Dingo @200
I also much appreciate the detailed sitrep posts from Down South, and also from Outraged. I am liking Outraged lately more because he/she adds factual comments about changes in things (rates of action) and the character of RF MoD press releases. Helpful.

Posted by: Wisco | Feb 6 2023 4:17 utc | 203

@ Wisco | Feb 6 2023 3:59 utc | 199
i hadn’t picked up on that, as it is not a name i have picked up here at moa.. thanks though… you are right..

Posted by: james | Feb 6 2023 4:28 utc | 205

those global standards of justice have been stomped on for many years… but yeah – all of a sudden they are going to be served, lolol… that is like saying the usa is negotiation capable… forget it..

Posted by: james | Feb 6 2023 4:32 utc | 207

Remember the Azov nazis captured in Mariupol?
Putin took great care not to kill them so they can be put on trial we were told.
Well, as you certainly know, there won’t be any trial as Putin freed them all.
Next thing I saw was some of these freed Azov nazis going to Israel to dance and celebrate with rabbis…
So, sure, it is certain Putin is not going to harm Zelensky in any way, he is a servant of Zion just like his western counterparts and all that happens in Ukraine is a sick and twisted charade. (In Syria too Putin primarily serves Israel btw)
Once the culling of Ukies is deemed satisfactory enough, they’ll implement peace. Russia will keep a part of Ukraine, the rest will become Khazaria all but in name with massive influx of jewish migrants from Israel and the US and free reconstruction money handed out by the West…
Don’t call me names, it’s against this board’s rules. 😉

Posted by: Mushroom | Feb 6 2023 4:45 utc | 209

naftali bennett is a fascist…. for a fascist to be shocked putin wouldn’t just murder zelensky is typical… one is known by the friends they keep.. no need for name calling here..

Posted by: james | Feb 6 2023 4:50 utc | 211

Posted by: Moon_beam_destroyer | Feb 6 2023 4:29 utc | 207
Share links.
I have to admit if I was in grade school surfing YouTube I could see how one might think this.

Posted by: JMW | Feb 6 2023 5:01 utc | 213

Posted by: Moon_beam_destroyer | Feb 6 2023 4:29 utc | 207
LOL. Where are you finding these “most reports”? The Onion or The Babylon Bee?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 6 2023 5:04 utc | 215

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 6 2023 5:04 utc | 216
Gotta be the Babylon Bee as The Onion bases their satire in reality, which makes it kind of funny.

Posted by: Haassaan | Feb 6 2023 5:08 utc | 217

LGB@180
Senator Paul Wellstone of Minnesota…the biggest roadblock for Baby Bush’s invasion plans II against Iraq.
Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 6 2023 3:24 utc | 191
Killed him the same way they killed Walter Reuther.

Posted by: Drinky Crow | Feb 6 2023 5:11 utc | 219

Killed him the same way they killed Walter Reuther.
Posted by: Drinky Crow | Feb 6 2023 5:11 utc | 220
Yep. Or Dag Hammarskjöld.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2002/10/well-o29.html

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 6 2023 5:26 utc | 221

For anyone interested or unaware of Senator Paul Wellstone, it was well discussed at the Billmon blog, the commentariat of which later moved to form the original group of barflies at MoA.
http://www.oilempire.us/wellstone.html
And then there’s JFK Jr. Seems to happen more often to Democrats, for whatever reason.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 6 2023 5:29 utc | 223

Wisco,
Since we’re on the subject now, could you give us some links re: Forrestal? What would the reasons have been to off him at the particular stage of his (post?) career he was in at the time he was found on a rooftop?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 6 2023 5:35 utc | 225

Sorry if this has been posted and discussed already (couldn’t find it scrolling through the thread):
Evidence(?) of Western sabotage of Ukrainian Russian peace negotiations in March 2022:
Former Israeli PM Bennett Says US ‘Blocked’ His Attempts in March 2022 at a Russia-Ukraine Peace Deal. In an interview that Bennett posted to his youtube channel, the former Israeli PM ssaid NATO “decided that it is necessary to continue to smash Putin, and not to negotiate… They broke off the negotiations, and then it seemed to me that they were wrong.”
video:
https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1622226750297051137?s=20&t=vvuc4XV9EU12-3oMzf0aKQ
article here:
https://news.antiwar.com/2023/02/05/former-israeli-pm-bennett-says-us-blocked-his-attempts-at-a-russia-ukraine-peace-deal/?fbclid=IwAR1ptPmJkyPBMCMu5PefpmfullF2r-23F6aD_ZkW3LakUIOxU5SFlh1NtBw
bloody hell.
what fucking horrible people.
a whole year of war.
so many dead and maimed.
so much destruction.
one big huge massive transfer of wealth.

