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February 16, 2023
The Buildup To War In Ukraine – Wednesday, February 16, 2022

On the even of February 15 the Russian Foreign Ministry released information about a phone call between Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Secretary of State Anthony Blinken. CGTN reported on February 16:

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on Tuesday called on the U.S. to drop aggressive rhetoric in dialogue on security guarantees and demonstrate pragmatic approach to this topic, state-owned Tass news agency reports.

Lavrov held a telephone conversation with U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken, in which the Russian diplomat stressed the need to continue working together.

"On our part, it was stressed that it is necessary to continue joint work, as was agreed by Presidents [of Russia Vladimir] Putin and [of the United States Joe] Biden during their telephone call on February 12, in the context of the US and NATO proposals on security guarantees," TASS quotes the Russian foreign ministry.

"Lavrov specially stressed the inadmissibility of aggressive rhetoric fanned by Washington and its closest allies and called for a pragmatic dialogue on the entire spectrum of issues raised by Russia, with a focus on the principle of indivisible security."

Russia had previously sent demands for talks on several issues to the U.S. and NATO. The most important point for Russia had been the term 'indivisible security' in the sense that security for one side should not interfere with the security of the other side.

This term is included in several treaties with Russia. It claimed that the expansion of NATO was threatening its security and thereby breaching those treaties. While the U.S. denied this, it is obvious that all NATO expansion were increasing the potential danger for Russia. Russia and NATO were thus put into a classic security dilemma:

In international relations, the security dilemma (also referred to as the spiral model) is when the increase in one state's security (such as increasing its military strength) leads other states to fear for their own security (because they do not know if the security-increasing state intends to use its growing military for offensive purposes). Consequently, security-increasing measures can lead to tensions, escalation or conflict with one or more other parties, producing an outcome which no party truly desires; a political instance of the prisoner's dilemma.

The U.S. had responded to the Russian paper by conceding on some minor points that Russia had long demanded but not on any of the big questions of which the most important one was 'indivisible security'.

On February 2 2022 I had described the process in detail:

[I]n mid December Russia started to counter the U.S. move. It published two draft treaties, one with the U.S. and one with NATO, that included stringent security demands:

  • No more NATO expansion towards Russia's borders.
  • Retraction of the 2008 NATO invitation to Ukraine and Georgia.
  • Removal of foreign NATO forces from east Europe.
  • Legally binding guarantee that no strike systems which could target Moscow will be deployed in countries near to Russia.
  • No NATO or equivalent (UK, U.S., Pl.) 'exercises' near Russian borders.
  • NATO ships, planes to keep certain distances from Russian borders.
  • Regular military-to-military talks.
  • No U.S. nukes in Europe.

Russia requested written responses and threatened to take 'military technical' measures should the responses be negative. Russia also planned for and launched new military exercises.

The responses were received but, following a U.S. request, Russia refrained from publishing them. They were leaked to El Pais, published today and can be downloaded here (pdf).

The U.S. response to Russia's draft treaties is professional. While it rejects Russia's main demands, especially a neutral status for the Ukraine, it concedes on minor issues and offers additional talks on them. The NATO response is in contrast highly ideological and rejects all of Russia's points while making new demands towards Russia which are designed to be rejected. (Future negotiations are now likely to exclude NATO.)

Russia has yet to officially respond to the received letters. During a news conference after talks with the Prime Minister of Hungary the Russian President remarked on the letters:

[W]hile ignoring our concerns, the United States and NATO are referring to the right of states to freely choose specific methods to ensure their security. But this is not only about providing someone with the right to freely choose methods to ensure their security. This is only one part of the well-known indivisible security formula. The second inalienable part implies that it is impossible to strengthen anyone’s security at the expense of other states’ security.

Russia's Foreign Ministry has send a letter to several NATO countries in which it requests their official opinions on several agreements they have signed which include clauses on the indivisibility of security:

The very essence of the agreements on indivisible security is that either there is security for all or there is no security for anyone.

How is the signing of those treaties and indivisible security for all compatible with the aggressive NATO expansion aimed at Russia? 'Western' foreign ministries will find it difficult to answer that question.

