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March 4, 2023
Bakhmut, Strategic Or Not, Is Falling

'Western' media can not decide if Bakhmut is a strategic city or has little strategic value. They claim both is the case.

Bakhmut is of course of strategic value. It is covering the crossing of three major train lines and four major roads (M-03, M-32, T-13-02, T-05-13). As such it is the linchpin of the whole Donbas region. Besides that it also has some valuable mineral mines.


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That is why the Ukrainian government has send ten thousands of its troops to fight and die for that city.

People who claim otherwise are simply coping.

Some examples:

This DW piece, originally written in Russian, is probably the best on the issue:

Bakhmut: What will be the outcome of the battle?DW – Mar 3, 2023

Bakhmut is of great strategic importance to both the Ukrainian and the Russian forces, says Marina Miron, a research fellow at the Centre for Military Ethics at King's College London. Miron believes that, if Russian troops capture the city, they will advance further, perhaps toward Kramatorsk.

"They would control important roads, cutting off the Ukrainian armed forces and making the defense much harder for them," says Miron. She warns that this would also undermine the morale of the Ukrainian troops, and could lead to Western partners losing confidence in the capabilities of the Ukrainian army.

Ralph Thiele, a retired German colonel who has served on the personal staff of NATO's Supreme Allied Commander Europe, agrees. "The Ukrainian side is basically compelled — also by its Western partners — to deliver successes. There has to be some sort of constant public justification for the huge amount of support being given to Ukraine," says Thiele.

Mike Martin, a researcher at King's College London, says Russia is persisting in its efforts to capture Bakhmut because it corresponds to Putin's stated war aim of, in his words, "liberating the Donbas." Martin explains: "If you look at the way the roads and the rail networks are arranged, there are two bigger settlements to the west of Bakhmut, but still in the Donbas: Sloviansk and Kramatorsk. And in order to take those bigger cities, which he needs to do to complete his strategic goal, he needs to take Bakhmut first."

The Ukrainians in Bakhmut and elsewhere are outgunned 10 to 1:

The Ukraine war has become a ferocious battle dominated by artillery and Ukrainian forces are operating at a huge disadvantage: Russia has numerical superiority of 10 heavy guns to every one at the disposal of Kyiv. Furthermore, Ukraine is running low on ammunition and requires urgent supplies of shells, Volodymyr Zelenskiy’s government has warned.

According to data from the European Commission to which EL PAÍS has had access, Russia fires between 40,000 and 50,000 artillery shells per day, compared to 5,000-6,000 Ukrainian forces expend. The Estonian government, which has been one of largest contributors to Kyiv’s war effort, puts the average use of artillery at between 20,000 and 60,000 Russian shells per day, and 2,000 to 7,000 Ukrainian rounds, according to a document sent to EU Member States by Tallinn, to which this newspaper has had access. These numbers equate to between 600,000 and 1.8 million Russian shells fired per month, compared to between 60,000 and 210,000 by Ukrainian artillery.

Over the last six weeks the Russian counter-battery campaign destroyed some additional 500 Ukrainian howitzers and multiple rocket launchers. The Russian Lancet suicide drones (videos) have done a lot of that work. Russia has thereby increased its own artillery advantage even more.

As artillery is the major killer in any modern war this also means that casualties on both sides will follow a similar ratio as the number of guns and rounds fired by each side.

For the last several weeks the daily 'clobber report' by the Russian Defense Ministry reported some 350-400 Ukrainian soldiers killed per day along the whole frontline. On Thursday that number increased to 640, stayed at 640 in Friday's report and increased to 880 in today's report. 490 of those were reported in the Bakhmut area.

BBC cooperates with other organization to count every announcement of a dead soldier in the Russian local media. Since the start of the war it has identified a total of 16,000:

Throughout 2022, Russian sources typically reported about 250–300 deaths each week, doubling in January and continuing to grow again in February.

Russian source report death per week at a lower rate than Ukrainian death per day. The ratio is again about 10 Ukrainians for 1 Russian. That number of Russian dead has doubled in January and further increased in February says the BBC. But the 10 to 1 ratio between Ukrainian and Russian dead will still have been the same.

I have said for a while that Bakhmut was in operational encirclement. Russian artillery could reach its last roads in and out. Since three days ago Bakhmut is in tactical encirclement. Russian direct fire, i.e. tank guns and hand held anti-tank missiles, can now cover all of Bakhmut's supply routes. They will shot at any car that attempts to drive there. Its one reason why the reported deaths have harshly increased.

Should the Ukraine decide to order its soldiers to stay in Bakhmut the city will be physically encircled. All roads will be blocked not only by fire but by heavily armed Russian checkpoints. The Ukrainian soldiers in Bakhmut, several thousands still seem to be there, will then be left with only two options: surrender or die.

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Western think tank admits China has lead in Tech War, “China Boasts ‘Stunning Lead’ Over US in Critical Tech Research, Study Says”:

China has already positioned itself as a potential key science and technology superpower, according to data from a critical tech tracker. The Asian giant can boast a “stunning lead” over the US in high-impact research across critical and emerging technologies, underscored the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI) [Link at Original].
China’s global dominance is already manifested in 37 out of 44 technologies tracked by the ASPI project, an independent, non-partisan think tank. These technological advances range from defense, space, robotics, energy, and the environment, to biotechnology, artificial intelligence (AI), advanced materials and key quantum technology areas.
Furthermore, for some of these critical technologies, their top 10 leading research institutions are based in China. These institutions of scientific knowledge, taken together, churn out nine times more high-impact research papers than the second-ranked country, which, in some instances, is the US.
China’s Academy of Sciences ranks first or second when it comes to a hefty part of these 44 technologies, the Critical Technology Tracker revealed. It also acknowledged that China’s impressive edge is the result of long-term policy planning, as oft-outlined by Chinese President Xi Jinping and his predecessors, the leaders of China’s Communist Party.

Matryanov laughed at this report as it omits Russia. The report, however, confirms what I see as the Outlaw US Empire’s biggest fears and thus its accusations of China directly aiding Russia’s SMO, which it’s doing indirectly along with RoW–the marriage of Chinese tech with Russia’s weapons science.
Somewhat related to the above reality is this Global Times op/ed that was picked up by Sputnik, “Powerless and ridiculous for US to cry for its recognition as regional leader”:

“Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren’t,” said former UK prime minister Margaret Thatcher. From this, we know how powerless and ridiculous it is when the US tries to persuade others by repeating, “I am still a leader, and you have to believe and admit it!”
In a video released Tuesday by NBC News, Nicholas Burns, the US Ambassador to China, who spoke by video link at a US Chamber of Commerce event, said Beijing must accept that Washington is a leader in Asia. He declared that China must now understand that “the US is staying in this region – we’re the leader in this region in many ways.”
What the US politician said implies two messages. First, he seems to criticize China for not understanding US’ presence in the Asia-Pacific. Second, Burns wants Beijing to acknowledge Washington’s leadership in the region. Yet, both are far from the truth.

Using Thatcher to slam the Outlaw US Empire clearly scored a rhetorical goal. And as the earlier article I provided about Burns’s great faux pas reported, his speech was very counter productive.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 4 2023 23:33 utc | 101

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 4 2023 21:58 utc | 86
Agree one hundred percent. In the past when reporting on the Donbass oblasts, every time he mentioned Donbass, he would repeat “the Lugansk and Donetsk People’s Republics” to the point where I was yelling at the screen. LOL
I mean, in a given video, he only needs to specify this stuff once, not every time. It’s his pedantic legal training.
But he’s cool. I just wish he would pronounce “Abrams” correctly. 🙂

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 4 2023 23:38 utc | 102

A question for barflies: Does an able leader need to resort to the use of force or coercion to maintain its leadership? I know what my answer is but what do ya’ll say?

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 4 2023 23:39 utc | 103

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 4 2023 21:50 utc | 85
Medvedex is a senior official – but Putin runs the show. And he’s more cautious than to start a war with NATO before it’s necessary.
But that depends on what NATO does. If Romania wants to help Moldova take Transnistria, and Poland wants to invade Ukraine, well…that’s a nice excuse to take out both countries – which nicely deals with those Aegis Ashore installations as a bonux. I can see it happening.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 4 2023 23:41 utc | 104

Cassad has some good info, but I suspect he’s overestimating the ability of Ukraine to put together a capable offensive force.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 4 2023 21:47 utc | 83
‘There is no greater danger than underestimating your opponent.’ — Lao Tzu

Posted by: Zet | Mar 4 2023 23:48 utc | 105

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 4 2023 23:39 utc | 103
Able leaders may or may not have to resort to force or coercion, but they often do. Looking at British history, two of the country’s most able leaders were Elizabeth I and Oliver Cromwell. They were absolutely brutal in terms of dealing with threats to their authority. In some respects Stalin was an able leader, at least until he got paranoid after World War 2 (the Doctors’ Plot, etc). He certainly used force and coercion. Ditto Genghis Khan. The question is, how and when do you use force and coercion? If you are using force and coercion as a sign of your weakness, you are done for – like the man Oliver Cromwell had beheaded, namely Charles I.

