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February 26, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-47
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Continuing the retrospective tone of recent commentary there’s a decent piece at Sputnik here: https://sputniknews.com/20230226/donbass-a-story-of-defiance-1107797697.html
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~~~ Posted by: West of England Andy | Feb 26 2023 14:23 utc | 1 Just heard (unconfirmed) the Swiss Gov’t decided Ukrainian ‘refugees’ need to sell their cars if they want to collect welfare and free housing. Posted by: Exile | Feb 26 2023 14:24 utc | 2 I watched the recent video of the UN general Assembly meeting on the NS pipeline sabotage . Many countries supported an independent UN investigation and stressed the dire consequences if this crime were to go unpunished , it would mean undersea cables etc. might become legitimate targets in international disputes. It would set a precedent. Posted by: bartholomew cubbins | Feb 26 2023 14:26 utc | 3 Note – a decent take home wage in Ukraine was 90€/month. Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Feb 26 2023 14:36 utc | 4 Self delusion and spin is no substitute for a coherent strategy, the public has had enough and it shows: Posted by: Paul GV | Feb 26 2023 14:43 utc | 5 Those are not the Ukies being asked to sell their cars in order to collect welfare. Posted by: Exile | Feb 26 2023 14:55 utc | 6
Posted by: Down South | Feb 26 2023 15:11 utc | 7 @ Exile | Feb 26 2023 14:24 utc | 2 From John Helmer: Posted by: Maracatu | Feb 26 2023 15:11 utc | 9
https://t.me/azmilitary11/39224 Posted by: Down South | Feb 26 2023 15:14 utc | 10
https://t.me/azmilitary11/39249 Posted by: Down South | Feb 26 2023 15:16 utc | 11 Polish Media Accidentally Captures Zelensky’s Body Double On Camera Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Feb 26 2023 15:17 utc | 12
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/35086 Posted by: Down South | Feb 26 2023 15:18 utc | 13 The Russians are not advancing that much or none at all except where the Wagner forces are spearheading the attack. Posted by: young | Feb 26 2023 15:42 utc | 14 Scott Ritter, today. The best 1 hr. yet. Posted by: Elmagnostic | Feb 26 2023 15:47 utc | 15
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/35096
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/35102
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/35163 Posted by: Down South | Feb 26 2023 15:53 utc | 16 I.M.O. this increases the probability of the West devising a false flag event… Dangerous times ahead. Posted by: Aleph_Null | Feb 26 2023 16:04 utc | 17 If I were an American taxpayer I’d be furious that my tax dollars are being used to prop up a neo-Nazi regime, the amounts of cash given to Ukraine by the Washington are huge. The money could be used on a whole number of projects in the USA to help the people. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 26 2023 16:05 utc | 18 No Russia winter offensive in return for not delivering long range weapons. And of course hands off of Transnistria. Backroom Posted by: C | Feb 26 2023 16:08 utc | 19 West of england Andy no. 1 Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Feb 26 2023 16:08 utc | 20
Com’on man, was there ever a more obvious photoshop job? The figure “pops” into place and never moves. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 26 2023 16:11 utc | 21 This is pretty interesting. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 26 2023 16:19 utc | 22
Good point, except for the “tax dollars” part. Less than 50% of the US Federal Budget is tax receipts. By definition, any unbudgeted amount sent to Ukraine is added to the $31 trillion of debt that can never be repaid. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 26 2023 16:22 utc | 23
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/46115
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/35165 Posted by: Down South | Feb 26 2023 16:40 utc | 24 Republicofscotland@22 Posted by: bevin | Feb 26 2023 16:41 utc | 25 Self delusion and spin is no substitute for a coherent strategy, the public has had enough and it shows: Posted by: Cond Zero | Feb 26 2023 16:42 utc | 26 Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Feb 26 2023 16:08 utc | 20 Posted by: West of England Andy | Feb 26 2023 16:43 utc | 27 A Ukie friend had to abandon his car in order to “emigrate” to Germany. They did not allow him to even bring the car in. Posted by: Comandante | Feb 26 2023 16:43 utc | 28 Less than 50% of the US Federal Budget is tax receipts. Posted by: Exile | Feb 26 2023 16:52 utc | 29 Time to ask who wants this war. Posted by: NOMAD | Feb 26 2023 16:57 utc | 30
