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February 14, 2023
Ukraine War – The Upcoming Duel Of Speeches

Next week will see a speech duel between President Putin and President Biden.

On February 21 the president of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin will hold his State of the Nation Address in the Federal Assembly:

The president delivered his previous address to the country’s parliament in April 2021. Putin explained that there had been no State of the Nation Address in 2022 because the situation was unfolding very quickly and it was difficult "to fix the results at a specific point, as well as specific plans for the near future." However, crucial messages were included in other presidential speeches.

Before the speech Putin will have a talk with leaders of the opposition parties. Another meeting with the president of Belarus, Lukashenko, is also planned. Russian analysts expect that some serious announcements will be made.

The speech will come exactly one year after the speech that announced the recognition of the Luhansk and Donetsk republics as independent states.

While Putin will be speaking U.S. president Joe Biden will be in Poland where he will also hold a major speech:

President Joe Biden will visit Poland this month to mark the one-year anniversary of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, returning to the region as the war enters a volatile new phase without a clear path to peace.

The president is planning to visit Poland from February 20-22. The White House said he would meet Polish President Andrzej Duda and other leaders from the region. He’ll deliver remarks ahead of the official anniversary on February 24.

“He wants to talk about the importance of the international community’s resolve and unity in supporting Ukraine for now going on a year,” said John Kirby, the strategic communications coordinator at the National Security Council.

Biden’s aides have been planning for several weeks how they will mark the anniversary of the invasion, including potentially a major address. They hope to emphasize the resilience of the Ukrainian people while stressing the importance of unity in the uncertain months ahead.

There are concerns that Poland might want to intervene in the war in Ukraine by, for example, occupying its western oblast. Will Biden give his okay for that? A significant number of former Polish soldiers are already fighting in Ukraine as 'mercenaries'. At the end of last year Poland announced that would recall up to 200,000 reservists for training:

The draft regulation presented by the Ministry of Defense states that the proposed figures are a maximum limit that cannot be exceeded, and do not guarantee that the proposed plans will be carried out.

The Biden visit comes at a time when there is serious concern about the length of the war and the sustainment of 'western' support:

Despite promises to back Ukraine “as long as it takes,” Biden officials say recent aid packages from Congress and America’s allies represent Kyiv’s best chance to decisively change the course of the war. Many conservatives in the Republican-led House have vowed to pull back support, and Europe’s long-term appetite for funding the war effort remains unclear.

Underlining the importance of the moment for the administration, Vice President Harris, Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas are heading to a major security summit in Germany this week and President Biden is traveling to Poland next week for a speech and meetings on the first anniversary.

The critical nature of the next few months has already been conveyed to Kyiv in blunt terms by top Biden officials — including deputy national security adviser Jon Finer, deputy secretary of state Wendy Sherman and undersecretary of defense Colin Kahl, all of whom visited Ukraine last month.

CIA Director William J. Burns traveled to the country one week ahead of those officials, where he briefed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on his expectations for what Russia is planning militarily in the coming months and emphasized the urgency of the moment.

At the same time, Biden and his aides are eager to avoid any sign of defection or weakening resolve by Western allies ahead of the Feb. 24 anniversary, hoping to signal to Russian President Vladimir Putin that support for Ukraine is not waning.

NATO is running of out ammunition and will not be able to support the war much longer:

NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said Monday that Ukrainian forces are using significantly more ammunition than the alliance’s members can produce, putting a strain on Western stockpiles.

“The war in Ukraine is consuming an enormous amount of munitions, and depleting allied stockpiles,” Stoltenberg told reporters ahead of a NATO defense ministers meeting in Brussels.

“The current rate of Ukraine’s ammunition expenditure is many times higher than our current rate of production, and this puts our defense industries under strain,” he added.

This of course to Russia's advantage. It can delay the end of the war as long as it wants. At some point the 'West' will run out of ammunition and money for the war and will have to sue for peace.

Comments

Opport Knocks @ 95

I am sticking to the position that the US acted alone until there is real evidence otherwise. It would be too risky to involve other national militaries and they would have been more afraid of potential blowback.

In the end the USA is acting totally alone. Recall the final scene of the Godfather. Michael all alone, no friends, no family, no counselors, in a big, dark empty mansion.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 14 2023 21:12 utc | 101

@ Comandante | Feb 14 2023 21:03 utc | 97

Yeah. Milley’s speech was pure American cringe.
That said, and bearing in mind Putin saying “Russia hasn’t started yet”, I think we are soon going to see a wider campaign of much more brutal warfare.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 14 2023 21:13 utc | 102

@Comandante | Feb 14 2023 21:03 utc | 97

Maybe that Norwegian PM Party cokehead Chick.

You got the country wrong. Perhaps you mean Finland.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 14 2023 21:17 utc | 103

Western governments might be redistributing spending, both discretionary and ring-fenced, but it does not address the central problem of the lack of industrial capacity needed to sustain the tempo of modern warfare, a point highlighted by the Rusi group. NATO have been on life-support, since their principle opponent vanished, and have been whoring themselves to politicians and the defence contractors ever-since. Russia’s command style economy, whilst ponderous and inefficient in peacetime, is now in it’s element, able to draw upon stockpiled munitions and able to rapidly meet the demands from the front. The clever-clever NATO planners thought they could square the circle by using Ukraine as a proxy, but now have to meet the battlefield demands themselves, an unsustainable proposition.

Posted by: Milites | Feb 14 2023 21:19 utc | 104

@mo3 | Feb 14 2023 21:06 utc | 99

Honor your opinion…
But you don’t know how your mind thinks either, only what they tell you!

It is not an opinion, it is a fact.
And you are telling me I don’t even know my own mind? Go away, please.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 14 2023 21:20 utc | 105

@Cocochanel, #65:
You do seem confused. In NATO countries, they do have opposition parties on matters such as who gets which pieces of cookies on domestic matters, but when come to obeying the dictates of the power that be, Norwegian is right, any opposition babbling is just theaters. And the theaters are usually played prominently on MSM, solely for the purpose of confusing the audiences.
I don’t know enough of the Russian political scenery to come to the same conclusion.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 14 2023 21:20 utc | 106

@Forte Shades
“He should record these in German. I believe he speaks it. And explain simple concepts like the war began with the Maidan coup and The Americans blew up the pipeline. The goal would be to break the Germans away from the Americans.”
You’re right, Putin speaks German fluently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0_0WqUuh9E
And I often wonder why Scholz doesn’t just give a live prime-time speech on television in which he reveals that he actually doesn’t want a war with Russia, but is being forced into it by the Americans.

Posted by: Apollyon | Feb 14 2023 21:20 utc | 107

So the Turkey/Syria earth quake was an act of terrorism.
Russia has its entire navy at sea
Thanks for that info….
Jigalt @ 8 and
Fleurs-du-mal @ 40
Not a single comment in response.
The elephants in the MOA bar.
What kind of psychological denial is that.
……
I predict England is obout to tast first hand what war is like, from the sharp end.
But don’t worry we’l get 72 hours notice.
Karma ! I can smell it in the air right now.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 14 2023 21:22 utc | 108

@ Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 14 2023 21:17 utc | 104
A lot of unjustified slagging of Norway lately. What is the MoA equivalent of Article 5?

