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February 16, 2023
The Buildup To War In Ukraine – Wednesday, February 16, 2022

On the even of February 15 the Russian Foreign Ministry released information about a phone call between Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Secretary of State Anthony Blinken. CGTN reported on February 16:

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on Tuesday called on the U.S. to drop aggressive rhetoric in dialogue on security guarantees and demonstrate pragmatic approach to this topic, state-owned Tass news agency reports.

Lavrov held a telephone conversation with U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken, in which the Russian diplomat stressed the need to continue working together.

"On our part, it was stressed that it is necessary to continue joint work, as was agreed by Presidents [of Russia Vladimir] Putin and [of the United States Joe] Biden during their telephone call on February 12, in the context of the US and NATO proposals on security guarantees," TASS quotes the Russian foreign ministry.

"Lavrov specially stressed the inadmissibility of aggressive rhetoric fanned by Washington and its closest allies and called for a pragmatic dialogue on the entire spectrum of issues raised by Russia, with a focus on the principle of indivisible security."

Russia had previously sent demands for talks on several issues to the U.S. and NATO. The most important point for Russia had been the term 'indivisible security' in the sense that security for one side should not interfere with the security of the other side.

This term is included in several treaties with Russia. It claimed that the expansion of NATO was threatening its security and thereby breaching those treaties. While the U.S. denied this, it is obvious that all NATO expansion were increasing the potential danger for Russia. Russia and NATO were thus put into a classic security dilemma:

In international relations, the security dilemma (also referred to as the spiral model) is when the increase in one state's security (such as increasing its military strength) leads other states to fear for their own security (because they do not know if the security-increasing state intends to use its growing military for offensive purposes). Consequently, security-increasing measures can lead to tensions, escalation or conflict with one or more other parties, producing an outcome which no party truly desires; a political instance of the prisoner's dilemma.

The U.S. had responded to the Russian paper by conceding on some minor points that Russia had long demanded but not on any of the big questions of which the most important one was 'indivisible security'.

On February 2 2022 I had described the process in detail:

[I]n mid December Russia started to counter the U.S. move. It published two draft treaties, one with the U.S. and one with NATO, that included stringent security demands:

  • No more NATO expansion towards Russia's borders.
  • Retraction of the 2008 NATO invitation to Ukraine and Georgia.
  • Removal of foreign NATO forces from east Europe.
  • Legally binding guarantee that no strike systems which could target Moscow will be deployed in countries near to Russia.
  • No NATO or equivalent (UK, U.S., Pl.) 'exercises' near Russian borders.
  • NATO ships, planes to keep certain distances from Russian borders.
  • Regular military-to-military talks.
  • No U.S. nukes in Europe.

Russia requested written responses and threatened to take 'military technical' measures should the responses be negative. Russia also planned for and launched new military exercises.

The responses were received but, following a U.S. request, Russia refrained from publishing them. They were leaked to El Pais, published today and can be downloaded here (pdf).

The U.S. response to Russia's draft treaties is professional. While it rejects Russia's main demands, especially a neutral status for the Ukraine, it concedes on minor issues and offers additional talks on them. The NATO response is in contrast highly ideological and rejects all of Russia's points while making new demands towards Russia which are designed to be rejected. (Future negotiations are now likely to exclude NATO.)

Russia has yet to officially respond to the received letters. During a news conference after talks with the Prime Minister of Hungary the Russian President remarked on the letters:

[W]hile ignoring our concerns, the United States and NATO are referring to the right of states to freely choose specific methods to ensure their security. But this is not only about providing someone with the right to freely choose methods to ensure their security. This is only one part of the well-known indivisible security formula. The second inalienable part implies that it is impossible to strengthen anyone’s security at the expense of other states’ security.

Russia's Foreign Ministry has send a letter to several NATO countries in which it requests their official opinions on several agreements they have signed which include clauses on the indivisibility of security:

The very essence of the agreements on indivisible security is that either there is security for all or there is no security for anyone.

How is the signing of those treaties and indivisible security for all compatible with the aggressive NATO expansion aimed at Russia? 'Western' foreign ministries will find it difficult to answer that question.

France 24 listed some of its relevant headlines of the day:

  • Ukraine crisis: Moscow announces end of Crimea drills, NATO unconvinced
  • Russia's parliament asks Putin to recognise breakaway east Ukrainian regions
  • Ukraine crisis: Russian pullout meets Western allies scepticism
  • 'Day of Unity': Ukrainians raise flags to defy Russia invasion fear
  • NATO says Russia appears to be continuing military escalation in Ukraine
  • NATO chief says Russia appears to be continuing military build-up around Ukraine

The OSCE Special Observer Mission at the ceasefire line in southeast-Ukraine reported of February 16 that the number of ceasefire violations had suddenly jumped to above average. Artillery exchanges took place on many parts of the front.

In Donetsk region, the SMM recorded 189 ceasefire violations, including 128 explosions. In the previous reporting period, it recorded 24 ceasefire violations in the region.

In Luhansk region, the Mission recorded 402 ceasefire violations, including 188 explosions. In the previous reporting period, it recorded 129 ceasefire violations in the region.

On February 16 the observers noticed several self propelled howitzer (2S1 Govzdika, 122 mm) in violation of withdrawal lines. Four were seen on the Ukrainian government side and two on the non-government side.

After three days that had been more or less quite the sudden jump in fighting was particularly noticeable.


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The map shows explosions, the small black dots, on both sides of the ceasefire line.


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Comments

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 17 2023 0:38 utc | 99

ref. #98 .. I respect all beliefs. But this is not the venue to expound on this type of thought.

This “type of thought” should be freely thinkable, but not yet forced anyway (eg. by MSM).
Let’s go back to Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed (that’s the timely schedule of spreading and/or the convincing),
but what has, for instance, a Cock-Piano-Player to respond to that from his own person to that?
Don’t now here at first anyone on MoA, but doesn’t matter.
Cock-Player Mr. Zki is still powdered in South-AM coca and did his public PR-role perfectly – til today.
That is, the RF won’t try to “exchange” him .. Kept that?
So, if killing Mr. Zki, another US-made guy would arise in UKR.
That’s it so far, concerning any swapped leader in UKR – by a green Baer-Back revolution?
Many questions left open today.
Waiting for new updates on UKR front line…

Posted by: spare_truth | Feb 17 2023 1:05 utc | 101

Zebra @13
Thanx for the link. Simplicimus is definitely on top of his game.

Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 17 2023 1:13 utc | 102

OK b, goodnight. Still who the fuck is Benjamin Disraeli, 1st Earl of Beaconsfield, KG, PC, DL, JP, FRS (21 December 1804 – 19 April 1881) was a British statesman and Conservative politician who twice served as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. He played a central role in the creation of the modern Conservative Party.
I like Mark Twain better.

Posted by: Ed | Feb 17 2023 1:14 utc | 103

I thought about this SMO at the end of its first year being a greater success that anyone could have imagined. One year, with a fraction of its total military forces beating down NATO’s best effort to the point of Ukies fighting with 16 year olds and at the end of their stocks of ammunition. Imagine the Oh Shit going on in Western Militaries knowing they would be out of ammo in a couple months at best – while Russia is increasing its stockpiles from factory production more and more with each passing week.
This war is soooo over… except for the however low casualties of russian soldiers still to come I’d hope the meat grinder could go on all the way through D.C. to the woke west coast.
Every fallen Russian is a tragedy no number of freezing europeans can make up for.

