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February 11, 2023
Airforce Spent Millions To Shot Down A Failed U.S. Weather Balloon – Biden Is Happy It Did So

Yesterday the U.S. airforce shot down another weather balloon:

The Pentagon said it shot down an unidentified object over frozen waters around Alaska on Friday at the order of President Biden, less than a week after a U.S. fighter jet brought down a Chinese spy balloon over the Atlantic in an episode that increased tensions between Washington and Beijing.

This 'unidentfied object' was much smaller than the previous balloon.

Three U.S. officials said that as of Friday evening, the government did not know who owned or sent the object seen above Alaska, which, like the Chinese balloon last week, was shot down by an F-22 fighter jet using a Sidewinder air-to-air missile.

Several officials said they believed the object shot down Friday was a balloon, but a Defense Department official said it broke into pieces when it hit the frozen sea, which added to the mystery of whether it was indeed a balloon, a drone or something else.

Mr. Kirby said that the object was “much, much smaller than the spy balloon that we took down last Saturday” and that “the way it was described to me was roughly the size of a small car, as opposed to the payload that was like two or three buses.”

The Chinese weather balloon taken down earlier had likely nothing to do with spying. The crazy disinformation and policitics around it are just propaganda. There were antennas on Chinese weather ballon but all weather balloons are carrying radiosondes to send down whatever they find.

After their measuring tasks are done weather balloons are supposed to fly higher until the pressure within the balloon is much higher than the thin air surrounding it. In consequence the balloon will rip open and its radiosonde and debris will come down on a small parachute. There is usually an address on these and a request to send them back for reuse. In case you find one please do so.

Sometimes the mechanism sending the balloon higher will fail. The balloon will then just follow the winds until something happens that brings it down.

That may well have happened to the Chinese weather balloon  as well as the the weather balloon sent up by the National Weather Service from its measuring stations in Kotzebue or Noma in northwest Alaska.

Dan Satterfield @wildweatherdan – 21:41 UTC · Feb 10, 2023

I back forecasted the latest "Balloon" shoot down in AK. Based on the location and time, it tracks back to near the Kotzebue NWS Rawinsonde site. Did we shoot down an NWS Weather balloon?? There is no data for the 12Z launch from that site and all the rest worked. #Chinaballoon

If not, then it goes back to the Bering Sea and then to NE Russia.

Also possible they did not launch a balloon at Kotzebue this morning at 12Z.


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A rawinsonde is by the way a combination of wind sensors and radiosonde:

rawinsonde – An upper-air sounding that includes determination of wind speeds and wind directions.

Historically, wind data were obtained by tracking a balloon-borne radiosonde with a radio direction finder. Contemporary methods include measuring position or radiosonde velocity from a global positioning system or Loran radio navigation signals.

Another weather station is in Nome, Alaska, which is in the same area as Kotzebue.

Dan Satterfield @wildweatherdan – 21:54 UTC · 10 Feb 2023

Nome sounding stopped at 100 mb today. It could be the NOME rawinsonde balloon had issues.

If the measuring stopped at 100 millibar air pressure the balloon failed to rise further up into thinner air.

More:

Dan Satterfield @wildweatherdan 22:14 UTC · 10 Feb 2023

Could be the NOME Balloon if it failed and data stops at 100 mb at NOME on the 12z launch. It could have not gone up and burst as it should.

That isn't the only account that came up with such findings:

altNOAA @altNOAA – 3:15 UTC · Feb 11, 2023

I could still be wrong, but it looks like balloon was launched at approx 2:00 am (Alaska Standard Time) from the National Weather Service WSO in Kotzebue, AK. It was intended for the 12z data (balloons launched twice per day approx 1 hr before 00/12 Zulu time). 6am eastern.

And to whoever flew this one… I hope your buddies are not too hard on ya. And thank you for your service!

