@jonku | Feb 1 2023 20:37 utc | 98

Whoever chose the name “Mozart Group” really doesn’t get it. While Wolfgang Amadeus wrote incredibly beautiful melodies, it was dance music. Nothing that you would ever call martial.
Contrast with Wagner, who took on the most powerful themes and wrote some of the scariest music I’ve ever heard.

As for powerful, I would vote for Stravinsky
Stravinsky: Le Sacre du Printemps

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 1 2023 20:56 utc | 104

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 1 2023 17:17 utc |
Cool story bro. Now do the Holocaust.

Posted by: nwwoods | Feb 1 2023 20:58 utc | 106

Interesting sub stack about the difficulties that Europe will face if it tries to re-arm – https://aurelien2022.substack.com/p/they-say-they-want-rearmament
Where will they find the troops?
Where will they find the technicians to maintain the weapons?
Where will they find the skilled support personnel?
Where is the manufacturing capacity?
Where will they get the raw materials?
Where will they find the land for the bases and who will build them?
How will all of this be funded?
what is the strategic concept and priority area
A lot of talk, action will be more challenging
Interesting example from British Royal Airforce in late 1930’s

Posted by: Aslangeo | Feb 1 2023 21:00 utc | 108

Two days ago this Czech video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVGfJyPCKQo was uploaded on YT by Jan Safarik, a Czech mercenary who fought six weeks in Ukraine as weapons instructor. Probably this video will be quickly erased, because of the truth that is being told. Jan Safarik describes the utter anarchy that is reigning on the UAF side. Basically the newcomers to the frontline are being instructed in this manner: “Here are the weapons, pick one, and there are the Russians. Good luck.” There is no coordination, no contact with other parts of the UAF. Most of the time 9 UAF soldiers are doing nothing in the bunker while 1 UAF soldier is firing with his gun.

Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Feb 1 2023 21:03 utc | 110

force crimea and donbas back to kiev
while guarantee that taiwan is not allowed to unite with beijing
us a all the way!

Posted by: paddy | Feb 1 2023 21:05 utc | 112

Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 1 2023 20:51 utc | 102
Wagner.
Sites like Reddit and 4chan celebrate the folklore that the US killed 300 Russians/Wagner in Syria.
The mythology of this “event” has permeated into some factions of the the US military that they can kill Russians with impunity, and “Putin won’t do shit”.
This is amplified with what Mcgregor explains in his latest with Judging Freedom.
He says that Putin’s original SMO with its kid-gloves approach, designed, he says, to show the West he was serious about protecting the Russian speaking Donbas and curtailing NATO encroachment also convinced influential elements within the US military that the Russians were weak.
This allowed the voices pushing for greater USNATO involvement in Ukraine to win the arguments within State and Pentagram.
It seems very much highly likely IMVHO that US/UK “special” forces have gone mano-a-mano with Wagner, and have repeatedly come off second best.
(ie dead).
Hence the obsession with Wagner.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 1 2023 21:12 utc | 114

Thanks for the replies. I had to go to my carido rehab gym session.
Interesting about de Gaulle, but IMO he ought to be watched.
Yes, Xi Jinping rates with Putin and a few others we never hear about as world statesmen. Modi is learning fast as provided a good performance at the recent Voice of the Global South Summit. And there are several African visionaries I hope will shine at the upcoming Russia-Africa Summit.
An FYI from Zakharova’s briefing:
“I would like to announce that tomorrow will be very interesting. On February 2 of this year at 10.30 a.m., Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov will give an interview to Director General of Rossiya Segodnya News Agency, author and host of Vesti Nedeli … D.K. Kiselyov, live on the Rossiya 24 TV channel. I think that everyone knows what the current international agenda is about. Various issues will be raised, but I will reveal a secret: we do not set a time limit. Therefore, as much as the conversation goes, so much will be broadcast live.”
Famous for his long, detailed answers, I’ll bet it goes at least two hours.
I should add that Zakharova’s weekly briefing Russian transcript is now complete and contains lots of information about Ukraine and beyond. I’ll use a separate comment to provide some of that.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 1 2023 21:17 utc | 116

IMO, there’re no politicos within the federal government who merit the term Progressive. The vast majority of the Duopoly should be categorized generally as Reactionaries. To discover what genuine Progressivism was within the USA, you must go back to the 1880s to find its roots; and when you do, you’ll discover its roots are in Traditional Conservatism. For two modern examples, both Putin and Xi are Progressives. The concepts of people centered development and the economy of abundance are central tenets of Progressivism. There exist a few genuine Progressive politicos within the 50 states and possessions of the Outlaw US Empire.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 1 2023 21:27 utc | 118

The Shostakovich “Leningrad” symphony opens with a long, gradually building Nazi theme which then is trounced by the triumphal Russian theme.
(Tchaikovsky’s 1812 Overture has the Russian theme dispose of “La Marseillaise” in the same way.)