Posted by: comrade simba | Feb 17 2023 1:23 utc | 104

More kudos to b for his continuing recap. I especially commend his emphasis on the issue over the concept of indivisible security for it’s at the very core of it all. The concept in included in EVERY OSCE Treaty on Security, ALL of which were approved by the heads of all NATO states. Did they not know what they were agreeing to I wrote over a year ago?! And on three separate occasions?! The reason there were no answers to Russia’s proposals is because Russia outright showed/accused/convicted all those NATO nations of breaking the treaties they signed, which was no different than backing Ukraine in its breaking of Minsk, and indeed since that was an UNSC Resolution, France, UK and USA ALL broke that UNSCR–They’re collective mouths were agape in stupefaction at being caught. Biden even promised Putin at their meeting in Geneva that he’d push Zelensky to implement Minsk. Empire of Lies is 100% correct and NATO’s the Liars Alliance.
Further on indivisible security, all of Lavrov’s recent speeches and pressers have hit on that issue and the concept. Lavrov talks it up with every nation he visits and I’m sure his subordinates do too. It’s at the heart of Xi’s Global Security Initiative. It forms the security core of the UN Charter. It’s the goal announced by Russia/China in their 4 Feb 2022 Joint Declaration. AND the concept is agreed upon by the RoW–only the NATO pukes feel it’s their right to threaten all and sundry.
On 20 Dec 2021, I published this crucial article, “Update on Russia’s Declarations With Full Treaty Texts and Various Analyses”, which was read by several barflies at the time. It remains crucial. The next day, I published another vital article, “Putin’s Speech at the Annual Defense Ministry Board Meeting Reveals Frank Truths”, which I strongly feel like copy/pasting in its entirety as it remains quite valid. And there’s more. Just reading everything done by Lavrov from the beginning of November to the February 21 Security Council Meeting provides enough to write a book about this time period. But I’ve already groused enough. Many like b’s recaps, but none really want to actually revisit the meat of it all as they’re just concerned with the present–after all, the past can’t be changed.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 17 2023 2:01 utc | 105

@ Dingo
This thread is about Ukraine isn`t it? I`m hoping that someone is able on this forum to be able to think outside the box. It doesn`t seem to be you Dingo….

Posted by: Woodenhue | Feb 17 2023 2:03 utc | 106

I can’t fathom why Mr. Lavrov is being polite, engaging in conversations with Blinken when it is a known certainty that his counterpart and the gang in D.C. are untrustworthy. Totally wasted energy.
February 16, 2023.
The phone lines were not even cooled and here we have Vicky Nuland making bare her plans for Ukraine. Cookie is dreaming and doubling down.
Gotta love this header:
Nuland outlines US goals in Ukraine
The Maidan “midwife” hopes for conquest of Crimea and regime change in Russia
– RT:

Unless the Crimean peninsula is at the very least “demilitarized” Ukraine won’t feel safe, while the ideal end to the current conflict is with a revolution in Moscow, the US Deputy Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland said on Thursday.
Ukrainians “have to get to a map that is more sustainable for them,” Nuland said in a video interview with the Washington think tank Carnegie Endowment. They have “significant chunks of territory they need to be a viable state, before you even get to the question of Crimea, and that’s what they’re focused on now.”
The US position is that Ukraine is “owed and due all of their territory within their international borders,” which means Crimea as well, Nuland added.
Assigned to Ukraine by the Soviet Union in 1954, Crimea voted to rejoin Russia in March 2014, after the violent coup in Kiev that Nuland helped “midwife,”  according to the infamous phone call intercept.
“Ukraine is not going to be safe unless Crimea is – at a minimum, at a minimum – demilitarized,” Nuland insisted on Thursday, claiming that Moscow had turned the peninsula into a military base, with command posts, logistics depots and airfields for “Iranian drones.”
“Those are legitimate targets, Ukraine is hitting them, and we are supporting that,” she said.[.]
Asked how she saw the conflict ending, Nuland said the West …“must never trust, as long as Vladimir Putin is in power, or somebody like him, that this is truly over.” 
Even if the fighting ends on Ukraine’s terms, there “has to be a long-term plan” to build up Ukraine’s military as a deterrent. She also expressed a preference for Russians overthrowing their government for a “better future” offered by the West.
[.]
(bold emphasis added. Italics original)

Memo to Mr. Lavrov:
Told you so. A waste of time picking up the phone. A distraction.
Now all of Ukraine must be liberated to the Polish border.

Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 17 2023 2:05 utc | 107

# 107 You are correct.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 17 2023 2:13 utc | 108

# 108 Her eyeballs are going to be bleeding if Odessa flips over.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 17 2023 2:21 utc | 109

AP has photos of ukies wearing ISIS chevrons. not even trying to hide the fact
https://imgur.io/B6RunXt

Posted by: hankster | Feb 17 2023 2:56 utc | 110

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ #Chronicle of the Special Military Operation for 16 Feb 2023⚡️
💥 Over the past 24 hours, the RF Armed Forces launched massive missile strikes against energy infrastructure and other strategic targets in #Kharkov, #Ochakov, #Odessa, #Pavlograd, as well as in #Poltava, #Kirovograd and #Lvov regions.
➖ Several facilities, including the 330 kV #Kremenchuk power substation and the oil refinery in the village of #Shestakovka in #Kirovograd region were damaged.
🔹#Belgorod Region:
▪️ Ukrainian terrorist troops shelled the villages of #Ustinka and #Voznesenovka. Power lines, a gas pipeline and residential buildings were hit and one person was injured.
🔹#Soledar (#Bakhmut) Direction (MAP):
▪️ The Wagner PMCs are fighting directly in #Paraskoviyevka. The heaviest fighting is taking place in the southern part of the village. Nevertheless, the enemy is drawing up reserves and not allowing the front to collapse in this area, gnawing into every house.
➖ The Wagner assault squads managed to gain a foothold on the #Bakhmut – #Slavyansk highway and also advance in the direction of #Orekhovo – #Vasilevka and #Berkhovka, approaching close to #Zaliznyanskoye.
➖ Near Berkhovka itself, the “Wagnerians” are fighting for the dominant heights on the outskirts of the settlement. Advancement in this area will allow blocking the AFU in #Paraskoviyevka, so the enemy is transferring reinforcements to the area to stabilize the front.
➖ Fierce fighting is taking place in #Bakhmut itself. The main battles have unfolded near the nursery in #Yagodnoye. In the southwest, battles are taking place on the outskirts of #Krasnoye.
🔹#Donetsk Direction (MAP):
▪️ In #Maryinka, heavy fighting continues in the vicinity of the farm bases on Geologichnaya Street. In the vicinity of the tyre factory and gas station, Russian forces were able to expand their zone of control, dislodging the enemy from the occupied lines.
➖ Attacking the city from two sides at once, the RF Armed Forces were able to increase the tempo of the offensive by bypassing the fortifications from the flanks.
▪️ Ukrainian forces continue indiscriminate shelling of civilian infrastructure in #Donetsk and other cities of the republic In the capital of the DPR at least 10 houses in the Petrovsky district were damaged by the strikes, one person was wounded.
➖ In #Yenakiyevo, a HIMARS missile defence strike destroyed an IT school and several residential buildings.
🔹#SouthDonetsk Direction:
💥 Mutual shelling with howitzer and rocket artillery continues along the entire front line.
▪️ The RF Armed Forces hit targets in #Kherson, Zolotaya Balka, #Gavrilovka, #Nikolayev and #Ochakov.
➖ In turn, the Ukrainian Terrorist Forces launched strikes against #Chaplinka and #Korsunka.
🔹#Crimea:
▪️ The AFU attempted a UAV attack on #Sevastopol. The RF Armed Forces air defence shot down both drones before they could do any damage.

