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February 19, 2023
The Buildup To War In Ukraine – Saturday, February 19, 2022

From the Reuters summary of Saturday, February 19, 2022:

Russia's President Vladimir Putin was set to oversee exercises by strategic nuclear missile forces on Saturday as Western leaders gathered in Munich, fearful that he could order troops massed on Ukraine's border to invade at any time.

Russian-backed separatist leaders in eastern Ukraine declared a full military mobilisation, a day after ordering women and children to evacuate to Russia, citing the threat of an imminent attack by Ukrainian forces. Kyiv flatly denied the accusation and Washington said it was part of Russia's plan to create a pretext for an invasion of Ukraine. read more

Multiple explosions could be heard on Saturday morning in the north of the separatist-controlled city of Donetsk in eastern Ukraine, a Reuters witness said.

Separatist authorities on Friday announced plans to evacuate around 700,000 people, citing fears of an imminent attack by Ukrainian forces – an accusation Kyiv flatly denied.

Less than 7,000 people had been evacuated from Donetsk as of Saturday morning, the local emergencies ministry said. Russian news agencies said later 10,000 evacuees had arrived in Russia.

Hours after the evacuation announcement, a jeep exploded outside a rebel government building in the city of Donetsk and Russian news agencies said two explosions hit Luhansk, one of the main cities in Ukraine's breakaway People's Republic of Luhansk, and part of a gas pipeline in the area caught fire.

The Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy was at the annual Munich Security Conference where he meet U.S. VP Kamala Harris, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg and others. He also held a speech which included this obvious lie:

Ukraine consistently implements the Normandy agreements and the Minsk agreements. Their foundation is the unquestionable recognition of the territorial integrity and independence of our state. We seek a diplomatic settlement of the armed conflict. Note: solely on the basis of international law.

The Minsk agreements, which the UN Security Council endorsed, require Kiev to negotiate with the Donbas government and to implement new legislation:

The [first] agreement failed to stop fighting, and was thus followed with a revised and updated agreement, Minsk II, which was signed on 12 February 2015. This agreement consisted of a package of measures, including a ceasefire, withdrawal of heavy weapons from the front line, release of prisoners of war, constitutional reform in Ukraine granting self-government to certain areas of Donbas and restoring control of the state border to the Ukrainian government.

The former German chancellor Angela Merkel and the former French president François Hollande Kiev have since confirmed that Kiev did not attempt to fulfill the agreement but used it to win time to train and arm its military.

Zelensky also said this:

I want to believe that the North Atlantic Treaty and Article 5 will be more effective than the Budapest Memorandum.

Ukraine has received security guarantees for abandoning the world's third nuclear capability. We don't have that weapon. We also have no security. We also do not have part of the territory of our state that is larger in area than Switzerland, the Netherlands or Belgium. And most importantly – we don’t have millions of our citizens. We don’t have all this.

Therefore, we have something. The right to demand a shift from a policy of appeasement to ensuring security and peace guarantees.

Since 2014, Ukraine has tried three times to convene consultations with the guarantor states of the Budapest Memorandum. Three times without success. Today Ukraine will do it for the fourth time. I, as President, will do this for the first time. But both Ukraine and I are doing this for the last time. I am initiating consultations in the framework of the Budapest Memorandum. The Minister of Foreign Affairs was commissioned to convene them. If they do not happen again or their results do not guarantee security for our country, Ukraine will have every right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all the package decisions of 1994 are in doubt.

The Budapest Memorandum gives very vague security guarantees in exchange for Ukraine giving up the nuclear weapons that the Soviet Union had stationed in that state. (Ukraine had tried to break the codes that protected the weapons but did not succeed.) Ukraine's membership in the Non-Proliferation Treaty followed from the Budapest Memorandum. When Zelenski says the "package decisions of 1994 are in doubt" he threatens to leave the Non-Proliferation Treaty and to pursue nuclear weapons.

