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February 4, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-29

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

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#88 Straight up!!!!

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 5 2023 2:36 utc | 101

What’s known til today about the ‘Helicopter Crash’ near Kiew?
Interior minister plus several staff members killed on one(!) strike..?
That’s a really crazy story – is it some true? Confirmed by whome other than by MSM ..?
No further intel news about that story. I don’t believe that this story is true. Or what?

Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 5 2023 2:45 utc | 102

@102 ‘Heli-Crash’ near Kiew
They all may have moved to the Bahamas etc., with all their ‘earnings’ in pocket.
Good flight ..

Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 5 2023 2:53 utc | 103

Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 5 2023 2:22 utc | 98
Ive seen the videos, absolutely disgusting. They further solidify my position that pow exchanges should be fair 1:1 or none at all. There is absolutely no chance im giving you back fighting men who have been fed and treated well for half the number of tortured and broken men.
Russia definitely holds moral edge but this is war.

Posted by: experienced | Feb 5 2023 2:54 utc | 104

Bill Smith – that was the first phase of the SMO.

Posted by: LGB! | Feb 5 2023 3:08 utc | 105

Because RF is not yet able to protect its Donetz (esp. Donetzk city) from permant HIMARS attacks firing on civilians, the RF won’t be able to defend Crimea too, against the newly shipped 300km range HIMARS rockets ammunitiion.
RF should have a new defense strategy asap. before planning any offense OPs.

Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 5 2023 3:17 utc | 106

To Johnycomelately @ 23
What you describe as Russia’s inability, is Russia’s strategy. The West delivers the weapons to Ukraine, and Ukraine delivers them to the conflict zones for Russia to destroy. Much like a spider waits for the meat to deliver itself to to the web, the clever spider doesn’t waste energy hunting.

Posted by: Willow | Feb 5 2023 3:23 utc | 107

Around six hours or so, the Joe Rogan Experience posts a clip on YouTube that deals with the reality that Ukraine has a corruption problem that the MSM is ignoring, and it gets over four hundred thousand views. Link to the whole episode on Spotify is posted below the video there, but I’ll post it here as well for those who want a direct link to it.
Here’s the YouTube link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XDKqhq6bb0
#1936
Krystal & Saagar on The Media’s Gaslighting Over Corruption in Ukraine
420,085 views Feb 4, 2023
Taken from JRE #1936 w/Krystal Ball & Saagar Enjeti:
Here’s the Spotify link:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/27AnE2jWAwd2IBsyiSJoKy
P.S. Bonus link: The Russel Brand Show
THE TRUTH | Jimmy Dore’s Epic RANT About Ukraine War
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqUT0t1vL04

Posted by: Babel-17 | Feb 5 2023 3:50 utc | 108

The ukrop whos negotiating these exhanges is a better diplomat than Russia has in all of Kremlin. Time after time he manages to get double the Ukrainians released, makes Russia give them back Azov fighters and foreign mercs already sentenced to death. Replace Zelensky with this dude and he will negotiate Russian surrender before the snows melt.
Posted by: experienced | Feb 5 2023 1:57 utc | 90
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The Russian Federation doesn’t have the death penalty. Russian judgement of the situation will be much better than yours.

Posted by: HOBO 3 | Feb 5 2023 3:59 utc | 109

The Russian Federation doesn’t have the death penalty. Russian judgement of the situation will be much better than yours.
Posted by: HOBO 3 | Feb 5 2023 3:59 utc | 112
That’s right. It was the Donbass Republics, but was never carried out.

Posted by: LGB! | Feb 5 2023 4:04 utc | 110

Posted by: Johnycomelately | Feb 4 2023 20:03 utc | 23

The fact that Ukraine can still supply the front line while simultaneously receive massive arms supply across the border and organise a future offensive from it depth shows the nature of this conflict.
Russia’s inability to strike in depth at mobile targets is shaping this conflict ..

Watching the mobile targets of any weapon shipments having crossed the Polish or Romania border would be difficult because those are being transferred in hidden civilian ways.
Either bomb all UKR roads/rails immediately – Now! – or have it later on frontline to destroy them. Either – or.

Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 5 2023 4:07 utc | 111

From now on, all further attacks by US/UK military against RF territory will be ‘handled’ via rocket strikes & SAT intel rather than fighting on ground. That’s for sure, as US intel have planned.

Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 5 2023 4:15 utc | 112

Question
I thought I read here several months past when the issue of supplying Transnustria was discussed if it was attacked. As I recall, one of the respondants said that it would not be an issue because Transnustria had plenty of arms. They said that in the Soviet Era that Transnustria was a major storage depot for the military and there are imme se quantities of equipment and supplies.
Is this correct that Transnustria contains large quantities of Soviet era equipment?
If this is the case, could Transnustria be the next target? This equipment is exactly what Ukraine has been asking to be sent.

Posted by: Jerr | Feb 5 2023 4:22 utc | 113

Re: Posted by: Anton Gorbatow | Feb 4 2023 18:23 utc | 1
The long-awaited “Winter Offensive”?!?
I thought it had been put off until Spring? Or perhaps the “Real Winter” set for early 2024?

Posted by: Julian | Feb 5 2023 4:29 utc | 114

Re: Posted by: mjh | Feb 4 2023 18:28 utc | 3

I am struck by how US policy in regard to Ukraine and Europe continues to be basically the attempt to secure markets and control of raw materials

Not sure why you’d be surprised by this.
Look at 3 Lists.
Top 10 Global Oil Producers
Top 10 Global Coal Producers
Top 10 Global Gas Producers
There are only 3 Countries which appear on all 3 Top 10 Lists.
I’ll give you 1 guess to name these 3 Countries.

Posted by: Julian | Feb 5 2023 4:33 utc | 115

Maneuverable & Self-Homing Krasnopol That Can ‘Demolish’ Ukraine’s Tanks

Russian defense commentators and state media are promoting special artillery ammunition called Krasnopol that is claimed to be able to destroy US Abrams and German Leopard Main Battle Tanks (MBT).
Touted as Russia’s own Excalibur round, it has recently been featured in promotional videos, hitting Ukrainian fortified command centers and armored targets.
Based on comments from Western and European officials, the tanks will be available only in the next three months, by which the nature of the war must have changed.
Krasnopol is an adjustable artillery ammunition of 152mm caliber, specifically designed to destroy targets in the first shot, with a host of novelties like aerodynamic control surfaces, a homing head, a laser seeker, and gas propulsion at the bottom.
The details and nature of the last feature are, however, unclear, but likely nevertheless. It could be a ‘base bleed’ system that expels gas in the low-pressure area behind the shell to reduce base drag.
These features aid in minimizing the usage of a large amount of artillery ammunition to get a hit on a target. Naturally functioning in a top attack mode like many Anti-Tank Guided Missiles (ATGM), the round is in line with the established practice of using artillery for anti-armor roles. . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 5 2023 4:40 utc | 116

Re: Posted by: young | Feb 4 2023 19:12 utc | 17

After Russia takes and secures the Donbas, they will launch. This will end the USA empire along with NATO.

The fevered rantings and delusions of a lunatic.

Posted by: Julian | Feb 5 2023 4:43 utc | 117

Latest Gonzalo Lira Roundtable with Brian Berletic…
The Roundtable #46: Shooting the Breeze w/ Brian Berletic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SHd9T1exhc

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 5 2023 4:59 utc | 118

Note once more, the battles on ground with all the heavy losses of men on each side won’t going on longer of a period of several weeks. That makes no sense on either side.
The war against RF will continue on some other new frontlines mostly by directly (SAT-) targeted rocket strikes, but not on the ground fields.
The UKR re-supply of its remaining eastern “Brigades” will fail because it’s too late.
Even RF today has some problems of supporting ‘materials’ to its frontlines.
The ground battles a la man-by-man artillery will stop soon, but not the HIMARS rockets (300km) and Kamikaze-Drones attacks.

Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 5 2023 5:10 utc | 119

Maneuverable & Self-Homing Krasnopol That Can ‘Demolish’ Ukraine’s Tanks
Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 5 2023 4:40 utc | 119

The Russians also have 9M55K1, 9M55K6, 9M526, 9M532 and 9M533 rounds for Tornado-S.
E.g. the 9M533 contains 5 pieces of 9N268 120 mm RHA armor-piercing self-aiming submunitions that separate from the rocket and then autonomously home in on and target tanks and armored vehicles from on top.
The 9M532 has 20 pieces of 70 mm RHA armor-piercing self-aiming submunitions.
Have you seen these things in action?
This would have come quite useful in Kharkov, and many other places. And the range is 90 km.
But it has been MIA so far, instead we watch Lancets and artillery take out armored vehicles one by one close to the front line.
The way this war has been fought is nothing short of baffling.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 5:12 utc | 120

What is an American? Depends on whether they are North or South Americans, but mostly I believe it is like the misnomer of a US citizen, someone born in the United States of America, albeit, since they believe they own all America that is what they call themselves.
Certainly, Indians in the USA would call them cowboys. Anyways, I seem to recall it being used in Hollywood movies to describe US citizens as Americans, especially the older WWII era movies. Isn’t it part of the GI American depiction? I definitely know that is what we Canucks disparagingly called the “American Way” to try and differentiate from the bigger brother mentality.
I am sure there are other descriptive answers, but most people knew Americans only as GIs? It was only in the late 1970’s up north that we start meeting the first Americans who weren’t a part of the US Armed Forces.

Posted by: Arcticman | Feb 5 2023 5:12 utc | 121

Jeer – I did hear Lavrov state that Moldova could be next if they weren’t careful. I remember too about the Soviet-era stockpiles and so I agree that may be why the Ukes’ want Moldova (for the stockpiles). Getting my popcorn ready!

Posted by: LGB! | Feb 5 2023 5:14 utc | 122

“by: Likklemore | Feb 4 2023 20:52 utc | 37”
Shit on pro-censorship y*tube, and the version on 21stcenturywire doesn’t play for me, for some reason, just sits there pretending to play. There are at least two versions in French, one in German, one in Italian, one with Dutch subtitles, and numerous English versions of “Ukraine On Fire” available on Odysee.com. Probably others I didn’t notice. Just search for “Ukraine On Fire” to find them all.
https://odysee.com

Posted by: Dalit | Feb 5 2023 5:16 utc | 123

Watching the mobile targets of any weapon shipments having crossed the Polish or Romania border would be difficult because those are being transferred in hidden civilian ways.
Either bomb all UKR roads/rails immediately – Now! – or have it later on frontline to destroy them. Either – or.
Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 5 2023 4:07 utc | 114

It is not a technical problem.
The technical means to stop shipments by fully disabling all entry points have been available from the start.
Yes, they will repair them, but then you hit them again, and again, and again. What the Ukies did to the Kherson bridge (including while there were civilian repair workers on it, who got killed in strikes).
A Kh-22 warhead has 1000kg HE, it will make a huge crater in whatever road or railway it hits, that will take at least a week to fill in and repair. There are quite a few border crossings, but not an infeasibly large number of them, and Russia has a lot of old Kh-22 rockets from the Soviet days.
If needed, use tactical nukes, so that the crater is not 30-meter in size, but 500, and so that the residual radiation makes it unsafe to work on for a while. It could have been done with close to zero civilian casualties with a careful choice of coordinates to hit. That would have also sent a clear message to NATO to back the f**k off in a different way.
None of that was even tried seriously.
Which once again takes us back to the thorny issue of where the Kremlin’s real loyalties lie…

Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 5:19 utc | 124

@Buffalo_Ken@19:17
Young might have a valid reason for his opinion. If you read Revelation 17 and 18, understanding America to be the prostitute (filled the world with sexual immorality) and the 10 kings to be the EU (remnant of the Roman Empire), it seems to suggest that the EU will finally get fed up with America’s arrogance and that the prostitute will be destroyed in a single hour with a great fire with the “smoke of her burning rising to heaven.” Then all the merchants of the earth will lament that their largest buyer has been destroyed. Don’t diss his opinion until you’ve read Revelation 17 and 18 with an eye to how it lines up with the current reality on the ground in Russia and Ukraine.

Posted by: amesmoose | Feb 5 2023 5:26 utc | 125

Because RF is not yet able to protect its Donetz (esp. Donetzk city) from permant HIMARS attacks firing on civilians, the RF won’t be able to defend Crimea too, against the newly shipped 300km range HIMARS rockets ammunitiion.
RF should have a new defense strategy asap. before planning any offense OPs.
Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 5 2023 3:17 utc | 109

They are not getting ATACMS yet, they are getting GLSDB, with a 150-km range. And as far as I understand it, the GLSDB are not actually compatible with HIMARS, they will be launched from a different platform.
ATACMS is less of a threat than HIMARS though.
The Ukies did have some 300 or so Tochka-U missiles, with similar characteristics to ATACMS, left over from the Soviet days. And still have some because from time to time they do launch one or two here and there. Including against mainland Russia — Bryansk, Belgorod, etc.
All of those have been shot down by AD. In fact AD has repelled all strikes against mainland Russia and Crimea except for the immediate border areas (e.g. Shebekino has suffered a lot) where the Ukies can shoot with artillery and MLRS and the strikes with drones, some of which have managed to sneak through.
A salvo of 12 HIMARS rockets preceded by a preparation launch of 40 Grad rockets to saturate air defense is much more difficult to defend against than a single or several ATACMS missiles.
The Russian still achieve remarkable success in shooting them down — in the 70% range — but obviously many still get through, as you can’t put Pantsir systems everywhere and the newly acquired territories don’t have the same 5-6 layers of AD put in place yet. Which is how various targets in the Donbass rear get hit.
GLSDBs are also less of a threat for AD because they are subsonic, while HIMARS rockets fly at Mach 2.5. Or at least they should be, we will see how it plays out in reality.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 5:27 utc | 126

Hey now, the Ukes could end it at any time by just surrendering.
Posted by: LGB! | Feb 5 2023 0:36 utc | 80

Whichever rational way you look at it, the most beneficial thing to do for Ukraine would have been to just reconstitute the USSR with Belarus and Russia.
The West has absolutely nothing to give them, nor does it intend to give them anything, it only wants to extract.
Russia has the resources and the greater Eurasian space, led by China, will pull ahead technologically very soon too.
But this has long been essentially a hostage situation…

Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 5:31 utc | 127

I thought your hero Putin is all about observing the UN legal system. Your idea of expelling Ukrainians would be a crime against humanity under UN rules. Anyway, if Putin did expel them most of the Western nations would expel Russians in retaliation. Careful what you wish for.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Feb 4 2023 23:25 utc | 55

In the long term Russia needs to recover the Baltics.
You see how last week there was talk about shutting down the Gulf of Finland. Which will lead to war if attempted, and that means that either Estonia will get crushed or WWIII starts
And that is the point — the Baltic Sea is a NATO lake now. Which is a geostrategically unacceptable situation.
The catalysts for reversing the situation could be the fact that a third of Estonia and 40% of Latvia are Russian.
But any expulsion of Ukrainians from Russia gives them the precedent to expel the Russians from there too. Not a good idea.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 5:34 utc | 128

The level of idiotic military incompetence is strong in this thread. Between the regular trolls and the concern trolls there isn’t much left to read.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 5 2023 5:35 utc | 129

@young: The reason why Ukraine doesn’t pull back to the west bank of the Dnieper is that once the Russians get to the Dnieper the war is over – eastern Ukraine (east of Dnieper) accounted for close to 2/3 of pre-war Ukrainian GDP. Western Ukraine, while large geographically, is relatively poor and really isn’t worth fighting over. Though some observers claim Russia wants to take over all of Ukraine, once Russian forces reach the eastern bank of the Dnieper, Putin will probably declare victory while magnanimously ceding Odessa to Ukraine and expelling ethnic Ukrainians from Russian held territory to avoid a potentially nasty guerrilla war. This gives Putin a defensible border with NATO while leaving Ukraine as little more than a rump state, especially after Hungary and Poland take some of the far western regions. Later, when it is clear just how poor and bereft of assets the Ukrainian rump state will be, Russia may move to absorb the areas around Odessa with large ethnic-Russian populations.
Posted by: CoupLeeBob | Feb 4 2023 21:49 utc | 47

That is not a solution, as we get to revisit every other day here.
The main reason the 2022 war started is that nuclear missiles were soon to be placed in Sumy, Chernigov and Kharkov. And the reason the 2014 war started was that Crimea was going to become a NATO base. The Kremlin really didn’t give much of a damn about the fate of Russians in Ukraine, but that kind of direct security threat is about the only thing that can really light a fire under their neoliberal sellout behinds.
Having the border on the Dnieper doesn’t solve that problem at all. Quite the opposite — whatever remains of Ukraine will hate Russia the way no other territory in history has hated their neighbor, so expect constant attacks and provocations, deep into Russia. The technological means to do so will be provided.
There is absolutely no viable path to lasting peace that preserves an independent Ukraine.
Also, the December 2021 ultimatums that Russia gave to the US demanded withdrawal of all offensive installations to the pre-1997 configuration. Which was still not enough in the 1980s when IRBMs were developed — that is why the INF treat was signed back then, and now with hypersonics we are in an even worse situation — but that is the minimum buffer they themselves view as acceptable.
Right now there are such installations in Poland and Romania.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 5:41 utc | 130

