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February 2, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-28
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please remove the anti khazar hate speeches now my life already or pay us compensation
Posted by: benji bj klein | Feb 2 2023 23:25 utc | 95
Please grow up all of you, If you don’t like or agree with something said ignore it, go elsewhere or intelligently refute it. Stop crying censorship for your ” tender sensibilities”. Stop whining.
We are all adults. We can determine for ourselves what we believe or don’t believe. We don’t need you on patrol to police what’s being written. You are the same people that feel there has to be a nannystate over everything. No one has to pay ” you” back for anything. This isn’t your site. If your that much of a pansy and can’t handle it go to some flowery site. If you are the one that can be goaded into thinking something or feeling something because of what they said then you are the problem. All this BS about everything being hate speech is ridiculous government propaganda nonsense that you are to stupid to recognize. If I say you are a F’n idiot and some other thing about you its not “hate speech” there is no such thing. It’s just an insult. Move on and get a backbone. No one said you have to be liked by everybody and no one said you have to like everybody. It’s called life.
Posted by: ArvadaSun | Feb 3 2023 7:37 utc | 201
@wagelaborer | Feb 2 2023 18:54 utc | 23
As long as Turkey is able to responds to and manage significant threats of violence and insurrection from American assets including the Kurds,it is probably in Turkey’s best interests to remain in NATO where it can veto NATO expansion and avoid sanctions on itself,
Posted by: Hermit | Feb 3 2023 7:22 utc | 202
Yes, it is much safer for Turkey inside NATO. And Russia will work with them anyway, which is even better.
Somewhat like it is probably better for Hungary & Serbia to be inside the EU than out, at the moment.
Membership makes it unseemly to attack them too directly. Hence all the moralizing.
The manner in which the relationship between Putin & Erdogan has evolved over the last 20 years or so is very interesting too. One could say they have grown together over time, under our “influence”.
Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 3 2023 7:55 utc | 202
luiscborges @46
Its author, Barry R. Posen (Rand, CFR, MIT, Woodrow Wilson Foundation), belongs to the leather-armchair school of strategy the US so excels in: arranging for others to die for the US living standard.
Something fishy there. How come this “American concept for Ukraine” was originally published in Russian?! As stated on the title page in the PDF file.
A DEFENSE CONCEPT FOR UKRAINE
Originally published only in Russian
Posted by: Nomad | Feb 3 2023 7:57 utc | 203
The war is not over yet, but the outcome is already clear. Ukraine has lost.
Why do I say this? Because, at the end of the day, Russia will have imposed its will on Ukraine while Ukraine will have achieved almost none of the goals – other than survival – it is pursuing on the battlefield and at the negotiating table.
But here’s the truly bitter truth: In broad brush strokes at least, the most-likely post-war settlement is pretty much the same as the settlement that was on offer before the bloodletting began in earnest on Feb. 24.
Different choices could have resulted in a pre-war settlement that would have been almost indistinguishable from the most likely post-war settlement, minus only the untold death and destruction visited on Ukraine these past weeks and months. In that sense, and only in that limited sense, there’s plenty of blame to go around.
Posted by: Down South | Feb 3 2023 8:15 utc | 204
Belogorovka has been liberated – the fighting is approaching Seversk again
Acting Mayor of Lysichansk Andriy Skoryy said that the Ukrainian invaders left their positions in the village of Belogorovka (the upper of the two Belogorovka, in the vicinity of Lysichansk, with the liberation of which in the summer the territory of the LPR was completely cleared), captured in the fall.
The withdrawal from Belogorovka may mean that the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is aware of the real risks that the offensive of Wagner attack aircraft from the south, from Soledar, poses to Seversk. Their progress remains dynamic, settlements are gradually taken one after another.
The growing threat to Seversk may force the Armed Forces of Ukraine to finally abandon plans to attack the north of the LPR. Moreover, the Russian army is advancing from the other side of Seversk – there the Russian army is advancing in the area of Chervonaya Dibrova, Boris Rozhin reports.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/31829
Posted by: Down South | Feb 3 2023 8:17 utc | 205
@mimu | Feb 2 2023 21:50 utc | 64
B is not a 24 hour service and nobody is offering a response time guarantee. B has repeatedly deleted this troll’s noxious droppings and you can confidently expect them to vanish from the pages of time at some point 8m the future.
