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February 10, 2023

Twitter Censorship And The Crapification Path Of Social Media

On January 6 I wrote about the Twitter files:

Twitter Files Show How The Deep State Conquered Social Media

Part of the quoted reporting by Matt Taibbi, Bari Weiss and others was about Twitter censorship:

Twitter Files Part 2, by @BariWeiss, December 8, 2022

TWITTER’S SECRET BLACKLISTS

Bari Weiss gives a long-awaited answer to the question, “Was Twitter shadow-banning people?” It did, only the company calls it “visibility filtering.” Twitter also had a separate, higher council called SIP-PES that decided cases for high-visibility, controversial accounts.

Key revelations: Twitter had a huge toolbox for controlling the visibility of any user, including a “Search Blacklist” (for Dan Bongino), a “Trends Blacklist” for Stanford’s Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, and a “Do Not Amplify” setting for conservative activist Charlie Kirk. Weiss quotes a Twitter employee: “Think about visibility filtering as being a way for us to suppress what people see to different levels. It’s a very powerful tool.” With help from @abigailshrier, @shellenbergermd, @nelliebowles, and @isaacgrafstein.

This was of special interest to me as my account, @MoonofA, was throttled:

Until late 2021 my Twitter account @MoonofA, which I mostly use to promote my writings here, was not allowed to grow beyond 19,500 followers. There were also signs that tweets by me were not shown to users who were following me. After my account was released from the growth prison it rapidly grew to 47,500 followers in the fall of 2022. It then again went into growth prison for no discernible reason and without me getting any notice of it. Now anytime my follower count increases by 100 or so it will automatically be slashed back to 47,450 followers. There are also again signs that tweets from my account are again 'shadowbanned'.

Someone at Twitter must have read the above. One or two days after I published the piece my account was again allowed to grow. It has since gained more than 2,500 new followers for a total of more than 50,000.


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I do not know though to what degree I am still shadow banned or not.

The original idea of Twitter was that you will see the tweets and retweets by those people you follow (and preferable only those) in your timeline. Over time that has been perverted again and again. Tweets from some accounts were suppressed by 'visibility filtering', i.e not show in their followers timelines. Tweets of people one did not follow were inserted into one's stream. (Using https://tweetdeck.twitter.com in a browser seems to largely avoid the later issue.)

Both of those issues are typical for social media. Services like Facebook and Twitter get first build so that they are easy to use. To grow they must have features that people like and find useful. The first phase of optimization of a service is done for that purpose.

When the social media service has acquired a sufficient number of regular users, and 'eyeballs' that can be monetized, the optimization aim changes. Most things done after that are no longer user orientated but to maximize the income of the service via advertisements or sales. When money is in the game fraud via automated accounts and other manipulations will inevitably follow.

Any social media service will also have some power over its users by being able to push some content and withhold other. Power attracts governments and politicians who will want to manipulate it for their purposes. The introduction of censorship follows. Thus the FBI gets to decide which accounts get throttled or shadow banned.

Everything that follows after the first phase of optimizing the user experience will inevitably crappify a service. Soon this will impede growth. Then follows the decline of user numbers. AOL, MySpace and Facebook are primary examples for this process.

Twitter was well on its way to the point of decline. If Elon Musk wants to make it profitable he will have to think hard on how to achieve that.

My advice would be to optimize for user experience only and to concentrate on the core features. This must be done in carefully thought out tiny steps. Put a hard limit on the influence of advertisement sales and government influence. (Think of sales as an (necessary?) add-on, not as a core service.) Neither should be allowed to influence the users' experience. 

Posted by b on February 10, 2023 at 16:28 UTC | Permalink

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all these platforms suck.... 90 % crap, and maybe 10% relevant... it is bound to happen when it is controlled by the intel agencies and all about a corporation making money... there is nothing pretty about it... i admire you get some traction on it b, but i still think these mediums suck because of the ownership and influence the intel agencies have over them...

Posted by: james | Feb 10 2023 16:32 utc | 1

Wow! Full court press on all dissent via occulted means...meaning that the mass of Twitter followers and elsewhere will be "insulated" from "off message" communications. Some very powerful people, $hotcallers for sure, are doing all they can to maintain control over interpersonal communications. They simply do not want people to know what's going on in this Bank$ter dominated dystopia.

Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 10 2023 16:34 utc | 2

(b.). You cite the role of the FBI. From both experience and research, the mission of that entity is twofold: To create criminals and to stifle dissent. Question is, who actually controls the Bureau. The pyramidal pattern of control is clearly delineated on the ass-end of the $1 "Federal" Reserve note. The Eye of Horus, hovering over the control pyramid is the signifier.

Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 10 2023 16:40 utc | 3

Everything that follows after the first phase of optimizing the user experience will inevitably crappify a service.

I experienced this with Netflix. Thing is, they became so influential and large that they co-crapified the whole series and movies market. Other social media did this to journalism and media.

Posted by: alek_a | Feb 10 2023 16:42 utc | 4

I never did bother with Twitter until recently, just so i could watch the scales tip. What astounded me was that due in part to less banning and censorship there were released swarms of shills, bots and trolls. They are of very poor quality as compared to the fine specimens we have here. I sometimes take a whack at them, and whaddayaknow after responding to a vulgar troll with the Wagner Group quote "Surrender or Die" I get throttled for 12 hours! I realize it's all crap, and that in all likelihood a honeytrap to entice people back to the fold but it does my heart good to see the thousands of posts calling out corrupt institutions for all to see (one assumes)

It's worth noting that there has been some significant pushback re: USAn Alphabets colluding with Social media platforms. One could argue that nothing fundimentally will change, but it's worth taking note how the tide is turning.

Posted by: Chevrus | Feb 10 2023 16:42 utc | 5

'FreeDumb of Speech', diversity of voices, viewpoints & opinion, accessible facts, in action or controlled/filtered & managed opposition, living in the pseudo-4th Reich of the 'Garden' of Empire.

Have no Twatter account, therefore do not sign on, no timeline nor alerts, yet with a browser plugin have full view & search access to Twatter.

Manually visit yours & others bookmarked Twatter URL daily.

