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February 18, 2023
The Buildup To War In Ukraine – Friday, February 18, 2022

On February 18 2022, a Friday, Russia voiced alarm over the sharp increase in shelling in Donbas:

MOSCOW (Reuters) -Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov voiced alarm on Friday over a sharp increase in shelling in eastern Ukraine and accused the OSCE special monitoring mission of glossing over what he said were Ukrainian violations of the peace process.

Ukrainian government forces and pro-Russian separatists have been fighting in the Donbass region of eastern Ukraine since 2014 in a conflict that Kyiv says has claimed some 15,000 lives.

Washington and its allies have raised fears that the upsurge in violence in the Donbass could form part of a Russian pretext to invade Ukraine. Tensions are already high over a Russian military buildup to the north, east and south of Ukraine.

Moscow denies planning an invasion.

"We are very concerned by the reports of recent days – yesterday and the day before there was a sharp increase in shelling using weapons that are prohibited under the Minsk agreements," Lavrov said, referring to peace accords aimed at ending the conflict.

Militia of the Donbas republics started to evacuate civilians:

Russian-backed separatists packed civilians onto buses out of breakaway regions in east Ukraine on Friday, a shock turn in a conflict the West believes Moscow plans to use as justification for all-out invasion of its neighbour.

Warning sirens blared in Donetsk after it and the other self-proclaimed "People's Republic" of Luhansk announced the evacuation of hundreds of thousands of people to Russia, with women, children and the elderly going first.

Hours later, a jeep exploded outside the rebel government building in the city of Donetsk, capital of the region of the same name. Reuters journalists saw the vehicle surrounded by shrapnel, a wheel tossed away by the blast. Russian media said it belonged to a militia leader.

The Ukrainian government said it was not planning any offensive or targeting civilians in any way.

There were lots of meetings and calls among 'western' leaders and Lavrov and Blinken agreed to meet:

Antony Blinken is to meet the Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, next week, as the US secretary of state warned the crisis in Ukraine was a “moment of peril for the lives and safety of millions of people”.

The US state department said on Thursday night that Blinken had accepted an invitation to meet Lavrov provided there was no invasion of Ukraine. The move provides hope that diplomatic channels remained open even as US warnings of an imminent invasion grow louder.

“If they do invade in the coming days, it will make clear they were never serious about diplomacy,” said state department spokesperson Ned Price. Blinken said earlier on Thursday he had sent a letter to Lavrov proposing a meeting in Europe.

A fresh flurry of meetings between western leaders begins on Friday, with the US president, Joe Biden, hosting a call with the leaders of Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Poland, Romania, Britain, the European Union and Nato.

The US vice-president, Kamala Harris, is also due to arrive in Munich for several days of talks with global leaders including the German chancellor, Olaf Scholz, the UK foreign secretary, Liz Truss, and Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy.

The Russian president Vladimir Putin held a meeting with Russia's Security Council

The discussion focused on the situation around Ukraine and on growing tensions that are being provoked by external forces. The President briefed the meeting participants, in great detail, about his international contacts this week, including face-to-face meetings and telephone conversations. They also exchanged opinions on security guarantees for Russia.

Putin also had a meeting with the president of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko. In a following news conference both bemoaned the seemingly unreasonable behavior of their international counterparts.

Putin:

Responding to a request from President Lukashenko, I talked about my recent meetings with foreign leaders on the provision by the US and NATO of long-term and legally binding security guarantees for Russia. We believe it is both logical and understandable that this issue also concerns our Belarussian allies.

We discussed the situation with Russia’s requests for the West, the most important of which concern NATO’s non-expansion, the non-deployment of strike weapons systems in close proximity to the Russian border, and the return of the bloc’s military potential and infrastructure in Europe to the state of 1997 when the Russia-NATO Founding Act was signed.

As I said earlier, unfortunately, the United States and other members of the alliance do not appear ready to sincerely consider these three pivotal elements of our initiative. At the same time, they have advanced a number of ideas of their own concerning European security, specifically, intermediate-range and shorter-range missiles, and military transparency, which Russia is open to discussing. We are ready to continue the negotiation track provided that all items are considered in their entirety, in conjunction with Russia’s main proposals, which are an unconditional priority for us.

President Lukashenko and I touched on the intra-Ukrainian conflict as well. The settlement process remains stalled; despite all our efforts, neither the contacts at the level of advisers to the leaders of the Normandy Format countries nor the consultations with our partners are helping.