https://t.me/sitreports/4641

Posted by: Down South | Feb 17 2023 3:00 utc | 111

🇺🇦🤕 PASSING OUT THE SUMMONS: and at any cost for Kiev’s regime, as forced mobilization continues, this time a poor man literally faints after learning he’s being made to go die in NATO’s proxy war, Ukrainian military enlistment thugs call an ambulance, and according to eyewitnesses, they STILL issued him a summons when he regained consciousness

https://t.me/IntelRepublic/14353

Posted by: Down South | Feb 17 2023 3:02 utc | 112

There is only a matrix. How Western media grow simulates
Not so long ago, an article appeared on the pages of Politico about how Hollywood actor Mark Hamill helps to purchase drones for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It would seem that what is the news here – another Hollywood celebrity at the end of her career declared her commitment to the generally accepted attitude in the West today about good Ukrainians and bad Russia. Indeed, the fact itself does not interest us, but the image is very much so. Hamill has been familiar to the Western public since childhood because he is the leading actor in the cult Star Wars, Luke Skywalker is the image of a bright knight of our time for the Western layman.
The mass consciousness, controlled by media giants through the media, primarily operates with images, and images on the screen. Here are the good guys, and here are the bad guys, here is freedom and democracy, and here is tyranny. Here are the light Jedi, and here are the dark Sith. Luke Skywalker writes a message to English speakers in Ukraine: “Air raid ended. May the force be with you.” Millions grew up on the Lucas saga, and certain images and pictures are already sewn into their subcortex. There is no doubt – if Luke himself is for Ukraine, then all the other “powers of light” should unite against the evil and terrible Galactic Russian Empire with Darth Vader. Or all the peoples of Middle-earth against Sauron – here, as you like.
In the production of such media simulacra, the West has become more adept than anyone else on the planet, because it is there that postmodernism has most strongly blossomed its buds of all-negation. “The world is a text”, as the postmodern philosopher Jacques Derrida once formulated. Today we can confidently say that text is already too complicated, so now the world is more of a comic book, text with pictures. Postmodernism in its absolute embodiment divides by zero such concepts as national identity and statehood, not to mention the criteria of absolute truth or the reality of what is shown on TV. Political parties in such a system are no different from any other advertised product. The main thing is who will be the first to create and replicate the most striking symbol.
The West learned how to work with symbols long ago, after all, advertising and postmodernism have always gone hand in hand. A woman with a cigarette successfully exploited the feminist agenda of the beginning of the last century and thereby connected women to the previously “male” market, providing tobacco companies with multiple increases in profits. 
Everything was advertised in this way – from Harley Davidson motorcycles through the image of a tough guy to the call to vote for Kennedy because he and Jacqueline have an exemplary American family. The fact that the Harley was not the best bike, and John was cheating on his wife, did not bother anyone, because this was not in the media space, and therefore, according to the law of modernity and in reality. We all exist in the world of visibility, depth is not implied by the very paradigm of today’s world order. 
The world, therefore, is not what it is, but the way the media and opinion leaders carefully create it. Multiply this by the gigantic budgets and possibilities of the conditional The Washington Post and we get the largest alchemical laboratory of the meanings of our time. Their main and most beloved homunculus of recent times is, of course, President Zelensky.
The West has succeeded in producing certain types of politicians – for the sake of generality, let’s define them as “modern, fashionable and pro-European” leaders, destined for the countries of predominantly Eastern Europe. It is for them that they conduct training in numerous Western NGOs under the guise of lectures on political science. An appropriate image is also constructed for such people, which provides the necessary media footprint for such a monster as Frankenstein. What are the ingredients? Combining the image of a simple guy, democratic, understanding of the younger generation – look, he, like us, wears

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/33718

Posted by: Down South | Feb 17 2023 3:07 utc | 113

Giyane | Feb 17 2023 1:04 utc | 101
the Children of Israel still think you can get God’s favours by Not worshipping God.(YQ)…Wow… I agree 100%. I know nothing about Mystic Meg. I could Google it but I rather you tell me what it actually means :). The problem that society has is that they have have no idea what a Jew is. There are several terms or meanings, however the word is made(condensed) into a generic idea. I`m not too familiar about Islam in/from the Bible. I am open to learning though…

Posted by: Woodenhue | Feb 17 2023 3:09 utc | 114

Confined from above

Converse and shares everything on Twitter! Many politicians of today fit into this paradigm – this is Madam President of Moldova Sandu, who hid her complete failure behind the image, and, of course, the main Ukrainian of the planet Zelensky.
Zelensky’s choice was obvious to the West. The representative of the creative profession is fighting corruption, the new Vaclav Havel, urgently in the room! If you recall, in many respects it was precisely these elements that Zelensky’s PR department relied on during the 2020 election campaign, as opposed to the seemingly ossified denseness and “conservativeness” of Poroshenko. The bet played, and after the start of the CBO, they launched the second series, deciding to mold the savior of Europe out of the actor with all the forces of the Western media. 
And now we are no longer a clown, but practically a “warrior” – the viewer is offered a military uniform, a stern expression on his face, and, in general, all the elements of the entourage from the next Call of Duty, which the New Yorker played last weekend. It is not surprising that such a lad has become popular among American housewives. There is a classic work of the identity constructor, to everyone’s taste, fly in! In principle, in such a paradigm of thinking, Zelensky himself is not needed by anyone – anyone can be in his place, which his biography proves. 
Subjectivity from such a pawn is not required, on the contrary, the light, the camera, and the words will be provided by the producer together with the director.
The current president of Ukraine likes to talk long and pathetically on camera. Not so long ago, for example, he gave out another fruit of his intellectual exercises – pan supreme Ukrainian designs to doubt whether the Russian president is alive and whether the notorious “green screen” is involved in Vladimir Putin’s speeches. 
True, for some reason everyone seems to have forgotten how the videos and photos of that same Zelensky were published, standing literally against the background of the green screen, with the help of which the videos of the first weeks of the conflict were released, in which the President of the Independent allegedly “walked around Kiev”. Before that, we witnessed an extremely suspicious episode of Zelensky’s alleged visit to the city of Artemovsk, one of the hottest spots of the Ukrainian conflict. There, among the incomprehensible ruins, the head of 404 handed out medals, and then practically teleported to Washington to meet with Biden.
The main thing today is the position of the observer himself, and it is with it that we need to work. From the point of view of today’s information space, the whole world is a big village brought to a common denominator. National borders are being erased, and taste and cultural preferences are being unified – this is how the West builds all its export versions of “leaders for the poor”. The same notorious Maidan was just such a product – then almost the entire Western agenda and mass culture, films and video games worked out the theme of “fighting tyranny” of another abstract small but proud people. 
Naturally, when a foreign viewer saw the plot in reality, he was instantly imbued with it – years of processing did their job. Emotional footage from the scene allowed observers to become direct participants in the action without getting up from the couch, to which none of them had and could not have any relation at all. The layman, stuck in his consumerist ersatz life, was offered a performance of the struggle for ersatz freedom, which, after all, was a surprise, held under the banner of the same plastic world. In the performance, according to the precepts of Guy Debord, a lot of people were involved, watching what was happening, like a TV show. 
Bad guys, by the way, were also instantly found – Russians from Donbass and Russia as such. You remember where we started – Luke Skywalker, the evil stormtroopers of the Empire… who watched what was happening, like a TV show. Bad guys, by the way, were also instantly found – Russians from Donbass and Russia as such. 
You remember where we started – Luke Skywalker, the evil stormtroopers of the Empire… who watched what was happening, like a TV show. Bad guys, by the way, were also instantly found – Russians from Donbass and Russia as such. You remember where we started – Luke Skywalker, the evil stormtrooper of the Empire…
Among all this variety of plastics, Russia has a unique chance to show things as they are, cleared of postmodern husks. Today there is an opportunity to send hateful images of mass culture to the landfill. The main question, however, is still relevant – what, and most importantly how, to offer in return? And this is what should be thought about very thoroughly because the one who today produces and controls images holds the course of history itself in his hands. Fortunately, Russia has a lot of new bright heroes and historical legends, and the rest is a matter of presentation.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/33720

Posted by: Down South | Feb 17 2023 3:11 utc | 115

might be worth seeding the skies with balloons of all dimensions, since that’s where the media appears to be focused – balloons with a picture of seymour hersch to force the conversation – and maybe local dispatches of balloons to convey facts that otherwise get no coverage – a different take on pamphleteering in wartime…

Posted by: b real | Feb 17 2023 3:16 utc | 116

Summons were handed out in Lviv during the burial of a militant of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
The Lvov TCC (military registration and enlistment office) raised the eyebrows up of our entire editorial staff today. “Grave-diggers” decided to attend the funeral of one of the militants of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, where all the men were given subpoenas, and several people were taken straight from the funeral to the location of one of the units!
I just want to rephrase the old joke: an employee of the TCC comes to the funeral, issues summons and asks: “When are you ?!”