Posted by: Irish | Feb 6 2023 5:47 utc | 227

Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 6 2023 4:16 utc | 203
“And yet I get called a “concern troll” every time I point out that there are real and serious doubts about the true loyalties of the people in the Kremlin in all this. I didn’t make that up, that is a widespread fear in Russia. That the country will be once again sold out. There is even a special word for that — договорняк (dogovornyak) — which has no exact equivalent in English, but basically it refers to an under the table shady agreement at the highest level that betrays the interest of Russia. Strelkov uses it often”
And those people are concern trolls, especially Strelkov. Citing other concern trolls to support your concern trolling isn’t going to work here.
You people can’t get it through your heads that the Russian General Staff knows what it’s doing and that Russia has made very few mistakes so far in this war. I count only two: 1) failing to take out every Ukrainian AD on Day One (and that really hasn’t been that serious in hindsight), and 2) not reinforcing and pushing the Kherson bridgehead. Everything else they’ve done makes perfect sense at this point. The proof is that Ukraine is losing badly and Russian casualties are well within expected limits (if not as low as one would want of course.)
In reality, however, you concern trolls want two things: 1) Russia to do something stupid so the situation gets worse for Russia, and/or 2) Russia to do what you want so you can consider yourself a “military genius” regardless of how it turns out for Russia. Those are your real motivations.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 6 2023 5:49 utc | 229

The latest Brian Berletic video…
What’s in the Latest US Arms Package + US Provocations vs Russia & China
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt0iLMoG7XU
From the description:

41,766 views Feb 5, 2023
Russian military operations in Ukraine + US Escalation vs Russia & China continues…
– Latest US arms package for Ukraine contains fewer actual weapons to be transferred to Ukraine, and more contracts for new weapons to be built;
– Weapons like the ground-launched small diameter bomb is included in weapons yet-to-be-built and face compatibility issues with Ukraine’s existing MLRS force;
– Other equipment listed like counter battery radar sets appear to indicate large numbers of losses to Russian military operations;
– Germany’s decision to send 14 Leopard 2 tanks and 88 Leopard 1 tanks reveal a very deliberate invocation of Germany’s sordid history during WW2;
– US weapons pouring into Ukraine are types unlikely to be used in a potential war Washington Seeks to provoke with China;
– The “balloon” incident represents a deliberate stepping stone toward war put in place by US leadership;

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 6 2023 5:56 utc | 231

Re. Zelensky. I think it’s the ultimate trump card for US escalation. They might kill Zelensky through a local proxy and blame it on Russians.
However, this has been discussed before. US could invent any excuse in one hour if they want to attack Russia and could have all this time, yet they haven’t. This would be a provocation of the highest level if they get desperate enough.

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 6 2023 6:19 utc | 233

Posted by: 2shadowbanned | Feb 6 2023 5:41 utc | 228
Moron. Safe to completely ignore.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 6 2023 6:28 utc | 235

@Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 5 2023 23:47 utc | 156

Does anyone know why RT links won’t post here?

I think they do
https://www.rt.com/russia/570705-if-we-back-down-today/

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 6 2023 6:44 utc | 237

Posted by: ghiwen | Feb 6 2023 6:47 utc | 241
I’m sorry but was this a crude machine translation to English from another language?
Other Russian sites are easy to post here as I will prove with this story from Sputnik.
https://sputniknews.com/20230205/making-the-case-for-war-20-years-ago-colin-powell-lied-to-the-un-1106970009.html
So spare me your lame hall monitor lecture and don’t say anything unless you have real answers to honest technical questions.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 6 2023 6:53 utc | 239

Norwegian, you are correct my man. I swear to god I tried to post that very same link about 3X earlier today and every time the entire comment was disappeared.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 6 2023 6:55 utc | 241

@Giyane | Feb 6 2023 6:27 utc | 237

Khazaria has 2,500 years of Viking plunder, rape and murder.

