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March 4, 2023
Bakhmut, Strategic Or Not, Is Falling

'Western' media can not decide if Bakhmut is a strategic city or has little strategic value. They claim both is the case.

Bakhmut is of course of strategic value. It is covering the crossing of three major train lines and four major roads (M-03, M-32, T-13-02, T-05-13). As such it is the linchpin of the whole Donbas region. Besides that it also has some valuable mineral mines.


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That is why the Ukrainian government has send ten thousands of its troops to fight and die for that city.

People who claim otherwise are simply coping.

Some examples:

This DW piece, originally written in Russian, is probably the best on the issue:

Bakhmut: What will be the outcome of the battle?DW – Mar 3, 2023

Bakhmut is of great strategic importance to both the Ukrainian and the Russian forces, says Marina Miron, a research fellow at the Centre for Military Ethics at King's College London. Miron believes that, if Russian troops capture the city, they will advance further, perhaps toward Kramatorsk.

"They would control important roads, cutting off the Ukrainian armed forces and making the defense much harder for them," says Miron. She warns that this would also undermine the morale of the Ukrainian troops, and could lead to Western partners losing confidence in the capabilities of the Ukrainian army.

Ralph Thiele, a retired German colonel who has served on the personal staff of NATO's Supreme Allied Commander Europe, agrees. "The Ukrainian side is basically compelled — also by its Western partners — to deliver successes. There has to be some sort of constant public justification for the huge amount of support being given to Ukraine," says Thiele.

Mike Martin, a researcher at King's College London, says Russia is persisting in its efforts to capture Bakhmut because it corresponds to Putin's stated war aim of, in his words, "liberating the Donbas." Martin explains: "If you look at the way the roads and the rail networks are arranged, there are two bigger settlements to the west of Bakhmut, but still in the Donbas: Sloviansk and Kramatorsk. And in order to take those bigger cities, which he needs to do to complete his strategic goal, he needs to take Bakhmut first."

The Ukrainians in Bakhmut and elsewhere are outgunned 10 to 1:

The Ukraine war has become a ferocious battle dominated by artillery and Ukrainian forces are operating at a huge disadvantage: Russia has numerical superiority of 10 heavy guns to every one at the disposal of Kyiv. Furthermore, Ukraine is running low on ammunition and requires urgent supplies of shells, Volodymyr Zelenskiy’s government has warned.

According to data from the European Commission to which EL PAÍS has had access, Russia fires between 40,000 and 50,000 artillery shells per day, compared to 5,000-6,000 Ukrainian forces expend. The Estonian government, which has been one of largest contributors to Kyiv’s war effort, puts the average use of artillery at between 20,000 and 60,000 Russian shells per day, and 2,000 to 7,000 Ukrainian rounds, according to a document sent to EU Member States by Tallinn, to which this newspaper has had access. These numbers equate to between 600,000 and 1.8 million Russian shells fired per month, compared to between 60,000 and 210,000 by Ukrainian artillery.

Over the last six weeks the Russian counter-battery campaign destroyed some additional 500 Ukrainian howitzers and multiple rocket launchers. The Russian Lancet suicide drones (videos) have done a lot of that work. Russia has thereby increased its own artillery advantage even more.

As artillery is the major killer in any modern war this also means that casualties on both sides will follow a similar ratio as the number of guns and rounds fired by each side.

For the last several weeks the daily 'clobber report' by the Russian Defense Ministry reported some 350-400 Ukrainian soldiers killed per day along the whole frontline. On Thursday that number increased to 640, stayed at 640 in Friday's report and increased to 880 in today's report. 490 of those were reported in the Bakhmut area.

BBC cooperates with other organization to count every announcement of a dead soldier in the Russian local media. Since the start of the war it has identified a total of 16,000:

Throughout 2022, Russian sources typically reported about 250–300 deaths each week, doubling in January and continuing to grow again in February.

Russian source report death per week at a lower rate than Ukrainian death per day. The ratio is again about 10 Ukrainians for 1 Russian. That number of Russian dead has doubled in January and further increased in February says the BBC. But the 10 to 1 ratio between Ukrainian and Russian dead will still have been the same.

I have said for a while that Bakhmut was in operational encirclement. Russian artillery could reach its last roads in and out. Since three days ago Bakhmut is in tactical encirclement. Russian direct fire, i.e. tank guns and hand held anti-tank missiles, can now cover all of Bakhmut's supply routes. They will shot at any car that attempts to drive there. Its one reason why the reported deaths have harshly increased.

Should the Ukraine decide to order its soldiers to stay in Bakhmut the city will be physically encircled. All roads will be blocked not only by fire but by heavily armed Russian checkpoints. The Ukrainian soldiers in Bakhmut, several thousands still seem to be there, will then be left with only two options: surrender or die.

Comments

# 196
1973 Nixon ended gold redemptions
Early 80’s Reagan deregulated Wall Street
Clinton repealed glass-steagall
Fed “put from 80’s onwards.
Things have never been better for the degenerate gamblers&money printers.

Posted by: Dingo | Mar 5 2023 9:29 utc | 201

Posted by: Dingo | Mar 5 2023 9:29 utc | 203
Now we also have private equity funds (originally called leveraged buyout funds). They are inefficient relative to the public market, erode pensioners’ wealth, and fire employees, weaken product quality, and even cause increased mortality in the hospitals they take over.
“A rigorous study published by the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) found that mortality rates in PE-owned nursing homes were 10 percent higher than the overall average, while Medicare billing was 11 percent higher. PE-owned homes shifted resources away from patients. Frontline nurses spent fewer hours with patients, and to compensate for lower staffing, the homes made 50 percent greater use of antipsychotic drugs (drugs associated with higher mortality rates). They also spent more money on things unrelated to patient care, such as monitoring fees.”

Posted by: Colin | Mar 5 2023 9:47 utc | 202

I suspect one of the contingency plans being looked at by RF strategic planners is to grind on through another winter, and then through the 2024 election season and into the autumn of 2024/spring 2025.
The West will be a very different place by then–demilitarized, deindustrialized, de-Nazified, de-Dollarized, and the world deWestified.
In the meantime, as the world de-dollarizes, it is just conceivable the RF begins to sell its resources primarily to friendly countries, and if to unfriendly countries at all, perhaps insisting on gold for payment. Pushing the debt/fiat pyramid a little deeper underwater…
Posted by: Paul Damascene | Mar 5 2023 6:42 utc | 173

Good summary. I’d only add that your timetable for De-Dollarization is perhaps too fast.
Agreed that by 2025, the first real impacts of de-dollarization will be seen. The are likely to be ( unexpected) high interest rates on US Gov’t debt as well as certain minor ‘dislocations’ in imports.
However, I don’t see full blown de-dollarization impacts happening until 2030. Those impacts will be some sort of US Federal Gov’t default/insolvency plus a dramatic drop in US living standards.
50% of Federal Gov’t is funded by selling debt. Let that sink in Barflies.