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/33756

Posted by: Down South | Feb 17 2023 3:17 utc | 117

Imagine the Oh Shit going on in Western Militaries knowing they would be out of ammo in a couple months at best – while Russia is increasing its stockpiles from factory production more and more with each passing week.
They laughed at President Trump when he told them to get their NATO dues paid. They ain’t laughing now!

Posted by: LGB! | Feb 17 2023 3:18 utc | 118

Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 16 2023 23:49 utc | 91
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Thank you for that deeply perceptive insight into the NATO “protection” racket, the world’s most brutal organized crime syndicate … ever. Such a tangled web makes the mafia look like a family charity and Niccolò Machiavelli a professor of ethics.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Feb 17 2023 3:40 utc | 119

# 114 a culture can be measured by it’s “artistic “ manifestations. Painting. Music, movies,writing, etc, etc . Take a look at western artistic endeavors. I find no inspirational no pleasure, Only simplicity and debasement of the human spirit.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 17 2023 4:22 utc | 120

LGB! @119–
Ammo shortage has nothing to do with NATO dues but everything to do with Neoliberal deindustrialization. I suggest you wake up!

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 17 2023 4:35 utc | 121

The world was at peace when 45 was at the helm. China wasn’t sending spy balloons and we had an actual border. Now in just 2 years, everything’s gone to hell.

Posted by: LGB! | Feb 17 2023 4:37 utc | 122

Best economy ever, not just for America, but damn near the whole world. Until he was robbed by the Dems with plenty of help from their buddy China. He’ll be back in 24 though, without a doubt. So if we can please just hold off on nuking each other until then?!?!

Posted by: LGB! | Feb 17 2023 4:42 utc | 123

@ Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 16 2023 23:49 utc | 91
Nato sells itself as necessary for future protection. The end goal, however, is always to subjugate member countries to the MIC and financialization pushed by Wall Street and The City. A money siphon, IOW. A secondary ‘benefit’ is that of control. Wherever Nato extends its tentacles, it allows the mafia running the racket (aka western private capital/finance embodied by the US, UK and in some cases in Africa, France) to control trade, and especially trade in energy. . . .
There was hope at the end of WWII that wars could be avoided. So an international “United Nations” was formed, with a charter, a security council and a general assembly. The US had just acquired the mantle of world leadership and empire from the UK. How could world control be exercised despite the UN?
First came the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, also called the North Atlantic Alliance, is an intergovernmental military alliance between 30 member states – 28 European and two North American. That avoids UN military control of nations.
Then around 1970 came the European Union, a geo-political entity covering a large portion of the European continent which also avoids UN control while removing sovereignty from European countries.
Earlier came the “Atlantic Council of United States,” an American think tank in the field of international affairs, favoring Atlanticism, founded in 1961. It manages sixteen regional centers and functional programs related to international security and global economic prosperity. The Atlantic Council proves substance to the other two organizations, military and civil.
These organizations aid and abet the US proclivity for endless war without worry of international control.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 17 2023 4:42 utc | 124

Doug Hillman @120 and others interested–
Do you have a copy of Hudson’s Destiny of Civilization? If so, go to pages 210-211 and read the passage about what he calls the “Houston Report.” IMO, it seems very much like the Neoliberal version of the Nazi’s Plan Ost for the premeditated destruction of the Soviet/Russian economy that led to the deaths of over 20 Million people. I found the report online but have yet to read it having just discovered all that today while finishing the book. I wrote a note to Dr. Hudson at his Patreon site asking his opinion on that matter beyond what he wrote, which was severe enough.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 17 2023 4:43 utc | 125

Don Bacon @125–
Before NATO there was the IMF and World Bank as Hudson documents that sealed Outlaw US Empire hegemony, first as creditor then as debtor. I strenuously suggest reading chapters 10-11 of Hudson’s Destiny of Civilization. It appears the UN was just for show as the real power was in controlling the institutions of global finance for as we know the UN Charter was broken immediately by the USA making it the Outlaw it is today.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 17 2023 4:51 utc | 126

CNN
Ukraine is burning through ammunition faster than the US and NATO can produce it.

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said on Monday that the “current rate of Ukraine’s ammunition expenditure is many times higher than our current rate of production,” which is putting “our defense industries under strain.”
Much of that strain is being shouldered by American defense contractors. But even as the US embarks on an historic effort to re-arm, there are questions about whether it’ll be enough. As Ukraine prepares for a much-anticipated spring offensive in the coming weeks, the US is still years away from reaching its expected level of increased weapons production.
“The war hinges heavily on defense industrial production, and these are critical investments that the US and ultimately Ukraine will benefit from, but the question is, were they made too late to affect what could be the decisive phases of the conflict this year,” said Michael Kofman, director of Russia Studies at the Center for Naval Analyses, a national security research non-profit.
“For Ukraine, the challenges are more immediate and medium term, while much of the added US production capacity appears to be two years in the future,” said Kofman.
Indeed, according to Bush, it will take anywhere from 12 to 18 months for the US to reach its “max” production rate of 70,00 artillery shells a month. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 17 2023 5:26 utc | 127

@ karlof1 | Feb 17 2023 2:01 utc | 106
thanks for saying all that.. @ 128 post -> i highly recommend people read hudsons book… it articulates with great clarity..

Posted by: james | Feb 17 2023 5:31 utc | 128

Dingo @121
As for the arts, do please bear in mind that the “scene” is dominated by New York galleries, exhibitions and museums. Artists such as Norman Rockwell and Thomas Hart Benton, whose work depicts a grouping which I would consider “real Americans”, the rural and small-town folk who represent the values and lives of the “Heartland”.
Try to imagine the reception that Grandma Moses would receive by the ersatz sophisticates and academicists who dominate the field of artistic criticism.
On the positive side, there are developments in rural America, such as Diamond Willow sculpture, where instead of imposing the artist’s will upon a piece of wood in order to make it look familiar to the viewer; the artist evokes the mimetic messaging of the wood itself. By drawing on the spirit of the natural world, the manmade destruction of that sense-surround reality is called into question and is confronted with the cultural devolution which inevitably ensures from a dominant urban overlay.
When humans devolve deeper and deeper into a deracination from the multidimensional interplay of the holicity of the natural world, artistic expression can but mirror the collapse of a grounded and emotionally and intellectually human interface with all that is…contemporary artistic expression as accepted and approved by the critics is little more than human hubris.

Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 17 2023 5:40 utc | 129

On 130 oops: Slip of the finger changed “ensues” into “ensures”, greatly changing the meaning of the paragraph.

Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 17 2023 5:43 utc | 130

Down South @118
Thanks for linking the bar with that perfect example of bitter irony, where the most extreme amongst the Banderite fanatics are hoisted on their own petards. “Begone, Bastards, to the front with you”.

Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 17 2023 5:48 utc | 131

james @129–
Thanks for the thanks you give; I do appreciate it even if I don’t reply to them always!!

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 17 2023 5:49 utc | 132

b real @117
A sidebar to the balloons would be a phenomenon rarely seen these days where a slow but highly maneuverable biplane would message all below with “skywriting” smoke. Add some kites with mirrored surfaces and there would be a very nice and apropos hit on the political and mass media types…a matter of smoke and mirrors.
To emphasize current reality which the PTB would rather sweep under the rug, the messages could remind people of that horrific plume of potential chemical megadeath resultant from that derailment in East Palestine, Ohio. An attack of Palestine, eh? I’m wondering who thought that one up.

Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 17 2023 5:55 utc | 133

no need to apply karlof1, but thank you regardless.. i mostly believe people do need encouragement and to know others fo read and appreciate their contributions here at moa.. cheers..