@ 126
Ukraine on fire English on Rumble
Ukraine on Fire

Posted by: Golddiggr | Feb 5 2023 5:48 utc | 131

⚡️🇺🇦🇷🇺⚔️ War Map and the Situation on the Fronts in the Evening of 4 Feb 2023; pub. 00:10⚡️
🏴‍☠️ Ukrainian militants have been shelling central areas of #Donetsk since early morning (figure 3). One of the apartment buildings in Kievsky district partially collapsed, up to five people may be under the rubble. The consequences of strikes on civilian infrastructure in Kirovsky, Kievsky and Kuybyshevsky districts have been recorded, and there are casualties. There was also shelling in #Gorlovka, as a result of which an elderly woman was killed.
⚔️ Situation on the Fronts for the past Day
🔹#Svatovo – #Kremennaya Direction:
▪️ The Russian army has launched an offensive near #Kremennaya. Ours advanced as far as #Yampolovka DPR and knocked out the Territorial Defence near #Dibrova, as well as pressuring near #Makeyevka LPR.
▪️ Fighting continues in #Dvurechnoye in the #Kupyansk area, in parallel we are advancing on AFU positions in #Gorobyevka and #Gryanikovka in the #Kharkov region.
▪️ In addition, the advance of the Russian 144th Motorized Rifle Division and the liberation of #Belogorovka opens up another exit to #Seversk.
🔹#Artyomovsk (#Bakhmut) Sector:
▪️ Wagner PMC fighters are crushing the enemy in the southern and southeastern quarters of #Artyomovsk, advancing in parallel to #Krasnoye.
➖ Also, military correspondents confirm the entry of the “orchestrators” into the northern part of the city (figure 2), a mop-up is currently underway there.
📌 It can already be argued that #Artyomovsk has been effectively taken in a semicircle, which leaves the militants with no option but to retreat.
🔹#Zaporozhye Direction:
▪️ The Russian Ministry of Defence has reported the destruction of more than 35 militants, one tank, two APCs and two MSTA-B howitzers in the vicinity of #Prechistovka and #Ilyinka DPR by artillery fire.
💡 There is evidence that three that three large columns of militants were heading towards #Dimitrov DPR (figure 1). Among them, a large number of Grad MLRS were seen. These forces could be used by the AFU in any direction, but the most logical would be to move them to #Ugledar, where the Russian army is conducting heavy battles.

https://t.me/sitreports/4159

Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 5:48 utc | 132

and even some such as Bob Dylan, who though still producing at the age of 80 with such memorable takes such as “he not busy being born is busy dying”.
Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 5 2023 2:06 utc | 95
Actually that line is from Shawshank Redemption. A great movie if there ever was one.
But I digress.
The genocide of Eastern Ukrane has been an issue with me. Can somebody explain please.The FACT is that the genocide coincided with the invasion of Crimea The consensus opinion is that Russia had no choice but to launch the SMO because Ukraine was killing all of the ethnic Russians in eastern Donbass and other areas. The problem with that theory is that PRIOR to the Russian invasion and ILLEGAL annexation of Crimea there was no fighting there.No genocide was taking place The Russian military at minimum actively supported the Russian separatist and more than likely fought side by side of the Separatist. More than likely most of the separatist were imported from Russia to stir the pot good with.upheaval and caos. 14,500 dead but how many were fighting in the war? How many Russians came to fight with the separatist ? WE don’t know how or why they died do we? really? I think not. By the way WHY was the Russian army in UKRAINE??? Inquiring minds want to know!!

Posted by: Roadblock | Feb 5 2023 5:50 utc | 133

Military Summary thinks that a major Russion offensive will start in a few days. Does anyone have any thoughts about this?
Posted by: Anton Gorbatow | Feb 4 2023 18:23 utc | 1
Honestly, no one knows.
Personally, I expect a winter offensive any day now. Russia has the troops ready and waiting, the temps are well below freezing for the next week or two, Bakhmut is about to fall, and Russia has good reason to wrap things up before more western weapons arrive.
But there are plenty of armchair generals out there like me making guesses. Russia has maintained very good operational security so we don’t have any way of really knowing. Unlike the west which has been telegraphing every move.

Posted by: team10tim | Feb 5 2023 5:53 utc | 134

Artyomovsk (Bakhmut) – the agony of the garrison of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
Judging by the speed of falling resistance of the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Artemovsk, they did receive an order to leave. In the morning there was information that the most combat-ready of them were leaving the city, and then more and more data began to appear about the progress of the Wagner PMC inside this settlement.
This means that the next few days (or maybe a day or two) may be the last for parts of the Kiev regime when they still at least partially control this city.

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/43357

A Ukrainian unit fleeing from Artyomovsk (Bakhmut): “It’s hell on Earth. In a half an hour we lost 4 WIA, 2 KIA. We left in small groups. These are all who are left [from our group].”

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/31989

Azov commander says: “Situation in Artemovsk is difficult.”
Azov commander Zhorin: “The situation in Bakhmut is indeed very tense.” The Russians have thrown huge forces into the offensive. Fighting has been going on on the outskirts of the city for days now, but for the past 24 hours they have been pounding away at maximum capacity. “We are preparing for a heavy defense.”
“I won’t make any predictions,” the Ukrainian Nazi leader added.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/31991

Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 5:54 utc | 135

What a Russian spring offensive in Ukraine could look like — The Telegraph
The AFU  will eventually have to retreat from Artemovsk (Bakhmut)
Mr Zelensky this week ruled out a retreat, saying on Thursday: “No one will surrender Bakhmut. But among many people on the ground in Donbas, there is a feeling that Ukraine will eventually have to withdraw to a new line of defence – just as it did when retreating from Severodonetsk last summer.
The small town of Chasov Yar, the last stop before Bakhmut itself, is rapidly emptying as residents flee before it too becomes a battlefield.
But Bakhmut, which has drawn in vast numbers of Ukrainian troops, tanks and other resources, may prove a diversion.
The Institute for the Study of War (ISW), a US defence think tank, said on Friday that Russia’s main offensive effort would come further north, in the Luhansk region near the towns of Svatove and Kreminna.
A strike here might seek to catch the Ukrainians off balance in a less heavily defended area. A Ukrainian officer based in Kharkiv told The Telegraph that intelligence showed the Russians were “getting ready” for a renewed offensive.
In an assessment that overlaps with the ISW’s prediction, he said they would probably attack from the east in an attempt to retake all the territory they lost to a Ukrainian counter-offensive in the region in September.
The first objective of that push would be to push the Ukrainians back from the critical supply line between Valyuki, a small town in Russia’s Belgorod region, to Svatove in the Luhansk region
They would then seek to cut the highway between Kharkiv and Izyum to interdict Ukrainian lines of supply to Donbas, he said. He said they did not have sufficient forces to attack Kharkiv city itself and doubted they would try.
And the Ukrainian officer in Kharkiv told the Telegraph he would not be surprised to see a strike further north straight across the border, perhaps in the Sumy region. The region has seen almost daily cross-border shelling, but no fighting since the Russian retreat in March. “There are many places they could go,” he said
But the wild card is in the south, said Kirill Mikhailov, an independent military researcher based in Kyiv.
“I don’t think they have the resources to do ‘February 24 redux’, an offensive on all fronts. But they’ve now got enough mobilised men to use them to hold the front lines, and concentrate their most experienced troops for a dangerous offensive in one area,” he said.
An attack on the southern front, which has been static for most of the war, would take advantage of the terrain and threaten the main supply routes to Ukrainian forces in Donbas.“It’s tank country down there,” he said, referring to the largely open spaces of the Black Sea lowlands.
“But they would also have to cover a lot of ground. It is 50 to 60 kilometres from the current front line to the highway from Dnipro to Donetsk.”