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 1 2023 21:40 utc | 120

whirlX:
Yes but as long as “our” governments keep up the pretense that they indeed are “our” I think we in “the west” need to be confronted with the reality of being just as nazi as everyone in Germany under Hitler before and during WWII whether or not they were members of the NSDAP.
Maybe we truly are powerless, maybe we all have good explanations, maybe we have good excuses, maybe we really are dumb, but let us at least try to stick a finger in the ground and connect with the reality of the situation.
I’m not telling people to stick their neck out if they’re afraid or to do anything they think is wrong, I’m just trying to establish a basic fact of what is actually going on.
Just as I believe the polls happen to be correct when they say most people in Europe do not want the confrontation with Russia I also believe most people do not in any way want to actually be nazis and need to be confronted with the reality of it, if everyone is thinking “yes, please” then sadly it won’t matter.
The commenter “Tenet” would perhaps be a perfect example sine he or she doesn’t seem keen on either being considered a nazi or accepting what real nazi policies amount to outside of some ideological fairytale.
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Oblomovka daydream wrote/quoted/summarized:

“Most of the time 9 UAF soldiers are doing nothing in the bunker while 1 UAF soldier is firing with his gun.”

Overall that wouldn’t be all that much worse than the typical/average fresh US soldier in WWII, at least allegedly it is claimed most conscripted soldiers avoid firing their weapons and avoid targeting and killing the enemy. Supposedly true in Viet Nam as well and for conscripted soldiers in general.
Maybe just old hearsay.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 1 2023 21:41 utc | 122

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 1 2023 21:27 utc | 118
Historically maybe you are right but progressives today are the Greens, the Soros types, the race baiters, etc.
They replace morals with social science, religiously believe in social engineering and apply theories of change not for the good of the many, but for the good of the “victims of white nationalism”.

Posted by: alek_a | Feb 1 2023 21:44 utc | 124

https://sputniknews.com/20230201/truth-too-big-to-hide-how-washington-fails-to-sweep-ukraines-biolab-revelation-under-rug-1106893548.html
Sputnik has published a large article : Truth Too Big to Hide: How Washington Fails to Sweep Ukraine’s Biolab Revelation Under Rug
From the article: “Responding to the latest findings by the Russian MoD, National Security Council Strategic Communications Coordinator John Kirby claimed: “There are no bioweapons labs, there is no bio weapons work being done by or with the United States with Ukraine in Ukraine.”
At the same time, however, Kirby noted that the US “had been working with the Ukrainians on some pandemic prevention research,” adding that “all those research facilities were vacated and safely deactivated before” the beginning of the Russian special military operation to demilitarize and de-Nazify the country.
Russian Ambassador to the United States Anatoly Antonov immediately drew attention to a clear contradiction in Kirby’s statement: “If such a program was purely peaceful, then why were the works so promptly curtailed? Why are these issues handled by the military, but not the civilian specialists?” the Russian diplomat asked.”

Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Feb 1 2023 21:56 utc | 126

LoL Ukraine adds Croatian President to their kill list
https://myrotvorets.center/criminal/?cf%5Bname%5D=%D0%9C%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87+%D0%97%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD+%2F+Milanovi%C4%87+Zoran+%2F+Milanovich+Zoran&cf%5Bcountry%5D=&cf%5Baddress%5D=&cf%5Bphone%5D=&cf%5Bdesc%5D=

Posted by: Comandante | Feb 1 2023 22:12 utc | 128

…from Reuters, progressive news . . .i.e. the news progresses from “We have no indication that U.S. funds have been misused in Ukraine” to “US funds not misused.” . . .but hey, corrupt Ukraine officials have “verified” the payments. . .
U.S. funds not misused in Ukraine, U.S. Treasury says amid corruption crackdown

“We have no indication that U.S. funds have been misused in Ukraine,” Treasury spokesperson Megan Apper said in response to a query from Reuters. “We welcome the ongoing efforts by the Ukrainian authorities to work with us to ensure appropriate safeguards are in place so that U.S assistance reaches those for whom it is intended.”
It was the Treasury’s first comment on the issue after Ukraine’s government last week dismissed a slew of senior officials in the country’s biggest political shake-up of the war following corruption allegations.
Apper said the Treasury would continue to work closely with the World Bank on tracking U.S. disbursements “to confirm that they are used as intended, as well as with Ukraine and other partners to tackle corruption.”
The World Bank has disbursed over $13 billion to Ukraine through its Public Expenditures for Administrative Capacity Endurance (PEACE) in Ukraine, as of December, much of it coming from the United States.
PEACE funds are disbursed to Ukrainian authorities a month after bank officials have verified that they have paid salaries to teachers and civil servants and pension payments, which helps safeguard against problems. . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 1 2023 22:16 utc | 130

jonku | Feb 1 2023 20:37 utc | 98 Kinda like if you were in a bar fight, who would you rather have at your back: Keith Richards and the Rolling Stones or Neil Young and Crosby, Stills and Nash. Or perhaps, the New York Dolls or Donnie and Marie Osmond.
Idiot Americans thinking they could compete with the best in hell. Many straight out volunteers in Wagner. But also many convicts choose to join and gain a pardon. If they survive, a new start in life. My forebear who had a liking for horses was transported here to Australia after repeat offenses. Soon paroled then pardoned. A new start.
As with anything in the empire of lies, the American copy had no chance of competing. I am not into classical music but ACDC’s thunderstruck comes to mind when looking at westerners thinking war with Russia was just another safari.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 1 2023 22:33 utc | 132