Posted by: Exile | Mar 5 2023 9:48 utc | 203

Contrary to Marx’s assumption, capitalism is not only extremely destructive, it is not even inherently rational.
For example, wealth is massively misallocated to active managers and private equity funds rather than to more efficient passive managers to serve the interests of the financial sector.
Entrepreneurs and managers are considered by behavioral economists to have a general overconfident irrationality, which may be related to their pathological and economically irrational desire for control.

Posted by: Colin | Mar 5 2023 9:52 utc | 204

#204
Everything was bent to the financial world.
And they still messed it up.
It’s amazing to get everything you want, and still be failing.

Posted by: Dingo | Mar 5 2023 10:01 utc | 205

Posted by: Why trust | Mar 4 2023 19:24 utc | 46
«why do you trust Russian reports? They are war party and provide no evidence for their numbers»
All the claims by either side, or even by perhaps “independent” observers are hearsay, so one cannot “trust” anything they claim. Therefore the people treating this tragic conflict as a sports match, analyzing every move reported by either side in detail are largely wasting their time.
That said, by analyzing the claims and admissions (e.g. if one side says “we will conquer X” that means they haven’t it yet) by both sides, the context including past behaviour, and the likely purpose of the claims, it is possible to guess some broad notion of what is plausible.
So far my impression is that most claims by the fascist ukrainian government and their “Washington Consensus” sponsors are largely fantasy, sometimes even comically so, while those from the Russian Federation are “just” somewhat exaggerated or somewhat misleading.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/01/untruth-and-consequences/305561/
«at a conference in Tehran in which the Allies discussed opening new fronts against Nazi Germany, Churchill stressed the need to keep the Allies’ plans secret. To Joseph Stalin, he said, “In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies.”»

Posted by: Blissex | Mar 5 2023 10:03 utc | 206

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 5 2023 5:18 utc | 160
I was about to post the same, albeit not in so many words, about what leadership means.
Natural leaders do not need to demand authority, either through coercion or violence, but it is given to them voluntarily. Such people are very rare and today, when radical feminist progressives which are the complete opposite rein free, they are prosecuted and cancelled because “testosterone”.

Posted by: alek_a | Mar 5 2023 10:17 utc | 207

No it was not !!!!
It did not even begin to fuse State and Corporations because such Corporations and Trusts did not exist until later in 19th Century. US was a federation of partially sovereign states until Woodrow Wilson and FDR centralised power and authority.
[…]
The real Fascist State emerged as a result of Reagan and Thatcher who – espousing Small Government built huge centralised power structures and overrode local power bases – Thatcher through Decree and Reagan through Deficits.
It was the ability to escape Budget Control by the Legislature and Taxing to Spend that created the Fascist State that was called Leviathan in 17th Century when people KNEW what it was instead of welcoming the Devil as a friend.
Keeping the Executive on a short leash was the essence of Liberty and why John Hampden and the rest voted against Ship Money.
Now Greenspan and Bernanke FREE the Executive from any control and the State spends to infinity desperately looking for new clients to buy
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 5 2023 9:08 utc | 196

I can’t believe what I am reading. Or rather, I can, I know where it comes from, but it is still astonishing stupidity
Long before Woodrow Wilson and FDR you first had a bunch of large land owners completely dominating the so-called “democracy” in the 17th, 18th and early 19th century, and in the late 19th century (several decades before Wilson) you had the Gilded Age and the robber barron era, during which everything was monopolized into the hands of a handful of megacorporations owned by a very small number of ultra rich individuals (richer than anything we ever saw before Bezos and Musk from the last few years). Again, long before Wilson/FDR.
The only time in the history of the country that this condition has been somewhat broken up was after the FDR reforms.
Because the only way to achieve freedom and tolerable living conditions for the common man is to have a very strong centralized state crushing the power of the oligarchy.
If you don’t have a very strong centralized state you have zero hope of ever reigning in the power of the oligarchy, and you end up with fascism. Despite the libertarian fantasies about small government and “freedom”. That’s just how history works. The inverse is not true though — you can have a centralized state with quite a bit of power that is controlled by an oligarchy. That is extremely bad, but it is only a temporary condition, because it cannot remain strong for too long, eventually it will degrade — the oligarchy’s greed is limitless and it immediately starts eating away the foundations of the state. You are watching that process in the US right now — FDR created a strong state, it was completely taken over in the 1980s, now it is degrading.

USA is TODAY a Fascist State as is most of Western World in that Politics is subservient to Capital and Regulatory Agencies have been captured.

Today’s US is pretty much the exact same US as the one from the 1880-1930 period. Yes, there a few welfare programs thrown in to keep a lid on things, and the military has ballooned out of all proportions, but other than that it is the exact same orgy of deregulation, regulatory capture, capture of mainstream media, and obscene inequality as existed back then. So if we agree it is fascist now, how is it that it wasn’t then? At least we don’t have anti-strike militias massacring workers as was the norm then, though that might well be primarily because there are no longer strikes to speak of…

Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 5 2023 10:17 utc | 208

Posted by: DZhMM | Mar 5 2023 6:13 utc | 168
Well, yes – that is what I would’ve expected with all ukrainian goods in western supermarkets. I’m therefore surprised to find so many bottles of “Krimskoye” still on the shelfs here. I wonder how big the reserves are and how long they will last. I also wonder how popular or not this sparkling wine is here.
Because unlike ketchup of course, alcoholic beverages have to be kown to raise in price significantly if rare.
Not that I’m planning to get rich with it, but the idea has crossed my mind to buy two or three boxes and speculate on a rising price – just for fun.

Posted by: Helmuth von Moltke | Mar 5 2023 10:17 utc | 209

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 5 2023 9:08 utc | 196
“And, of course, the elephant in the room — the US was a fully fascist state in the late 19th and early 20th century.”
«No it was not !!!! It did not even begin to fuse State and Corporations because such Corporations and Trusts did not exist until later in 19th Century.»
In 1889 it was already well established that rich people and big corporations controlled politics, and had been for quite a while:
https://www.senate.gov/art-artifacts/historical-images/political-cartoons-caricatures/38_00392.htm

Posted by: Blissex | Mar 5 2023 10:26 utc | 210

Re: leadership, Newton’s First Law applies, the composition of the force acting on the object is situational; but as leadership is about tackling inertia, it has to involve the application of force.

Posted by: Milites | Mar 5 2023 10:37 utc | 211

Contrary to Marx’s assumption, capitalism is not only extremely destructive, it is not even inherently rational.
Posted by: Colin | Mar 5 2023 9:52 utc | 206
Thats laughable nonsense.

Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 5 2023 10:38 utc | 212

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 4 2023 23:33 utc | 101 — “Using Thatcher to slam the Outlaw US Empire clearly scored a rhetorical goal. And as the earlier article I provided about Burns’s great faux pas reported, his speech was very counter productive.”
I agree that the Chinese rebuttal was classy, on a par with Putin using Kipling’s “tabaqui” to describe the hapless Europeans. I also enjoy the witty barbs from Zakharova and Medvedev.
The West’s leaders are not only on the wrong side of history, but they are embarrassingly uncouth, uneducated, lacking in class, refinement, manners, honour, and worst of all, totally lacking in self-respect.
But their ‘redeeming quality’ is that they make us chuckle once in a while with their comical grasping at straws.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Mar 5 2023 10:46 utc | 213

until later in 19th Century.»
In 1889 it was already well established

Q. E. D.

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 5 2023 10:52 utc | 214

Posted by: Blissex | Mar 5 2023 10:26 utc | 212
Oh and lest we forget US Senate was not directly elected prior to 17th Amendment and first directly-elected full Senate was 1919
There were only 38 States in the Union in 1889
There was no FBI
No Federal Income Tax
No Military Industrial Complex
No US Reserve Currency
There was only so much power USA had internationally……..ie very very limited

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 5 2023 11:01 utc | 215

karlof1 | Mar 4 2023 23:39 utc | 103
Does an able leader need to resort to the use of force or coercion to maintain its leadership
Well, to maintain its leadership an able leader must first establish that leadership. In the case of your leader, I’d say the use of force is absolutely imperative.
I.e. Send a division of Marines to surround hq in Langley, give the inhabitants 10 minutes to vacate the premises with their hands on their heads, sequester the appropriate files, burn the place to the ground, and let the debriefing commence.

Posted by: john | Mar 5 2023 11:04 utc | 216

It’s absolutely sickening how the corporate (and state!) Western media have covered promoted and sold this deadly war of attrition to the people of the EU, USA, Canada and Oceania.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 4 2023 23:54 utc | 107
The elder generation is especially disappointing.
The elder generation should be the ones who show wisdom and experience; the ones who explain that after wars in Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Lybia, Syria, Yemen, and numerous intents to overthrow governments – the most recent ones in Byelorussia and Kazakhstan – we should be very wary when our leaders say they are fighting yet another just war.
Instead, the elder more often than not are the cheerleaders for this war.

Posted by: Passerby | Mar 5 2023 11:20 utc | 217

I find the The BBC News’ website is a good insight into how the techno-feudalists project is progressing and today, apart from an item about Russian delegates being laughed at, not a word about the SMO. Even on the War in Ukraine tab, very little of substance apart from a by the numbers, Bakhmut has not fallen yet, article.
Talk about Nuland’s Crimean offensive is just a fantasy, cynically peddled to keep Ukrainian troops fighting, for a few months more, to protect the operations of the money laundromat that their country has become.

Posted by: Milites | Mar 5 2023 11:25 utc | 218

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/01/world/europe/ukraine-russia-tanks.html
“Battle of Vuhledar” presented as a major setback for Russian forces.
All I could find beyond the NYT article (embedder reporting, strange piece ) is stuff from “obviously Ukrainian” sources.
Anyone seen some less partisan reporting?

Posted by: MAKK | Mar 5 2023 11:25 utc | 219

Re: power of gov‘t
Size of the State expressed as % of GDP (rough)
3% -1789
6% -1912
42% – 2022
Up until WWI, the state hardly existed in people’s lives. It was so tiny as to be nearly irrelevant

Posted by: Exile | Mar 5 2023 11:38 utc | 220

A question for barflies: Does an able leader need to resort to the use of force or coercion to maintain its leadership?
Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 4 2023 23:39 utc | 103
I think karlof1’s question is practically the same as the following one: Does an able leader need the police or the military to maintain its leadership?

Posted by: TN | Mar 5 2023 11:46 utc | 221

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 4 2023 21:36 utc | 77
I very much appreciate the information about Russia that you share with us – thank you.
Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 4 2023 23:39 utc | 103
The ‘able leader’ question: If one accepts Max Weber’s suggestion that ‘charisma’ is an essential quality of an ‘able leader’ then the answer to your question is, hypothetically, no. However, that is an ideal typical answer, based on theoretical absolutes. All such ‘leaders’ are part of an ‘able’ team and as the visible ‘leader’ their greatest enemy would be their own narcissism. Failure against that foe would reduce their ‘ableness’. It’s a complicated question but that’s my short answer. 🙂
Posted by: Technophobe | Mar 4 2023 23:52 utc | 106
Hat tip to your illustration of ‘the complicated question’.
Posted by: Zet | Mar 5 2023 0:04 utc | 109
‘Leadership’ in that sense is ‘given’, which is an ideal. As such it would be a beautiful and uplifting phenomenon. Hence ++ from uncle tungsten (111).
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 5 2023 1:33 utc | 120
Very much like ‘able parenting’ then where parenting “…includes the understanding of when to employ [controlled] violence.” I still maintain the really dangerous case of narcissism would be that of ‘a leader’ – the history of the English monarchy is my evidence. 😉
Posted by: Debsisdead | Mar 5 2023 2:21 utc | 131
Karlof1’s question suggests to me that he was a very good teacher/educator and the answers/suggestions from the bar suggest that we would be a lively and entertaining seminar group. 😉
Posted by: Outraged | Mar 5 2023 5:18 utc | 160
Thanks for those 2 cents. Charismatic, realistic, inclusive, and down to earth (non-narcissistic {?}).

Posted by: Lantern Dude | Mar 5 2023 11:47 utc | 222

Instead, the elder more often than not are the cheerleaders for this war.
Posted by: Passerby | Mar 5 2023 11:20 utc | 219
The elderly generation put masks on the toddlers and locked them in bubble prisons. The same people take out loans that the same toddlers will have to pay. Of course they cheerleader for war. It’s not them that are doing the fighting and dying. And it’s the same elderly that keep preaching “respect the elderly”.

Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 5 2023 11:49 utc | 223

Instead, the elder more often than not are the cheerleaders for this war.
Posted by: Passerby | Mar 5 2023 11:20 utc | 219
They are making money from it. It’s their business plan.

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 5 2023 11:52 utc | 224

A question for barflies: Does an able leader need to resort to the use of force or coercion to maintain its leadership?
Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 4 2023 23:39 utc | 103
I think karlof1’s question is practically the same as the following one: Does an able leader need the police or the military to maintain its leadership?
Posted by: TN | Mar 5 2023 11:46 utc | 223

Both questions relate to: “Is the populace rational, not criminal, never lies, working and self-sufficient and is good by heart”?

Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 5 2023 11:57 utc | 225

Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 5 2023 3:04 utc | 140
TO poster was christened ‘Tony OffTopic’ in another blog – he’s ‘mostly harmless’ and best ignored. That’s the politest thing I can say. 😉
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 5 2023 3:54 utc | 152
Well said. It is worth repeating.
‘If the “exorbitant privilege” USA/Israel enjoys were removed tomorrow then all sectors of these societies would suffer, since we are all tacitly complicit in enjoying the fruits of a global system of oppression.’ Additionally, it has been a recurrent thought over the last few years that whatever has happened over the past 40-50 years happened on our watch.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 5 2023 4:23 utc | 157
‘A system free of hierarchy.’ The exercise of authority, however, acquired involves hierarchy. A severe limitation of ‘inheritance’ could end the grotesque system we have inherited from the last 7-10,000 years. 😉
Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 5 2023 7:33 utc | 181
I agree that the ‘clotshot’ (irrelevant to this thread) and ‘Ukraine’ are “…two sides of the same coin.” however, it’s a coin used by two separate elements of the bourgeois optimates. The coin = state apparatus. Those often referred to as the ‘sheeple’ have an in-built loyalty to the state, which is useful to know when ‘you gotta con goin’ on’.
Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Mar 5 2023 8:29 utc | 187
“This specific thread has but one topic.” Agreed, as usual you are right on the money, however there does seem to be a ‘lull’ this far from the action and apart from the certainty of a Russian victory in the future nobody knows what will happen next. So there is some treading of the water. 😉
Posted by: Dingo | Mar 5 2023 9:29 utc | 203
A good list of ‘Optimates’ in action, not forgetting Thatcher’s emulation of the de-regulation option to sweeten the sale of the UK’s utilities and manufacturing base among other actions that destroyed the post second world war ‘social compact’.