Sadly expect this situ will become much worse before any possibility of getting better. The relentless incremental restraints/restrictions/thought-crimes & profound targeted consequences thereof have only gotten evermore Orwellian over the last 30+ years ... :(

Posted by: Outraged | Feb 10 2023 16:49 utc | 6

Everything that follows after the first phase of optimizing the user experience will inevitably crappify a service.

Cory Doctorow call this enshittification. Somehow related to captive markets and Financialization.

Posted by: proflutz | Feb 10 2023 17:00 utc | 7

ActivityPub services seem like a good basis for new social media platforms. They're interoperable and enable users to autonomously manage their own servers, or join servers operated by people they trust. They're not "censorship proof" (in fact some things should be censored), but they do avoid the issues b mentions, like being bombarded with tweets or posts that the curation algorithm thinks will keep you posting. Mastodon for example never recommends any posts to me. I only see what my followers post. I can look around at what other people are posting, but I don't have to if I don't want to.

Twitter is a profit-making enterprise first and foremost. Selling ads is paramount to meeting profitability goals. Twitter has maintained its popularity post-takeover because of network effects: all the people I want to follow are still there, not on Mastodon or Pleroma or any other ActivityPub service. Bar flies, and b, may be interested in these as alternative social networks though, and moving from twitter to the activity web would help shift the network effects away from big tech and toward an inherently decentralized web experience.

This website explains how the protocol works. I think it has a bright future if enough people adopt it. Unfortunately adoption is slow and network effects work to keep people posting elsewhere.

Posted by: fnord | Feb 10 2023 17:01 utc | 8

There is some inverse ratio whereby the smarter the tech, the dumber the user. Or maybe it's the ubiquitous full-spectrum-dominance propaganda over the course of a century that has done the trick. But, whatever, at the height civilization more folks are dumber than ever before.

Posted by: gottlieb | Feb 10 2023 17:04 utc | 9

"My advice would be to optimize for user experience only and to concentrate on the core features. This must be done in carefully thought out tiny steps. Put a hard limit on the influence of advertisement sales and government influence. (Think of sales as an (necessary?) add-on, not as a core service.) Neither should be allowed to influence the users' experience."

An admirable sentiment, though we all know that in order to be legally and commercially viable, these companies must reckon with the authorities' 'requests'.

This inevitably leads to a modus vivendi which will try to balance commercial success and surveillance, but ultimately always prioritises control over longevity.

The Deep State machine can always prey on the next big platform to emerge, whereas there is no plan b for this deposed by an uncontrolled revolution.

Posted by: Et Tu | Feb 10 2023 17:04 utc | 10

@fnord | Feb 10 2023 17:01 utc | 8

Twitter is a profit-making enterprise first and foremost.

No, it is not.

As of 2022, Twitter is not profitable. In fact, in 2021, on $5 billion in revenues, Twitter generated over $220 million in net losses. In Q2 2022, on $1.17 billion in revenues, Twitter posted a net loss of $270 million. https://fourweekmba.com/is-twitter-profitable/

Twitter is a tool for manipulation and control.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 10 2023 17:05 utc | 11

Adding to this crapification will be AI created content, fake identifies, and constant rewriting of history. It will be like 1984 on steroids.

You can look at Wikipedia talk pages to see censorship being practiced. A site like this would be flagged as "fringe" or "truthism" and since it doesn't refer to peer reviewed propaganda organs, it is not "newsworthy" and links to it should be deleted.


Censorship can be automated easily. Deleting and replacing articles with new bot created content could be used to erase people and historical events. Wikipedia could be rewritten and the version history could be deleted to "save space".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Architects_%26_Engineers_for_9/11_Truth << the conversation here is outrageous and indicates the left wing / propaganda bias of Wikipedia


Perhaps some day, anything a blogger links to will be simply be instructions to AI bots to investigate, shutdown and/or rewrite content.


One of the most amazing recent exposes was that dozens of organizations work directly with the FBI, through secret message boards, to collect censorship demands, and that Facebook and Twitter and Google are, effectively, state controlled propaganda organs with numerous FBI operatives employed throughout these organizations.

PP

Posted by: PP | Feb 10 2023 17:07 utc | 12

I hate all advertisements. Marketing is about selling you something you don't need. Ad's and marketeers belong in the dustbin of history...along with Victoria Nuland and a stone axe!

Posted by: zeke2u | Feb 10 2023 17:11 utc | 13

These SocialMedia platforms are in theory private companies to make a buck to sway minds their way, who can do what they like with their product, ie their reason for being. They are Govt allowed & censored.

Those of us who don’t like this are either banned or don’t look at the adverts(easy) & if it becomes a waste of time looking in simply don’t.

Go back to ye ole time web, visit web sites for alternate povs, look for message sites from the other side but also beware. Use your brain don't waste it.

Just saying… from this nobody who has been banned by Twitter, Instagram YouNow, for merely questioning the Zionist Israel’s right to keep on killing life on earth

Posted by: sadness | Feb 10 2023 17:13 utc | 14

As a corollary follow up to

Posted by: Et Tu | Feb 10 2023 17:04 utc | 10

here are some interesting videos for anyone interested in the recent developments in AI, which is surely shaping up to be the next centre of gravity in the mind and narrative control wars.

PJW homourous takes on ChatGPT:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa9niIbk31Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG_PhkmrPxw

A Tech Youtuber's analysis and follow up of recent AI 'wars' between Google and Microsoft:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh5i5obZ8OY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X1O5AS4nTc

Posted by: Et Tu | Feb 10 2023 17:14 utc | 15

According to The Conservative Treehouse, Twitter was enhanced by the use of free government servers because it was set up as a propaganda and surveillance platform.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/04/17/jacks-magic-coffee-shop/

The Conservative Treehouse still believes that there are pre-filters in place in the releases of the Twitter files. Elon Musk has discovered the mechanism for control in the State Department.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/02/06/giddy-up-elon-musk-identifies-the-state-dept-origin-behind-twitter-content-control-mechanisms/

Posted by: Belle | Feb 10 2023 17:15 utc | 16

About a month or so ago, Elon Musk stated that there is a hidden layer of content restriction in the code that was not visible at the surface level. He said he is trying to root it out and he even spoke of just chunking the code and rebuilding something new from scratch. I think old Twitter was doing alot to suppress speech they didn't like and working on suppression from multiple levels of code some hidden some not. I haven't heard anything about the status of those efforts.