Posted by: Technophobe | Mar 4 2023 23:52 utc | 106

Just a general comment. It’s absolutely sickening how the corporate (and state!) Western media have covered promoted and sold this deadly war of attrition to the people of the EU, USA, Canada and Oceania. Strategic! Not so strategic! Russians heavy losses yay! Ukraine heavy losses boo!
Fucking pathetic and disgusting.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 4 2023 23:54 utc | 107

‘There is no greater danger than underestimating your opponent.’ — Lao Tzu
Posted by: Zet | Mar 4 2023 23:48 utc | 105
‘There is no greater good than overestimating and overselling your proxy.’ – Uncle Joseph Tzu

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 5 2023 0:00 utc | 108

A question for barflies: Does an able leader need to resort to the use of force or coercion to maintain its leadership?
Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 4 2023 23:39 utc | 103
Leadership has nothing to do with having power over someone; it’s about using your influence to inspire and empower your people to achieve something, at least in my mind.
Or as Sun Tzu put it: ‘A Leader leads by example, not by force’.

Posted by: Zet | Mar 5 2023 0:04 utc | 109

Pancho Plail #15

Accounts of the fighting indicate Ukraine losing one to three tanks a day. The elusive new Western tanks are going to have a mighty big hole to fill.

The director of the Military History Museum on the Don has written an open letter to the German ambassador in Russia asking for a Leopard 2 tank for his museum, because the restoration of a shot down specimen is very expensive.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 5 2023 0:16 utc | 110

Zet #109
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Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 5 2023 0:17 utc | 111

This should be added to 101 above, “China stands against ‘long-arm jurisdiction,’ focuses on legislation for countermeasures: NPC spokesperson”.
RSH @104–
Thanks for your reply. IMO, Medvedev’s been given the role of the Security Council’s mouthpiece as many of his more profound Telegram postings have come immediately after its meetings; and if some point needs greater emphasis, then Patrushev has an interview published. Things of a Sea-Change nature are delivered by Putin through his orations, many of which aren’t major speeches. That’s why IMO the entire team must be monitored as best as possible, which takes effort.
Technophobe @106–
Thanks for your reply. Most definitions of the term have the following in common:
1. One that leads or guides.
2. One who is in charge or in command of others.
3.
a. One who heads a political party or organization.
b. One who has influence or power, especially of a political nature.
I’d like to gather some more responses before making my overall reply, so you got to be first. Thanks!

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 5 2023 0:23 utc | 112

ukroids are doing the walk of shame out of there , do the road signs say this way to berlin ?

Posted by: hankster | Mar 5 2023 0:44 utc | 113

scary but exciting , we are yet to see a actual drone swarm attack like China purports to have in service. The claims so far of such in say Syria do not represent the showcased abilities. The true next evolution of modern warfare is upon us. Im actually suprised we havent seen this tested in real battle yet,
https://youtu.be/-xHwif78AWc

Posted by: hankster | Mar 5 2023 0:55 utc | 114

Vikichka | Mar 4 2023 20:58 utc | 70
Maybe Russia should capture vast numbers of UAF and use them to help reconstruct/rebuild Ukraine after the war. Did not Allies do that with German troops after WWII? Who best to gather up the mines then those that placed them?
RUMSFIELD/CHENEY/BUSH let the Iraqi soldiers return home almost immediately after hostilities ceased. They did that so US contractors could get the Iraqi reconstruction funds, not humanitarian reasons. However, perhaps that was a miscalculation since the repatriated Iraqi troops were then free to become insurgents.
Question. How will history repeat itself?

Posted by: Jerr | Mar 5 2023 0:57 utc | 115

A question for barflies: Does an able leader need to resort to the use of force or coercion to maintain its leadership?
Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 4 2023 23:39 utc | 103
Hmmm… good question … I’d suggest that a good leader uses all the appropriate tools at their disposal to achieve the objective. Too much stick and the people being led might become displeased and seek to over throw the leader … too much carrot and they might become too slovenly … therefore I would argue that a balance must be sought and the appropriate tool used at the appropriate time.

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Mar 5 2023 1:01 utc | 116

karlof1 on leadership
Larry Romanoff at blue moon of shanghai writes about the perversion of leadership in the USA and the west.
Translated from Lithuanian using mate.
It is a deep and exhaustive read. Note he is a blamer of zionist domination but if you skip that twist it is a valuable read with many useful historical elements. Read with Michael Hudson’s illuminating analysis of today it is mighty informative.

However, these people are not interested in either government or governance in the traditional sense of the meaning of these words. Instead, they organize the parasitic plundering of property from the population and want people to continue to be controlled. In addition, they are of little interest in anything. These people are vampires. They are parasites. They are saleslike and extroverted. Lofgren again:
“The deep state is vampirically extracting value from the American people. Although it appears to hover over the constitutional state, its fundamentally parasitic, extractive nature means that it is still tied to formal management procedures. They extract income from the American people wherever they can find a source of income: in public schools, housing, prisons, infrastructure, pipelines, fracking, oil and gas exploration, social security, privatization of health insurance and health care.”
We should not go on without noticing that this deep state or secret government is the source of the destruction of the social treaty that ruled the United States after the Second World War. It is these people who are responsible for the destruction of the American economy, the provision of outsourcing, deindustrialization, the destruction of labor, the extermination of the middle class and many other things. It is they who are responsible for all the ups and downs of the economy over the past more than 100 years, since they own the US Fed (and the central banks of other countries), and during each cycle they pull out huge wealth from the population. It was they who began the class war against all except the elites of the United States, Canada and all of Western Europe. It was they who organized the construction of the $ 5 billion. Us dollar investment in the overthrow of successive governments in Ukraine, and it is they who want to destroy Russia once again. They are also responsible for almost all of the interference in China’s internal affairs and the efforts to disrupt China’s progress. Here lies such great dangers that it is almost impossible to overestimate them, and it would be very stupid to ignore or reject them.

The Lofgren referred to is “Mike Lofgren is a high-ranking employee of the U.S. Congress, who served for 28 years on Capitol Hill, on both the House of Representatives and Senate budget committees, and in early 2014 wrote a short document, “The Anatomy of a Deep State,” in which he revealed his accumulated observations about the government behind the U.S. government throne. There are many names for this secret entity that has existed for at least the past 100 years. I followed Bernays’s example and called him a “secret government”; Lofgren uses the term “deep state”; they are the same. He began by stating: “I use this term to say that this is a mixed association of government elements and part of the highest level of finance and industry, which can effectively govern the United States without relying on the consent of those in power expressed through a formal political process.”

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 5 2023 1:01 utc | 117

This is a little off the subject, But the “Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley made an unannounced stop at a US base in Syria on Saturday, where he was “asked whether the Syrian occupation is worth the risks that it carries….” Milley responded that “…. removing the troops would jeopardize the security of the US and its allies [Israel]. “If you think that that’s important, then the answer is ‘Yes,’ …. I happen to think that’s important…”
Could someone, a troll perhaps, explain to me how ending the US illegal theft of Syrian oil is a risk to the people of the United States or Israel?

Posted by: Ed | Mar 5 2023 1:14 utc | 118

Leaders are followed. Bosses are obeyed.

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 5 2023 1:17 utc | 119

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 4 2023 23:39 utc | 103
A question for barflies: Does an able leader need to resort to the use of force
In political leadership it is unavoidable.
There will always be those who seek to destroy or subvert the existing political equilibrium for their own gain and these types do not have the patience and sophistication required to do so nonviolently.
Therefore, political leadership includes the understanding of when to employ violence.
In short:
While psychopaths, narcissists and all round assholes exist, violence will be required to deal with them.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 5 2023 1:33 utc | 120

ed@118. i am no troll. i shall respond b/c it’s a question near & dear to my heart. i believe empire needs/counts on selling the oil to israel as well as europe. empire is nearly bust, america’s reserves or are bt depleted the lng on the verge of gone…it will help itself to canada’s tar pit…bt that’s expensive (refining costs as well as transportation). therefore syria & iraq & iran (if only if only) are the answer of the day. dumpster essentially admitted it. empire has no shame.