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/31993

Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 5:56 utc | 136

While a retreat from Artemovsk cannot be confirmed, the situation for the AFU is becoming more difficult by the hour. Several reports indicate that the Western masters want Ukraine to retreat to a stronger line of defense as the RF did when faced with the potential for a meat grinder in Kharkov and Kherson. However, all reports indicate that Zelensky and his circle are willing to hold Bakhmut to the last Ukrainian.
These gains and the turning fortunes are the result of the calculated decisions of the Russian military leaders and the grit and determination of the Wagner Orchestra. I’d give the latter much more credit than the former, but ultimately, given limited resources, I believe that the leadership made the right decisions to prepare for this eventuality.
The Spring brings new wunderwaffen, glide bombs and heavy tanks/armored vehicles, and the possibility of another Ukro Offensive. The Crimea is the big fish for them, but we’ll see if they even get those plans in motion. Really, they’d need 5 times as many tanks as the West is currently offering, and far more than that relative to what we will actually see delivered.
Still, be prepared for a bloody and brutal slog. There are no easy days ahead. I’m sure we’ll see what else the West and the Kyiv puppets have up their sleeve before this is all over.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/31999

Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 5:57 utc | 137

The Russians are trying to go on the offensive, but so far too slowly to have a large-scale success, even in the information field.
The West is trying to bargain for time for Ukraine in order to have time to prepare the Armed Forces of Ukraine for a counteroffensive, repeating the autumn success.
Now the task of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is to hold the ranks, stop the panic, create reserves, as it was in the summer of 2022, when Bankova lost in the Severodonetsk loop, but managed to accumulate strength for the Kharkov offensive.
The scenario is now somewhat similar, only now Bakhmutov’s meat grinder.

https://t.me/legitimniy/14708

Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 6:02 utc | 138

Zelensky’s office ordered security forces to search Klitschko and his entourage starting Monday – Kiev media

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/43368

Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 6:04 utc | 139

Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 5:19 utc | 127

.. If needed, use tactical nukes, so that the crater is not 30-meter in size, but 500, and so that the residual radiation makes it unsafe to work on for a while. ..

Ok, thanks for your detailled explanation acc.to rocket specs and its launch systems (HIMARS vs. others old once).
But that ‘Nuc proposal’ you made (see above) is not of that in my sense to apply, despite than the enemy has practised such a Nuc-like earth radioactive left poissened possibilty.
I’ll think about .. But pls. answer how to make Donetzk-City more safe – against daily HIMARS attacks?
Why not Bunker-bombs on trenches a few miles outside Donetzk city, civis I heard from would appreciate thet.

Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 5 2023 6:05 utc | 140

I’ll think about .. But pls. answer how to make Donetzk-City more safe – against daily HIMARS attacks?
Why not Bunker-bombs on trenches a few miles outside Donetzk city, civis I heard from would appreciate thet.
Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 5 2023 6:05 utc | 143

There was always a solution to that too.
You come out and declare that for each strike on civilians in Donetsk, such and such object of major significance (we’re talking key administrative buildings) or a high-ranking Ukrainian official will be evaporated by a missile strike. With Zelensky and Zaluzhny, who are responsible for those strikes, and are thus war criminals and terrorists by any reasonable definition of the terms, thus can be taken out with no qualms, quite high on that list.
And then you actually start going down the list and show that you are serious.
The terror bombing will stop very quickly.
But instead the Kremlin has barely even acknowledged that there is terror bombing going on…

Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 6:09 utc | 141

Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 6:09 utc | 144

.. The terror bombing will stop very quickly.
But instead the Kremlin has barely even acknowledged that there is terror bombing going on..

Ok dear Master, have understood. ‘The terror bombing will stop’, promise you, but will stop from side of the UKR Cock-Piano player against the Denetsk-City .. Ok so far, dear master?

Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 5 2023 6:24 utc | 142

Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 6:09 utc | 144
Sadly, your point is very valid. The Russians could and should have sone that ,so it means they either don’t have the up-to- date intelligence to do it or they are not willing to do it.
Before the Ukros-are -our -brothers crowd get on , let me say that civil war is always ugly, brutal , and tragic. However, you cannot be “we are brothers “ when the formal ukro government is happy to bomb civilians in Russian- held lands.
Russia should give a one hour warning to Kiev, fill your bathtubs with water and all bottles because you will be without water soon. You need the civilians to feel pain until THEY put the pressure on the Ukro gov not to bomb Russianspeaking Loyalists of the Pre Maidan government. Why do this? Stopping their water means there will be no blood to show on tv cameras , and the Russians can always have plausible deniability if the desire it.” We didnt do it” .You ukros destroyed your water facilities with your own missiles by accident or via neglect.
You will see how quickly bombing civilians will stop.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Feb 5 2023 6:31 utc | 143

@ Roadblock | Feb 5 2023 5:50 utc | 136 with the ignorance spewing from their keyboard
Bob Dylan wrote the song Is Alright Ma in 1967, considerably before Shawshank Redemption was written, let alone turned into a movie. “Those not busy being born are busy dying” is part of that song.
Find another bar to spew your ignorant gibberish and don’t let the door hit you on the way out….and take some of the other drive by trash with you….thanks!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 5 2023 6:34 utc | 144

You come out and declare that for each strike on civilians in Donetsk, such and such object of major significance (we’re talking key administrative buildings) or a high-ranking Ukrainian official will be evaporated by a missile strike. With Zelensky and Zaluzhny, who are responsible for those strikes, and are thus war criminals and terrorists by any reasonable definition of the terms, thus can be taken out with no qualms, quite high on that list.
And then you actually start going down the list and show that you are serious.
The terror bombing will stop very quickly.
But instead the Kremlin has barely even acknowledged that there is terror bombing going on…
Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 6:09 utc | 144
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That doesn’t happen because then the Ukrainians can start shelling Russian leadership the same way. At this time, the Ukrainians have to pretend to be acting properly. If those psychos were let off their leashes, and as they continue to lose, one cannot imagine the death and destruction they will create.
Making threats is usually a very bad idea. Once a threat is uttered, it must be acted upon, or it loses all credibility. And when it is acted upon, the action has escalated to another level. Escalation is not really the Russians’ style. Escalate enough, and 10s of millions of Russians die.
We have no idea what the appetite for a settlement is within the RF government or population at large. You may want blood, they may tired of feeding their sons and husbands into a meat grinder.
It’s easy to criticize what the Russians are and are not doing. Thus far, they have done a very good job, considering the hand they were dealt, in my opinion.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 5 2023 6:36 utc | 145

You need the civilians to feel pain until THEY put the pressure on the Ukro gov not to bomb Russianspeaking Loyalists of the Pre Maidan government. Why do this? Stopping their water means there will be no blood to show on tv cameras , and the Russians can always have plausible deniability if the desire it.” We didnt do it” .You ukros destroyed your water facilities with your own missiles by accident or via neglect.
You will see how quickly bombing civilians will stop.
Posted by: Brother Ma | Feb 5 2023 6:31 utc | 146
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We talked about this tangentially earlier today or yesterday. “The people” have zero power. All over the West, and in Ukraine.
The whole, “the people can control their government” is a lovely narrative, right up there with the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. Even if they had power, most people are too cowardly to stand up and push back. Easier to hide and keep one’s head down until the storm passes. And most people take the path of least resistance.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 5 2023 6:41 utc | 146

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 5 2023 6:41 utc | 149

Even if they had power, most people are too cowardly to stand up and push back. Easier to hide and keep one’s head down until the storm passes. And most people take the path of least resistance. ..

A resistance is not only an action with a AK4x in your hands.
A resistance should be a bit more intelligent – even in a new on-going civil war.
Sample some money and/or/not buy a sniper as of your choice. That’s some people did ie. in South-America.

Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 5 2023 6:56 utc | 147

🇷🇺🇺🇦 Ukrainian troops in Artemovsk are using civilians for reconnaissance, one of the musicians said.
He also noted that the use of a “human shield” by the Ukrainian military significantly complicates the assault on the city, since it limits the use of artillery, and it becomes harder to clear buildings, since civilians are often in the basements.

https://t.me/intelslava/44109

Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 7:07 utc | 148

❗️At the request of the United States, the Office of the President of Ukraine is preparing the removal of Defense Minister Oleksiy Reznikov.
He can be replaced by the head of the Main Directorate of Intelligence of the Ministry of Defense Kirill Budanov.
/Ukrainian TG-channel “Resident”/

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/32025

Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 7:09 utc | 149

Tom Collins 38
Yes the Teachers, Nurses and Train drivers are on salaries significantly above the average in the UK. A legacy of the desperate years of Tony BLiar who just chucked money at public services but the quality of those services has been in decline ever since. The only major strikers you could call working class are the postal workers. Certainly the Tory governments since 2015 are BLiar lite.
We have a massive low pay service economy and a massive welfare economy. 11 million working age adults, do not work. A complete mess and I am sure Putin is aware of this and laughing, when our politicians grandstand on the world stage.