@ karlof1 | Feb 1 2023 21:43 utc | 123
Criticism by Russia that the EU is not democratic because it is disallowing media in EU countries is a reminder that the European Union is a one-of-a-kind in the world governing bloc with autocratic leadership, including four presidents, and members of a “parliament” serving five-year terms. The EU is not a nation and therefore it need not recognize the UN Charter nor be subjected to any scrutiny by UN bodies including the Security Council. The EU is a needless renegade largely unaccountable government which is also a key driver of the ongoing war in Europe.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 1 2023 22:39 utc | 134

Don Bacon @134–
Yes true, but the EU does have its own rules of conduct that it breaks all the time; that’s where the point’s being made. But yeah, a clearly undemocratic institution that constantly calls itself democratic is opening itself to ridicule over its hypocrisy.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 1 2023 22:44 utc | 136

John Kirby claimed: “There are no bioweapons labs, there is no bio weapons work being done by or with the United States with Ukraine in Ukraine.”
At the same time, however, Kirby noted that the US “had been working with the Ukrainians on some pandemic prevention research,” 
Oblomovka daydream | Feb 1 2023 21:56 utc | 126
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Thank you. John Kirby protests too much.
“Yeah, yeah, that’s it; just some pandemic prevention research‘ … Yeah. That’s all those 30 labs in Ukraine were doing … maybe a bit of directed-evolution, nothing more.”

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Feb 1 2023 22:47 utc | 138

‘pandemic prevention research’ was also the cover story for the gain of function research at the Wuhan lab commissioned by the French and directed by the U.S.

Posted by: GT Stroller | Feb 1 2023 22:52 utc | 140

Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Feb 1 2023 21:56 utc | 126
Thanks for that. I did my own deep dive research into these laboratories about a week and a half ago and posted some of my results in comments. It is clear that the US, by way of Pentagon (not CDC, not Health Department, etc. ), contracts has been constructing biological research laboratories all over Ukraine and in other countries on the RF’s near periphery (I won’t get into China, that’s another can of worms). American firms Black and Veatch and CH2MHill are among the recipients of multi-million dollar awards (some sole-sourced, some competitively bid) to build and maintain these facilities. They are NOT former Soviet labs and most of them are not even near any former Soviet labs and they are not focused on whatever might still be left over from the USSR’s research into certain pathogens.
I need to sit down and do the same thing with the UK, now that I’m thinking about it. It seems like there’s a UK connection to every alleged “biological weapon” or “chemical weapon” attack attributed to Russia. Wouldn’t surprise me if they’re the ones developing so-called novichok since they’re usually so quick to make the diagnosis, but that’s a tangent.
As to the Nazi Question it’s pretty silly to deny such elements not only exist in Ukraine, but have been actively funded, supported and amplified by USG agencies. There is no “centuries old” Ukrainian national identity so one had to be created, and that’s exactly what has been happening since 2004 and especially since 2014 after the Maidan coup. Ukrainians have been subjected to constant propaganda attempts to launder the images of war criminals and Nazi supporters like Stepan Bandera, laws passed to outlaw and stigmatize the Russian language and culture, statements clearly made by numerous politicians, luminaries and other Ukrainian public figures (usually all with US ties) about cleansing the Eastern Ukraine of their own version of ‘deplorables’ (i.e., Russians/slavs – or “orcs” as they are referred to derogatively) and of course the full integration of the most brutal ultra-nationalist groups into the Ukrainian military apparatus. If some of you who deny this would actually read Putin or Lavrov’s (or the woman whose name escapes me, Maria Z?) speeches and interview responses, you’d know that the word “nazi” or “de-nazification” doesn’t refer to massive rallies behind a new fuhrer, complete with Nazi regalia, but instead to the slow but quickening efforts to de-Russianize Ukraine through genocide, intimidation, stigmatization, etc. at the behest of UKUS/NATO ( who have always supported Nazis and fascists) in their goal to subjugate and balkanize the Russian Federation and/or force regime change. Blah blah blah….and as to the topic of Nazi scientists going to either the USSR or the USA, it was the Catholic Church that rounded up the ones shipped to America where they enjoyed substandard rights and privileges compared to their counterparts who were “prisoners” in the USSR and received their own private homes and higher pay than Russian scientists.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 1 2023 23:01 utc | 142

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 1 2023 17:17 utc | 29

Larry Romanov has a piece up on unz just today that dispells the false notion by Bolsheviks that western banking was the impetus for the NSDAP’s success.

Hi Nemesis, just read Romanov’s ‘piece’ and I can’t say it ‘dispells’ anything for me but his argument is certainly disturbingly revisionist in its gross generalities. His conclusion:

Thus, if truth be told, it was the worldwide Jewish leadership – not the Third Reich – that effectively fired the first shot in the Second World War.