Kiev is not complying with the Minsk Agreements and, in particular, is strongly opposed to a direct dialogue with Donetsk and Lugansk. Kiev is essentially sabotaging the agreements on amending the Constitution, on the special status of Donbass, on local elections and on amnesty – on all the key items in the Minsk Agreements. Besides, basically, human rights are massively and systematically violated in Ukraine, and discrimination against the Russian-speaking population is being fixed at the legislative level.

The President of Belarus and I agreed that the Minsk Agreements are the key to restoring civil peace in Ukraine and relieving tension around that country. All Kiev needs to do is sit down at the negotiating table with representatives of Donbass and agree on political, military, economic and humanitarian measures to end the conflict. The sooner this happens, the better. Unfortunately, right now, we are witnessing the opposite – the situation in Donbass is worsening.

Lukashenko:

Considering the urgency of the situation, the President and I have devoted much attention today to this issue and discussed potential joint actions as a response to the aggressive behaviour of our Western partners. I would like to emphasise once again: nobody wants a war, or even an aggravation of the situation or any conflict. We, Russians and Belarusians, do not need this.

As people well versed in this issue, you probably understand that this no longer depends even on our neighbours, including Ukraine. You also see clearly who the escalation of tensions near our borders depends on. For the first time in decades, we have found ourselves on the threshold of a conflict that could, unfortunately, pull much of the entire continent into a maelstrom.

We are seeing the irresponsibility and, excuse me for being blunt, stupidity of some Western politicians at its best. There is no logic or reasonable explanation for the conduct of the leaders of neighbouring countries, their truly morbid desire to walk the edge.

The President of Russia has very mildly described the aggravation of the situation in Donbass. Unfortunately, it is true. People there are ready to flee the area and are probably already fleeing, as we know. This is not normal. I have the impression that some politicians who hold high and responsible positions in the so-called free world are simply pathologically dangerous to both their associates and, most importantly, to their own people.

History was about to repeat itself.

Via @PaulEckstein – Notice the laughing Turk China sitting it out.

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The OSCE Special Observer Mission at the ceasefire line in southeast-Ukraine reported of February 18 2022 that the number of ceasefire violations had again increased significantly. Artillery exchanges took place along many parts of the front.

In Donetsk region, the SMM recorded 591 ceasefire violations, including 553 explosions. In the previous reporting period, it recorded 222 ceasefire violations in the region.

In Luhansk region, the Mission recorded 975 ceasefire violations, including 860 explosions. In the previous reporting period, it recorded 648 ceasefire violations in the region.

Since Wednesday, February 16 2022, the number of ceasefire violations and explosions has increased every day.


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The map shows explosions, the small black dots, on both sides of the ceasefire line. While only few of the hundreds of explosions were located and marked on the map a count of the black dots shows 56 impacts on the Donbas side and 22 on the government controlled side of the ceasefire line. The artillery exchanges seem to have become more uneven than before.


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Comments

The 8-year long building of UAF defense lines like trenches, bunkers, mine-caves, etc. since 2015 cannot ‘be taken’ within one year – even not with bunker-bombs like US did in Afghan mountains
Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 18 2023 23:01 utc | 50
Yes, the correct question isn’t “why an army of 5 can’t move against 100” but why they accepted the coup, with burned people, followed by 8 years of attacks, building of fortifications, nato bases, biolabs and so on. Bad strategy in 2014, worse in 2022.

Posted by: rk | Feb 19 2023 7:55 utc | 101

Posted by: rk | Feb 19 2023 7:55 utc | 106
I am sick and tired of this stupid same, same whine.
The sad reality is that in 2014/5 Russia did not have the military force or structures in place to even bloody well attempt a full on battle.
Get over thinking that Russia is the old USSR which enormous military power. Sure it had solid artillery and land bases equipment but not enough men or planes and its navy was a sad shadow of its former glory. Moreover it had two/three very dubious and possibly duplicitous neighbours – Turkey, kazakhstan and Belarus. Bloody dangerous and very, very stupid to be starting a war at that time.
So Russia did what it could. It seized Crimea because if it did not within 5 years the war would be inside its borders. It was a gamble that they HAD to win. It then bloodied the US nose in Syria, hoping I think that it would be enough to scare them off. It wasn’t. They also went hell for leather developing new fancy weapons, announced in 2018.
But do you really think that weapons announced in 2018 would have been in place instantly ie Putin waving a magic wand. Get out of comic books and get real.
Personally, although I have no evidence, I think that Russia would have liked another 3-5 years to get ready for this war, ie to ensure lots of kinzals in the armory and zircons etc. However the imminent attack from Ukraine, the threat of nuclear arms in Ukraine and quite probably the threat of biological weapons forced their hand.
Russia did not have the power to take on the Donbass or at least not with out very great risk.
It still does not have that power because of the very, very real risk of full on NATO attack. It cannot and must not expend all its weapons.
Do you comprehend this or are you just a troll.