Posted by: Trimalchio | Feb 10 2023 17:19 utc | 17

@ sadness | Feb 10 2023 17:13 utc | 14

You should know better than to question those people. Haven’t they suffered enough ? 😿

Posted by: Featherless | Feb 10 2023 17:21 utc | 18

The blatant manipulation of Federal elections is essentially treason and everyone involved should have the death penalty hanging over their heads for the rest of their lives.

Posted by: kassandra | Feb 10 2023 17:22 utc | 19

LOL... I returned to Twitter after a long absence shortly after Musk cleaned up the place.

My account was soon locked for a comment on John Brennan's defense of Anthony Fauci, something to the effect that both lied to Congress and "birds of a feather hang together". That was reported as inciting violence.

In order to get out of Twitter jail, they wanted my mobile phone number. Hard pass.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 10 2023 17:24 utc | 20

".. the conversation here is outrageous and indicates the left wing / propaganda bias of Wikipedia..."

PP@12

You torpedo your own credibility when you claim that Wikipedia is left wing. Nothing could be further from the truth. Craig Murray exposed the extreme right wing bias of the 'encyclopedia' a couple of years ago. In the meantime maybe look up Jimmy Wales-he is a fanatical 'libertarian' with a fundamentalist's devotion to capitalism. To call such a person "left wing" is to rob the teerm of any meaning. What people like you generally mean by left wing is that the subject doesn't wear a tie or isn't married with two kids...

Posted by: bevin | Feb 10 2023 17:27 utc | 21

I first encountered the FBI in 1968. They wanted to talk to me. I was in a classroom at my high school and I am pretty sure they knew that. Instead of visiting the school they went to the family house and knocked on the door. My mother was home and two agents terrorized her. She had a heart attack.

Causing a heart attack was not the purpose of the visit, that it happened certainly was not a problem.

From very beginning FBI was about making life easy for organized crime while feeding the public a story about how crime was being controlled. Sure it was controlled, it became part of government.

Do ot expect government to do anything positive. With new technology government gets to play new games. Elon Musk and his Tesla toy live by government subsidy. Elon is as surely a government worker as Merrick Garland or Jack Dorsey..

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 10 2023 17:37 utc | 22

@bevin

Indeed, folks should use the expression « fake left » instead IMO.

Posted by: Featherless | Feb 10 2023 17:41 utc | 23

yes...let's have them put advertisers on the back burner or give them up entirely. even though twitter doesn't make anything (except metric tonnes of tard and fail) and that's their only revenue stream. twitter needs to either die and go back to hell where it came from or be broken up. that's been the most annoying thing about any discussion of the "platform"; people acting like it's a force of nature with an inherent right to exist even after musk turned it into his personal attention whore xanadu.

social media is fine for social tweens or finding home for kittens or keeping up with nana and peepaw in their golden years. otherwise it becomes a part time job just separating the kinda useful stuff from the outright dogsh_t.

Posted by: the pair | Feb 10 2023 17:44 utc | 24

Crapify: nice turn of phrase, is there an app for that?

Posted by: Crapify Me | Feb 10 2023 17:44 utc | 25

Yeah, the whole twitter thing is just about like facebook.
Basically, from conception to execution, it was intended to be a social control mechanism.
Somebody stumbled upon the fact, or was introduced to the fact, that digital communications platforms and technologies (especially interactive ones), which directly influenced the auditory and optical neural pathways and nerve centers of the human brain just so happened to be very effective at manipulating and controlling the mind of those that these technologies were applied to, especially to those who happen to be unaware of this particular phenomena.
It's not such a nice thing actually, but that is why these technologies were deployed.

Posted by: Josh | Feb 10 2023 17:47 utc | 26

First comment but as I've been locked out of my Twitter account since March 3 of last year, I'd be curious to know if any other MOA readers were locked out for tweeting links to The Saker?

Posted by: Mark Gisleson | Feb 10 2023 17:48 utc | 27

@ Mark Gisleson | Feb 10 2023 17:48 utc | 27

i'd say you can take that to the bank, although i am not on twitter so i am not one of them to confirm your suspicions.. that is how that shit works..

Posted by: james | Feb 10 2023 17:50 utc | 28

I got off of social media completely

it creates echo chambers, and rots the brain

do yourself a favor and delete your social media accounts

and if you really want to improve your life, you will throw your IdiotPhone out the window of a moving automobile at 70MPH, and never buy another one!!

Posted by: Oldcutlas | Feb 10 2023 17:51 utc | 29

@ Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 10 2023 17:05 utc | 11

The fact that it has yet to make a profit does not mean that it is operated without profit-making in mind. This is especially true now that Elon Musk owns it. Social media without the collection of personal data for advertising is not profitable and has to be run non-commercially, e.g. by a network of volunteers hosting a Mastodon instance. Selling ads is a big part of keeping the lights on at twitter HQ. Advertising is itself a "tool for manipulation and control." The only way to get around this is for social media to be run by explicitly non-commercial entities for non-commercial purposes. It is the commercialization of communication that is at fault for the way twitter can effectively censor and control the social discourse in the first place.

@ Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 10 2023 17:37 utc | 22

The fact that Tesla stock value jumped after Biden announced more tax credits for EVs should tell you everything. Despite the public animosity between the two, Biden is Musk's best friend when Musk wears the Tesla CEO cap.

Posted by: fnord | Feb 10 2023 17:54 utc | 30

"Marketing is about selling you something you don't need."

zeke2u @13

That's up to the potential customer. Ads and marketing beside being entertaining and ridiculous at times help me decide which brand to buy. Who are you to decide what anyone beside yourself needs or wants?

But yes, Victoria Nuland to the dustbin or a court of justice.

Posted by: Art Thomas | Feb 10 2023 17:56 utc | 31

@ Oldcutlas | Feb 10 2023 17:51 utc | 29

Gave my TV away 22 years ago, cancelled cable, no Social media accounts (doesn't mean one can't selectively view/search/reference 'em), cell phone is purely for 'Emergency' outgoing calls only & OFF. No WiFi.