Posted by: emersonreturn | Mar 5 2023 1:43 utc | 121

Almost Off Topic but relevant…
I was watching the fake news on abc.net.au this morning and the second item was a clip of Donald J Trump accusing NATO of being cheapskates and promising to put a stop to the idiocy which is threatening to start WW III.
He’s promising to be the “No WW III” POTUS, if elected.
If nothing else it might create an opportunity to measure the degree to which the warmongers are scaring the crap out of The People.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 5 2023 1:47 utc | 122

A question for barflies: Does an able leader need to resort to the use of force or coercion to maintain its leadership? I know what my answer is but what do ya’ll say?
Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 4 2023 23:39 utc | 103
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karlof1, I think your question is too broad for a reasonable answer. For example, a leader of what, and under what conditions or circumstances? The leader of a Cub Scout platoon would not be expected to use corrosion or force, but for a General during war time, coercion and force may be required.
Leading by example in either case is surely a requirement, as someone already pointed out, but a leader in wartime or under very stressful circumstances may not always be loved but his/her authority must be respected.
Still, I am sure you have an answer that will make us all say: Shit, why didn’t I think of that. So, let us have it?

Posted by: Ed | Mar 5 2023 1:51 utc | 123

Posted by: Ed | Mar 5 2023 1:14 utc | 118
Could someone, a troll perhaps, explain to me how ending the US illegal theft of Syrian oil is a risk to the people of the United States or Israel?
For the USA and israel every prosperous and militarily powerful state is a threat because it reduces their options to act freely as they wish.
If Syria was an economically and militarily powerful state with the capacity to fund Hezbollah and hamas in it’s resistance to israel, with the capacity to fund Iraqi resistance against American occupation the USA and israel would be incredibly constrained in their planning for the middle east.
Therefore Syria must be starved of all potential economic growth that might fund it’s military capabilities.
Simple really, once you understand how they think …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 5 2023 1:53 utc | 124

Posted by: emersonreturn | Mar 5 2023 1:43 utc | 121
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Thank you for your response. I agree with you completely. I had hoped a pro US Imperialist would try to justify it, but I guess that was too much to expect from a cowardly troll, which just goes to show that they know that US Imperalism is a load of shit.

Posted by: Ed | Mar 5 2023 1:57 utc | 125

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 4 2023 23:39 utc | 103
On leadership and leading by example and consensus: Australian PM (1945-9), Ben Chifley. He was a railway worker who rose through the ALP to be PM after the war. He didn’t own a house, and refused to live in The Lodge (official residence of the PM in Canberra), but used it only for official receptions. He also refused a car service preferring to ride his bike from a rented hotel room to his offices every morning. He was a working man who ran Australia for working people.
He was a post-war reconstruction leader of great stature.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Chifley

Posted by: Patroklos | Mar 5 2023 2:00 utc | 126

Vikichka | Mar 4 2023 20:58 utc | 70
I was thinking, what if the Wagnerians took in some of the cannon fodder Ukrainian kids that Zelensky so cynically sent to Bakhmut to be human shields, and offered them contracts after some recuperation?
They might make effective fighters in a few years, especially if they wake up to the fact that they were used as meat shields by the coke head Z.

Posted by: Chris | Mar 5 2023 2:07 utc | 127

@124 yes weakening Syria strengthens Israel. A strong unfied Syrian could threaten northern Israel and ally with Lebanon against it.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 5 2023 2:08 utc | 128

I would know almost nothing about The Ukraine, except foy buying a really good Zenith Camera and Enlarger when I was a kid..except for The Saker…
I had been reading him avidly – the only guy in competition with The Saker was Dmitry Orlov
But The Saker did it all for Free.
Now The Saker’s website has gone..and I miss him
I didn’t agree with him re the clotshot…brainwashed – I don’t know – lovely wife and kids in Florida with a strong American accent – then his home washed away in Florida by a hurricane
I reckon The Saker is a good man, and I wish him and his family well,,,
If you believe the propaganda, whilst you don’t even know, you are being exposed to it…you may be the first in the queue to get jabbed, and then you go back again and get boosted.
You may not be aware that you are slowly getting wasted…and you can’t do any more when you reach the age of 60..and realise the bastards are killing you too..
This is a Depopulation Event – Get used To It… They are trying their best to kill you too.
RESIST
Tony

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Mar 5 2023 2:12 utc | 129

uncle tungsten | Mar 4 2023 22:52 utc | 96
karlof1 | Mar 4 2023 23:39 utc | 103
re: Leaders v. Mis-leaders
re “…the Dutch ‘legal system’ as they have cursed our planet for too many centuries.”
It is not ancient history that Royal Dutch Petroleum merged with Shell Transport early 1900s to become Royal Dutch Shell…under the Dutchman Deterding who also became Brit citizen. Petroleum was made an existential ingredient for domination to control planet Earth.
FOOD-shelter-Clothing needed the addition of Energy to enable the peculiar Industries required for global domination…AKA Dominion.
One peculiar industry was the Money System developed to overwhelm all opposition., all the while “maturing” a Legal System that included the absolute authority offered by a Royalty-chimera in combination with, as required, unlimited technologies of assassination using soft communication [like propaganda, media, mind control… or more solid like bullets, bombs. torture].
Justice AKA fairness, delivered by a Legal-System, has been re-defined to something else. The universal urge to nurture and cooperate via Mutual Aid has been crushed.
Orwell’s 1984 is upon us. We are unable to recognize Leaders from Mis-Leaders…those who Lead us out of pain, misery and away from wrong decisions…and those who Mis-Lead us into our extinction.
leaders educate = to lead out. Mis-Leaders lead in.

Posted by: chu teh | Mar 5 2023 2:12 utc | 130

Abetter question that “Does an able leader need to resort to the use of force or coercion to maintain its leadership” has to be: Does the population of an able sovereign nation need a leader? If so how can it claim to be either able or sovereign?

Posted by: Debsisdead | Mar 5 2023 2:21 utc | 131

Is there any evidence any Ukrainians have come to the realization that they’ve been had?
I haven’t seen any evidence among my neocon friends. But they’re on a slow learning curve.

Posted by: Charles Peterson | Mar 5 2023 2:24 utc | 132

Excellent question! But can a sovereign nation be able to exist without a leader?

Posted by: lex talionis | Mar 5 2023 2:29 utc | 133

emersonreturn #121
ed #118
The common point is humiliation.
Cuba has been humiliated and impoverished by the cowards since Batista was installed as President in 1952 and then aggressively punished for the Cuban people’s victory in 1959.
Syria is constantly humiliated by occupation of the Golan Heights directly by Israel and Idlib by Israels terrorist gangs ISIS, and al Tanf aby USA and ISIS and USA and Kurds with their theft of croplands and oil.
Ukraine is humiliated by the nazi occupation ideology and theft of their croplands and industry and peaceful existence.
Germany is humiliated along with europe in general through the NS2 pipeline blast.
Russia is humiliated with the Moskva destruction.
Russia is humiliated with the relentless insults, blame and eastward advance of nato bases and novichok and MH17 perpetual trial.
Iran is humiliated by assassinations, nuclear treaties, unceasing assaults on its forces assisting Syria.
China is humiliated by UK occupation of Hong Kong then and virtual occupation of Taiwan now.
The vassals of the evil warmongers are humiliated daily in their ritual kow tow to the emperor.
Its what a great power and its puppets do and it’s humiliation manias mostly lead to violence and war. Reverse humiliation always goes down badly as can be seen in Israel and USA who are vindictive in the extreme but it is mostly the only weapon that works against their persistent humiliation and destruction in the world.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 5 2023 2:43 utc | 134

Stalin, no paranoid, to Problem One awoke.
Not long after, had his Jew Purim stroke.

Posted by: Bob | Mar 5 2023 2:45 utc | 135

karlof1 | Mar 4 2023 23:39 utc | 103
Q: Does an able leader need to resort to the use of force or coercion to maintain its leadership?
A: There’s a line in, I think, a Clint Eastwood movie: “Do you feel like you’re in charge?” [Attention, pedantic posters- Actual accuracy irrelevant.]
The point- if you’re in control, you know it, and those you control absolutely know it.
The U$ feels it’s grip on Russia/ China/ RoW is like squeezing jelly.
The harder they squeeze, the more everything escapes, leaving a mess everywhere.
The U$ performance on the world stage right now is that of a petulant, whiny 10-year old, throwing a tantrum and withdrawing their bat and ball when they are caught and given out.
“Yes, please do leave”, say the rest of the neighbourhood kids.
“There are other bats, other balls, and other backyards”.
“Noooooo”. Says U$. “You are only allowed to play with my bat and my ball in my backyard. But only the kids I like are invited. And because it’s my bat and my ball and my backyard, I’m the one making the rules.
And my rules, I get extra turns and can’t be given out unless I say so.”.
By about age 10 most kids have realised this approach doesn’t work.
The U$ is right now going through some excruciating growing pains from spoilt rich kid calling the shots, to fat loser that no one likes…
Ed | Mar 5 2023 1:51 utc | 123
Coercion/force …”leader of a Cub Scout platoon(for instance)
In my experience, theres nothing *nothing* more despotic and psychopathic than “leadership” in small community volunteer groups.. Stalin would blush at the control, coercion and force exhibited… … but YMMV…
Bob | Mar 5 2023 2:45 utc | 135
Stalin. / paranoid….
Because indeed, they *were* out to get him.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 5 2023 2:50 utc | 136

Jerr #115
Perhaps many Ukraine pow’s will return home with a short rope, guitar or piano string. They will possibly seek out those thugs and their running dogs that press ganged them into the front lines.
There will need to be a lot of rebuilding in the current warzone and some extensive work in the west of novorossiya. I guess there will be work in the agriculture sector as well given that agribusiness will be bleating for some decades to get access to the lands they own stole.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 5 2023 2:53 utc | 137

I’d like to comment briefly on the “Colonel Cassad” blog posted up thread Cassad Bloviates on Ukraine offensive.
I regard it as fantasy. Cassad is not, AFAIK, a military man, but a blogger. He substantiates zero of his article. Up to 160K Ukraine troops? Hundreds of tanks? Swarms of drones?
Let’s just examine two areas: does the Ukraine have the logistics to mount such an offensive? How would it transport the fuel, ammo, etc?
Could it concentrate the mountain of equipment/resources needed secretly enough to prepare to attack the Russians or would it get destroyed on the way?
I believe the Scots have an expression for this sort of thing: “Pish.”