Posted by: Lantern Dude | Mar 5 2023 12:14 utc | 226

Paul Greenwood @196
First major modern corporation in the modern fascist mold would have been the East India Company. Merchant Adventurers pre-date that. As do banks. I’m not sure that applying fascism as an analytical model to early 19th century America is the best way to do the job. It is not completely wrong. Being romantic about how wonderful civic life in US was back in some golden age is definitely wrong and wrongheaded.

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 5 2023 12:26 utc | 227

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Mar 5 2023 8:29 utc | 187
The single most co-related to lifespan technological advance is the introduction of the fridge in households.
This tends to show that rotten food is no good and probably never was.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 5 2023 12:31 utc | 228

@ Lantern Dude | Mar 5 2023 11:47 utc | 224
If must be reduced to a sentence or two, which for me does not capture the complete essence re my life experience & strong heartfelt views on the subject in question:
A true committed & dedicated wise mentor empowered & granted authority, initially the leadership circle, thence wider & wider through them, wholly dedicated to the benefit, development, growth of one & all, solely for the common good in all aspects, without fear or favor. A 21st century Socrates with huge cajones & little to no tolerance whatsoever for anti-humans, psychopaths, sociopaths, arch-narcissists, arch-opportunists & most of all Vampyres, predation amongst us.
Peace

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 5 2023 12:35 utc | 229

Posted by: Blissex | Mar 5 2023 10:26 utc | 212
PIRACY = MAFIA = EMPIRE = FASCISM
Capitalism be it liberal or under military junta is piracy and coercion of the weak. It is but a flavor of fascism – as socialist Mussolini discovered and took advantage of.
The STATE is one notch above MAFIA in the EMPIRE setup.
Fascism in the collective psyche, is the worshipping of brute POWER acting as cement of the EMPIRE.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 5 2023 12:43 utc | 230

@ oldhippie | Mar 5 2023 12:26 utc | 229
Key turning points, 1791–1794 Whiskey Rebellion, Woodrow Wilson & Truman, IMV.

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 5 2023 12:55 utc | 231

@Paul Greenwood, shadowbanned, blissex, et Al. The first thing that came to mind is Standard Oil and J.D. Rockefeller. Ford, Carnegie, Mellon and others acquired morning power than any politician. One can argue the pros and cons of this, but at least most of them produced a product that can arguably be said to be beneficial for a great number of people. Nowadays, I don’t see much value in our current oligarchs. Big tech, pharma? There’s a good chance that the darkness and evil overrides any benefits.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Mar 5 2023 12:59 utc | 232

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 5 2023 12:35 utc | 231
Agreed. The 21st Socrates example resonates with me, although I get the impression that he didn’t think he was even up to the task set by the ‘democratic ideal’. Unfortunately we’ll never know what he actually thought only what someone thought he thought. Peace

Posted by: Lantern Dude | Mar 5 2023 12:59 utc | 233

“more power”, it should read. F’ing spell check.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Mar 5 2023 13:01 utc | 234

Posted by: Lantern Dude | Mar 5 2023 12:14 utc | 228
The exercise of authority, however, acquired involves hierarchy. A severe limitation of ‘inheritance’ could end the grotesque system we have inherited from the last 7-10,000 years. 😉
The prospects for changing this are slim since this “grotesque system” is encoded at the neural level. Perhaps the religious-scientific protocol I alluded to earlier might help speed the process of evolution required to adjust the neural circuitry responsible for our ailments …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 5 2023 13:18 utc | 235

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 5 2023 12:35 utc | 231
I have to agree that the habit of intra-specific predation IS the problem, it greatly interferes with developing all of the human capital that is available, and that is what matters for the future. And to have so many of us, we will have to be a lot more disciplined without supervision, and those people will have to be raised to it.

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 5 2023 13:26 utc | 236

ROFL
Americans with their constant obsession of fighting the government. 247 years and nothing changed.

Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 5 2023 13:29 utc | 237

some realism moa readers urgently need: https://roloslavskiy.substack.com/p/ugledar-a-case-study

Posted by: Some Realism | Mar 5 2023 13:30 utc | 238

The “able leader” description pandered here
is the essence of fascism.
“able leader needed to align the populace into synergistic activity”.
same without a leader is communism. 🙂
World of NullA : (A.E.vanVogt)
The Disposessed : ( LeGuin )
interesting dissemination in SF literature.

Posted by: MAKK | Mar 5 2023 13:33 utc | 239

Outraged @ 233
In my view those turning points are barely there. The corporations then and now are operated by the same small group of families. Sometimes the families operate through government ministries, sometimes they command armies, sometimes they have fealty of their serfs, and sometimes they act through corporations.
Talking about “impersonal” social forces is wrong and mostly misdirection. There are always persons. Always the same persons.

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 5 2023 13:36 utc | 240

Vikichka@227….ever had your bank account frozen by your government over a difference of ideology between you, and ‘them’? All the while thinking you live in a democracy….private police, flown to any hot spot in the world where WEF Despots feel threatened.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 5 2023 13:39 utc | 241

Greg Galloway @ 232
That’s so true.
Ukraine is a mafia style protection racket run by the US & UK.
The west moved into Ukraine offering protection from Russia (who were no threat)
Offered investment and military build up,
Power, power, and yet more power.
What’s not to like ? Zelinsky fell for it, even the azov banderites got into bed with the power, fascists go to the highest bidder.
It’s good to be a freand of and protected by the mafia, (street credabilty) right ?
Wrong, they own you now, bleed you dry, then dump Ukraine and Zelinsky in the river with concrete boots on.
A lessen for all the countrys in the world to heed.
Not least Germany and Poland right here right now.

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 5 2023 13:42 utc | 242

Posted by: Some Realism | Mar 5 2023 13:30 utc | 240
We’re all well aware of what happened at Vuhledar. Nobody has their head in the sand about this.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 5 2023 13:48 utc | 243

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 5 2023 13:39 utc | 243
If you could wouldn’t you freeze the bank accounts of wef despots and wouldn’t you throw them into the Bakhmut meat grinder?

Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 5 2023 13:48 utc | 244

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 5 2023 13:18 utc | 237
Agreed. A task that has first to be attempted on a personal level, which is something that may have been going in among the characters in the imperial christian foundation myth. 😉

Posted by: Lantern Dude | Mar 5 2023 13:49 utc | 245

Aside from everything else, it’s the RAILWAY line to Bakhmut that makes the city of strategic importance.
Once RU forces can move in men and materiel (especially hundreds of thousands of shells) with the train, it’s all hands on deck for the push to Slavyansk/Kramatorsk et al.

