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February 4, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-29
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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What’s known til today about the ‘Helicopter Crash’ near Kiew? Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 5 2023 2:45 utc | 102 @102 ‘Heli-Crash’ near Kiew Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 5 2023 2:53 utc | 103 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 5 2023 2:22 utc | 98 Posted by: experienced | Feb 5 2023 2:54 utc | 104 Because RF is not yet able to protect its Donetz (esp. Donetzk city) from permant HIMARS attacks firing on civilians, the RF won’t be able to defend Crimea too, against the newly shipped 300km range HIMARS rockets ammunitiion. Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 5 2023 3:17 utc | 106 To Johnycomelately @ 23 Posted by: Willow | Feb 5 2023 3:23 utc | 107 Around six hours or so, the Joe Rogan Experience posts a clip on YouTube that deals with the reality that Ukraine has a corruption problem that the MSM is ignoring, and it gets over four hundred thousand views. Link to the whole episode on Spotify is posted below the video there, but I’ll post it here as well for those who want a direct link to it. Posted by: Babel-17 | Feb 5 2023 3:50 utc | 108 The ukrop whos negotiating these exhanges is a better diplomat than Russia has in all of Kremlin. Time after time he manages to get double the Ukrainians released, makes Russia give them back Azov fighters and foreign mercs already sentenced to death. Replace Zelensky with this dude and he will negotiate Russian surrender before the snows melt. Posted by: HOBO 3 | Feb 5 2023 3:59 utc | 109 The Russian Federation doesn’t have the death penalty. Russian judgement of the situation will be much better than yours. Posted by: LGB! | Feb 5 2023 4:04 utc | 110 Posted by: Johnycomelately | Feb 4 2023 20:03 utc | 23
Watching the mobile targets of any weapon shipments having crossed the Polish or Romania border would be difficult because those are being transferred in hidden civilian ways. Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 5 2023 4:07 utc | 111 From now on, all further attacks by US/UK military against RF territory will be ‘handled’ via rocket strikes & SAT intel rather than fighting on ground. That’s for sure, as US intel have planned. Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 5 2023 4:15 utc | 112 Question Posted by: Jerr | Feb 5 2023 4:22 utc | 113 Re: Posted by: Anton Gorbatow | Feb 4 2023 18:23 utc | 1 Posted by: Julian | Feb 5 2023 4:29 utc | 114 Re: Posted by: mjh | Feb 4 2023 18:28 utc | 3
Not sure why you’d be surprised by this. Posted by: Julian | Feb 5 2023 4:33 utc | 115 Maneuverable & Self-Homing Krasnopol That Can ‘Demolish’ Ukraine’s Tanks
Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 5 2023 4:40 utc | 116 Re: Posted by: young | Feb 4 2023 19:12 utc | 17
The fevered rantings and delusions of a lunatic. Posted by: Julian | Feb 5 2023 4:43 utc | 117 Latest Gonzalo Lira Roundtable with Brian Berletic… Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 5 2023 4:59 utc | 118 Note once more, the battles on ground with all the heavy losses of men on each side won’t going on longer of a period of several weeks. That makes no sense on either side. Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 5 2023 5:10 utc | 119
The Russians also have 9M55K1, 9M55K6, 9M526, 9M532 and 9M533 rounds for Tornado-S. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 5:12 utc | 120 What is an American? Depends on whether they are North or South Americans, but mostly I believe it is like the misnomer of a US citizen, someone born in the United States of America, albeit, since they believe they own all America that is what they call themselves. Posted by: Arcticman | Feb 5 2023 5:12 utc | 121 Jeer – I did hear Lavrov state that Moldova could be next if they weren’t careful. I remember too about the Soviet-era stockpiles and so I agree that may be why the Ukes’ want Moldova (for the stockpiles). Getting my popcorn ready! Posted by: LGB! | Feb 5 2023 5:14 utc | 122 “by: Likklemore | Feb 4 2023 20:52 utc | 37” Posted by: Dalit | Feb 5 2023 5:16 utc | 123
It is not a technical problem. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 5:19 utc | 124 @Buffalo_Ken@19:17 Posted by: amesmoose | Feb 5 2023 5:26 utc | 125
They are not getting ATACMS yet, they are getting GLSDB, with a 150-km range. And as far as I understand it, the GLSDB are not actually compatible with HIMARS, they will be launched from a different platform. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 5:27 utc | 126
Whichever rational way you look at it, the most beneficial thing to do for Ukraine would have been to just reconstitute the USSR with Belarus and Russia. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 5:31 utc | 127
In the long term Russia needs to recover the Baltics. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 5:34 utc | 128 The level of idiotic military incompetence is strong in this thread. Between the regular trolls and the concern trolls there isn’t much left to read. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 5 2023 5:35 utc | 129
That is not a solution, as we get to revisit every other day here. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 5:41 utc | 130 @ 126 Posted by: Golddiggr | Feb 5 2023 5:48 utc | 131
Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 5:48 utc | 132 and even some such as Bob Dylan, who though still producing at the age of 80 with such memorable takes such as “he not busy being born is busy dying”. Posted by: Roadblock | Feb 5 2023 5:50 utc | 133 Military Summary thinks that a major Russion offensive will start in a few days. Does anyone have any thoughts about this? Posted by: team10tim | Feb 5 2023 5:53 utc | 134
