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February 10, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-35
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Detailed operational Russian-war strategy video published by Weeb Union. Recommended Posted by: Ramsey Glissadevil | Feb 10 2023 16:41 utc | 1 Big question is when the dam bursts open on several fronts at once. The Ukie army is merely a shell, with those doomed conscripts providing a disposable false-front for the remnants of veteran and mercenary effectives. The Russian army has gathered up its forces to the point where it’s no longer a comparatively simple “whack a mole” situation. From most indications it seems like the Seversk front is on the lip of bursting. Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 10 2023 16:45 utc | 2 Re: Transnistria
No. The cruise missile allegedly flew in Transnistrian airspace, not in Moldova proper. This may be a signal that Russia considers Transnistria part of Russia. Posted by: Petri Krohn | Feb 10 2023 16:45 utc | 3
Posted by: Down South | Feb 10 2023 16:50 utc | 4
Posted by: Down South | Feb 10 2023 16:52 utc | 5 I think there is one aspect to this war that has not received enough ( or any?) comment. It is the surprising effectiveness of Russian anti missile technology. Even if the numbers are exaggerated, it is remarkable to hear about every sort of projectile being knocked out of the sky. I have always thought the “Star Wars” ideas of the Reagan years were close to a hoax but now I’m not sure. Whatever the case, it looks like Russia is far in the lead. And that by itself should give the West pause. Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 10 2023 16:55 utc | 6 Bakhmut is being encircled by the Russian forces (mainly the Wagner PMC troops). Posted by: young | Feb 10 2023 17:05 utc | 7 “Switzerland rejects Spanish request to re-export Swiss-made anti-aircraft guns” Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Feb 10 2023 17:09 utc | 8 From reports on here it sounds like it won’t be long before that big Russian hammer comes down,i believe once the Ukrainian defences start to fall to pieces on a wide front it will be game over. Posted by: Englishman | Feb 10 2023 17:10 utc | 9 Ukraine Hit Today with one of the largest missile attacks in a year. 3 waves of missile’s and drones. Posted by: jgalt | Feb 10 2023 17:10 utc | 10 Zakharova’s weekly briefing notes that the 8th anniversary of the Minsk Accords is almost upon us. Her’s what Maria says about that:
There’s much more to her report on the Ukraine situation and other issues plus the Q&A. @Posted by: Eighthman Posted by: Golddiggr | Feb 10 2023 17:15 utc | 12 Re: Transnistria Posted by: jgalt | Feb 10 2023 17:15 utc | 13 @7 Posted by: Thomas Sharpe | Feb 10 2023 17:17 utc | 14 @ karlof1 | Feb 10 2023 17:15 utc | 11 Posted by: james | Feb 10 2023 17:17 utc | 15 It is easier to recover from losing a conventional war than from winning a nuclear one. Posted by: ZhukovG | Feb 10 2023 17:35 utc | 16 @2, the Ukrainian army was cracked some time ago, but 100 billion dollars and tens of thousands of soldier/mercs covered it up. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Feb 10 2023 17:37 utc | 17 LoL there is no such thing as winning a nuclear war. Posted by: Comandante | Feb 10 2023 17:38 utc | 18 Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 10 2023 17:15 utc | 11 Posted by: Oberbayer | Feb 10 2023 17:38 utc | 19 Posted by: ZhukovG | Feb 10 2023 17:35 utc | 16 Posted by: catdog | Feb 10 2023 17:44 utc | 20 @18 of course there is. Radiation dies down quick after 48 hours and stays at background cancer levels after 2 weeks. Much of it ends up in water which can be diluted. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Feb 10 2023 17:44 utc | 21 Not much talk about missile/drone strikes in MSM lately, anyone else noticed that? Posted by: Jzo | Feb 10 2023 17:47 utc | 22 “Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Feb 10 2023 17:44 utc | 21” Posted by: Comandante | Feb 10 2023 17:52 utc | 23 @14 “That’s just silly thinking.” Posted by: UBAN | Feb 10 2023 17:55 utc | 24 @23 lol OK you’ll survive but i win. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Feb 10 2023 18:00 utc | 25 Down South @ 5 Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 10 2023 18:02 utc | 26 Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 10 2023 17:15 utc | 11 Posted by: Arganthonios | Feb 10 2023 18:07 utc | 27 Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 10 2023 18:02 utc | 26 Posted by: Arganthonios | Feb 10 2023 18:14 utc | 28 Have to give it to Prigozhin, his info war has a lot of panaché. Interviewed by warGonzo’s Pegov I saw the spoiler, a couple of years to the Dniepr, year and a half to close all Donbass and if needed we go to La Manche, I have a great plan to do it he said. Posted by: Paco | Feb 10 2023 18:16 utc | 29 Yeah Arganthonios, you got that right! But that doesn’t mean they wont piss and moan the whole time. Posted by: Chevrus | Feb 10 2023 18:19 utc | 30 Does anyone know anything about whether Bakhmut is connected to any other cities via tunnels, caves, mineshifts? Posted by: GoFast | Feb 10 2023 18:21 utc | 31 Took a 400 mile round trip from Portland area to southwestern BC last week. Saw exactly 1 UKR flag sticker on the trip. Spent several days in Whistler. Saw exactly 1 smallish poster with UKR flag on shop windows. Posted by: Paul Spencer | Feb 10 2023 18:22 utc | 32 Thomas Sharpe@14- Yes, young’s is silly thinking. But there is an important grain of truth behind it. Posted by: bevin | Feb 10 2023 18:28 utc | 33 “@23 lol OK you’ll survive but i win. Posted by: Comandante | Feb 10 2023 18:28 utc | 34 The website technology.org (google “how much does a 155mm howitzer shell cost?”) quotes a deal for 10K shells for approximately 3,300 euros per shell. It’s small deal, and probably doesn’t reflect any sort of volume discount. The site mezha.media.en estimates about $2K per unit with a mix of higher end shells included. Given the above, a reasonable estimate for the cost for a barebones shell now, in the midst of very high demand is at least $1K (pre-war estimates were the barebones shell without fuses, etc was around $500). Of course shipping everything to Ukraine is also very expensive, so $2K may not be too far off for an all-in price. This would yield a cost of $12 million per day for 6,000 shell, or about $360 million per month. Considering that’s just shells, and doesn’t include barrels, maintenance, etc. on those howitzers, that’s a lot of money. Posted by: CoupLeeBob | Feb 10 2023 18:29 utc | 35 🚨 An AFU detachment attempted to break through Soledar, with around 3,000 Ukro warriors advancing towards the town. The Nazis were dealt a harsh retaliatory blow, the PMC Wagner detachment took the AFU group into the circle. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 10 2023 18:30 utc | 36 @oldhippie | Feb 10 2023 18:02 utc | 26 Posted by: the pessimist | Feb 10 2023 18:32 utc | 37 Neofeudal future @17 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 10 2023 18:33 utc | 38
Yep, and the political class will be the last to notice the shift. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 10 2023 18:34 utc | 39 “…The vast majority of us East Germans reject arms deliveries against Russia, because we are Germans and not Americans like our Western relatives…” Oberbayer@19 Posted by: bevin | Feb 10 2023 18:34 utc | 40 Neofeudal @21 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 10 2023 18:35 utc | 41 Spencer & Opport Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 10 2023 18:48 utc | 42 More censorship. Posted by: Elmagnostic | Feb 10 2023 18:55 utc | 43 @ Posted by: young | Feb 10 2023 17:05 utc | 7 Posted by: BroncoBilly | Feb 10 2023 19:05 utc | 44 re: citizens vs. politicians Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 10 2023 19:06 utc | 45 Interesting times. Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Feb 10 2023 19:13 utc | 46 The price of gold has been surprisingly resilient given the big increase in interest rates. 3 month Treasuries are paying 4.6%. Posted by: Exile | Feb 10 2023 19:19 utc | 47 Translated, abbreviated, MOD Clobber list(10.02.23) Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 10 2023 16:55 utc | 6:
The West would not pause! Period. The sanctions didn’t work, did the West pause? The battle field results were horrid, did the West pause? Food and energy related inflationary trends flew into the skies all over the West, did they pause? Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 10 2023 19:33 utc | 49 unimperator | Feb 10 2023 18:30 utc | 35 Posted by: rk | Feb 10 2023 19:35 utc | 50 via MOSCOW, February 10. /TASS/ — Posted by: MOSCOW, February 10. | Feb 10 2023 19:37 utc | 51 Russian government illegally ‘nationalized’ the assets of Rinat Akhmetov. Posted by: Marine | Feb 10 2023 19:40 utc | 52 @Oberbayer | Feb 10 2023 17:38 utc | 19: Posted by: Yogi | Feb 10 2023 19:42 utc | 53 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 10 2023 18:30 utc | 35 Posted by: anon2020 | Feb 10 2023 19:43 utc | 54 Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Feb 10 2023 19:13 utc | 45 Posted by: anon2020 | Feb 10 2023 19:53 utc | 56 @37,40 Aristodemos Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Feb 10 2023 19:53 utc | 57 @47 outrages Posted by: daniel_s | Feb 10 2023 19:54 utc | 58 via Moscow, February 10,,,, 90 % of arms to Ukraine come via Poland . One would think that the Poles by now would tire of being the ‘ Bullseye ” of conflicts in Eastern Europe. Poland currently is rebuilt, a progressive , growing Nation. Why are you tempting destruction again ? GO, TOTALLY NEUTRAL ! Posted by: leocz | Feb 10 2023 19:55 utc | 59 @Jzo, #22: Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 10 2023 19:59 utc | 60 When French, Germans and Ukrainians signed the Minsk treaty, they have no intention of implementing the treaty. A peace treaty between Ukraine and Russia may receive a similar fate. When regions of Ukraine vote in referendum they wish to join the Russian federation, the US does not recognize the referendum. What to do? Posted by: Passerby | Feb 10 2023 19:59 utc | 61 Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 10 2023 19:59 utc | 59 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 10 2023 20:07 utc | 62 @35, 49, 53 Posted by: Angry Minuteman | Feb 10 2023 20:08 utc | 63 @ daniel_s | Feb 10 2023 19:54 utc | 57 Yeah NATO has similar munitions, but no way they can mass manufacture this specialized ammo and apply it at scale like RF has. Posted by: Garry Owen | Feb 10 2023 20:21 utc | 65 Just in: Posted by: Elmagnostic | Feb 10 2023 20:21 utc | 66 # 46 4.6 return for three months, very appealing. Thanks . Posted by: Dingo | Feb 10 2023 20:21 utc | 67 Once more on cost of shells. RF is expending ten times the shells 404 fires off. RF is not spending ten billion a month on shells. The Excalibur guided round is priced at $112,800 each. I would expect the similar but better RF Krasnopol round is no more than $5000US. Krasnopol is mass produced, excalibur is not. Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 10 2023 20:22 utc | 68 @Elmagnostic | Feb 10 2023 20:21 utc | 65
I suspect they did just that. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 10 2023 20:33 utc | 69 There is evidence of more active use of RF attack aircraft, and this means the end of dug-in Ukrainian resistance in urban areas of the Donbas. The 10 story concrete apartment blocks that can withstand howitzer and tank fire will be collapsed by heavy aircraft bombs. This is how ISIS was crushed in Raqqa. An airstrike obliterated every building in which there was stiff resistance. Posted by: HH | Feb 10 2023 20:40 utc | 71 @67 Posted by: Angry Minuteman | Feb 10 2023 20:40 utc | 72 Biden will party in Poland Feb 20-22 Posted by: kupkee | Feb 10 2023 20:45 utc | 73 Translated from Intercept (Z) – TG