However, this is a bar, not an airport. Departure clearance is nether required nor expected. As such, your departure, which makes no sense, because why would somebody sensible deprive themselves of participation in the valuable interactions of the bar because somebody threw up on the floor, something that happens in even the best bars from time to time, did not need an announcement, and your declaration of your impending departure might be seen as an attempt to compel or shame our gracious host into doing what you want at your demand, which would be almost as impolite and uncivilized as Yaaqov’s (pronounced ‘Jack-off) unloved post.
Posted by: Hermit | Feb 3 2023 8:18 utc | 206
For an overview of the WunderWaffe mindset and how these people have convinced themselves that machines matter, not manpower see
https://dailysceptic.org/2023/02/02/no-ukraine-isnt-losing-and-stalemate-isnt-inevitable/
For this mindset to crack, much machinery will have to be destroyed.
They still believe Russia cannot produce anything.
Posted by: The Accountant | Feb 3 2023 8:18 utc | 207
“The Carpathians will soon be bald there,” Putin said.
Posted by: Down South | Feb 3 2023 5:42 utc | 182
One of the biggest wood importers from Carpathians, not only Ukr side, is Austria
Posted by: rk | Feb 3 2023 8:19 utc | 208
https://twitter.com/baronitaigas/status/1621299116415352833 – Baron of the Taiga tweet
The Ukrainian army has been using the Tinder dating app as an entrapment tool for giving young men conscription summons
crafty
Posted by: Aslangeo | Feb 3 2023 8:25 utc | 209
FYI I my Telegram problems vanished when I changed the Language to Russian. I’m using a Linux laptop , from Finland.
Please B, remove urgently this antisemitic bullshit posted by: Jack | Feb 2 2023 17:49 utc | 1
Posted by: Pnyx | Feb 2 2023 17:59 utc | 2
Quite agree, it’s obviously a provocateur posing as a swivel-eyed loon.
Posted by: Squeeth | Feb 3 2023 8:32 utc | 211
For this mindset to crack, much machinery will have to be destroyed.
They still believe Russia cannot produce anything.
Posted by: The Accountant | Feb 3 2023 8:18 utc | 209
That willingness to throw away manpower in an attempt to overwhelm machines of war is a hallmark of the last centuries of western wars. WWI and US Civil Wars are both good examples. They lose that way and keep on doing it.
“Dead battles, like dead generals, hole the military mind in their dead grip.” — Barbara Tuchman (from memory)
And of course it is crazy, mad as can be. I’ve always found it breathtakingly stupid, mind-boggling, and of course evil, and bad too. All my respect for our elites evaporated when I read about those wars, long ago.
Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 3 2023 8:37 utc | 212
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 3 2023 7:05 utc | 199
Everyone has an opinion. Everyone has an asshole. They are both equally important.
If I were running this blog, there would be no comments. In fact, I advise b to do that. If someone wants to comment or supply new facts, post it on their blog and send a link to b. If b deigns to pay attention to it, he can reference or comment on it here, otherwise ignore it if it’s BS or trolling.
Opening your opinions to comments is just asking for trouble. This is the lesson of the Internet – which no one, including me, has learned.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 3 2023 8:44 utc | 213
Posted by: Down South | Feb 3 2023 8:15 utc | 206
Latham: “the most-likely post-war settlement is pretty much the same as the settlement that was on offer before the bloodletting began in earnest on Feb. 24.”
Is he going to be surprised. No, no it will not.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 3 2023 8:46 utc | 214
Posted by: Hermit | Feb 3 2023 8:18 utc | 208
Good simile.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 3 2023 8:47 utc | 215
“If I were running this blog, there would be no comments.”
Richard Steven Hack | Feb 3 2023 8:44 utc | 215
I wonder if that would that be by choice of the readers. 🙂
Cheers RSH!
Posted by: waynorinorway | Feb 3 2023 9:25 utc | 216
multiply | Feb 3 2023 9:14 utc | 218
“B has repeatedly deleted this troll’s noxious droppings and you can confidently expect them to vanish from the pages of time at some point 8m the future.”
And what if B has gone away for the weekend and left the site on auto-pilot?”
Then I guess for some here there’s nothing left but suicide, to judge from their hysteria over this.
Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 3 2023 9:30 utc | 217
Oops
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Russian engineers led by Ph.D. Alexei Tsarkov have found that it is possible to pinpoint the location of Starlink terminals, after which their destruction becomes a matter of technology. And without the space Internet, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be problematic to fight.