The Viking age began around ~800 AD and lasted for about 300 years until ~1100. Most of the time they were busy discovering places like North America.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 6 2023 7:23 utc | 243

From the daily newspaper “Der Standard” Austria February 5, 2023, 17:53
Here are excerpts:
“War in Ukraine
Dramatic power and water failure in Odessa
Ukraine has enough energy resources to get through the winter – but in the port city, Russian continuous attacks have caused a lot of damage
“Powerships” from Turkey
He said it would take weeks to fully repair the damage caused by the attacks – assuming there were no more attacks. To convey the drama of the situation to the rest of the world, Shmyhal and Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba asked Turkey to immediately dispatch so-called “powerships” across the Black Sea – ships that effectively serve as floating power plants.
…….
In addition, Ukrainian Energy Minister German Galushchenko ordered all high-power generators available in the country to be brought to Odessa before Monday. An unprecedented relief operation that was already having an effect by late Sunday afternoon. By then, 25 generators had already arrived from the free part of Ukraine and more than half of the households had been reconnected to the power grid. Albeit only temporarily and for the maximum duration of two hours.
…….
Although, according to Energy Minister Galushchenko, the resources would actually be sufficient to supply the city permanently. The 49-year-old, who worked as a lawyer and university professor of private international law until he was appointed to his current post, had announced as recently as midweek that Ukrainian energy engineers were successfully maintaining the fight on the “energy front” despite all the challenges. According to Galushchenko, Ukraine has enough energy reserves to complete the heating season, which will last until the end of March: “To date, there are more than eleven billion cubic meters of gas in our storage facilities and about 1.2 million tons of coal in storage. These are sufficient quantities to survive and complete this very difficult heating period for our country.” (Klaus Stimeder from Odessa, Feb. 5, 2023)
Original report in German here
https://www.derstandard.at/story/2000143244999/dramatischer-strom-und-wasserausfall-in-odessa

Posted by: BonfireNight | Feb 6 2023 7:53 utc | 245

242 . tom . i posted a bit chute vid that whole post evaporated. probably everykne saw a ukrainian female journalist interview a soldier and state the average conscript life expectancy in bakhmut was 4 hours. the soldier looked stunned and asked is that the front front ? then said surely i think i bit longer than that. im guessing 4.5 hrs . but anyway same gremlims , better to dissapear than post 4 times

Posted by: hankster | Feb 6 2023 8:12 utc | 247

The EU Commission visited Kyiv and the Ukrainian government put on a good show: searches for corruption and an air alert for the TV cameras.
from
Feb 6, 2023 1:05 am
In its weekly news review, Russian television has shown a segment about the Ukrainian political week that may explain the sudden raids in Ukraine that I have already reported on. I translated the Russian contribution and I would like to point out that everything that is said in the contribution is supported by images from Ukrainian television, so I recommend watching the Russian contribution as well, which together with my translation is understandable even without knowledge of Russian .
you get European energy-saving lamps instead of the usual Ukrainian lightbulbs, personally inspected. And the results of the summit, from which Ukraine hoped at least a clear date for the country’s possible accession to the EU, were summarized not in months or years but in lightbulbs: “Let’s talk about the various aspects. Let’s talk about the energy sector, light bulbs are just one example. If we get 15 million lightbulbs in Ukraine, that would save as much electricity as a nuclear reactor.”
Selensky is disappointed, but pretends that the Ukrainians themselves are to blame for the rejection: “Not only do our partners motivate us, but also we in the country itself. And I think the spirit was more powerful at the beginning. Now I see in some cities that they are like on vacation. I consider that a weakness.”

Posted by: mo3 | Feb 6 2023 8:15 utc | 249

🇷🇺🇺🇦 The doomsdays of the “Ukrainian Bakhmut” have come: what can this lead to
The latest successes of PMC “Wagner” in the area of Artemovsk (Bakhmut), which were expected, but which Zelensky’s gang stubbornly tried to refute, transfer the battle to the next (penultimate) part of it (operational encirclement, and then destruction or flight).
The stamina of the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this area is rapidly declining, despite the fact that the command is driving to the slaughter unprepared mobilized, recruited in a hurry (in early January). The survival rate of this “replenishment” on the battlefield, according to Ukrainian sources, tends to zero (about 4 hours of real combat), which multiplies many efforts to prepare for the future spring “offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine” by zero.
But there is still no order for the final abandonment of the city (although the most combat-ready units have already been withdrawn). And this gives our army a unique chance to inflict a defeat on the enemy, which can largely determine the outcome of the upcoming battles.
The battles for Ivanovskoye (Krasnoe) and the successes in the north of Artemovsk and in the Paraskovievka area may lead to the fact that in a few days the Artemovsk grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will fall into the operational environment, which will make it impossible to organize the evacuation of units.
This means that if Wagner PMCs launch a decisive assault at this very moment, what happened recently in Soledar will be repeated here, only for the Armed Forces of Ukraine it will cost many times more losses (which are already going through the roof).
That is, everything goes here for the APU to disaster. And then the time will come for the main blow of the RF Armed Forces, which has not yet been delivered. And if this strike turns out to be successful (and which the Western military expects over the next week or two), then the Armed Forces of Ukraine can completely forget about the offensive in the spring. But let’s not get ahead of ourselves just yet. We are waiting for the liberation of Artemovsk, then Seversk, etc.