https://t.me/azmilitary11/39270 Posted by: Down South | Feb 26 2023 17:09 utc | 31 Die Rede von Brigadegeneral Erich Vad a.D. am 25.2.2023 in Berlin: Posted by: Andreas | Feb 26 2023 17:14 utc | 32 All russia has to do is wait for ukraine to launch an offensive then do their counter offensive. Patience they need ukriane to waste its reserves in a pathetic attempt to show their western paymasters they are good slavs and eagerly want to please. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Feb 26 2023 17:23 utc | 33 Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Feb 26 2023 17:23 utc | 33 Posted by: Down South | Feb 26 2023 17:09 utc | 31 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 26 2023 17:53 utc | 35 All russia has to do is wait for ukraine to launch an offensive then do their counter offensive… Posted by: unimperator | Feb 26 2023 17:59 utc | 36 I have a question about Transnistria. Posted by: robin | Feb 26 2023 18:05 utc | 37 Posted by: Down South | Feb 26 2023 17:09 utc | 31 Posted by: Paco | Feb 26 2023 18:12 utc | 38 Do they still have those Soviet drones used in Engels or nato provided long range toys? Or it was launched from another country? Anyway, Ukr media also said today that one of their soldiers was shot at the border with Belarus, event not confirmed yet by official sources. This is the stage “let’s make fun of Belarus, they can’t stop strikes on Minsk”. Posted by: rk | Feb 26 2023 18:23 utc | 39 Border Guards service of Belarus has denied the reports of shooting incident with Ukrainian soldiers near Volyn, RIA. Posted by: rk | Feb 26 2023 18:38 utc | 40 To all, if your government blocked Sputnik or RT then all you have to do to unblock them is to use the free & public Cloudflare DNS resolvers. Posted by: Zet | Feb 26 2023 18:41 utc | 41 Those who can’t access Sputnik or RT in the “free world”, if you use the Brave browser, it has a “open private window with TOR” option. Sometimes the window doesn’t connect to TOR in which case you can go to “settings” “privacy/security” and turn the TOR option off then on again. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Feb 26 2023 18:45 utc | 42 Robert Freeman, speaking bluntly to liberals, in the following. I have not often encountered this level of reality-orientation, over there.
https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/ukraine-and-the-tunnel-at-the-end-of-the-light Posted by: Aleph_Null | Feb 26 2023 18:54 utc | 43 Time for the European citizenry to feel the danger and turn on the genocidal supremacists and war profiteers. The Deciders (owners of the collective west) should be targeted personally, particularly their deep underground bunkers, with the high-precision missiles. Posted by: Cerena | Feb 26 2023 18:55 utc | 44 In Berlin, those Germans who actually lived during WW2 see through what Ukraine really is. Ukrainians, with the lead of the infamous Sergej Sumlenny wen’t to the tank in front of Russian embassy to take away the roses, but then they decided to bring more blue-yellow stripes. Sergej Sumlenny also is calling Germans nazis who bought roses. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 26 2023 18:57 utc | 45 One of the vassal kings (Scholz) basically saying he’s not interested in knowing and accusing who committed one of the biggest acts of economic terrorism on Germany by blowing up the Nord Stream pipelines. As in “we can have assumptions of who did it but because we’re a constitutional state we don’t assume but we need to be precise and we should be able to prove it” which of course he knows will never ever happen. He as a lawyer knows perfectly well that a judge doesn’t always need exact prove but that a significant number of very strong indications and clues can be sufficient to make a verdict. And here the whole world knows that the US empire was behind the NS bombing. Posted by: xor | Feb 26 2023 19:02 utc | 46 Withdraw and join the West against China, or Russia will be a vessel of the PRC until it too is ruined. It is not fair. It is reality. There is a price for miscalculation. Posted by: Ahole | Feb 26 2023 19:02 utc | 47 Dima on Military Summary made an interesting note on Kherson. Ukrainians are losing relatively much men and stuff in Kherson, even though there is no possibility for physical contact due to the river. The Russians are getting more coordinate tips for their artillery. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 26 2023 19:07 utc | 48 Posted by: Zet | Feb 26 2023 18:41 utc | 41 Posted by: Paco | Feb 26 2023 19:08 utc | 49 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Feb 26 2023 18:45 utc | 42 Posted by: West of England Andy | Feb 26 2023 19:12 utc | 50 “Attack on A-50 could be another fake by bullshitter Shariy. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 26 2023 19:18 utc | 51 @37 civilian trade goes on with Moldova and I doubt ukraine is blockading it in any effective way. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Feb 26 2023 19:22 utc | 52 Agreed, Andy, but I (in the UK) usually find it enables me to read RT/Sputnik and get a view from the other side of the hill. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Feb 26 2023 19:23 utc | 53 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Feb 26 2023 19:23 utc | 53 Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 26 2023 19:26 utc | 54 @54 and western media tells you things the russian media won’t. Gotta have both sides narrative and a firm grasp on history(from old textbooks) to have a decent frame of reference for current events. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Feb 26 2023 19:31 utc | 55 Eine Abschrift der Rede gestern in Berlin von Brigadegeneral Erich Vlad a.D. als PDF findet sich hier: Posted by: Andreas | Feb 26 2023 19:32 utc | 56 Posted by: NOMAD | Feb 26 2023 16:57 utc | 30 Posted by: Milos | Feb 26 2023 19:33 utc | 57 @54 and western media tells you things the russian media won’t. Gotta have both sides narrative and a firm grasp on history(from old textbooks) to have a decent frame of reference for current events. Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 26 2023 19:37 utc | 58 @Milos | Feb 26 2023 19:33 utc | 57