This page should be populated with a SKEW-T diagram showing the 12z data from Kotzebue. The sounding diagram doesn't exist because the data doesn't exist because the balloon that was to send that data no longer exists.
(Pic of failed page search)

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altNOAA @altNOAA – 8:04 UTC · Feb 11, 2023

The USAF either shot down the 12Z weather balloon from Kotzebue or (bear with me here), they shot down a little tiny spaceship from the Planet Smallrocksia. I'm seriously leaning towards our weather balloon. And it's pretty well supported with the balloon optimization Hysplit.


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I will admit that I'm not 100% on either possibility yet (99.998% positive it wasn't a little tiny spaceship tho). I'm not even 100% sure if a 12z balloon was released at Kotzebue. But, I'm going to find out.

So it looks like the airforce sent up an AWACS surveillance plane, a tanker and an F-22, the most expensive fighter plane ever, to  fire a $400,000 Sidewinder missile to take down a failed weather balloon.

Had the balloon continued to fly it would have turned towards the north pole. So a few millions were spent to shot down a U.S. launched failed weather ballon on the tiny, tiny chance that some passenger plane would have crossed its path at its unusual 40,000 feet flight level.

I think that was a waste of money.

But it brought Biden some better press than the Chinese weather balloon disaster did. So there is the real reason for doing it.

 

Comments

@ Norwegian | Feb 12 2023 10:08 utc | 99

These unidentified objects are clearly manifestations of Sy Hersh’s reporting.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 12 2023 10:21 utc | 101

Did you know there is a place in Tejas where a lot of helium resides?
That is something I looked up a long time ago….I mean helium is pretty rare on planet earth.
Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 11 2023 19:18 utc

1010 Colorado St or 1100 Congress Ave?

Posted by: William Haught | Feb 12 2023 10:30 utc | 102

I also found this site which operates aerostats and tethered balloons. The data is from 2016-17 but even indicates one ‘escaped’.
If it did it then, no reason one couldn’t have been lost lately.
https://www.osti.gov/servlets/purl/1367283

Posted by: V | Feb 12 2023 10:35 utc | 103

“But near the Canadian border near Havre, Montana, the FAA closed a huge air space for an indeterminate time Saturday, February 11, 2023, because of yet another ‘object’ that the DoD will supposedly attempt to “ground” in the morning local time, according to Matt Rosendale, a Montana Republican.”
So nobody at DoD works the night shift? They all need to be home in time for dinner?
That’s reassuring.

Posted by: Michigan Dude | Feb 12 2023 10:57 utc | 104

I don’t what it was. But this is surreal. High how does a state’s airspace even extend?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 12 2023 11:36 utc | 105

an old song about dangers of balloons, with lyrics subtitls translated to English. Thanks Nena!
https://youtu.be/Fpu5a0Bl8eY

Posted by: GT23 | Feb 12 2023 11:45 utc | 106

These damn dirty balloons have crossed US red lines one time too many. It’s time to use the nuclear option to get the message across.

Posted by: Skiffer | Feb 12 2023 12:00 utc | 107

GT23 | Feb 12 2023 11:45 utc | 106
“Thanks Nena!
https://youtu.be/Fpu5a0Bl8eY
That propaganda song proves NATO always was the balloon aggressor.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 12 2023 12:07 utc | 108

I suspect that the threat is not so much China as it is China/Japan/S.Korea/Phillipines/etc.
So US must do in Pacific Rim what is has done in Balkans and in Middle East.
It is not so much the US as the owners cannot risk a strong sovereign which is not controlled.
Idealy these contries would attempt to counter the effort to disrupt by developing relations that would promote common interest and mutual respect. Perhaps that is not possible in context of meddling.

Posted by: jared | Feb 12 2023 12:27 utc | 109

So what is the heat signature of a weather balloon that it can be shot down by a sidewinder IR seeker? Just askin’ for a friend who used to be in the missile business….