Posted by: JulianJ | Mar 5 2023 2:53 utc | 138

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Mar 5 2023 2:55 utc | 139
why do you care what b looks like, and why should he resign, and what does the “clotshot” have to do with the Ukraine war?

Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 5 2023 3:04 utc | 139

reply to 138
I think we need more thought about the huge changes that have emerged on the battlefield in this war. Any offensive needs surprise – and where’s that? Drones, satellites may have made blitzkreig nearly impossible. The Battle of the Bulge relied on Allied air cover being temporarily blind by weather. Not gonna happen. In addition, Ukraine would need the intense discipline of not using their conserved forces while Russia keeps the grinding going and moving forward.

Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 5 2023 3:11 utc | 140

Suspect that the longer this continues, the more wealthy becomes Zelensky.
Posted by: jared | Mar 4 2023 18:40 utc | 28
I really don’t think he’ll live to enjoy the bulk of the cash. Once he’s no longer useful he’ll be toast. He knows too much.
Posted by: PalmaSailor | Mar 4 2023 20:03 utc | 57
Suspect his fate will depend on how the war ends. Expect he knows to stay on script and keep his mouth shut. If a continuing sabotage/resistance then Z will sit in his Miami Mansion with the occasional interview in khaki. If it is decided to let Ukraine go and move on then he has no further usefulness outside martyrdom.

Posted by: Organic | Mar 5 2023 3:16 utc | 141

@ uncle tungsten | Mar 5 2023 0:16 utc | 110
Yay, they have a Betka, a BT:
http://donskoy-museum.com/tanki_i_bronemashiny
I wonder if they ever take it out, drop the treads, and let it whip off down the road at 50 mph?
They were lightly-gunned and -armored, and intended to operate in masses in the liberation of a Europe exhausted in the trenches of the upcoming Second Imperialist-Capitalist War.
According to Suvorov/Rezun in Icebreaker/Ledokol, there were more Betkas in existence than all other tank-models of all countries combined in the latter ’30s.
Most ended up recycled after the war went East (bad roads) instead of West.

Posted by: John Kennard | Mar 5 2023 3:18 utc | 142

@ tonyopmoc | Mar 5 2023 2:55 utc | 139
stay away from the mind altering whatever it is you are using tony… it makes you look like a fool here..

Posted by: james | Mar 5 2023 3:25 utc | 143

Therefore, Syria must be starved of all potential economic growth that might fund its military capabilities.
Simple really, once you understand how they think …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 5 2023 1:53 utc | 124
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Very true Arch, but I asked: “Could someone explain… how ending the US illegal theft of Syrian oil is a risk to the people of the United States or Israel?”
The point being “the PEOPLE of the US or Israel.” Of course, the people include everyone, but the policy to steal the oil and destroy the lives and lively hood of the people of Syria is made by, and in the interest of, a very tiny fraction of the “PEOPLE” in the US and Israel.
That is why the PEOPLE must be divided into its constitute parts: The ruling class and those who are NOT the ruling class, i.e. slaves, serfs, and the working class, what else is there under capitalism? The over whelming majority of the NOT the ruling class is NOT at risk by ending the theft of Syrian oil by the US ruling class.

Posted by: Ed | Mar 5 2023 3:27 utc | 144

uncleT@134, thank you for your reply to ed & myself. yes, humiliation, the very same the chinese refer to as The Century of Humiliation. empire has such a century to look forward to…or perhaps 2? we few living in the intestines of empire are a slow sorry lot.

Posted by: emersonreturn | Mar 5 2023 3:28 utc | 145

Ed | Mar 5 2023 1:51 utc | 123
Coercion/force …”leader of a Cub Scout platoon(for instance)
In my experience, theres nothing *nothing* more despotic and psychopathic than “leadership” in small community volunteer groups.. Stalin would blush at the control, coercion and force exhibited… … but YMMV…
Bob | Mar 5 2023 2:45 utc | 135
Stalin. / paranoid….
Because indeed, they *were* out to get him.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 5 2023 2:50 utc | 136
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Melaleuca, it sounds like you had a Stalin moment with a bad Cub Scout Master. LOL….

Posted by: Ed | Mar 5 2023 3:35 utc | 146

Has Blinken really lost the plans to Nuland? Say it ain’t so. The fall of Bakhmut, up next is Crimea !!!!?
This is more than just a thought provoking piece in the Asia Times. Written by Stephen Bryen, a senior fellow at the Center for Security Policy and the Yorktown Institute.
A coming wider war with Crimea in US sights
Selected extracts:

Ukrainian forces are pulling out of Bakhmut and the battle for the small Donetsk city is nearly finished. So what happens next?
There appear to be two stages to the Bakhmut pullout. The first started perhaps a month ago, though that isn’t certain. The troops pulled out comprised foreign fighters and Yellow Armband troops.[.]
As it now stands, the end of the battle is at most a few days away, although the Ukrainians have launched a counteroffensive to the west and south of a town called Ivanivske. The operation may be meant to hold off a wider encirclement of Ukrainian forces that the Russians appear to have launched.
The Yellow Armband Ukrainian forces trying to relieve Ivanivske are deploying a number of infantry fighting vehicles, but so far few if any tanks. Whether Ukraine’s army can actually hold off a wider Russian operation remains to be seen.
 
But the Ukrainians are low on soldiers and ammunition, so it isn’t clear they can sustain a hard hit if that’s what the Russians intend to launch.
Up next: Crimea
The US and NATO likely see the handwriting on the wall if the Ukrainians continue to try and hold territory in the Donbas region. 
While the US thinks that Russia failed to succeed in its original objectives in the Donbas and in forcing a governmental change in Kiev, the long-term picture looks troublesome as the Russians have not only improved their tactics but also appear willing to pay the price and grind down Ukraine’s army.
Likewise, it is by now clear that it will take more than a few years in the US and Europe to rebuild ammunition and equipment stocks, while the Russians seem to have put their defense manufacturing on a full-time, day-and-night basis to bring supplies to the front.
There are two key signals of a possible US-NATO change in strategy that are perceptible if we understand that NATO, at least so far, does what the US says it needs to do.
New deliveries of special types of long-range ammunition to Kiev are the first signal. The second is the publicized switch by Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland to favoring a refocus on retaking Crimea in a new Ukrainian offensive.


“[W]e will support Ukraine for as long as it takes. Ukraine is fighting for the return of all of its land within its international borders. We are supporting them, including in preparing a next hard push to regain their territory…Crimea must be—at a minimum, at a minimum—demilitarized.”

Nuland’s view is not supported fully by the State Department or the Pentagon, largely because of concern Russia may choose to attack Western supply lines in retaliation, leading to a broader war in Eastern Europe, starting with Poland and Romania.
[.]
Fast forward to the present, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken is known to worry about a wider conflict but may well have lost out to Nuland, a major proponent of the Ukraine war who wants at a minimum regime change in Moscow.
The evidence that Nuland has won the argument starts with the fact Biden has announced a new long-range weapons program for Ukraine and is also sending mobile bridging equipment that could help the Ukrainian army attack Russian forces in Crimea [.]
The Nuland threat to Crimea appears more and more to be a foregone conclusion: a US policy with existential implications for Europe and perhaps also for America.
The issue was decided by the new arms shipments (two separate announcements as late as March 3 US time). While no published decision has been made and Biden has been silent, the equipment being sent could only be intended for Nuland’s offensive on Crimea.[.] (original emphasis)
Full article, ASIATIMES

left to ponder that the Maiden midwife has been let loose. Again!! Her encore will not end well.

