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February 26, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-47
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 27 2023 2:34 utc | 169 Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 27 2023 4:29 utc | 202 Buffalo Ken @162 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 27 2023 4:32 utc | 203 Posted by: Longhorn | Feb 27 2023 4:16 utc | 208
Hard stuff You to mention here as a wild prospective, but “some oligarches” – what those do You mean of their interests today representing, what could be their goals of their interests? Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 27 2023 4:44 utc | 204 Bevin @ 185 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 27 2023 4:54 utc | 205 Buffalo Ken @214 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 27 2023 5:14 utc | 206 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 27 2023 4:54 utc | 218
Ok so far, that history facts may mostly be true referenced by yours, but what all that “experience” might help us to follow-up the current US-calendar rather than only to understand the background echo more en-detail ? Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 27 2023 5:19 utc | 207 @ Longhorn | Feb 27 2023 4:16 utc | 208 Posted by: james | Feb 27 2023 5:21 utc | 208 [219] Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 27 2023 5:23 utc | 209 “In a response to the report, a contractor for Xi’an Bingo told VICE World News the drone maker had no business relationships with Russia. The company declined to comment any further and said it would only accept interviews from domestic media outlets. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 27 2023 5:24 utc | 210 Not only LCDs… Posted by: HelenB | Feb 27 2023 5:24 utc | 211 aristodemos | Feb 27 2023 4:54 utc | 218 Posted by: Sektion2B | Feb 27 2023 5:30 utc | 212 Posted by: james | Feb 27 2023 5:21 utc | 221
That’s a good state so far as long it stands. Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 27 2023 5:44 utc | 213 USA allegedly wasted in a year in Ukraine more than they did over the whole Afghanistan invasion. Posted by: Arioch | Feb 27 2023 5:48 utc | 214 UkrArmy for retreat from Bakhmut issued 50 litres of diesel fuel for 10 machines. Posted by: Arioch | Feb 27 2023 6:01 utc | 215 oh but, but… americans can supply lethal stuff to ukraine, but god forbid china does the same, lolol…. in god we trust… i think that is the american thing on the money…not exactly sure what it means… it is hard not to laugh at the stupidity and hypocrisy of this.. it would be a lot easier if so many innocent people weren’t being needlessly killed… Posted by: james | Feb 27 2023 6:24 utc | 216 A video from three days ago by The Hindustan Times wherein they interview a Russian economics expert who discusses the possibility that China might supply weapons to Russia.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 27 2023 7:13 utc | 217 apparently wagner posted on their telegram site the first leopard kill. polish mercs i only saw the thumbnail of the distinctive turret blown off. but anyway its started. Posted by: hankster | Feb 27 2023 7:19 utc | 218 https://mobile.twitter.com/OlgaBazova/status/1629830364674899968?cxt=HHwWgIC-qZuFqZ4tAAAA Posted by: John Kennard | Feb 27 2023 7:32 utc | 219 Posted by: Longhorn | Feb 27 2023 4:16 utc | 208 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 27 2023 7:45 utc | 220 Enjoy! Posted by: Suresh | Feb 27 2023 7:54 utc | 221 apparently wagner posted on their telegram site the first leopard kill Posted by: knighthawk | Feb 27 2023 8:24 utc | 222 Anyone know why zelensky has sacked the top military commander? Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Feb 27 2023 8:53 utc | 223 military equiptment being transported in postal trucks to hide them. Posted by: hankster | Feb 27 2023 9:04 utc | 224 Anyone know why zelensky has sacked the top military commander? Posted by: knighthawk | Feb 27 2023 9:11 utc | 225 Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Feb 27 2023 8:53 utc | 237 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 27 2023 9:20 utc | 226 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 27 2023 9:20 utc | 240 Posted by: knighthawk | Feb 27 2023 9:34 utc | 227 European officials reportedly pressed Kiev to accept a negotiated settlement on unfavorable terms : Posted by: Trysh | Feb 27 2023 9:55 utc | 228 Didn’t Hitler also sack one of his Feldmarschalls due to intensive argument that Hitler should withdraw troops from Stalingrad? Posted by: knighthawk | Feb 27 2023 10:02 utc | 229 “Russia has stopped pipeline oil supplies to Poland – Daniel Obaitek, head of PKN Orlen” Posted by: knighthawk | Feb 27 2023 10:17 utc | 230 European officials reportedly pressed Kiev to accept a negotiated settlement on unfavorable terms : Posted by: knighthawk | Feb 27 2023 10:31 utc | 231
It’s an act of high treason that any oil was being sent to the West at all in the last 12 months. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 27 2023 10:31 utc | 232
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/35305 Posted by: Down South | Feb 27 2023 10:35 utc | 233 More bullshit from the drive-by concern troll… Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 27 2023 10:37 utc | 234 https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1630144000173768704
What is there to say…
Recall that strategic bombers were moved to Murmansk because Engels, one of the key strategic nuclear aviation bases, was bombed 3 (three!) times by NATO. And that was the reaction to it — not something that would make sure they would not dare do it again, but turning the other cheek and moving the planes to Murmansk.