Posted by: watcher | Feb 19 2023 8:12 utc | 102

Belarus _must_ be taken after Lukashenko. That is vital. No more color revolutions. For now it can be Lukashenko’s personal fiefdom, but after him it must return.

Posted by: Catilina | Feb 19 2023 8:21 utc | 103

# 101. Let’s.be frank. The ongoing war is a sideshow. The magnitude of life lost is an afterthought. The apex of this proxy war is for west to continue financial superiority. Nothing besides. The west will fight hard very hard to make sure international settlements are done in dollars. Situations will be stretched out with Russia, china, and any other country, to prevent this from becoming a reality.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 19 2023 8:25 utc | 104

Posted by: Light Sleeper | Feb 19 2023 7:20 utc | 101
Putin quoted above

We discussed the situation with Russia’s requests for the West, the most important of which concern NATO’s non-expansion, the non-deployment of strike weapons systems in close proximity to the Russian border, and the return of the bloc’s military potential and infrastructure in Europe to the state of 1997 when the Russia-NATO Founding Act was signed.
As I said earlier, unfortunately, the United States and other members of the alliance do not appear ready to sincerely consider these three pivotal elements of our initiative.

The Russians warned that if the required written security guarantees were not achieved through negotiation and diplomacy they would then they be ensuref through military-technical means. The West thought Russia was bluffing and dismissed the Russian security concerns as unfounded.
Turns out the Russians weren’t bluffing.

Posted by: Down South | Feb 19 2023 9:10 utc | 105

@ Posted by: Dingo | Feb 19 2023 8:25 utc | 109

Agreed. The War is an unpleasant job the West must do to make ends meet. They may prefer otherwise but cannot retire or even change jobs without great discomfort.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 19 2023 9:36 utc | 106

Down South | Feb 19 2023 9:10 utc | 110
That “bloc’s military potential and infrastructure in Europe to the state of 1997” was just an offer they knew can’t be accepted by nato and nothing more. Was even forgotten soon after, when they said there’s no problem if Finland joins nato. Don’t remember if Sweden was mentioned, I don’t think it was, but who cares.

Posted by: rk | Feb 19 2023 10:17 utc | 107

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 19 2023 7:29 utc | 102
With such a fine display of German geometry understanding one can understand why J D Power rates German cars so poorly for reliability and quality………..
With KIA and Lexus at the top of the chart it must be the quality of Asian education that is showing through

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 19 2023 10:27 utc | 108

Posted by: rk | Feb 19 2023 10:17 utc | 112
You really should not fall into the 1997 trap………Defence Cuts in UK began in 1980 under Margaret Thatcher – it was those defence cuts that led Argentina to invade the Falklands ……..the Task Force set sail from UK with Service personnel who had previously been declared redundant in the first round of Tory defence cuts.
The Nomenklatura in the Defence Sector set out to please contractors with grandiose projects for FRES and other wonders and stripped the operating budgets for prestige toys and conference boondoggles. Look at NATO officers – especially German – staff jobs at NATO or affiliation to some US staff……..it is all about Credentialism.
How did Finland or Poland or Turkey or Netherlands or Canada or Portugal get Leopard tanks ? Germany sold them for a pittance and they were giving away NVA stocks from GDR.
British Challenger is what was left after the Shah fell and his order for military toys could not be delivered – UK created them from that loss of a military collector.
None of these countries could afford a real military but they made toys to sell OPEC that had nothing else it could import to absorb the huge trade surpluses and they thought they were buying Western Defence Pacts……..now they know.
Why did Blair build two aircraft carriers ? It cost the rest of the surface fleet – frigates – to pay for them…….but it made him feel good with GWB. Why the F-35 ? Well US said they might let Rolls-Royce make engines……….but soon dropped that idea once UK had inked the deal.
You know how Americans buy luxury cars and never change the gearbox oil or do proper maintenance ? That is NATO – make it look parade-ground pretty but never look for any moving parts because they are seized up

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 19 2023 10:37 utc | 109

Thanks, I didn’t know so many details. the Shah part is wonderful.

Posted by: rk | Feb 19 2023 10:52 utc | 110

guess we know who will soon be thrown into the great patriotic meat grinder.
The European Union is the army of Ukraine, since this conflict is an existential threat to European security
This was stated by the head of the EU foreign service, Josep Borrell, speaking at a security conference in Munich. He called for less applause for Zelensky and more shells for him.

