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February 20, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-42
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There’s was another report that a new batch of “English or Polish” speaking mercenaries arrived in Kherson, approx. 500-1000. Seems they got some firework welcome. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 20 2023 23:15 utc | 101 @ Richard Steven Hack | Feb 20 2023 23:00 utc | 97 Posted by: John Kennard | Feb 20 2023 23:16 utc | 102 The non-USA NATO forces are largely “trigger” forces, or at best “auxilia” (not even “foederati”), in the Roman Empire sense, of the USA expeditionary forces (that often consider their “auxilia” a ballast). Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 20 2023 23:30 utc | 103 Ciaran @50 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 20 2023 23:33 utc | 104 Posted by: John Kennard | Feb 20 2023 22:56 utc | 95
So which is it, a mistake or trolling? Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 20 2023 23:40 utc | 105 Posted by: John Kennard | Feb 20 2023 22:56 utc | 95 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 20 2023 23:43 utc | 106 The most noteworthy thing about Brandon’s visit to Kiev is that he found it necessary to get Russian clearance first. Oh, the defiance. LOL Posted by: Bernard Davis | Feb 20 2023 23:48 utc | 107 Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 20 2023 23:06 utc | 99 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 20 2023 23:50 utc | 108 Posted by: John Kennard | Feb 20 2023 23:16 utc | 102 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 20 2023 23:55 utc | 109 @ Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 20 2023 23:43 utc | 106 Posted by: John Kennard | Feb 20 2023 23:57 utc | 110 @ Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 20 2023 22:40 utc | 86 Posted by: BroncoBilly | Feb 20 2023 23:59 utc | 111 shadowbanned @87 Posted by: paddy | Feb 21 2023 0:03 utc | 112 LOL…… note that the coward begged permission from Russia to make the today’s visit to kiev (just like the cowards are forced to beg Russia’s permission to conduct overflights in Syria) … and STILL slunk into the country like a thief in the night ! Posted by: Karl NoWay | Feb 21 2023 0:07 utc | 113 @ watcher | Feb 20 2023 21:19 utc | 68 Posted by: james | Feb 21 2023 0:11 utc | 114 ThusspakeZarathustra @70– Macpott | Feb 20 2023 21:04 utc | 62 Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 21 2023 0:30 utc | 116 John Kennard | Feb 20 2023 22:56 utc | 95 Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 21 2023 0:35 utc | 117 Is this image with Baerbock even real: https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1676834194945153.jpg Posted by: Ludovic | Feb 21 2023 0:36 utc | 118 RE Biden in Kiev: Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 21 2023 0:37 utc | 119 Slayer of Balloons: ring, ring, ring Posted by: C | Feb 21 2023 0:39 utc | 120 Not everyone can access twitter. But I think most at the @bar will appreciate this: Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 21 2023 0:48 utc | 121 Re : Annalena Posted by: Featherless | Feb 21 2023 0:54 utc | 122 RT reports, “Hungary identifies EU’s ‘true’ enemy: If the bloc wants to go to war, it should fight inflation, Prime Minister Viktor Orban suggested.” And we all know what entity started the war and caused the inflation; so, by extension, the EU ought to be fighting that entity–The Outlaw US Empire. Wolfgang Streeck to whose articles in NLR and elsewhere links have been provided in the past, explains why and how Germany’s political elite has subordinated itself to US geopolitical strategy. Posted by: bevin | Feb 21 2023 0:56 utc | 124 Rules for thee, but not for me: Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 21 2023 0:58 utc | 125 Light Sleeper @122– Streeck, like Shakespeare, is full of quotations; Posted by: bevin | Feb 21 2023 1:04 utc | 127 Melaleuca @126– bevin @128–
Baerbock’s 360 or summersaults or trying to flip left/right or merely another attempt at FUD? I’ll admit I roared heartily when I read this. Cancel Culture needs to cancel itself. “…Khazarian Bolshevism was very dedicated to removal of the true cultural elite and replacing them with their reign of terror…” aristodemos@104 Posted by: bevin | Feb 21 2023 1:18 utc | 130 Voltairenet.org is suggesting that recent earthquakes in Turkey were triggered by the US. The connection with Ukraine is that Turkey is quietly supporting Russia in its struggle with Ukraine.