But that isn’t even acknowledge by the Kremlin fifth columnists, God forbid doing something to stop it… Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 27 2023 10:47 utc | 235
Yes, Stalin should have been selling oil to the Germans deep into 1942 and 1943. That would have saved him the trouble of fighting them east of the Donbass and at Stalingrad. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 27 2023 10:49 utc | 236 Concern troll bullshit…. What can you do? Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 27 2023 11:04 utc | 237 unimperator – 240 Posted by: Clueless Joe | Feb 27 2023 11:05 utc | 238 HelenB | Feb 27 2023 5:24 utc | 224 Posted by: dan of steele | Feb 27 2023 11:09 utc | 239 The mood in Russia:
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Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 27 2023 11:13 utc | 240 Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 27 2023 11:13 utc | 255 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 27 2023 11:28 utc | 241 Dan of steele no. 254 Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Feb 27 2023 11:32 utc | 242 Knighthawk no. 239 Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Feb 27 2023 11:34 utc | 243
Posted by: Down South | Feb 27 2023 11:34 utc | 244
Did you actually read even the first few paragraphs? Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 27 2023 11:49 utc | 245 More:
Great to see these being hit. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 27 2023 12:02 utc | 246
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/46252 Posted by: Down South | Feb 27 2023 12:04 utc | 247 Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 27 2023 11:49 utc | 260 Posted by: Gilles | Feb 27 2023 12:07 utc | 248
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/46255 Posted by: Down South | Feb 27 2023 12:09 utc | 249
That falls in the “the Kremlin is run by fifth columnists and traitors” category Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 27 2023 12:09 utc | 250 Richard Steven Hack | Feb 27 2023 11:04 utc | 252
Ignore it. Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Feb 27 2023 12:09 utc | 251 PMR situation:
This is what happens when you make a mockery of red lines. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 27 2023 12:13 utc | 252 Have a bad feeling that Russia has blown/is blowing this and as stated in 266, the only way out now may be ssomething along the lines of the use of a nuclear weapon in an uninhabited area. Posted by: Night Tripper | Feb 27 2023 12:25 utc | 253 Insight into secret accommodation Posted by: BonfireNight | Feb 27 2023 12:32 utc | 254
The tunnel under the Carpathian Mountains is indeed an ideal target. It is in a remote area, there will be at most double digit civilian casualties if done at the right time. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 27 2023 12:40 utc | 255
Posted by: Down South | Feb 27 2023 12:44 utc | 256 reply to 262 Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 27 2023 13:07 utc | 257 The germans were happy to slander us for being a bunch of arrogant warmongers, but now that that arrogant warmongering has inevitably caused a conflict with Russia, germany begs us to save them. It’s pathetic, really. Posted by: boring af | Feb 27 2023 13:13 utc | 258 Ignore it. Posted by: knighthawk | Feb 27 2023 13:19 utc | 259 Man and his wife try to film the Mobilization units hunting him down. Police arrived and instead of helping the citizen joins in. He says I need to call the real police not you! Posted by: unimperator | Feb 27 2023 13:40 utc | 260 Posted by: knighthawk | Feb 27 2023 10:31 utc | 245
Nothing new. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 27 2023 13:54 utc | 261 knighthawk | Feb 27 2023 13:19 utc | 274
Haeres nequiquam caeno cupiens evellere plantam. Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Feb 27 2023 14:11 utc | 262 Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 27 2023 10:49 utc | 250 Posted by: Brother Ma | Feb 27 2023 14:30 utc | 263 Things I found out today: Posted by: Cond Zero | Feb 27 2023 14:30 utc | 264 ThusspakeZarathustra | Feb 27 2023 11:32 utc | 257 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Feb 27 2023 14:31 utc | 265 Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Feb 27 2023 14:11 utc | 277 Posted by: knighthawk | Feb 27 2023 14:34 utc | 266 Didn’t Hitler also sack one of his Feldmarschalls due to intensive argument that Hitler should withdraw troops from Stalingrad? Posted by: BM | Feb 27 2023 14:40 utc | 267 @ Arch Bungle | Feb 27 2023 13:54 utc | 276
Er, at the very least, 106 years ?