Posted by: hankster | Feb 19 2023 11:28 utc | 111

As the bar seems to be in a retrospective mood may I take the assembled multitudes back a bit further in time, to 2014 specifically, and the first appearance of Larchmonter445’s magnum opus “China-Russia Double Helix” here:
https://thesaker.is/vineyard-of-the-saker-white-paper-the-china-russia-double-helix/
At 27 pages it is far too long to quote extensively, but here are a few choice excerpts that have stood the test of time –
The very first paragraph:

Vladimir Putin said it clearly: “Russia and China will have a significant effect on the
entire system of international relations. The relationship will be a significant factor in
world politics and will affect the contemporary architecture of international relations . . .”
And to state precisely what this relationship means in geopolitical sea change, President
Putin continued: “Russia and China have never had such trusting relations in the military
field as they do now. Military exercises have been in joint war games at sea and ground
both in Russia and China.”

~~~
From page 4:

China understood Ukraine was Russian, at
least the east and south were Russian. They had the contracts with Ukraine in
Russian and Chinese. These contracts and diplomatic partnerships were part and
parcel the Chinese connecting the dream of President Xi’s Eurasian Silk Road
with the Putin Eurasian Union dream. Ukraine was crucial because both dreams
had merged into one gigantic Eurasia Development concept to be powered with
Russian energy sources and Chinese wealth.
Ukraine was to function as the turntable to Europe, north, west, east and south.
Ukraine benefitted from the gas pipeline to Europe. It could have become a very
rich transit point. Instead, Kiev chose suicide and began to kill its own citizens,
going into virtual bankruptcy, losing its sovereignty, and festering into freakish
and zombified ghoulery. Ukraine embraced fascism and Nazism, as it waged a
war of attrition upon its entire nation. So far, Ukraine is losing the war against
Ukraine, predictably, logically and tragically. However, it did stop China’s
investments, forestalled the Ukrainian development projects, and does not permit
itself to trade with anyone the Hegemon does not approve.

~~~
From page 10:

It is evident from the nature and size of interactions between China and Russia,
China has determined to construct a floor for the Russian economy. Just as the
Federal Reserve secretly saved the EU banking systems by QE and passage of
funds to select banks in the EU, China is doing similarly with Russia during the
sanctions regime. Instead of creating debt, it is swapping currencies and keeping
corporations liquid, taking equity positions in state-owned enterprises, making
loans and advances on deals both within Russia and between Russia and China.

~~~
From page 12:

Barely known to most people, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization will
become the key Eurasian organization through which the diverse national interests
of India, Pakistan, China, Russia, Iran, and Vietnam are served in a cooperative
environment. United in their economic development through the reality of Eurasia
Economic Belt, all their security issues versus terrorism, separatism and criminal
drug and human trafficking are handled within SCO. Though it is not a military
alliance, it uses joint military and policing activities in an interesting array.
Ultimately, SCO is a defensive layer against destabilization proxies (think ISIS,
Taliban, AQ, East Turkistan Islamic Movement, PKK, PUK Kurds) that may be
mounted against any one or more member states.

~~~
Skipping to the closing paragraphs:

Russians and Chinese citizens will look within their own civilizations for
solutions to the challenges and threats cast at them by the Hegemon. The
motivations exist to create wise solutions that are not martial, nor dominant, nor
exploitative nor unjust. Relying on experts and NGOs of the West will be
understood as opening the doors to the enemy and housing the terrorists and
saboteurs sent by the Hegemon.
The resistance to hegemony is an historic lesson to the civilizations of Russia and
China. The allure of the West is stripped off once-empowering words, models and
ideals like ‘democracy’, ‘freedom’, ‘friendship’, ‘allies’, ‘partners’, ‘success’, and
‘security’. The patina of ‘exceptional’ and ‘greatness’ has worn away.
The peoples of Russia and China are heirs to great civilizations. They have
cultures and institutions that are grounded in sage principles and centuries of
profound accomplishments in art, science, technology and human endeavors.
They need not emulate any other nation or culture or educational system.
Sovereignty, like individuality, is the unique identity that must be cherished.
Then, international cooperation and partnership is grounded on strengths of those
choosing to join with others out of free choice not coercion.

~~~
There is much more in this important piece which, IMHO, needs renewed visibility, hence my post.
I can remember reading it in ‘real time’, as it were, back in 2014. After finishing it I sat back, took a deep breath and thought “Wow! The West has absolutely no idea how screwed it really is.”

Posted by: West of England Andy | Feb 19 2023 11:29 utc | 112

Exploration on how Russia can deal with NATO/ Five Eyes vast space-recon capabilities during the coming offensives.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/all-seeing-eye-can-russia-break-through

Posted by: Alex Vadim | Feb 19 2023 11:41 utc | 113

@ Down South 93
The US is nor bluffing when it states that it wants to control the whole world. It doesn’t mind if it destroys the whole world country by country in order to achieve hegemony, but it is utterly sincere in its ambition.
There are also the Neo- Nazi joyriders in the US administration who are lying when they offer the US control over Ukraine. They know full well that Europeans still don’t want Ukranian corruption inside the EU and they have their own devious plans for Ukraine.
Water wars are the future, and Ukraine has water and land. All they need is to make it extremely toxic with biolabs, nuclear storage, government corruption , extremist terrorism. Then they can turn round to the US and offer to take it off their hands.
The three megalomanias US UK and IS have started all the wars in our lifetimes, and yet we care told to believe this particular war is about Nazism. It’s not. It’s about water and land for the Middle Eastern zionist empire, same as all the other wars over the last 50 years of our lifetimes.

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 19 2023 11:43 utc | 114

“It is reported that by April the Armed Forces of Ukraine will receive less than a quarter of the promised tanks (50 out of 320)”
Guess Steiner’s Spring Counterattack® is postponed indefinitely.

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 19 2023 11:45 utc | 115

“Wow! The West has absolutely no idea how screwed it really is.”
Posted by: West of England Andy | Feb 19 2023 11:29 utc | 117

In defiance of United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758 the Atlanticist West maintains a policy of strategic ambivalence in pursuit of an independent Taiwan.
Their thinking is stuck in 1958, but without the supporting factories.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 19 2023 11:48 utc | 116

@ Irish | Feb 19 2023 6:53 utc | 100

feels like the heady days of alliances before WW1
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Already thought similarly, possibly even in our days (meanwhile the cat beeing (or having been already) put among the pidgeons anywhere by interested people) meaning that some day somebody somewhere turns on the light in his cellar and wonders why it is flaming up in the attic instead…
Then, possibly, for the first and the last time as well one has the clinking chance to view in the faces of our blessed master-politicians as really honest people, each looking as dumb as a rock then, WWIII having started.

Posted by: Yogi | Feb 19 2023 11:57 utc | 117

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Feb 19 2023 4:23 utc
John Lennon voiced a similar idea about our ‘esteemed’ ruling class and their lumpen-proletarian lackeys.
“There’s room at the top they are telling you still
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
If you want to be like the folks on the hill…”
Posted by: Dingo | Feb 19 2023 5:46 utc
“Lying is plebeian, if you are straight with yourself it’s repulsive.”
Strangely I was thinking about ‘lying’ the other evening and came to a conclusion that ‘We lie when we have a reason to lie’. Without a ‘reason’, the desire or need to lie is redundant and/or non-existent. I know that I’m more than capable of lying but my default position – especially in face-to-face communications – is honesty. Do you consider all plebeians repulsive?

Posted by: Lantern Dude | Feb 19 2023 12:03 utc | 118

@ 110 Down South
I am sorry to slightly disagree with you about ‘ the West thought Russia was bluffing ‘.
The West wanted war because war removes people who tend to get in the way of colonisation. Zelensky and Johnson , the actors in this war on behalf of IS and UK have delivered on de-population. All the US has had to do is keep on working the MSM which it controls to blame Putin. Every fully owned rentagob of European politics know their job lasts only as long as they parrot ‘ Putin’s illegal war of aggression ‘ over and over again. As irritating as a pirate parrot, or dog whistle, or a CEO speech.