Posted by: IAN WRIGHT | Feb 5 2023 7:14 utc | 150

Down South – @151/152
The “reporter” is awake and working. Thanks for new updates.

Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 5 2023 7:19 utc | 151

Making threats is usually a very bad idea. Once a threat is uttered, it must be acted upon, or it loses all credibility. And when it is acted upon, the action has escalated to another level. Escalation is not really the Russians’ style. Escalate enough, and 10s of millions of Russians die.
We have no idea what the appetite for a settlement is within the RF government or population at large. You may want blood, they may tired of feeding their sons and husbands into a meat grinder.
It’s easy to criticize what the Russians are and are not doing. Thus far, they have done a very good job, considering the hand they were dealt, in my opinion.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 5 2023 6:36 utc | 148

It is precisely because vague threats about “red lines” were repeatedly made and not acted upon that Western tanks, jets and long-range missiles will soon be killing Russians again, 80 years later.

That doesn’t happen because then the Ukrainians can start shelling Russian leadership the same way. At this time, the Ukrainians have to pretend to be acting properly. If those psychos were let off their leashes, and as they continue to lose, one cannot imagine the death and destruction they will create.

Leadership would not be top of the list, some buildings would be the first half a dozen targets. To show seriousness and give them time to stop.
Also, Ukraine didn’t have the technical means to target Putin for the first 10 months. Now it does. And it did not impose such constraints on itself anyway — Russian officials were targeted, and some lower ranking ones were killed — thus the whole point is moot.

Sadly, your point is very valid. The Russians could and should have sone that ,so it means they either don’t have the up-to- date intelligence to do it or they are not willing to do it.

Administrative buildings are stationary targets. There is no intelligence needed to blow up the Verkhovna Rada building in Kiev. After literally thousands of precise long-range missile strikes much further than Kiev, it is obviously within their technical means to do it.
As to where Zelensky or Zaluzhny is at any given moment, that is not that hard to locate either. The bunkers are all known, you can be sure about that, as most of them were built by the USSR, and there has ben plenty of time to locate any post-2014 ones .

Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 7:55 utc | 152

“Young might have a valid reason for his opinion. If you read Revelation 17 and 18…
Posted by: amesmoose | Feb 5 2023 5:26 utc | 128”
Being inexcusable terroristic bullshit entirely made up by the so-called ‘saint’ Paul thousands of years ago for the sole purpose of terrorizing anyone who opposed his perversion and destruction of Jesus’ message, “Revelation” has absolutely no relationship to the words “valid” or “reason”.
Sorry for being OT, by responding to something that was already completely OT. I appreciate everyone who sticks to reason, facts, and valid logic in this thread about Ukraine.

Posted by: Dalit | Feb 5 2023 7:58 utc | 153

Dalit | Feb 5 2023 7:58 utc | 156
“Revelation [written by] Paul…has absolutely no relationship to the words “valid” or “reason”…I appreciate everyone who sticks to facts”
That might come off better if you knew that Revelation was written by John of Patmos.
“Sorry for being OT, by responding to something that was already completely OT.”
Obviously not sorry since you went and did it anyway. But I understand – “they” triggered you and made you do it.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 5 2023 8:09 utc | 154

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 5 2023 6:41 utc | 149
I readily agree with you . The everyday person has little power. Yes, you are right, but we cannot just keep going this way or necessarily be saintly. Russia has already “fought with one arm tied behind its back “ for long enough. It must actually take this war seriously and act symbolically at least once or twice.
Has the bombing of the electrical grid, done anything? No! It hasn’t . It was too diluted ,too humanitarian and likely hit Soviet -built redundant systems which can weather a lot of beating. Yes, I read all the “they cant fix it quickly “ blurb all before ,
but my take is that it was not a game -changer.
So Russia ,needs to make the people feel pain at least once or twice in a symbolic retaliatory fashion . Justice must be SEEN to be done as well as done. The bombing of the Donbas civilians will likely stop after that.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Feb 5 2023 8:32 utc | 155

@Down South | Feb 5 2023 7:09 utc | 152

❗️At the request of the United States, the Office of the President of Ukraine is preparing the removal of Defense Minister Oleksiy Reznikov.

So, if this is true there is no doubt that it is the US that is the aggressor in Ukraine since the bloody coup in 2014, and has been dictating the “government” of Ukraine ever since.
Thanks for the reports, btw.!

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 5 2023 8:39 utc | 156

Has the bombing of the electrical grid, done anything? No! It hasn’t . It was too diluted ,too humanitarian and likely hit Soviet -built redundant systems which can weather a lot of beating. Yes, I read all the “they cant fix it quickly “ blurb all before ,
but my take is that it was not a game -changer.

It has probably ended whatever industrial production there was left in Ukraine.
But other than that? Yeah, not much.
It was initially sold as “We will bring down the electric grid to halt military railway transport”.
Never mind that there was no need for shutting down the grid to block railway transport, that could have been targeted in other, more direct ways (and it wasn’t). More importantly, that was never really going to work unless there was a complete shut down of the grid. Complete. Because military transportation would always get priority, and you only need 1-2% of capacity for that. And if that wasn’t available, they would have rolled out diesel and even steam locomotives and still keep it going (which they did).
But there was in retrospect never any intention to shut down the whole grid. Because generation capacity was only rarely hit, and the 750-kV transformers were not touched. And without that the grid still functioned. With a lot of interruptions, etc., but trains are still moving, largely on schedule too, and that is the civilian ones…
You want to shut down the railways? Hit the bridges (there are plenty of critical ones that are not on the Dnieper), hit the railway depots to destroy locomotives, hit the traction substations. Bridges can’t be fixed easily, and locomotives are irreplaceable by the West because of the difference in railway gauge. A few dozen Iskanders would have taken them all out, in their depots.
None of that was done.
So either the Kremlin didn’t want to leave Ukrainian civilians cold and dark in the middle of winter (even if unusually warm as it turned out to be) while being complete idiots when it comes to the task of shutting down the railways. Or, once again, the war is being fought with one hand tied behind the back, for whatever other mysterious reasons…

Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 8:52 utc | 157

It is reported that during the night strikes in the area of Chasov Yar, Druzhkovka, as well as in Kherson, several dozens of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and various equipment were destroyed. The strikes in the area of Chasov Yar and Druzhkovka are designed to inflict damage on the enemy reserves being transferred to Artemovsk, which are thrown into the furnace of battle for the city and adjacent villages.
https://t.me/intelslava/44115

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 5 2023 8:55 utc | 158

So, the US shoots down a Chinese weather balloon over US territory. Surely this sets the precedent for the shooting down and otherwise destroying of US property overflying or entering other countries without their prior position.
What’s good for the goose…………..oh to hear that drawling whine in the UN!

Posted by: Vragtes | Feb 5 2023 8:57 utc | 159

Looks like UAF is hell-bent and committed to stand the ground to the last.

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 5 2023 8:58 utc | 160

Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 5 2023 4:07 utc | 114
I love the way Johnycomelately talks knowingly about “shaping the battlefield” and “striking at depth”… I guess he has picked up a few phrases from reading this blog LOL! And of course he is quite correct that Russia cannot hit every truck moving at 80kph from a distance of 1000 miles away, and this is indeed a shocking failing since one would expect any rag tag army to be able to do that (sarc). But what Johny does not take into account is – the Ukranians can’t do it either!

Posted by: Tim | Feb 5 2023 8:59 utc | 161

Posted by: Tim | Feb 5 2023 8:59 utc | 164
The fact is, it’s hard to hit and point out single pieces of equipment moving under guise of civilian trucks or cars or separately on side roads. Those pieces still need to be accumulated somewhere close behind the front. That’s when there’s a lot more opportunity to hit them. Take for example these strikes in Chasiv Yar, being the close accumulation point behind Bakhmut.
Why hunt them 500 or 1000km away when they will all accumulate a couple of ten km’s away anyway.

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 5 2023 9:03 utc | 162

@unimperator | Feb 5 2023 9:03 utc | 165

Why hunt them 500 or 1000km away when they will all accumulate a couple of ten km’s away anyway.