Multilayered, external & internal hardware & software filtering of Ads & malware. Even the likes of youtube are ad-free(except source embedded(Fast Forward!). Significantly faster, responsive internet access. Cannot recall how many years ago it was I was last forcibly exposed to even a single advert online. Bliss.

Posted by: Outraged | Feb 10 2023 18:13 utc | 32

Beyond pushing a narrative Social Media is also used as a surveillance tool.

In an ideal world confederated internet platforms would have an open source back end. That is, their aggregated data would be available for arbitrary queries.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 10 2023 18:16 utc | 33

I do not know though to what degree I am still shadow banned or not.

The answer can be found here:

https://shadowban.yuzurisa.com/MoonofA

Posted by: Jax | Feb 10 2023 18:18 utc | 34

@Art #31

I make buying decisions by reading the reviews of others that have consumed, not by what the ad's say.

Posted by: zeke2u | Feb 10 2023 18:21 utc | 35

Posted by: bevin | Feb 10 2023 17:27 utc | 21

Wiki is an NGO in all but name. Anything that adverts to the interests of the US empire is bent. My stuff isn't thoughy. ;O)

Posted by: Squeeth | Feb 10 2023 18:23 utc | 36

@Art #31

Oh, I forgot...I prefer the dust-bin to a corrupt justice department that never prosecutes the real horrific war criminals.

Posted by: zeke2u | Feb 10 2023 18:24 utc | 37

internet 2.0 has become the propaganda arm of the U.S. security state. It’s a new kind of propaganda because you can interact with it. If you say pro- state things, you get astroturfed likes and smilies. If you say critical things you get downvoted, nasty people attack you (tools of the state, themselves weaponized by positive feedback) and no one sees what you wrote.

So avoid it. It’s not an open town square. Just have high level private conversations.

Posted by: GoFast | Feb 10 2023 18:30 utc | 38

1) I think that what B has done here is impressive and a great social contribution - B (and those others like him) is a light in the darkness. Where would we be without them.

2) I am amazed that of all things Musk thought he should use his billions to salvage Twitter. How about a high quality global educational (as in math, science, history, language, ...) video and written platform instead? How about a medical information website as an aid to third world. These would have to be done offshore (of developed world). Whatever.

3) While I understand the in the inmmediate term, Twitter may be useful for getting a message out, what kind of people use Twitter really - I would say those in "the industry" and people enamored with tech (so not "real" people). I cannot see why I should bother with Twitter. For many worthwhile news sites, I do happily give them my public email address and get full messages with prose and links etc. I can readily forward emails, if I think I should.

4) The problem of the alt news sites (in my view) is not primarily Twitter but that they are not particularly tech savy nor marketing savy and maybe they are a bit reclusive, anti-social, self absorbed. The posting of good links to other worthwhile sources of news is very powerful and under utilized. Caitlin had an ingenious idea (I expect no less from her) to post messages in a format suitable for printing on a single page and suggested her readers print and leave for people to find - I suspect some agency did not like that idea it quickly disappeared. Also the forums are very educational, but need to be tolerant but monitor for abusive or distracting content.

5) Personally, I dont carry a cell phone and my life is better for it and I look for solutions that dont involve cell phone.

Posted by: jared | Feb 10 2023 18:31 utc | 39

6) My main complaint with alternative news sites is they keep citing publications such as NY Times, Washington Post, , the BBC... Saying "Look what they are saying now - its so stupid." As far as I am concerned those publications serve no useful purpose and why would someone complain about the NYT publish propaganda - that is what it does, get over it.

Posted by: jared | Feb 10 2023 18:36 utc | 40

b. --
"my writings here, was not allowed to grow beyond 19,500 followers."

Not political, but I am experiencing a similar (exact) limitation on FB where my page(about the arts) steadily increased over a decade and then at ~19,500 followers (& 5,000 "friends") the reach of that page was frozen for a very long while.

I found out why. (censorship for a reason, but not a political reason). To wit:

All of a sudden my approving interactions ~quadrupled for ~10 days--bonkers!

Then FB began contacting me--wanting me to "monetize."

I refused. My page immediately returned to suspended animation.

In my case it was all about the Benjamins--the ones they wanted me to earn for them.

I relate this here, first because of the eerie similarity to b.'s experience and, second to posit censorship is truly endemic across the (spider's) Web. Everywhere. Indicating fascism is the name of the game?

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Feb 10 2023 18:41 utc | 41

Chevrus @5

Thanks for the insights on those social-media platforms. So the pushback is gaining steam, eh? Those intel trolls and bots must be scratching their heads and perhaps their butts as well. Confusion sometimes creates consciousness openings...even if they are well paid for their stinking efforts.

Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 10 2023 18:51 utc | 42

gottlieb @9

Excellent insights and great line: "the smarter the tech, the dumber the user". The American general public in general has been consistently dumbed-down deliberately for more than a hundred years now...thanks to the efforts and funding of John D. Rottenfeller, most devious of the Ruling Elite moneymongers.

Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 10 2023 18:58 utc | 43

Bevin @21

You have a habit of starting off with a more than half-valid premise and then promptly ideologically proceed to slobber all over the place. Time to grown up to the realization that the Deep $tate and its owners are fully in control over Wickedpedia...constantly utilizing the old scheme of "Divide et Impere". (divide and rule). Idealogues are readily trapped within such a net.

Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 10 2023 19:06 utc | 44

Old Hippie @22

Yes, those FEEBEE operatives always seek out their targeted individual's most susceptible and vulnerable flanks. There is a monstrous evil permeating the old self-hating Drag-Queen's Bureau. They even named their headquarters after that devious male bitch.

Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 10 2023 19:10 utc | 45

Oppourt knocks. I quit twitter years ago. One day this woman come on my feed screaming about the evils of weed and I said. She must be stoned. Banned for inciting violence. Beyond nonsense.

Posted by: Tannenhhouser | Feb 10 2023 19:10 utc | 46

I have never and will never open a tw@ttter account.

The advantages of NOT having one far outweigh any supposed benefits.