Ok, if are to take that at face value, what is your estimated time frame? Or put differently, when can we say it definitely didn’t happen? Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 26 2023 19:43 utc | 59 @58 western narrative propaganda is very good at splicing in bits of truth as well as emphasizing what’s troubling their owners. The information is far from useless,although it needs discernment and processing to extract the information from it. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Feb 26 2023 19:54 utc | 60
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Feb 26 2023 19:23 utc | 53 Posted by: West of England Andy | Feb 26 2023 19:56 utc | 61 Norwegian | Feb 26 2023 19:43 utc | 59 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Feb 26 2023 19:58 utc | 62 @ Posted by: NOMAD | Feb 26 2023 16:57 utc | 30 Posted by: chunga | Feb 26 2023 20:01 utc | 63 @YetAnotherAnon | Feb 26 2023 19:58 utc | 62 Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 26 2023 20:02 utc | 64 Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Feb 26 2023 19:54 utc | 60 Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 26 2023 20:02 utc | 65 yup those people putting the roses on the Berlin tank …very very touching.More protests in Berlin and at Ramstein by nato out.Reports on telegram eg intelslava z seem to indicate much more radio traffic by mercs…concluding Ukrops numbers are seriously falling in big numbers proving previous speculation .Bakmut about to be surrounded…big circle??? Anychance the ukrops building up against Transnystria can be targeted ..as well as the tanks beginning to arrive from Poland–kinda message to say not even worth sending them take them back in pieces—-surely Rus intel is monitoring their location. Posted by: Jo | Feb 26 2023 20:11 utc | 66 So now a base inside Belarus was hit and a Russian plane destroyed. Also, Saudi Arabia just donated $410 million in relief funds to Ukraine and a representative of the Kingdom met with Zelensky today. I think Saudi Arabia sees the handwriting on the wall and is trying to get on NATO’s good side before it’s too late. Posted by: bored | Feb 26 2023 20:22 utc | 67 Hmm, there are Anti-NATO protests against the war. It’s a start.
Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 26 2023 20:25 utc | 68 People tearing up EU flags in Paris and protesting weapons to Ukraine
It is a positive sign that we see an increasing trend of such protests. The ones in Germany are particularly important. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 26 2023 20:26 utc | 69 This is right up there in what disturbs me the most about this entire thing. The majority does not know right from wrong and I think it stems from the whole bit about being “exceptional”. Posted by: Aleph_Null | Feb 26 2023 20:27 utc | 70 https://rus.delfi.lv/delfi-plus/istorija-dnja/300-mlrd-kotoryh-net-es-ne-udalos-najti-rezervy-rossijskogo-cb-kotorye-hotyat-otdat-ukraine.d?id=55266930 Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Feb 26 2023 20:27 utc | 71 V. Zelenskyy is a pathetic figure : He’s a corrupt actor who was put in power to bring about peace but was quickly threatened by the banderovites and Western officials if he did so. Now, he led ‘his’ people to absolute destruction. Posted by: Fatty, Cakes’ Faker | Feb 26 2023 20:28 utc | 72 Remarkebly how much stuff there is i small notes about Moldova recently: Posted by: Paul | Feb 26 2023 20:32 utc | 73 Norwegian @ 69
France leaving NATO is not too far fetched as it was Sarkozy in 2009 that brought it back in officially. Granted it’s unlikely w/o some upheaval in French politics but if it happens anywhere it would be in France. They stormed the Bastille once they can do it again. Vive La France, liberté, égalité, fraternité. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 26 2023 20:35 utc | 74 Imo there will be an increase in pushback against more aid to Ukraine once the battles over the upcoming Republican formulated budget proposals get started. And those battles will have had a running start due to the battles over raising the debt limit, as Republicans seem to have drawn a line in the sand, and the Democrats will be under pressure to agree to some cuts to the stimulus package that was recently passed, so as to be seen as making a mature compromise in order to get the debt ceiling raised. Posted by: Babel-17 | Feb 26 2023 20:44 utc | 76 Walking on a string but on the wrong side BRICS application under consideration.