This claim is a mainstay of current ludicrously revisionist history that pits a monolithic “The Jews” against the NSDAP, the latter apparently being driven to its rabid antisemitism only by the former’s “declaration of war”. This is mindnumbingly stupid revisionism given the history of the NSDAP and its mouthpieces Hitler and his Berlin Gauleiter Goebbels’ fiercely rabid nationalist anti-semitic hate speech from the mid to late 1920s on, that they used as the rhetorical sirens call for their Freibooter cadres that became the SA Brown Shirts movement and was then formalised in the ‘ethno-nationalist’ ideology of the Third Reich’s Schwarze Korps leading straight into the 1940s eastern European Holocaust and Vernichtungskrieg against the “Jewish led Slavic Untermensch”.
You can also check the ‘Truman Committee’ and ‘Bankers Plot’ files in the US National Archives concerning the connection between the Dupont and Morgan led fascist putsch against FDR through to the Wall St funding of the ‘German Revolution’ via the Harriman’s Prescott Bush Union Bank financing of Prussian rearmament … which continued AFTER Pearl Harbour and the declaration of war! Not to mention Rockefeller oil threatening an embargo of the US should FDR interfere with their ‘European business interests’. And so it goes on and on… yes, US, British and French wealthy elites bankrolled the Nazi’s for their promise to Thyssen to destroy the Soviet Union and the threat of world communism, opening Siberia’s endless resources to ‘Western’ exploitation.
Which segues nicely into the current discussion regarding the US funded ‘ethno-nationalist’ Galician fascism that is slaughtering a generation of Ukrainian men in a hopeless war against that same Slavic Untermensch. Anyone who says Aryan supremacy has nothing to do with this prelude to WW3 are themselves quite possibly just “fucking stupid” but not necessarily “old”, or perhaps they’re just ‘Western European’? What do you reckon, Nemesis?

Posted by: Zeug | Feb 1 2023 23:07 utc | 144

For a good historical dissection of the post-progressive era (in this case beginning in 1917) I recommend “American Midnight: The Great War, a Violent Peace and Democracy’s Forgotten Crisis”
https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/adam-hochschild/american-midnight/

A history of the early-20th-century assault on civil rights and those the federal government deemed un-American.
For Hochschild—the winner of the Los Angeles Times Book Prize and Dayton Literary Peace Prize, among many other honors—one of America’s darkest periods was between 1917 and 1921. “Never was [the] raw underside of our national life more revealingly on display.” Those years, he writes, were rife with “the toxic currents of racism, nativism, Red-baiting, and contempt for the rule of law [that] have long flowed through American life”—and clearly still do today. From the country’s entry into World War I until Warren Harding became president, the federal government and law enforcement agencies joined with the civilian-staffed American Protective League and union-busting industrialists to censor newspapers and magazines; fabricate communist conspiracies; surveil and imprison conscientious objectors and labor leaders (particularly the Wobblies); harass socialists, German immigrants, pacifists, and Jews; deport foreigners without due process; and stand aside as police and vigilantes killed labor activists and destroyed Black communities and formed lynch mobs. Among numerous others, those who benefitted most politically were J. Edgar Hoover and Attorney General A. Mitchell Palmer. Woodrow Wilson presided over the entire toxic political and social landscape. Ultimately, writes the author, “a war supposedly fought to make the world safe for democracy became the excuse for a war against democracy at home.” Labor leaders, socialists, and anti-war activists such as Eugene Debs and Emma Goldman, along with government officials such as Sen. Robert La Follette and Secretary of Labor Louis Post, resisted but with little success. Although these threats to civil liberties were subsequently deflected, “almost all of the tensions that roiled the country during and after the First World War still linger today.” The book is exceptionally well written, impeccably organized, and filled with colorful, fully developed historical characters.
A riveting, resonant account of the fragility of freedom in one of many shameful periods in U.S. history.

This short period really set the tone for the coming wave of Red Scares and other attempts to crush the American left.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 1 2023 23:09 utc | 146

Don Bacon@134
The European Parliament has almost no power at all. It certainly plays no part in the selection of the Commission. The EU is run by a self perpetuating oligarchy. In some smaller countries the Commissioner’s job is sought after because it involves no work and enormous pay plus pension. In larger countries it is a haven for disgraced or thoroughly incompetent Ministers.
The entire set up is completely undemocratic and, on the few occasions when there is a rush of blood to the head in Brussels and constitutional questions are submitted to referendum the EU cause is generally defeated.
Media Lens has a quote from Tolstoy today which sums up the mentality of those, lowest of all beings, who regard themselves as superior to the mass.
“‘… the lowest, most vulgar view of life, which regards the external elevation of the great ones of the earth as a genuine superiority; despises the crowd, that is to say, the working classes; and repudiates not only religious, but even any humanitarian, efforts directed towards the alteration of the existing order of society’. (Tolstoy, cited, Aylmer Maude, ‘Tolstoy On Art’, Oxford University Press, 1924, p.446)
Those are the sort of people, inferiority complexes with passports, who run and support the EU. Small wonder that they simply could not believe that those voting for Brexit, and against their gravy train, were rational.

Posted by: bevin | Feb 1 2023 23:14 utc | 148

@ Pierrot | Feb 1 2023 17:55 utc | 52
You describe for deGaulle the exact same conditions for power that applied to his grandfather and his uneasy partner in arms Churchill.
And although he lacks the military credentials of the older generation, banking has been a if not the major instrument of international aggression over the last forty years (at least).