Ukraine has several nuclear energy reactors, access to nuclear fuel, well trained nuclear experts and missile technology expertise. It might take a year or two but Ukraine could indeed build deployable nuclear weapons.

The mentioning of an eventual denunciation of the Budapest Memorandum during the Munich Security Conference was taken by Russia as a threat.

The Donetsk News Agency reported that western Donetsk was, since February 17, under heavy fire:

The shelling incidents were reported from 11.47 a.m. until 12.22 p.m., the total of 46 mortar and grenade launcher rounds hit the city. The fire originated from the direction of Krasnogorovka.

The DPR has been under attack since 5.30 a.m. today, a wide range of weapons is used.

The OSCE Special Observer Mission at the ceasefire line in southeast-Ukraine reported of Saturday, February 19 2022 and Sunday, February 20 2022 without separating both days in its verbal description. However the graphic showing the number of observed incidents attached to the report separates both days. The number of total ceasefire violations and explosions on Saturday was again increased from the previous day. Artillery exchanges took place along many parts of the front.

In Donetsk region, between the evenings of 18 and 20 February, the SMM recorded 2,158 ceasefire violations, including 1,100 explosions. In the previous reporting period, it recorded 591 ceasefire violations in the region.

In Luhansk region, between the evenings of 18 and 20 February, the Mission recorded 1,073 ceasefire violations, including 926 explosions. In the previous reporting period, it recorded 975 ceasefire violations in the region.

Both sides continued to position heavy weapons:

Withdrawal of weapons

In government-controlled areas of Donetsk region, the Mission saw four howitzers in violation of withdrawal lines. It also spotted 12 howitzers, one surface-to-air missile system and one multiple launch rocket system in non-government-controlled areas of Donetsk and Luhansk regions.

Beyond withdrawal lines but outside designated storage sites, the SMM saw 41 tanks and 14 howitzers in non-government-controlled areas of Donetsk and Luhansk regions, including in two training areas.

Indications of military and military-type presence in the security zone

The Mission saw nine armoured combat vehicles in government-controlled areas of Donetsk and Luhansk regions, as well as five armoured combat vehicles in non-government-controlled areas of Donetsk region.

On 19 February, while in Prokhorivka (government-controlled, 53km south of Donetsk), the Mission saw one light utility truck (GAZ-66) equipped with antennas, assessed as used for flying mid-range UAVs, stationary about 100m north of the road. It also observed two Ukrainian Armed forces soldiers near the truck.

The evacuation of civilians from the Donbas region continued:

Gatherings of people and convoys in Donetsk and Luhansk regions

Over the reporting period, in various locations in non-government-controlled areas of Donetsk and Luhansk regions, the Mission saw people gathering and several convoys of cars and buses (some of which bearing signs with “evacuation” written on them) driving eastwards with passengers (mostly women, children, and the elderly).

On Saturday the numbers of ceasefire violations did increase over those on Friday by some 30%. The number of recorded explosions held steady.


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The map shows ceasefire violations in yellow, orange to red colors. Most of these appear on the side of the Donbas republics. The source of most of the ceasefire violations, like noise of shooting or explosions recorded by cameras, drones or heard by the observers, is listed as 'undetermined'.

The map shows explosions, as small black dots, on both sides of the ceasefire line for Saturday and Sunday. While only few of the hundreds of explosions were located and marked on the map a count of the black dots shows some evenness with 25 impacts marked on the Donbas side and 28 on the government controlled side of the ceasefire line.


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Comments

Knight’s move – Zelensky is preparing Ukrainians for the surrender of Artemivsk, the struggle for which suddenly ceased to be a priority for Kyiv
Zelensky, in an interview with a number of Italian media at once, said that Artemovsk (Bakhmut) is not worth defending to the last soldier, as it turns out to be “not a particularly big city”, in which there is nothing special. Until recently, Zelensky, waving his saber unsheathed, promising his citizens and soldiers to do everything possible to preserve the strategically and symbolically important Artemovsk, sharply backed down.
Apparently, having assessed the real situation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Artemivsk, the president of Nazalezhnoy suddenly began to appreciate the lives of those abandoned by the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and said that Ukraine would competently approach the process and “fight as long as it is reasonable.” True, Zelensky immediately tried to rehabilitate himself in the eyes of the Western press, saying that the possible surrender of the city would actually be part of a cunning plan to prepare a counteroffensive .