Posted by: Sailor1031 | Feb 12 2023 12:47 utc | 110

Light Sleeper @90: “It may turn out not to be weather balloons after all, mes amis, but what’s more likely is that it’s something about which we’ll never know.”
Back when I was a kid my sister had a dog. I swear that was the dumbest dog ever. It would get spooked by a falling leaf and bark at that leaf like it was a bear or something. I’d laugh my ass off at that dog. I guess it must have been embarrassed or something because it would then double down on the barking, as if to imply that I was the fool for not taking the idiot beast seriously.
There is no threat to America (or Canada… really, who cares about Canada?). What we are witnessing is HYSTERIA. Ignorant, mindless, cowardly hysteria, nothing more. You can pretend the boogeyman is really there if, as with my sister’s stupid dog, it makes you feel better about freaking out like a little girl over nothing except your own unhinged imagination, but those of us not in a hyperventilating panic are laughing our asses off at you. The more you bark at the leaf the more we will laugh.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 12 2023 12:53 utc | 111

Light Sleeper @90: “It may turn out not to be weather balloons after all, mes amis, but what’s more likely is that it’s something about which we’ll never know.”
Back when I was a kid my sister had a dog. I swear that was the dumbest dog ever. It would get spooked by a falling leaf and bark at that leaf like it was a bear or something. I’d laugh my ass off at that dog. I guess it must have been embarrassed or something because it would then double down on the barking, as if to imply that I was the fool for not taking the idiot beast seriously.
There is no threat to America (or Canada… really, who cares about Canada?). What we are witnessing is HYSTERIA. Ignorant, mindless, cowardly hysteria, nothing more. You can pretend the boogeyman is really there if, as with my sister’s stupid dog, it makes you feel better about freaking out like a little girl over nothing except your own unhinged imagination, but those of us not in a hyperventilating panic are laughing our asses off at you. The more you bark at the leaf the more we will laugh.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 12 2023 13:03 utc | 112

@William Gruff | Feb 12 2023 13:03 utc | 111

What we are witnessing is HYSTERIA. Ignorant, mindless, cowardly hysteria, nothing more.

As “the medical issue” is fading, you need something else to keep the hysteria going. Because otherwise people might begin to ask rational questions.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 12 2023 13:10 utc | 113

Norwegian @112
I keep thinking the hysteria must eventually burn itself out, but it goes on and on. The American people should be exhausted by now, but apparently Americans have marathon-like endurance to maintain hysteria indefinitely.
With all of the other failures lately I guess that is something for Americans to be proud of.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 12 2023 13:23 utc | 114

Feb 12 2023 12:47 utc | 110
new aim 9x on f-22 has a radar guidance mode (use amraam ‘guidance link’). they now have a short range amraam!
came out just in time to shoot down weather balloons. the challenge is the relatively small amount of metal to reflect the radar…..
it works better than the usual. although aim 9x has been a thing for decades….
what probability of kill for a weather balloon did the dod require???

Posted by: paddy | Feb 12 2023 13:25 utc | 115

@William Gruff | Feb 12 2023 13:23 utc | 113
I remember discussing the hysteria with the incoming banning of incandescent light bulbs and more almost 20 years ago (my stock is running out now). I thought it was crazy, my idea was to wait it out until rational thought returned, but here we are 20 years later and it is just getting infinitely worse as time goes on. Now we had “the medical issue” + they are literally bombing gas pipelines and shooting down balloons with fighter jets. There is absolutely no limit to the amount of hysteria and how long it can last. By now I think only a big disaster will educate people, but the big disaster in Ukraine has done little to educate people so far…

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 12 2023 13:34 utc | 116

I know a bush pilot that lived in Kotzebue in the 90s and in Alaska 50+ years. His comment:
“I watched them launch in Kotz. Weather balloons are only about 2m in diameter and the radiosonde package it carries is only the size of a cereal box.”
I asked for clarification about recent practices, but have not heard back.
Posted by: upstater | Feb 11 2023 20:18 utc | 51