It is called a domestic development – a mobile sounding complex “Borshchevik “. It is able to detect and determine the location of Starlink terminals in a 180 degree sector at a distance of up to 10 km.
The bearing of the location of Starlink subscriber devices is carried out with a sufficiently high accuracy. Aiming time at one point – less than two minutes, and a full scan, taking into account moving to another point, takes about 15 minutes. At the same time, the coordinates of at least 64 Starlink terminals are determined.
Posted by: mo3 | Feb 3 2023 9:37 utc | 218
There are Norwegians fighting on both sides of the conflict. Imagine they meet up in Norway…..
🇷🇺🇺🇦🇳🇴 Mercenaries from Norway are crippled in the battles for Artyomovsk
Sander Sjorsven Trelvik and Simon Johnsen call themselves “medical volunteers” but forgot to take down the flag of the Nazi Right Sector group. On Thursday, they received the task of evacuating, where they came under fire from Russian troops.
“They bombed the same place twice. Then they started shelling the area when they saw that we had survived,” the mercenary said and added that several people who were with him and Trelwick died.
Trelwick received burns up to 40% of his body and shrapnel wounds. They were sent to the Dnepropetrovsk hospital with Johnsen. The Norwegian authorities are preparing the evacuation of the wounded through Poland home.
Posted by: Down South | Feb 3 2023 9:43 utc | 219
Therefore it seems clear that his [Ramzan Kadyrov] appointment was a political decision by Putin, nothing more.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 3 2023 3:00 utc | 144
The appointment of Ramzan Kadyrov as colonel general allows Kadyrov to say to the Chechen troops: I have your back. Also, the appointment of Kadyrov allows solving issues regarding Chechen soldiers within the army; no need to escalate to the Russian Federal government. This is a useful thing to have.
Posted by: Passerby | Feb 3 2023 9:46 utc | 220
Dmitry Medvedev wrote about Ursula VDL’s visit to Kiev :
The Kiev regime, supported by its Western handlers, is fighting Russia “until victory,” and the economy of this unhappy territory is rapidly turning into a stinking husk. Even those countries that promise the Ukrainian regime recovery and eternal European love are openly talking about this.
Here is a brief diagnosis of the Ukrainian economy’s illness, based on Goldman Sachs’ medical data. a few striking figures that characterize the disease.
1. Ukraine has now lost the territories that provided it with about 40% of its national industrial potential and about 15% of its pre-war GDP.
2. It no longer has access to over $12 trillion worth of mineral reserves. Including 63% of coal deposits and 42% of metals.
3. Agriculture is heading into the abyss on all fumes. First, a steep drop in the harvest 🌾of Wheat: 19.4 million tons in 2022 versus 32.5 million in 2021. Corn: 18.4 million tons to 35.1 million
Second, overland routes through Poland and Romania led to a 2- to 3-fold increase in transportation costs.
4. At the end of 2022, Ukraine’s GDP declined by 35–36%. And its total losses from the collision with Russia reached 830–850 billion dollars. And this despite the fact that in 2021 the country’s GDP was 200 billion dollars. Even their Ministry of Economy had to recognize this record-breaking fall as the worst result in the history of the country.
5. Next only the final collapse of industry, hyperinflation, poverty, and total unemployment The national debt of the country will grow from $107 billion to $180 billion—$200 billion—by the end of the year. There is little hope for even a microscopic recovery.
Obviously, Russia will continue to work to achieve the goals of a special military operation. This means that Ukraine’s GDP may collapse by another 5–10% by the end of this year. Therefore, the prospect of the complete bankruptcy of the Ukrainian state and its inevitable end is becoming increasingly clear.
Who is to blame? is a rhetorical question. As the spiteful midwife Ursula von Something Incomprehensible honestly admitted, the Ukrainian government pays for its membership in the EU and NATO with the lives of its citizens. Let’s not talk about this miserable economy. The Kiev regime is not embarrassed by the ruin of the country. It continues to squander its territory with exorbitant military expenditures. on the assumption that the West will always give them some money.
It will not let all the embezzlers, who share the Western money, go hungry. This year, the Ukrainian budget will have to spend $55 billion with a deficit of $38 billion just for urgent needs. It is clear that the more support there is, the more will be stolen by the insane clown and other parasites, sick with an open form of kleptomania.
Only the longer the leaders of the Ukrainian Nazis will nag and steal aid from their donors, the closer the final collapse of the economy will come. After all, they will have to pay for the treatment in full. And the goal of the Western aestheticians is not to cure the economy of the unhappy country. The West has a rich experience of killing test countries.