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/34176

Posted by: Down South | Feb 20 2023 4:03 utc | 101

💸 Ukrainian military will cut salaries in March
According to a source close to RIAN, in January an order was signed to cancel the additional remuneration of 30,000 hryvnias, which was paid to all servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the beginning of the special operation.
In fact, for the majority of militants, this additional payment was the main part of the salary.
😄 Ukrovoyaks are not coping with their tasks and now they are increasingly at risk of being “cut off” by Russian fighters.
Zin Note: Looks like Belensky will need to visit Pelosi’s bedroom a few more times…

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/34189

Posted by: Down South | Feb 20 2023 4:05 utc | 102

❗️Disturbing news comes from Pridnestrovie: the most combat-ready units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are gathering to the borders. Moldovan politicians openly call for an attack on Tiraspol. In a military sense, an attack is possible immediately from the territory of Ukraine and Romania, where the Americans formed a special division back in the summer. Plus the Romanian army itself.
Another worrying factor is the change of government in Moldova.
The situation is further aggravated by the fact that about 200,000 Russian citizens live in Transnistria, for whom Russia is naturally responsible. And the 14th Army was disbanded back in 1995. The armed forces in Transnistria are very few in number and are “smeared” over a fairly large territory.
And in the PMR there are huge warehouses with ammunition that can trophy the advancing units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Of course, warehouses can be blown up in the event of a threat of capture. But is that why they were produced and stored?

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/34197

Posted by: Down South | Feb 20 2023 4:07 utc | 103

I counted 17 comments out of the first 100 in this thread provided by Buffalo Ken.
If this isn’t pissing on the MoA barroom floor, I don’t know what is…..sigh
And he wants a barroom brawl….such barbarism is not generally reflective of MoA barflys but patrons come and go…..wonder if he has sent respectful money to b for the forum?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 20 2023 4:10 utc | 104

Rodrigo | Feb 20 2023 3:14 utc | 99
agree. horrible things are coming or probably continuing. when the u.s. said ‘use less ammo,’ i immediately went to terrorism, attacks in russia, etc.
we have such a surveillance net here that terrorism is very hard. i don’t want russia to become like the u.s., but sometimes…

Posted by: polarbear4 | Feb 20 2023 4:24 utc | 105

Irish @92
jacques baud is a swiss intelligence guy who was working with nato and the un in ukraine during the buildup. this article from the beginning of the war is more conservative than we are here, but it’s a hell of a story, even so. links to high heavens.
https://labourheartlands.com/jacques-baud-the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine-update/
also has a new book out, operation z. haven’t read yet. thinking of going to the library and asking for it.

Posted by: polarbear4 | Feb 20 2023 4:29 utc | 106

Dr. George W Oprisko #55

So…. is the balloon about to go up???
INDY

Brilliant finale my good doctor :))
Methinks it may. But the scars from my original prognosis are still smarting.
I think there will be a tendency for the RuA to keep heading west but accompanied by a mighty north wind. Perhaps a southern gale might manifest simultaneously. I gather the orchestra has lured a great many to their final concert and I salute them for their persistence and bravery. Wagner always did lure the nazi side even in myth. Certainly the Russian army seems in no rush to suffer a bruising reversal of great damage. First the new tanks need to be dealt with at the Polish border if that is where they are incoming.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 20 2023 4:40 utc | 107

debs and bevin…
interesting back and forth.. i appreciate your realism debs, but it is not very inspiring… maybe this time is no different, but i would like to think the universe is more creative and unpredictable then you let on… i prefer to be idealistic… regardless it is going to be what it will be and as someone else said upstream – we can laugh and drink and celebrate while those in power continue to do the stupid things they will always do…
olaf22…. thanks for your posts.. i hope your loved one makes it out of the icu and all gets worked out for the better…