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 14 2023 21:23 utc | 109

too scents @ 103

That said, and bearing in mind Putin saying “Russia hasn’t started yet”, I think we are soon going to see a wider campaign of much more brutal warfare.

To exhaust Russia the USA will push this right up to the nuclear edge, right up to all the red lights flashing and sirens blaring, the Hegemon’s prerogative. At that point it will step back and decide on some accord, the benevolent Emperor’s great sacrifice against Rusian evil and his blessing on all humanity.
Between where we are now and the nuclear edge will indeed be a whole ton of brutal warfare. Hope Russia has it figured out, sometimes I wonder.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 14 2023 21:23 utc | 110

So the Turkey/Syria earth quake was an act of terrorism.

Not a single comment in response.
The elephants in the MOA bar.
What kind of psychological denial is that.
Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 14 2023 21:22 utc | 109

Speaking for myself only, I was waiting for something resembling real evidence. Oh, and I’m not fat.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 14 2023 21:26 utc | 111

If you read carefully that post by RSH (thanks RSH) you will know why Hersh wavers sometimes.
He clearly implied that at some time in the past his CHILDREN had been threatened. yep that is the weakness of all of us, even the most courageous. Threaten my kids and I will do as I am told.
The USA/CIA is no better than a medieval prince taking children as hostages.

Posted by: watcher | Feb 14 2023 21:29 utc | 112

There was a report that US is sending the uranium compressed ammunition to Ukraine. That means in addition to cities and structures being destroyed, the land will become radioactively polluted. I can’t see this occurring without something similar occurrig in US owned land (besides the Ohio mini-Chernobyl).

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 14 2023 21:30 utc | 113

@Opport Knocks | Feb 14 2023 21:23 utc | 110

A lot of unjustified slagging of Norway lately. What is the MoA equivalent of Article 5?

Here is a thought. We all now the purpose of NATO: Keep the Russians out, the US in and Germany down.
Now that the Empire is going down, they desperately want to enforce this doctrine so at least Europe is their “playground”. From the point of view of psychos such as Nuland et al, what is better than playing the European countries out on each other? Let the proxies (as they see us) fight each other, create chaos so the Empire can rule. Create toxic stories that Norway hate Russians, we bombed the energy supply of Germany (I don’t know the truth here) and at the same time attacked Russia. A little bit too perfect. There is also more. And every thread on MOA is suddenly about Norway?
So we have a propaganda effort against my country, that is for sure. Some based on lies, and some based on who knows? But it is getting a bit much thank you.
Yes, I would not mind a MOA equivalent of Article 5 for a few minutes 🙂

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 14 2023 21:36 utc | 114

Don’t forget that Russia’s MoD said that Norwegians are helping the Kiev regime with a false flag operation concerning nuclear pollution:
“Experts from the Norwegian Radiation and Nuclear Safety Authority have been involved in preparing the ‘documentary basis’ and the so-called ‘independent opinion’ on the alleged ‘impact of radiation on the population of the north and north-west of the Kiev region’.”
https://t.me/mod_russia_en/6141

Posted by: Zebra | Feb 14 2023 21:46 utc | 115

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 14 2023 21:36 utc | 115
since steam doesnt know what smoke is and vice versa well
dont misinterpret the russians 😀 maybe its different than you might think

Posted by: Macpott | Feb 14 2023 21:48 utc | 116

@Forte Shades, #80:

I always wonder why putin does not record 3 minute videos explaining his position. Instead of making long speeches that are ignored.

Putin speaks for the record. He states the formal Russian position on issues for future historian to ponder. Not that he ignores today’s audiences, but winning their heart is only icing on the cake, not the main purpose of baking that cake. This is dichotomically the opposite in the west, whose politicians speaks solely to please and/or to confuse an audience to achieve their immediate objectives-hell with what history would say.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 14 2023 21:51 utc | 117

@Macpott | Feb 14 2023 21:48 utc | 117
What is that supposed to mean? Are you also reading my mind?

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 14 2023 21:52 utc | 118

“…when come to obeying the dictates of the power that be, Norwegian is right, any opposition babbling is just theater….” Oriental Voice@107
You are largely correct-what you say is certainly true of, for example the Helmer Labour Party in the UK, it is so true of the French Socialist Party, the Democrats in Italy and the SPD that it is often forgotten that both once sported socialist principles, drew support from a working class socialist base and constituted great prizes for the imperialists when their capture was completed.
But do not fall into the error of believing that organised political opposition contesting parliamentary elections are doomed to failure. That is not the case and both the Corbyn phenomenon, now defunct, and the Melenchon efforts in France are examples of how radical socialist ideas can be put back on the political agenda so that, when conditions are ripe, they can become real challenges to the ruling class.
Those who argue that the oligarchy with its control of education, the media and the employment on which everyone depends for livelihoods, cannot be beaten are wrong. And the ruling class knows it: they understand how insecure their grip on power is. They understand that in a world divided between them and the 99%, they are living on borrowed time.
Look at the weaknesses of the ruling class: their empire is crumbling and their control over its politics is so unstable that the mere entry of Sanders into the Democratic primaries prompted them to torpedo the system (one of the few aspects of ‘democracy’ that gave it credibility) and install Biden, incompetent, irrational and terminally corrupt as their figurehead.
The ‘wheel is still in spin’ and the odds are that when it stops it will point to one of the numbers of the many not the few.

Posted by: bevin | Feb 14 2023 21:52 utc | 119

Posted by: watcher | Feb 14 2023 21:29 utc | 113
I personally think he was threatened during the 2016 Russiagate hoax. He involved himself in the Seth Rich murder, then he backed of from it and denied he ever suggested it was a murder, then devoted his time to his biographical book and hasn’t mentioned Russiagate since AFAIK.
The Seth Rich murder implicated the FBI (assuming the allegations of a cover-up investigation were true – which I can’t prove.) But it could have brought the FBI down completely. You don’t threaten the FBI and walk away. The only person who did that AFAIK was Sibel Edmonds – and she was the most gagged person in US history (which didn’t stop her from talking a lot anyway.)
So I think he was told to shut up about and stay away from the Seth Rich murder which implicated the DNC, which means the Clintons, and the FBI in a coverup. And at some point no matter how much you want to, as he said in the interview, “tell the truth”, you have to back off if you want to live – unless you have the skills to give as good as you get, which Hersh doesn’t.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 14 2023 21:53 utc | 120

“Polish history is filled with Russia hate.
But mostly from its own stupidity.
Even Catherine the Great managed Poland by fucking (literally) the Polish Prime Minister. Of course it was love on his part and business for her.
This time Poland will not be as lucky. Of course Russia will fuck Poland but bot gently, that I know for sure.
Posted by: Cocochanel | Feb 14 2023 19:37 utc | 67”
Your European history understanding is poor. Poland was a kingdom then and had no prime minister. In the 18th century Russia took control of most of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth territory with her army not with her souvereign’s ass.