Posted by: james | Feb 17 2023 5:58 utc | 134

These organizations aid and abet the US proclivity for endless war without worry of international control.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 17 2023 4:42 utc | 125
Could you clarify there insofar as whether you’re agreeing or disagreeing with me?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 17 2023 6:10 utc | 135

@ Likklemore 108
So now we know why Lysias yesterday told us that Nuland comes across as “””” intelligent “”””. She is very comfortably brainwashed as well as being very comfortably suoer-rich. She is 100% fluent in neocon group think.
I am having some dealings with a rather low grade , privatised part of the British State, which issues Technical Competence licences to registered electricians, and I have a strong feeling that my politics is going to get me sidelined.
We are at the brink of a Nazi purge here in Britain, where it will soon get you hospitalised and brainwashed to disagree with the anti- Putin narrative.
I have 22 years of Electrical Test Certificates in six fat office ring folders, but apparently I don’t know my job. Nazism is about to unmask in Sunak’s Stazi Party. Maybe in Germany where b. Writes this blog from such blatant Nazi thought control cannot be enforced, but here in Britain, supporting Putin in public is very soon going to get your brain closed.

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 17 2023 6:12 utc | 136

Down South @116
Thank you for linking and posting a profoundly insightful line from Slavangard: “…the one who produces and controls images holds the course of history itself in his hands”.
We of the Resistance have a duty to present new images, not merely words, but word-pictures which can powerfully persuade the subconscious minds for the many who are seeking passage beyond the McLuhan Barrier…that space where we are mentally dominated by mere abstractions.

Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 17 2023 6:13 utc | 137

Would the Wagner ‘need ammo’ claim be another joke.

Posted by: Inki | Feb 17 2023 6:28 utc | 138

# 137 use common sense, and keep your opinions to yourself.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 17 2023 6:32 utc | 139

Another shark jump for you to enjoy, this time from the UK Telegraph “Russia no longer has the economic means to wage offensive warfare”
https://archive.ph/0730r

Posted by: The Accountant | Feb 17 2023 6:33 utc | 140

Thank you, b, and commenters who have been following all of this SMO since it began,and before — your reminders are important, as are the daily events you also cover. I notice many more newer voices also and that is a good thing, even if it makes it harder to keep up. I’m very grateful to you all.

Posted by: juliania | Feb 17 2023 6:33 utc | 141

“This is in international politics an entirely legitimate goal, and the request by the RF and PRC governments for reciprocal respect and “indivisible security” seems to me wishful thinking. The USA principle is “Winners do whatever it takes”.
This does not mean that the USA is “agreement incapable”: the USA will respect agreements in which it makes a profit, and will forget them the moment they stop making it.”

by: Blissex | Feb 16 2023 18:17 utc | 14
And there lies the problem. When laws are broken by those who have power then they are not laws (for all ) but simply commands to the little people. Why have laws if too many people break them or change them once they are powerful enough to do it?
Your tone is on point , but i’d add the Americans say “winners do whatever it takes” but the open secret is that they mean “winners do whatever they want” . Well I say what is good for the goose is good for the gander”, so I won’t cry when the shoe is on the other foot and destruction and desperation visit US shores one day. Maybe Average Joes should smarten up and stop thanking their marines for their service ,because US-ian widows and orphans are not any more special than those in the RoW you know…

Posted by: Brother Ma | Feb 17 2023 6:37 utc | 142

I wish Stephen Cohen was still alive.

Posted by: Irish | Feb 17 2023 6:38 utc | 143

@Down South 114
thx for pointing out. I have tried earlier to remind of the significance of this, even though I more mundanely called it just “entertainment”.
However if you look into the propagandistic qualitites of the medium, it is not least Russian works like Eisenstein´s “Aleksandr Nevskiy” that come to mind including his very impressive popular score by Prokofiev. Both very effective propaganda pieces and produced as such in the first place. Eisenstein´s and his Soviet peers´s work earlier was also informative to the Western style propaganda visual system we know now, even though less obviously so.
Similar could be said about Shostakovich and his harmonies studied Hollywood composers know by heart and apply accordingly. Just listen to rolling sound scapes by John Williams, James Horner and Co. Or Stravinsky even though not in Russia back then, think the today overly popular “Sacre du Printemps” for that matter (e.g. compare Star Wars score “The Sand People”, since you mention Skywalker.)
So the world of art betrays national borders and bans as we of course know.
Russian film industry apparently is thriving right now in its own right even without the Hollywood plate of usual products. The tools you described are put to use everywhere and by everyone.
One more thing: Don´t forget, Zelenskyi originally an actor, trained along Russian traditions which form also the groundwork for all the American film actors known and unknown alike – (Or as Andrey Konchalovskiy once boasted “Russian actors are the best in the world”, you can agree or not with such rhetoric) – is ravished by other actors.
Naturally so – and unlike Ronald Reagan, Zelenskyi – see “Russian tradition” – is actually at least a more decent actor than the entirely unimpressive Reagan – at least more aware and more in control of his means as an actor – and now from Hollywood´s celebrities´ POV he is not just acting in a fiction he is, by all means, acting in the real world acting in a “real film”! (costing the lives of Hundreds of Thousands of people – but what could be more “film” than this – look at one of those unfortunate minds making their pilgrimage to Z, like Ben Stiller and his “Tropic Thunder”. To Stiller it must have felt like an overly real deja-vu of what he had just made up as film 10 years earlier).
So eventually Hamill too, (whose career was not too kind to him) behaves like a kid meeting his (second-rate) hero. Would Penelope Cruz, Javier Bardem, Alec Baldwin (well you see what happens…) do such a foolish thing? no.
So, long story short, it´s complex.
After all, they are just actors. Many directors have brought most unflattering views on this profession over the past 120 years I rather not quote here.
(forgive my excursion)

Posted by: AG | Feb 17 2023 6:45 utc | 144

Posted by: The Accountant | Feb 17 2023 6:33 utc | 141
It’s all funny how they all suddenly come out at the near-anniversary of SMO and claim that Russia has now lost… because reasons? Ok, lets agree then that Russia lost. “Now go away”.

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 17 2023 6:58 utc | 145

Best quote (I’m being genuine) that i heard today from someone somewhere:
“if you have a verbal commitment to democracy, then you gotta really big problem justifying capitalism.”
It got them kicked off Twitter.
it’s ironic that the commitment to “democracy” by supporting Ukraine with weaponry et. al. to fight Russia is answering to capitalism and feeding it, gobs and gobs of sweet things, in the form of massive amounts of military spending. Whatever else it is, it’s a huge money laundering operation, but in the other direction of turning money dirty.

Posted by: Irish | Feb 17 2023 7:12 utc | 146

Seems the split is real. Some in the Russian MOD must be highly annoyed at Prigozhin’s pompous grand standing

Our source reports that the Office of the President hopes that the split between PMC Wagner (Prigozhin) and the Russian Defense Ministry will help keep Bakhmut under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. A conditional victory for the “fortress Bakhmut” message and a hardware victory for Syrsky
There are even thoughts that PMCs will withdraw, as they have a shortage of ammunition. This case of struggle will bring discord in the Russian army and may partially weaken their morale, and for the Armed Forces of Ukraine this will be a positive impetus and a signal for a counteroffensive.
We are watching.

https://t.me/legitimniy/14799

Posted by: Down South | Feb 17 2023 7:15 utc | 147

3 month Treasury now paying 4.8% (annualized)
Hmmm
Illuminating interview with John Paulson ( establishment hedge fund manager and oligarch ) regarding de-dollarization
https://schiffgold.com/key-gold-news/billionaire-john-paulson-you-need-gold-not-dollars/