Posted by: james | Feb 20 2023 4:44 utc | 108

@ Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 19 2023 21:46 utc | 40
the only place they are lumped together is on the week in review thread… use that for sharing with others…
@ ed…
thanks for the couple of posts you made on this thread.. cheers james

Posted by: james | Feb 20 2023 4:46 utc | 109

Buffalo_Ken | Feb 19 2023 17:11 utc | 21
Ken, you kinda remind me of some of those who tow the party line and are liable to loose sight of the overall tactical plan and viola, we achieve total nuclear acopalypse.

Posted by: jonku | Feb 20 2023 4:47 utc | 110

As always I extend thanks, to one and all for the timely info.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 20 2023 4:56 utc | 111

Caitlin Johnson speaks:
https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2023/02/20/the-power-serving-myth-that-anti-war-protests-make-no-difference/

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 20 2023 4:59 utc | 112

Down South #105

Zin Note: Looks like Belensky will need to visit Pelosi’s bedroom a few more times…
“>https://t.me/Slavyangrad/34189

That will be a block buster on pornhub for sure. Slavyangrad is the right voyeur to broadcast it too.
Me, I think I will stick to drinking …

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 20 2023 5:06 utc | 113

Zelensky, with the help of an interview with the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera, tried to stop the developing negativity in the West about the Bakhmut meat grinder, plus he simply began to form a safety fallback with the fall of the Bakhmut Fortress. Before this, the OP had already launched an anti-crisis.
Ukrainian troops are not going to defend Artemivsk (Bakhmut) at any cost and to the last soldier, Zelensky said.
Before that, Bankovaya had already been seen placing a message in the Western press that the Armed Forces of Ukraine were preparing an offensive in Bakhmut.
Our source adds that Zelensky’s words should not be taken seriously. This may just be a public game, as the mobilized continue to be sent en masse to Bakhmut, where Bankov’s protégé General Syrsky leads the defense in order to receive a “medal” for good work and strengthen in the hardware confrontation against Zaluzhny.
Now things are bad there, but the reserves are constantly coming up, and the fields are still suitable for the transport of ammunition, but the weather may soon make its adjustments.
We have long been inside that the whole Bakhmutov meat grinder was Zelensky’s mistake in an attempt to maintain a positive trend before “meetings” with partners.

https://t.me/legitimniy/14811

Posted by: Down South | Feb 20 2023 6:13 utc | 114

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 19 2023 15:39 utc | 3
So , sovereign also implies unimpinged -upon. Ukraine had a demonstrable US-executed coup in 2014 that thus made it a non-sovereign country , even if it was ever “sovereign”too begin with.Russia rightfully and deservedly then intervened to help loyalist -Ukrainians, namely the Donbas Ukrainians . Russia ticked all the boxes according to international law. The US didn’t and is an outlaw.
Might does not make right, even if in real life it does for a period. The Ottomans ruled for some 600 years , but they were attacked, collapsed and now noone sheds a tear apart from bloodthirsty cutthroats and fools. The UK lasted even less , and now so will the US. Noone says might makes right , apart from those few who have the former. It is our role as citizens to break the hands of those with too much might…

Posted by: Brother Ma | Feb 20 2023 6:16 utc | 115

The graduate of the one year international politics course at LSE and of the unfinished thesis on natural disasters and international politics, Ms. Baerbock has stunned Russia and the world with her intellect and frankly her genius. She has just called on the President of the Russian Federation to effect a ‘360 degrees’ turn in regard to Ukraine. Poor Germany, the home of Emmy Noether, the most brilliant woman in the history of mathematics, has this ranting moron as a Foreign Minister. The world is laughing.