TASS has published this article dealing with tomorrow’s speech by Putin. Excerpts:
I had thought Wang Yi would be invited, but the above suggests that was an incorrect assumption. Will a presser be held after remains a question. The event’s to occur at the Gostiny Dvor venue in Moscow, which has existed for centuries and undergone many renovations and continues what I see as the glorification of Russia theme being pursued by the Kremlin to promote patriotism. @ karlof1.. thanks for your links on this page and other pages… just finished reading the article you put up on your vk page.. thanks! Posted by: james | Feb 21 2023 1:43 utc | 133 I see mention of 325 Ukrainian personnel casualties across various locations. 14 howitzers/rocket launchers, 1 tank, 1 Su-27 among other losses. 4 ammunition depots taken out as well. Posted by: MiniMo | Feb 21 2023 1:52 utc | 134 karlof1@131 Posted by: bevin | Feb 21 2023 1:54 utc | 135 yet Ukrainian forces are still parked in the middle of the Donbass.<\i> Posted by: Chris | Feb 21 2023 2:06 utc | 136 Posted by: John Kennard | Feb 20 2023 21:05 | utc 63 Posted by: Hoarsewhlsperer | Feb 21 2023 2:08 utc | 138 The reasons for the Nazi defeat were rooted in the root cause of the Nazis’ rise to power: opposition to the state regulation of the economy advocated by the Bolsheviks. Posted by: Colin | Feb 21 2023 2:10 utc | 139 Odessa is still, arguably the single most crucial objective in this war. Posted by: Sektion2B | Feb 21 2023 2:12 utc | 140 Light Sleeper @143– Posted by: grunzt | Feb 20 2023 21:06 utc | 64 Posted by: amused | Feb 21 2023 2:25 utc | 142 Opport Knocks @65 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2023 2:25 utc | 143 I agree that it is incomprehensible that after a year Russia has been unable to stop the shelling on Donetsk City. Posted by: Anton Gorbatow | Feb 21 2023 2:42 utc | 145 @ Hoarsewhlsperer | Feb 21 2023 2:08 utc | 140 Posted by: John Kennard | Feb 21 2023 2:42 utc | 146 mjh@ 76 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2023 2:52 utc | 147 In response to Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 21 2023 2:57 utc | 148 Melaleuca | Feb 21 2023 0:58 utc | 126 Posted by: rjb1.5 | Feb 21 2023 2:59 utc | 149 A remark @all of today’s commentators: Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 21 2023 3:06 utc | 150 Amused @145 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2023 3:06 utc | 151 Sektion 2B @142 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2023 3:17 utc | 152 Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 21 2023 2:29 utc | 147 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 21 2023 3:17 utc | 153 @12, yes the loyalty of the russian elite to its own country is questionable. I mean the west started this Wagner embarrasses the russian high command meme and lo and behold the high command is strangling Wagner. Russia and Russians are so stupid, they can be tricked with the lamest ploys. Worse yet Ukrainians are dumb Russians! Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Feb 21 2023 3:18 utc | 154 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2023 2:52 utc | 151 Posted by: rjb1.5 | Feb 21 2023 3:21 utc | 155 A. Posting @151 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2023 3:21 utc | 156 Richard Steven Hack | Feb 21 2023 3:17 utc | 157 Posted by: Sektion2B | Feb 21 2023 3:24 utc | 157 metamars | Feb 21 2023 1:20 utc | 133 Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 21 2023 3:24 utc | 158 lol i saw the title of this video Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 21 2023 3:29 utc | 159 With all of Europe, the USA, and Russia facing demographic winter, none of them has enough men to raise the 2 million men armies they would need to fight and win World War III. Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Feb 21 2023 3:30 utc | 160 metamars@133 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2023 3:31 utc | 161 Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 21 2023 0:54 utc | 124 Posted by: rjb1.5 | Feb 21 2023 3:35 utc | 162 Bevin @132 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2023 3:37 utc | 163 If a technological exists that can produce earthquakes. Posted by: Dingo | Feb 21 2023 3:45 utc | 164 Fellow Barflies; Posted by: Exile | Feb 21 2023 3:45 utc | 165 Karlofi @ 131 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2023 3:47 utc | 166 Guessing what will be in Putin’s address in a few hours Feb. 21, 2023.