I use a VPN on the internet to make any comments I wish and as I keep from making remarks that certain moderators on certain forums would be triggered by, virtually all get published.

Whilst I realize there are intelligent and informed people on Tw@tter, they are few and far between and wading through the utter cr@p spouted by politicians, celebrities, fools and knaves seems a very unecessary waste of my time.


Posted by: Beibdnn. | Feb 10 2023 19:10 utc | 47

Josh @ 26

Keen observations. Thanx.

Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 10 2023 19:11 utc | 48

Norskie @11

"Commercialization of Communication". If this line is original with you it displays an acute and astute utilization of English as a second language. Also, it may indicate to some, me included, that you too once or more experienced life as a Skald.

Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 10 2023 19:15 utc | 49

I was permanently banned from Twatter for writing things that they stated were against their policies. I never would write anything to degrade or cause harm. Never had and never will. I wrote them to close my account with them but keep getting the runaround and can’t even close the account. Never even got an answer about why I was banned and the content of my tweets. I always wrote in a sarcastic manner and tone but never to hurt anyone. To me Twatter can go fly a kite. P.S. And this happened to me when Musk took over! How do you like them bananas?

Posted by: Jose Garcia | Feb 10 2023 19:22 utc | 50

aristodemos @ 45

Thank you for understanding this. It is not a matter of nicely asking the masters to please play fair. It is a matter of confronting evil. I don't know how to rid the world of evil. First step most emphatically is to recognize evil.

Later when in prison FBI attempted to recruit me. They did recruit some of my cellies. Those men received a complete brain transplant, they became unrecognizable non-human creatures. Prison recruiting is SOP.

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 10 2023 19:22 utc | 51

Not sure why a free speech operation would need to turn a profit anyway.

Posted by: liveload | Feb 10 2023 19:33 utc | 52

# 22 malevolent oppression, control and targeted assassination when all else fails. What more can you ask for, from a government agency .

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 10 2023 19:38 utc | 53

2200 leopard 2 tanks in Europe total sent to ukraine so far zero.

Nato inventory barely touched

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Feb 10 2023 19:58 utc | 54

Social media in a nutshell:

Sell users data
Make users consume ads
Make users consume propaganda and ideology
Make users spread your propaganda and ideology
Make users waste their lifetime
Make users feel unhappy
Make users pay for it

Posted by: Vikichka | Feb 10 2023 19:59 utc | 55

oldhippie | Feb 10 2023 19:22 utc | 51
What a fascinating character you are.
To be on a “person of interest” in high school. I’m somewhat in awe.
To go to prison for your beliefs… that’s genuine bravery.
thank you.
I wish there were more like you.
I wish I thought I had similar courage.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 10 2023 19:59 utc | 56

I don’t have an twapper account. But I use it for research.
Account users post the most astonishing stuff.
Like the 86th airborne, who posted pics of themselves in sniper positions at Kabul airport.
Then a day later almost 100 people died of gunshot/ sniper fire …at Kabul airport.
I had the tweet in the archive.is system for a while. But it’s gone…. The memoryhole is now sentient.
One account Musk himself follows is @Catturd2.
He’s been in twitmo for a year or so, but is back annoying the shit out of the powerful and pretentious.
His thread right now echoes this thread of b’s.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 10 2023 20:10 utc | 57

@gottlieb, #9:

But, whatever, at the height civilization more folks are dumber than ever before.

Ain't that the truth!

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 10 2023 20:34 utc | 58

Test post...Just had two comments flushed automatically. Am I banned or is there a problem with my IP or the site?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 10 2023 20:40 utc | 59

Welp, it must have been an issue with the substack URL I tried to post.

I guess I'll restate what I typed in much more abbreviated fashion.

1) My experience with Twatter and MoA mirror's b's observations. I have two Twitter handles (one is a sock for anonymity) and both follow MoA. Never once - not a single time - has one of b's tweets entered my feed. However, almost every day a tweet from someone I have no interest in or whose views I diametrically oppose is injected right into the top 2 or 3 of my feed. They are definitely throttling/suppressing MoA and other sites like Consortium News.

2) Highly recommend this article which is actually quite on-topic. It reads like a guy who thinks like Michael Hudson but specific to the tech and venture capital world. I think the URL probably caused my other two posts to be deleted, so I'm breaking it up here. Again, highly recommended along with his other writings.

ht tps : // ez.sub stack .c om/p/the-rot-economy

Fingers crossed this one makes it through the filter.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 10 2023 20:45 utc | 60

"...Time to grown up to the realization that the Deep $tate and its owners are fully in control over Wickedpedia...constantly utilizing the old scheme of "Divide et Impere". (divide and rule). Idealogues are readily trapped within such a net..." aristodemos@44

And who are these "owners of the Deep State"?
Your entire output is premissed on the conceit that you know who the masters of the universe are and, implicitly, that you know how they exercise their power. As I recently pointed out this is your ideology-it lies behind everything that you claim.
But the sad truth is that your ideology, the secret sauce that you pour onto current events, is nothing more impressive than the old, stinking bigotry of antisemitism. And all the bad puns in the language can't rescue that from the sewer in which it swims.
(Thanks for translating "Divide and Rule" incidentally.)
As to idealogues they are defined, in distinction from ideologues, as people with fanciful ideas or theories. And I can think of few theories more fanciful than that the world is ruled by City of London Jews who control, among all else, the United States government and the Deep State behind it.
A more precise term for such people might be demented paranoiacs.

Posted by: bevin | Feb 10 2023 21:22 utc | 61

@ Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 10 2023 20:45 utc | 60

thanks tom.. i managed to get to it and will read it now - the rot economy by ed z..

Posted by: james | Feb 10 2023 21:25 utc | 62

But, whatever, at the height civilization more folks are dumber than ever before.
Ain't that the truth!

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 10 2023 20:34 utc | 58

dumb or mentally ill?

Posted by: Vikichka | Feb 10 2023 21:27 utc | 63

@ bevin | Feb 10 2023 21:22 utc | 61

OT - bevin, i think you have to admit money is a driving force in a lot of the decision making happening in the halls of political power... why is it that the wef is having such undue influence over apparent democracies? i think this is all fairly obvious, without going down an anti-semite track... we saw the same thing with big pharma pushing an agenda... you seen unwilling to consider this angle.. i find that odd..