Posted by: Chris | Feb 14 2023 21:57 utc | 121

Opport Knocks @ 112

Speaking for myself only, I was waiting for something resembling real evidence.

Speaking for myself only, I’m waiting for a half assed to half decent to an even totally farfetched methodological explanation. But, I will note that George Galloway on his last MOATS implied as much. I like George, I like Dmitry Orlov too.
Btwn Israel orchestrating the Fukushima tsunami with a nuke and the USA creating the Syria/Turkiye earthquake I don’t know why we plebs are even offering resistance, it’s over folks these are indeed Super Duper Supermen, in control of untold powers, Cosmic Overlords. Surrender, Dorothy!

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 14 2023 21:57 utc | 122

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 14 2023 21:53 utc | 121
Yes pretty much true. But add that each of us will be courageous if possible and even risk our lives, but very few of us would risk those of our children.

Posted by: watcher | Feb 14 2023 21:58 utc | 123

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 14 2023 21:52 utc | 119
sure 37d chess u know haha
naaa its gettin crazy and since every one know the meme “whats the dog doin?”
everyone now thinks to the usa like “what the us doin?” 🙂

Posted by: Macpott | Feb 14 2023 22:01 utc | 124

“…I can’t see this occurring without something similar occurring in US owned land (besides the Ohio mini-Chernobyl)…” unimperator@114
As you say, it just did happen. And it was more likely to happen in the USA than almost anywhere, because few countries are as firmly under the thumbs of the ruling class (the Hedge Funds, the Corporations) as is the USA. What happened in Ohio was predictable and predicted, the permanent way was not maintained properly (no infrastructure ever is in the USA) the workforce was cut to the bone, demoralised, overworked and badly paid, and the governments that ought to be regulating the railroads like the regulatory commissions have been captured by the subjects of their regulation.
Finally the decision was taken-unbelievably- to save the money involved in a proper clean up by having what was laughingly called a ‘controlled burn.’
Say what you like about the Soviet Union but if Chernobyl happened in Ohio it would have been left to explode.
The US believes in capitalism and East Palestine showed it at work.

Posted by: bevin | Feb 14 2023 22:02 utc | 125

@bevin, #120:
Thank you for your comment. The opposition theater antics actually serve another purpose. Opposition is usually stated in manners that makes the policy advocators who are carrying out the PTB’s orders seem to be right. This has been a crucial factor in brainwashing the populaces in the West for the past few decades. The opposition on geopolitical issues NEVER gets to the heart of the matter, just to either whitewash a crime or to make the crime seem reasonable.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 14 2023 22:05 utc | 126

LightYearsFromHome @ 98
The US is sending depleted uranium weapons to Ukraine. If you don’t think WE are at war with Russia, you’re wrong.
We have been spraying that stuff everywhere trough aviation and mechanized units in war. The contracts noted in the video gives one pause. Is the stuff going to the Ukraine? I bet Putin brings it up in his next speech.
It is awful to say the least but not unexpected.

Posted by: circumspect | Feb 14 2023 22:07 utc | 127

Republicofscotland no. 62
Maybe it’s a way of saying we are finished supporting you.
An excuse after all the rhetoric of commitment. Here’s something from another article just now:
“Some analysts believe NATO would not have enough supplies to fight Russia itself if it came to it now.
Germany is reported to have two days’ worth of ammunition supplies for instance if Russian tanks came rumbling over its borders.”

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Feb 14 2023 22:07 utc | 128

Norwegian@115
What goes around, comes around. Norwegian politicians like Stoltenberg (its difficult to believe that he simultaneously applied for the UN and NATO Secretary Generalships) preen themselves on their roles as Princes of the Rule Based Order, the tame puppets of the Nobel Prize Committee make an annual ritual of choosing an imperial champion for the Peace Prize, and the country rents out its borders to the US to use to threaten its enemy du jour. Oslo hosts a meeting at which the final act of the Naqba is choreographed by Israel and the US.
Nobody blames the plain people of Norway for this but when did they ever punish any of these clowns for the work they are doing to pave the path to Armageddon?

Posted by: bevin | Feb 14 2023 22:11 utc | 129

@ Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 14 2023 21:53 utc | 121
Ahh the Seth Rich murder cover-up to divert attention from the real cover-up.
“He was awake and talking when he arrived. He was then taken to a secure area of the hospital. We were told the next day that he had died.”
A lowly DNC staffer was moved to a secure area of the hospital? Assuming Rich’s account was used to download the DNC emails, which is a safe bet, he was obviously working for the Israeli faction that wanted Trump elected.
He was extracted to prevent Arkancide. He has a new identity and is still working on special projects managed out of Tel Aviv.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 14 2023 22:13 utc | 130

Posted by: watcher | Feb 14 2023 21:58 utc | 124
Which I find an excellent reason for not having children.
I tend to agree with Chi McBride’s character “Jump” Chambers in the movie “Cradle to the Grave”, wherein DMX’s character goes to Jump, who is a mob boss running things from his prison cell, to beg assistance to getting his daughter back from the terrorist group selling nuclear materials: “My little girl’s mixed up in this…” Jump coldly tells him: “So make another one.”
As another character in a “Star Trek” novel said: “The man without love gives no hostages to fortune.”

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 14 2023 22:16 utc | 131

The west has caught a virus. It has been sick a long time. The virus has weakened it’s systems to the point it can’t take care of it’s own people.
Posted by: Dingo | Feb 14 2023 20:06 utc | 77
The US has never and does not want to take care of ‘it’s own people’. The main goal of USG is to make sure the 1% controls and retains the power, money, resources and control of the masses. It’s not since the end of WWII that they really tried to take that global.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Feb 14 2023 22:20 utc | 132

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 14 2023 22:13 utc | 131
Nice conspiracy theory. I find it doubtful, but anything is possible. I prefer the simpler theory that the Clintons knocked off Rich to prevent any possibility that the Wikileaks email theft wouldn’t be blamed on the Russians, and of course in retaliation for having stolen said emails.
But Russiagate is off topic, so I’ll leave it there.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 14 2023 22:21 utc | 133

I wonder if the definition of the SMO will be changed. There was recent talk on some Telegram channels that the Russians are considering declaring Ukraine a terrorist state and then they can use more force in an anti-terrorist operation. There was also talk of just declaring war on Ukraine and wiping the country off the face of the earth. Who knows until it does or doesn’t happen?

Posted by: Ivan | Feb 14 2023 22:22 utc | 134

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxDas0vgohs Mark Sleboda on ‘The Barricades’ podcast on the military situation and the likely final post-war extent of Ukrainian territory based upon the subjective identities of western vs eastern Ukrainian citizens and the inability of Russia to militarily control hostile-minded populations for a long duration. Points he has made before but still interesting.