Posted by: John Kennard | Feb 1 2023 23:25 utc | 150

“As to the Nazi Question it’s pretty silly to deny such elements not only exist in Ukraine, but have been actively funded, supported and amplified by USG agencies … Ukrainians have been subjected to constant propaganda attempts to launder the images of war criminals and Nazi supporters like Stepan Bandera … If some of you who deny this would actually read Putin or Lavrov’s (or the woman whose name escapes me, Maria Z?) speeches and interview responses…” 
Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 1 2023 23:01 utc | 142
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As several of karlof1’s posts today show, is one of the sharpest (and IMO most attractive) knives in the drawer. Among many other reasons, I’d to emigrate to Russia just to vote for her when Putin retires in 2030. She’ll be an outstanding president.
Re biolabs: Yes, Pentagon funding is rather ominous and damning. I believe PeterAU1 posted a lot of research data on this, which was presented by the RF to the UN … now interred there it seems.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Feb 1 2023 23:40 utc | 152

Head of Kyiv tax authority accused of multimillion-dollar fraud
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/01/ukraine-head-of-kyiv-tax-authority-accused-of-multi-million-dollar
Pretty minor for one of the Nazi scum.

Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Feb 1 2023 23:47 utc | 154

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Feb 1 2023 23:40 utc | 152
Ah yes, I should have read the comments more carefully before posting so I could include her name.
As for the biolabs, I also posted numerous links and excerpts (research data) on these contracts along with this article.
https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/03/08/obama-led-ukraine-biolab-efforts/
As well as this one.
https://ac.news/u-s-to-aid-ukraine-in-countering-bioweapons/
Also for reference the following Reddit threads:
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/t07ghf/american_biolabs_in_ukraine/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/td8qg7/documents_proving_dod_funded_ukraine_biolabs_save/
I’ll add another link when I’m on a different PC. Of course Google and Reddit have made it very difficult to get search results on…ahem….certain topics of late.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 1 2023 23:50 utc | 156

Damnit….I promise I Previewed that post before hitting Send. It looked just fine in the preview.
As posted, the links will not work. You must copy and paste the URL into your browser’s address bar in order to access them.
Sorry about that.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 1 2023 23:55 utc | 158

Don Bacon @141–
Yes, agreed. I’m glad I provided you the opportunity to use friable; although I too just used it, I’ve yet to employ it in the proper context.
Tom_Q_Collins @146–
Thanks for reminding me of Hochschild as his name always slips my mind when I go looking for books to buy. I did use part of his King Leopold’s Ghost for an essay but haven’t deeply looked into his works.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 1 2023 23:58 utc | 160

Tom_Q_Collins @158–
There’s a trick to properly using those particular Archive links that was provided several weeks ago by S, but I didn’t make a physical note and thus don’t recall what it is. Perhaps someone will remind us?

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 2 2023 0:02 utc | 162

Posted by: Sektion2B | Feb 1 2023 23:58 utc | 159
You can copy the link and paste into a new tab on your browser. That works for me.
Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 2 2023 0:02 utc | 162
Drat. Wish I’d seen that. Again, tho, the Preview function showed them normally. Sigh…maybe next time.
And look what’s up at Scheerpost today – How timely! A discussion of Ukrainian nationalism.
https://scheerpost.com/2023/02/01/patrick-lawrence-the-pathology-of-ukrainian-nationalism/
Long article so I decided not to excerpt any of it here. Worth a read.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 2 2023 0:07 utc | 164

@NemesisCalling | Feb 1 2023 17:17 utc | 29
What you say might be completely accurate, but then you need to explain why These non-Nazis had SS runes on the Ukrainian flag signed by it’s military leaders and held up in Congress by Pelosi and Harris?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1d9F4Zn71PhoXXCF2FLJVmCBGE7748BXk

Posted by: Hermit | Feb 2 2023 0:10 utc | 166

“Are all Ukes Nazi, no I work w a few of them they are just regular people. That being said there is a cohort within Ukraine that is totally fascist. Not sure why u cant see this”
I also don’t get the difficulty with grasping this. The radical nationalists/Nazis may not be numerically dominant, but they are well organized and very willing to use force. When Zelensky, who was elected on a platform of enacting the Minsk agreement, turned away from it he was not responding to the pressure of voters but to the threat of a hanging. They currently control the cabinet posts associated with internal “order.” It’s likely that NATO continues, as they have since the end of WW2, to regard them as a very important asset in ensuring that confrontational policies continue. Posters here often point out that they serve in military units to prevent soldiers from leaving the field of battle. Just think of them as doing the same thing in the field of politics. Many posters here are uneasy with characterizing AUK personnel as all Nazis, and they are correct in a literal sense. But the far right is in the saddle, and nominally patriotic Ukrainians wind up serving their purposes. Much the same thing happened in Syria, where widespread opposition to a neoliberal dictatorship was hijacked by jihadis.

Posted by: dadooronron | Feb 2 2023 0:18 utc | 168

TROLL HERE
So for me the most important question is:
Was the SMO justified. I think it was if the Ukrainians were committing “genocide”!! The problem I keep coming up with is that I can find NO EVIDENCE of any genocide happening in Eastern Ukraine prior to 2014. Can anyone help with that question please??
I would love to read it. I really would
Because if the genocide began AFTER Russia invaded Crimea then I think any fair minded person would know who actually started this war.
But who am I? Just a US CITIZEN trying to cut through the bullshit!!