https://t.me/intelslava/44162

Posted by: Down South | Feb 6 2023 8:20 utc | 251

Understanding Sholz call for Ukraine to surrender.
https://vz.ru/world/2023/2/6/1198036.html
Translate from Russian needed so here is an extract:

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz made a number of statements designed to clarify the strangeness of Germany’s position on military assistance to Ukraine. In words, Berlin strongly supports the militarization of the Kiev regime, in reality, it decided to supply tanks only under the colossal pressure of Washington. If you carefully study both the words of the German leader and the German press, it becomes clear that Germany offers Zelensky to surrender.
Germany’s role in the Ukrainian conflict looks very ambiguous. On the one hand, not only the current government, but even Angela Merkel herself cheerfully report on support for Ukraine, which began long before February 24, 2022. On the other hand, Germany’s position on arms supplies to Kiev in Ukraine (and not only in Ukraine) is called “sabotage”.
Chancellor Olaf Scholz, in an interview with Bild on February 5, explains Germany’s position as follows: “Ina place with our allies, we are handing over to Ukraine the main battle tanks so that it can defend itself. We carefully weighed each arms shipment and coordinated it closely with our allies, primarily America. These joint actions prevent the escalation of the war.” At the same time, according to Scholz, “tanks, like new cars, cannot simply be ordered from a dealer, because the equipment is nowhere ready for export. The state needs to conclude long-term supply contracts with industry».
Germany’s caution is justified by two considerations.
First, military-political. The task of the supplies is not so much the desire to prevent the defeat of Ukraine, as the desire to prevent “escalation”, which is understood, obviously, as the transfer of hostilities to the territory of Ukraine’s allies. True, this logic looks strange. The more weapons are supplied to Ukraine, the greater the scale of hostilities, the greater the likelihood of that “escalation”. But as long as the fighting covers only the territory of Ukraine, the scheme seems to work.
Secondly, military-economic. At the end of 2021, the Bundeswehr had 285 units of Leopard 2 tanks of three modifications, and only about 180 of them were in a state of combat readiness. Meanwhile, the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Valery Zaluzhny, demanded 300 tanks from the Allies. He did not consider it necessary to explain where the order of a thousand tanks that were in the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the beginning of the SVO, and several hundred tanks that were received from Eastern European countries went.
Related topics
However, the answer to this question is probably well known in the Ministry of Defense of Russia – according to the latest reports, 7737 Ukrainian tanks and armored vehicles have already been destroyed during the SVO. It is clear that when organizing the supply of tanks in Ukraine, they count not only on Germany (we are also talking about Spain and Poland) and not only on the relatively modern Leopard 2, but also on the leopard 1 removed from service.
By the way, Scholz rejected Vladimir Putin’s words about repeating the scenario of the Great Patriotic War (“we are again threatened with German Leopard tanks”). According to Scholz, this is “nothing more than a series of abstruse historical comparisons that he uses to justify his attack on Ukraine.” But we do not believe in the coincidence that Germany is going to supply Ukraine with 14 tanks of the new and 88 of the old modification. It is common knowledge that the combination 14/88 is a Nazi slogan (coded greeting “Heil Hitler!”).

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 6 2023 8:29 utc | 253

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 6 2023 4:04 utc | 200
No problem!