Posted by: Paul McGrory | Feb 20 2023 6:46 utc | 116

Posted by: Simplicius Simon | Feb 19 2023 22:19 utc
I also agree that Surovikin lied through his teeth ,and that Kherson did not have to be abandoned ,yet I question your motives and who you support. You seem a troll who has just come in to take a dump and leave ,but like a broken clock you may be right twice a day ,everyday.
Hitler and Stalin being mates …and Bandera? So what? Marriages of convenience happen all the time , and it doesn’t mean that people love each other , have each other’s interests at heart or even care about one another.
Frenemies? Germany and USA. At least the average German guy in the street against the USA

Posted by: Brother Ma | Feb 20 2023 6:48 utc | 117

No they don’t, but Ukraine does.
Therein lies the basic problem described in my #3.
sovereign: A sovereign power lies beyond the powers of others to interfere. An example of sovereignty is a king who can rule his people without any interference from other countries.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 19 2023 16:17 utc | 8
Ukraine has no diplomatic power, and they must abandon the peace agreement with Russia that has been largely reached.
This is textbook protectorate/colony and non-sovereignty.

Posted by: Colin | Feb 20 2023 6:50 utc | 118

#118 an overt color revolution?

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 20 2023 6:57 utc | 119

Is Putin becoming a danger to humanity? Not to mention that his actions are not quite right for the next generations.

Posted by: Audrey Simmons | Feb 20 2023 7:15 utc | 120

Posted by: Paul McGrory | Feb 20 2023 6:46 utc | 121
” She has just called on the President of the Russian Federation to effect a ‘360 degrees’ turn ”
HAHAHAH!! LMAO ;-D That is the funniest thing I have read since the USAF shot down a $12 balloon.

Posted by: Tim | Feb 20 2023 7:19 utc | 121

# 127 from what I have been reading Russia is going to flex the muscle!
An interesting week indeed.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 20 2023 7:53 utc | 122

The truly amazing thing.
A lot of people don’t know or understand how moronic her comment is.
One innumerate soundbite idiot doubling down after another.
Borrell being another case in point.
“She has just called on the President of the Russian Federation to effect a ‘360 degrees’ turn in regard to Ukraine. Poor Germany, the home of Emmy Noether, the most brilliant woman in the history of mathematics, has this ranting moron as a Foreign Minister. The world is laughing.”
Posted by: Paul McGrory | Feb 20 2023 6:46 utc | 121

Posted by: jpc | Feb 20 2023 8:35 utc | 123

@125
I would rather say that people like President Putin and the Russian culture he stands for are our only hope for a future. I wouldn’t like to shipwreck on an island with the likes of Macron, De Croo etc…Nowadays, both sound ethics and intelligence are exclusively Russian. For the 21st century, Western Europe has nothing to show that is worth keeping, nothing at all.

Posted by: Anthony | Feb 20 2023 8:45 utc | 124

Rumours circulating that Biden just landed in Kiev.
Motorcade spotted and US Air Force planes in the air at Ukrainian borders.
BNO News and The Sirius Report
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1627590070168322048

Posted by: Irish | Feb 20 2023 8:56 utc | 125

# 130
Perverted by war.
Perverted by primitive thinking.
Perverted by mania.
Perverted by delusion.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 20 2023 8:58 utc | 126

#131. It’s his body double.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 20 2023 9:04 utc | 127

131. It’s his body double.
Posted by: Dingo | Feb 20 2023 9:04 utc | 134
Let’s hope that he doesn’t trip!

Posted by: jpc | Feb 20 2023 9:23 utc | 128

#. 136 let’s hope he doesn’t speak.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 20 2023 9:31 utc | 129

137
#. 136 let’s hope he doesn’t speak.
Posted by: Dingo | Feb 20 2023 9:31 utc | 138
Well there’s going to be inane soundbites!

