looks like Netanyahu was very much ‘out of the loop’ – and what about Israeli intelligence?
His internal enemies will be having a field-day on this one …. it might even topple him again ..

Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 11 2023 1:21 utc | 189

Haaretz Analysis
Analysis | Saudi-Iran Rapprochement: In China’s Middle East, Israel Has Little Influence
Israel’s dream of forming an Arab alliance against Iran was shattered on Friday with the news that China had brokered the restoration of diplomatic ties between Iran and Saudi Arabia
Israel’s dream of forming an Arab alliance against Iran was shattered on Friday with the news that Iran and Saudi Arabia have agreed to restore diplomatic ties within two months. The dramatic announcement is likely to redraw the regional map of friends and foes, and will have global reverberations. The agreement provides Iran with much-needed legitimacy in the Arab world, and could lead to further deals with Arab states like Egypt, pave the way to end the war in Yemen, offer a workable solution to the crisis in Lebanon, and even lead to a resumption of negotiations to save the nuclear deal.
Paywall [drat] https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/2023-03-10/ty-article/.premium/saudi-iran-rapprochement-in-chinas-middle-east-israel-has-little-influence/00000186-cc34-d739-a9cf-dc7ecd530000

Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 11 2023 1:27 utc | 190

Irish | Mar 11 2023 1:12 utc | 189
So Irish, how does it get redistributed.
For example, what of these resources is east of the Dnipro and what is west of it?

Posted by: Jerr | Mar 11 2023 1:36 utc | 191

brief recent history …
Iran and Saudi Arabia: Over four decades of tension
Riyadh and Tehran restore diplomatic relations after years of fallout over proxy wars, nuclear weapons and Hajj
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/iran-saudi-arabia-timeline-relations-four-decades-tensions

Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 11 2023 1:38 utc | 192

It’s on their minds.
“This region is full of resources and I worry about the malign activity of our adversaries.”
SOUTHCOM General Laura Richardson and members of the House Armed Services Committee discuss the US campaign to control Latin American lithium on Wednesday.
https://twitter.com/MintPressNews/status/1634208472978915330

Posted by: Irish | Mar 11 2023 1:39 utc | 193

The Duran guys on this event…
HUGE China brokered deal, Iran & Saudi Arabia restore diplomatic ties
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgpzgrPYPhw
Brian Berletic weighs in on that and more on his latest live stream…
New Atlas LIVE: Ukraine, Georgia, Nord Stream, US-China + More… (1 hour, 41 minutes)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWjMLSI1-xg
From the description:

34,702 views Streamed live 12 hours ago
Today, we talk about the ongoing conflict in Ukraine, attempts by the US to open up another front in Georgia, the West’s conspiracy theories about the Nord Stream pipelines’ destruction, and growing US-China tensions over the island province of Taiwan.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 11 2023 1:44 utc | 194

This is good news, and I am glad for it. Everyone who worked to accomplish this deserves congratulations.

Posted by: Josh | Mar 11 2023 1:49 utc | 195

@ uncle tungsten | Mar 10 2023 20:14 utc | 112
Too true, let’s add Canada & Australia to the persona non-grata list too. 😉

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 11 2023 1:50 utc | 196

A comment from the thread:
…”The Saudis have a history of being notoriously untrustworthy,…”
Thanks for the alert.
What’s the Russian word for U$ negotiations?
“? недоговороспособны.?
I’m thinking the Chinese probably know the concept and have a word or phrase also.
But yeah, sure. It’s the Saudis who are “notoriously” untrustworthy.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 11 2023 2:32 utc | 197

It will also have a great effect on easing up the political deadlock in Lebanon, as well as Iran relation with Egypt. It will also empower the muslim world as more uniform security block.

Posted by: Kooshy | Mar 11 2023 2:33 utc | 198

Ever heard of cordyceps fungus?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 10 2023 21:00 utc | 123
Tom, I see your ‘cordyceps fungus,’ and up the ante with one case of spider wasp .

female wasp searches the ground and/or vegetation for a spider, and upon finding one, stings it, paralyzing the spider. The targeted spider typically isn’t able to kill the wasp, because the wasp can just fly out of reach, so at best the spider fights fiercely to escape…
Typically, a single egg is laid on the abdomen of the spider…
The egg hatches and the larva feeds on the spider, breaking through the integument with its mandibles. As the larva feeds on its host, it saves the vital organs, such as the heart and central nervous system, for last. [emphasis mine]

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Mar 11 2023 2:36 utc | 199

zeke2u | Mar 10 2023 17:27 utc | 70
To b: “About the loser, Israel: you make it sound as if Israel tells the US what to do. This is no different than Mearsheimer. This turns reality upside down.”
What planet are you from? I’m curious, because on this planet, Earth, Israel-first Neocons and banksters implicitly dictate US policy, foreign and domestic. The proof is stark: listen to all the moralizing speeches on any any legislation important to Israel, especially wars, then do simple math on related votes in the US Knesset. Their near unanimity shows why, on this planet, the USG is aptly named ZOG, Zionist-Occupied Government. Here, Palestinians may finally have cause to celebrate with the RoW; come to think of it, most Americans too.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Mar 11 2023 2:37 utc | 200