Indeed, why use an expensive long distance weapon when you can simply let them use a lot of fuel and effort to bring it close, and then take it out with a cheap Geranium or something equivalent.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 5 2023 9:08 utc | 163

Posted by: IAN WRIGHT | Feb 5 2023 7:14 utc | 153
“Yes the Teachers, Nurses and Train drivers are on salaries significantly above the average in the UK.”
I’m No expert but a quick google suggests that teacher average pay is around 33K, nurses 34k and median uk salary is around 33-34k

Posted by: Tim | Feb 5 2023 9:08 utc | 164

🇮🇱🇷🇺🇺🇦 “Putin assured me that he would not kill Zelensky.” The former Prime Minister of Israel spoke about the promise of the President of the Russian Federation.
In early March last year, Bennett met with Putin and asked if he was going to kill Zelensky, who at the time was hiding in a secret bunker. The former prime minister of Israel spoke about this in an interview with Channel 12.
“I’m not going to kill Zelensky,” Putin said.
Bennett replied: “I need to understand that you give me your word that you will not kill Zelensky.” And Putin again promised not to do this.
After that, according to Bennett, he called Zelensky to warn that he was not in danger.
“Are you sure?” Zelensky asked.
“One hundred percent,” Bennett replied.
According to him, a few hours later, Zelensky returned to his office and shot a video where he stated that he was not afraid of anything.

https://t.me/intelslava/44111

Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 9:20 utc | 165

Little bit more info on the interview mentioned above

Former Israeli Prime Minister Bennett, after officially leaving politics, gave an interview where he revealed some details of Israel’s role as a mediator in the war in Ukraine. According to Bennett:
1. Putin personally promised Bennet not to kill Zelensky, after which Zelebobik crawled out of his bunker in which he was sitting, because he thought that he would be killed. After that, Zelensky, having received guarantees that Putin would not kill him, began to declare that he was “not afraid of Putin.”
2. Negotiations to end the war were stopped at the request of Western countries led by the United States. Another confirmation of the obvious.
3. Israel and the Russian Federation take into account the interests of each other and have found reasonable compromises, taking into account their interests. Actually, these compromises in fact limit the supply of weapons from Israel to Ukraine.

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/43390

Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 9:23 utc | 166

A military medic distributed amphetamine to Ukrainian soldiers before the battle, explaining this by the need to make them “combat-ready,” a prisoner of war told RIA Novosti.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/32036

👆👆👆
German army in WW2 was massively fed up with Pervitin, a methamphetamine type of drug that enhanced the endurance of soldiers, removing fear from them and increasing concentration. Captagon is massively used in recent conflicts (Syria) with the same effects.
Cases of fighters losing their arm and continuing to fight were documented (until incapacitated due to blood loss) same as direct hits from small arms fire over the chest or stomach. They still continue to walk/run until mowed down by another burst or, yet again due to blood loss.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/32037

Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 9:27 utc | 167

Boris_rozhin:
By Artemovsk.
1. The main focus of the battle is shifting to the northern and northeastern outskirts of the city. PMC “Wagner” is increasing pressure on the enemy positions, trying to move through the northern quarters, as well as Paraskovievka and Krasnaya Gora to the last serious road along which the relatively safe supply of the Artemov group can go (the rest, to one degree or another, are under fire from Russian artillery) .
2. The enemy perfectly understands these intentions and tries to cling to Paraskovievka and Krasnaya Gora as much as possible in order to maintain the possibility of supplying the group at the current level for as long as possible. Obviously, as soon as this road is under fire, the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Artemovsk will have very dark days, as it already happened in Soledar. Therefore, there is no “retreat” – the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine rushes to the extent possible to hold the Wagner, which Prigozhin once again confirmed today, pointing out that the enemy is not retreating, they are precisely pushing through.
3. To the south of the city there are battles for ROPs and VOPs near Krasnoe. The road through the village under the fire of Russian artillery. Yesterday, too, our assault groups advanced to Stupochka, as part of a roundabout movement from the south to Chasov Yar. In fact, there is an advance in the direction of Konstantinovka.
4. In the city itself, during street fighting, there is a slow advance with street fighting in the southeastern and northeastern regions of the city. The enemy here is still acting within the framework of the expected – containment and slow withdrawal, followed by defense attempts in the western part of the city. In the event of a loss of communications, this plan is unlikely to work and the Armed Forces will most likely withdraw from the city in order to prevent encirclement.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/32038

Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 9:28 utc | 168

❗️ Since the beginning of January, dozens of cases of explosions on their own anti-tank mines have been recorded in the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Artyomovsk, set in case of a breakthrough into the city of Russian troops.
Explosions by Ukrainian units have become more frequent due to the fact that a single map of minefields around Artemovsk (Bakhmut) still does not exist. The overwhelming majority of sappers from the engineering units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who mined the roads before the start of the assault on Artyomovsk, died at the front, went missing or were captured along with documents and maps of the installation of anti-tank barriers.
The situation is aggravated by the lack of information exchange between units: territorial defense battalions set up their own, and combined arms units set up their own minefields.
Extensive mining not only hinders the movement of mobile groups and heavy equipment near the line of clashes, but also complicates the evacuation of the wounded, the delivery of ammunition and supplies to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/32043

Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 9:30 utc | 169

A case of Whom the gods wish to destroy, they first drive mad?
Posted by: cirsium | Feb 4 2023 22:03 utc | 49
Could the brits realistically come up with 3 brigades?

Posted by: jpc | Feb 5 2023 9:30 utc | 170

🔴 The Rada named the name of the successor to the post of Minister of Defense of Ukraine
The head of Ukraine’s military intelligence, Kirill Budanov , may replace Alexei Reznikov as the country’s defense minister. This was stated by the deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine from the party “Voice” Yaroslav Zheleznyak.
📝 “The Ministry of Defense can change the head. So far, they say that Kirill Budanov from the GUR will become it , ”Zheleznyak wrote on social networks.
✅ Despite corruption scandals in the Ukrainian army, Reznikov is predicted a warm place in the Ministry of Strategic Industries .

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/32044

Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 9:31 utc | 171

shadowbanned
I agree that one of Russia’s hands is behind the back, but I don’t think it’s because it is tied. I think it’s doing what it’s meant to be doing, hidden from the audience’s gaze, whilst their attention is focused on the very visible hand in front of them.

Posted by: Milites | Feb 5 2023 9:35 utc | 172

Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 5:41 utc | 133
You’re right that “lasting peace” has to be the aim. Hence Russia’s refusal to be provoked into extending the battlefield beyond the Ukraine, and the problem if it ultimately occupies areas (Galicia) which will stubbornly resist even after a formal military victory.

Posted by: Pete Jones | Feb 5 2023 9:40 utc | 173

@Down South | Feb 5 2023 9:23 utc | 169

1. Putin personally promised Bennet not to kill Zelensky, after which Zelebobik crawled out of his bunker in which he was sitting, because he thought that he would be killed. After that, Zelensky, having received guarantees that Putin would not kill him, began to declare that he was “not afraid of Putin.”

Zelensky clearly trusts the word of Putin with his own life.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 5 2023 9:44 utc | 174

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 5 2023 8:39 utc | 159
No problem.

Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 9:47 utc | 175

A letter appeared on social media sent to “sponsor/host” of Ukr refugees in UK. Must provide info and current location of male refugees from Ukr aged 18+
Looks like Bojo is going to send them back or collect them for a little army.

Posted by: rk | Feb 5 2023 9:51 utc | 176

Tim,
Ask Ian what he wants to vote for as a small business owner considering he says he has nobody to vote for. He’ll say small government and to reduce both the government deficit and the national debt. Government deficit being everybody’s savings held as £’s and the national debt being everybody’s savings held as gilts.
See how Ian has been programmed to vote against his own business interests because of an ideological mindset. Those savings held by the public is what is used to buy his products. Yet, he would vote to slash his own windfall. So you would think for his own business reasons he would support Teachers, Nurses and Train drivers etc getting a pay rise as capitalism is run on sales.
I bet he also thinks his taxes will have to rise to pay for the pay increases as he has probably fallen for the tax payer money myth. See the damage an ideological mindset can do even to ones own business.
He’ll also want tax cuts as he thinks he’s deserving of a tax cut but probably won’t want the little man to get a tax cut his customer. Businesses should never get a tax cut the working man and women should receive the tax cuts which will flow to business profits anyway. Businesses should be made to compete for those tax cuts and the increased demand they will create. If they can’t and can’t push productivity forward then they die. Should be treated like cattle not pets.
Businesses are terrified of competition and will do anything to avoid it. Rather find a niche or a monopoly perch from which to extract rent. It is imperative competition is enforced onto reluctant players instead of continuing to prop up the dead wood that holds everybody back.
Not only do the big 2 or 3 in the now privatised public sector rig prices between them and threaten investment strikes if they don’t get their own way. What the pandemic clearly showed was when consumers shop on the high street they are faced with an ever diminishing groups. That own many well known restaurants and shops between them. That own low end, middle end and high end outlets in their consortium. Who rig prices that way too.
It reminded of the 80’s but even worse now when you walked down the high street and you had a choice between top man, too shop, Burton and Dorothy Perkins who were all owned by the same group. They called that consumer choice run by a monopoly.