The West is not the good Dr. Aibolit, but Dr. Mengele. He is a sinister doctor-killer. Therefore, Ukraine will face the sad fate of those colonies that were once raped in the most perverse form and then dumped to die in the rotting dustbin of history.
The sadistic treatment of Ukraine’s economy will take place gradually. First is the amputation of industry and the agrarian sector. Then came the paralysis of the economy as a whole. And then came the organic death of the rest of the country.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/31830
Posted by: Down South | Feb 3 2023 9:47 utc | 221
I have refrained from commenting on this post for several reasons.
Jack @ 1 is there to provoke.
I recomend people read my 3 comments 2 Uqraine threads ago, they will neatly explain why this thread is so toxic.
Nazi speech is not free speech.
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We can only speculate why he has left a turd on his front door step like that.
So i will…
Could it be that the end of the Saker blog over his retaining green card status has hit b badly. I could understand that.
B has frequently removed comments from his blog, so the free speech issue does not stand up.
As some here know I was warning about the rise of facism in the west several years ago, right on this blog, some still today flatly denied it. And it was me that had my posts removed. And banned for a while.
Anyone remember ? Crickets.
not having commented so far in the hope that the clever clever people would speak up (sadly not) more crickets.
Both I, the old time regulars here and b know full well who is behind this present troll attack…
Their Trump supporters far right white extremist.
We recognise the names from here in the one year campaign for trumps secound term as president.
b and alot of overs here supported that campaign. Hense the turd left on the door step on this thread.
Read my last 3 posts two threads ago I regret not adding blogs to the list of hosts that nazi parasites infest.
I won’t be responding to any flak.
Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 3 2023 9:47 utc | 222
@ The Accountant | Feb 3 2023 8:18 utc | 209
Um, er, thank you for an ‘interesting‘ read from dailyskeptic.org. Not what one was anticipating at all.
Astounding. Regurgitated & cobbled together out of whole cloth directly from the worst, most outlandish, Ukrainian propaganda tropes & fabrications. Has not a clue what ‘Reconnaissance by Fire’ is, even though he embeds a reference, nor obviously, willfully, pretty much anything else relevant to his articles content. Verifiable facts or primary sources nor corroborated data, are not only beyond him, but to be deliberately studiously avoided. Perceive a comfortable, contented, disingenuous dissembler.
MSM_of_Lies, what a putrid sewer it has become. At least encouraging to see the commenters eviscerate the stooge, along with massive down-voting.
@ Bemildred | Feb 3 2023 8:37 utc | 214
We are all but sheeple, work-units & cannon-fodder to the Vampyres. Utter contempt for human life, even their ‘own’ soldiers/civilians. A lesson hard learned. ‘Tis large part of why they cannot ken RF’s strategy, tactics, goals & responses.
@ mo3 | Feb 3 2023 9:37 utc | 221
Have seen commentary re this, an anticipated eventuality for some time, given AFUs high dependence on it for C2. Do you have a reliable/credible source/reference ?
Posted by: waynorinorway | Feb 3 2023 9:25 utc | 219
“I wonder if that would that be by choice of the readers. :-)”
Probably. Oh, well, you know what I say: Fuck ’em if they can’t take a joke. 🙂
Posted by: Passerby | Feb 3 2023 9:46 utc | 223
Good points.
Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 3 2023 9:47 utc | 225
Simplest explanation is one of two: 1) b is busy and hasn’t been reviewing yet, or 2) b doesn’t give a shit. I prefer 1).
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 3 2023 9:50 utc | 224
So a revolution in the world order is underway. But don’t make the mistake of thinking that Chinese hegemony will be better than American. Russia needs to be guided back to the west. I sense the metaphorical sound of pennies dropping in washington and the eu.
Posted by: Oh | Feb 3 2023 2:50 utc | 142
The people running the trans Atlantic circus need to be replaced with real politik pragmatics.
A demented group of ideological dinosaurs have brought the political landscape back to a 50s pastiche.
Who have a demonstrated congenital incapability of adherence to treatys and agreements.
Not what the world needs anymore!
Posted by: jpc | Feb 3 2023 9:58 utc | 225
Posted by: jpc | Feb 3 2023 9:58 utc | 228
“Revolution” is underway. Lockdown was developed by Rumsfeld under Bush Era so Pentagram could impose control. It has backfired spectacularly creating Labour Shortages every sector in every Western economy as people “retire” or simply “withdraw”.