Posted by: Down South | Feb 6 2023 8:33 utc | 255

But the general impression is that the German reader is told that the West cannot win in the Ukraine conflict and therefore it is better not to spend additional resources on it. Apparently, the German leadership has known for a long time that nobody particularly believes in the “victory of Ukraine”, which is why they stubbornly refused to supply tanks to Ukraine both last year and this year . Germany’s position only changed after France intervened in the process and Emmanuel Macron promised to supply “wheeled tanks” to Ukraine. Deliveries of German tanks were coordinated with similar US and UK decisions.
By the way, the transfer of a relatively small number of tanks of four different types clearly shows that the transfer itself is almost meaningless from a military point of view. It would be better for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to acquire more obsolete equipment (T-55 or its Chinese counterparts). A small number of high-tech tanks is a nightmare in terms of supply and maintenance, and the advantage can only give a tactical one. Politically everything is fine – the Allies are demonstrating unity and supporting Ukraine. If Ukraine loses, the allies are not to blame. They supported…
Therefore, the “aid” that Germany in particular, and the West in general, is giving to Ukraine is mainly needed to solve the West’s political and economic problems themselves. Increasingly, Ukraine is being made aware of the need for a peace deal on Russian terms.

Posted by: mo3 | Feb 6 2023 9:02 utc | 257

#254 Brutal. Nonetheless you try to control the earth, an endeavor that’s anti-human.To control the existence of all peoples thru exploitation and mental servitude. Someone is misreading human nature. This can’t happen. Will never happen. Not because I say so, but because it goes against nature. After all humans are part of nature. So are the low level thinking psychopaths. In that instance it’s bombs away.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 6 2023 9:08 utc | 259

(https://t.me/realdouglasmacgregor/334)🇺🇸🇺🇦☠️ Zaluzhny: 257,000 Ukrainians Fallen – I: USA lost another War
This figure the Commander-in-Chief told Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin and General Milley during his recent US visit.
🇪🇺 Let us remember the trolls (if you forgot READ HERE (https://t.me/sitreports/1523)) who denied Ursula von der Leyen’s competence when she spoke of more than 100,000 dead (or better: when she lied to us with figures that were far too low).
In my estimation (based on following the battles and actions as well as observing the mobilisation behaviour of both sides), Zaluzhny’s estimate should be also far too low. Does anybody believe that In #Ukraine, wellknown for corruption and manipulation, exact figures are available anyway?
The war will be decided by the extermination of the Ukrainian men, which Biden and his henchmen vassals tacit accept with approval and brutal knowledge of the realities.
If we look at the current battle reports, the AFU command is throwing lots of presumably poorly trained reserves into the hot spots, which are becoming victims of Russian artillery. Demilitarisation is in full swing, the announced #wunderwaffen” tanks in spring will be too late.
The #USA and their vassals have practically lost the next war. This time not against sandal wearing warriors, but against a regional power (quote Obama)!
https://t.me/sitreports/4209

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 6 2023 9:23 utc | 261

Prigozhin sticking it up to Politico, well deserved.

Hello. Apologies for the delay in sending these questions. I wanted to be sure I got them right. Please find below a list of 7 questions for Mr. Yevgeny Prigozhin:
You have gone on the record to say you don’t like oligarchs, but you’re one of the richest men in Russia right now and wield significant influence. What do you believe sets you apart from the archetypal “oligarch” figure?
Broadly, how has the war in Ukraine affected your business interests in the mining, media and hospitality industries?
It is public information that your profits from your mining operations in the Central African Republic are crucial to financing your fighters in the Wagner group. It is also public information that you are spending on the order of $100 million (USD) per month to fund the Wagner group’s operations in Ukraine. My question for you is: how much of your profits from the African mines is going towards funding the Wagner group operations in Ukraine?
In addition to the ideological motivations for the war in Ukraine, from a businessman’s standpoint, are you hoping that capturing the salt mines in Bakhmut will allow you to recover some of the money you have spent on fighters, weapons and equipment in the Ukraine operations?
The two leading opinions among researchers and Russia watchers is that you are either intending to launch a political career or you are being set up as a scapegoat in this war. Do you have any comments on either opinion? How do you view your own position at this stage of the war? Are you worried for your life, given your increased public profile on both the Ukrainian and Russian sides?
When people analyze your business empire, what do you think is often overlooked? Is there something about your long career that you would like to draw attention to?
What do you hope your legacy will be?

