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February 23, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-45
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Transnistria is actually a huge problem for the Ukronazis, though few realize it because nobody is asking the right questions. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 23 2023 22:55 utc | 201 Back at the start of the new millennium, the BBC declined to erect a statue to Orwell in its’ reception lobby on the basis that Orwell was “far too left wing”. It’s a strange definition. His political career embraced working with the Spanish Trotskyist POUM during the Spanish Civil War, whose activities have been clearly documented as sabotaging the Republican government and acting as agent provocateurs linked to Spanish fascism. After the Second World War he wrote virulently anti-Communist fiction and invented the term Cold War. In the 1990s MI5 security service documents, released under the 30-year civil service rule, identified Orwell as an MI5 agent spying during the 1940s and up to his death on any journalist, author or writer deemed to be pro-Soviet or Communist. No wonder the BBC felt compromised about having a statue to Orwell in its reception lobby. How would those who lambast the BBC for bias have squared that circle? Posted by: zeke2u | Feb 23 2023 23:00 utc | 202 The Russian “Offensive” Posted by: Julian | Feb 23 2023 23:01 utc | 203
Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 23 2023 22:48 utc | 200 Posted by: West of England Andy | Feb 23 2023 23:02 utc | 204
The problem here is that there are literally no downsides in blowing up a train with tanks in Kharkov, and if you do that, you greatly advance the process of demilitarization and denazification.
Look at my previous post. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 23 2023 23:02 utc | 205 Posted by: sln2002 | Feb 23 2023 22:46 utc | 198
What I understood in the “live blog” is, A/ES-11/L.1 is the same draft resolution put to vote February 24, 2022. I posted the wrong board image. But, AJ’s 22 Feb 2023 tally does not add to 193. Soooo …. Posted by: sln2002 | Feb 23 2023 23:06 utc | 206 and by the way Posted by: Macpott | Feb 23 2023 23:09 utc | 207 Warehouses in the Transnistrian village of Kolbasna are the largest arsenal in Europe. They are located just 2 kilometers from the border with Ukraine. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 23 2023 23:10 utc | 208 Video on Orwell by a contemporary Iraqi Marxist Hakim Posted by: K | Feb 23 2023 23:15 utc | 209 Rybar is pretty much calling for tactical nukes of the PMR situation:
Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 23 2023 23:17 utc | 210 the russians need to change their tactics in regards to letting these Ukrainian offensives happen. THEY SEE UKRO FORCES ACCUMULATING at the transistria border? Isklander or qt the very least cruise missile them already! this is ridiculous! Posted by: Irish | Feb 23 2023 21:55 utc | 177
Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 23 2023 23:17 utc | 212 Posted by: Chris | Feb 23 2023 23:29 utc | 213 and i was a boss playing command and conquer generals okay 👌 so as a qualified armchair general; Eye know what I’m taking about! Posted by: Haassaan | Feb 23 2023 23:54 utc | 214 Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 23 2023 22:48 utc | 200 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 23 2023 23:54 utc | 215 @212 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 23 2023 23:56 utc | 216 Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 23 2023 23:17 utc | 212 Posted by: Haassaan | Feb 23 2023 23:58 utc | 217 How exactly do you propose to defend the PMR? Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 24 2023 0:02 utc | 218 Roger @171– Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 23 2023 16:51 utc | 58: Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 24 2023 0:05 utc | 220 @Haassaan 216 Scorpion | Feb 23 2023 20:51 utc | 146 Posted by: chu teh | Feb 24 2023 0:07 utc | 222 Lots of churn on TG over PRM. There’s always a lot of this when Russia sets a date over some false flag, remember Zaporizhzhia NPP and before that the dirty bomb? We will know soon enough. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 24 2023 0:07 utc | 223 People need to take a step back. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 24 2023 0:08 utc | 224 zeke2u 2 204. Posted by: dh | Feb 24 2023 0:11 utc | 225 Re: shadowbanned | Feb 24 2023 0:02 utc | 220 Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 24 2023 0:19 utc | 228
You need to take a step back, review recent and not so recent history, and wake up. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 24 2023 0:22 utc | 229 @200 shithead Posted by: safe | Feb 24 2023 0:22 utc | 230
Planes and helicopters will be seen by NATO long before they reach the Budzhak and shot down by UA AD. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 24 2023 0:25 utc | 231
But I do in fact have that direct knowledge. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 24 2023 0:28 utc | 232 From Putin’s speech on Wed. Posted by: wagelaborer | Feb 24 2023 0:31 utc | 233 Let me clear, I’m not wasting any more time on this moron troll “shadowbanned”.
