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February 20, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-42
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If the US has an earthquake weapon, that has never been used before, why bother exposing it on Eastern Turkey? IThe top minds in the US aren’t going to choose Russia, China or Iran first? Let’s take the newest, most secret, most destructive, utilizing the greatest leap in weapon technology in the history of the world and drop it on watermelon farmers just to show Erdogan who is boss. This is almost an Austin Powers shark with lasers move rather than a bullet. Posted by: Turk 152 | Feb 21 2023 5:41 utc | 201 @203 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 21 2023 5:51 utc | 202 psychohistorian @178– 10 minutes to Putin’s speech (assuming it starts on time). Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 21 2023 6:18 utc | 205 Re: Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 21 2023 5:39 utc | 203 Posted by: Julian | Feb 21 2023 6:26 utc | 206
I said that society wasn’t prepared. And yes, the MIC wasn’t quite prepared either, but the bigger issue is that the SMO started without preparing society for the need for it and without properly formulating (and then following) the objectives. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 21 2023 6:26 utc | 207
It has been testing them. It doesn’t have them deployed, but it is a matter of time, and it is not as long as many are complacently thinking. The window is closing. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 21 2023 6:28 utc | 208 @Julian 210 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 21 2023 6:32 utc | 209 @shadowbanned 211 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 21 2023 6:36 utc | 210 @Melaleuca | Feb 21 2023 3:24 utc | 162
Yes, the very strange event is called a “volcanic eruption”, more here: Hunga Tonga Hunga Ha’apai volcano Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 21 2023 7:00 utc | 211 Why do you think the war started? It was precisely because of that expectation. Posted by: Haassaan | Feb 21 2023 7:16 utc | 212 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 21 2023 6:36 utc | 214 Posted by: Unnamed | Feb 21 2023 7:19 utc | 213 Turk 152 | Feb 21 2023 5:41 utc | 205 Posted by: rk | Feb 21 2023 7:26 utc | 214 Read both that and Simplicius new article ( https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-220-terminal-approach Posted by: unimperator | Feb 21 2023 7:29 utc | 215
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/34377 Posted by: Down South | Feb 21 2023 7:31 utc | 216 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 21 2023 5:39 utc | 203 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 21 2023 7:34 utc | 217 Welcome to France RT and Rumble banned, Google playstore not letying you install Tor on an Android device.. Posted by: Mina | Feb 21 2023 7:35 utc | 218 Good morning campers, well todays the day. Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 21 2023 7:35 utc | 219
Posted by: Down South | Feb 21 2023 7:47 utc | 220 I second Simplicius latest “SitRep 2/20 – Terminal Approach” here:
So much for the concern trolls bitching and moaning about Wagner’s and Prigozhin’s alleged claims.
He further connects the dots on Transnistria and Moldova and suggests:
He then suggests that Zelensky is ready to abandon Bakhmut, now that the Biden visit is over.
190 battalions is between 114,000 and 150,000 men, depending on strength. And that’s just in the Donetsk area. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 21 2023 7:53 utc | 221 Mina | Feb 21 2023 7:35 utc | 222 Posted by: rk | Feb 21 2023 7:53 utc | 222 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2023 4:12 utc | 179 Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 21 2023 7:58 utc | 223 LUGANSK, February 21. /TASS/. Ukrainian troops expect that the second front will be opened in the wake of US President Joe Biden’s visit to Kiev, Colonel of the Lugansk People’s Republic’s (LPR) People’s Militia Andrey Marochko told TASS on Tuesday. Posted by: rk | Feb 21 2023 8:00 utc | 224 Moscow’s Grand Strategy is to spark economic collapse in the USA. Economic Collapse is only way Moscow achieves its War Aims as outlined in Dec 2021. Posted by: Exile | Feb 21 2023 8:01 utc | 225
Posted by: Down South | Feb 21 2023 8:13 utc | 226 Returning yet once more to Simplicus’s article, it was indeed another possibility that the Bakhmut operation is “slowed down” in order to encourage Zelly send more troops there. Whatever troops are near Bakhmut, won’t be somewhere else, and consequentially won’t be available to defend a potential cut of supply, or even a cauldron forming from the north, or south, or both. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 21 2023 8:14 utc | 227 Reciprocity Posted by: Scuppers | Feb 21 2023 8:27 utc | 228 Moscow’s Grand Strategy is to spark economic collapse in the USA. Posted by: too scents | Feb 21 2023 8:28 utc | 229 Hello fellow barflies, Posted by: Suresh | Feb 21 2023 8:30 utc | 230 Current time in Moscow: 11:32 AM Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 21 2023 8:33 utc | 231
https://t.me/azmilitary11/38452 Posted by: Down South | Feb 21 2023 8:48 utc | 232 For me a win would be (not a win for rus or china)(a win for the people), Posted by: RealBesat | Feb 21 2023 8:57 utc | 233 Link to President Putin’s address to the Federal Assembly, live-stream, English translated(?), courtesy of ‘iEarlGrey’/RT Posted by: Andrew Celestina | Feb 21 2023 9:02 utc | 234