Posted by: james | Feb 10 2023 21:29 utc | 64

They have commercialized communication. That pretty much says it all. Needless to say I have nothing to do with "anti" social media. Have you noticed that people are Less social than ever since social media? Just one more tool for the ruling classes to divide and conquer us. The organs of propaganda are more powerful and omnipresent than ever. Pharoah and his priest classes didn't have the reach. Hitler and Goebbels didn't. The stasi didn't. Even in Orwellian 1984 BIG brother didn't. Now we're going to be adding AI to the Mix along with the schools "have you noticed what they have kids from 5 to 25 believing", the church, the media, the corporate hucksters, the government and and. They're finally legalizing marijuana to mellow you out and accept more BS.

Posted by: Bob | Feb 10 2023 21:35 utc | 65

Posted by: james | Feb 10 2023 21:25 utc | 62

Great, thanks for confirming it's accessible and not too confusing to put it back together. I wonder why that particular Substack URL gets automatically deleted by this platform's software/settings.

Anyway, let me know what you think. I was quite impressed with the guy's ability to explain a lot of the bullshit in that world for what it is. He writes well on labor and the gig economy in the tech world too.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 10 2023 21:37 utc | 66

I remember a long time ago Kadyrov had his Twitter account removed making it clear at the time Twitter was never to be a neutral platform regardless of the verbiage coming from Dorsey's mouth. Although I consult Twitter quite a lot, I never joined it nor will I ever do. It's regrettable that so many users producing so much fine content can't do that on neutral non-compromised platforms free from manipulation. I also consult Telegram quite a lot which I probably also never will join but which at least has a lot less manipulation.

Posted by: xor | Feb 10 2023 21:45 utc | 67

Posted by: xor | Feb 10 2023 21:45 utc | 67

You might check out Mastodon. I don't know your politics but it seems to be where many of the actual left and anti-imperialists have migrated from Twatter.

https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/what-is-mastodon-the-alternative-social-network-now-blocked-by-twitter/

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 10 2023 21:58 utc | 68

If 200 million daily twitter users spend an average of 30 minutes on twitter, then that is the same as 160 70-year lives wasted daily.

The cumulative work-hours lost on social media must be huge.

Posted by: Passerby | Feb 10 2023 22:24 utc | 69

It has always been bullshit. The notion of a public diary page is arrogant, immature, dumb, phony-by-definition, etc etc. Drives me nuts that so many (nearly all?!) adults got on board.

Posted by: Rae | Feb 10 2023 22:31 utc | 70

5) Personally, I dont carry a cell phone and my life is better for it and I look for solutions that dont involve cell phone.

Posted by: jared | Feb 10 2023 18:31 utc | 39

I do not carry a smart phone, my wireless company offers "stupid phones" for free , and low monthly rate. But I am told that that would prevent me from using Uber or AirBill, and for sure, I am loosing some supermarket coupons. For such reason, I should install emulator for smart phone apps on my MacBook Air, but instructions to do so seem very complicated, and assume that I want to play games.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 10 2023 22:33 utc | 71

I can think of few theories more fanciful than that the world is ruled by City of London Jews who control, among all else, the United States government and the Deep State behind it.
A more precise term for such people might be demented paranoiacs.

Posted by: bevin | Feb 10 2023 21:22 utc | 61

Honestly, I am skipping some passages written in these pages, but a simpler theory that rich Jews control banks, media and US government has wide circulation. Wall Street is mentioned more frequently than City of London ...

Moreover, while personally I would view this theory as simplistic and too limited, it does have explanatory power. Why Jews are over-represented among bankers and other financial institution to such a degree that "Occupy Wall Street" was immediately deemed "anti-Semitic"? Or why they are over-represented among publicity-hungry foreign policy hawks? Why the latter jump so easily from one set of political appointments to another, by the opposite party? Why foreign policy hawks adore Israel so much, instead of France or Germany, or even UK?

This theory has some limitations, but answering those questions with a single simple assumption is not easy. So perhaps it is like "simplistic Newton theory" that does not account for effects of relativity and quantum mechanics?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 10 2023 22:47 utc | 72

Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 10 2023 20:40 utc | 59
Obviously I’m not the owner of the blog, or moderator of policy.
But I could see zero zilch nada reason for you to be banned here.
You’re posts are articulate and well argued.
You’ve only every been civil, even in disagreement with someone.
A bar regular I always read.
My 2c.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 10 2023 22:49 utc | 73

Correction: This [stinking?] theory has some limitations, but answering those questions withOUT ITS single simple assumption is not easy

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 10 2023 22:49 utc | 74

"If Elon Musk wants to make it profitable he will have to think hard on how to achieve that."


He will not be allowed to, because the existence of one platform of free speech would immediately jeopardise all the others controlled by the CIA some everyone interested in free speech would midyear to it.

You only managed to get shadowbanned and follower restricted? You're lucky. I gave up on Twitter after being suspended no fewer than 9 times, and by the end they weren't even trying to give reasons for suspension. Not one of those accounts has been restored in the Melon Husk era. Despite anything Melon Husk says, pro Russia views are still suppressed on Twitter.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 10 2023 22:53 utc | 75

*migrate, not midyear. I just woke up.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 10 2023 22:55 utc | 76

PP | Feb 10 2023 17:07 utc | 12
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Architects_%26_Engineers_for_9/11_Truth << the conversation here is outrageous and indicates the left wing / propaganda bias of Wikipedia

I think it is incorrect to use the word "left-wing" to describe either Wikipedia or the Hillary Clinton establishment inside the US Democratic Party or any news source that utilizes former military or CIA assets to spread US deep-state propaganda.

I think it is fair to say that the Democratic Party departed from any meaningful resistance to corrupt deep-state capture and control of the US, if there ever was any real Democratic resistance, after Bill Clinton formed the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) in 1987-8 in order to further open the spigots of corporate lucre to Democratic Party coffers.

Prior to then, it was customary to associate blind support for high military budgets and US wars and covert paramilitary organs hidden in the US executive branch more with the Republican Party; now, this is no longer so. Covert surveillance, perversion of public media toward Orwellian manufacture of consent and unlimited USG acts of war and of atrocities abroad are unquestioningly supported by a majority of both parties.