Posted by: mjh | Feb 14 2023 22:27 utc | 135

I always wonder why putin does not record 3 minute videos explaining his position. Instead of making long speeches that are ignored.
He should record these in German. I believe he speaks it. And explain simple concepts like the war began with the Maidan coup and The Americans blew up the pipeline. The goal would be to break the Germans away from the Americans.
A video like this would be impossible to censor.
Posted by: Forte Shades | Feb 14 2023 20:22 utc | 80
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I see comments like this often. Putin is not from your demographic, your culture, or your worldview. Judging him by your standard is not the correct frame to analyze his behavior, IMO.
Long speeches are generally not ignored in the East. They are ignored in the West which has very little attention span, and very little appreciation for deep thought.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 14 2023 22:27 utc | 136

# 133 thanks for the epiphany. I’m glad the analogy was not lost on you.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 14 2023 22:34 utc | 137

circumspect @ 128

It is awful to say the least but not unexpected.

The RF govt already stated DU shells would be considered the same as a dirty bomb and regarded as a nuclear attack against Russia. That’s why I posted it. One more redline that NATO will blithely cross. Of course it’s from the social media referencing social media circle jerk so who knows if it’s at all true.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 14 2023 22:36 utc | 138

You mean 140 character speeches? Maybe Putin can hire someone like whoever it was that yaked up Trump’s tweets at 3am.
And, Putin has already delegated that short attention span pop culture silliness to Kadyrov, Medvedev, Prigozhin.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 14 2023 20:53 utc | 94
The posters here are the .001% of the western audience. The normies consume short videos. T hat is something trump understood. And he won despite the opposition of the entire mainstream media.
Nobody I’m the west will ever read a putin speech. They will watch a short video should he ever record one.

Posted by: Forte shades | Feb 14 2023 22:38 utc | 139

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 14 2023 18:26 utc | 37
It’s more like the two biggest clown groups owned by the bourgeoisie fighting over the crumbs that fall from the bourgeoisie’s table and distracting people from the elephant in the room with the other clown groups.
Of course, these clown groups are indeed organized crime groups as well, just like corporations, religious institutions, non-religious NGOs (including Masons, unions), local governments, federal agencies, and large Internet communities.

Posted by: Colin | Feb 14 2023 22:47 utc | 140

Posted by: mjh | Feb 14 2023 22:27 utc | 136
“the inability of Russia to militarily control hostile-minded populations for a long duration.”
On which, if he thinks Russia can’t, he is wrong, in Ukraine’s case at least. Whatever issues they had in Afghanistan or the first Chechnya war are in the past. Chechnya and Syria prove Russia can deal with insurgents. And if necessary, they can do it like they did in the 1940’s in Ukraine.
As I’ve said before, after the Russian army clears Ukraine of its military, it will be followed by thousands of GRU/SVR/FSB/Rosqvardia agents who will take care of reconstituting the security of the country by detaining and deporting anyone capable of influencing anyone to be a nuisance, and infiltrating any such organization that does form. Once Russia improves the economy, the rest of the population will fall in line.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 14 2023 22:53 utc | 141

I am sticking to the position that the US acted alone until there is real evidence otherwise. It would be too risky to involve other national militaries and they would have been more afraid of potential blowback.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 14 2023 20:55 utc | 95
I’ve heard before that you support the theory of British involvement.
But apparently the typical “too many people involved and therefore too much risk” argument to deny the veracity of conspiracy theories is not valid.

Posted by: Colin | Feb 14 2023 22:54 utc | 142

No one of substance takes Joe Byden’s speeches seriously here in the USA as he lies like a rug, isn’t very bright and is now addled with early dementia..
Putin’s speech will be of major interest to me particularly with the recent use of chemical weapons on Russian troops.

Posted by: Lou Cypher | Feb 14 2023 22:59 utc | 143

@Fleurs-du-mal | Feb 14 2023 18:39 utc | 40
@Mark2 | Feb 14 2023 21:22 utc | 109
Türkiye quake act of terrorism?
Not a single comment in response.
The elephants in the MOA bar.
What kind of psychological denial is that…

This Romanian lawmaker (link in #40) provides not a single piece of evidence. She’s probably dumb as 100 metres of dirt road and/or an US-hating analogon of Victoria Nuland. Or, some three-letter-orgs have fallen so far down to plant such utterly absurd nonsense. Conspiracy theories may (1) serve the purpose of distracting / splitting opposition groups, and (2) inform about “networks” by monitoring the velocity of the spreading. In East Germany, it was one of the “Stasimethoden” that aimed at “decomposition”.
The “nuke triggered the quake” theory was discussed in the last 2 days on MoA.
See my reply OttoE | Feb 13 2023 8:54 utc | 289

Posted by: OttoE | Feb 14 2023 23:00 utc | 144

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 14 2023 22:53 utc | 142
Terrible as it sounds, I think Russia’s job has been made easier by the war – if they had had an easy victory a year ago, they would have got complacent, and soon had a major insurgency on their hands, even in the East. A year of war will have crushed Ukraine’s will to resist, particularly if defeat happens because the government collapses. And unlike in many places, Ukrainians who don’t want to live under Russian rule can just go west. Remembering that Ukraine has been depopulating for decades. And overall, I don’t think that nationalism is the motivating force that the West thinks it is. Look how quickly German nationalism collapsed in 1945. Ukrainian nationalism will be discredited like Nazism was discredited. If the West had have been really clever, not to mention desirous of saving hundreds of thousands of lives, they would have stood by while Russia defeated Ukraine, and then thrown everything into supporting an insurgency.

Posted by: Technophobe | Feb 14 2023 23:03 utc | 145

Hmmmm .. maybe an opportunity for a huge Russia-blaming false flag surrounding the Poland trip.

Posted by: TEP | Feb 14 2023 23:08 utc | 146

Russia is a failing state.
Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | Feb 14 2023 17:30 utc | 1
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No, it is not, and I think you are full of a bunch of ma Larkey….

Posted by: Ed | Feb 14 2023 23:15 utc | 147

Posted by: OttoE | Feb 14 2023 23:00 utc | 145
Now I certainly am not arguing the case for a deliberate act by anyone in the earthquakes, but I have long suspected that SOME of the world’s large quakes have been triggered by underground nuclear tests. Obviously those in Pakistan are always possible, given it has nuclear weapons and I do not rule out Iran, Indonesia, Japan or even dare I say it Australia as possibly undertaking secret underground tests.
In the case of the Turkey/Syria earthquakes, the possibility that Turkey or Israel or even Azerbaijan or the US/UK using Azerbaijan or one of the other stans cannot be dismissed totally. My geological expertise is minimal so I have no idea where fault lines might exist that would trigger an earthquake in Turkey.
Of course other possibilities exist- oil/gas wells my trigger earth movements or building large dams.
The warning by the USA were certainly suspicious. So as a possibility to consider, could the USA terrorist network have been seeking to blow the Turkish pipelines (ie NS repeat) and triggered an earthquake by accident.

Posted by: watcher | Feb 14 2023 23:23 utc | 148

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. Russia is doing to “The West” what the US claimed it did to Russia – induce a financial collapse.