The answer machine translated:
“Gentlemen, all your questions are very stupid, unprofessional and offensive. Do you really think that the Bakhmut salt mines will be exploited in the near future, and the pennies that even in theory the above-mentioned businesses can bring will pay off the cost of hostilities.?
Consult with competent American specialists before you carry this nonsense. When your level of awareness allows, I will have a discussion with you. In the meantime, your questions can be called nothing more than “throwing shit on the fan.” Don’t disgrace yourself and your publication.”
https://t.me/Prigozhin_hat/2576

Posted by: Paco | Feb 6 2023 9:26 utc | 263

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 6 2023 7:42 utc | 247
It’s probably the site filter, which is unmitigated crap and never behaves the same way twice. At random times it blocks me from posting under my usual name, and I have to use another user name. Then some random time later it allows my original user name again. It’s ridiculous garbage and b should replace it with something that actually works – if such a thing exists which is problematic since most software is garbage, especially Web software.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 6 2023 9:29 utc | 265

Perhaps this is week old news, but I don’t remember seeing it discussed at the bar. Seems Ukraine related as possible sign of fracturing of NATO—firing/forced retirement of hundreds of senior pro-NATO Hungarian military officers. I cannot vouch for this source—may be pure speculation, but here it is:
https://dailynewshungary.com/hundreds-of-high-ranking-military-officers-sacked-in-hungary/

Posted by: mjh | Feb 6 2023 9:59 utc | 267

Exile | Feb 5 2023 19:55 utc | posted this:

“Ukraine is a sideshow – Moscow’s War Aims are far more comprehensive. These war aims are described in the Dec 2021 treaty proposal.”

Do you have a DIRECT LINK to the “Dec 2021 Treaty proposal”?
If so, could you please post it here? Thanks in advance.

Posted by: LongCovid | Feb 6 2023 10:07 utc | 269

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 6 2023 5:49 utc | 231
You western Kremlin loyalists are one big joke. I doubt any of you live in Russia, doubt you speak Russian, doubt you know any Russians. All you do is parrot what Marty from America and Brian from Thailand tell you. Or Gonzalo Lira who says that NATO cannot field 100k men, this is how dumb your side is and you pretend to speak for all Russians. If you watch Russian news panel shows, guests and panelists are in line with “concern trolls” constantly questioning why Russia is pussyfooting around. Алексей Журавлев is way more radical than me, hes all about hitting Washington already. You go watch 60 minut, 4 hours mon-fri and maybe you will learn what actual Russians think. If you dont have Russian TV, go to yandex. If you dont understand Russian, well thats your problem.

Posted by: experienced | Feb 6 2023 10:26 utc | 271

Wisco @192
Thanks for the input. My intent in employing “Rottenfeller”. and “Rottenchild” is by no means for comic effect. However, I can see via your caveat that that some folks, to some degree yourself, would see it in that light.
Rather than expending words stating that they happen to be psychopaths, born with silver spoons up their asses, thus totally dismissive of their “inferiors” and consequently capable of constant nefarious agendas reaching the point of eugenocidal actions without a single second-thought.
As genotypes, these crime clans, who hold tremendous, almost unimaginable levels of power over numerous nations, have become existential threats to common humanity. Therefore, “Rottenfeller” and “Rottenchild” are rather mild descriptions compared with their actual status as murderous scheming thieves.
Nothing comical about that looming reality.
I’ve found that individuals who have not done alternative research on these “transhumanists”, sadly many of them coming from liberal and even leftist backgrounds, tend to be relatively poorly informed regarding their dangerous levels of power over virtually every institution in the Western world.
In other words, they are in control and we are not. Henry David Thoreau famously remarked (some paraphrasing here as my memory glands are 78 years of age) “Why hack away at the branches (problems) while you should be grubbing out the roots”. Yes, I am a true radical and no way ideological as any form of groupthink gets in the way of analytical clarity. Our Western world is in dire need of radical surgery. As the old Russian proverb goes: “A fish rots from the top down”.
Guess who’s at the top.

Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 6 2023 10:53 utc | 273

LongCovid | Feb 6 2023 10:07 utc | 272

Do you have a DIRECT LINK to the “Dec 2021 Treaty proposal”?
If so, could you please post it here? Thanks in advance.”
This is a good analysis of the draft treaty, the Russian reasons for it, and why the measure of Russian success in the theater war is imposition of this treaty framework by force since the empire’s incorrigible aggression forced Russia to resort to force.
https://bmanalysis.substack.com/p/new-draft-treaty-for-european-security
It’s telling how many commenters here engage in free-wheeling speculation about what the final Borderland disposition might be, with zero reference to Russia’s proclaimed war goals or the minimal national security requirements stated in the draft treaty, from which the proclaimed war goals derive.
Indeed many supposedly pro-Russian commenters seem completely ignorant of Russia’s proclaimed war goals, since the denuded scenarios they usually envision fall so far short of attainment of these goals as to comprise Russian failure in the war. Yet they say they would be ok with such an outcome.
Which in turn I attribute to an underlying personal fear of the war as such, and how far it could escalate, such that in spite of their self-proclaimed support for the Russian war effort they really just want fake-peace at any price. That’s why so many cheered for the fake negotiations last spring and hoped Putin would fall for the the same old scam. That’s why I started calling them crypto-pacifists.
(Thank God the empire got over-confident, decided it could bring about an outright Ukrainian victory and changed its mind about a Minsk III scam, sending Boris to scotch it. This may have saved the Russians from their own political leadership.)