Posted by: Sam (in Tiraspol) | Mar 5 2023 13:57 utc | 246

@ oldhippie | Mar 5 2023 13:36 utc | 242
If forced to pick only three, re US of A, then those would be it. The puppet ventriloquists dummy Truman laid, facilitated, embedded & enabled the foundations of the Deep State mechanisms for the Vampyres, enabled all that we have become since FDR(who like JFK was no saint), particularly follow-on dementia puppet Ronny ‘Raygun’ Reagan (A dementia Biden prototype) onwards.
Agree whole-heartily, indeed passionately, with your points, I assure you. Perhaps review my posts this thread on Karlof1’s ‘Able Leader’ question, or merely replies to ‘Lantern Dude’ in that regard. Cheers.
Peace
@ Some Realism | Mar 5 2023 13:30 utc | 240
With all due respect, ‘Zero Realism’ from an ignorant uninformed mouthy blogger who has zero understanding of war or the conduct thereof, outright denying corroborated known facts, who wouldn’t know objective analysis if it was embossed on a brick in bright neon/fluorescent lettering & struck him in the forehead.
Not, I say again, not recommended.
There’s ‘Some Realism’ for you. Jeebus, these self appointed opportunistic Call-of-Duty, LARPing ‘Influencer'(Especially NAFO?!) Military Strategists & Analysts keep popping up like imaginary Cuban Cicada swarms. Dog help us.
YMMV.
@ MAKK | Mar 5 2023 13:33 utc | 241
People live your misrepresented ‘able leader’ fascist myth. Millions upon millions of individuals have been specifically targeted & exterminated to excise moral ethical reasoned compassionate humanity from antiquity through to today. Pft.

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 5 2023 14:18 utc | 247

Vikichka@246….no, just remove them from power and make an example of them like China does….not sure if they get to choose, rope or lead…either works.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 5 2023 14:18 utc | 248

Re: Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 5 2023 11:01 utc | 217
The US grew it’s international power, and became the world’s most powerful country, in the wake of World War I – after the European Powers had all destroyed each other.
The Dawes Plan cemented the Power of the US & Wall Street as the directors of global commerce.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes_Plan

The Dawes Plan (as proposed by the Dawes Committee, chaired by Charles G. Dawes) was a plan in 1924 that successfully resolved the issue of World War I reparations that Germany had to pay. It ended a crisis in European diplomacy following World War I and the Treaty of Versailles.
The plan provided for an end to the Franco-Belgian occupation of the Ruhr, and a staggered payment plan for Germany’s payment of war reparations. Because the Plan resolved a serious international crisis, Dawes shared the Nobel Peace Prize in 1925 for his work.
The Dawes Plan was put forward and was signed in Paris on August 16, 1924.

Posted by: Julian | Mar 5 2023 14:23 utc | 249

chu teh #130
So true that leaders be scarce and misleaders abundant. The media tries to possess reason as only its faculty and no one else. It is temporary and entirely their illusion.
Imo the msm has lost its legitimacy through repeated abuse. Perhaps the people can birth a change and keep it. The Trump hoax following the Sanders pantomime may have sharpened the capacity for many in the USA but the rigged UK election system is a big hurdle for change.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 5 2023 14:28 utc | 250

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 5 2023 6:28 utc | 171
I’ve said before that only two things can change the US: 1) a major economic collapse which reduces it the level of Britain, and/or 2) a major military defeat in which the US loses much of its serious military assets, i.e., the bulk of its carrier forces and a lot of its Air Force, and tens or scores of thousands of dead ground troops. The latter pretty much implies war with Russia or China – and that, of course, risks nuclear conflict
Agreed. 2) is the more dangerous trigger, although it becomes less dangerous when it happens after 1). The US economy is a house of cards, and it won’t take that much to bring it down. A doubling or tripling in energy prices would do it. This is a consumer economy (tail wags dog) that depends on financial coercion around the globe. An economic breakdown will bring about a societal breakdown in the US, as the social structures in this country are also a house of cards. US culture is a product of advertising, and most Americans live in this fantasy world, thinking that they are rich and strong (or temporarily embarrassed millionaires in waiting). Once forced to confront the reality, they will either lash out or curl into the fetal position.
One wild card I see is the movement in many US states for secession. When things get really bad this may find new legs. The US MIC is spread throughout the country, military bases are in all states. The partial breakup of the ‘united’ states can mean the breakup, or at least weakening of the military complex, maybe enough to make it contract to the point where it no longer considers the entire world its field of operations. I’m reaching here, but trying to be optimistic, as the only hope I see is if the US is broken down, as presently it is the most dangerous nation by far, a threat to the survival of the species.

Posted by: Mike R | Mar 5 2023 14:29 utc | 251

Can anyone tell me how to turn of tags. I put an italic tag at the start and end of the first paragraph, but the entire post is italicized.

Posted by: Mike R | Mar 5 2023 14:32 utc | 252

Mike R | Mar 5 2023 14:32 utc | 254
You have to put the end tag at the end of paragraph, same letter with / in front of it

Posted by: rk | Mar 5 2023 14:40 utc | 253

Posted by: Mike R | Mar 5 2023 14:32 utc | 254
< + i + > begins the tag < + / + i + > terminates it .. everything inside the tags is italicised

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Mar 5 2023 14:45 utc | 254

http://avia.pro/news/vsu-perebrosili-v-rayon-izyuma-120-edinic-voennoy-tehniki
Am I to believe that all this material really is placed on an open field in tight rows and columns?

Posted by: Catilina | Mar 5 2023 14:49 utc | 255

Ed #155
Arch
I have heard that one or two countries actually have in place a blend of meritocratic democracy with strict monetary controls and a high degree of self sufficiency. Some are small and others large and they collaborate through mutual aid. They are fiercely opposed by userers and hegemony but they are strong and very popular. Way to go imo.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 5 2023 14:52 utc | 256

@ Milites Mar 5 2023 11:25 utc 220
The BBC is the best indicator out there of the way Ukraine is going. They have developed their own way of spinning facts. Needless to say one has to read between the lines.