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 5 2023 3:41 utc | 147

AZ 🛰🌏🌍🌎@AZgeopolitics
🏴‍☠️🇺🇸🇬🇧🇪🇺🇺🇦Daily reminder that AFU was and is being trained by “The West civilised society” who train terrorists all around the globe…
“Spartan” armored personnel carriers from UK, ike many other foreign weapons, are delivered to Ukraine in civilian trucks.

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1632128860501295104
Video in Tweet

Posted by: Down South | Mar 5 2023 3:43 utc | 148

TRUTH PUKE@TruthPuke
#NATO military equipment in the port of Gdynia, #Poland.

https://twitter.com/TruthPuke/status/1632140851119001600
Video in Tweet

Posted by: Down South | Mar 5 2023 3:47 utc | 149

The Armed Forces of Ukraine are using more and more reserves to hold Artemovsk; Volyn Terodefense is being transferred to the city.
The difficult situation at the front is forcing the Armed Forces of Ukraine to bring reserves into battle from the other side of the country. As support for the troops, the Ukrainian General Staff sends a territorial defense brigade to the east of the country—namely, to Artemovsk (Bakhmut).
This is confirmed by the independent media themselves. Given that the retreat from this important strategic strong point remains a matter of time, the unit will probably have to cover those leaving the city.
At the same time, the 100th separate brigade of the Volyn Territorial Defense was not previously involved in the battles, since it occupied positions on the western border and men with health restrictions were recruited there. In the Telegram channels, a collection was urgently opened for the purchase of drones for their unit before being sent to a meeting with the “orchestra.”

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/35919

Posted by: Down South | Mar 5 2023 3:52 utc | 150

Posted by: Ed | Mar 5 2023 3:27 utc | 145
The point being “the PEOPLE of the US or Israel.” Of course, the people include everyone, but the policy to steal the oil and destroy the lives and lively hood of the people of Syria is made by, and in the interest of, a very tiny fraction of the “PEOPLE” in the US and Israel.
The thing is, Ed, it’s not just a tiny fraction of the PEOPLE of United States and israel that enjoy an “exorbitant privilege”
This “exorbitant privilege” can only be maintained while other states are crushed under the neo-imperial boot.
The results of suppressing the economic and security conditions of countries like Syria benefit all the people of the USA in one way or another.
The PEOPLE (all of them, rich and poor) enjoy the results of dollar hegemony backed by the US military and it’s control over tiny, strategic countries like Syria, Lebanon and Palestine.
Now, when you speak about “risk” you need to qualify what is “at risk” and in this context we’re speaking about the “exorbitant privilege” enjoyed by the American people (dollar hegemony) and the israelis (who are afforded the privilege of land they never worked for and which does not belong to them).
So what is “at risk” is the exorbitant privilege and those who risk it are both the elites and the peasants who feed off the ill gotten crumbs of their elite masters …
To put it another way:
If the “exhorbitant privilege” USA/israel enjoys were removed tomorrow then all sectors of these societies would suffer, since we are all tacitly complicit in enjoying the fruits of a global system of oppression.
That’s what’s at risk …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 5 2023 3:54 utc | 151

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️War Map and the Situation on the Fronts in the Evening of 4 Mar 2023; pub. 00:05⚡️
⚔️ Situation on the Fronts for the past Day
🔹#Svatovo – #Kremennaya Direction:
▪️ The situation has not seriously changed over the day. According to the Russian Ministry of Defence, the RF Armed Forces, supported by artillery and aviation, carried out strikes on AFU militants in the areas of #Novosyolovskoye LPR, #Gryanikovka, #Timkovka and #Tabayevka in #Kharkov region. The enemy suffered losses of over 90 militants, one tank and six vehicles.
➖ In addition, air and artillery strikes hit militant formations in the areas of #Yampolovka in the DPR, #Chervonopopovka and #Kuzmino in the LPR.
🔹#Artyomovsk (#Bakhmut) Sector:
➖ Wagner PMC fighters drove militants from the south of Dubovo-Vasilyevka and also occupied territory around #Zaliznyanskoye (further to the north).
➖ In #Artyomovsk, the “orchestrators” are engaged in fierce fighting. AFU militants continue to flee the city en masse, of course, the most combat capable ones.
🔹#Donetsk Direction:
➖ The Russian army continues to advance in #Maryinka, as well as advancing on the southern and northern outskirts of the town.
➖ In addition, the RF Armed Forces are advancing towards #Pervomayskoye as well.
🔹#Zaporozhye (#SouthDonetsk) Direction:
▪️ Positional fighting continues at #Ugledar. Our marines, supported by artillery, continue to hold in the dachas.
💥 In the Areas of #Suvorovo DPR and #Pokrovskoye in Dnepropetrovsk region, Russian Aerospace Forces shot down two Ukrainian Mi-8s. In the vicinity of #Novosyolovka, #Zaporozhye region, another Mi-8 of the Ukrainian air force was shot down by air defence forces.

https://t.me/sitreports/5356

Posted by: Down South | Mar 5 2023 3:56 utc | 152

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 4 2023 23:01 utc | 97
Ha! Well put, and it reminded me of Daniel Craig’s first appearance as James Bond, and his line as he explained to a corrupt Bureaucrat why MI6 though he deserved to be terminated.
James Bond : M doesn’t mind you earning a little money on the side, Dryden. She’d just prefer it if it wasn’t selling secrets.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0381061/characters/nm0801674

Posted by: Babel-17 | Mar 5 2023 4:08 utc | 153

To put it another way:
If the “exhorbitant privilege” USA/israel enjoys were removed tomorrow then all sectors of these societies would suffer, since we are all tacitly complicit in enjoying the fruits of a global system of oppression.
That’s what’s at risk …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 5 2023 3:54 utc | 152
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Understood Arch, but after the fall of the Imperial capitalist class system with all that that system entails, including internal and international exploitation of the majority, then perhaps a better system can be devised. Huuum! I wonder what kind of system that could be? Surely, humanity won’t go back to slavery or feudalism. There must be something beyond the exploitation of humanity.

Posted by: Ed | Mar 5 2023 4:09 utc | 154

Posted by: Ed | Mar 5 2023 4:09 utc | 155
Huuum! I wonder what kind of system that could be? Surely, humanity won’t go back to slavery or feudalism.
Ed, everyone, this has to be a society governed by a self sustaining protocol decoupled from any hierarchy or centrally located anchor.
A designed, self enforcing “system” based on scientific principles and shaped around the fragilities of human psychology.
A protocol designed to maximize the freedom of the individual while preserving the well being of the collective.
A system free of hierarchy.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 5 2023 4:23 utc | 155

🇷🇺🇺🇦 Fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine after the fire of the Russian troops are knocked out of Bakhmut, taking out the wounded on construction wheelbarrows

https://t.me/intelslava/45419
Same video on Twitter
https://twitter.com/ESSA_A1I/status/1632146936584126464

Posted by: Down South | Mar 5 2023 4:36 utc | 156

That’s what’s at risk …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 5 2023 3:54 utc | 152

Empires are “wealth pumps”, pumping wealth from the periphery towards the center.
That isn’t done purely to enrich the center, it is done to resolve the internal contradictions in the center, because you don’t have to do wealth redistribution if you can plunder others instead. So the elites get richer, but it is not at the expense of impoverishing the masses to the point where the masses would revolt. Thus the masses are indeed secondary beneficiaries of empire even if their lives aren’t all that great in absolute terms — it would be much worse otherwise.
But once the plunder stops, the system becomes unstable because the internal contradictions tear it apart and it collapses.
It is what happened to Rome and many others.
And it is the reason why we have a war now. In fact, the West should have collapsed in the 1990s after it went bankrupt in the 1970s. Instead it bought a couple decades more by plundering the former Eastern Bloc, but after Putin came to power limits were placed on that. Then the West went bankrupt again in 2008, and now it needs to buy more time by totally plundering Russia.
P.S. There is one exception in all of history — the USSR, which operated the wealth pump in reverse, subsidizing the periphery. It could do so because it wasn’t capitalist, but despite that it still imported instability instead of exporting it, and then it was collapsed from within.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 5 2023 4:45 utc | 157

@ karlof1 | Mar 4 2023 23:39 utc | 103

A question for barflies: Does an able leader need to resort to the use of force or coercion to maintain its leadership? I know what my answer is but what do ya’ll say?

Hm, somewhat OT … OTOH …
TL&DR:

Ten ably led will overcome a hundred without a head.