Posted by: Jeff Harrison | Feb 14 2023 23:33 utc | 149

OttoE @ 145
Classic denial there from you.
What was discussed a couple of days ago was the possibility of fracking tec being used, it was then stated that fracking had taken place in that exact area.
Plus you dismiss totaly out of hand the incidents mentioned in the link.
They still deny 9/11 all circumstance
But then if you wish to use denial as a survival tool more fool you.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 14 2023 23:34 utc | 150

The situation with artillery ammunition is getting so bad that NATO has already started training Ukraine army with tactics using much less artillery fire.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/14/u-s-training-ukrainian-troops-use-less-ammo-00082765

Posted by: Saracen’s Head | Feb 14 2023 23:36 utc | 151

Putins Speech on February 21st…..Biden’s between February 20-22nd?
No! No! Don’t fall for this Mr Putin. Biden’s going to wait until you’ve had your speech then diss it in his speech after his advisers have poured over it. You must delay it until February 23rd.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Feb 14 2023 23:42 utc | 152

Sy Hersh’s German interview
@: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 14 2023 19:09 utc | 54

RSH,
Many thanks for the English translation. Hersh is good to his word. He did say he was not done with the expose at Substack. More meat added. USA is damaged goods.

Lots of questions Germans should direct at Scholz. How about Norway, and the rest of the EU “allies” …..France do you have anything to say?
The old adage affirms, “Follow the Money”
Biden heavily invested in Ukraine: Will the repubs impeach or let him drift out to pasture?

Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 14 2023 23:50 utc | 153

“60 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles and hundreds of other vehicles from US to Ukraine are already in German port of Bremerhaven
There are also 280 units of other various military equipment, according to the Nordsee-Zeitung.”
https://t.me/s/Slavyangrad
One ought to see the aerial view of them. If I were a Kinzhal my mouth would be watering.

Posted by: Sektion2B | Feb 14 2023 23:57 utc | 154

It goes with out needing to be said that any state terrorist activity has to come with plausable deniability.
Which wont fool Vladimir Putin.
I suspect his big speech soon will not be negotiations but alatamatoms on a 72 hour deadline.
He won’t fall for the trap of starting war with his neabours and future trading partners.
He will go for the head of the snake,
England.
Oh and in my opinion.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 14 2023 23:59 utc | 155

Colin@143
My view is that, if the British were involved directly, the Tories would have been unable typo restrain themselves from banging their chests and telling the world how important they still are.
The truth is that, in the past few months we have had three PMs all of them desperate for anything to boast about and all of them ultra Bandera nationalists.
(I just got a great book on first Nations in America, by the way, “Indigenous Continent”, its written by an Oxford historian called Pekka Hamaleinen. Haven’t read it yet but it begins promisingly.)

Posted by: bevin | Feb 15 2023 0:08 utc | 156

jo6pac #1
You got it. Brandon would triple down if he could only count past 2.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 15 2023 0:14 utc | 157

I see we have a new type of commentator–the sound bite addict–who is incapable of following any long, organized discourse or speech and thinks it’s the weakness of the speaker. Fortunately, a great many people haven’t had their minds numbed in that manner and expect long, detailed talks, particularly on very important topics like war and peace. IMO, such an affliction is similar to various dementias.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 15 2023 0:17 utc | 158

Opport Knocks #110
MOA equivalent of Article 5.
Mutually Assured Laughter.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 15 2023 0:26 utc | 159

Thierry Meysann has a new story up. Its mainly about how Ukraine is losing and how the US is committing suicide, but making sure none of its allies survives it. Then he turns to the Earthquake question:
“…The earthquake that has just shaken Turkey and Syria does not have the characteristics of earthquakes observed so far, anywhere in the world. The fact that a dozen Western ambassadors left Ankara in the five days preceding the earthquake and that, in the same period, their countries issued advice not to travel to Turkey seems to indicate that the West knew in advance what was going to happen. The United States has the technical means to cause earthquakes. In 1976, they promised never to use them. Romanian Senator Diana Ivanovici Șoșoacă claims that they violated their signature of the “Convention on the Prohibition of the Use of Environmental Modification Techniques for Military or any other Hostile Purposes” and caused this earthquake [6]. President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has asked his intelligence services (MİT) to investigate what is now only a hypothesis. In the case of a positive response, it would have to be admitted that Washington, aware that it is no longer the world’s leading economic power, nor the world’s leading military power, destroys its allies before it dies….”
https://www.voltairenet.org/article218844.html

Posted by: bevin | Feb 15 2023 0:26 utc | 160

Jonah Goldberg, “Baghdad Delenda Est, Part II: Get On With It,” National Review, April 23, 2002.
“Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business.”
Posted by: Blissex | Feb 14 2023 20:16 utc | 79
Hi, Blissex, just a head’s up– this quote is from one of the original NeoCon ghouls, Michael Ledeen, many years prior– here is a link to show that– https://politicstoday.org/america-is-back-so-what-on-why-the-united-states-is-losing-the-world/
Goldberg is a moron who only got a column by riding on Mommy’s coattails!! Don’t forget his ridiculous book “Liberal Fascism” that said that Hitler was a “Socialist” (no, Socialist was included in the NASDAP party name, but Hitler killed lefty socialists alongside gays, Anarchists, Commies, Jews and other “undesirables.”) Also note that the Unite the Right Nazi Thugs in 2017 in Charlottesville, not a single one called for “Socialism”. Now don’t get me wrong, Maddy Albright, Kamala, Brandon et al are called “Liberals” in this far-right country and they are Fascists. But that ain’t what Jonah was talking about.
You are welcome.

Posted by: SkepticalThinker | Feb 15 2023 0:34 utc | 161

There’s an abundance of comments describing EU leaders as dim, stupid, irrational, incompetent, etc. But a more plausible explanation is sexual blackmail. According to the investigative journalist Whitney Webb, Jeffrey Epstein was one of many intelligence operatives who collect compromat on politicians.
In light of Webb’s expose’, Stoltz’s political suicide makes more sense. Webb’s Book “One Nation Under Blackmail,” does a deep dive into the topic

Posted by: Willow | Feb 15 2023 0:42 utc | 162

slothrop was so kind as to provide the Beregini group links to alleged AFU plans for an attack on Donbass Febr. 2022
Are these photographed documents to be taken seriously or is this fabrication?
sry if I appear totally clueless.

Posted by: AG | Feb 15 2023 0:44 utc | 163

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 15 2023 0:17 utc | 159
Every “soundbite addict” should be forced to read The Brothers Karamazov.
But it may be more of an entitlement syndrome than having a short attention span. For 25 years Putin has tried to come to a peaceful understanding with the West. But now he should make 3-minutes videos for the Western normies. Why? Because they deserve it? Why not make a 3-minute video for his own people? Or for friendly countries in Africa who want to share their future with Russia and have serious problems due to sanctions?
No, the entitled Western brat thinks the world’s currently most important man should make a 3-minute video he can share with his friends.

Posted by: Zebra | Feb 15 2023 0:50 utc | 164

Posted by: bevin | Feb 15 2023 0:26 utc | 161
“Thierry Meysann”
I don’t pay a lot of attention to him. He comes up with stuff but it’s always zero references and zero links.
He’s one of these guys – there are others – who want you to believe that they have “secret sources” feeding them all sort of “underground intel.” 99% of the time it’s complete bullshit. If they don’t have prior intelligence agency experience or have known agency contacts, it’s certainly bullshit.
Even if they do have provable contacts, their theories require evidencereal evidence, not “connect-the-dots” evidence. Because without that, they might be receiving bullshit from their contacts as a “limited hangout.”
Always ask for evidence, and always ask “cui bono” – who profits from this information being leaked?