I have been thinking for many weeks what may have been a wink and nod between Russia and China may soon be revealed..
The Bear and the Dragon simultaneously being threatened got married for a rich future and mutual security until death do they part? Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 21 2023 3:51 utc | 167
Posted by: Down South | Feb 21 2023 3:54 utc | 168 Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Feb 21 2023 3:30 utc | 164
That’s true – but WW-3 won’t come anyway within next months because US/CAN still today don’t like such a “scenario”. Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 21 2023 3:56 utc | 169 rjb1.5 @ 166 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2023 3:56 utc | 170 Dingo @168 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2023 3:58 utc | 171 Anyway. If the Turkiye-Syria earthquake IS entirely natural, then the gods, or karma or the Entities, truly fucked up. Posted by: K | Feb 21 2023 4:07 utc | 172 Likklemore @171 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2023 4:08 utc | 173 In response to Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 21 2023 4:11 utc | 174 Pretzelattack @163 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2023 4:12 utc | 175 It _is_ hard to see how a proxy conflict fought by Ukraine alone on Ukrainian soil to bleed the RF white wouldn’t bleed Ukraine whiter. Much whiter. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 21 2023 4:15 utc | 176 rjb1.5 @ 159 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2023 4:22 utc | 177 Posted by: metamars | Feb 21 2023 1:20 utc | 133 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 21 2023 4:27 utc | 178 Featherless @123 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2023 4:34 utc | 179 Melaleuca @121 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2023 4:40 utc | 180 “Manmade earthquakes, if they actually exist, would hardly be considered strategic if they are employed indiscriminately and irresponsibly.” Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Feb 21 2023 4:53 utc | 181 YetAnotherAnon @98 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2023 4:53 utc | 182 @34 Posted by: Nick | Feb 21 2023 5:03 utc | 183 “US draws ‘red line’ for China” Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 21 2023 5:05 utc | 184 karlof1 | Feb 21 2023 2:29 utc | 147 Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 21 2023 5:05 utc | 185 Can we stop with the bullshit earthquake speculation? Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 21 2023 5:06 utc | 186 Interview, from Global Times, with Sevim Dagdelen, Chairwoman of the Left Party parliamentary group in the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the German Bundestag. Posted by: bevin | Feb 21 2023 5:09 utc | 187 India is probably regretting pulling out of the Su 57 programme. An Su 57 shot down two Ukranazi planes at 217 km: by far a world record. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 21 2023 5:10 utc | 188 Shadowbanned @ 87 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2023 5:11 utc | 189 Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 21 2023 3:51 utc | 171
Good question, but seems to be a dream of some real peacekeepers just you & me now. Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 21 2023 5:12 utc | 190 The significant points of Simplicius76’s latest [ https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-220-terminal-approach ] Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 21 2023 5:14 utc | 191 I kill thoughts Posted by: Dingo | Feb 21 2023 5:15 utc | 192 Bevin @ 81 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2023 5:18 utc | 193 Shadowbanned @80 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 21 2023 5:20 utc | 194 Richard Steven Hack@190 Posted by: bevin | Feb 21 2023 5:22 utc | 195 @jpc 10 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 21 2023 5:25 utc | 196 ff. myself @194 enclosed Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 21 2023 5:25 utc | 197 @ karlof1 | Feb 21 2023 2:29 utc | 147 // psychohistorian | Feb 21 2023 2:57 utc | 152 Posted by: james | Feb 21 2023 5:30 utc | 198 https://swprs.org/the-ukraine-war-in-2023/ Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 21 2023 5:39 utc | 199 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 21 2023 5:39 utc | 203 Posted by: Haassaan | Feb 21 2023 5:41 utc | 200 |
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