Posted by: dh | Mar 5 2023 14:54 utc | 257

some realism moa readers urgently need: https://roloslavskiy.substack.com/p/ugledar-a-case-study
Posted by: Some Realism | Mar 5 2023 13:30 utc | 240

Thank you. Between this piece and the one from Big Serge, we have two excellent, converging wrap-ups of the situation in Ugledar.
This is extremely valuable as it runs counter to a vast number of memes, hearsay, and fact-free allegations which well-meaning but naive pro-Russians have spread over the last year. The Ugledar, and to a lesser extent, Maryinka situations lead us to the following unpleasant deductions which I will recap one by one.
Conclusion #1 : the Russian army is unable to effectively suppress battery fire from a meager 15 km away
As Big Serge points out, Ugledar and Maryinka are protected by an artillery “umbrella” located in Kurakhovo, some 15 km away. This umbrella is apparently so effective that it has blocked all Russian attemps to advance into Ugledar proper.
We get constantly told that the Russian army has heavy guns and MLRS able to reach 100 km and more into the enemy’s rear. In this case we can see that these vaunted guns are either non-existent or hopelessly ineffective. Big Serge talks about an “artillery battery”, so we’re not just dealing with some “scoop-and-shoot” single MLRS but entire batteries on the Ukie side.
Conclusion #2 : the Ukrainians have robust, resilient supply lines
Naive pro-Russians like to explain Russian difficulties in Ugledar by claiming that it’s an island of concrete in the middle of a flat steppe. What they fail to realize is that it’s a damning indictment of the Russian general staff.
Think about it. If the flat steppe and absence of cover makes any advance by the Russians difficult, it renders equally as difficult for the Ukrainians to supply and rotate the Ugledar garrison. From the Ukrainian perspective Ugledar is an “avant-poste”, a fortress quite close to the enemy lines, located tens of kilometers away from Ukrainian logistical nodes.
And yet the Ukies, for at least a year, have managed to keep Ugledar supplied and with enough valid and motivated defenders to beat back all the Russian attemps. Translation : they are able to organize massive convoys with food and ammo across aforementioned flat steppe, without any fear of Russian aviation or artillery.
Conclusion #3 : Ukrainians do still have a good amount of experienced troops and the ability to move reserves at will
Remember the famous Saker utterances from already a year ago that the Ukrainians had no operational reserves left ? Such claims have been regularly repeated, without any evidence. Latest ones are about Bakhmut ; we regularly hear that the Ukies have spent all their reserve troops here, and that front collapses elsewhere are a matter of days.
Yet, as evidenced by Big Serge, the Ukies have been able to effortlessly mount a massive counter-offensive in Ugledar and bring in reserves at exceptional speed. Quite strange, no, for an army which is supposedly on its last legs and fighting with 16-year-old boys or pensioners ? While their regular troops, garrisoned in Ugledar, have beaten back the elite 155th marines from Russia. And supposedly Ukraine’s best troops are in Bakhmut ! We’re left with these unpleasant alternatives :
– Wagner is really so much better than the regular Russian troops – or, conversely, the regular Russian troops together with their command is just a bunch of fossilized Soviet dinosaurs, quite far from the picture of a high-tech cyborg army sold by Russian propagandists for years or
– All the talk about Ukraine spending their best forces in Bakhmut is vastly exaggerated
Conclusion #4 : Ukrainian ammo shortage is vastly exaggerated
It’s twelve months now, and Ukrainians are still solidly defending Ugledar and Maryinka. As the analysis of Big Serge shows, their artillery can be deadly accurate and sufficiently massive to fend off determined Russian assaults.
Think about it : if really the Ukies were starved of ammo, Russians could easily launch a decisive push either in Ugledar or Maryinka and bury them under the rubble. The fact that this is not the case is a clear demonstration that they do still have enough to confortably defend strongholds which are barely a few kilometers from Donetsk.
Overall conclusion : less propaganda, more analysis please
The pro-Russian sphere is alas, as Rolo Slavskiy points out, full of fluff, hearsay, feel-good reports based on anonymous declarations which are then disseminated a thousand-fold ; but it’s severely lacking in the kind of hard-nosed, realistic analysis like the ones done by Big Serge.
It should be clear now that the image of the Ukrainian army as a hodge-podge of retirees, teenagers, scattered NATO mercenaries, suffering from an acute ammo shortage and unable to transport a loaf of bread across the street, is deeply flawed. The Ukrainian army is
– experienced
– able to move reserves across Ukraine freely and quickly
– has a deadly accurate artillery
– motivated troops
– operational reserves
– clear-eyed and intelligent commanders, which seem vastly superior to their Russian counterparts with the exception of Wagner.
on the other hand, the Russian army
– has a massive but inaccurate artillery (i.e. spending an inordinate amount for a poor result)
– an ineffective aviation (unable to interdict supplies across flat steppes)
– mid-level officers which seem rather into medal-chasing and pork barrel than into operational art
– a few elite troops which are doing all the heavy lifting (VDV, Marines)
– is almost entirely dependent on the Wagner PMC for offensive operations, which is truly outshining them, as they did in Syria by the way where they did all the heavy lifting while some fat Russian general slobs were collecting trophies and taking photos shoots
– after a year, seems less able than ever to mount effective deep battle operations
– has not evidenced any tactical or strategic brilliance so far – and don’t tell me you need to be a military expert for this. Everyone can see why Napoleon’s or Manstein’s campaigns were brilliant, in the same way as you can tell a brilliant chess game from an average one.
It is difficult for me to see a positive end to this unless the ammo shortage really starts to bite on the Ukrainian side. Man-for-man, they seem clearly superior and more efficient.

Posted by: Micron | Mar 5 2023 14:56 utc | 258

It is difficult for me to see a positive end to this unless the ammo shortage really starts to bite on the Ukrainian side. Man-for-man, they seem clearly superior and more efficient.
Posted by: Micron | Mar 5 2023 14:56 utc | 260
You’ve probably spent a hour slow typing that vomit but in the end it’s very funny you ignore that Russia has around 20x less deaths. Where are you from little boy?

Posted by: rk | Mar 5 2023 15:03 utc | 259

@253
if one defines a significant military loss as a decrease in combat capacity
we see the f-35 which is a decade late, not up to combat, and costs too. it required older designs to be patched to run past life expectancy, at reduced capability.
ford class carrier and b-2 are similar investment in disarmament.
usa don’t need combat to lose!

Posted by: paddy | Mar 5 2023 15:15 utc | 260

@262
where you get your numbers from?
you are just a russian propaganda cheerboy or what?

Posted by: publicdisorder | Mar 5 2023 15:23 utc | 261

You’ve probably spent a hour slow typing that vomit but in the end it’s very funny you ignore that Russia has around 20x less deaths. Where are you from little boy?
Posted by: rk | Mar 5 2023 15:03 utc | 261

Actually it was around 30 minutes.
Your post is a sad example of the inability to engage in civil discourse or answer with irrelevant arguments. Russia *may* have less deaths (although 20x seems a bit much).
This however does not negate the fact that, 12 months after the conflict start, Ukrainians are still firmly entrenched in Maryinka, Avdeevka and Ugledar. This is hard, indisputable evidence. And that, until now, almost nobody on the pro-Russian front has attempted to explain why this is so, except for a few notable exceptions like Rolo Slavskiy and Big Serge.
The rest of the bloggers and celebrities prefers to engage in snark (Martyanov) or wax lyrically about some imaginary big arrow offensive and the invincible Russian army which should appear any minute now.