One thing to pledge until “goods” arecdelivered so wait to see what is left of UKR to receive said promise. Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 26 2023 20:45 utc | 77 Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Feb 26 2023 20:27 utc | 71 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 26 2023 20:50 utc | 78 @Commandante, §28: Posted by: John Marks | Feb 26 2023 20:55 utc | 79 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 26 2023 20:50 utc | 78 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 26 2023 21:01 utc | 80 Have not seen this article posted anywhere herein so here it is: it is a good article with maps pertaining to the potential encirclement at Bakhmut: Posted by: Taras 77 | Feb 26 2023 21:03 utc | 81 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 26 2023 20:50 utc | 78 Posted by: Blissex | Feb 26 2023 21:03 utc | 82 West of of touch with the rest of the world Posted by: Paul | Feb 26 2023 21:09 utc | 83 “Pledging aid” is a coin with two sides. Posted by: Babel-17 | Feb 26 2023 21:17 utc | 84 Have a drink on me, it works¡¡¡¡ and it took a minute. Thanks. Posted by: Zet | Feb 26 2023 21:17 utc | 85 About corruption: Posted by: Paul | Feb 26 2023 21:24 utc | 86 Usually I wouldn’t listen to what the European Council for Foreign Relations (a Soros biz) has to say but they did publish a very interesting report:
Posted by: Zet | Feb 26 2023 21:28 utc | 87 Simplicius has put up a new “urgent” Substack piece two hours ago…
I think he’s right about that. That, and the proposed attack on Transnistria clearly shows the neocons in the US want to expand the war into a full fledged NATO vs Russia affair on a level higher than the “Western mercenaries” schtick done so far.
There’s a lot more – a must read. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 26 2023 21:32 utc | 88 just a joke Posted by: Macpott | Feb 26 2023 21:41 utc | 89 RE: Post 82 Posted by: Darren | Feb 26 2023 21:41 utc | 90 Just now, while carving I happened to get a roll from a decent source into a Hoover Institution “expert” name of Steven Kotkin giving a presentation totally against Russia and acting as a stooge for the puppet regime in Kiev. He “made” point upon point which I or just about any regular poster here on MoA could easily have rebuffed. Allegedly “conservative” that Foundation (think rich oligarch) supported institution is nothing more than yet another tentacle controlled by the enemies of humanity. Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 26 2023 21:43 utc | 91 @ RSH 88
Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 26 2023 21:46 utc | 92 @Paul, §83: Posted by: John Marks | Feb 26 2023 21:48 utc | 93 The price cap on oil turned out to be effective and Saudi Arabia is nothing but a petrostate – Like, oil rents would be about 24% of its economy but 8% of Russia’s and Moscow would already suffer a deficit in its budget. Posted by: Mîrq Aël | Feb 26 2023 21:48 utc | 94
This sounds like a plausible motive for Saudi Arabia to invest that money. It’s a ‘get out of jail’ card. Posted by: futkon | Feb 26 2023 21:50 utc | 95 Tragic really. Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Feb 26 2023 21:54 utc | 96 Bored @67 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 26 2023 21:59 utc | 97 Posted by: Milos | Feb 26 2023 19:33 utc | 57 Posted by: Blissex | Feb 26 2023 22:05 utc | 98 “NATO deployed two aircraft carriers, destroyers and a nuclear submarine in the Adriatic Sea Posted by: unimperator | Feb 26 2023 22:06 utc | 99 Saudi Arabia pledging humanitarian aid won’t affect the outcome on the battlefield. It’s bandages, not bullets, toiletries, not tanks, pain killers, not planes. Posted by: MiniMo | Feb 26 2023 22:07 utc | 100 |
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