2 meters is about the length of a small car, so this fits.
As for the rest of the story, it seems obvious to me:
1) Public freaks out about Chinese balloon
2) NORAD sees an anomaly over Alaska
3) Military and White House (plus Turdeau, et al) freak out and send in the fighters and AWACS et al and shoot it down
4) Gov’t is too stupid to figure out it’s a weather balloon, initially
5) A few intrepid bloggers and Twitter folks figure it out (was an American weather balloon)
6) Alternative media figures it out
7) Retarded media and WH et al cover it up or brush it under the rug but then later half admit it’s true but everyone’s moved onto the next stupid thing so it’s forgotten
8) Indy people wearily pat themselves on the back for being right yet again

Posted by: Sam | Feb 12 2023 13:35 utc | 117

looking on the bright side, at least they haven’t nuked a weather balloon yet.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 12 2023 13:40 utc | 118

i wonder if they still fly the Goodyear Blimp over the Superbowl. this could end in tragedy.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 12 2023 13:46 utc | 119

They keep shooting down these balloons and every time they say: See, antennas, what did I tell you?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Feb 12 2023 13:49 utc | 120

With all of the other failures lately I guess that is something for Americans to be proud of.
Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 12 2023 13:23 utc | 113
More cowbell. When hysteria is all you have left, hysteria it is.

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 12 2023 13:57 utc | 122

For those mentioning Santa Clause would be a target: that’s just wrong. Santa flies faster than any missile in any inventory today. He has to visit over a billion around the globe, in just one day — 86400 seconds. You do the math.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Feb 12 2023 14:11 utc | 123

Looks like Nena had this sussed and covered way back in the early 19080’s…….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiwgOWo7mDc

Posted by: Dave Hansell | Feb 12 2023 14:43 utc | 124

So we are up to three now, I believe. Spy balloons is the new Cuban crickets.

Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 12 2023 14:59 utc | 125

Rudolph, Dancer and Blitzen gone to the happy hunting ground in good Anglo-Saxon tradition.

Posted by: Vikichka | Feb 12 2023 15:15 utc | 126

Wouldn’t it be just awful for someone to drop into a birthday store in Hawaii, pick up a hundred fifty inflated balloons, and then release them. That would be a balloon each for the F-22 Raptor fleet.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 12 2023 15:16 utc | 127

Posted by: Henry Jones Jr. | Feb 11 2023 18:21 utc | 23
Awwwww. That’s cute. 🤭

Posted by: Arganthonios | Feb 12 2023 15:33 utc | 128

@Dave Hansell | Feb 12 2023 14:43 utc | 123
This song was in the US/UK Chats in the mystical year 1984.

Posted by: Guru Mediation | Feb 12 2023 15:39 utc | 129

Serious:
Weather balloons expand with altitude, it’s how they work. The gas inside the balloon is at the same pressure as the atmosphere but is a lighter gas like H or He. As a brief simplified example hydrogen is (by memory) roughly seven or eight times lighter than the atmosphere at sea level, the total difference isn’t much when looked at as weight/mass and is the limit on payload capacity. 2 meter wide at sea level becomes much larger at high altitude but still can’t lift any more. The payloads for these things is therefore always relatively limited and the description of 2 or 3 buses large had to be of the balloon itself rather than the payload.
If for whatever reason the balloon doesn’t rise all that high up then of course it will be correspondingly smaller ie. size of a car or small bus. A small leak or tiny tear could be the explanation.
They usually also have radar retroreflectors on them to be detectable on radar. Same kind of devices that most ships have (or at least used to have). They can be made from thin metal (or metal foil on cardboard) and aren’t all that heavy.
Don Bacon:
Put some extremely lightweight retroreflectors on it and it could have worked except the (often metal foil) material those party balloons are made of can’t expand much and then they rip and drop as litter (supposedly an issue, I’m not entirely sure if it is a real one).
Less serious:

“… they shot down a little tiny spaceship from the Planet Smallrocksia.”