Posted by: Derek Henry | Feb 5 2023 9:52 utc | 177

According to the claim, the field data for January 14, 2023, based on Israeli intelligence, are as follows:
Russia Ukraine
22 Aircraft 302 Aircraft
56 helicopters 212 helicopters
200 drones 2750 drones
889 tanks/armored vehicles 6320 tanks/armored vehicles
427 Artillery systems 7360 Artillery systems
12 Air defense systems 497 Air defense systems
18480 casualties 157000 casualties
44500 casualties 234000 casualties
323 prisoners 17230 prisoners
234 dead NATO military trainers
from USA and GB
2458 dead NATO soldiers
from Germany, Poland, Lithuania etc.
5360 dead mercenaries
Translated with http://www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

Posted by: Oberbayer | Feb 5 2023 9:52 utc | 178

The electrical grid itself is kind of a pointless target, it has little military value. An army doesn’t need civilian infrastructure to function.
Either the Russian General Staff made a mistake and used resources on a pointless task or they have a less than obvious reason for targeting what they are targeting.
I believe the true target is Ukrainian air defenses.
Any good military does what it can to get its people back. Can’t believe people are bitching and moaning about soldier exchanges. To not care for one’s soldiers and treating them like they are disposable is horrid for morale.
One Russian soldier is worth 3-4 Ukrainian soldiers, Russia is getting a tactically good exchange rate.
The 6th column is busy tonight, good job guys, this thread is unreadable!

Posted by: Haassaan | Feb 5 2023 9:54 utc | 179

Just when I think society can’t get any more stupid, @Detek Henry comes along @180

Posted by: PalmaSailor | Feb 5 2023 9:57 utc | 180

PalmaSailor
” Just when I think society can’t get any more stupid, @Detek Henry comes along @180″
But won’t say why ? Is that what you call a hit and run ?

Posted by: Derek Henry | Feb 5 2023 10:02 utc | 181

Posted by: Oberbayer | Feb 5 2023 9:52 utc | 181
Thanks for that. It just proves the point, which has been noted several times before that Nato support is sporadic, much more PR than actual effort. The other sides gradually declines in firepower and starts taking much more losses. Of course drone spotting and recon is critical in, more or less static and positional warfare.
The Ukraine’s original army was huge. Now when Nato sends a hundred or two hundred armored vehicles and two hundred artillery, they all become the focus that destroyed several thousand armored and thousands of artillery pieces before it. They can’t cover fire support for the front, leaving UAF positions without support and exposed.

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 5 2023 10:14 utc | 182

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 5 2023 10:14 utc | 185
“they all become the focus that destroyed”
meant “they all become the focus of the same firepower, that destroyed the thousands of pieces before it”

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 5 2023 10:16 utc | 183

Palma Sailor
Perhaps the mental blockage is the horrible realisation that an awful lot of private sector activity adds about as much real value to the economy as a government furlough payment did. We have the paradox of productivity.
The neoclassical Keynsian, monetarist and Austrian view still believes that the economy tends to fix itself. If we just sit back economic growth will go back to its maximum.
Unemployment will drop to 2% what we consider full employment but it might need some help now and then. The Paul Krugman mainstream view. That There are no business cycles. Remember that when the globalist neoliberal war mongers claimed the business cycle is dead.
However, you could have the purist free market economy in the world but still have big unemployment numbers because the system tends to move towards breakdown.
Why ? Why does the system tend to move towards breakdown ?
Why can’t it be that higher wages force firms to invest in better management techniques and the most advanced technologies in order to get the most out of their higher cost labour?
That’s known as the paradox of productivity. Productivity improvements just lead to falling prices, so firms try to avoid doing productivity improvements and prefer to try and obtain monopoly power instead. That’s what a ‘market niche’ is. Oh boy have we seen this monopoly power as the public sector was transformed into rent seeking monopolies.
Higher wages will ultimately lead to some firms failing, which releases people onto the labour market, driving down wages. If you try to hold those jobs up, and force losses onto the other side you end up with an investment strike and the whole house of cards collapses into stagflation.Remember those privatised public services threatening the government with investment strikes last year. I do.
Failing to match higher wages with higher product *must* result in *both* investment capital and the demanding wage earners taking a cold bath. The economic system is a referee. It must not favour either side in the football match.
And why would firms in a competitive capitalistic system ever try to avoid productivity improvements? Simple-
Compare the cost of a concert violinist to a loaf of bread in the 19th century vs today. That’s what productivity increases do over time – because it takes less human time to produce an item, and time is really what everything ends up being priced in.
That’s the paradox of productivity. Productivity improvements ultimately leads to cheaper prices not increased profits. Because that’s what competition is there to do. The profits can go further – in that they can buy more stuff. But capitalists like to accumulate units of account.
In essence the dynamics of pure competition leads to an oversupply in the market which brings prices down until firms start to go bust to eliminate the oversupply. Therefore market players try to stop competition happening by constantly seeking a monopoly perch on which to extract rent.
Oh boy we have we seen this happening time and time again.
The myths of free market beliefs say it all sorts itself out. It clearly doesn’t. The system has to force competition onto essentially reluctant players, and eliminating the clarion call of “what about the jobs” is one way of doing that – let bad firms go bust.
A company that can produce more with the same inputs (costs) is going to do that if there is a market for their product. That’s the huge problem, there isn’t. Because the costs is the income that is used to buy the product (in aggregate).
If you expand output then you are selling to the same income which implies the price must go down to shift the increased amount of stuff. Theoretically their competition will eventually learn how to do the same and the excess profit will disappear.
Not theoretically. That is exactly what happens. The dynamics of market share maintenance then kick in and prices go down. You get a short uplift and then a nosedive. When you’ve been in business long enough you know that getting into a niche is better than constantly trying to run up the down escalator. Because items are ultimately priced in person time used to create them. We all make plans but when it boils down to it actual demand must match actual supply at the point of effective demand – whatever the plans were.

Posted by: Derek Henry | Feb 5 2023 10:17 utc | 184

This is why nato keeps on sending obsolete crap to Ukraine instead of the good stuff and why the Russians allow the weapons to be sent to the front.

British intelligence believes that the Russian military is preparing to “catch” Western tanks, which are expected to appear in the war zone in Ukraine.
For this purpose, subdivisions are allegedly specially formed, the main task of which will be to “produce” serviceable Western-style tanks for their further study.
Note that a large reward has already been announced for the downed and captured Leopards, Challengers and Abrams.
Zin Note: I promise, that’s the last Starship Troopers reference today. Maybe.

Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 10:28 utc | 185

Posted by: Oberbayer | Feb 5 2023 9:52 utc | 181
That is interesting. What is the source?