An able leader, inspires & engenders respect & trust.
Is genuine, honest & open and avoids unnecessary deceit. This does not mean inability to omit, or deflect or fail to respond/extrapolate on divisive or crucial matters. Draws people to them because they desire & support the objectives & outcomes clearly defined, articulated & envisaged. Can only be so because one is a mentor & teacher capable of identifying & empowering subordinates based on ability, merit, competence, potential, honesty, integrity & trust, who are also able leaders themselves. Does not fear or feel threatened by capable, competent subordinates …
Tutors, councils & develops subordinates potential, whilst constantly encouraging collective advancement, initiative, responsibility, improvement, optimums, active voluntary contribution & critical discussion so as to apply positively ongoing lessons learned without denigration, humiliation or carelessly attributing blame, on a continual basis. Is largely selfless & seeks the betterment of the whole as their goal/legacy. Has honest compassion & goodwill & ensures support & succour for those who through fate or circumstance are unable or incapable or limited in doing so themselves. Has a higher vision, realistic objectives & goals that unite & inspire.
Minimal possible force/coercion/compulsion/discipline is necessary where guidance/counselling/mentoring fails re dealing with amoral, dissolute, disingenuous, venal, incompetent, selfish, gluttonous, covetous, disruptive or self-centred individuals or cliques act contrary to the collective goal & common good. Non team players, community outliers.
Where force or arbitrary coercion, excluding extreme situations of collective threat & safety, is necessary to maintain the leadership internally, then all has already been lost, failed, and only delays &/or accelerates or aggravates demise/dissolution/destruction.
The growth, the betterment & development of the whole, comes about because the co-operative voluntary sum of the will & efforts of the whole, exceeds that of the individuals or groups involved. Sum of the parts …
Asks of another, or group nothing they would not do nor endure or sacrifice themselves, demonstrably. Treats & engages with all as equals. Strives for cohesive, co-operative collective endeavor, not division, disunity, fragmentation, instigated rivalries & factions, silos, to retain position & power against misperceived/imagined ‘threats’ to the self or position/entitlement/status.
Tends to selflessness, compassion, determination, understanding, insight, humility, self-depreciation, open honesty, good humor, forgiveness, self-sacrifice, self-discipline, honor & mercy, whilst always determinedly & resolutely aiming to elevate & develop individuals, others & groups to achieve their & the collectives, full potential.
Serves, protects & defends the common good first & foremost, always, without fear or favor & is demonstrably seen & understood to do so.
Is perceived as a friend, companion, compatriot you would gladly invite to the family dinner table.
2 cents is up, stream of consciousness over. Out.
Peace Salaam Shalom

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 5 2023 5:18 utc | 158

It is spelled “Donbass” not “Donbas”

Posted by: pelle | Mar 5 2023 5:19 utc | 159

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦 #Bakhmut/#Artemovsk is almost encircled. The O0506 road through #Khromove is unusable due the blown up bridge. The bridge over T0504 road was blown up as well. The last way, how the Ukrainian forces can retreat is through muddy fields.

https://t.me/intelslava/45420

Spring thaw in Donbass
🪖 Pickups and departures from Artyomovsk look like this.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/35933
Same video on Twitter
https://twitter.com/ALEXANDRAKOVITT/status/1630880026601181186

Posted by: Down South | Mar 5 2023 5:21 utc | 160

👉👉👉 Ukrainian 46th brigade
A lottery awaits all comrades who leave the city. Several evacuation groups tried to leave at night and during the day. One returned after being shelled by the orcs, and two, unfortunately, did not. Leaving the city is now almost impossible. Only with a great risk to life. The only two roads are now under the fire control of the occupiers. Both day and night. Even dirt and back roads.
Solidarity syndrome, hello?
This is what we were talking about. The defense of a city to destroy enemy troops should not end with the impossibility of leaving the city. The city is not surrounded – no.
Because our comrades are making great efforts to hold back the corridor from Bakhmut to Kostyantynivka. To do this, for several days they have been conducting constant counterattacks to push the enemy away from the Bakhmut-Konstantinovka and Bakhmut-Chasiv Yar highways.
The enemy is well aware of this, so it simply shells everything leaving Bakhmut with all kinds of artillery and aircraft. Russia has no goal to physically close the exit from the city, we have already talked about this. They don’t want to waste their forces on storming the besieged city, the task is to squeeze us out of Bakhmut. Good luck to all our comrades.

https://t.me/sitreports/5361

Posted by: Down South | Mar 5 2023 5:25 utc | 161

@pelle, #161
I’ve wondered many times how “Donbass” comes from “Donets Basin”? I don’t see where the second “s” comes into play unless its something from the translation from Russian. Wikipedia has it either way…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donbas

Posted by: DakotaRog | Mar 5 2023 5:40 utc | 162

Likklemore | Mar 5 2023 3:41 utc
It’s worth looking over at William Schryver’s substack for a suggestion re Crimea. Boils down to Flypaper:
1. Open a path to the coast, attractive enough to let the Ukroids organize forces and start to move.
2. Let them advance along that.
3. Apply bug spray from 3 to 4 sides.
Ride across the river

Posted by: Waymad | Mar 5 2023 5:51 utc | 163

Posted by: Down South | Mar 5 2023 5:25 utc | 163
This is similar what happened in Klischiivka in January, when it was “semi” encircled. The Kraken/azov caught left on the trenches on west side, tried to leave at night and were spotted. Then artillery etc. caught most of them. This can be just as effective as a full encirclement, yes, some will get away, but more likely than not a lot of time is saved and there’s still a lot of disruption, casualties during the withdrawal process. They can already start hitting stuff in Chasov Yar and Konstantinovka before they even have Bakhmut.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 5 2023 6:07 utc | 164

❗️ From Ukrainian TG channels:
🔺 The General Staff continues to form new brigades for the spring counterattack on the Crimea. For this, more than 10 thousand soldiers trained in the EU and Britain are understaffed with those mobilized in Ukraine and transferred to the Dnieper / Zaporozhye.
🔺 More than 10 Leopard tanks arrived in Ukraine, but they are “protected” until April, when the thaw ends.
🔺 On the scale of corruption: the head of the Lviv region, Maxim Kozitsky, issued 60,000 exit permits for men under the Shlyakh system. At the same time, the cost of such a permit is from 3 to 7 thousand dollars . And that’s just in one area.
🔺 In addition, a lot of money is made on the purchase of military weapons, the cost of which is 300-500% higher than the purchase price. The authorities also acquire the same equipment several times, and then write it off as losses at the front. The same thing happens with medicines/equipment/clothing for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/35938

Posted by: Down South | Mar 5 2023 6:08 utc | 165

@Helmuth von Moltke 71
The salt in the white cardboard with blue lettering that we bought for decades disappeared off all shelves nine or ten months ago. I was looking in January at a last remaining box we had just emptied and learned it was from “Artyomsol” of “Bakhmut Region, Ukraine”
Similar thing with one of the best ketchup brands – Chumak. “Donetsk Region, Ukraine”. Gone almost a year now – though I have hopes it was in an area quickly liberated so we can stock up next time we are in Belarus…

Posted by: DZhMM | Mar 5 2023 6:13 utc | 166

@Richard Steven Hack | Mar 4 2023 21:37 utc | 79

I don’t think Russia will do anything militarily to “clear” the countries beyond Ukraine’s borders. I suspect they will wait until the economic war has trashed the EU and the US and forced them to come to the negotiating table over those 2021 treaty proposals.

Painting with a wide brush, I think this is mostly a correct representation of the Russian thinking. The Russians will always prefer a negotiated settlement, even if the other side needs to be “persuaded” to come to the negotiation table.

With the overthrow of the European governments east and west, Russia will regain willing partners for the removal of those weapons eventually.

The overthrow of the European governments is necessary to regain partners to deal with. However, the illegitimate US government must be overthrown as well.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 5 2023 6:20 utc | 167

@karlof1 | Mar 4 2023 21:46 utc | 82

Do take note that the Kiev regime isn’t Ukraine anymore but Malorossiya, clearly an indication about the correctness of my endgame prediction–No more Ukraine.

Thanks for your posts in general and for pointing this out. That appears to be a very significant message from Medvedev about how the whole thing will end.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 5 2023 6:27 utc | 168

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 5 2023 6:20 utc | 169
“However, the illegitimate US government must be overthrown as well.”
That’s going to be the hard part. The EU governments have been overthrown in the past – the US has never had a revolution. And it’s a big country with a big population which is massively divided along multiple lines of conflict. So the country may fall apart but it’s unlikely to come together to effect a real change in government. And falling apart could make the situation much worse depending on who does gain control – and the most ruthless ones will usually win that game.
A lot of people disagree with that, but I can’t see the mechanism to do it – not when the entire government structure, including the entire Congress and the media, is against it and will use every legal and illegal trick in the book to prevent it.
I’ve said before that only two things can change the US: 1) a major economic collapse which reduces it the level of Britain, and/or 2) a major military defeat in which the US loses much of its serious military assets, i.e., the bulk of its carrier forces and a lot of its Air Force, and tens or scores of thousands of dead ground troops. The latter pretty much implies war with Russia or China – and that, of course, risks nuclear conflict.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 5 2023 6:28 utc | 169

@dadooronron | Mar 4 2023 22:44 utc | 93

Mercouris speculates that if it is true that the AUK is blowing up bridges in Bakhmut, it may be to prevent soldiers from deserting. Thoughts?