France 24 listed some of its relevant headlines of the day:

  • Ukraine crisis: Moscow announces end of Crimea drills, NATO unconvinced
  • Russia's parliament asks Putin to recognise breakaway east Ukrainian regions
  • Ukraine crisis: Russian pullout meets Western allies scepticism
  • 'Day of Unity': Ukrainians raise flags to defy Russia invasion fear
  • NATO says Russia appears to be continuing military escalation in Ukraine
  • NATO chief says Russia appears to be continuing military build-up around Ukraine

The OSCE Special Observer Mission at the ceasefire line in southeast-Ukraine reported of February 16 that the number of ceasefire violations had suddenly jumped to above average. Artillery exchanges took place on many parts of the front.

In Donetsk region, the SMM recorded 189 ceasefire violations, including 128 explosions. In the previous reporting period, it recorded 24 ceasefire violations in the region.

In Luhansk region, the Mission recorded 402 ceasefire violations, including 188 explosions. In the previous reporting period, it recorded 129 ceasefire violations in the region.

On February 16 the observers noticed several self propelled howitzer (2S1 Govzdika, 122 mm) in violation of withdrawal lines. Four were seen on the Ukrainian government side and two on the non-government side.

After three days that had been more or less quite the sudden jump in fighting was particularly noticeable.


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The map shows explosions, the small black dots, on both sides of the ceasefire line.


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Comments

Just in case you haven’t seen it -I just found it at MediaLens- this is an excellent compilation of politicians demanding an end to Nordstream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVdluqSePTA

Posted by: bevin | Feb 17 2023 15:13 utc | 201

@ Brother Ma 197
Thanks for your kind advice. Actually, I woke up this morning and that black cloud had blown away. Talking of black clouds, I once heard a Polish lady on the radio describing her dark foreboding as coming from tgectraumas of Polish history, now all in the past for her as she lived in London.
There must be millions of EU citizens with dark foreboding about war in Europe, while their governments are sending ex troops or mercenaries to Ukraine. Nobody seems to understand that the electoral systems have been rigged with algorithms by the US.
I think the presence of algorithms or logical robotic inhuman thought is immensely scary to normal people who are used to commonsense prevailing. I have worked long enough ( 6 months) in an office to know that robotic, unemotional thought is regarded as a virtue in Western corporate business. It scares me rigid.
I look at my electrical work as a craftsman first, and only then try to tick the logic boxes. Anyway many thanks for your support.

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 17 2023 15:13 utc | 202

Alexander Mercouris’ speculated yesterday on the WH ‘spokesman’ a year ago being confident that Russia wouldn’t cut the supply of gas to Europe in retaliation to the sanctions ladder that had been planned incase Russia invaded. Whilst as Hersh revealed that plans for blowing up the pipelines were already underway.
Now I doubted Hirsch because he didn’t mention Truss’s ‘It’s Done’ message to Blinken.
But iI had also not quite understood that the pipelines were targeted quite some distance apart. I only saw one photo of bubbling sea.
The NS1 pair running close to Norway. Whilst NS2 was targeted near the Danish island.
It would be logical to say that two separate teams at least were therefore employed to sabotage both pipeline sets.
So I am prepared to believe that Hersh is correct on NS1 , but what about NS2? My money would still be on the SBS underwater demolition team which would explain the ‘’It’s Done’ exhilaration by dumb bimbo LiztheQueenkiller.
Either way it was state sponsored and run terrorist attack against wholly civilian infrastructure- either in response to failing sanctions or to initiate a retaliation against the perpetrator- and with the revelation, inviting it against the Norwegians- no wonder Jens is wobbling about like a long nosed pinnochio on strings.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 17 2023 15:22 utc | 203

Vragtes@201
We think alike!

Posted by: bevin | Feb 17 2023 15:25 utc | 204

Can we agree the blowing of the pipelines was a “terrorist” act?
If so, let me inquire – what is the precedent for dealing with terrorist?
Anybody got some input on that simple question?
Assuming we can agree the blowing of the pipelines was a terrorist act….I mean why split hairs until that can be agreed upon?

Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 17 2023 15:26 utc | 205

terrorism: the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 17 2023 15:31 utc | 206

Posted by: Exile | Feb 17 2023 14:39 utc | 198
Thanks for the gold article.
I think the time for US dollar is running out – the question is how soon? 3 year treasury yield persists so far at 4.8 % and 10 year 3.85%. I think a coming default will be one trigger for dumping of US dollar around the world, but the question is when will that happen. It takes time to roll over the entire debt base of US, but gradually, effective interest on debt payments rise. I think the petroyuan/petrogold etc. things will help this process.

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 17 2023 15:32 utc | 207

I have 22 years of Electrical Test Certificates in six fat office ring folders, but apparently I don’t know my job. Nazism is about to unmask in Sunak’s Stazi Party. Maybe in Germany where b. Writes this blog from such blatant Nazi thought control cannot be enforced, but here in Britain, supporting Putin in public is very soon going to get your brain closed.
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 17 2023 6:12 utc | 137

Lots of options in Turkey/Syria now, since you are nervous about the UK. More kindred spirits too.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 17 2023 15:34 utc | 208

So, assuming it was a terrorist act (as defined above – thankyou Don Bacon), is it not wise to first understand the cause and the perpetuators? So, begs the question – why are they hiding the outcome of the root cause analysis?
Asked another way – just how many terrorist are out there and do they think they have inalienable cause to harm others?
I suspect not.
BK

Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 17 2023 15:38 utc | 209

Sorry to ask orcward questions but is it possible that a Ukrainian Orc and a Daesh have the same father? Adolph? They seem to have a lot in common, including giving absolute loyalty to a Jewish leader, being trained to fight by USUKIS, and being part of a Western psyops to control sovereign land that belongs to somebody else.

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 17 2023 15:40 utc | 210

@ Don Bacon | Feb 17 2023 15:31 utc | 207

Terrorism, a word first used in Burke’s Reflections on the Revolution in France, is a word designed to put ones opponents outside the limits of discourse, so that they can be attacked without addressing their grievances.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflections_on_the_Revolution_in_France

Posted by: too scents | Feb 17 2023 15:54 utc | 211

but the question is when will that happen. It takes time to roll over the entire debt base of US, but gradually, effective interest on debt payments rise.
Posted by: unimperator | Feb 17 2023 15:32 utc | 208

My guess is first effects will be felt maybe in 2025 and hit hard maybe around 2029. A glacially slow grinding process., Note, that Europe and Japan won‘t be ditching the dollar. These are massive economies.
Also note that Wahington will pro-actively fight de-dollarization.

Posted by: Exile | Feb 17 2023 15:57 utc | 212

@ 211
Correction:
.. and being part of a Western psyops to control a fertile, sovereign land with a temperate climate that belongs to somebody else.

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 17 2023 15:58 utc | 213

Finger in the Dike NAIO Offensive Ratchets Up.
“EU member approves giving drunk drivers’ cars to Ukraine
Latvian MPs authorized the cabinet to hand over confiscated vehicles to Kiev”

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Feb 17 2023 15:59 utc | 214

Milley has announced victory over Russia. That means the US has pulled out.
War on China is a higher priority. Being Australian I watch that with interest. The build up to wear with China…. foresight is better than hindsight.
This stuff on the build up to war in Ukraine needs to be coupled to the current build up of war against China. US will do the same there. Throw Japan, Australia, India into the fray and stand back. All US proxies will get that Stoltenberg moment of clinging to an aircraft undercarriage as it leaves Afghanistan.
And meantime proxy gov money flows into US MIC. Capital flight to the US from the vassals. Biden MAGA = Stockhome syndrome.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 17 2023 16:07 utc | 215

umm…too scents @213
that may be the case, but is it pertinent to the question at hand or a reflection upon alternative meanings of the definition of a “terrorist”? If so, what is you definition?
For the sake of this conversation, it seems in admittable to me because it just muddies the waters – of course there is history in all words, but a word defined is a word defined for the sake of discourse is what I think – do you have a problem with that?

Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 17 2023 16:08 utc | 216

@ Buffalo_Ken | Feb 17 2023 16:08 utc | 218

Terrorism is a word exactly designed by propagandists to omit their agency when attacking the outside group.
There is always a better word to use, unless you are a propagandist.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 17 2023 16:12 utc | 217

As many commentators have already pointed out, NATO doesn’t come close to passing the Credibility sniff test.
Its current inability/reluctance to arm Ukraine to the teeth so fast that Putin’s head would be spinning, is a perfect match with its 75 year inability/reluctance to dissuade “Israel’s” Holocaust survivors from holocausting Palestinians in the name of Freedom and Democracy.
And it’s for exactly the same reason. The “Israel” Lobby OWNS most if not all of the West’s politicians.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 17 2023 16:12 utc | 218

@ 211 correction # 2
Soros to ask Orcward questions, ..
Just connecting dots from the Syrian USUKIS conflict with dots from the present.
The key is WHEAT, SILOS. FAMINE , DEATH

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 17 2023 16:13 utc | 219

Posted by: too scents | Feb 17 2023 16:12 utc | 219
My incentive is to get to the bottom of matters at hand and not to muddy waters.
The matter at hand I suspect is definitive proof as to who blew up the pipelines.
Does that make sense to you and do you think blowing up the pipelines was a terrorist act?

Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 17 2023 16:16 utc | 220

Moreover, if all you got is calling the kettle black….seriously – what is the point of that?
It diminishes finding the solutions…cause truly, if you think I’m a propagandist, I will throw that back at you metaphorically…and I can prove it.
BK

Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 17 2023 16:18 utc | 221

do you think blowing up the pipelines was a terrorist act?
Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 17 2023 16:16 utc | 222

No, I don’t think the NS sabotage was terrorist. It was an act of war by an inside group whose motive was not terror.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 17 2023 16:26 utc | 222

Posted by: too scents | Feb 17 2023 16:26 utc | 224
I can agree with that and I know whose side I am on.
BK

Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 17 2023 16:27 utc | 223

So apparently Ukraine did get some position back south of Ivanovske-Konstantinovka highway (W of Ivanovske).
To be honest, it was kind of expected that they would mount counter attack there to get breathing room for Bakhmut. No details of this, though. Is it only Wagner that’s responsible not only for Bakhmut, but the immediate areas S/SW/N/NW/NE of it too? The flanks should be army reinforced by army, but of one can understand that the position where counter attack happened can be attacked from potentially 3 sides by Ukraine.

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 17 2023 16:27 utc | 224

However, the “motive” may not have been “terror”, but I’m sure they didn’t mind if some of it happened…as an after affect and such.
Problem is some of us are so fedup we will take this to the end.
It is WAR!

Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 17 2023 16:28 utc | 225

bevin@206-thinking alike to you is a wonderful compliment to me. I seek out your posts here (and elsewhere) for they are invariably apposite.

Posted by: Vragtes | Feb 17 2023 16:29 utc | 226

Made that after “effect”….and wars these days are played on a different field I suspect.
I play to win.

Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 17 2023 16:29 utc | 227

I want to go on record as insisting indignantly that the root cause analysis of the pipeline event be provided transparently.
Indignancy does NOT go away until there is justice.

Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 17 2023 16:32 utc | 228

DunGroanin | Feb 17 2023 15:22 utc | 205
Sorry but neither NS1 nor NS2 are anywhere near Norway. I think you probably meant Sweden in your comment.
Most interesting about the clean up, otherwise known as an investigation, is the classified silence. Knowing that if there had been any hint of Russian involvement, evidential or not, then it would have been leaked in minutes. That small fact speaks volumes.

Posted by: JohninMK | Feb 17 2023 17:04 utc | 229

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 17 2023 15:22 utc | 205
I had heard that Stultifyingberg was acting more irrationally of late and your post also could explain it. He is shot-scared that Norway will be targetted by Russia ,either because he knows Norway is guilty or even worse,he realises someone in the US is solely framing Norway for it.
He can’t tell the world the truth to save his country because he and Norway are guilty of other crimes. So he is slowly going mad like Macbeth ,and so doesn’t want to renew his contract with NATO.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Feb 17 2023 17:12 utc | 230

@ Vragtes | Feb 17 2023 10:07 utc | 166
thanks! ditto back at you!

Posted by: james | Feb 17 2023 19:15 utc | 231