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 15 2023 0:56 utc | 165

Bevin @ 161:
Some MoA comments fora ago, I had said to Moses22 that I thought an earthquake the size and with the power of the recent Turkey-Syria quake was impossible to create artificially. But after seeing other news that gas pipelines in Turkey shut down just before the quake was noticed by seismologists combined with all the other news about several Western ambassadors abruptly leaving Ankara and travel advisory notices warning tourists not to visit Turkey being issued, the exact epicentre of the original quake still remaining undetermined apparently, and the shallowness of the quake itself, I am now wondering whether it is indeed possible that quakes could be artificially generated (though not necessarily with HAARP transmitter and antennae).
The only issue I have with the notion that the quakes were artificially generated is that they did not occur near major natural gas pipelines like TANAP or Turkstream. Nor did the quakes apparently affect any dams on rivers in the Tigris-Euphrates River system. Erdogan and his buddies in the Turkish construction industry (including his son and son-in-law) seem quite safe for now. I would have thought that if you were going target Turkey and President Erdogan in particular with artificial earthquakes, you would set them off in an area closer to the major gas pipelines going into SE Europe, the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers or to major cities like Ankara and Istanbul. Istanbul is overdue for a major earthquake which would be catastrophic for a city with over 15 million people, many of them housed in buildings with structures and foundations not suited to withstand a quake the size of the recent quake in SE Turkey. You would also make sure to target areas where there have been recent large infrastructure projects suspected of dubious funding or reckoned to have been awarded to particular firms linked (directly or indirectly) to Erdogan personally.
The area in SE Turkey where the quake did hit is an area where ISIS, Al Nusraa and other jihadi fighters must have been taken after they left Idlib province in NW Syria. I wonder if anyone else has noticed this possibility?

Posted by: Jen | Feb 15 2023 1:00 utc | 166

Richard Steven Hack | Feb 14 2023 19:09 utc | 54
“Hersh: In Norway, there is also a strong hostility towards Russia”
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This is a lie.
Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 14 2023 20:52 utc | 93
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Ok! Ok! , It is just a big lie, and that is why Norway assisted the Biden Administration in destroying the NS pipelines. So, they love Russia, but they hate Germany, and they just kiss Biden’s ass because?

Posted by: Ed | Feb 15 2023 1:04 utc | 167

Richard Steven Hack @ 166
Shame you yanks didn’t apply that over Iraq and its so called weapons of mass distruction.
Damm Americans think they make the rules and everyone else has to follow them bull shit.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 15 2023 1:08 utc | 168

It’s entirely possible that Norway is now exporting the more carcinogenic-laden supply of lutefisk to the unsuspecting masses while they enjoy safer, cleaner and tastier versions of the popular ?????. Whatever it is.

Posted by: safe | Feb 15 2023 1:10 utc | 169

Posted by: Saracen’s Head | Feb 14 2023 23:36 utc | 152
Have they thought about swords, battle axes and arrows. How about pikes and staffs?

Posted by: watcher | Feb 15 2023 1:11 utc | 170

Jen @ 167
The earth quake happened on a major fault in the earth crust, called a tectonic crust.
Do I detect sarcasm, flipancy.
Over 30,ooo died.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 15 2023 1:16 utc | 171

I’m surprised that we’re nattering about geo-political conflicts instigated by violent racist-supremacist AmeriKKKa whilst ignoring violent racist-supremacist “Israel’s” influence on “Western” politics.
In circa 2007, Walt & Mearsheimer prepared a comprehensive and exhaustively detailed thesis called The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy. Its conclusions were applauded by peaceniks and eviscerated by warmongers and other psychopaths. However, it resonates more clearly now, in 2023, than it did when it was published.
Ignoring “Israel’s” influence on the “West” is a potentially fatal mistake.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 15 2023 1:21 utc | 172

Opport Knocks @ 95
“I am sticking to the position that the US acted alone until there is real evidence otherwise. It would be too risky to involve other national militaries and they would have been more afraid of potential blowback.”
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You will admit that the blasts have been investigated by at least two countries, the Swedish and Danish authorities, and they aren’t saying shit. Why? Because International Terrorism is a big deal. The silence says it all.
Does anyone at the bar really believe that if they had evidence that Russia did it, that would be the headlines all over the would?

Posted by: Ed | Feb 15 2023 1:24 utc | 173

Well, about Turkey’s awful earthquale, Antioch had been nearly entirely destroyed twice in ancient times. It’s not as if scumbags allowing shitting buildings to be built in Antakya couldn’t know that was actually a high-risk area, the same way anyone living close to Vesuvius knows it’s a dangerous area, sooner or later.
At “best”, conspiracy-oriented people can wonder if earthquakes can be triggered, but you can’t create an earthquake out of thin earth in places without any faultline; you won’t see by sheer magic a major earthquake in Finland or Australian outback.
Besides, whether it was natural or not is mostly beyond the point. The point is that a major earthquake was going to hit that area in the next decades, and governments, local authorities and construction firms should’ve made sure building codes were actually implemented.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Feb 15 2023 1:25 utc | 174

General Milli Vanilli
“Russia has lost ‘strategically, operationally and tactically”
@cnn

Posted by: ba12 | Feb 15 2023 1:26 utc | 175

One thing that the Nato derps have learned since the launch of the SMO is that while they were patting themselves on their backs for all the ‘secret’ work they had done since 2014 building up the ukie nazis, the Russian Federation had also been building up their weapons development and most importantly all their munitions stockpiles and since nato was taken so unaware by the seemingly infinite supply of missiles, drones and shells which the Russians have been chewing through with no end in sight, it is likely that much of this work actually was secret.
It has been 12 months since the SMO has kicked off and despite all sorts of media stories to the contrary claiming the west is almost shelled out, it would be stupid to take those yarns at face value, as it is certain that many western nations with munitions manufacturing capability will have swung into action dramatically increasing production and trying to keep that secret. I betcha that is how the strategy nerds in the RF will be considering it.
If we study all major conflicts from say Bonaparte’s conquering of europe through to amerika’s invasion of Iraq, we see that wars rarely if ever end as they began, IOW there are pendulum swings favouring one side then the other, then back again, then ?
Putting some sort of limit on the period a war will continue for is absurd IMO.
I very much want to see the RF succeed in resisting the onslaught of the amerikan empire, but I’m not so naive as to imagine that is a forgone conclusion as history has taught us there is no such thing especially regarding war.
Kadyrov has always struck me as a bit of a suss character more myth than man whose persona is geared towards inspiring feelings of pride & nationalism in the minds of Russian citizens more than it is focussed on winning wars, I am sure he has many great war nerds working with him but that does not mean that when he claims “It will be all over by the end of the year” that he is correct, he is placating Russian public opinion that is what he is doing as you don’t need to be some great military mind to understand that the longer this war continues, the more time it gives the nato mob to build up their stockpiles as well as the more time the nato nerds have to watch how Russia fights and develop counters to their tactics & strategy.
The RF military is going to have to be very careful whenever it fights the nazis anywhere close to the borders of any nation which is a Nato member because next time a Ukie missile falls into the territory of a Nato pal, sleepy Joe & the gang may have decided “We’re as ready as we are ever going to be” and agree with the Ukies that it was in fact an RF missile. Suddenly a full-on europe wide conflict has kicked off with troops from many nations plus all the weapons they held back plus extras that have been churned out on the qt since January 2022.
Maybe it won’t go that way but only a moron would deny that possibility, which is why the Russians are going to have move as quickly as possible through spring but also as cautiously as possible.
Sure whatever provocation nato pull will be uncovered at a later date, they usually are, however by that time it is frequently “too late”, the war is going full bore and few are listening.
2023 is going to be knife edge stuff more so than 2022 and if the war is still being fought by 2024 as I reckon it will be, it is going to be far more risky for us all than 2023 will be.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Feb 15 2023 1:30 utc | 176