Posted by: Roadblock | Feb 2 2023 0:45 utc | 170

Aleph_Null | Feb 1 2023 21:40 utc | 121
The corruption is one pipeline (pun) flowing up and back from Biden.
The sackings are an attempt to put a diversion in place.
If a bunch is Ukrainians have to be burned and buried to hide Team Biden corruption. Then that’s what will happen.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 2 2023 0:52 utc | 172

Seventhly, how do you know whether or not you are in reality strapped on a table and drugged up a la Total Recall?
Like I’ve been saying, everyone except RGS will be surprised at what happens next!!!

Posted by: nathan in WA US | Feb 2 2023 1:07 utc | 174

@ Tannenhouser | Feb 1 2023 23:10 utc | 147
I don’t see what is so completely hard about what I write for the average person to grasp it. My mainstay argument is this: that, from the beginning, the employment of the term “Nazi” in this period signifies an appeal to something completely different than what actually constituted the motivations of and made up the character within Hitler’s Germany/NSDAP.
Just because some western Ukrainians with a chip on the shoulder about Russians (where their mistrust of Russia may be indeed warranted given historical yearnings for nationhood and for what they suffered under the Bolsheviks; although in this case I have belabored time and time again that Putin is NOT a Soviet Revanchist and that under Russia’s guiding hand, Ukraine would be better off and display more autonomy than under the Jewish-Franken-monster of the west) throw on some Nazi-emblems and attempt to reconstitute some pathetic and deluded idea of an Indo-European Aryan Supremacy, does not make them “Nazis.”
I already have mentioned why this term has been employed. It is a catch-all phrase that merely denotes “otherness” or as a means to dehumanize the opposition, but it depends on which side is using it, which means it can be bifurcated. Russia can evoke the Great Patriotic War. But, on the other hand, Putin is, for all intents and purposes, the new “Hitler,” and the parallels between Hitler’s Germany and Russia are so numerous as to be comically obvious.
Take for instance the oppression of Germans by Poland in German Danzig. Does Germany intervening to protect its historical people in Danzig not parallel almost verbatim what led to Russia intervening in Ukrainie? Was this the needed casus belli that in both instances delineated for the west where western civilization ran up against barbarity in the form of then-Germany and now Russia? It is indeed so.
What about the Jewish-intrigue in both instances–the NSDAP and Jewish banking then, and the Jewish hand in Ukraine today? Jewish media, Biden’s Jewish cabinet, the Khazarian homeland around Crimea and straddling today’s Ukraine and Russia. The Jewish question is festooned all over and around both of these events that it is sad more people lack the courage to point out the obvious. If Ukraine was just another fruit of Hitler’s NSDAP, I don’t think they would be so willing to fight under Jewish leadership, of taking Jewish money, of adopting hate-speech legislation in 2022 and having pro-LGBT indoctrination in Ukrainian schools. What about BlackRock and that rat-Fink who runs it offering to rebuild Khazaria in the future? This does not even remotely resemble the reactionary and physical spirit and clear morals of Germany post-Weimar.
But why am I so triggered by the misuse of the term “Nazi?” Well, it tells me that TPTB are continuing their employment of obscurantism…think FDR allowing Pearl Harbor to happen, or John McCain lying about POWs in Vietnam, or Vietnam in general, or the GWoT being more about drug-running, Israel, and the MIC.
Germany’s NSDAP should not be obscured and muddled with these Ukrainians. It was a particular reaction in a particular moment in history.
And why should we look at the “Nazis” and understand WW2 and their motivations? Because I hate this system and I am a negative agent to undermine all its false pillars that prevent people from understanding the pernicious Jewish role on western life. I take heart, though, knowing we are approaching something momentous.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 2 2023 1:13 utc | 176

@Roadblock | Feb 2 2023 0:45 utc | 170
Just because you can’t find something does not mean it does not exist. Try using Yandex and searching for “genocide Ukraine 2011 2012.2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021”. Here is the first hit.
Donbass. Genocide. 2014-2022: This special project was launched to shed light on what has happened in Donbass over the past eight years, with the aim to show not only episodes of crimes by the Kiev regime against the civilian population, but also to explore the roots of the disaster occurring in the region.

Posted by: Hermit | Feb 2 2023 1:30 utc | 178

Posted by: Roadblock | Feb 2 2023 0:45 utc | 170
“I can find NO EVIDENCE of any genocide happening in Eastern Ukraine prior to 2014”
That is because the genocidal Nazis were not installed by western powers until 2014. The fascist coup government started the ethnic cleansing. Before that the government of Ukraine was more or less balanced between the Pro-Russian East and the Pro-Nazi West.
Thanks for coming right out and corrently labeling yourself a troll, and following it with weak arguments!
Russia never invaded Crimea, Russia was already there and did what it had to do, with minimal violence, to protect the Crimeans from ethnic cleaning.
“But who am I? Just a US CITIZEN trying to cut through the bullshit!!”
No, you are trying to spread the same tired bullshit using a slightly different method.

Posted by: Haassaan | Feb 2 2023 1:33 utc | 180

Roadblock | Feb 2 2023 0:45 utc | 170
2014 is the date.
March 2014 the U$ government… that’s Victoria Nuland, Joe Biden, John McCain Lindsay Graham John Kerry and others, overthrew the elected Ukraine government and installed their puppets.
We know this because Nuland’s phone was hacked and leaked. She and Geoffrey Pyatt discussed who to install into which government positions.
She’s heard saying:
“Yats is the guy”. Meaning Arseniy Yatseniuk is to be installed.