Posted by: Exile | Feb 17 2023 7:19 utc | 148

🇪🇸
El jefe de la PMC de Wagner, Yevhen Prigozhin, ha declarado que un grupo de mercenarios extranjeros, entre los que también se encontraba el estadounidense Peter Reid, fue liquidado por los militares ucranianos.
“Peter Reid fue asesinado en la intersección de la calle Field y el primer carril Pushkinsky. Si ponemos este punto en el mapa, podemos ver que las posiciones de la PMC de Wagner estaban al menos a 5 km de distancia y que hay construcciones de gran altura en todos los lados (mapa adjunto).
Por lo tanto, cualquier experto militar confirmará que era casi imposible detectar este punto y atacar desde nuestras posiciones.
Puedo decir con certeza que Peter Reed fue asesinado por un infiltrado. Y el informe sobre este asesinato fue preparado por el estonio Lajdinen.
Por lo tanto, las acusaciones contra el PMC de Wagner no tienen ninguna corroboración”, dijo Prigozhin a la CNN cuando se le preguntó.
🇬🇧
The head of the Wagner PMC, Yevhen Prigozhin, has said that a group of foreign mercenaries, which also included American Peter Reid, was liquidated by the Ukrainian military.
“Peter Reid was killed at the intersection of Field Street and 1st Pushkinsky Lane. If we put this point on the map, we can see that there was at least 5 km to the Wagner PMC positions and there is high-rise construction on all sides (map attached).
Therefore, any military expert will confirm that it was almost impossible to detect this point and to strike from our positions.
I can say with certainty that Peter Reed was killed by an insider. And the report on this murder was prepared by Estonian Lajdinen.
Therefore, the allegations against the Wagner PMC have no corroboration,” Prigozhin told CNN when asked.

https://t.me/sitreports/4648

Posted by: Down South | Feb 17 2023 7:19 utc | 149

# 149 I’m glad you put annualized. It’s still good I’m getting mail solicitations 4.6% on 11 month cd. To the moon!!!

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 17 2023 7:33 utc | 150

Giyane @ 137
I can confirm what you say to be all true, and if anything an under estimation.
Whatch out for your doctor,their all torys and they get to say who lives and who dies, and fully profit orientated.
My tip is dont be silent just tone down to the low level of brain washed interlect around us and chip away at the lies. I tend to approach the waste of money that could be spent at home in the UK.
It just plants a seed.
Also I tell people i like to hear both sides of a conflict.
And ask do they feel they are being lied to.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 17 2023 7:34 utc | 151

The Usukis Nazi program of war towards the Pacific direction, is built on the success that Usukis has had using very far right wing Idlsmist proxies in the Middle East and Africa. In effect what will happen after the ZioNazisation of Europe is that the Islamists will be used as jihadisrs to attack the Muslim countries in the Russian Federation.
It us a comprehensive plan, using very right wing Islamist politics, enforced by law on Liberal Muslims to fight for FUKUSIS towards the Pacific.
This is a more comprehensive and megalomaniac plan for Nazi military global conquest than Hitler’s plan. From now, the West will operate Islam as an arm of Daesh, rather than Daesh operating as an arm of the CIA.
Yes they’re even more mad than the mad mullahs of Daesh alias Shimon Elliott BugBaby Jew.

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 17 2023 7:43 utc | 152

“Removal of foreign NATO forces from east Europe.
Legally binding guarantee that no strike systems which could target Moscow will be deployed in countries near to Russia.
No NATO or equivalent (UK, U.S., Pl.) ‘exercises’ near Russian borders.
NATO ships, planes to keep certain distances from Russian borders.”
Based on the above list of demands given by Russia, the first is a few years too late as the Baltic countries along Russia’s borders are NATO members and there will be no removal of these states from NATO and Russia will not dictate military movements inside NATO states as Russia claimed NATO cannot dictate military movements inside Russia just before the conflict began. Fair is fair.
The second is not going to happen because NATO countries in the Baltics and as far away as Warsaw, Poland can have whatever weapon systems they can buy or create to protect themselves from Russia just as Russia has weapon systems that can strike globally. Tomahawks can travel roughly twice the distance from Warsaw to Moscow and Russia doesn’t get to dictate what military systems those nations can have for offense and defense just as they eould claim NATO has no business dictating if Russia can have long-range hypersonic missiles. Fair is fair.
The third is vague and again depending on interpretation too late. The Baltic states and Poland can hold military exercises within their own borders with whomever they choose just as Russia did with Belarus. Fair is fair.
The fourth is already a part of international law and redundant.
Russia’s failure to deal with these issues earlier and turning a blind eye to NATO expansion for decades until now is too little too late whether the expansion was right or wrong, good or bad.

Posted by: Prometheus Defiant | Feb 17 2023 7:59 utc | 153

I too wanted to extend me thanks to B for writing up these diaries in the build-up to war. Very educational and useful for historical documentation!

Posted by: Sam | Feb 17 2023 8:00 utc | 154

OT

🇺🇸✈️💥🎈One of the flying objects shot down in the USA could be a balloon worth from $12 to $180, which was launched by amateurs, Aviation Week writes
“>https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/aircraft-propulsion/hobby-clubs-missing-balloon-feared-shot-down-usaf

https://t.me/azmilitary11/37952
Russian TG is having a real laugh at this

Posted by: Down South | Feb 17 2023 8:05 utc | 155

🇺🇦 Active mobilization continues in Ukraine, but this time something went wrong… The military commissars arrived in the village, but an obstacle awaited them: their wives and mothers stopped their activities.

https://t.me/intelslava/44645
Same video on Twitter
https://twitter.com/VSlajd/status/1626492590114672640

Posted by: Down South | Feb 17 2023 8:11 utc | 156

Some in the Russian MOD must be highly annoyed at Prigozhin’s pompous grand standing
Posted by: Down South | Feb 17 2023 7:15 utc | 148
Why wouldn’t he? the only action at this moment comes from Wagner, also attracting a large part of Ukr army while Gerasimov still can’t move forwards, even has embarrassing events like in Ugledar. Team Shoigu is also responsible for the Engels airport, biggest failure since that guy landed in Red Square. Militias also suffer form lack of equipment, use donations for commercial drones and cars. We’ll have to wait and see but the general staff looks a lot more dubious than last year. Or even better, let’s see when Gerasimov’s medieval tactics liberate the new Russian territory and at what cost in lives, both civilian and soldiers.

Posted by: rk | Feb 17 2023 8:24 utc | 157

Ukraine, but this time something went wrong… The military commissars arrived in the village, but an obstacle awaited them: their wives and mothers stopped their activities.
These gals remembered their education;
And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.
Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn

Posted by: Exile | Feb 17 2023 8:31 utc | 158

A new business is emerging:
http://avia.pro/news/ukraincy-prodayut-informaciyu-o-raspolozhenii-natovskoy-voennoy-tehniki
“Украинцы начали открыто продавать координаты расположения НАТОвской военной техники.”

Posted by: Catilina | Feb 17 2023 9:06 utc | 159

http://avia.pro/news/iz-za-zayavleniya-chvk-vagner-o-nehvatke-snaryadov-vsu-gotovyat-kontrataku-v-bahmute
A Praetorian Guard can be dangerous. I wonder also what kind of contract they have regarding expenses. Prigozhin is undoubtedly getting rich.

Posted by: Catilina | Feb 17 2023 9:14 utc | 160

Another shark jump for you to enjoy, this time from the UK Telegraph “Russia no longer has the economic means to wage offensive warfare”
https://archive.ph/0730r
Posted by: The Accountant | Feb 17 2023 6:33 utc | 141
Well they’re alleged to have run out of everything else sometime last year.

Posted by: jpc | Feb 17 2023 9:17 utc | 161

162:
The attitude and aspirations of that midget monarchy are totally beyond my understanding. They have been at this for decades now if not for centuries. They have collapsed themselves and lost all their ancient relevance, and still they keep barking this. Why is that so?

Posted by: Catilina | Feb 17 2023 9:26 utc | 162

@Down South 157
or anyone
wow.
wifes blocking the guys.
And then how does it end?
leaving without conscripts then?

Posted by: AG | Feb 17 2023 9:50 utc | 163

As @james said at 129 & 135, I and am sure many others who frequent this bar, greatly value @karlof1, b’s, bevin’s, juliana’s and others who’s omission I apologise for, contributions. Thank you too james for frequently thanking posters. Your input is also highly valued.