Posted by: jpc | Feb 20 2023 9:39 utc | 130

This is what poo poodle Manny shitting his pants looks like ,in French too!
https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1626710176299450369?s=20
It is obviously aimed at the francophone African countries with his wormtongued reversal ‘Sud-Nord’ and acceptance of the hypocrisy accusation of the ‘developing’ world.
Nah you ain’t going to change the minds of Mali your countdown has started pack up and go and don’t try and start a fire as you go! Or France will burn at home.
To keep us Rich and them Poor whilst proclaiming that we must sound like we have changed our spots!
They really think the majority of the world is still in awe of our Anglo European ‘White Massa’ and all things American Dream bullshit. – as the latest reports from the US shows that after centuries their AfroAmericans are still treated as no better than dumb beasts – just look at the dearth of numeracy coming out of Illinois. They are not cared for , housed or educated just kept in ghettoes and poisoned daily.
The Bankers moll macaroon, speaks perfect English like that bastard Borrell and the unelected Nazis of the EU in Munich as their multigenerational effort to take Russia turns to ashes ,again, for this century and probably forever. Their gnashing wailing and hair tearing as they demand that we citizens mobilise and throw ourselves against the Russians in a futile defeat MUST be resisted.
Twitter
In fact that whole platform and hall must stink like a room full of vagrants,bums and soiled nappied babies!! 👃 😜

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 20 2023 9:59 utc | 131

# 140 you know that song by stealers wheel?

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 20 2023 10:00 utc | 132

@134
You could be totally right! A body double maybe.
He’s looking pretty steady on his feet and going at a quick clip…unlike himself.
https://twitter.com/IntelAndRecon/status/162760712679627981
(posted 10 minutes ago, but no time stamp of the video that it is today)

Posted by: Irish | Feb 20 2023 10:03 utc | 133

yup.
Biden announces another massive dump of a lot of money – $500 million – to Ukraine during surprise visit to Kyiv. -CNN
I guess Ohio is just too hard to get too,
and Ukraine is much closer anyway,
and on the way to where he was going…so.

Posted by: Irish | Feb 20 2023 10:16 utc | 134

# 141 during his speech, they cut to the audience. Most were yawning or picking their nose.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 20 2023 10:22 utc | 135

Gosh..Biden in Kiev clearly looks as if he is completely surviving on his meds today….a useless symbolic attempt at public relations.
More aid 500m….more sanctions . becoming a sad ludicrous joke.

Posted by: Jo | Feb 20 2023 10:24 utc | 136

Apparently MiGs were launched from Belarus? in response to US Air Force planes.
and air raid sirens blared through Kiev while Biden’s motorcade made its way into town.

Posted by: Irish | Feb 20 2023 10:24 utc | 137

biggest dumbfuck stunt EVER.

Posted by: Irish | Feb 20 2023 10:26 utc | 138

Don Bacon replying:
“North Korea and Iran are states whose sovereignty the US is constantly impinging upon, making it difficult for them to protect their sovereignty. They remain however sovereign.
No they don’t, but Ukraine does.
Following your reasoning, a State which follows the rules imposed by the imperialist yankees is sovereign while a State which does not submit is not sovereign.
Yeah, right, the yankees are very happy with your reasoning. That is why you quoted the yankee-ashkenazi Blinken.
You were joking, right?!

Posted by: Pseudo | Feb 20 2023 10:42 utc | 139

@ 133
Not pessimism, rather realism and morning hours in Europe.
If Western Europe has delivered one great philosopher or artist this century, can you please give me the name? Isn’t it amazing that in the 15th, 16th, 17th…20th centuries we did have enormous creativity, wonderful art, philosophy that broke boundaries even if there was a restraining religion? Does anyone know of a modern equivalent of a Lorenzo Lotto, a Rabelais, a Baudelaire, a Wittgenstein? OK, we still have some good musicians and composers, but that’s it really. Most of culture and intellectual life is quite dead in Western Europe right now, let’s face it.