Any support of "left-wing" causes by the DNC now is only a part of the puppet-show of public elections that operate under the "bi-partisan consensus" of private control of the debt-based US money supply and the associated military empire to support it.

True "left wingers" have always been about securing fair pay for fair work by US workers, dismantling authoritarian systems of suppression and control, and resisting the secrecy and unaccountability that goes with them. As a result, it is the US left wing that has historically been more likely to be murdered in its own bed by a covertly organized police assassination raid orchestrated by the FBI, and left-wingers historically resisting the totalitarian behavior of the FBI; Quick précis:

Some COINTELPRO files came to light in March of 1971 after a leftist group called the Citizens’ Committee to Investigate the FBI broke into a small Pennsylvania FBI office, seized documents, and disseminated them to news outlets. [This was before Nixon, in 1972, and Clinton, in 1996, initiated the gleichschaltung of US corporate media into the Orwellian nightmare it is today.]

Regarding Wikipedia, public exposure has been made of the bizarre behavioral profiles of some of the "editors" at Wikipedia who have come out in force to sanitize articles having to do with US and UK deep-state behavior; at the drop of a hat I can only produce a discussion of Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wale's predilections (via Greyzone, a "deprecated source" at Wikipedia) that are certainly not left-wing. (I don't include "woke" as left-wing; in fact, the normalization of manufacture of consent and suppression of freedom of speech is far more fitted to a totalitarian mentality than a truly progressive one.)

Posted by: aej | Feb 10 2023 22:58 utc | 77

When the social media service has acquired a sufficient number of regular users, and 'eyeballs' that can be monetized, the optimization aim changes. Most things done after that are no longer user orientated but to maximize the income of the service via advertisements or sales. When money is in the game fraud via automated accounts and other manipulations will inevitably follow.

I totally agree, and there's a wonderful book wrote by Shosana Zuboff (Surveillance Capitalism) explaining in deep how this works. The worst thing is that social media undermines your ability to think freely eventually.
Even here in Italy, a lot of ''dissident'' accounts have been shadowed or suspended on FB, Twitter and so on. By controlling the media you can master the so called ''reaction's control'' and address the public opinion to certain choices. e.g. Nayirah testimony.

Posted by: Alberto | Feb 10 2023 23:11 utc | 78

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 10 2023 22:49 utc | 73

Appreciate that. Same to you.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 10 2023 23:25 utc | 79

@ Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 10 2023 21:37 utc | 66

tom, i thought it was a good article.. insightful and summarizes a lot of the bullshit we are seeing today... i read an article that reminds me of this article, but it is on culture - ted gioia... - let see if this links. it is also substack..
The State of the Culture (2023)

Posted by: james | Feb 10 2023 23:39 utc | 80

Posted by: james | Feb 10 2023 23:39 utc | 80

Thanks I'll check that one out. Link worked fine.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 10 2023 23:43 utc | 81

can't miss the irony but i've noticed totally legit messages go down the black hole on MOA as well.

Posted by: cafe con leche | Feb 11 2023 0:21 utc | 82

oldhippie | Feb 10 2023 17:37 utc | 22
what a nightmare. as loath as I am these days to quote J St Clair at CP, for confirmation to the haters that what you describe happens ALL THE TIME:

re the Feb 7 execution in Missouri of Leonard “Raheem” Taylor and how the state "collected evidence", per his brother, Perry:

Over the next couple of weeks, Perry was followed, harassed, threatened, and arrested by the Missouri cops. He was interrogated for five hours, during which Perry later said he was coerced into giving a statement implicating his brother, a statement he fully recanted before the trial.

According to Perry, “Some detective right off the bat told me, ‘OK, before we get to the station, here’s what you’re going to say.” As part of the coercion, Perry claimed the cops made threats against his disabled mother and ransacked her apartment. “That’s the kind of shit that makes you hate law enforcement,” Perry later said in a deposition.

from this weekend's CP edition.

one function of social media is simply to "flood the zone", the attention span, with incoherence.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Feb 11 2023 0:40 utc | 83

cafe con leche | Feb 11 2023 0:21 utc | 82
stuff happens. not everything is a conspiracy against your deep thoughts. copy them down in a word processor first if they are so important, since 99% of this is USER ERROR.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Feb 11 2023 0:42 utc | 84

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 10 2023 22:33 utc | 71

I do not carry a smart phone, ... I am told that that would prevent me from using Uber ...

You can call a Lyft using only your browser (with a dumb phone to receive texts): ride.lyft.com

Posted by: Pacific Observer | Feb 11 2023 0:47 utc | 85

the most interesting thing about this story is that the state bans or flags or limits a voice whose policies and positions it is actively and wholeheartedly embracing.

namely, this utter piece of filth:
Dr. Jay Bhattacharya

the idea that the state controls ideas because it does not want them to be embraced, rather than that, oftentimes, these ideas are so awful, the populace cannot be permitted to get wind of them ahead of time.

particularly the policy of embracing mass death, as advocated by that Lord Bhattacharya. how easy to manipulate people w/the laughable idea that they are "censoring" this killer clown.

the idea that someone's opinions (Bari Weiss, e.g.) are worthy of censorship is itself part of the con job. depending on who we are talking about, of course. who has been more censored in human history than Glen Beck? maybe there has never been greater harm done to the Res Publica than Donald Trump not being allowed to tweet Americans to drink bleach for covid?

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Feb 11 2023 1:02 utc | 86

# 59 it’s the thought police : ………… You have been targeted.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 11 2023 1:10 utc | 87

@ Melaleuca re Tom_Q:
Hear, hear!

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 11 2023 1:12 utc | 88

badge of honor: who has been banned from twitter, and why?
less than a year ago, someone here at MoA posted a tweet of some Brit in camo in the jolly old green Shire recruiting people to go to Ukraine, claiming he was in Ukraine, he was so happy and chirpy about what a gay old time the war front is, standing outside a barn in ----shire.

i, probably stupidly, posted, "God I can't wait till the Russians put a bullet through this craven quisling's cranium, spouting off from England like he's out in the woods, rallying troops near Kiev"

"this account has been banned for advocating violence. give us your phone number or else." etc. yeah, don't think so, Elon.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Feb 11 2023 1:13 utc | 89

"Over time that has been perverted again and again."