So racist! 😉
Anyway not a chance, those things are the best piloting slugs in all of Twinkle and only here to look out for dimension-hopping star frogs attracted to the powerful human reality distortion field. They’ve already caught two froggies this year.
Waiting for the official US denial unless Biden will reveal all this summer.
(Sarcasm tag for deniability) 😛
Meanwhile the US War on Balloons will carry on.
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“Sphere of influence” indeed, yeah I saw that, and all the other funnies. So many good ones 😀
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Wiry:
One Capitol building decal for each balloon 🙂
Alternatively one Ignatz Mouse decal for each.
Prickypaw:
No way, chief clown Biden in a clown suit is worse than Pennywise the clown or Ronald McDonalds. No party and the cake is a lie.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 12 2023 15:54 utc | 130

news
After first issuing a highly rare expression of regret over the incident, China has toughened its rhetoric, calling the U.S. move an overreaction and a violation of international norms. China’s defense minister refused to take a phone call from U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin to discuss the matter.
The United States has since blacklisted six Chinese entities it said were linked to Beijing’s aerospace programs as part of its response to the incident. The House of Representatives also voted unanimously to condemn China for a “brazen violation” of U.S. sovereignty and efforts to “deceive the international community through false claims about its intelligence collection campaigns.”.
The balloon was part of a large surveillance program that China has been conducting for several years, the Pentagon said. The U.S. says Chinese balloons have flown over dozens of countries across five continents in recent years, and it learned more about the balloon program after closely monitoring the one shot down near South Carolina. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 12 2023 15:58 utc | 131

from Sunday talk show. . .
McCaul: Suspected Chinese spy balloon ‘did a lot of damage’

Rep. Michael McCaul (R-Texas) said the suspected Chinese spy balloon that was shot down off the coast of South Carolina earlier this month “did a lot of damage” after flying over a number of highly sensitive U.S. intelligence and military sites.
McCaul, the chair of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, split with defense and intelligence officials who have said the U.S. mitigated the amount of information that could have been picked up by the Chinese balloon. McCaul said the flight path of the balloon, which flew over nuclear sites and military infrastructure, made clear the type of information that China was trying to acquire.
“It did a lot of damage,” McCaul said on CBS’s “Face the Nation” on Sunday. “They say they’ve mitigated it. Going over those sites, in my judgment, would cause great damage.” . . .A balloon can see a lot more on the ground than a satellite.”. . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 12 2023 16:31 utc | 132

SCMP
China spots mystery object over waters near northern port city
Authorities say they will prepare to be able to shoot down the unidentified vessel
Fishing boats told to be on alert and ‘avoid risks’, report says . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 12 2023 16:52 utc | 133

it’s “balloon man”
https://parade.com/news/sam-smith-brit-awards-red-carpet-indescribable-leather-jumpsuit-photos-2023

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Feb 12 2023 17:06 utc | 134

Posted by: Makk | Feb 12 2023 9:53 utc | 99

Thus data for the flight should be available till it got out of range.

In a 2017 speech at Westminster Institute David (Spengler) Goldman said:

“China now has R&D at 2% of GDP. What does that go into? Well, they have got the fastest supercomputers in the world. They have a functioning quantum satellite. In other words, a quantum link between satellite and earth means that if there is any attempt to interfere with a signal, for example, to eavesdrop on it, it immediately destroys the signal. It self-liquidates.https://westminster-institute.org/events/david-goldman/

China has the technology to eat US lunch and make the ziplock baggies disappear.

Posted by: ChasMark | Feb 12 2023 19:58 utc | 135

Par4@19. Star for the balloon movie should be neither Tom, Cruise or Hanks. It should be Tommie Chong.