Now with rising Profit Margins in Fossil Fuel Sectors and Food Manufacturing/Retailing the Workforce is rebelling and seeking to reverse the Capture of GDP Gains since 1980s by Capital.
It is time for RE-Unionisation and Recapture of GDP Share by Labour and reduction in excessive rates of Profit captured by tax-exile corporations impoverishing Western societies.
The MIC is seeking more Supernormal Rent as is Big Pharma and they bought Big Government BUT the days of bloated Defence are over – burning in Ukraine. The politics of Elites is at an end.
Ukraine has shown the Ultimate Endgame of Western Oligarchy – Libya, Yemen, Iraq – the extraction of any Equity and the injection of Debt Slavery.
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 3 2023 10:15 utc | 226
From SF:
” ‘Protect the native Polish lands. Become a tank driver. Protect Poland in Ukraine,’ reads the advertisement in the Polish metro.”
I read earlier that Polish tank-crews were resigning rather than serve in Ukraine, which surprised me by its news that tank-crews could resign (that sounds almost civilized).
Posted by: John Kennard | Feb 3 2023 10:23 utc | 227
Suresh # 146 and others……
Putin (Stalingrad celebration)………………………….” Yet we have something to respond with, and……”
Since yesterday I wonder what Putin means by saying “something to respond with…”
Does Putin mean nuclear power or something else?
I hope he means de-dollarization and, in particular, non-fiat but resource-based reserve money
Posted by: FZappa | Feb 3 2023 10:25 utc | 228
Bloomberg published another article on Ukraine. It says that the leadership of the US and the EU believes that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will leave Bakhmut, and the weapons transferred to Ukraine will not help to achieve an advantage over the Russian army
For once, common sense appeared. Only in order for them to give some result, you need to think more and try to predict what will happen next. But the train of thought is correct. The Armed Forces of Ukraine will not actually be able to gain an advantage over the Russian army, even if Ukraine receives not only long-range missiles, but also aircraft.
The only thing that this can affect is the duration of hostilities, but this is not obvious. Western leaders completely miss such a factor as the internal situation in Ukraine. The economy, people’s moods and many more variables that are very necessary in this complex equation. And the problem cannot be solved without them.
And with these variables everything is very, very bad. As for the Ukrainian economy, it is already on an artificial respiration apparatus and is supported only by the money of the West. It is clear that this money can be printed endlessly, but the West understands what this will lead to for their own economies. This Ukraine is too heavy a burden, and it is getting heavier every day.
Even the word crisis is not suitable for the situation in the Ukrainian energy sector. Everything is very bad here, and with each Russian missile strike it gets worse. And the problem is that the West cannot help with the repair, because you need certain equipment, which is not available in the West. They just have different standards.
The mood of the people will soon be called a mass depression. Of course, the Ukrainian media are brainwashing people, flooding them with endless peremoga, but there is already so much of this drug that it simply does not work. People see what is.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/31834
Posted by: Down South | Feb 3 2023 10:26 utc | 229
@ Richard Steven Hack | Feb 3 2023 8:44 utc | 215
You are aware that this blog _began_ as migration- and rallying-point for Bilmon’s commentariat?
Posted by: John Kennard | Feb 3 2023 10:27 utc | 230
@ FZappa | Feb 3 2023 10:25 utc | 231
My take was those poor tanks would never make it to see an RF tank.
Posted by: John Kennard | Feb 3 2023 10:36 utc | 231
OP omitted Emil Maurice who was Supreme SA Leader and then later on 2nd in SS behind Hitler. Maurice’s background is discussed on his wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Maurice
Posted by: H.Uman | Feb 3 2023 10:46 utc | 232
I read earlier that Polish tank-crews were resigning rather than serve in Ukraine, which surprised me by its news that tank-crews could resign (that sounds almost civilized).
Well if you look at the ICC in The Hague and the legal position you would be a VERY STUPID soldier to enter Ukraine if your country was not “at war” and a Belligerent.