I heard what Mercouris said, too. When you have embedded Nazis shooting regular Ukrainian soldiers trying to retreat or surrender, it is not a stretch to explain the blowing up bridges that way. In fact, I don’t see any credible alternatives to that explanation.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 5 2023 6:38 utc | 170

Karlof1 @85
I do agree that when assessing the RF slow-grind, attritional warfare strategy (and when / if it might end) commentators often fail to look beyond the borders of Ukraine and beyond the strictly military / logistical aspect.
Though some do note that RF is demilitarizing NATO–or letting it demilitarize itself more completely–fewer note that to *re*militarize NATO will have to be done in a de-industrialized Europe and ever more indebted West, where the energy & strategic resources for armament manufacture are not just more expensive (putting into question the entire business case for private-sector capacity expansion) but arguably *scarce*. Many of these strategic resources for defense-industrial power are sold in markets where Russia is a major player.
I suspect one of the contingency plans being looked at by RF strategic planners is to grind on through another winter, and then through the 2024 election season and into the autumn of 2024/spring 2025.
The West will be a very different place by then–demilitarized, deindustrialized, de-Nazified, de-Dollarized, and the world deWestified.
In the meantime, as the world de-dollarizes, it is just conceivable the RF begins to sell its resources primarily to friendly countries, and if to unfriendly countries at all, perhaps insisting on gold for payment. Pushing the debt/fiat pyramid a little deeper underwater…

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Mar 5 2023 6:42 utc | 171

@Zet | Mar 5 2023 0:04 utc | 109

Or as Sun Tzu put it: ‘A Leader leads by example, not by force’.

Sure, and the examples provided to the western world today leads us straight into Hell. And people are still buying it.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 5 2023 6:49 utc | 172

“A question for barflies: Does an able leader need to resort to the use of force or coercion to maintain its leadership? I know what my answer is but what do ya’ll say?
Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 4 2023 23:39 utc | 103”
Answ: Sometimes. Eg Marius, Sulla et numerous alii.

Posted by: Catilina | Mar 5 2023 6:57 utc | 173

Second, Burns wants Beijing to acknowledge Washington’s leadership in the region. [Asia, where the US of A have as much business showing up with their warships as China and Russia would have threatening Washington, Brussels und Berlin with aircraft carriers and nuclear-armed submarines]
Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 4 2023 23:33 utc | 101
Bend your your knee, Russia, China,swear allegiance and pay tributes or there will be war.
Scholz saw the light, he is now visiting the GREAT LEADERS in Washington to arrange payment of this year’s installment, after last year’s trip resulted in Germany taking up 100 billion in debt für the “purchase of US war planes”, and many billions more to purchase US liquefied gas at overinflated prices.
No wonder the US has smelled blood and wants the same from other countries.

Posted by: Marvin | Mar 5 2023 7:02 utc | 174

@karlof1 | Mar 4 2023 23:39 utc | 103

A question for barflies: Does an able leader need to resort to the use of force or coercion to maintain its leadership? I know what my answer is but what do ya’ll say?

An authoritarian in power uses force and coercion, because he does not trust the people and believes the people not to trust him (rightly so). He is not an ‘able leader’ though.
An able and principled leader believing in actual democratic principles (NOT in the perverted US definition of ‘democratic’) does not need to to ‘maintain leadership’ in any other way than via discussion and elections, so the question is moot.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 5 2023 7:05 utc | 175

@Patroklos | Mar 5 2023 2:00 utc | 126

On leadership and leading by example and consensus: Australian PM (1945-9), Ben Chifley. He was a railway worker who rose through the ALP to be PM after the war. He didn’t own a house, and refused to live in The Lodge (official residence of the PM in Canberra), but used it only for official receptions. He also refused a car service preferring to ride his bike from a rented hotel room to his offices every morning. He was a working man who ran Australia for working people.

When I was a kid, I sometimes observed from my home window then Norwegian PM Trygve Bratteli walking alone from his home to the government PM office.
During WWII, Bratteli was a ‘Nacht und Nebel’ prisoner and sent to the German Natzweiler concentration camp.
https://www.natzweiler.eu/europ%C3%A4ische-erinnerung/haeftlingsgeschichten/trygve-bratteli
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trygve_Bratteli

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 5 2023 7:17 utc | 176

Leaders who use brute force from their team tend to have the team perform minimally. Think of serfs or slaves who pretend to work.
Leaders who inspire tend to get maximal
Effort from their teams. Think of this movie scene from
a football game ‘Any given Sunday’
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f1yWSePMqsk

Posted by: Exile | Mar 5 2023 7:23 utc | 177

“Vikichka | Mar 4 2023 20:58 utc | 70
I was thinking, what if the Wagnerians took in some of the cannon fodder Ukrainian kids that Zelensky so cynically sent to Bakhmut to be human shields, and offered them contracts after some recuperation?
They might make effective fighters in a few years, especially if they wake up to the fact that they were used as meat shields by the coke head Z.
Posted by: Chris | Mar 5 2023 2:07 utc | 127”
Comment: I have been thinking that perhaps the Army’s animosity toward Wagner has been because of Wagner possibly siphoning into the not inconsiderable flow of volunteers. “You want to be an insignificant nameless grunt with minimal pay? Join the Orchestra instead! Музиканты которых знает весь мир!”

Posted by: Catilina | Mar 5 2023 7:26 utc | 178

@pretzelattack | Mar 5 2023 3:04 utc | 140

what does the “clotshot” have to do with the Ukraine war?

It is two sides of the same coin.
We now live in a society where doctors destroy health, governments destroy peace, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, the press destroys information, religion destroys morals, companies destroy pensions, and banks destroy the economy.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 5 2023 7:33 utc | 179

Interesting times.
Apprently according to DPR Military Intelligence. A lone former Polacki Germania bult Leopard 2. One of 14 sent to Country 404 by Polacki. Was spotted by a recon satellite and drone lurking in the wooded area of Chassiv Yar.
Turkiye’s army in action against the female Kurdish resistance army in Syria. Shows an unsupported Leopard 2. Is extremely vulnerable to all Soviet designed man portable AT weapons from the late 1950s. Since all tank side armor is much thinner than the frontal armor. The turret roof and engine cover armor is virtually paper thin.
Chassiv Yar, is a mere 10K due west of Bakhmut. Soon to be renamed ‘Artemovsk’ after liberation day. Since the last major supply road to city was cut several days ago. Which means no more red cross covered vehicle carrying ammunition and other urgently needed war toy supplies. Can now enter or leave safefely. The fall of the last bastion controlling all roads westward is not far away.
Is country 404 armed forces building a new final much weaker emergency thinner defense line at Chassiv Yar?

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Mar 5 2023 7:44 utc | 180

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 5 2023 7:33 utc | 181
can’t disagree with that. I agree also that the US government is the big problem, and unfortunately agree with Hack that the US is in for some very hard times, which some here unquestionably deserve.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 5 2023 7:47 utc | 181

natostan msm is working very hard to invert the news. Yesterday they said the Russians were running from Bakhmut, they have hundreds of thousands killed and the Ukr offensive is successful. Complete parallel world

Posted by: rk | Mar 5 2023 7:49 utc | 182

Fascism was never extinguished. After the Second World War, the torch was passed from the “loser” to the “winner”. How can the losers’s ideology prevail? By changing the name of the losing ideology. A kinder more subtle fascism. Not attained thru conquest of lands and peoples. But attained thru “money” subjugation and control thru financing.

Posted by: Dingo | Mar 5 2023 8:01 utc | 183

rk no. 184
strange. Yesterday i read the Russians had the place surrouded and there was fighting in the streets. Today it’s the opposite.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Mar 5 2023 8:03 utc | 184

Interesting useless information of open misinformation on a thread specifically set up to cover country 404. Also lurks in this thread.
I wonder why? Are there too many open cynics and users of “Ockham’s Razor” populating the open thread?
A lie on the internet travels at nearly the speed of light. The truth is lost in the nonsensical illogical noise.
Fun fact. Before modern medical science. In 1900, read “Our Little House on the Prairie”, for the harshness and fragility of human life. The median average life expectancy was 50 years. In 2000, only due to advances in modern medical science since 1945 grew to circa 78 years old.
As in the unfortunate fewer by the day remaining living peons of country 404. The daily lies they are being fed by DiKtator Little ‘z’ is killing thousands of country 404 peons per day. Creating the illusion of the loss of 200 mythical imaginary heroes on the Eastern Front. Literally preventing the fall of Country 404.
This specific thread has but one topic.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Mar 5 2023 8:29 utc | 185

A kinder more subtle fascism. Not attained thru conquest of lands and peoples. But attained thru “money” subjugation and control thru financing.
Posted by: Dingo | Mar 5 2023 8:01 utc | 185
Oh that tactic is just for allies, ask Vietnam, Korea Nth and South, Iraq, iran, libya, Syria, Afghanisthan, Serbia, all of South America etc how “kind” and “subtle” the yanks have been to them post WW2

Posted by: K | Mar 5 2023 8:37 utc | 186

Karlof1 @ 103:
Of course an able leader leads by example, this is the ideal. The exercise of power through force or coercion is always a last resort after all other legitimate options have been used and exhausted, in the process revealing what is ultimately at stake and the motivations of those who for some reason or other are subjected to force.
In reality, leaders probably need a touch of the Machiavellian model of leadership – pragmatism, powers of persuasion, being seen to be of the people in all things (not just a few) – as well as being role models.
Now you know that the comment @ 156 wasn’t mine.