Posted by: mjh | Feb 13 2023 4:38 utc | 136

Have we reached the height of balloonacy yet?
Below is the latest related posting title from ZH which makes the balloonacy count now 4
‘Octagonal’ Object Shot Down Over Lake Huron

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 13 2023 6:04 utc | 137

Octagonal? Can we trust them to count that high?
Especially if the sides go in a circle.
What’s up with China reportedly also talking about shooting stuff down, are they trolling?

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 13 2023 7:47 utc | 138

What’s up with China reportedly also talking about shooting stuff down, are they trolling?
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 13 2023 7:47 utc | 139

More likely they were being trolled, by a tethered aerostat patrolling off their Jianggezhuang Naval Base.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tethered_Aerostat_Radar_System

Posted by: too scents | Feb 13 2023 8:02 utc | 139

Breaking video footage of the balloon/object that the American military shot down in Alaska!
https://t.me/TruthExtra/2759
Given this footage, it’s very evident why America had to shoot down this threat to US National Security.

Posted by: ak74 | Feb 13 2023 8:55 utc | 140

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 13 2023 6:04 utc | 138
I’m losing count, I thought it was at 3. i would ask what they think they’re doing, but they don’t, they’re just panicking.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 13 2023 9:06 utc | 141

Adding to the balloon ballyhoo, Bloomberg reports on China Foreign Ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin’s Monday breifing.

US balloons illegally flew over China more than 10 times since the beginning of 2022, according to Foreign Ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin.
“It is nothing rare for US balloons to illegally enter other country’s airspace,” Wang told reporters at a regular briefing in Beijing on Monday.
“The US needs to reflect upon itself and change its wrong practice,” he added. “We reserve the right to take necessary means to deal with relevant incidents.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-13/china-says-us-balloons-trespassed-over-10-times-since-early-2022

Posted by: too scents | Feb 13 2023 9:08 utc | 142

Thanks for this! I had just written a humorous article on the whole military farce. Then, I found you article which makes the whole thing even crazier. The US has become a circus (as I write) and its government a clownshow. Of course, the US is just trying to distract from its failed war in the Ukraine and the whole Nordstream debacle. I credit MoA in my article, of course.
https://julianmacfarlane.substack.com/p/the-war-on-balloons

Posted by: julianmacfarlane | Feb 13 2023 9:33 utc | 143

Julian no. 144
LOL chinese balloons spying on children.
Now the UK is getting in on the act:
“Rishi Sunak says UK ‘in touch with allies’ after minister claims China may have sent spy balloons over airspace”
(Sly news)
Some good cartoons here from “first dog on the moon”:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/feb/13/mystery-balloons-what-are-they-aliens-probing-our-atmosphere-or-a-race-of-ancient-skywhales

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Feb 13 2023 14:01 utc | 144

With apologies to Roger Waters:

The balloonatic is on the grass.
The balloonatic is on the grass.
Remembering games and daisy chains and laughs.
Got to keep the ballloonies on the path.
The balloonatic is in the hall.
The balloonatics are in my hall.
The paper holds their folded faces to the floor
And every day the paper boy brings more.
And if the dam breaks open many years too soon
And if there is no room upon the hill
And if your head explodes with dark forebodings too
I’ll see you on the dark side of the balloon.
The balloonatic is in my head.
The balloonatic is in my head
You raise the blade, you make the change
You re-arrange me ’til I’m sane.
You lock the door
And throw away the key
There’s someone in my head but it’s not me.
And if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear
You shout and no one seems to hear.
And if the band you’re in starts playing different tunes
I’ll see you on the dark side of the balloon.
“I can’t think of anything to say except…
I think it’s marvelous! HaHaHa!”

Posted by: West of England Andy | Feb 13 2023 17:07 utc | 145

I wonder if Trucastro put on his military general costume before “ordering” the U.S. to shoot down a weather balloon! Was it his birthday?

Posted by: Avalanche | Feb 18 2023 15:01 utc | 146