There is a problem for Soldiers – with very heavy penalties – who breach such legal restrictions and the Politicians will sell them down the river – as Blair did to British soldiers serving in Iraq – they went on trial in Courts in Britain to avoid them being tried in The Hague
YOU watch EU and US politicians sell out these soldiers the minute it is opportune and leave them to hire their own lawyers and waste years in court………it is exactly what happened to British soldiers sent to Iraq and to Afghanistan……..and it is why SAS is now on the hook for what happened in Afghanistan – and some of those SAS units were “Reservists”
Polish tank crews are not willing to be commanded by Ukrainians fighting Russians for a regime in Warsaw which faced oblivion at any election
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 3 2023 10:51 utc | 233
@ John Kennard | Feb 3 2023 10:27 utc | 233
Was subsequently shuttered, and this incarnation is a successful reboot.
Then I guess for some here there’s nothing left but suicide, to judge from their hysteria over this.
Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 3 2023 9:30 utc | 220
Haha! No doubt, move on people. Not the first troll to make an appearance here and not even the most obnoxious.
Posted by: Haassaan | Feb 3 2023 10:58 utc | 235
I read earlier that Polish tank-crews were resigning rather than serve in Ukraine, which surprised me by its news that tank-crews could resign (that sounds almost civilized).
Posted by: John Kennard | Feb 3 2023 10:23 utc | 230
I don’t believe one can resign from the Polish Military, but one can choose not to re-sign (reenlist) when a soldier’s contract comes to an end.
This is happening in the USA at a pretty high-rate, experienced soldiers who are miffed about political developments choose not to reenlist.
I could be wrong, but Poland’s military is set up in a similar manner to USA.
Posted by: Haassaan | Feb 3 2023 11:06 utc | 236
168:
The perception of Maria Zaharova’s contribution on German tanks poised to roam towards the East by Western busybodies in MSM and politics lingers at unimaginable distance from any human reasoning. “They know not shame, nor what it is to blush”.
Posted by: BoKarBo | Feb 3 2023 11:12 utc | 237
Was subsequently shuttered, and this incarnation is a successful reboot.
Posted by: Outraged | Feb 3 2023 10:56 utc | 237
Yes. And you were there!
(been readin’ archives, heh)
Posted by: waynorinorway | Feb 3 2023 11:17 utc | 238
I am pretty surprised by the Turkish purchasing ex US F16s. Single engine fighters that are so outdated with high mileage on their airframes. I understand they already have F16s so I guess it’s easier for maintenance spares etc. it’s only the US MIC that will loose money , and hopefully a switch to Russian Su35s will stick another finger up to the US.
Posted by: Scot1and | Feb 3 2023 11:21 utc | 239
filthy lies the polish people are joing in the many thousands to join the tank battles.
if you want an insight into are skills watch the movie battle of britain without the polish fighter pilots the uk would have been holorcausted like the israeli people where.
if the polish people can fly spitfires and hurracainose it will be a walk in the park with great british and usa usa german tanks.
have faith in the polish people to save the world again and again and again.
we must not be divided by the evil doers in hungary and moscow
Posted by: schamek m | Feb 3 2023 11:23 utc | 240
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 3 2023 6:42 utc | 196
Yep good post, Kadyrov isn’t privy to top level strategy.
Putin and his crew are way, way smarter than any one here, and it isn’t even close. We will never have access to a fraction of the data they have nor the military education.
Kadyrov and Prigozhin both have their roles to play, their critiques of the Russian Armies performance is way overblown. Guys like Tex and Dima can’t comprehend anything beyond the tactical level, and that is fine, that is what their roles demand.
Putin and his staff expect to have to directly fight NATO, realizing that makes analyzing Russia’s overall strategy easier.
Another thing that is commonly overlooked here, and leads to some bad analysis is a general underestimation of NATO(USA) military power in relation to Russia’s.
Posted by: Haassaan | Feb 3 2023 11:25 utc | 241
“Your attitude about the Donbass militias demonstrates an ignorance of the Ukraine war against the Donbass where the militias were able to defeat the best units of the Ukraine army”
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 3 2023 6:07 utc | 190
That is a terrible point and entirely false. Ukraine’s army in 2014 was a broken and generally pathetic with a handful of good units and assorted Nazi militias of varying quality. The best Ukrainian units weren’t involved in the Donbass but were stationed further west in case Russia sent in their military.
The military NATO build over the ensuing years is solid. This leads to the question of whether or not Russia should have went in in 2014, a valid question, but I think Putin made the right call. This has always been about NATO(USA), and Russia was not ready to fight them in 2014…and still might not be.
In Debaltseve and the Donbass airport Russian Special Ops were needed to turn the tide.
That said, the DPR Militia’s are solid and professional with a lot of combat experience. They are an asset Putin has leaned on.