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/34414 Posted by: Down South | Feb 21 2023 9:02 utc | 235 @238: any company too big to fail or which comprises a de facto monopoly is too big to be unregulated. Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | Feb 21 2023 9:06 utc | 236 Live coverage with English language translation at Sputnik: https://sputniknews.com/20230221/president-vladimir-putin-delivers-annual-address-to-russian-parliament-1107648407.html Posted by: West of England Andy | Feb 21 2023 9:09 utc | 237 Posted by: Andrew Celestina | Feb 21 2023 9:02 utc | 239 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 21 2023 9:16 utc | 238 Thanks Hermit (79) and Nick (187). I was just about to question bottle’s (laughable) idea of the USA being a beacon of sanity, but you beat me to it. Posted by: joey_n | Feb 21 2023 9:25 utc | 239 ⚡ Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation (21 February 2023) Posted by: unimperator | Feb 21 2023 9:33 utc | 240 Biswapriya Purkayast #214
That is but one troubling aspect of this war. As I see it Russia is absolutely committed to attract nazis, soldiers and weapons into the web and destroy them and if giving them fuel to travel to a single narrow front and meet their destruction is the way, then I can see the method in the madness. They are also draining nazi mercenaries across the world as well as their ISIS buddies. I gather Russia finds this outcome an efficient and productive exercise. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 21 2023 9:37 utc | 241 Suresh #235
Ha ha the only extinction moment for a troll is when they finally fall asleep. You can bet they will wake soon and start their entire crapification once more. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 21 2023 9:42 utc | 242 I may have missed it, of course (easily done) but one thing is unclear to my pedestrian brain. The Outlaw Empire wants to weaken Germany by depriving it of Russian oil. So it blows up Nord Stream 2 pipelines with, thanks to Mr Hersh’s analysis, Norway’s active involvement. Posted by: Vragtes | Feb 21 2023 10:02 utc | 243 Posted by: Vragtes | Feb 21 2023 10:02 utc | 248 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 21 2023 10:08 utc | 244 From IntelSlava
Posted by: Down South | Feb 21 2023 10:38 utc | 245 So why can’t Germany just get Norwegian oil via Poland? Posted by: rk | Feb 21 2023 10:40 utc | 246 From IntelSlava
Posted by: Down South | Feb 21 2023 10:44 utc | 247 From AZGeopolitics
Posted by: Down South | Feb 21 2023 10:54 utc | 248 Posted by: Down South | Feb 21 2023 10:44 utc | 250, 252….. Posted by: Andrew Celestina | Feb 21 2023 10:57 utc | 249 So nothing major except 1) if the West sends long-range weapons, Russia will force the West further back from its borders, and 2) Russia suspends – not cancels – participation in the new START treaty. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 21 2023 10:59 utc | 250 @Richard Steven Hack | Feb 21 2023 10:59 utc | 253 Posted by: the pessimist | Feb 21 2023 11:08 utc | 251 I think we will see action on the ground before we hear any more words from VP on the SMO Posted by: the pessimist | Feb 21 2023 11:22 utc | 252 @ Turk152 205 Posted by: Giyane | Feb 21 2023 12:25 utc | 253 Thanks for the transcripts of VVP’s address, Down South. Much appreciated. I wasn’t expecting a radical declaration. The West’s Drama Queens have a monopoly on over-promising and under-delivering. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 21 2023 14:03 utc | 254 Noam @241 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2023 14:22 utc | 255
So there are roughly 2 competing theories: Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 21 2023 15:24 utc | 256 The specific article I quoted from in post #133 is The defeat of Ukraine is becoming clearer. That article also says, “President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has asked his intelligence services (MİT) to investigate what is now only a hypothesis.”
I’ve never heard of an earthquake with no epicenter. I just googled this, and https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/06/world/turkey-syria-earthquake-epicenter-maps-dg/index.html shows an epicenter for the initial quake. There’s a red dot also shown for the 7.5 magnitude aftershock, but it’s not labeled as an “epicenter”. @ aristodemos | Feb 21 2023 4:34 utc | 183 re : feminism in politics Posted by: Featherless | Feb 21 2023 16:31 utc | 258 Is the linked article anti-semitic? If not, why not? This type of question lurks in the background of any discussion of the Ukrainian power structure. How does one approach such a question reasonably, as opposed to making poorly-grounded accusations or skipping over the subject because of fear of getting dog-piled if you phrase your supposition in the wrong way? Posted by: John Schmeeckle | Feb 21 2023 17:44 utc | 259 It’s all quite obvious if you think about it. There IS an agenda and the U$$A regime has no agency. Those administrative bureaucrats simply follow orders. Top down control matrix. Posted by: Gene Poole | Feb 21 2023 17:50 utc | 260 @emersonreturn | Feb 20 2023 20:34 utc | 59 Posted by: Hermit | Feb 21 2023 21:02 utc | 261 @Featherless #263 Posted by: John Schmeeckle | Feb 21 2023 21:32 utc | 262 Governments in functioning democracies do not work that way. Posted by: Colin | Feb 21 2023 22:19 utc | 263 “One thing must be clear to everyone,” [President] Putin said. “The longer the range of the Western systems that arrive in Ukraine, the further we will be forced to push the threat away from our borders. It’s obvious.” Posted by: Elmagnostic | Feb 22 2023 0:24 utc | 264 A goddess making ads: Posted by: Jeeva | Feb 22 2023 2:31 utc | 265 Some people are suggesting the US political system needs to be changed, eliminating the 2 Senators per state, direct democracy, etc. Posted by: FrankDrakman | Feb 22 2023 3:56 utc | 266 Posted by: Unnamed | Feb 21 2023 7:19 utc | 217 — McCain unfortunately wasn’t wrong when he called Russia a “gas station masquerading as a country”. Posted by: kiwiklown | Feb 22 2023 8:56 utc | 267 |
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