Posted by: Vragtes | Feb 17 2023 10:07 utc | 164

Active mobilization continues in Ukraine, but this time something went wrong…
Posted by: Down South | Feb 17 2023 8:11 utc | 157
Posted by: Exile | Feb 17 2023 8:31 utc | 159
Solzhenitsyn, yes. But also a touch of Kipling…

She is wedded to convictions –
in default of grosser ties;
Her contentions are her children,
Heaven help him who denies! –
He will meet no suave discussion,
but the instant, white-hot, wild,
Wakened female of the species warring
as for spouse and child.

Posted by: JuliaHin1984 | Feb 17 2023 10:12 utc | 165

Posted by: OttoE | Feb 16 2023 20:58 utc | 60
I completely agree with your thesis of how valuable Wagner are becoming / have already become. They are not a complete national army with all its departments and functions but they are the best of an army that does the face-to-face fighting.
An absolutely 100% combat ready force with meritocratic promotion, deniable casualties and flexible legal status. Even the best of the regular army, who ought to be able to match Wagner in combat readiness, can’t match the whole package. Wagner can take on the most dangerous missions, suffer the least casualties for a given risk and still hide the casualties they do suffer.
It is a simple statement of fact that pushing regular troops and less able commanders into the same breach will give NATO planners the opportunity to inflict politically damaging casualties on RF forces.

Posted by: anon2020 | Feb 17 2023 10:21 utc | 166

Anyone read “Die Welt” today ? Looks like a full “Rueckzieher” or “reverse-ferret” operation – especially Clemens Wergin one of the resident “Kriegshetzter” who now finds we can all live together with Russia happily ever after……….other items writing off Ukraine as a loser……..
It is as if that Great Sage Millie, TV General of US Political Scene (“I call China to warn them of Trump” but “Russia I ignore when Biden threatens them”) with his tactical retreat is on-message…….
One wit says this war will go on for years ….”Oh no it can’t” pipes up Annalena the Deficient……..seemingly calculations are awry……….
Bit like Sorcerer’s Apprentice having bewitched the brooms he cannot stop them performing

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 17 2023 10:38 utc | 167

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 17 2023 4:43 utc | 126
I do have Hudson’s Destiny of Civilization, bought on your recommendation last summer.* I’ll check it out shortly. Curious to read your comment to El Doctor.
—-
*Haven’t gotten that far yet. Not that it’s hard reading, just dense —me and the content. I can barely keep up with my rich education here at MoA.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Feb 17 2023 10:51 utc | 168

Anyone read “Die Welt” today ?
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 17 2023 10:38 utc | 168

Stornieren nach “BELIEBTESTE” ==> https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article243793501/Annalena-Baerbock-Dieser-Krieg-darf-niemals-zur-Normalitaet-werden.html#Comments

Posted by: too scents | Feb 17 2023 11:34 utc | 169

Don Bacon | Feb 17 2023 5:26 utc | 128
Thanks for that. It seems reality is beginning to penetrate the brain fog of some of the less kool-aid-inebriated. I do hope more of the suicide-cult flock begin to sober up before the Satanist charlatans end humanity — their ultimate goal IMO.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Feb 17 2023 11:48 utc | 170

It just struck me: Whoever assisted the US in sabotaging NS1/2 now has potential information leverage over the US. If I were an enterprising intelligence agency of some minor baltic state I’d get to work writing a threatening letter to Victoria Nuland, unless …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 17 2023 12:16 utc | 171

Meanwhile, Wagner reports systematic sabotage of its operations by the Russian MoD, which has restricted its recruitment and is now actively withholding access to arms and ammunition. In response Prigozhin asked Apti Alaudinov for aid, and the Chechens are sending what they can.
As a direct consequence of this sabotage, a Ukranazi counterattack west of Artëmovsk has apparently recaptured multiple positions.
I’m sure that lump of sewage slime Martyanov and his acolytes, according to whom the Russian government can make no mistakes, will have an explanation for this? Something not involving calling me a troll?

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 17 2023 12:36 utc | 172

“the Ukraine” again.
It’s called Ukraine. Why is that so hard, b?
Americans who wanted to sound advanced added “the” to various countries in the past, completely unnecessarily: “the Albania,” “the Brazil,” “the Congo,” “the Ukraine.” People dropped this in time, as there was no reason to keep up the pretentiousness. Get with the program.

Posted by: Tenet | Feb 17 2023 12:42 utc | 173

LOL This propaganda attempt by Giyane above is hilarious:

We know the US neocons are deranged, same as the hippo. We know they cope with their sordid imprisoned lives by hating socialists.

Nice try, little baby. The neocons all supported Hillary against Trump. Their war against CONSERVATIVE Russia is supported by every socialist party in Europe. And by the socialist “Democrats” in the U.S. The only opposition is among conservatives.
The neocons support every socialist policy. What Americans ignorant of politics call “liberalism,” a word the U.S. Left hijacked after WWII. The Left is by definition socialist, which claims that all individuals and groups, men and women and races, are equal, so that any difference in performance is due to oppression, and this justifies theft through government. The neocons all support mass immigration to give socialist parties permanent election victories. They only allow nationalism for their hive, Israel. They support feminism and the push for homosexuality, while attacking “racist Whites”.
But please, go on lying, little Giyane. That’s what socialists always do.

Posted by: Tenet | Feb 17 2023 12:49 utc | 174

Trust western media to spin the forced mobilisations:

Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Danilov insists that the distribution of summons makes it possible to register conscripts and form a reserve — BBC
Danilov also commented on the information that in recent weeks summonses have been distributed en masse in Ukraine, obliging men to appear at recruitment centers and be registered or to update their personal data.
The employees of the military commissariats, with whom BBC News Ukraine spoke, claim that there is a planned mobilization, and the intensification of the distribution of summonses is connected with the formation of a reserve.
At the same time, some people were soon mobilized after this information update and registration. Complaints were also received that summonses are distributed en masse in unexpected places, for example, on public transport systems like buses in the middle of the city. 
Danilov insists that the distribution of summons makes it possible to register conscripts and form a reserve. He also noted that the mobilization in Ukraine has not stopped since the start of the full-scale attack by Russia on February 24, 2022.
“To understand that, in case of need, the state can count on them.” Do they all have to go to the front? No. “Those who are prepared will go to the front; those who will be equipped and trained will go to the front,” he said. 
“>https://www.bbc.com/ukrainian/news-64635206

Posted by: Down South | Feb 17 2023 12:50 utc | 175

@ The Tenet why is it every time I see you in the comments I immediately hear clown music and feel sardined into a car with a bunch sweaty men with big red noses. Asking for the adults at the bar.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Feb 17 2023 12:57 utc | 176

Posted by: AG | Feb 17 2023 9:50 utc | 164
Seems the women were successful

Colleagues, all our deputies and the Office of the President, together with Zelensky, know that mobilization is going through lawlessness and against the law. But their task now is to close the “holes” in the manpower that they suffered in the Bakhmut meat grinder (someone is simply trying to save their mistake by throwing in even more soldiers).
Ukrainians need to understand one thing: if they turn a blind eye to the lawlessness of power, which is usually done under the pretext of good intentions, then the level of lawlessness will increase. This was best realized, as usual, in western Ukraine, where women began to come out in the villages, and the minivans with military commissars were simply driven out of the village.

https://t.me/legitimniy/14802

Posted by: Down South | Feb 17 2023 12:59 utc | 177

On the MSM bs and, the alternative end games in the Nato Russia war.
https://dailyreckoning.com/the-horrifying-endgame-in-ukraine/

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 17 2023 13:00 utc | 178

Posted by: Tenet | Feb 17 2023 12:42 utc | 174
Americans who wanted ……
Says it all really !!!!
Those who called it “the Ukraine” in English must have known that the word meant “borderland”, says Anatoly Liberman, a professor at the University of Minnesota with a specialism in etymology. So they referred to it as “the borderland”.
Minnesota is in which country ?????
It was THE Ukrainian SSR
It was prior to Bolshevism simply Borderlands of Russian Empire…….there was no such thing as a state with capital……..