Posted by: Haassaan | Feb 3 2023 11:34 utc | 243
Re John Kennard 10:23 utc
Tank crews are in some ways alike to the former mounted knights in heavy metal armor. They have a say in warfare and in their own participation, whereas the pawns had none.
Less poetically perhaps :The Polish Army has no interest in forming and relying upon unmotivated tank crews.
Posted by: lahire | Feb 3 2023 11:52 utc | 244
For those interested in the bigger picture, there is an interesting new article on The New Kremlin Stooge website about the US failure to defeat Russia in the Ukraine and the likely implications of the growing Russia-China military alliance:
https://thenewkremlinstooge.wordpress.com/2023/01/31/the-smile-on-the-face-of-the-dragon
Posted by: B. Wildered | Feb 3 2023 11:56 utc | 245
Catilina @ 212
Thank you for confirming my suspicions
If RF had a clue about information operations this would change. They do not have a clue.
Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 3 2023 11:59 utc | 246
@ Chevrus | Feb 2 2023 19:14 utc | 29
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One positive takeaway is that the RoW is well aware what happens when entering into a bargain with the USA or its vassals. Meanwhile the vassals in the EU are visibly anxious as they lead their populations down the path of self destruction.
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One hopes that the RF will not listen to any of the pissing and moaning, refuse to “do business” with the vultures and hyenas that have tried so hard to destroy them, and keep their eyes on the prize.
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Starting with the last, it really would be kind of stroke of bad luck if the Russians were about to again let themselves get taken by the West of the famous Values, considering how long they had tried to come to reasonable terms with it. The malice, malevolance and perfidity of the currently ruling »elites« having revealed in ways and openness unseen hitherto, anybody normally prudent should be able to see through it all.
Pride and ignorance are akin, as the old saying goes. In that sense & aside from the first remark, it is even more fascinating how much the western »elites« incl. G7 really seem to believe having 7/8 of the world’s population & nations in the bag, being dependent on only their »mercy«. Otherwise, they would not act as they do openly admitting their total non-trustworthyness.
Posted by: Yogi | Feb 3 2023 12:07 utc | 247
https://www.rt.com/news/570892-bolton-ukraine-talks-prank/
John Bolton shares stance on talks with Russia in prank call
Any attempts by EU nations to negotiate with Moscow must be snuffed out, the Republican hawk and former US national security adviser believes
As long as the Ukraine conflict can still be won military, Russian President Vladimir Putin should not be allowed to achieve his goals through political means, former US national security adviser John Bolton has said.
He made the claim during a call with notorious Russian pranksters Vovan and Lexus, who tricked the hawkish Republican, an arch-critic of the Kremlin, into thinking he was talking to former Ukrainian President Pyotr Poroshenko.
“To me the important thing is to continue to push the Russians militarily – I think it’s a winnable war – and to stop efforts by whether it’s the French or the Germans or whoever it might be to try negotiating with the Russians,” Bolton said in the recording of the conversation released by the pranksters on Thursday.
He noted that French leader Emmanuel Macron has spoken several times since the start of the conflict about the need to find a deal that would be “acceptable” to Russia.
Such statements allow Putin to suggest that “he can break Western resolve,” Bolton, who served as national security advisor under President Donald Trump and previously worked in different roles in the administrations of Ronald Reagan, George HW Bush and George W Bush, said.
“I think he [Putin] really hopes to win politically what he can’t win militarily on the battlefield. That’s where the real test is. And I think we are vulnerable,” he warned.
The Republican hawk suggested the assistance that Kiev received from the West in the run-up to the conflict was “acceptable, but not great.”
“The politicians in the West are taking more credit for NATO unity, frankly, than we deserve… Many NATO partners haven’t participated fully… our performance on sanctions enforcement [on Russia] hasn’t been what it should be,” he concluded.
Bolton is the latest of many public figures to fall victim to Vovan and Lexus, who previously managed to prank Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Turkish leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Polish President Andrzej Duda, the author of Harry Potter books J.K. Rowling, former US President George W. Bush and many other politicians and celebrities.
Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Feb 3 2023 12:09 utc | 248
Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 2 2023 23:01 utc | 88
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this post spooked me to answer
it’s not the first time this list ( see post 1 ) was posted at moa
for example:
– October 17 2022
– December 17 2022
these posts are deleted but we can find an echo in several comments
i second strongly
Posted by: james | Feb 2 2023 23:49 utc | 103
i will not go any deeper in the garbage
this is as black&white as it can
for all those who support the anti-jew propaganda:
a nazi…is a nazi….is a nazi
“wehret den anfängen” (ward off the beginnings)
Posted by: ghiwen | Feb 3 2023 12:15 utc | 249
Post 1 by that guy with some interesting thoughts on Jewish world domination and whatnot.
He is citing Alexander Beider, a scholar on Jewish names, language, onomastics, etymology et al. I have not seen this supposed book on Jewish surnames, yet, IF it exists and the names mentioned below and post 1 are in there, it’s basically junk. I doubt that it exists and that the names are in there, someone simply took the scholar’s name and thus added some sort of non-fiction to the claims, making them sound more realistic.
Generally, most names, not least German ones, come from place names, areas, rivers, jobs and whatnot, dating back to days and ages where there was no Jew nearby and sure no Jewish conspiracy on world domination in sight, i.e. 3,000 BCE to 400 CE). Most of the names of that list can be researched quite easily on websites and books on etymology or place-names and will clearly show deep roots in Germanic, Slavic and even Indo-European languages and dialects.
The list (and I leave Beider out of this, as it would wreck his standing as a scholar) is simply projecting Jewish words, names and meanings on German (et al) names, finding similarities that in no-way are actually connected to the people in question, nor their pedigree.
Some samples …
Fedor von Bock [Jew surname].
Bock comes from the Middle-High-Germany word for male goat, Boc.
It was custom to give people surnames regarding the job they did, how they behaved, where they live etc., hence you find Carpenter, Butcher, Miller, Smith and whatnot in English too. Just take Owl Chapman as an example, putting an animal name in front of Chapman …
“peddler, itinerant tradesman,” Middle English form of Old English ceapman “tradesman,” from West Germanic compound *kaupman- (source also of Old High German choufman, German Kauffman, Middle Dutch and Dutch koopman), formed with equivalents of man (n.) + West Germanic *kaup- (source also of Old Saxon cop, Old Frisian kap “trade, purchase,” Middle Dutch coop, Dutch koop “trade, market, bargain,” kauf “trader,” Old English ceap “barter, business; a purchase”).
This is from Proto-Germanic *kaupōn- (source also of Danish kjøb “purchase, bargain,” Old Norse kaup “bargain, pay;” compare also Old Church Slavonic kupiti “to buy,” a Germanic loan-word), probably an early Germanic borrowing (Boutkan says 1c. C.E.) from Latin caupo (genitive cauponis) “petty tradesman, huckster, peddler,” which is of unknown origin.
Werner von Blomberg [Jew surname].
Comes from the German town called – surprise, surprise – Blomberg. The “von” actually points exactly to that place (and the aristocracy ruling there, “of Blomberg”. The town itself was based around the name-giving castle, who belonged to the Earls of Schwalenberg and Sternberg. And guess what, “blom” apparently comes from Old Frisian blōma, *blōme, from Proto-Germanic *blōmô, so the place might be translated into Bloom Hill.
Walther von Brauchitsch = Brauch-itsch [Jew surname-son of]
Brauchitsch is a Low Silesian noble families name, coming from the ancestry home in the village of Brauchitschdorf, now Chrostnik in western Poland. You think Jews would warp their way into hardcore Prussian aristocracy back in the 13th century?
Ernst von Busch [Jew surname].
Let etymology speak: bush “many-stemmed woody plant,” from Old English bysc (found in place names), from West Germanic *busk “bush, thicket” (source also of Old Saxon and Old High German busc, Dutch bosch, bos, German Busch). Influenced by or combined with Old French (busche “firewood”) and Medieval Latin busca (source also of Italian bosco, Spanish bosque, French bois), both of which probably are from Germanic (compare Boise).
You want more? Just type the names into Wikipedia (preferably German, as the English one won’t help you much on German name etymology, etymonline.com or grab a book on the topic.
Posted by: CM of Berlin | Feb 3 2023 12:46 utc | 250
Posted by: John Kennard | Feb 3 2023 10:27 utc | 233
Nope, did not know that. Learn something new every day.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 3 2023 12:46 utc | 251
Posted by: Haassaan | Feb 3 2023 11:34 utc | 246
I didn’t post that. That was posted by the other guy I was responding to. I agree with you, the Ukraine army was pathetic in 2014. The Donbass militias ran rings around them.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 3 2023 12:51 utc | 252