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 6 2023 11:00 utc | 275

Sorry
1997 Agreement
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/official_texts_25468.htm

Posted by: FZappa | Feb 6 2023 11:07 utc | 277

Posted by: Brother Ma | Feb 6 2023 10:04 utc | 271
None of which is going to happen. The Russians are heavily reinforced in southern Ukraine and have laid down miles of hard-core fortified lines. There’s no way Ukraine penetrates that no matter how many supposed troops they are allegedly hiding supplied with whatever NATO weapons.
So it’s just more concern trolling.
You are correct about the Kherson situation being an error for ten months, but not about the withdrawal as I indicated earlier in the thread. Surovikin made the decision to use those forces for other purposes and no one can know whether that was a good call – but given the fortifications laid down in southern Ukraine I think we can make a good guess. Those forces are either being used to reinforce other areas of the front to prevent any more “Kharkiv offensives” or are being reorganized in concert with the newly arrived mobilized forces for use in whatever offensives may be upcoming – which may include another offensive across the Dnieper to rectify the original mistake. We just don’t know at this point.
Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 6 2023 11:00 utc | 278
I agree completely – especially about how the so-called “peaceniks” are really scared that Russia will actually achieve its maximal goals in Ukraine and against NATO. So they project their fears onto Putin and his team, failing to give them credit for being able to see what the rest of us who are reasonably perceptive can see – that Ukraine must be brought under Russian control with Russian military bases with strategic weapons on Poland’s and Romania’s borders.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 6 2023 11:16 utc | 279

Derek Henry | Feb 5 2023 20:59 utc | posted this:

“Let’s say for talking sake, Putin stops at the borders of the new territories. Yet, 70% of Russia public opinion wanted him to go to the Dnieper and take back Odessa ? Public opinion matters and regime change might take place after all ? … It’s a very tricky balancing act deciding how this should end. Complete bonkers to suggest otherwise.”

(1) Where did you get the info about what “70% of Russia public opinion” wanted?
Give us link(s).
(2) The rest of your post, with “Let’s say for talking sake” … “might”,
AFTER ALL”[!], the question mark and “SHOULD” is your WET DREAM expressed
as a bogus doubt.
If you can’t corroborate (1) do FOFF … But on the second thought, FOFF anyway.
Pretty shallow trolling.

Posted by: LongCovid | Feb 6 2023 11:23 utc | 281

@ Drinky Crow #220
Thanks for the reminder about the exploding aircraft assassination of Walter Reuther. At the time I was staying with a friend at Venice Beach in LaLaLand. He was a student at UCLA and filled me in on relatively minor “actions”, not quite riots, at his campus because of Nixon’s bombing of Cambodia during the hottest portion of the Vietnam invasion and war on “the Yellow Man” as Bruce Springsteen famously put it in one of his powerful songs….”Born in the USA”.
Reuther had just cast his lot with the student rebellion. As the head of one of the most powerful unions in the country, the United Auto Workers, the man had a good measure of clout. Were his union, and possibly others in their train, to have become the “guts” of the anti-war movement, there in 1970, during the same time-frame as the Kent State massacre; the American police state would have been shaken to its roots.
Powerful shot-callers such as the Rottenfellers here in the $tates and the Rottenchilds in Europe, most likely informed (through minions such as Heinrich Kissinger) the CIA, that another “wet job” was needed on Reuther due to the fact that if the unions joined the students things could approach that which they most feared… things getting OUT OF CONTROL.
So the dirty deed was done.
At that time I was 29 years of age and was gradually beginning to get the big picture. The hit on Reuther immediately got me to thinking that it was committed by the same evil forces wo murdered JFK in ’63 and RFK and MLK in ’68. The most recent removal of “dangerous” high-profile “enemies of their state”, was the airplane takedown of Minnesota’s beloved Senator Paul Wellstone, a noble Jew, when he was the major Congressional roadblock to the Baby Bush scheme to do a second invasion of Iraq.
Needless to say, no such take on Reuther’s “accident” ever appeared on any “Main$cream” noose outlet during that pre-internet era. Control over the “message” was near total during those days.

Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 6 2023 11:30 utc | 283

Konrad at 198, maybe one of you should change your name to Li’sar or Delfador. Btw, you can find his/her/your past comments by searching for your name in the search option on the main page.

Posted by: Dalit | Feb 6 2023 11:47 utc | 285

Posted by: Surovikin | Feb 6 2023 11:30 utc | 286
Nope, you are wrong. All methods of resupply to Kherson were seriously compromised. A large contingent of isolated Russian forces would have been a major liability.
The Surovikin betrayed Russia thing you are trying to push is pretty lame and devoid of any logical analysis. If you’d like to make the argument that Surovikin was too conservative and should have fought it out you might have some ground to stand on.
You could argue that the troops were needed somewhere else that was more vital and immediate, although i don’t know what would have been at that time. Maybe the Ukrainian Lyman Offensive was more dangerous than it looked to me? Another weak spot in need of immediate reinforcement. But, if you can’t concede the position of the Russian Army in Kherson was precarious you simply don’t know what you are talking about.
“Apparently Himars did hit the bridge but did so little damage that the holes were just covered over and traffic continued.” Funny you chose to preface this factually incorrect statement with the word “apparently”. Apparently even you know you are full of shit.

Posted by: Haassaan | Feb 6 2023 11:55 utc | 287

Wisco @225
James Forrestal was a genuine Secretary of Defense. When I still possessed a copy of “The Forrestal Diaries” I became aware for the first time that the creation of the CIA, N$A and the AirFarce in 1947 during the hapless administration of the ambulatory Peter Principal, Harry Truman…was one of those eras which ruptured our republic.
He knew too much and he was eliminated because he was in position to go totally “off message”.
Just now, I came to realize that it was not only the Agency and the N$A snoopervisors, along with the bomber happy types like Lyman Lemnitzer and Curtis LeMay “Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran” that sealed that honest man’s fate. The powers behind the throne were concerned that he could be a stumbling-block for the creation of the Zionist Entity in Occupied Palestine in ’48 by means of a bought and paid for pro$titician in the “White” House and full control over the New York based United Nations by the U$$A.

Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 6 2023 12:07 utc | 289

Re: Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 5 2023 22:02 utc | 110

Therefore Russia is winning everything handily. The war will be over in six to nine months, and NATO will either be forced to accept the new reality of a Russia-controlled Ukraine with Russian military bases on Poland’s borders, or they will have to resort to WWIII – which Russia will also win, albeit with having to accept some terrible damage.

WRONG. WRONG AGAIN! Do you ever tire of being WRONG Hack?
There is no chance this war will be OVER by early August – and little chance it will be over by early November.
Not a chance.
More likely is this War will be going at least another 18-30 months.
I foresee it continuing until 2025 unless the Russians agree to a “Minsk III”.
Why would they? Who knows – but I never understood why the Russians agreed to Minsk I or Minsk II either. Neither made sense to me from a Russian perspective – but they signed onto them anyway.

Posted by: Julian | Feb 6 2023 12:18 utc | 291

@263
I like John Helmer’s reporting and I love this piece because it touches on something important in my opinion. That the war and the west’s response forced the Russian’s to a degree, to leave the oligarchic way they were running the country behind. I don’t think they would have otherwise the oligarchs in control had no reason to give up their lavish lifestyles. This could be a rejuvenation of the Russian state, allowing it to gain control of the economy again.
Just need a Xi-esque anti-corruption drive to put the oligarchs in prison – don’t think Putin is really up to that though.

Posted by: Lachlan | Feb 6 2023 12:24 utc | 293

Bonfire Night @248
“…free part of Ukraine”. Man, you should have redacted that one. There is NO freedom uder the Puppet Regime.

Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 6 2023 12:31 utc | 295

I’m not sure how accurate Ukraine reports things but the live EU map is showing a massive barrage in the south and heavy fighting in the east. Putin was looking at bullet prof vests last month and was assured everything would be in place by February.
It seems a full scale assult might be underway,

Posted by: OohCanada | Feb 6 2023 12:35 utc | 297

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Posted by: experienced | Feb 6 2023 10:26 utc | 274″
LoL “you need to watch Russian TV talk shows to know what Russians are thinking”
Thats some garbage. Thats like saying CNN and Fox watching tell us what Americans are thinking. Which is pretty naive.

Posted by: Comandante | Feb 6 2023 12:37 utc | 299