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 17 2023 13:00 utc | 179

Arch Bungle | Feb 17 2023 12:16 utc | 172
Retaliatory blackmail? That just wouldn’t be fair. Also dangerous. “Smithers! Release the jackals!”

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Feb 17 2023 13:04 utc | 180

@ Tenet
There’s a big difference between Socialism/Leftism and the sham that purports to represent it.
Identity Politics, Wokeness, « Equity » etc. are a DELIBERATELY FAKE SUBSTITUTE, whose purpose is to neutralize actual Socialism, so it can’t moderate Liberalism/Capitalism.

Posted by: Featherless | Feb 17 2023 13:05 utc | 181

I hope the Russian MOD isn’t really impeding Wagner, who seem to be doing good work.
If we impede Wagner, the terrorists win.

Posted by: Featherless | Feb 17 2023 13:07 utc | 182

Posted by: Featherless | Feb 17 2023 13:05 utc | 182
thank you, Biden admin just broke the Railroad strike, they aren’t leftists, far from it.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 17 2023 13:08 utc | 183

Posted by: Tenet | Feb 17 2023 12:49 utc | 175
You have no clue about what you are talking about if you think the Neocons and Democrats in the US or in Europe or the Anglosphere are socialist. All of them are neoliberal (market rules,let people starve) and us-captured. If you were smart enough to see that only the Conservatives support peace at present with regards to Russia ,you should have been smart enough to know the above. What you said above is easily explained by what I said as well. That tells me that it is very likely you are an ideologue of the Right who can’t see past his own biases. Grow up and read a book.
Named after Tenet(the CIA hack who got off easy whilst lying like Powell or a truth? Please don’t say you named yourself after a truth or the heavens will cry out in shame.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Feb 17 2023 13:08 utc | 184

Get with the program.
Tenet | Feb 17 2023 12:42 utc | 174
Oh, no! B’s entire article is now unraveled.
Yes, Tenet, please do get with the program:

In the English-speaking world during most of the 20th century, Ukraine (whether independent or not) was referred to as “the Ukraine”.[21] This is because the word ukraina means “borderland”[22] so the definite article would be natural in the English language; this is similar to “Nederlanden”, which means “low lands” and is rendered in English as “the Netherlands”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine#:~:text=The%20name%20of%20Ukraine%20likely,to%20as%20%22the%20Ukraine%22.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Feb 17 2023 13:15 utc | 185

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Feb 17 2023 13:04 utc | 181

Retaliatory blackmail? That just wouldn’t be fair. Also dangerous. “Smithers! Release the jackals!”

Not retaliatory, opportunistic – since it’s the US’ own allies prospectively doing the blackmailing …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 17 2023 13:16 utc | 186

Posted by: Tenet | Feb 17 2023 12:42 utc | 174
” the Albanias” ??? Now I have categorised you even more accurately. You are either full of shite (not very bright) or an Albanian Nationalist who loves the US,probably because it is your sugar-daddy.
0.00001 percent of any poster on the net or author of printed material or speaker has ever referred to Albania as ” the Albanias”, if at all. There are multiple Albanias, but noone ever used the plural for the Albania in the Balkans.
I will be watching for your posts.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Feb 17 2023 13:33 utc | 187

Posted by: Tenet | Feb 17 2023 12:49 utc | 175

Posted by: Brother Ma | Feb 17 2023 13:08 utc | 185
Effective rebuttal of Neocon “socialists”. It seems the trolls arrived late today, perhaps hoping that the bighorns had already crossed over the bridge.
“Named after [George “Slam-Dunk”] Tenet, the CIA hack who got off easy whilst lying like Powell…
Of course you realize you’re denigrating the winner of the Presidential Medal of Freedom, awarded by the liberator of Iraq, George W.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Feb 17 2023 13:38 utc | 188

Yes. I have egg on my face. I meant noone has ever said “the Albania” .My spellcheck changes things in realtime when I write posts, but that doesn’t excuse me double- checking again that my response actually is relates to what was said by the poster.
Apologies to Tenet,but not with regards to him being wrong about ” the Albania”. That has still not happened.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Feb 17 2023 13:46 utc | 189

i wonder if anybody ever called Tenet, the Tenet.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 17 2023 13:57 utc | 190

I have zero love for mercenaries. From either side.
Although at least Wagner are also defending their countrys security besides making cash for kilking.
Still. I could care less about Wagner and their wellbeing.
Russia should give 1000% more preference to their regular army and soldiers. No doubt.

Posted by: Comandante | Feb 17 2023 14:02 utc | 191

@Down South
Don’t be surprised if that village comes under “Russian artillery fire” in the next week or two.

Posted by: Fred777 | Feb 17 2023 14:07 utc | 192

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Feb 17 2023 13:38 utc | 189
Yes indeed,about as noteworthy as Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize? or whatever. Makes my stomach turn how all those vile,malificent chair-sitter minions of the powerful get awards,benefits and die in their beds of old age.
As a wise man once said, ” it’s remarkably sad that we have so few hangings of (useless,lying/evil,moneygrubbing) politicians”. Hahah

Posted by: Brother Ma | Feb 17 2023 14:21 utc | 193

Posted by: Down South | Feb 17 2023 7:15 utc | 148
Well. maybe, but withholding essential supplies from active combatants is treasonous. Firing squad material.
Mozart gets wound down on allegations that are business as usual in UA, and nothing compared to rumoured PMC misconduct in Afghanistan, days later Wagner is blocked from recruiting convict, a couple of days later their supplies are being restricted.
A side deal between US DoD and RF MoD to make it a contest of “professionals”?
Given Mozart were a bunch of dipshits and Wagner are a serious combat force, that’d be one hell of a turkey for RF MoD. Even if there’s no assclown deal, pushing Wagner out can only increase real and acknowledged RF casualties.

Posted by: anon2020 | Feb 17 2023 14:22 utc | 194

For those readers who would like to follow up the events referred to pages 2010-11 in Hudson, Chossudovsky in ‘The Globalisation of Poverty’ provides close detail of this period in Russian history, as does F William Engdahl in ‘Manifest Destiny’. Both accounts are chilling.

Posted by: Valerie Swales | Feb 17 2023 14:30 utc | 195

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 17 2023 6:12 utc | 137
Sorry to hear that Giyane. I hope you are able to weather that storm , and actually triumph as well.
I am sorry to say that the UK is now a third-rate entity ,whose only benefit to anyone is to the US ; and only because they are poor-relations who can make up the numbers come posse-time.
In such a nation ,having the right politics goes a long way.
Best of luck and my thoughts are with you.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Feb 17 2023 14:34 utc | 196

A Goldbug analyzing Russian finance statements on De-dollarization
https://www.goldmoney.com/research/gold-s-return-as-money

Posted by: Exile | Feb 17 2023 14:39 utc | 197

Makes my stomach turn how all those vile,malificent chair-sitter minions of the powerful get awards,benefits and die in their beds of old age.
Posted by: Brother Ma | Feb 17 2023 14:21 utc | 194
Agreed, but my wife noted that as Jesus suffered the intense, prolonged agony of crucifixion by his Talmudic torturer-killers, he said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.” Of course he was speaking to his true father, not the devil, Yaweh, of the Pharisees and High Priests.
She pointed out that these minions are possessed pawns, trapped in joyless lives as prisoners of their own delusional egos. Their wealth and power can never be enough. “What does it profit a [person] if [she/] he gains the whole world and loses his soul?”

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Feb 17 2023 14:46 utc | 198

Brother Ma | Feb 17 2023 14:21 utc | 194
Yes, referring to the coveted igNobel Prize. Obama shares that dubious distinction with Kissinger, and perhaps soon, Man of the Year, Zelensky.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Feb 17 2023 14:51 utc | 199

May I commend to all, this latest post from Media Lens which highlights the gross hypocrisy of our media and leaders.
https://www.medialens.org/2023/a-beautiful-outpouring-of-rage-the-observer-the-great-peace-march-and-nord-stream/

Posted by: Vragtes | Feb 17 2023 14:56 utc | 200