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Video of Russian underwater drones hitting a bridge in Odessa region. Posted by: chunga | Feb 10 2023 20:54 utc | 75 New article by Thierry Meyssan on Ukraine and corruption Posted by: bevin | Feb 10 2023 21:02 utc | 76 I think the hyperbolic reaction of Ukraine’s media supporters to the ‘disaster at Ugledar’ is a telling indicator of how badly the conflict is going for them. It reminds me of the die Deutsche Wochenschau commentary from late 44-45, grasping at any evidence that the unfolding nightmare can be reversed. If the Ukrainians were fighting as well as they and the Western media claim there would be no need to magnify the significance of a modest tactical setback and there would be plenty of other evidence available of similar Russian repulses. Where, for instance, is the footage of the 120 Russian tanks claimed destroyed on the Kherson front, or corroboration of the human wave attacks being shot down in Bakhmut? Posted by: Milites | Feb 10 2023 21:10 utc | 77 Peace is achievable without prolonged negotiations The war ends when Saudi Arabia ditches the Petrodollar. The US war machine will have no more cash to fund their wars let alone afford imported baby formula Posted by: Willow | Feb 10 2023 21:14 utc | 78 just a tricky question Posted by: Macpott | Feb 10 2023 21:20 utc | 79
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/32856 Posted by: Down South | Feb 10 2023 21:20 utc | 80 Putin responds to the Hersh article on the Nordstream pipelines. Posted by: jgalt | Feb 10 2023 21:24 utc | 81 I would like some assurances I will still be able to fly my kite. Posted by: Elmagnostic | Feb 10 2023 21:27 utc | 82 Outraged Posted by: Milites | Feb 10 2023 21:32 utc | 83 🇳🇱Netherlands will not deliver its 18 Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/32863
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/32864 Posted by: Down South | Feb 10 2023 21:33 utc | 84 Today a so-called “Aktuelle Stunde” was held in the German Bundestag, regarding the destruction of the Nordstream pipelines. It was called for by the AfD fraction on the occassion of Seymor Hersh’s article.
Now….seriously. This does it. This quote puts the final point under my alienation from Germany and the western world as a whole. Posted by: Helmuth von Moltke | Feb 10 2023 21:36 utc | 85 Now I see the beginning of the Great Balloon war of 2023. Posted by: watcher | Feb 10 2023 21:37 utc | 86
https://twitter.com/runews/status/1624086703160930307 Posted by: Down South | Feb 10 2023 21:38 utc | 87 “Biden will party in Poland Feb 20-22” Posted by: Konrad | Feb 10 2023 21:43 utc | 88 @85 watcher Posted by: Angry Minuteman | Feb 10 2023 21:43 utc | 89 War is hell. Posted by: Don Firineach | Feb 10 2023 21:43 utc | 90
Posted by: Down South | Feb 10 2023 21:45 utc | 91 reply to 83 Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 10 2023 21:47 utc | 92 @ Milites | Feb 10 2023 21:32 utc | 82
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Posted by: Down South | Feb 10 2023 21:49 utc | 94 The non-verbal propaganda is insidious. Just watched a little bit of AC Milan vs Torino in the Italian Serie A football league and for a few minutes I was wondering what on earth Milan had done to their kit, it was a hideously dull shade of green. Then the penny dropped, it was what I can only describe as ‘Zelensky T-shirt’ green. Posted by: West of England Andy | Feb 10 2023 21:52 utc | 95 @Oriental Voice, §48: Posted by: John Marks | Feb 10 2023 21:56 utc | 96 Richard Medhurst interviews Pepe Escobar on his live stream. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 10 2023 21:57 utc | 97 Richard Medhurst interviews Pepe Escobar on his live stream. Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Feb 10 2023 21:58 utc | 98 @Down South | Feb 10 2023 21:38 utc | 86
If you take too much cocaine, your nose will fade away. Ze is far gone down that path. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 10 2023 21:58 utc | 99 @Leocz, §58: Posted by: John Marks | Feb 10 2023 22:02 utc | 100 |
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