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February 6, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-32
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Telegram says Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 6 2023 12:53 utc | 1 Is the US about to make another quick exit like Afghanistan and Vietnam? Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Feb 6 2023 13:06 utc | 2 Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Feb 6 2023 13:06 utc | 2 Posted by: laguerre | Feb 6 2023 13:23 utc | 3 US Industrial War production capacity is a complete joke and the MIC Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Feb 6 2023 13:35 utc | 4 @ SwissArmyMan | Feb 6 2023 13:06 utc | 2 Posted by: chunga | Feb 6 2023 13:37 utc | 5 Posted by: laguerre | Feb 6 2023 13:23 utc | 3 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 6 2023 13:38 utc | 6 Nato needs enough weapons on hand to fight Russia and China + keep control at home + piss around in countless countries. They can’t keep handing everything over, once production is in full steam things might change. They are still sending over 100 tanks, the supplies and fuel for a force that large is no joke. The can’t park hundreds of tanks in Ukraine, they are being sent in as needed. Posted by: OohCanada | Feb 6 2023 13:45 utc | 7 OohCanada@7….any odds on which gets blown first, the engines, or turrets. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 6 2023 13:49 utc | 8 This leads to the old joke: Posted by: BroncoBilly | Feb 6 2023 13:50 utc | 9 Looks like Polish PM Morawieczki is attempting to go for a “Polish protectorate” in western Ukraine. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 6 2023 14:00 utc | 10 I think this is probably why we are at this point with Russia and eventually China. Trying to leave the USD is bad for your health. Posted by: jgalt | Feb 6 2023 14:03 utc | 11 nato crews…. the needed level of ‘competence’ is expensive, usa is the only military that can afford gas and spare parts to attempt to do “training”. Posted by: paddy | Feb 6 2023 14:10 utc | 12 Posted by: laguerre | Feb 6 2023 13:23 utc | 3 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 6 2023 14:15 utc | 13 According to Warnews, the is a wide-scale Russian offensive taking place in the northern area — southward toward Kupyansk and westward from Kreminna toward Siversk. Don’t see anyone else reporting it though. Tried to post a link, but post didn’t take. Headline was: “Russian wide-scale offensive from Kupyansk to Seversk.” They do have a cool video of the BMP Terminator in action. Posted by: KellenCramer | Feb 6 2023 14:48 utc | 14 Trying to leave the USD is bad for your health. Posted by: Fred777 | Feb 6 2023 14:54 utc | 15 According to Warnews, the is a wide-scale Russian offensive taking place in the northern area — southward toward Kupyansk and westward from Kreminna toward Siversk. Don’t see anyone else reporting it though. Tried to post a link, but post didn’t take. Headline was: “Russian wide-scale offensive from Kupyansk to Seversk.” They do have a cool video of the BMP Terminator in action. Posted by: jgalt | Feb 6 2023 14:56 utc | 16 Like many in the world I am waiting for the Russian hammer to drop, to deliver a Fichtean Anstoss or “check” to the depredations of the Hegemon, indeed to see it shrivel away from the conflict like a snail from salt. Posted by: DR-Montreal | Feb 6 2023 15:08 utc | 17 Is it not stupid that The Empire wants to attach Russia and China in the same time? Posted by: Meternich | Feb 6 2023 15:08 utc | 18 Meternich | Feb 6 2023 15:08 utc | 18 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 6 2023 15:16 utc | 19 Looks like Polish PM Morawieczki is attempting to go for a “Polish protectorate” in western Ukraine. Posted by: jgalt | Feb 6 2023 15:18 utc | 20
https://t.me/azmilitary11/36398 Posted by: Down South | Feb 6 2023 15:31 utc | 22
Posted by: Down South | Feb 6 2023 15:34 utc | 23 Meternich – 18 Posted by: Clueless Joe | Feb 6 2023 15:37 utc | 24
https://t.me/azmilitary11/36406 Posted by: Down South | Feb 6 2023 15:40 utc | 25 As predicted Poland comes from behind former territories. Posted by: mo3.1 | Feb 6 2023 15:42 utc | 26
Posted by: Down South | Feb 6 2023 15:43 utc | 27 jgalt | Feb 6 2023 15:18 utc | 20 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 6 2023 15:46 utc | 29 mo3.1 | Feb 6 2023 15:42 utc | 26 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 6 2023 15:50 utc | 30 Catilina | Feb 6 2023 15:20 utc | 21 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 6 2023 15:56 utc | 31 As the zero line in Ukraine freezes for the second time this winter, it appears the Russians are pushing at multiple places along the battle ground. This prevents the AFU from sending a massive number of reserve troops to any one location. Posted by: young | Feb 6 2023 16:05 utc | 32 So we have another Tu-141, this time clearly on its way to Moscow, and we know what it was armed with — an anti-personnel OFAB 100-120 bomb full of flechettes. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 6 2023 16:11 utc | 33 if the Russians stand by the entire premise of the SMO. Posted by: rk | Feb 6 2023 16:15 utc | 34 Looks like Russia will have a lot to show for the one year anniversary of the special operation. I do feel very sorry for Blackrock and other corporations who have bribed Zelensky for post-war contracts as they’ll never be able to cash in on them. Posted by: gottlieb | Feb 6 2023 16:23 utc | 35 As far as western Ukraine with Poland is concerned, everything depends whether Poland will nurture the Ukrainian nazi factions in that area, as in fund and arm them. Most likely they will. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 6 2023 16:33 utc | 36 Slavyangrad Telegram Channel Reports…. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Feb 6 2023 16:57 utc | 37 History is a good guide, but not necessarily the last word. From 1943 on, the Red Army had a distinct manner of launching offensive actions. In the overview history books these look like big arrow, deep operations (and they were) but on the ground those offensives generally started with rippling offensives across the whole front. Sometimes geographically sequential, sometimes less “organized”. The Wehrmacht was pretty well knowledgeable about the first line Red Army units but much less knowledgeable about offensive reserves. The Red Army would start the rippling offensives and force the Wehrmacht to move defensive reserves around to counter threats or failing lines. It would also have to guess where the main thrust of the Soviets was coming from. Sometimes this thrust was planned, sometimes it was opportunistic. Posted by: Lex | Feb 6 2023 17:17 utc | 38 Read on TG: apparently UAF is reinforcing Ivanovske with one reinforced battalion from Kramatorsk attempting to prevent a breakthrough SW/W of Ivanovske. Which would also cut Ivanovske itself from Chasov yar. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 6 2023 17:18 utc | 39 rk | Feb 6 2023 16:15 utc | 34 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 6 2023 17:44 utc | 40 The recent casualty estimates from Western sources in last few days I believe are nonsensical…. Ukrainian operational security is non existent..so an accurate formula for statistical analysis of social media uploads can give a true picture… coupled with ongoing literal kidnapped civilians on the streets and creative mobilization subpoenas…. foreign embassies collecting data on Ukrainian men within their borders and now registration of 16 year olds. These are are clear indications that the true casualty rates are staggering. German volkssturm ages at the End was 16-60 as a reference point. Most military tactics where gleamed from lessons learned after previous wars…but the new weapons systems usually make those tactics obsolete. Mass drilled formations with smoothbore muskets with very short range was blown away with rifled muskets…mass bayonet charges into belt fed water cooled machine guns made men go underground….tanks drove over the holes and trenches…blah blah blah….measures and countermeasures. This current use of drones tied into fire control at all levels has brought about hybrid operational tactics that are incremental but thoroughly effective. Single Ukrainian soldiers are being targeted by company support weapons…mortars and automatic grenade launchers….platoons are hit with TOS and mixed GRAD HE rockets. There is no way to survive that…hence the whole average lifespan of 4 hours for Ukrainian forces currently in Bahkmut. There is widespread information about drugs being issued to Frontline Ukrainian units…a type of methamphetamine…this has to be a factor contributing to the massive losses surely. A sort of double rum ration before troops go over the top. It is apperent by now that all the armour pouring into Europe…. Abrams in last few days into Riga and 60 Bradley’s just leaving docks…on top of all the other equipment over the last few months are not donations but U.S Army formations building up for operations against Russia. I find it surprising they are not painted woodland temperate camouflage while being serviced for deployment at base depot. Seems to be some measure of great haste or they are expecting to swing south Posted by: Joe | Feb 6 2023 17:55 utc | 41 Denmark which denuded itself of its military hardware and sent it to be destroyed in Ukraine is facing its biggest protests in decades, “Thousands of Danes Revolt Against Removal Of Christian Holiday To Subsidize War Spending”:
IMO, the donated war material ought to count toward the 2% levy as it is a NATO war. New tech, “New ‘Chameleon’ Camouflage Kit Being Developed in Russia, Says Body Armor Manufacturer”, promises to be very important if it works as proposed. Posted by: DR-Montreal | Feb 6 2023 15:08 utc | 17 Posted by: xLemming | Feb 6 2023 18:26 utc | 44
https://t.me/azmilitary11/36415 Posted by: Down South | Feb 6 2023 18:27 utc | 45
https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1622660027277352961 Posted by: Down South | Feb 6 2023 18:31 utc | 46
There is a real question here regarding where all the Ukrainian men are. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 6 2023 18:36 utc | 47
There is really no going back for Finland. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 6 2023 18:40 utc | 48