Nuland says, referring to Vitali Klitschko (“Klitsch”), an opposition leader, “I don’t think Klitsch should go into the government.
I don’t think it’s necessary, I don’t think it’s a good idea.”
To which Pyatt, after a long pause, replies, “Just let him stay out and do his political homework and stuff.” Instead, Pyatt and Nuland agree that Arseniy Yatseniuk (“Yats”) ought be the guy who goes in.
“I think Yats is the guy who’s got the economic experience, the governing experience.” T
Then Nuland concludes: “I just think Klitsch going in… he’s going to be at that level working for Yatseniuk, it’s just not going to work.”
After going back and forth, in which the two Americans decide on who’ll make what phone call to give Yats and Klitsch their apparent marching orders, and after they note that Oleh Tyahnybok, who represents an outright fascist-nationalist party, might be a “problem” (but, still, it seems, someone they can work with), it gets worse.
After noting that Ban Ki-moon of the United Nations and a UN envoy will be weighing in, Nuland expresses her disdain for the European Union (EU), which has been taking the lead on trying to bribe, cajole and persuade Ukraine to drop its dependence on Russia and start the process of joining the EU. Although the United States has officially said that the EU ought to be out front, in Washington—and in Nuland’s office—there is frustration over the fact that the EU won’t move faster and more aggressively to undercut Russia.
“Fuck the EU!” says Nuland.
Pyatt replies, rather hilariously, “No, exactly.” Exactly?

With Poroshenko as president, the campaign of terror begins against the Ukrainian citizens living in the Donbas.
These people are Russia. They are Ukrainian citizens because of the borders created at the fall of the Soviet Union.
The idea of the U$ puppet Ukraine government is to ethnically cleanse the Donbas. Ukrainian citizens who consider themselves Russians should leave for Russia, or die.
A group of people protesting the overthrow of the Ukrainian government were protesting at the Odessa town hall.
They are located inside and burnt to death. Some who try to escape from high level windows are shot.
Crimea has an election and more than 95% vote to join the Russian Federation.
The U$ had intended for Crimea to be a U$ naval base… the naval v
base at Sevastopol established in 1780§ by Catherine the Great.. The U$ had already issued expressions of interest to contractors to upgrade schools in Crimea for U$ military.
From here the two Donbas republics want to separate from Ukraine and be independent.
Fighting has continued until 2022, when the intensity greatly increased, with USNATO having built up 100k Ukrainian soldiers during Dec-Feb 21-22 to destroy the self-governing Donetsk and Luhansk republics.
Putin could not allow Russians to be slaughtered at Russia’s border… on territory that had always traditionally been Russian (but had ended up by historical error in Ukraine).

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 2 2023 1:46 utc | 182

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 2 2023 1:13 utc | 176

I hate this system and I am a negative agent to undermine all its false pillars that prevent people from understanding the pernicious Jewish role on western life.

OK, so the Galician fascists who arose in the interwar period and fought their Polish masters, formed the Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists OUN-B dedicated to ensuring the racial purity of the Ukrainian nation, elected Bandera as their ‘Führer’ after the German Wehrmacht invaded, served as ‘police auxiliaries’ under the SS Einsatzgruppen during the Jewish massacres in Ukraine c. 1941-2, joined the Waffen SS Division Galicia or formed the Ukrainian Insurgent Army to perpetrate the Polish massacres of 1943-44, who then fled the Soviet invasion or were rescued via the Gehlen rat line and served US intelligence like Michel Lebed … they were just some guys “with a chip on the shoulder about Russians”?
I call it Galician fascism, others use a blanket term ‘Nazi’, probably due to the wealth of Nazi symbolism amongst the UA National Guard like Himmler’s Schwarze Sonne in the Azov badge which is a universal post-WW2 symbol of Aryan i.e., ‘White’ i.e., European i.e., Western supremacy. But no matter what your semantic preferences are these terms still reference the same phenomenon that arose again in Ukraine with the descendants of those ‘guys with a chip on their shoulder’, with the same ethno-nationalist goal of an ethnically and linguistically purified Ukrainian nation, now nurtured by US/EU corporate military industrial power.
And that’s what I see as the purest essence of Western fascism – the marriage of corporatism with unleashed military violence in the service of the expansion of power, with whatever political system you want to dress that up in.
But no, apparently it’s all just “The Jews”?