Bevin @ 161
Jen @ 167
What is interesting is the second 7.5M earthquake 9hrs after the first and on a different fault line. Media is overly anxious to write it off as an aftershock, but clearly its own quake with its own aftershocks. Both were shallow, which is why there was so much ground movement. There has been no major activity on the East Antolian fault for a long time which means a significant build up of pressure. So this earthquake is entirely plausible on its own.
Scientists say the second earthquake on the Surgu/Cardak fault may have been triggered by the first, though it has never happened before in recorded earthquake history. Earthquakes do trigger other quakes but usually talking at least decades not hours later.

Posted by: MG | Feb 15 2023 1:32 utc | 177

Clueless Joe @ 1751
That right there is the kind of comment / attitude that makes me think America needs to feel pain right now.
England to.
To teach them empathy.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 15 2023 1:33 utc | 178

Always ask for evidence, and always ask “cui bono” – who profits from this information being leaked?
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 15 2023 0:56 utc | 166
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I saw a story this morning on Microsoft News. It was a Fox Story headline that said that the AFU destroyed several hundred Russian tanks and killed 5000 Russian troops in a recent battle. I didn’t read the story, for obvious reasons, but this is what passes as MSM news these days: I see it every day.

Posted by: Ed | Feb 15 2023 1:34 utc | 179

@ 172 – I didn’t sense any flippancy in Jen’s comment. I think her points are valid and interesting. And to see Jen give some credence to HAARP indicates that she has given it serious thought. I generally sense that HAARP is sort of treated like we never landed on the moon or chemtrails sort of stuff. It could be true, but it can be twisted to make one sound like a lunatic. She did some research, I would bet.
But she doesn’t need me to defend her.

Posted by: lex talionis | Feb 15 2023 1:38 utc | 180

Russia is a failing state.
Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | Feb 14 2023 17:30 utc | 11
I’m afraid that statement is a bunch of malarkey. Choose a new name.

Posted by: Activist Potato | Feb 15 2023 1:44 utc | 181

Ukraine casualties continue creeping up, as of today the total figure has breached a significant threshold 309,666 to be precise.
Posted by: AI | Feb 14 2023 17:57 utc | 26
Eventually, the Ukrainians who survive this war will wake up from this nightmare and ask themselves “how did it come to this?” There will follow histories and studies written about the evils of nationalism based on ethnic supremacism and hate, which people will pay heed to for as long as there are sufficient survivors to support the literature. Eventually, that generation will die out and the root evil will return because few living have a frame of reference, no respect for history – and a naive belief that “this time is different.” Thus, history repeats itself or, as some prefer to say, rhymes.

Posted by: Activist Potato | Feb 15 2023 1:53 utc | 182

Lex Talions @ 181
Fair point, you are probably right, having re read, Apolagese to jen who I know is a long time contributor.
But, obveously you could only start a major earthquake on e major fault line, so to suggest that spot could be moved about to suit the agenda is less than her usual high qoulity contribution.
Do we seriously suggest the psychopaths we are dealing with here would worry about detail like a pipeline being near.
For heavens sake 30,000 dead dont you think thats enough damage.
Fracking tec was used creating massive instant force on a major fault line that was well known. Circumstancal evedence is the best evidence very often, except to those who choose not to believe any evidence.
I really really feel for Turkey right now. And the yanks refused aid to Syrian territory except where their proxy terrorists are.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 15 2023 2:04 utc | 183

@AI 26
309,666 dead
sry to ask but would you have some link?
without folks won´t believe me.
thx!

Posted by: AG | Feb 15 2023 2:04 utc | 184

A shipment of American armored vehicles has arrived in Germany.
https://twitter.com/PeImeniPusha/status/1625565453027512320
Posted by: too scents | Feb 14 2023 18:46 utc | 45
Well the recently called up Russian reserves call up need something to realistic practice on. How nice of Sargent Sholtz to volunteer them to the Russkies

Posted by: Drsmith | Feb 15 2023 2:05 utc | 185

I suspect the west expected Russia to crumble under weight of economic measures. This was to bring and early end to conflict in Ukraine. Now US is supposed to be preparing to intimidate China. But instead it is displaying weakness.
The problem with shifting to war economy (not supposed to be a big shift for US, is definitely a big shift for Europe) is if it fails, youve just collapsed your economy.

Posted by: jared | Feb 15 2023 2:11 utc | 186

Jen@167
I know nothing about earthquakes or whether or not they can be artificially induced, I posted the link to Meysann because he is always interesting to read and his thoughts are a valuable addition to our forum. I really have nothing to add to what anyone who has thought about the matter has to say.
Having said which I do not disagree with the properly sceptical R S Hack@166.
Talking of sceptics thanks to Sceptical Thinker @162 for setting that record straight: Goldberg is a total nonentity whereas Ledeen is one of the criminal neo-con pioneers. Those responsible for arranging accommodations in Hell should make sure Ledeen is not forgotten.

Posted by: bevin | Feb 15 2023 2:12 utc | 187

#183 Yes, the same steps up the same steps down. No learning. Nothing inspiring about it. The repetition of death for vain-glory.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 15 2023 2:14 utc | 188

To exhaust Russia the USA will push this right up to the nuclear edge, right up to all the red lights flashing and sirens blaring, the Hegemon’s prerogative. At that point it will step back and decide on some accord, the benevolent Emperor’s great sacrifice against Rusian evil and his blessing on all humanity.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 14 2023 21:23 utc | 111
I think you are being sarcastic wit “the benevolent Emperor’s great sacrifice,” etc., but regardless, I think if it ever got to that point (which it won’t) it would be very clear to all who mattered that the Emperor had no clothes and, therefore, there would be no saving face for the Emperor by backing down, just more well-deserved humiliation.

Posted by: Activist Potato | Feb 15 2023 2:18 utc | 189

Speaking of bimbo politicians, Nikki Haley is running for president. This should be entertaining.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Feb 15 2023 2:23 utc | 190

Russia is a failing state.
Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | Feb 14 2023 17:30 utc | 11
https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/seven-ten-americans-say-country-crisis-risk-failing
And America.