Epstein's Lolita express. Holiday Island.

Musk has a bit of power backing him. US military have I think - from what I have read in the past - one third share in starlink. Where Trump failed - draning the swamp, Musk may well succeed.
Twitter files has blown the shit out of the fruits of US deep state labours. Musk sowed the seed. Now he just sits back and watches it grow.

Kudos to you b for being able to write about these geopolitical topics and stay sane.

More than a decade back I was hit with a physical health issue. The bantum roosters masquerading as medical specialists told me it was in my mind. I said ok, I want my mind fixed. In due course the shrink comes in. We talk for awhile, tqalk that seemed to go nowhere. I ask him "is the problem in my mind or is it a physical problem. He says "you have a physical problem. You need to see a doc.

Tried to do a bit of cleaning up the garden a few weeks back. It was Borrell or was it "I know nothink sholtz" jungle. The jungle and the garden. Insanity being the garden vs sanity being the jungle.

The so called west is a brainwashed mess. Keep up the good work b.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 11 2023 1:24 utc | 90

bevin | Feb 10 2023 21:22 utc | 61
thrift, bevin, thrift. it's a very economical explanation. and it's sole purpose? poison people's minds.

for the racist: don't ask how your beliefs justify your feeling the most vile things imaginable about another group of people. the obsession, the scapegoating, the resentment and desire for revenge, the envy ("how do they run banks, hollywood, universities, hospitals, etc., etc., etc., when my SNAP benefits are getting cut"). the psychological wounds of capitalism come first, the childish blame object, projection and rationalization come second. a social set up can get a lot of mileage out of the po' white folks needing to feel superior to the coloreds. or Jews. why go on strike (or better yet, quit) when a pogrom can be worked up instead?

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Feb 11 2023 1:27 utc | 91

Where Trump failed - draning the swamp, Musk may well succeed. Twitter files has blown the shit out of the fruits of US deep state labours.
Peter AU1 | Feb 11 2023 1:24 utc | 89

sure. trump was trying and people will see from some contrived media spectacle what they can't see from looking at Gitmo, an annual US military budget, or cops' actions in the street. the truth is on Twitter! get on it so trump and elon can drain the swamp!

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Feb 11 2023 1:36 utc | 92

Posted by: rjb1.5 | February 11, 2023 at 01:36
the revolution will be tweeted. great revolutionary thinkers and expert truth handlers like Elon and Trump will not be silenced.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Feb 11 2023 1:37 utc | 93

Posted by: james | Feb 10 2023 23:39 utc | 80

Great recommendation. I had just read another article by Gioia the other day on vinyl (LP records) and I'm familiar with him as a music (mostly jazz) critic.

The article you linked is very much of a piece with the Rot Economy one that I posted. Some very interesting and depressing factoids stayed with me.

86% of young people want to "grow up" to be an "influencer." - This tracks with what I've seen among friends' kids. Mine are too young. The future is scary.

The sheer volume of "content" being produced across the culture; music, art, books, etc. but the lack of consumers for the output. Almost like creation of content for its own sake or for growth's sake, like the Rot Economy!

I do wonder if his figures for musician earnings includes live concerts and especially private concerts given at places like Davos or to Middle Eastern despots like the Saudis or other Gulf Monarchies. Speaking of sellouts, right? And there's the whole thing about concert tickets and Ticketmaster type companies. Seems that they claim they can't prevent scalpers from immediately buying up all the tickets for big shows using algorithms and the fans are at the scalper's mercy. Just pure greed made worse by the crumbling late capitalist state.

Back to the kids - the audience of today and the future: I can also attest to the amount of 'screen time' they spend these days. And they do see the world through a lens comprised of one, maybe two different social media platforms.

Marvel Comics movies, mergers and acquisitions, lack of variety in what's coming out of that sphere (like Disney) and the hundreds of thousands of artists and writers in the "alt media" - It's hard to wrap my mind around exactly where he's going, but it sure does rhyme with what's happened in the news media, tech and finance. More more more....more siloed than ever.....but who's it really for?

I'll keep an eye out for the follow-up he briefly mentions here:

Now let’s get to the big question: Do we really want freelancers like MrBeast shaping the future of our culture?

That’s a complex matter. My response is that we deserve a culture in which there are hundreds or thousands of organizations doing audience development and outreach. (I will return again to this subject in the future on The Honest Broker—because it’s a matter of great importance.)

P.S. to malenkov, the feeling, as with melealuca, james, yourself, bevin and others is by all means mutual. Thanks for saying that.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 11 2023 1:47 utc | 94

"the revolution will be tweeted. "

LOL
For those who don't get that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnJFhuOWgXg

Posted by: jinn | Feb 11 2023 1:51 utc | 95

B - MoA was lucky; ClimatAudit is still heavily shadow banned and growth restricted. Delving for actual facts on shady stuff is not appreciated by the Anglo-Saxons.
Of course the CCP is much worse: Twitter totally banned inside China but heavily exploited by the 50 cents army outside.

Can we get out of this binary thinking that there are only two options? India, Russia and the EU for example could team up to form a counter pole three.

Posted by: Antonym | Feb 11 2023 2:06 utc | 96

You are definitely being shadowbanned. I follow you on twitter and almost never do your tweets get thru to me.

Posted by: John Neal Spangler | Feb 11 2023 2:22 utc | 97

All this commentary about who the members of the God Of Mammon cult are when it is OT and irrelevant.

Getting rid of individual or group members of the cult doesn't matter but the ending of private finance does.

That is the civilization war that China and Russia are engaged in but you couldn't prove that by many of recent commenters here.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 11 2023 2:48 utc | 98

#97 nice, no pussyfooting, straight to the point.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 11 2023 3:18 utc | 99

And just to let you know that it is not just Twitter involved in social perfidy....from The Register

Cloudflare engineer broke rules – and a customer's website – with traffic throttle

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 11 2023 3:44 utc | 100

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