So go ahead, Moldova, bring it on. See how long you last against the Russian military. Poland would last a week, I suspect Moldova will last 24 hours. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 24 2023 0:42 utc | 234 Drop a nuclear bomb on western Ukraine to scare the US into leaving Transnistria alone? Posted by: wagelaborer | Feb 24 2023 0:46 utc | 235 Question: Posted by: Don Firineach | Feb 24 2023 0:47 utc | 236 On Transnistria, I commented at Simplicius76’s that Russia ought to launch an Air-Mobile assault as it has the best equipped forces on the planet for such an operation. Yes, that creates a logistics issue resupplying the airhead as well as requiring a land offensive to relive it–a very different Market-Garden. Such an operation might spark revolt within Moldova to oust the pro-NATO pukes currently running the government. Would Romania risk intervention and war with Russia? If yes, then the missile installations in Romania would be taken out ASAP along with who knows what else. Posted by: Dingo | Feb 23 2023 19:37 utc | 122:
You should’ve put Freedom & Democracy in quotes, like “Freedom & Democracy”. Was the Empire pushing freedom & democracy in Vietnam? Or was it pushing hegemony and recruiting future vassals and slaves? Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 24 2023 1:14 utc | 238 K @ 211 Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 24 2023 1:24 utc | 239 karlof1 | Feb 24 2023 0:55 utc | 239 Posted by: Sektion2B | Feb 24 2023 1:26 utc | 240 Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 24 2023 0:55 utc | 239
So a naval infantry brigade go could in first, followed shortly by some air mobile brigades, supported by missile fire from Russian Black Sea ships and submarines, and air force flights from Crimea. 10,000 Russian troops probably would be sufficient to repel the Ukrainians and scare the Moldovans into backing down. Failing that, additional air mobile brigades could be sent in – total number of troops in Russian air mobile divisions is 45,000. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 24 2023 1:34 utc | 241 Posted by: Sektion2B | Feb 24 2023 1:26 utc | 242 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 24 2023 1:39 utc | 242 @oldhippie #241 Posted by: Don Firineach | Feb 24 2023 1:47 utc | 243 Just trying to think out loud … we know Zelensky is a drama queen and is desperate for some sort of publicity “win.” But on the other hand, if the UkroNazis have not been willing or able to make a move on Transnistria after all this time, why would they now? Posted by: Chris | Feb 24 2023 1:48 utc | 244 Chu Teh @224 Posted by: bevin | Feb 24 2023 2:00 utc | 245 I can’t help it if someone is so gullible as to believe he ever tramped or washed dishes or was a socialist. Posted by: K | Feb 24 2023 2:01 utc | 246 Re: Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 23 2023 22:07 utc | 183
It sounds like right here that you are saying the Anglo-Saxons are in fact very patient with achieving their objectives – even working on them consistently and persistently over decades. Posted by: Julian | Feb 24 2023 2:07 utc | 247 “Yes, the workings of psychohistory are quite amazing in how revolutions seem to rapidly devolve into devolutions.”–Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 23 2023 21:28 utc | 158 Posted by: deliriumtremens | Feb 24 2023 2:08 utc | 248 Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 24 2023 1:24 utc | 241 Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 24 2023 2:10 utc | 249 when NATO tweets on their official site this garbage you know they are sliding into nothingness Posted by: hankster | Feb 24 2023 2:12 utc | 250 I was looking to buy some sweatshirts online, did the google and up came zelensky brand sweats that have, so the patter goes, taken the free world by storm, he even met the king wearing one which seems to be good branding. Posted by: Oh | Feb 24 2023 2:15 utc | 251 Russia had an obligation to protect those people, but it betrayed them instead. Posted by: Longhorn | Feb 24 2023 2:18 utc | 252 @252 Posted by: Irish | Feb 24 2023 2:24 utc | 253 RE: karlof1 | Feb 24 2023 0:55 utc | 239, Richard Steven Hack | Feb 24 2023 1:34 utc | 243, Richard Steven Hack | Feb 24 2023 1:39 utc | 244 Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 24 2023 2:28 utc | 254 China’s Position on the Political Settlement of the Ukraine Crisis. Chinese Foreign Ministry released a 12-point position document on the political settlement. Posted by: Konrad | Feb 24 2023 2:30 utc | 255 Posted by: Konrad | Feb 24 2023 2:30 utc | 257 Posted by: Konrad | Feb 24 2023 2:32 utc | 256
They are indeed patient. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 24 2023 2:38 utc | 257 There was a total of 32 abstentions. Posted by: Ed | Feb 24 2023 2:38 utc | 258
That’s delusional. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 24 2023 2:39 utc | 259 Russia had an obligation to protect those people, but it betrayed them instead. Posted by: Ed | Feb 24 2023 2:41 utc | 260 @ Konrad | Feb 24 2023 2:32 utc | 258 with the link to China’s position on Ukraine…thanks
In the world of Good Cop/China and Bad Cop/Russia in our civilization war this looks like China is now being assertive about the Good Cop role…..I like to see that Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 24 2023 2:43 utc | 261