Posted by: Colin | Feb 15 2023 2:29 utc | 191

Re: Earthquake Damage
A 7.9 quake followed by a 7.5 is a gigantic release of energy. It’s roughly 10 times the energy of the Loma Prieta quake in SF back in 1989. Very few big buildings can withstand the forces of a 7.9, especially heavy construction. If a 7.9 followed by a 7.5 hit SF or LA – we’d also see extensive destruction.

Posted by: Exile | Feb 15 2023 2:37 utc | 192

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 14 2023 18:33 utc | 39
Didn’t you see the tongue in his cheek?

Posted by: Anne B | Feb 15 2023 3:01 utc | 193

Mark2 @ 184:
I accept your apology.
Turkey sits atop the junction of three major tectonic plates (Eurasian, African, Arabian) plus a fair few minor plates so there are fault lines going across the country, many close to where the TANAP and Turkstream gas pipelines run, and other fault lines also run close to the headwaters of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, or near major population centres like Istanbul (not to mention the Dardanelles and the Bosporus), so to site an artificial earthquake near southeast Turkey / northwest Syria far from all these other, more strategic (I would have thought) locations that could provide more bang for $$$ seems odd. I am not moving any spots; my suggestions are based on information about Turkey’s geology that can be looked up online.
This would argue for the recent earthquakes being of natural origin, not artificial origin. Still, there are those who argue that these earthquakes are not typical of the Anatolian region. I guess this is a case of “watch this space”.

Posted by: Jen | Feb 15 2023 3:08 utc | 194

Posted by: Colin | Feb 15 2023 2:29 utc | 192
(IPSOS survey finds a majority of US citizens think US Democracy isn’t very democratic)
Thanks for the link. It’s interesting that Western MSM only seeks comment from citizens when there’s a spectacular event.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 15 2023 3:09 utc | 195

I’m sure I’ll be resurrecting much of what transpired a year ago since all sorts of lies and spin were told then and will certainly be told yet again. So, here’s just a taster from Lavrov’s 25 February 2022 presser, whose transcript no one could read because of the intense cyberattack made by the Outlaw US Empire as soon as the SMO began and didn’t become available until 11 March. Lavrov is replying to a CNN presstitute:

Let me go over it again. You don’t want to listen to what I’m saying. In my previous answers to the questions posed by Western media representatives, I pointed out what President Vladimir Putin had to say. I realise that you have other things to worry about and would be hard pressed to read the statement describing Russia’s stance carefully. However, I encourage you to do so. Since you are in Ukraine, encourage your Ukrainian colleagues, primarily representatives of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, to read it.
No one is going to attack the Ukrainian people, or to degrade Ukrainian servicemen. It is about not allowing neo-Nazis and those who promote genocidal methods to run that country. Currently, the Kiev regime is controlled by two external mechanisms: the US-led West and neo-Nazis who are promoting their “culture,” which is flourishing in modern Ukraine.
With regard to what people currently in Kiev are feeling, let me highlight it for you once again: read President Vladimir Putin’s statement. There are no attacks against civilian infrastructure. There are no attacks against Ukrainian army barracks or other locations that are not associated with the offensive military facilities. The available statistics confirm this.
I would like to ask you, a representative of the free media, a question: why, in all these past eight years, did no Western journalists regularly cover what was happening on the Ukrainian government-controlled western line of contact in Donbass? All the more so, if you are now that horrified by what is going on in Kiev. Has anyone from CNN ever been to Donbass? Have you seen schools being destroyed, or women carrying babies in their arms being killed? Have you seen carpet bombing of a children’s beach? Has anyone at all been there?
I think that you should ask your questions based on the facts. And the facts are provided in the address by President of Russia Vladimir Putin. [My Emphasis]

The document Lavrov urges the ignoramus to read is Putin’s 24 February 2022 Speech. And I’m sure I’ll be citing passages from that over the next several days. There are several other gems from Lavrov in that presser.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 15 2023 3:10 utc | 196

Bevin @ 161
Jen @ 167
MG @ 178
The 2019 Rivercrest earthquake in the desert of Southern California had characteristics very similar to the current quake in Turkey. Two large quakes occurred sequentially (6.4 and 7.1) and on different fault lines. Interestingly the major damage from this quake occurred at the China Lake Test Facility where over 1300 structures and 5+ billion in damages was reported. So the Turkish quake may not be that unusual.
FYI – below is a link to a report on the 2019 Rivercrest quake by the USGS, that may be useful in comparing the respective characteristics of these two earthquakes.
https://earthquake.usgs.gov/storymap/index-ridgecrest.html

Posted by: Jerr | Feb 15 2023 3:17 utc | 197

#197 Lavrov is well spoken. A humanitarian motivation argument. It’s difficult to know what is happening, unless you are there yourself. Perhaps that’s the most important point involving war. We just sit back pick a side and observe from a safe distance. Like a sporting event. A very shallow understanding about a very serious situation.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 15 2023 3:31 utc | 198

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ #Chronicle of the Special Military Operation for 14 Feb 2023⚡️
📌 The Situation on the frontline has not changed significantly. Episodic battles and artillery duels continue in all sectors.
🔹#Starobelsk Direction:
▪️ In the #Kupyansk sector, Russian servicemen are consolidating in the area of #Gryanikovka, #Sinkovka and #Dvurechnoye near #Kupyansk.
➖ The enemy is accumulating additional forces in the vicinity of the town, preparing for a possible offensive by the RF Armed Forces.
▪️ Sporadic fighting continues in the #Liman sector near #Yampolovka and Balka Zhuravka.
🔹#Soledar (#Bakhmut) Direction:
▪️ After the liberation of Krasnaya Gora, Wagner PMC fighters continue their assault on #Paraskoviyevka.
▪️ In #Bakhmut itself there is fighting near the Mariupol cemetery and on the northern outskirts of the city.
▪️ Russian forces launched several missile strikes on AFU facilities in #Konstantinovka west of #Bakhmut.
🔹#Donetsk Direction:
▪️ In #Maryinka, fighting continues in the city centre near Druzhba Avenue.
▪️ The Ukrainian terrorists are almost continuously shelling the Donetsk agglomeration, causing damage to civilian infrastructure in the towns of the DPR.
🔹#Zaporozhye Direction:
▪️ The situation has not changed significantly, with rotation of Ukrainian forces and artillery duels are carried out along the contact line.

https://t.me/sitreports/4557

Posted by: Down South | Feb 15 2023 3:56 utc | 199

Jen@167…Dr Tesla had built a devise that had the ability to make things shake. During a test, the devise got out of control. According to his New York neighbours and Police reports, they arrived to find the building vibrating violently when the Police broke into Tesla’s lab they found Tesla with a sledge hammer trying to smash the devise because it had gotten out of control. So in theory it’s possible….
Cheers M
Interestingly, after the Tunguska Incident the esteemed Dr was invited, and traveled there to investigate. Looking at what he was working on at the time, I’ve always been of the mind that he caused it. HAARP is actually a Tesla design.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 15 2023 4:00 utc | 200