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/43357
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/31989
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/31991 Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 5:54 utc | 135
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/31993 Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 5:56 utc | 136
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/31999 Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 5:57 utc | 137
Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 6:02 utc | 138
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/43368 Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 6:04 utc | 139 Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 5:19 utc | 127
Ok, thanks for your detailled explanation acc.to rocket specs and its launch systems (HIMARS vs. others old once). Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 5 2023 6:05 utc | 140
There was always a solution to that too. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 6:09 utc | 141 Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 6:09 utc | 144
Ok dear Master, have understood. ‘The terror bombing will stop’, promise you, but will stop from side of the UKR Cock-Piano player against the Denetsk-City .. Ok so far, dear master? Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 5 2023 6:24 utc | 142 Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 6:09 utc | 144 Posted by: Brother Ma | Feb 5 2023 6:31 utc | 143 @ Roadblock | Feb 5 2023 5:50 utc | 136 with the ignorance spewing from their keyboard Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 5 2023 6:34 utc | 144 You come out and declare that for each strike on civilians in Donetsk, such and such object of major significance (we’re talking key administrative buildings) or a high-ranking Ukrainian official will be evaporated by a missile strike. With Zelensky and Zaluzhny, who are responsible for those strikes, and are thus war criminals and terrorists by any reasonable definition of the terms, thus can be taken out with no qualms, quite high on that list. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 5 2023 6:36 utc | 145 You need the civilians to feel pain until THEY put the pressure on the Ukro gov not to bomb Russianspeaking Loyalists of the Pre Maidan government. Why do this? Stopping their water means there will be no blood to show on tv cameras , and the Russians can always have plausible deniability if the desire it.” We didnt do it” .You ukros destroyed your water facilities with your own missiles by accident or via neglect. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 5 2023 6:41 utc | 146 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 5 2023 6:41 utc | 149
A resistance is not only an action with a AK4x in your hands. Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 5 2023 6:56 utc | 147
Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 7:07 utc | 148
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/32025 Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 7:09 utc | 149 Tom Collins 38 Posted by: IAN WRIGHT | Feb 5 2023 7:14 utc | 150 Down South – @151/152 Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 5 2023 7:19 utc | 151
It is precisely because vague threats about “red lines” were repeatedly made and not acted upon that Western tanks, jets and long-range missiles will soon be killing Russians again, 80 years later.
Leadership would not be top of the list, some buildings would be the first half a dozen targets. To show seriousness and give them time to stop.
Administrative buildings are stationary targets. There is no intelligence needed to blow up the Verkhovna Rada building in Kiev. After literally thousands of precise long-range missile strikes much further than Kiev, it is obviously within their technical means to do it. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 7:55 utc | 152 “Young might have a valid reason for his opinion. If you read Revelation 17 and 18… Posted by: Dalit | Feb 5 2023 7:58 utc | 153 Dalit | Feb 5 2023 7:58 utc | 156 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 5 2023 8:09 utc | 154 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 5 2023 6:41 utc | 149 Posted by: Brother Ma | Feb 5 2023 8:32 utc | 155 @Down South | Feb 5 2023 7:09 utc | 152
So, if this is true there is no doubt that it is the US that is the aggressor in Ukraine since the bloody coup in 2014, and has been dictating the “government” of Ukraine ever since. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 5 2023 8:39 utc | 156
It has probably ended whatever industrial production there was left in Ukraine. Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 8:52 utc | 157 It is reported that during the night strikes in the area of Chasov Yar, Druzhkovka, as well as in Kherson, several dozens of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and various equipment were destroyed. The strikes in the area of Chasov Yar and Druzhkovka are designed to inflict damage on the enemy reserves being transferred to Artemovsk, which are thrown into the furnace of battle for the city and adjacent villages. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 5 2023 8:55 utc | 158 So, the US shoots down a Chinese weather balloon over US territory. Surely this sets the precedent for the shooting down and otherwise destroying of US property overflying or entering other countries without their prior position. Posted by: Vragtes | Feb 5 2023 8:57 utc | 159 Looks like UAF is hell-bent and committed to stand the ground to the last. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 5 2023 8:58 utc | 160 Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 5 2023 4:07 utc | 114 Posted by: Tim | Feb 5 2023 8:59 utc | 161 Posted by: Tim | Feb 5 2023 8:59 utc | 164 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 5 2023 9:03 utc | 162 @unimperator | Feb 5 2023 9:03 utc | 165