Ho ho ho. Such, ‘credibility’, not. LOL
LOL. Perhaps, loosen yours ? 😉
Right ? Defeat & collapse, ironically triggered by it’s own deluded hubris, actions, conduct & overreach. Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 27 2023 15:13 utc | 269 Known as the ‘Dark Triad’, these traits include psychopathy, narcissism and Machiavellianism. Posted by: Jo | Feb 27 2023 15:15 utc | 270 I wanted to point you to the site which diverged from The dyeing Saker which became useless, his right hand. There is an excellent overview by AHH on connection between Africa and the rest of the world and the Russia. Check it out. Anyway The Saker has became useless since a while, good riddance and good luck. Posted by: stranger | Feb 27 2023 15:25 utc | 271 Has anybody here been able to find anything substantive or definitive about a reported sabotage attack at the Machulishchi military air base in Belarus?
The opposition they refer to is this outfit: https://bypol.org/en/ which describes itself as “A union of Belarusian security officers”. Further down their webpage is this gem:
Hmmm… Posted by: West of England Andy | Feb 27 2023 15:28 utc | 272 Posted by: West of England Andy | Feb 27 2023 15:28 utc | 287 Posted by: knighthawk | Feb 27 2023 15:30 utc | 273 @ West of England Andy | Feb 27 2023 15:28 utc | 287 Posted by: West of England Andy | Feb 27 2023 15:28 utc | 287 Posted by: Chris | Feb 27 2023 15:50 utc | 275 More tittle-tattle – gossip Posted by: BonfireNight | Feb 27 2023 15:55 utc | 276 Shadowbaned @261 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 27 2023 15:58 utc | 277 Posted by: West of England Andy | Feb 27 2023 15:28 utc | 287 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 27 2023 16:01 utc | 278 Gilles @263 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 27 2023 16:05 utc | 279 Shadowbanned @267 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 27 2023 16:12 utc | 280 Night Ripper @268 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 27 2023 16:15 utc | 281 Posted by: knighthawk | Feb 27 2023 15:30 utc | 288 Posted by: West of England Andy | Feb 27 2023 16:16 utc | 282 @ aristodemos | Feb 27 2023 16:12 utc | 295 Posted by: malenkov | Feb 27 2023 16:18 utc | 283 Bonfire Night @269 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 27 2023 16:18 utc | 284 Jo @285 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 27 2023 16:26 utc | 285 West of England Andy @287 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 27 2023 16:30 utc | 286
How to win friends and influence people by adviser Podolyak… Sure the Chinese loved that and are quaking at the thought. If I didn’t know any better I might think they are actually trying to drive China to do it on orders from foreign masters. But given so many unhelpful remarks from state representatives etc in the past, in similar sort of diplomatic matters, there is at least a 50/50 chance it wasn’t directed from above.
Playing his part of thumb in the eye of all those that already hated him well before all this (mostly for wanting to retain some sovereignty), shame HU is landlocked, if they had access to the seas he might have way more freedom to be a true pita for them. Posted by: knighthawk | Feb 27 2023 16:33 utc | 287 Bonfire Night @291 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 27 2023 16:34 utc | 288
Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 27 2023 16:30 utc | 301 Posted by: West of England Andy | Feb 27 2023 16:43 utc | 289 Indeed! What would a Russian tactical nuke strike accomplish besides universal condemnation and revulsion? Posted by: knighthawk | Feb 27 2023 17:01 utc | 290 Karlof1 this may give you an idea of what might be up behind the scenes with potential Russian economic warfare. Posted by: JohninMK | Feb 27 2023 17:10 utc | 291 Posted by: Outraged | Feb 27 2023 14:45 utc | 283
I stopped counting after 100! It’s just too depressing. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 27 2023 17:13 utc | 292 West of England Andy@304 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 27 2023 18:03 utc | 293 |
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