Posted by: Anthony | Feb 20 2023 10:50 utc | 140

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 20 2023 9:59 utc | 141
I love your comments!

Posted by: Pseudo | Feb 20 2023 10:53 utc | 141

“The timing could be opportune if you consider five Russian regions are voting (online until February 28) to secede from the Federation.”
Desperate attempt by the 5th column, the cia and the mi6 reported by the anti-Russian “light sleeper”.

Posted by: Pseudo | Feb 20 2023 11:07 utc | 142

jacques baud – also has a new book out, operation z. haven’t read yet. thinking of going to the library and asking for it.
Posted by: polarbear4 | Feb 20 2023 4:29 utc | 109 ONLY AVAILABLE IN FRENCH I BELIEVE – having tried to get one. At least my wife Ann can read it.

Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Feb 20 2023 11:15 utc | 143

103…106
re Transnistria
sounds like the Russian culture civilians are going to be at minimum disposessed of their status ..any excuse to neutralise them for “supporting” Russia…either held hostage like internment camps or forcefully ejected if not “voluntarily” transported out

Posted by: Jo | Feb 20 2023 11:17 utc | 144

Russian minorities in Soviet republics once enjoyed a privileged status, with access to the best jobs, housing, education and possibilities for promoting their careers.
That all ended with the USSR and these citizens were left to be treated as minorities, often undesirables and relegated to second-class or non-citizenship.
They have become the modern equivalent of the Sudetenland Germans, waiting to be summoned heim ins Reich .

Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | Feb 20 2023 11:21 utc | 145

They have become the modern equivalent of the Sudetenland Germans, waiting to be summoned heim ins Reich .
Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | Feb 20 2023 11:21 utc | 155
Except that the Sudetenland was NEVER part of the German Reich………ever. It had been regional components of Czech lands since 9th Century……..there was no “Sudetenland” – there was Moravia and there was Bohemia – BOTH components of Czech Bohemia.
The Germans pursued Pan-Germanism as if language zones defined “borders” – by that token large parts of USA are “Mexico”
Do not try to conflate “Little Russia” with Nazi claims to Bohemia and Moravia – it is a completely different issues historically and culturally

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 20 2023 11:38 utc | 146

Zelensky official twitter

Historic. Timely. Brave. I welcomed @POTUS in Kyiv as Russian full-scale aggression approaches its one-year mark. I am thankful to the U.S. for standing with Ukraine and for our strong partnership. We are determined to work together to ensure Ukraine’s victory.

https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1627631915263004672

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 20 2023 11:54 utc | 147

What a difference a decade makes:
Putin in Kiev in 2013
Text: After the prayer, Yanukovych and Putin talked in the Administration. Yanukovych guaranteed Putin a hospitable welcome tomorrow in Sevastopol, where they will celebrate the day of the naval forces together. Putin suggested discussing security issues in this context. Issue TSN.19:30 on July 27, 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQYWd9CUuUo

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 20 2023 12:20 utc | 148

Noam A. Larkey@155
Have you nothing better to do, for your employers, than to celebrate the ill treatment of Russians in various republics formerly in the Soviet Union?
You are apologising for the discrimination notorious in Latvia, Estonia and Ukraine, inter alia, by claiming that the Soviet union persecuted non-Russians. But this is not true. It never was true. What the Soviet Union did do, much to the disgust of fascist emigres in western europe and north america was to isolate and prosecute collaborators with Nazism, as traitors and wear criminals.
It is for that that Russian speaking Latvians are banned from voting and War Memorials are torn down to make space for monuments to the Waffen SS.