Indeed, why use an expensive long distance weapon when you can simply let them use a lot of fuel and effort to bring it close, and then take it out with a cheap Geranium or something equivalent. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 5 2023 9:08 utc | 163 Posted by: IAN WRIGHT | Feb 5 2023 7:14 utc | 153 Posted by: Tim | Feb 5 2023 9:08 utc | 164
Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 9:20 utc | 165 Little bit more info on the interview mentioned above
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/43390 Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 9:23 utc | 166
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/32036
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/32037 Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 9:27 utc | 167
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/32038 Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 9:28 utc | 168
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/32043 Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 9:30 utc | 169 A case of Whom the gods wish to destroy, they first drive mad? Posted by: jpc | Feb 5 2023 9:30 utc | 170
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/32044 Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 9:31 utc | 171 shadowbanned Posted by: Milites | Feb 5 2023 9:35 utc | 172 Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 5 2023 5:41 utc | 133 Posted by: Pete Jones | Feb 5 2023 9:40 utc | 173 @Down South | Feb 5 2023 9:23 utc | 169
Zelensky clearly trusts the word of Putin with his own life. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 5 2023 9:44 utc | 174 Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 5 2023 8:39 utc | 159 Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 9:47 utc | 175 A letter appeared on social media sent to “sponsor/host” of Ukr refugees in UK. Must provide info and current location of male refugees from Ukr aged 18+ Posted by: rk | Feb 5 2023 9:51 utc | 176 Tim, Posted by: Derek Henry | Feb 5 2023 9:52 utc | 177 According to the claim, the field data for January 14, 2023, based on Israeli intelligence, are as follows: Posted by: Oberbayer | Feb 5 2023 9:52 utc | 178 The electrical grid itself is kind of a pointless target, it has little military value. An army doesn’t need civilian infrastructure to function. Posted by: Haassaan | Feb 5 2023 9:54 utc | 179 Just when I think society can’t get any more stupid, @Detek Henry comes along @180 Posted by: PalmaSailor | Feb 5 2023 9:57 utc | 180 PalmaSailor Posted by: Derek Henry | Feb 5 2023 10:02 utc | 181 Posted by: Oberbayer | Feb 5 2023 9:52 utc | 181 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 5 2023 10:14 utc | 182 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 5 2023 10:14 utc | 185 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 5 2023 10:16 utc | 183 Palma Sailor Posted by: Derek Henry | Feb 5 2023 10:17 utc | 184 This is why nato keeps on sending obsolete crap to Ukraine instead of the good stuff and why the Russians allow the weapons to be sent to the front.
Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 10:28 utc | 185 Posted by: Oberbayer | Feb 5 2023 9:52 utc | 181 Posted by: Haassaan | Feb 5 2023 10:29 utc | 186 Link for the above Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 10:29 utc | 187 @ unimperator | Feb 5 2023 10:14 utc | 185 Posted by: Oberbayer | Feb 5 2023 10:31 utc | 188
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/32060 Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 10:32 utc | 189
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/32061 Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 10:35 utc | 190 I watched a video on Chinese Bilibili about Zelensky and the EU are repatriating Ukrainian refugees in the EU back into Ukraine as conscripts fed into the Russian meat grinder. Mr Z wants his cannon fodder, and the EU had enough of freeloading undesirables who should be back giving their lives for NATO to the last Ukrainian. Posted by: JW | Feb 5 2023 10:36 utc | 191 Video: See some militaries taking part in the
Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 5 2023 10:39 utc | 192 CoupLeeBob, §47: Posted by: John Marks | Feb 5 2023 10:40 utc | 193 With regard to the purpose of the disclosures of the Bennet interview
Posted by: Down South | Feb 5 2023 10:40 utc | 194 I read that when the Russian representative went on social media saying bounty money was available for any Russian that destroys a NATO tank, he got flooded with inquiries from Ukrainians asking if they could also get the bounty if they sabotaged or destroyed a NATO tank. Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 5 2023 10:41 utc | 195 @cirsium, §49: Posted by: John Marks | Feb 5 2023 10:45 utc | 196 Back in the 1920’s a guy called Hotelling started to look at Monopolistic competition in terms of location and used the example of where would 2 ice cream sellers on a beach locate themselves. Posted by: Derek Henry | Feb 5 2023 10:52 utc | 197 what is to stop NATO and the NeoCon Americans shipping vast amounts of weapons through Odessa? NATO/Ukraine control of Odessa also permanently threatens the Crimea. Posted by: rk | Feb 5 2023 10:56 utc | 198 @shadowbanned, §131: Posted by: John Marks | Feb 5 2023 11:05 utc | 199 @ Derek Henry | Feb 5 2023 10:52 utc | 200 Posted by: too scents | Feb 5 2023 11:07 utc | 200 |
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