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February 4, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-29
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 5 2023 10:41 utc | 198 Posted by: JW | Feb 5 2023 11:08 utc | 201 The crimping or impressment or whatever you call the forced subjection to military service in the Ukraine literally makes me ill. I hope these videos reach a wide audience, one outside our relatively small circles. The young and middle-age men who see this cannot help to fear that this, too, could happen to them … if they’re in the West. There’s no low to which our countries may stoop. Posted by: KR | Feb 5 2023 11:31 utc | 202 Tim 168 Posted by: IAN WRIGHT | Feb 5 2023 11:56 utc | 203 KR | Feb 5 2023 11:31 utc | 205 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 5 2023 11:56 utc | 204 JW | Feb 5 2023 11:08 utc | 204 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 5 2023 12:01 utc | 205 Derek 180 Posted by: IAN WRIGHT | Feb 5 2023 12:08 utc | 206 Posted by: IAN WRIGHT | Feb 5 2023 12:08 utc | 209 Posted by: alek_a | Feb 5 2023 12:34 utc | 207 A letter appeared on social media sent to “sponsor/host” of Ukr refugees in UK. Must provide info and current location of male refugees from Ukr aged 18+ Posted by: Exile | Feb 5 2023 12:38 utc | 208 I have noticed on Twitter a group of POGs (paid opinion groomers) promoting the “endless Christmastime for Ukraine” weapons giveaway. Posted by: John Schmeeckle | Feb 5 2023 12:46 utc | 209 @ IAN WRIGHT | Feb 5 2023 11:56 utc | 206 Posted by: too scents | Feb 5 2023 12:48 utc | 210 Derek 180 Posted by: Milites | Feb 5 2023 12:54 utc | 211 @ John Schmeeckle | Feb 5 2023 12:46 utc | 212 Posted by: JW | Feb 5 2023 13:11 utc | 212 Don’t know if this has already been discussed Posted by: ahji | Feb 5 2023 13:17 utc | 213 UK can’t provide Ukrainians with lot of tanks, so would provide them with Ukrainian lot instead 🙂 Posted by: Arioch | Feb 5 2023 13:33 utc | 214 Regarding prisoners performing tasks within the framework of the SMO. … Posted by: anon2020 | Feb 5 2023 13:41 utc | 215 re: “Military Summary thinks that a major Russion offensive will start in a few days. Does anyone have any thoughts about this?” Posted by: CommiesGOFY | Feb 5 2023 13:50 utc | 216 @Arioch | Feb 5 2023 13:33 utc | 219 Posted by: Ranelagh | Feb 5 2023 13:58 utc | 217 Ian Wright [206] Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 5 2023 13:58 utc | 218
The Zatoka bridge is a big Soviet one and they shot at it with Kalibr missiles. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 14:08 utc | 219
Who said anything about hostile populations remaining there? Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 14:09 utc | 220
The public sector has been deliberately crappified in order to justify its eventual privatization and thus maximize overall rent extraction. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 14:09 utc | 221 @ Exile | Feb 5 2023 12:38 utc | 211: Posted by: Yogi | Feb 5 2023 14:39 utc | 222
Posted by: Ranelagh | Feb 5 2023 13:58 utc | 222 Posted by: West of England Andy | Feb 5 2023 14:48 utc | 223 @ shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 14:08 utc | 224 Posted by: Yogi | Feb 5 2023 14:54 utc | 224
The big worry here is that all the usual excuses about how Putin is trying to fight a humanitarian war, or trying to manage the post-war peace (i.e. let’s try to kill as few Ukrainians as possible because each dead Ukrainian means another family that will hate us after that), or trying not to do too much destruction (because the Russia will have to pay for the rebuild), or trying to do “escalation management” fail to explain why weapon flows were not stopped. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 15:02 utc | 225 What a tedious labor. Signal, 5:2 ? Searching for the wheat amongst the chaff. Unsurprised to see only a few regular posters bother, numerous gone RS.
Wrong. Putin has little say on “when” to end on this war. It’s mostly up to US neocons, who wield 110 % influence in Ukraine. And there’s the other question, I don’t think there’s a clear definition on what constitutes state of war and what doesn’t in Ukraine and Russia. Because it’s still more like an anti-terrorist operation. There are all the time events where some Ukrainians surrender, and others who try to surrender get blown up by Azov blocking battalions and artillery. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 5 2023 15:10 utc | 227 @shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 5:19 utc | 127
So, NO, it is neither “needed” nor advisable to use nukes. “Mad dog” James N. Mattis got this right when he testified before the House Armed Services Committee on February 6, 2018:
The only reasonable conclusion is to join a serious disarmament initiative. I recommend the Los Alamos Study Group (LASG). Check out their website. The bulletin from yesterday “Nuclear Hotseat” says
Last not least, LASG have a recommendable special section Ukraine War: News & Views and a section What you can do. Posted by: OttoE | Feb 5 2023 15:25 utc | 228 re: “You need the civilians to feel pain until THEY put the pressure on the Ukro” Posted by: CommiesGOFY | Feb 5 2023 15:27 utc | 229 @CommiesGOFY | Feb 5 2023 15:27 utc | 229 Posted by: rk | Feb 5 2023 15:30 utc | 230 @ unimperator | Feb 5 2023 15:10 utc | 230 @ shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 15:02 utc | 230 Posted by: Yogi | Feb 5 2023 15:46 utc | 232 Yogi | Feb 5 2023 15:46 utc | 232 Posted by: OttoE | Feb 5 2023 15:53 utc | 233 The threat of an offensive might be as, or more, effective than a real one. The Russians are fighting a unique conflict, under unique circumstances, expecting them to act conventionally is therefore illogical. A failure to act as expected is not always due to a of a lack of capability, rather it can be an indicator that those expectations we’re based on an incorrect assessment of the situation. Posted by: Milites | Feb 5 2023 16:17 utc | 234 @ aristodemos 88 Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 5 2023 16:33 utc | 235 shadowbanned comment 221 gets it. Posted by: Derek Henry | Feb 5 2023 16:34 utc | 236 IAN WRIGHT | Feb 5 2023 7:14 utc | 153 Posted by: DoesItReallyMatter | Feb 5 2023 16:46 utc | 237 @ 233: Posted by: Yogi | Feb 5 2023 16:57 utc | 238 CoupLeeBob, Posted by: Adam Frank | Feb 5 2023 17:04 utc | 239 @Yogi | Feb 5 2023 16:57 utc | 238 Posted by: OttoE | Feb 5 2023 18:07 utc | 240 A letter appeared on social media sent to “sponsor/host” of Ukr refugees in UK. Must provide info and current location of male refugees from Ukr aged 18+ Posted by: Chris | Feb 5 2023 19:47 utc | 241 @ OttoE | Feb 5 2023 18:07 utc | 240 Posted by: Yogi | Feb 5 2023 20:01 utc | 242 @Outraged | Feb 5 2023 15:44 utc | 231 Posted by: fanto | Feb 5 2023 21:46 utc | 243
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Posted by: David Levin | Feb 5 2023 22:00 utc | 244 @ fanto | Feb 5 2023 21:46 utc | 243
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