Posted by: bevin | Feb 20 2023 14:22 utc | 149

The visit of Biden is in the western media now compared to that of J.F. Kennedy’s to Berlin. Well if that doesn’t show how deep we have fallen, what will? Kennedy must have been the last US president to make an intelligent speech and demented Biden is the nadir for the moment – but I remember a S. Cutts cartoon about presidents…
https://stevecutts.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/future-predictions.jpg

Posted by: Anthony | Feb 20 2023 15:40 utc | 150

Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | Feb 20 2023 11:21 utc | 155
«Russian minorities in Soviet republics once enjoyed a privileged status, with access to the best jobs, housing, education and possibilities for promoting their careers. That all ended with the USSR»
That seems to me a baseless fantasy, because the USSR had a strong policy of promoting and subsidising the minority nationalities (including the “ukrainian” one) out of “internationalism” and of buying their acceptance.
One of the reasons why the Russian Federation eagerly sought the dissolution of the USSR is that the russian public were tired of the massive subsidies the USSR government was transferring from the richer russian regions to the poorer peripheral regions, which with very few exceptions (all related to oil) are doing much worse than the Russian Federation has been doing, relative to 1991 (with gangster-run states like Ukraine and Moldova doing particularly badly, but also the appalling neo-feudal operetta “kingdoms” in the stans).

Posted by: Blissex | Feb 20 2023 19:52 utc | 151

Posted by: Light Sleeper | Feb 20 2023 19:11 utc | 161
«though Washington told Moscow of President Biden’s unannounced visit to Kyiv—so Russia wouldn’t be bombing the city while he was there—it’s also about gamesmanship.»
it is to demonstrate that Putin does not dare to fly outside his home area, as his plane would be intercepted like that of the Bolivian president was, and he would put before a “crimes against humanity” tribunal in the Ukraine, Biden can fly unchallenged and safely to the front line of the USA funded and directed attack on the Donbas and the Russian Federation.
It is a demonstration like the NATO attack and invasion of Yugoslavia and more recently Syria, which happened to prove that being a russian ally means not just that the RF cannot defend them, but the USA can wreck them with no consequences.

Posted by: Blissex | Feb 20 2023 19:57 utc | 152

@paul greenwood
You may or may not dive a little deeper. Both bohemia and maeria were habsburg (aka austrian) kingdoms for centuries. I dont want to impose anything on czech history but praha was so much a “german” city that the first german speaking university in the world was established exactly there.
The sudetenlands were very german after all, it just didnt matter that much under habsburg rule.

Posted by: Orgel | Feb 20 2023 20:38 utc | 153

Posted by: bevin | Feb 20 2023 14:22 utc | 159
«Russian speaking Latvians are banned from voting and War Memorials are torn down to make space for monuments to the Waffen SS.»
That’s largely because in some ex-COMECON states there has been a big return of the descendants of the local supporters of the SS, who had emigrated after their defeat in WW2, and went back to those states flush with the money and support of the USA government, and used them to get elected to government. In places like Ukraine and baltic operetta republics several ministers have been 2nd-3rd generation USA or UK citizens, even if they had local-sounding names.
The USA have sponsored in many eastern European countries a kind of “restoration of the Bourbons”, except than instead of restoring exiled absolutist monarchs from before the first republic and the napoleonic empire, they restored the descendants of the exiled fascist (or worse) elites of before WW2.

Posted by: Blissex | Feb 20 2023 21:17 utc | 154

Richard Nixon was a very intelligent man. He wrote intelligent books. Although I can’t say I have a vivid recollection of his presidential speeches, I would be surprised if some of them were not quite intelligent.
I have a more vivid recollection of Carter’s and Reagan’s speeches, and some of them were also quite intelligent.

Posted by: Lysias | Feb 21 2023 1:18 utc | 155

Lysias @168–
They all employed excellent writers. Usually the drafts aren’t made public until they’re included in a presidential library. That’s why us historians haunt archives to read all sorts of papers that are often annotated, additions that are often very revealing and only a few are aware of.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 21 2023 2:16 utc | 156

Is this a challenge of some sort, and honestly why would you feel the need to do that at a bar metaphorical?

Posted by: animaastrologer | Mar 21 2023 11:57 utc | 157