Posted by: Micron | Mar 5 2023 15:28 utc | 262

Down South #150
All that NATO gear is in Poland. Some will get to Ukraine. USA IS ARMING POLAND. The Ukraine is a failed ploy managed by a failed country with a rich ruling class who have a hasty exit in mind. Poland is the next battle ground but only if Russia chooses to play.
The NATO kit that arrives in Ukraine will be used to delay the inevitable, some at the front but some in the big city defences. It is all good target practice for liberation forces especially when concentrated at Ukrainian logistic hubs.
The englanders just lost a pile of sea drones in Odessa all neatly stacked dockside with heaps of ammo :/

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 5 2023 15:31 utc | 263

uncle tungsten | Mar 5 2023 1:01 utc | 117
Larry Romanoff at blue moon of shanghai writes about the perversion of leadership in the USA and the west.

It is a deep and exhaustive read. Note he is a blamer of zionist domination but if you skip that twist it is a valuable read with many useful historical elements…

Why skip that twist? Isn’t that — aren’t Israel-first Neocons running the USG — really the crux of it? Geopolitical analysts who self-censor that twist because it’s politically-dangerous, end up with confused analysis, IMO. Current events then remain inexplicable.
BTW, as an American Dutchman, I deeply represent your incineration of the Dutch. It reminds me of Goldmember’s Nigel Powers’ enlightened worldview:
“There are only two things I can’t stand in this world: People who are intolerant of other people’s cultures, and the Dutch.”

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Mar 5 2023 15:46 utc | 264

Micron #264
It is now almost ten years after the military struggle in Novorossiya commenced. It is one year after Russia came to the aid of its people with an army and the express intention to demilitarise and denazify the entirety of Novorossiyak.
There is no rush. Russia has established a well defined and fully functional killing zone in a strip of villages and small towns. The front has excellent supply lines. The enemy comes in dribs and drabs to demilitarise.
The balance of Novorossiya is barely damaged and those big, cold cities and populace are spared the devastation of the villages at the front. It could end that way when the press ganged army capitulate or surrenders through desperation and disarmament by attrition. The nazi forces will be in Poland and perhaps Germany when that happens.
There is no rush as the USA, the primary belligerent now wants to rush off and attack China at the other side of Eurasia. The USA people and a large proportion of its military are uncertain about the wisdom of two simultaneous wars with the most powerful militaries on earth as themselves.
Recall, crawling out of Kabul on all fours was not reassuring for the USA public or even more so for soldiers fighting on the USA ‘team’.
There is no rush, there is an abundance of USUK hubris yet to be deflated and if the last two balloons are any indication, it will be spectacular in its idiocy.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 5 2023 16:01 utc | 265

@ Bemildred | Mar 5 2023 13:26 utc | 238
Indeed ’tis so, individuals, local communities through to humanity as a whole, must actively strive to expunge divide & rule, smothering destructive ‘dumbing down’, expunging critical thought, indoctrinating ‘Greed is Good’, instilling homicidal contempt for periodically arbitrarily defined ‘others’, entrenching that the solution to any & all issues is lethal violence &/or destruction & devastation, obscene abhorrent unconscionable masked modern slavery & indentured servitude, in service of concentrations of untold & unaccountable power, wealth & resource in the hands of the very few, Vampyres & their Mafiosi minions & vassals. It would take many generations. Or we be doomed. The arc of humanity, the twists & turns of history, demands it be so.
Ultimately, if necessary, let the Tumbrils roll.
@ Micron | Mar 5 2023 14:56 utc | 260
Risible OUN-B Nazi/NAFO/ISW fraudulent rubbish utterly beneath contempt, by even the most superficially informed, cursory corroborated data-fact-check, even merely using MSM_of_Lies as sources. Straight up trolling. Sigh 🙁

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 5 2023 16:02 utc | 266

Doug Hillman #266
Thank you and I thought it polite to forewarn of the vigorous style in the piece. I fully agree with your take on the zion colonisation of the neocon team.
The Dutch – what can I say but I have read This Earth of Mankind a work of beauty and politics by Indonesia treasure Prem. I see through their civilised veneer and it ain’t pretty.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 5 2023 16:13 utc | 267

Indeed ’tis so, individuals, local communities through to humanity as a whole, must actively strive to expunge divide & rule, smothering destructive ‘dumbing down’, expunging critical thought, indoctrinating ‘Greed is Good’, instilling homicidal contempt for periodically arbitrarily defined ‘others’, entrenching that the solution to any & all issues is lethal violence &/or destruction & devastation, obscene abhorrent unconscionable masked modern slavery & indentured servitude, in service of concentrations of untold & unaccountable power, wealth & resource in the hands of the very few, Vampyres & their Mafiosi minions & vassals. It would take many generations. Or we be doomed. The arc of humanity, the twists & turns of history, demands it be so.
Posted by: Outraged | Mar 5 2023 16:02 utc | 268
Yeah. A very tough problem, IMO. And I have no answer but trained expertise (Socrates) in perpetuity, which is no answer. “No closed form solution” to it. But interesting, and we have nothing better to do.
I tend to agree with Hermit, we are screwed, but again what do we have to do that’s better, more to the point? We either learn to manage ourselves or we return to the world of natural selection. It’s going to be a lot more work.

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 5 2023 16:16 utc | 268

Lavrov gets a hero’s welcome in India. Baerbock is met by a couple of baggage handlers.

Posted by: Peter Hegger | Mar 5 2023 16:23 utc | 269

Bemildred
outraged
Hermit
It took us a lot of work and long bleak decades, centuries to get here. I see many nations of individual people have generated sufficient informed revolutionary zeal to instill progressive societies and economies.
The ideals of anarchism and socialism and communism have resulted in reasonable systems and broad social cohesion in advanced social and science based nations. We are in a time of disposal of the failed and flawed tangents and better times have never been so clearly defined and within reach.
It is truly awesome to see this in my life. I appreciate how promising and exciting it must have been for the Lenninist masses and the Maoist masses and the Cuban peoples liberation. We should take time to detach from self and consider the force of humanity and community as our collective aspiration.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 5 2023 16:33 utc | 270

Russia is taking losses: the Brits lost an entire battalion over 4000 men, in one afternoon. The pride of Newfoundland, dead. Father’s, sons, brothers, dead.
The west and it’s WEF Nazi scum are up front on their plans to destroy and dismantle Russia.
Last time round, Russia lost over thirty million people, big difference between grudge match and death match.
Russia will fight the neonazi west to the last Russian.
Cheers

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 5 2023 16:39 utc | 271

Posted by: Colin | Mar 5 2023 9:18 utc | 201
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The capitalist class has trained the proletariat not to use terms like the “ruling class” or even the “capitalist class.” The “deep state” is so nebulous that it hardly means anything.

Posted by: Ed | Mar 5 2023 17:04 utc | 272

It is truly awesome to see this in my life. I appreciate how promising and exciting it must have been for the Lenninist masses and the Maoist masses and the Cuban peoples liberation. We should take time to detach from self and consider the force of humanity and community as our collective aspiration.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 5 2023 16:33 utc | 272
Indeed. Perhaps we can create something new.
I offer again, Albert Camus:
In the difficult hour we are living, what else can I desire than to exclude nothing and to learn how to braid with white thread and black thread a single cord stretched to the breaking point.
— A. Camus ‘Return to Tipasa’
Nothing much has changed.