There used to be lots of healthy young Ukrainian singles and couples on the news here in Canada, thanking the government and expressing concern for their siblings and parents back home. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 6 2023 18:47 utc | 49
It is probably not acceptable for the Russians not to have Transcarpathia. Presumably they would gladly hand the Hungarian portion of it to Hungary, but that is actually just the western strip of Transcarpathia, the rest is not Hungarians. It isn’t Ukrainian either — it is inhabited by Rusyns, a separate Slavic ethnicity, who tend to be pro-Russian. Which is why if you look at those famous electoral maps, you will notice that Transcarpathia clusters with places like Dnepropetrovsk, not with hardcore Banderaland. It is also why they are sent to the front in such numbers — ethnic cleansing through combat. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 6 2023 18:49 utc | 50 Given the Bradley is only 14cm shorter than the M3, I’m wondering how long it will be before it’s given the nickname, ‘coffin for seven brothers’, (assuming four dismounts). Posted by: Milites | Feb 6 2023 18:51 utc | 51 On Ukr casualties, according to Colonel MacGregor, at a meeting of Zaluzhny with Millie, Zaluzhny told Millie that the irretrievable losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the time of the meeting were 257,000 people (killed, missing, captured) (source: supressa.ru). If Millie was the source of that information, those numbers are as good as gold. Zaluzhny would not lie to Millie. Posted by: Kellen Cramer | Feb 6 2023 19:03 utc | 52 Crooke’s SCF essay is out, “Russia’s Strategic Aims – In Consequence to a Collapsing U.S. Empire”:
The bolded text I’ve argued for going back to Russia’s 2015 intervention in Syria. The following passage is key:
Contrast Putin’s support level of over 80% to that of Biden’s where now a majority of D-party people want him out and malgovernence is cited by Gallup as the #1 bipartisan problem facing US citizens, and that’s just one small aspect. Crooke doesn’t address the collapse of the Outlaw US Empire as much as he tells his readers that the EU is toast: There are reports of Ukrainian troops using chemical weapons at Soledar and Artemovsk. A Russian investigative committee is looking into the claim. Some Russian soldiers experienced nausea, vomiting, severe dizziness (supressa.ru). Posted by: Kellen Cramer | Feb 6 2023 19:18 utc | 54 Catilina | Feb 6 2023 15:20 utc | 21 Posted by: bottle | Feb 6 2023 19:19 utc | 55 Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 6 2023 19:11 utc | 53 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 6 2023 19:22 utc | 56 Per the post above (#53 presently) with the link as follows that concludes: Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 6 2023 19:25 utc | 57 “If the balloon hadn’t existed, the US would have had to invent it” Posted by: mo3.1 | Feb 6 2023 19:32 utc | 58 The EU and the UK as well are toast I reckon is the conclusion of a fly on the wall with a sane mind. Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 6 2023 19:33 utc | 59 Budanov, the new minister of defense, is considered here to be more competent. But what does that mean? He recently confessed in an interview with a Ukrainian paper that the negotiations in Istanbul (end of March) were just to gain time. They wanted Russia to withdraw from the east of Kiyiv (Bucha) and so it did as a gesture. “To gain time” we have heard that now over and over from Merkel, from Hollande, from Poroshenko. With such an extremist minister and such Western partners the Russians see that negotiations do not have any sense. The only thing is to fight until what remains surrenders unconditionnally. Just like Japan did on the ship Missouri on 2 Sept. 1945 Posted by: Teraspol | Feb 6 2023 19:38 utc | 60 @unimperator, §6 Posted by: John Marks | Feb 6 2023 19:40 utc | 61 I have already seen mentions of it here before, but I think that Erwan Castel’s TG channel and blog don’t really get enough attention, possibly because they’re in French. Posted by: Verdant | Feb 6 2023 19:42 utc | 62
This is actually at least the fourth or fifth time it has happened. Three of them in Bakhmut, one in Ugledar (very recent) and one on the Zaporozhye front way back in the summer. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 6 2023 19:45 utc | 63 @jgalt, §20: Posted by: John Marks | Feb 6 2023 19:48 utc | 64 @61 “I thought countries like Czecho, Slovakia, Rumania, etc., had more sense.” Posted by: dh | Feb 6 2023 19:50 utc | 65 @mo3.1, §26: Posted by: John Marks | Feb 6 2023 19:55 utc | 66 Posted by: Kellen Cramer | Feb 6 2023 19:03 utc | Posted by: Joe | Feb 6 2023 20:01 utc | 67 As reported at The Saker’s, “Ukrainian refugees are becoming a burden to the Baltic states”, this bit of info I found curious to say the least: @shadowbanned, §50: Posted by: John Marks | Feb 6 2023 20:13 utc | 69 @Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 6 2023 18:36 utc | 47 RK (34): Russia and the U.S. aren’t currently fighting in Syria. But after Ukraine falls, watch out. Already, Syria and Russia and Turkey are in talks to end the conflict from their end. The U.S. will then be isolated in Syria and the Russians will pour their battle-hardened military into Syria and the U.S. will be defenseless. I don’t see U.S. troops remaining in Syria past 2025–at the latest. Posted by: FHTEX | Feb 6 2023 20:16 utc | 71 If one considers all the funds and energy “invested” poorly by the leaders no longer vested in my humble opinion to shoot down a balloon harmless versus the funds it would take to help refugees fleeing a conflict not of their choice, then you must be able to understand the absurdity of current times and then accordingly must realize – this cannot last. Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 6 2023 20:22 utc | 72 Military Summary had some additional info on Bakhmut. It’s quite logical that UAF can’t simply pack up and leave. They are rotating the better trained forces in Bakhmut out and newly conscripted terrodefense inside Bakhmut. Also, UAF soldiers have posted videos online of assembling and using chemical weapons near Bakhmut. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 6 2023 20:23 utc | 73 @karlof1, §53 Posted by: John Marks | Feb 6 2023 20:27 utc | 74 Slavyangrad Telegram Channel comments on WarTears estimate of Ukie losses… Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Feb 6 2023 20:29 utc | 75 @Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 6 2023 20:09 utc | 68 In response to Dr. George W Oprisko Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 6 2023 20:36 utc | 77 Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 6 2023 20:09 utc | 68 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 6 2023 20:39 utc | 78 Seems like the mass recruitment is simply to hold the line while the West prepares the much vaunted blitzkrieg. Posted by: Johnycomelately | Feb 6 2023 20:40 utc | 79 In response to #79 above….maybe not for long but whatever… Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 6 2023 20:49 utc | 80 Richard Medhurst is interviewing Scott Ritter live as I type this at 12:50PM Pacific Standard Time on his Youtube channel. Tune in or watch it later after it ends. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 6 2023 20:51 utc | 81 Ukraine brings Poland to utter ruin 18% Posted by: mo3.1 | Feb 6 2023 20:52 utc | 82 The Saker updates how people can contact him once the blog shuts down. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 6 2023 20:55 utc | 83 @Posted by: Johnycomelately | Feb 6 2023 20:40 utc | 79 @ John Marks Posted by: malenkov | Feb 6 2023 21:05 utc | 85 Why not I think to myself, but I will tell you this. That video presently “unavailable” I watched it when it was available, and a friend of mine he saved it and I’m sure I could find it again because it was most impressive. But I think it ought be available, and so I reckon I will wait to watch it again, but it is out there and it is known and really…..Odessa, Odesa, the place of it, on the Black Sea, a serious place where serious things occur, it beckons for better times. Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 6 2023 21:09 utc | 86 Joe | Feb 6 2023 20:01 utc | 67 Posted by: Kellen Cramer | Feb 6 2023 21:12 utc | 87 Chechnya leader Ramzan Kadyrov: Posted by: mo3.1 | Feb 6 2023 21:14 utc | 88 There are reports on telegram channels…I cannot translate them to verify…but women will start to called up next mobilization…there was reports of 50,000 women already at the front…even if employed as medics…that is a dangerous occupation because artillery is non discriminatory. Here again adding to the narrative that the situation on ground is desperate and I suspect NATO will slowly adjust the casualty figures to justify intervention with all that propositioned equipment Posted by: Joe | Feb 6 2023 21:26 utc | 90 Roger @76– Posted by: Roger | Feb 6 2023 20:55 utc | 84 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 6 2023 21:30 utc | 92 Journalist: “Who will man all those tanks” Posted by: hankster | Feb 6 2023 21:32 utc | 93 Medhurst is closing out his interview with Ritter as I type this. But he’s continuing his usual live broadcast, so it may be a couple hours before it’s available for download. He’s talking about the EU ban on Russian oil currently. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 6 2023 21:35 utc | 94 The USA cannot fight a one-front war on another continent, Eurasia, much less a two-front war on the same continent, Eurasia, or on any combination of other continents. China and Portugal reside on the same continent. India, Iran, and Russia also reside on that continent. The USA is an island nation. What keeps others out — Oceans — keeps us in. Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Feb 6 2023 21:41 utc | 95 >I>Journalist: “Who will man all those tanks” Posted by: CM of Berlin | Feb 6 2023 21:48 utc | 96 Turkish media have published Israeli Mossad Intel data about the UAF number of KIA and the loss of material Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Feb 6 2023 21:50 utc | 97 According to Brian at “the new atlas”, Germany is sending 12 Leo 2 and 88 leo 1 tanks. It is no coincidence that this is in our face NAZI numbers: Posted by: Krollchem | Feb 6 2023 22:09 utc | 98 @Roger, §76: Posted by: John Marks | Feb 6 2023 22:14 utc | 100 |
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