Blackrock will sell Ukraine in toto to the Rithschild financiers who trashed the world in 2007, and paid Daesh to terrorise Iraq until Zawahiri’s deal for stealing oil from Iraq was done.
And before the anti-Semite brigade start whining , cui bono the destruction of the deserts of Syria Jordan and Lebanon? How is the Zionist empire going to build its insanity in desert land without importing water locked into grain from cooler climes?

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 19 2023 12:07 utc | 119

Here’s a new (to me) armchair general whose articles I’m going through and who’s infinitely better than gasbags like Martyanov and the Faker.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/
He talks about Russian limitations and strategic disadvantages as well as advantages, and goes into considerable depth about the possibilities and routes of upcoming offensives.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 19 2023 12:13 utc | 120

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 19 2023 12:13 utc | 125
They seem good articles. Here’s the newest one. AFAIK he compiles them mostly of open available sources, but follows with pretty decent and logical thoughts and deductions.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-update-218-major-war-confirmed

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 19 2023 12:44 utc | 121

@ Giyane multiple
Any plans the US had I for Ukraine is moot at this point. Medvedev in a post yesterday said Zelensky does not have to negotiate with Russia. He must just sign what he is told to sign I.e. unconditional surrender.Ukraine as single functional entity is no more. Whatever the post Ukraine set up will be, the Russians will make sure the US and its lackeys will be nowhere.
All the sale agreements signed between Zelensky and various multinationals are not worth the paper they are written on. You can’t sell land you don’t control. The insanity in Kiev has reached the point where 15-17 year old boys are not allowed to leave the country anymore. A regime that is willing to throw children into the meat grinder to delay its end is not a regime that the Russians can allow to leave in place in any way shape or form.

Posted by: Down South | Feb 19 2023 12:49 utc | 122

@ Melaleuca 102
Whoa, you are right. He is a dead-ringer. I have never noticed that before.
History has a subtle way of righting the wrongs and flattening the wrinkles.
Russia is currently undoing all modern history post 1917 and bringing us back to where we should be before the Talmudists went into overdrive.
It dovetails into my suspicion, also, that the exit of the world from the brink of annihilation will coincide with Putin’s retirement and Medvedev’s taking of the reigns. The last gift from Putin will be offering his enemies a face-saving option (“We won! Putin is gone!”) which will simultaneously be the grandest act of statesmanship since the aforementioned time period. If Putin is not Hegel’s world historical figure, then I just don’t know.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 19 2023 12:55 utc | 123

Posted by: Down South | Feb 19 2023 9:10 utc | 110
«they be ensuref through military-technical means. The West thought Russia was bluffing and dismissed the Russian security concerns as unfounded. Turns out the Russians weren’t bluffing.»
That claim is based on the common thinking that the USA were not trying to start a proxy war with the RF. But I guess that on 24 February 2022 there were a lot of parties celebrating success in Washington (and in London and Warsaw etc.).
And on 24 February 2023 there will be in the same places another set of success parties: who could have thought that one year later RF cities are being bombed regularly, and USA corporates are celebrating record profits?

Posted by: Blissex | Feb 19 2023 12:56 utc | 124

2 Watcher 107
I for one agree completely. Russia was forced into intervention, even if it was untimely and unwanted.
Trolls or quasi-trolls like rk…let them volunteer, if not to die in a cold trench, then to help salvage the bodies. Oh, you must know that putting bodies when in rigor mortis or those frozen stiff in a body bag or a coffin can be difficult. You may have to wait until they have decomposed somewhat, that is, if you can stand the smell.
Those idiots that keep gloating over how many dead whatever side suffers, who keep saying the Russians should have started sooner or go in heavier, they probably never saw death up close or else they are sadistic monsters. Russia hates this war and NATO loves it: that tells you all there is to know.

Posted by: Anthony | Feb 19 2023 12:57 utc | 125

If they had been prescient, most of the western nations seated around this table would have known that Japan, represented here by the Meiji Emperor, gave them more to fear than China.
https://www.thoughtco.com/the-boxer-rebellion-in-editorial-cartoons-195619
The 1911 cartoon was a century ahead.
It was 2011 when the U$ started its war “games” with its best lil Pacific Deputy Sheriff, gaming to “choke China” and its trade through the Malacca Straits.
It was about then Obama came to Darwin (cancelling visit to Parliament in Canberra because “too far” and he was “too busy”).
The Darwin visit saw the signing of an agreement for 200 U$ troops to be stationed in Australia.
It was instantly 2000, because the difference between 200 and 2000 is just a zero… we now have 2 bases in Western Australia, a presence in Darwin and the ubiquitous Pine Gap.
All to deal with the “rise of China”…..
Just hope Russia in Ukraine keeps them busy and depleted before they can start with China, using Australia as the designated“ lilypad”.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 19 2023 6:10 utc | 98
Thank you, Melaleuca!! Excellent content, very much contemporary relevance, as you note.