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 5 2023 17:25 utc | 273

“Unfortunately, we’ll never know what he actually thought only what someone thought he thought. Peace”
Posted by: Lantern Dude | Mar 5 2023 12:59 utc | 235
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Mr. Dude, the same applies to Jesus, which in my view makes the popular modern commentary; “what would Jesus do,” a bit superfluous as well.

Posted by: Ed | Mar 5 2023 17:25 utc | 274

Nothing much has changed.
Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 5 2023 17:25 utc | 275
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I, for one, would be happy to consider anything “new.” But so far in my 70 years I have not found a third way outside of some form of socialism that resolves the contradictions of capitalism and the exploitation of the majority by a powerful minority, be it slavery, feudalism, or capitalism. But I am open to suggestions.

Posted by: Ed | Mar 5 2023 17:34 utc | 275

Capitalism be it liberal or under military junta is piracy and coercion of the weak.
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 5 2023 12:43 utc | 232
No. That’s socialism.

Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 5 2023 17:40 utc | 276

Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 5 2023 17:40 utc | 278
Oh my, are you even into your teens yet, child?

Posted by: irish al | Mar 5 2023 17:43 utc | 277

Let us troll for once from the other side:
note that in all the pictures of American hardware in Polish, German, Danish etc ports their tanks and trucks are still painted in desert camouflage colours…so the US Army doesn’t even have the money or the wisdom or the capability to paint them green or grey…? While they have been planning to send them for ages? What’s your answer Micron & Co?

Posted by: Anthony | Mar 5 2023 17:44 utc | 278

Posted by: Ed | Mar 5 2023 17:34 utc | 277
First, no class systems, same rules for everybody.
That will change everything all by itself, since right now everything works off credentials, authorizations, affiliations, and such, gatekeepers taking a share left and right. This creates a lot of waste and friction, to be diplomatic.
We used to make a pretense of the “rule of law” here. Nobody talks about that any more.
Second, at a minimum, no private money at all in politics. Maybe a vow of poverty and celibacy for politicians, so they can focus on their work. Maybe hang a few to help get their attention.

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 5 2023 17:44 utc | 279

Posted by: irish al | Mar 5 2023 17:43 utc | 279
Ad hominem is a typical argument for socialists.

Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 5 2023 17:46 utc | 280

Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 5 2023 17:46 utc | 282
So, you’re not a fan of socialism then?
Which system would you advocate for the advancement and benefit of humanity, or are these not goals you find desirable?

Posted by: irish al | Mar 5 2023 18:00 utc | 281

Exile @205
I fully agree that 2025 would be too soon to see the deDollarization process anywhere near completed. I meant it as an adjective indicative of the process or direction of travel, not the accomplished destination.
That said, I think we are already quietly seeing actual effects of (relative) deDollarization in progress. China & even Japan are selling USTs; far fewer foreign buyers are acquiring new UST issues; yields that must be offered to incentivize new UST purchases are rising; the inflation you point as a consequence of deDollarization by 2030 is already here to some extent. The USD may be doing better than all currencies except the Ruble, but the USD purchases ever less in real foreign goods, which is inflation.
But, like you perhaps, it’s hard for me to expect an actual, discrete USD crash. Just erosion. I think the multipolar world is showing that the world can do without the exorbitant convenience of single world reserve currency.

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Mar 5 2023 18:12 utc | 282

Thought this was a stream about Ukraine and war status. It has become a collection of people trying to impress with their opinions on history, leadership, etc, and thus useless for any of us who would really like to assess what’s going on in this nasty situation. Would appreciate posters going somewhere else to post their childish “gotcha” comments and hold to the original purpose.

Posted by: Wilhelm | Mar 5 2023 18:15 utc | 283

Which system would you advocate for the advancement and benefit of humanity, or are these not goals you find desirable?
Posted by: irish al | Mar 5 2023 18:00 utc | 283
Would you steal from one person if this theft benefits humanity?

Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 5 2023 18:19 utc | 284

Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 5 2023 18:19 utc | 286
Dude, we’ve been gate-keepered by Wilhelm | Mar 5 2023 18:15 utc | 285.
I’ll see you on the open thread if you want to talk more balls…

Posted by: irish al | Mar 5 2023 18:31 utc | 285

Wilhelm@285….welcome to another day at the bar…..
Cheers

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 5 2023 18:39 utc | 286

@ Catilina | Mar 5 2023 14:49 utc | 257
If verified, exceeding dereliction & gross incompetence by AFU. More of it, I say! 😉
@ Bemildred | Mar 5 2023 17:25 utc | 275
Nothing much has changed.
Yet the mere possibility of it, has invigorated the RoW, no question, IMV.
@ Wilhelm | Mar 5 2023 18:15 utc | 285
Sigh … there is little more to be said re the specific Thread Topic. Now at the tail end of three pages of comments … do you have something to actually contribute outside meta commentary on a near dead thread ?
Perhaps wander over to the:
March 05, 2023, Ukraine Open Thread 2023-55
You are most welcome.

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 5 2023 18:43 utc | 287

Yet the mere possibility of it, has invigorated the RoW, no question, IMV.

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 5 2023 18:43 utc | 289
I feel optimistic, to be honest, but no point in understating the difficulties. I certainly wish them well. One could be jealous, I suppose, but I am not really in a position to complain.

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 5 2023 18:49 utc | 288

shadowbanned | Mar 5 2023 10:17 utc | 210
Normally, I ignore your chunders, but my eye caught sight of this gem :

I can’t believe what I am reading. Or rather, I can, I know where it comes from, but it is still astonishing stupidity
O delicious irony ! How sweet the scent and flavour ! Rem acu testigi !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Mar 5 2023 19:05 utc | 289

Do you know Bernard that Ukraine is full of cock hungry demented ukranian bitches? When I am în Lvov I only feed my you know what with brunette ukranian hoes.

Posted by: Icecold | Mar 5 2023 19:20 utc | 290

Does anybody know, what importance the gypsum caves under Bakhmut have for the ongoing defence? 236 feet deep and 60 acres large – a huge military warehouse? (well, apart from the sparkling wine, of course) Are these caves connnected to the salt mines of Soledar? Sounds to me a bit like Mariupol.

Posted by: Udkanten | Mar 5 2023 20:26 utc | 291

didn’t you say it’s not strategic a while ago and that Ukraine should withdraw to a different location ? can you make up your mind ?

Posted by: biohorta | Mar 6 2023 8:51 utc | 292

Posted by: Passerby | Mar 4 2023 22:49 utc | 95
The best kinds of arbitrary metric for evaluating evidence are the ones that make no sense!

Posted by: Old Fart Legion | Mar 6 2023 9:10 utc | 293

Excellent review of the first year of the conflict for those who understand French in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMiiovvEpj0&t=8s This is the link for part I. Jacques Baud is a retired Swiss colonel who has taken part in many UN missions. The other parts you can find easily, they have the same title. Clear, concise and to the point. An antidote for the fake news from a man with a long military background. He has also written a book about the first year (kindle) but this series (2 hours and 10 minutes) says it all.

Posted by: Teraspol | Mar 7 2023 17:20 utc | 294