Simplicius Posted by: Sektion2B | Feb 24 2023 2:45 utc | 262 On the perennial topic of various “red lines crossed” – methinks that cancelling of the START treatie by Russia in response to NATO attacking their strategic airfields is as tough as it gets. Consider that Russia is about to field a fleet of TU-160M armed with intra-atmospheric hypersonics. Posted by: persiflo | Feb 24 2023 2:48 utc | 263 ” China’s Position on the Political Settlement of the Ukraine Crisis. Chinese Foreign Ministry released a 12-point position document on the political settlement. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Feb 24 2023 2:52 utc | 264 @260 Ed Posted by: Bob Jenkins | Feb 24 2023 2:55 utc | 265 : Not at all. Russia owns the Black Sea. See my post above. Russian naval infantry would make short work of the Moldovan army. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Feb 24 2023 2:55 utc | 266 RSH @243– Posted by: bored | Feb 23 2023 18:29 utc | 100 Posted by: TPaine | Feb 24 2023 3:01 utc | 268 ” It doesn’t really matter as it didn’t pass and the UN might as well just be called the US at this point, because it is a laughable institution and the furthest thing from a fair, measured and objective decision making body that exists on this planet. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Feb 24 2023 3:01 utc | 269 But remember how NATO bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, and nothing happened? Posted by: Drinky Crow | Feb 24 2023 3:04 utc | 270 ” shadowbanned: You really don’t understand how wars are fought? Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Feb 24 2023 3:05 utc | 271 ” Heh, the Chinese have long memories. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Feb 24 2023 3:06 utc | 272 Posted by: Bob Jenkins | Feb 24 2023 2:55 utc | 267 Posted by: Ed | Feb 24 2023 3:08 utc | 273 Actually, the UN is working just like designed. Its not a democratic institution and never had the intention to be, just by the mere fact that the ” security council ” countries control the final vote ob everything. The only way the UN could be saved is if each nation got one, equivalent vote on all matters. Posted by: Ed | Feb 24 2023 3:20 utc | 274 A televised meeting of burn eye and Rybar would liven up the bar. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 24 2023 3:31 utc | 275
RAND report on Transnistria. Posted by: Sektion2B | Feb 24 2023 3:34 utc | 276 Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 24 2023 2:59 utc | 269 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 24 2023 3:37 utc | 277 @185, that’s easy Putin, Gerasimov, Shoigu and the central bank lady owe their loyalty to the globalists and are delivering their country as per orders. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Feb 24 2023 3:41 utc | 278 @206 nobody owes anyone links to sources. You should know the background were here for ideas not book reports. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Feb 24 2023 3:48 utc | 279 @226 Steven. Russia can’t sail across the black sea, nato missles will kill every ship, fired from the Ukrainian coast. Remember the moskva? Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Feb 24 2023 3:51 utc | 280 Yeah, the rules are that trolls can just blow in, make any assertions they want, and can’t be called on any of it. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 24 2023 3:53 utc | 281 @254. I’ve suspected ukraine likes to shell kherson occasionally because they’re pro russian. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Feb 24 2023 3:53 utc | 282 @264 if the Russians were smart those would’ve been planted as ieds ready to arm in all the roads. Sadly they aren’t much for thinking ahead, like chess players. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Feb 24 2023 3:56 utc | 283 I have a question for the NAFO trolls in here… Posted by: Oldcutlas | Feb 24 2023 4:23 utc | 284 ” Heh, the Chinese have long memories. Posted by: Drinky Crow | Feb 24 2023 4:33 utc | 285 Konrad @258– Good news!
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 24 2023 4:37 utc | 287 It seems IMO a landing SW of Odessa is not viable at all. There will be anti ship missiles and mines on the coast etc. It’s what Nato is expecting and wanting. The only thing that’s really viable and long-lasting is collapsing and routing UAF in Donbass, leading to weakness in depth in the west side of Dneper and Odessa, leading to longer lasting solution for corridor with Transnistria. That seems to be the plan. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 24 2023 4:39 utc | 288 @ Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 24 2023 0:07 utc | 225 Posted by: BroncoBilly | Feb 24 2023 4:43 utc | 290 Julian #249 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 24 2023 4:46 utc | 291
Posted by: Down South | Feb 24 2023 5:01 utc | 292
Bernanke nuked it already and the shockwaves are still spreading outward. The resulting vacuum at the center means the debris will soon return to the the Eccles Building. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 24 2023 5:07 utc | 293
Posted by: Down South | Feb 24 2023 5:13 utc | 294
Posted by: Down South | Feb 24 2023 5:14 utc | 295 ” Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Feb 24 2023 3:06 utc | 275 Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Feb 24 2023 5:17 utc | 296
https://t.me/azmilitary11/38906 Posted by: Down South | Feb 24 2023 5:17 utc | 297
Große Lüge. You’re a Stalinist liar a la Goebbels. Posted by: Leuk | Feb 24 2023 5:18 utc | 298
https://t.me/azmilitary11/38911 Posted by: Down South | Feb 24 2023 5:19 utc | 299 ” I don’t disagree with you Mr. Deplorable in principle, although you conveniently sidestepped the role of the US in destroying the UN as a “democratic” international voice for humanity. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Feb 24 2023 5:29 utc | 300 |
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