I’m a retired history teacher, only at the High School level, but I know when “History repeats”, as the commonest saying goes. Marx added first as tragedy, then as farce. It was Twain who quipped it doesn’t often repeat, but rhymes. But my favorite saying is Wm. Faulkner, receiving the Nobel Prize for Literature, “The past is never dead. It’s not even past.” (Actually some years prior, the brilliant paranormal researcher and library pillager Charles Fort said something like this nearly word for word.)
Goering, in prison, explaining his momentary success and the Reich’s, is quoted as saying, “Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.” Bingo, bango, boom, the US’s methods from wiping out the Native peoples up to today’s “righteous” war against the “evil” (I’m sure he is, as are virtually all leaders in general. That doesn’t mean that Russia has no legitimate right of self-defense. Nor does that mean that “Putin started this war,” the SMO was undertaken with moderation and restraint, some would say too much, as a necessity of self-defense, as the current MoA series by B. here convincingly shows.)
This is all going to end very, very badly for the U.S. Hegemon (returning to your sources & to history’s long arc, not bending toward justice naturally, but only when people are forced into a corner and have to fight back against oppressors.)
Thanks for the share, which I appreciate.

Posted by: SkepticalThinker | Feb 19 2023 13:06 utc | 126

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 19 2023 12:13 utc | 125
‘gasbags like Martyanov’
Who’ve written books and accurately predicted the course of events months before they happened. Russians are very similar to Americans in that they tend to believe in their undeniable supremacy, in most areas of human endeavour, and will express this voluminously, however much evidence to the contrary is staring them in the face.
Martyanov’s understandable irritation is with the tactical fixation most amateur commentators focus on, when strategic positioning and operational realities have already decided the outcome of this proxy war against Russia.

Posted by: Milites | Feb 19 2023 13:12 utc | 127

But I guess that on 24 February 2022 there were a lot of parties celebrating success in Washington (and in London and Warsaw etc.).

Posted by: Blissex | Feb 19 2023 12:56 utc | 129
I am sure they were. But that was based on the now shown to be erroneous assumption that Russia invading Ukraine would lead the collapse of the Russia economy, Russia’s isolation from the world, high losses in men and materiel and that all these factors together would be a general revolt inside Russia that would depose Putin.
Nothing of the sort has happened. Russia is isolated from the EU but the EU is isolated from the rest of the world. Russia’s economy has not collapsed as predicted but serious economic harm has been inflicted on the EU instead. Russia was supposed to bleed but instead NATO is.
The mood in NATO now is one of panic. At the current trajectory Russia has defeated Ukraine. It is only the constant flow of money and material they is keeping Zelensky afloat. Russia isn’t fighting Ukraine anymore but NATO.
This was never part of the plan.

Posted by: Down South | Feb 19 2023 13:24 utc | 128

Posted by: too scents | Feb 19 2023 11:48 utc | 121

Their thinking is stuck in 1958, but without the supporting factories.

All too true, and with the dominance of finance capitalism I don’t see much chance of the factories returning, requiring long-term investment in buildings, machinery and skills-training. Anathema to the quarterly profit returns.
About the only factories capable of working overtime are the propaganda factories of the western MSM. The Russian SMO has exposed the product of these factories as severely lacking in quality control…

Posted by: West of England Andy | Feb 19 2023 13:25 utc | 129

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 19 2023 10:37 utc | 114
You conveniently forget the state of the country that Labour had left the Tories and the impact that had on the British armed forces. The origins of the Challenger are only partially correct, the Shah’s order for the Shir I and II was cancelled but so was the MBT-80 project, leaving the UK stuck with the Chieftain and it’s unreliable power pack and outdated armour. Scrapping them would have been a complete waste so with the addition of Chobham armour and a new FCS the Brits upgraded, or would you have had them scrapped.
As for exploiting countries by selling weapons and technology they cannot afford or need, It was not an exclusively Western trait if I remember correctly.

Posted by: Milites | Feb 19 2023 13:34 utc | 130

Down South | Feb 19 2023 5:02 utc | 9
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Quoted: It is often said in some commentaries that, “Putin does not bluff”.
I feel the far more frightening and honest statement would be that, “Putin does not know what a bluff is, and the Americans do not know what a given word’s value is.”

Americans know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Your story of cultural contrasts is so revealing. Martin’s Game of Thrones series reminds me of the Outlaw US Empire to a tee: scum rises to the top of the swamp, a loveless, lifeless place of terror, greed, treachery, betrayal, and slaughter. I managed to start his second book and gave up on finding anything redemptive. Usually, I’d read paperbacks, then donate them. GOT went not to the thrift shop, not to the recycle bin, just to the dumpster. Even tried bits of its wildly popular TV-adapted episodes at random out of curiosity. Ugh. I see myself as a duly-documented alien in America.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Feb 19 2023 13:42 utc | 131

Perhaps along with the illustration our blogger might want to mention an old UK song, from the 1850s (the first war of Crimea) that is still popular:
The dogs of war are loose, and the ragged Russian Bear,
Full bent on blood and robbery, has crawl’d out of his lair;
It seems a thrashing now and then, will never help to tame
That brute, and so he’s out upon the “same old game.”
The Lion did his best to find him some excuse
To crawl back to his den again, all efforts were no use;
He hunger’d for his victim, he’s pleased when blood is shed,
But let us hope his crimes may all recoil on his own head.
REFRAIN:
We don’t want to fight but by jingo if we do,
We’ve got the ships, we’ve got the men, and got the money too!
We’ve fought the Bear before and while we’re Britons true
The Russians shall not have Constantinople!

Posted by: Blissex | Feb 19 2023 13:45 utc | 132

are the propaganda factories of the western MSM.
Posted by: West of England Andy | Feb 19 2023 13:25 utc | 134

According to a newly published paper now making the rounds (Chinese State Media Persuades a Global Audience That the “China Model” is Superior: Evidence From A 19-Country Experiment) Western propaganda isn’t making the grade.
From the abstract:

We conduct a randomized experiment in 19 countries across 6 continents exposing a global audience to real messages from the Chinese and American governments’ external media arms. We also collect comprehensive data on the external messaging of the Chinese and American governments. We find that exposure to a representative set of Chinese messages strengthens perceptions that the CCP delivers growth, stability, and competent leadership. It also triples the proportion of respondents who think the Chinese system is superior to the American system, from 16 to 54 percent. In head-to-head match-ups, messages from the U.S. government are less persuasive.

https://t.co/wQviURIE68

Posted by: too scents | Feb 19 2023 13:48 utc | 133

Militia [135]
As I recall I stated ATMs were sold to OPEC and I mentioned the Shah. We had nothing else to sell after Thatcher era protected only the arms sector of the engineering industry.
I made no comment about Challenger other than the fact the assessment team looking at a Chieftain replacement recommended Leopard. I have no issue with Challenger as an option.
My issue is that Defence was very different in 1978 on any metric from 1988 and the Tories have run U.K. for most of postwar era. Peter Levene was supposed to tidy up Defence Procurement but we see the old corruption in full flood still buying crap that does not work at inflated prices.
U.K. is really peer group with Italy and should not pretend it is a major military power when it is nothing other than the Foreign Legion of Pentagon
It is time to recognise UK’s inherent mediocrity as an economic power and therefore its inability to be a significant military power

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 19 2023 15:43 utc | 134

Looking at the Russian and Ukrainian soul, you can start with Gogol.
Somewhere between Taras Bulba and Dead Souls you see what’s happing.
It’s not that different from the US in certain respects.
In Taras Bulba the Orthodox Cossack Colonel, the eponymous Taras ends up murdering his own son Andrei for marrying a Polish aristocrat and going over to the Catholic Poles as a cavalry officer. Taras loses his other son by execution in Warsaw. A Christlike death where he calls out for his dad.
Taras is tricked into this murder by Yankel a character that Gogol famously wrote. Yankel is Zelenskyy, Blinken, Nuland, Sullivan…Taras witnesses his other son’s execution after being smuggled into Warsaw by Yankel.
Taras is later captured by the Poles and burned as a heretic.
You might call Taras the Cossack Avatar. He’s like Braveheart or Rob Roy.
Anyway Gogol’s other book Dead Souls is about a Schemer who goes around Russia buying Serfs, dead Serfs that is, from aristocrats releasing the Aristo from state tax obligations on their Souls in that year census. When the Schemer gets enough souls he can apply for loan to buy a huge estate and live a life of luxury. It’s very Russian. But very universal.
Ukies are harvesting their boys and chucking them in front of RusFed gunners. The Result is billionaire Ukie oligarchs. Dead Souls indeed.

Posted by: Wokechoke | Feb 19 2023 15:48 utc | 135

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 19 2023 15:43 utc | 139
The point about the Chieftain, ‘the safest tank to go to war in, as you’ll breakdown before you reach the frontline’ was that it was a classic case of Labour being in hoc to the Unions and bailing out BL. The County Class Destroyers that sailed with the Taskforce had manual chain pulleys to reload their principle SAM system due to Labour cost cutting. The Tories fell into the tech trap, but the entire NATO force, apart from the US, was a logistical joke, designed to provide a tripwire force and provide wargame designers and novelists lots of opportunities. Still, the Able Archer near-disaster showed the Soviets were still prone to over-estimate their opponents abilities as in 45.

Posted by: Milites | Feb 19 2023 16:42 utc | 136

This “kid” who made this video displayed more intelligent life and knowledge of history than all the journalists combined in the entire US MSM . He starts out making it so simple then documents everything he says with right sources… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLJDROnssgA

Posted by: Zismo | Feb 19 2023 20:09 utc | 137

@ 142
I so appreciate Ben’s contributions to the conversation!
thank you for bringing him into this forum.

Posted by: Irish | Feb 19 2023 21:02 utc | 138

@ Down South 127
Thanks for your response. I hope you are right about the outcome in Ukraine and the defeat of the neocons. Far too many people for far too long have been grovelling to these parasites. Utterly sick making.

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 19 2023 22:49 utc | 139