Posted by: Zeug Gezeugt | Feb 2 2023 1:56 utc | 184

@ 29 Nemesiscalling
Here in BoJostan we know about mission creep. We had after WW2 a social contract in which our governments exercised international power on condition of looking after the welfare of the people. In 1979 Thatcher scrapped that social contract and introduced a new one limiting the welfare of the people element to looking after the 1% millionaires.
That process of adulteration f the social contract was completed on the day BoJo got covid antibodies while we were infected and left to die. The 1% got 100% of the country’s resources and the 99% got nowt.
So after Nemesis came total destruction.
Nazism.is like that. It starts from the end of a Socialist social contract with the people and ends with its removal. Tories are still using the words social contract to describe the non-existence of a social contract with the people. The people have noticed that they no longer have the attention of their government. This is the start of Nazism. The rest is all downhill .
For your to describe the aspirations of the electorate to be totally ignored as pure Bolshevism proves I’m afraid that you are an ideological Nazi. We oppose your ideology and we booted BoJo and Zawahiri out because they exposed the truth by their callous indifference to the social contract of post-war Britain.
I have to pay back £3000 of overpaid Workinh Tax Credit incurred while government was dysfunctional during covid.
But Zawahiri thinks he’s exempt of paying tax. Wealth starts at £20,000 p.a. in the eyes of the Tories. More than that means no no benefits at all. But in Kurdistan where Zawahiri’s dosh comes from, no salaries, no pensions, no disability or housing benefits are paid. It all goes to Zahawii’s personal loot fund.
This is Nazism in its birth pangs.

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 2 2023 2:06 utc | 186

@ Giyanne
I disagree.
Hitler’s Germany can not be duplicated in this point. It is ruin where even the smoldering of its ashes have cooled.
You are a tool of the current system by clinging to your outdated terminology.
I woild sum up my mission thusly: understand the motivations of Germany in WW2, understand Hitler is the most misunderstood man in the last 100 years outside of Putin, understand that Putin is truly Hitler 2.0 but not for the reasons espoused by the west, and to welcome the future for the west that Putin is restoring.
The Tao Te Ching: Take the good, discard the bad.
Move forward.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 2 2023 2:16 utc | 188

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 2 2023 2:08 utc | 187
Your response to Lex. What WWI and WWII history books have you read? Do you not understand the complexities and differing opinions and shifting allegiances that happened in those decades? Plenty of Americans actively aided and funded the Nazis and ran PR for them. And if the US helped the Bolsheviks with lend-lease, many of those same factions mentioned also quietly hoped that Hitler *would* crush them, and were happy with the 27-30M dead Commies. But the US also intervened in the Russian civil war *against* the Bolsheviks. So I’m genuinely curious whether you’ve ever read any history books because on this level it looks like you’re just regurgitating the “history lessons” one finds on rightwing websites and social media posts.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 2 2023 2:28 utc | 190

Sunak has sent tanks to fight in the War on Socialism , the successor to the war on Islam launched in 2001. Both USUKIS wars started with false flags, the latter being covid. The close relationships between the Bin Laden family and Bush, and US Defence Dept snd Wuhan, have already expanded to a vast network of Rendition Terror brainwashing in the case of the first war, and Bio-labs in Ukraine in the second.
I am going to come out now as Bi. I am both a worldly and a spiritual being. I know that’s shocking in a Thatcherite world where Materialism is the only logic. But as a Muslim I understand that my prayers to God nourish me just as much as diesel in my car or food in my stomach. In fact I feel sorry for all you straight guys who are stuck like ants under the feet of the USUKIS MIC who are fighting this war against the soul.
As I say, Sunak has sent tanks to Ukraine as a gesture of his intention to destroy the work of the soul. By their fruit ye shall know them. Sunak is a worshipper of Mammon and a supporter of Nazism.
The Jewish claim to Israel is merely a Mammon land grab. The USUKIS war on Ukraine is exactly the same. Jews all over the world are bludgeoned by Zionism into supporting genocide. Nazism in Ukraine is exactly the same a mafia nest of corruption based on genocide. There are many degrees of Nazism and Thatcherism is the mildest form. For the record, Sunak has thrown his gauntlet down in support of Genocide against Russians. It has set off my smoke detector. What’s that smell of burning?

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 2 2023 2:58 utc | 192

Posted by: Outraged | Feb 2 2023 2:59 utc | 193

serial nazi revisionist & full on apologist for all things fascist … successfully hijacking the thread by drawing out responses.

Agreed, although I’ve enjoyed the opportunity to keep bringing the ‘Nazi’ connection back to the present day Galician fascist problem in UA. But I’ve also enjoyed various of Nemesis’ previous posts … am actually surprised by their Nazi revanchism and associated belief that a shadowy global organisation of “The Jews” is responsible for Western globalism. I should probably do more than just skim the posts here but the bar has got a lot busier over the years!

Posted by: Zeug Gezeugt | Feb 2 2023 3:11 utc | 194

As this is mentioned, the ban of selling oil at capped price started yesterday. I guess Igor Sechin and others sold as much as possible before the decree came into force.

Posted by: Cyra | Feb 2 2023 3:29 utc | 196

Don Bacon @134
Those administrative bureaucrats in Brussels who are openly calling the shots for the EU do NOT have Agency. Just like all admin. bureau-rats, they are waiters…order takers. So where do those orders come from? Right from the top. There’s a certain privately held bank in City of London which runs the show. They have been called “Eye of the Octopus” and the “Eye of Sauron”. Same. Same.

Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 2 2023 3:52 utc | 198

With the delivery by the US of GLSDB, Ukrainian Wehrmacht will be able to strike as far as Bryansk, Kursk, and Stary Oryol.
With the delivery of ATACMS (which will come, sooner, rather than later, just like the F-16s and the Abrams, and, dare I say it, tactical nukes, if Ukraine is on the ropes), even Voronezh is threatened.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/31700

Posted by: Down South | Feb 2 2023 4:00 utc | 200