Posted by: Jen | Mar 5 2023 8:44 utc | 187

@K | Mar 5 2023 8:37 utc | 188
The list is so long that it is easy to miss even the most bombed-out country in the world: Laos
It goes on and on, many still not mentioned.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 5 2023 8:45 utc | 188

Fascism was never extinguished. After the Second World War, the torch was passed from the “loser” to the “winner”. How can the losers’s ideology prevail? By changing the name of the losing ideology. A kinder more subtle fascism. Not attained thru conquest of lands and peoples. But attained thru “money” subjugation and control thru financing.
Posted by: Dingo | Mar 5 2023 8:01 utc | 185

That misses the point.
It is more important to realize that “liberalism” and “fascism” are the same thing, because overt fascism (with open repression and militaristic adventurism) inevitably evolves once superficially benign “liberalism” has been established.
Communist literature from the time before, during and immediately after WWII spends a lot of time on that issue, because those people watched the process in real time in the late 19th and the first half of the 20th century, and were painfully aware what happened. Naturally, this has all been forgotten and actively swept under the rug, for obvious reasons.
Also, when we speak of “fascism”, our perception is clouded by the personalities of the notable dictators from the 1930s. But you don’t need to have a Hitler or a Mussolini to be a fascist state. Numerous other smaller countries in Europe in the 1930s were fascist, some mad a notable dictator, others had none. And, of course, the elephant in the room — the US was a fully fascist state in the late 19th and early 20th century. Because what else do you call sending the police and private armies to massacre striking workers, complete subjugation of the government and the press to the interests of a handful of megacorporations (Mellon spent 11 years basically ruling the country on his own through three different presidents without anyone voting for him), extremely aggressive expansionist foreign policy (Cuba, Puerto Rico, Hawaii, Philippines, etc. were outright annexed or taken over as colonies, plus the usual long list of invasions in Latin America), savage racism internally, etc. etc.
But, of course, we don’t talk about that. Because then we might draw certain parallels with the current situation and the half a century that preceded it…

Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 5 2023 8:52 utc | 189

Is Bakhmut of strategic importance or not?
Is it a possibility that both statements could be true at the same time.
Could it be that Bakhmut is a strategic hub for activities going West to East, i.e. from Kiev towards the Donbas region, but not in the other direction.

Posted by: Orchard1 | Mar 5 2023 8:53 utc | 190

# 188
That’s true , bombing atrocities, to make it known who is who. That’s not so subtle. To exterminate people because you can is a tragic stupidity.

Posted by: Dingo | Mar 5 2023 8:54 utc | 191

Seems the comedian has done a runner out of Kyiv to Lviv. The first step.

Posted by: Hutch | Mar 5 2023 8:59 utc | 192

Is Bakhmut of strategic importance or not?
Is it a possibility that both statements could be true at the same time.
Could it be that Bakhmut is a strategic hub for activities going West to East, i.e. from Kiev towards the Donbas region, but not in the other direction.
Posted by: Orchard1 | Mar 5 2023 8:53 utc | 192

It is a strategic importance as it is the transport hub of Donbas.
But don’t expect that to be utilized to trigger a rapid advance westward.
Hard there been a more serious approach to the initial invasion (i.e. sending sufficient forces in and not playing silly humanitarian games), leading to Bakhmut being reached quickly, that would have happened.
But not now. UA has built fortifications behind it, set up artillery and is fed data non-stop by NATO ISR. Now RU will have to spend a long time setting supply lines and preparing for the next moves.
It will be like that everywhere until the AFU has collapsed due to lack of manpower and equipment, but there is a very long way to go until then, if it ever happens.
P.S. Many have argued, and it continues to be a valid observation, that is idiotic to do these frontal attacks against some of the most fortified places in the world, and that instead supply lines should have been cut and the whole area surrounded from behind. The moment to do the big pincer movement largely passed, but at least supply lines should be cut, and yet even that most basic action is not being taken…

Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 5 2023 9:06 utc | 193

And, of course, the elephant in the room — the US was a fully fascist state in the late 19th and early 20th century.
No it was not !!!!
It did not even begin to fuse State and Corporations because such Corporations and Trusts did not exist until later in 19th Century. US was a federation of partially sovereign states until Woodrow Wilson and FDR centralised power and authority.
USA is TODAY a Fascist State as is most of Western World in that Politics is subservient to Capital and Regulatory Agencies have been captured.
The real Fascist State emerged as a result of Reagan and Thatcher who – espousing Small Government built huge centralised power structures and overrode local power bases – Thatcher through Decree and Reagan through Deficits.
It was the ability to escape Budget Control by the Legislature and Taxing to Spend that created the Fascist State that was called Leviathan in 17th Century when people KNEW what it was instead of welcoming the Devil as a friend.
Keeping the Executive on a short leash was the essence of Liberty and why John Hampden and the rest voted against Ship Money.
Now Greenspan and Bernanke FREE the Executive from any control and the State spends to infinity desperately looking for new clients to buy

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 5 2023 9:08 utc | 194

The whole point of “free stuff” is that someone else is paying the bill. Ukraine won’t be paying the bill.
Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 4 2023 20:58 utc | 70
Don’t tell this guy what “there is nothing more expensive than something free” means.
https://www.jnpoc.ne.jp/en/insights/voices-from-jnpoc/there-is-nothing-more-expensive-than-something-free/

Posted by: Colin | Mar 5 2023 9:12 utc | 195

We now live in a society where doctors destroy health, governments destroy peace, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, the press destroys information, religion destroys morals, companies destroy pensions, and banks destroy the economy.
Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 5 2023 7:33 utc | 181

“Ours is a country of arrangements,” Prince Don Fabrizio Corbera of Salina tells his chaplain, Father Pirrone.
“For things to remain the same, everything must change”
Tancredi
Another translation for “arrangements” is “compromises.”

Posted by: La Bastille | Mar 5 2023 9:12 utc | 196

Comment from China on speech by Ambassador Burns on ‘American Leadership’ in East Asia –
“US continues to live in an alternative reality fuelled by hubris”
Global Times Opinion: Powerless and ridiculous for US to cry for its recognition as regional leader
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202303/1286529.shtml

Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 5 2023 9:13 utc | 197

strange. Yesterday i read the Russians had the place surrouded and there was fighting in the streets. Today it’s the opposite.
Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Mar 5 2023 8:03 utc | 186
It’s possible we see a mix of propaganda teams, working in shifts, too much diversity hire to read the news or the other writers’ lies from the day before. It’s clear they like to invert the facts but they’re too stupid to maintain continuity.

Posted by: rk | Mar 5 2023 9:15 utc | 198

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 5 2023 1:01 utc | 117
Sounds like the deep state here is almost equal to the bourgeoisie and its PMC agents
It is interesting that right-wing radicals tend to heavily appropriate Marxism, while the explicit pseudo-Marxists or all anarchists (Anarcho-Bidenist gang lmao) are crypto-liberals.

Posted by: Colin | Mar 5 2023 9:18 utc | 199

According to Avia Pro-; https://avia-pro.net/news/chvk-vagner-rezko-izmenili-taktiku-vedeniya-boyov-za-bahmut, (in English), Wagner has changed tactics. Moving from East to West on a large front and leaving an opening overland (more or less) for the evacuation of the city. They must leave all heavy weapons behind to be able to get out.
ie: Perhaps as Wagner are now mostly facing cannon foddder, 16yr olds and pensioners, and the “Select few” have been evacuated (Foreign Mercenaries and trained troops), it is worth letting the former go, rather than spend time and energy, lives and ammunition.
I would expect the Chechens to take a bigger part in the fighting, as experts in urban warfare, to reduce any sign of real resistance. There maybe about 10’000 Ukies left but there is no reliable figure.

Posted by: Stonebird | Mar 5 2023 9:27 utc | 200