Posted by: Haassaan | Feb 5 2023 10:29 utc | 186

Link for the above
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/32057

Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 10:29 utc | 187

@ unimperator | Feb 5 2023 10:14 utc | 185
Hier der Link zum Original:
https://hurseda.net/gundem/246987-iddia-mossad-a-gore-ukrayna-ve-rusya-kayiplari.html
Freundliche Grüße

Posted by: Oberbayer | Feb 5 2023 10:31 utc | 188

Regarding prisoners performing tasks within the framework of the SMO.
If a person, regardless of what was done earlier, atoned for his guilt with his blood and deeds, then he must be a worthy member of society. If yesterday he was convicted, and today he joined the ranks, but how many of those who were serving their sentences went to the NVO, but, unfortunately, did not return? These people also gave their lives for the defense of our Motherland, they are heroes, this should be treated normally.
Today, the truth must be told that many of the prisoners could have stayed to serve their sentences, some had a few months left, but they got up and went there. Someone gave his life, someone was injured, and someone managed to remain intact, they should be thanked, they are equal members of society. There is another point in the fact that most of those who returned home expressed a desire to stay with their families for some time, and then return to the front to continue working in the Wagner PMC.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/32060

Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 10:32 utc | 189

‼️🇺🇦💀 Massacre in Artyomovsk: A soldier of the Armed Forces of Ukraine lives on the front line in Bakhmut for 4 hours, Kyiv leaves the mobilized for slaughter.
This was stated by a Kyiv journalist after a conversation with the soldiers who are taking out the Ukrainian military. She clarified that we are talking about untrained fighters and thus confirmed that mobilized Ukrainians are being massively thrown to the slaughter.
– It seems to me that [a soldier lives] longer, – the VSU officer answers her 😂

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/32061

Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 10:35 utc | 190

I watched a video on Chinese Bilibili about Zelensky and the EU are repatriating Ukrainian refugees in the EU back into Ukraine as conscripts fed into the Russian meat grinder. Mr Z wants his cannon fodder, and the EU had enough of freeloading undesirables who should be back giving their lives for NATO to the last Ukrainian.
So if you think the morale and readiness of UA units are bad now…

Posted by: JW | Feb 5 2023 10:36 utc | 191

Video: See some militaries taking part in the

Victory Day Parade in Moscow in 2010
🇺🇦 🇵🇱 🇬🇧 🇺🇸 🇫🇷
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/43372

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 5 2023 10:39 utc | 192

CoupLeeBob, §47:
I can´t see Russia leaving ethnically Russian and historically Russian Odessa in the hands of the Ukronazis, especially after the sufferings of the Odessa population at the hands of the neo-Nazi thugs.
Furthermore, with the major port unsecured, what is to stop NATO and the NeoCon Americans shipping vast amounts of weapons through Odessa? NATO/Ukraine control of Odessa also permanently threatens the Crimea.

Posted by: John Marks | Feb 5 2023 10:40 utc | 193

With regard to the purpose of the disclosures of the Bennet interview

Colleagues correctly point out that Israel is playing softly against Zelensky (leaks).
We will point out that Israel directly hits the “hero” Ze-myth, gently lowering his authority, highlighting his lie about “a million assassination attempts”, and that he was the number one target.
Such a move is clearly coordinated with the Americans and most likely goes in the general puzzle of “Ze-drain” and forcing the President of Ukraine to purge his corrupt team and transferring a number of state internal control tools to partners.
Zelensky’s personal image positions are partially deteriorating – this became clear even at the moment when the West began to pump Zaluzhny and destroyed Zelensky’s PR monopoly in the Western press.

https://t.me/legitimniy/14709

Add to the previous publication, the fact that the PR of Commander-in-Chief Zaluzhny is intensifying in different directions, not only in the military case, but also in the public one.
Either he donated a million dollars for the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then he visited the artist’s boy, all these are links in the same chain.
According to our data, well-known PR specialists and political technologists work for him, and the final puzzle in this game will be the promotion of the message, “we need such a President – the father of the nation.”
Everyone is sure that at some point the conflict between the Office and the military will enter the public sphere. Now is just not the right time.

https://t.me/legitimniy/14710

Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 10:40 utc | 194

I read that when the Russian representative went on social media saying bounty money was available for any Russian that destroys a NATO tank, he got flooded with inquiries from Ukrainians asking if they could also get the bounty if they sabotaged or destroyed a NATO tank.
If they really do use Ukrainian crews in Leopards or Abrahmses, I wonder how much the crew could get for delivering the tank to the Russians intact.
(Of course in Putin’s salon all such bounties may be deemed “ungentlemanly”.)

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 5 2023 10:41 utc | 195

@cirsium, §49:
Ellwood is frankly psychotic, goaded by the obsessed Chris Donnelly of the “Integrity Initiative”.
With the strikes, inflation and energy and food crises hitting Britain, it is frankly mind-boggling that the British are sending £billions to Zelensky, stripping what little is left of British military forces.
What dark power do these lunatics have over what is supposed to be the “Mother of Parliaments”?

Posted by: John Marks | Feb 5 2023 10:45 utc | 196

Back in the 1920’s a guy called Hotelling started to look at Monopolistic competition in terms of location and used the example of where would 2 ice cream sellers on a beach locate themselves.
From a social point of view you would think they should locate themselves about one quarter way in on one side of the beach. The other seller would do the same at the other end of the beach. So that they divided the market in two and the consumers could access the ice cream. You would end up with a long beach with a seller at each end a quarter way in on the beach.
Hotelling then said let’s assume the ice cream sellers are mobile and one ice cream sellers moved a bit closer to the centre of the beach. In terms of distance the seller starts to steal some of the consumption of the other seller. Which then forces this other seller to move a bit closer to the middle of the beach to try and get it back.
Hotelling noticed that what happens is eventually you end up with both sellers right in the centre of the beach beside each other. Even though this is not optimal from the stand point of those consumers on the long beach that would like to buy ice cream.
The social optimum for the consumers and that is have the seller’s spread out across the beach has been destroyed by the competition between the 2 sellers. The 2 sellers now in the middle of the beach will eventually come to a monopolistic agreement regarding their prices.
Then Hotelling said what happens if a 3rd seller sets up on the beach. Everything becomes unstable as the 3 sellers set up in different places on the beach every day and prices become unstable. Until eventually what happens is all 3 end up in the same place on the beach and work together.
Why in cities you have districts that sell the same product. You would expect them to be all over the city but you end up with Jewellers all in one area. Pubs and nightclubs, shopping centres, DIY stores etc, etc.. They hate competition and come together to rig their prices.
So when you get a big 2 or 3 in any sector what do they do. What do the energy companies do ?
They head to the centre of the beach and form a MONOPOLY and work it between themselves how to extract the most rent as possible and take turns at hiking prices for their services.
They turned the public sector into a rent extracting MONOPOLY.
Remember all the companies who put their prices up right after the Brexit vote. Weetabix and the rail operators and all the rest followed for no other reason apart from greed. Then threaten investment strikes and try and hold elected governments to ransom.
The free market tooth fairy believes that people are mutable between professions at the snap of a finger. That bakers can become engineers and Marks and Spencer cleaners can become train drivers the next day. That people can be moved around like ignots of steel. They have found out the hard way this is never the case. When people are unemployed there is never a list of private sector employers sat there with cheque books at the ready. When a down turn happens unemployment spreads through communities like a virus. Regardless what the free market tooth fairy says.
Why we need a job guarentee. Not only does a JG force competition onto reluctant players. It allows companies to shed jobs while they improve their productivity. Rather than make humans unemployed as business cuts costs and improve productivity the JG catches these humans. Giving these humans time to learn new skills that makes them more attractive to different sectors in the private sector.
When Thatcher performed her HUGE transition and moved vast amounts of skills and real resources out of mining and ship building and low end manufacturing into services and high end manufacturing. She decimated large swathes of the country with long term unemployment some areas still haven’t recovered 40 years later. She thought humans are mutable between professions at the snap of a finger. That humans can be moved around like ignots of steel.
If only Thatcher had introduced a job guarentee at the same time of this huge transistion. To run along beside it, She could have done it without any job losses at all. You can bet your last $ when it comes to climate change and the massive green transition of skills and real resources that will have to take place. Those that believe in the free market tooth fairy will make the exact same mistakes again. Driven by ideology rather than common sense.

Posted by: Derek Henry | Feb 5 2023 10:52 utc | 197

what is to stop NATO and the NeoCon Americans shipping vast amounts of weapons through Odessa? NATO/Ukraine control of Odessa also permanently threatens the Crimea.
John Marks | Feb 5 2023 10:40 utc | 196
Yes, Odessa is a problem if left as is. nato/uk already is using the base in Ochakov to train and prepare attacks on Crimea. It was often hit by missiles in the past weeks and again these days. Bojo still tries.

Posted by: rk | Feb 5 2023 10:56 utc | 198

@shadowbanned, §131:
No way Russia wants the Baltics – and they have said so repeatedly.
The Baltics do themselves no favours in being so rabidly hostile to Russia.
They could have a peaceful co-existence, which is all Russia wants.
At worst Russia would blast the Baltics because of their harbouring NATO bases but the Russians won´t be interested in holding down a hostile population. They learnt that from the experience of the USSR trying to hold down eastern Europe.

Posted by: John Marks | Feb 5 2023 11:05 utc | 199

@ Derek Henry | Feb 5 2023 10:52 utc | 200

Post that crap in the correct thread, or is that too complicated for you?

Posted by: too scents | Feb 5 2023 11:07 utc | 200