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February 13, 2023
The Buildup To War In Ukraine – Sunday, February 13, 2022

In early 2022 Ukraine had finished the preparations for an overwhelming attack on the renegade People Republics of Donetsk and Luhansk (DPR and LNR).

Half of the Ukrainian army, some 120,000 men recruited and trained during the last 7 years, were stationed near the ceasefire line and ready to go. On the opposing side only some 40,000 men were under arms. They would have little chance to withstand an onslaught.

Russia could not let a Ukrainian attack happen. If Ukraine could regain the renegade provinces it would have been able to join NATO. Russian public opinion was decisively on the side of the Russian speaking DNR and LPR. It would surely demand an intervention. Since the 2014 coup in Kiev some four million Ukrainians had already moved to Russia. There are lots of family ties between the two countries. In sight of this Russia had put some of its own forces on alert and had moved weapons and munition to assembling points near the Ukrainian border.

The U.S. had for months warned of an upcoming Russian attack on Ukraine. It could do that because it knew the Ukraine would attempt to regain the republics by force. It knew that Russia would have to respond. On January 12 2022 CIA director Bill Burns had secretly met Zelensky in Kiev. Burns often carries messages from President Joe Biden.

On Sunday February 13 2022, after a phone call with U.S. president Joe Biden, the Ukrainian president Zelensky gave the final order for the planned Ukrainian attack.

That the decision had been made was immediately leaked in London as well as in Kiev.

In its summary of the day the Guardian listed a lot of activities that were consistent with the imminent start of a conflict. Diplomats and foreign military were moving out of Ukraine. Weapons flew in.

Tipped off by its government the British insurance conglomerate Lloyd stopped reinsurance services for anything Ukraine:

Anatoliy Ivantsiv, head of Ukrainian insurance firm Expo, told Interfax that British reinsurance giant Lloyds announced it would temporarily cease all conflict risk insurance over Ukrainian airspace from Feb. 14.

When the news of the attack order leaked in Kiev, its 'elite' oligarchs and some parliament members were ready to leave. On February 13 and the following days they fled the country:

Ukraine’s richest men are fleeing the country with their families as the number of private jet charters jump after the possibility of war spiked in recent days, according to flight traffic information posted on social media on February 13.

Switzerland, Austria and the south of France were the most popular destinations for the charter flights.

Ukrainska Pravda stated that such an exodus on charter flights hasn’t been witnessed in six years of observations. The publication reported that planes belonging the country’s top oligarchs, including Rinat Akhmetov, Viktor Pinchuk, and Boris Kolesnikov, as having left the country. A private plane for 50 people was also ordered by Igor Abramovich, another top business figure.

bne IntelliNews sources confirm that two residential English tutors, both British citizens, working for an MP and a businessman respectively, will leave for the south of France this week. Neither confirmed that the flights had anything to do with increased fears over an invasion, as both families travel regularly with their staff for work holidays. Even last month, when the war drums began to beat more loudly for the first time, tutors and teachers working at private schools in Kyiv reported a large number of children absent, away on holidays.

Some members of the Ukrainian parliament were also bailing out. on February 14 Kiev Independent reported:

More than two dozen lawmakers out of a total 424 MPs, who are due to attend parliamentary sessions starting this week, are not currently in Ukraine. Almost half, or 12 deputies, are from the pro-Russian party Opposition Platform-for Life, five deputies are from the presidential Servant of the People party. Most of the lawmakers, or 20 people, left the country in February.

As part of the Minsk agreement the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) had a Special Observer Mission at the ceasefire line in east-Ukraine. Over the weekend of February 12 and 13 the front had been relatively quiet:

In Donetsk region, between the evenings of 11 and 13 February, the Mission recorded 261 ceasefire violations, including 50 explosions. In the previous reporting period, it recorded 114 ceasefire violations in the region.

In Luhansk region, between the evenings of 11 and 13 February, the SMM recorded 114 ceasefire violations, including 24 explosions. In the previous reporting period, it recorded 258 ceasefire violations in the region.

The observed numbers of explosion were less than the average of the last 7 and 30 day periods. Explosions occurred on both sides of the ceasefire line.


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2014-2019: #95
I would just add in this period 2016 CIA organised and supported Brexit, as an insurance the US would have an trusted ally in Europe should Germany start giving resistance. Now that immediate danger is gone and that Germany “behaved” most of the Brexit will be undone.

Posted by: Milos | Feb 13 2023 20:59 utc | 101

true, but you don’t want to burst people’s bubbles… and change.org needs the money for reselling peoples information as it is a private for profit corporation based in san francisco and that is how things work in the world of protests today…
Posted by: james | Feb 13 2023 20:00 utc | 68
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You’re correct. Most “movements” are directed by the target, as soon as they get large enough to make an impact. I do understand people who don’t want to take personal risks joining a “movement” where they can blend into the crowd but not shoulder any individual responsibility or accountability for their actions. Eric Hoffer wrote a book about this (The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements).
I try to cut some slack, I didn’t know this stuff 15 years ago, and I might even have argued against it when I was still innocent and naive.
The world needs innocence, but not on front lines, supply lines or production lines.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 13 2023 21:01 utc | 102

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 13 2023 20:34 utc | 91
You are right Patroklos I meant above the head.

Posted by: Milos | Feb 13 2023 21:03 utc | 103

Posted by: Blissex | February 13, 2023 at 20:43
«in 2022 is that the RF government was pretty sure that the preparatory attack by the ukrainian fascists would be followed by a bigger attack, and decided to counter-attack»
The point here is that the DPR+LPR+RF allies counter-attack was not even a preventive or pre-emptive counter-attack, because the ukrainian fascist attack on the DPR and LPR was not merely an imminent and clear danger, it had *already started* in complete violation of Minsk 2 with preparatory bombing and was continuing to happen.
BTW one of the funniest parts of Minsk 2 was:
“10. Pullout of all foreign armed formations, military equipment, and also mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine under OSCE supervision. Disarmament of all illegal groups.”
Hahahahahahaha! As if! 🙂

Posted by: Blissex | Feb 13 2023 21:07 utc | 104

Posted by: bevin | Feb 13 2023 18:54 utc | 46
And that has been the story it has imposed upon humanity since the 1490s.
And not a short time before: there was a lot practice before Columbus. You would enjoy this classic: Felipe Fernandez-Armesto, Before Columbus: Exploration and Colonisation from the Mediterranean to the Atlantic, 1229-1492 New Studies in Medieval History (Pan Macmillan, 1987).

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 13 2023 21:07 utc | 105

Posted by: MM | Feb 13 2023 20:52 utc | 99
Yup, all that and the dangerous development of a worldwide popular uprising initiated by the Canadian Truckers Convoy. That was an unpredictable firestorm of popular unity that required draconian suppression and this war diversion.

Posted by: MervRitchie | Feb 13 2023 21:08 utc | 106

re Patroklos | Feb 13 2023 20:20 utc | 85
nice summary, accurate perspective
I especially liked this part (among others, of course):
“…Ukraine is ideal site for massive black op, a lawless mafia-ridden corrupt shithole that makes Albania look like Hollywood Hills. A gigantic intelligence, money, sex-slave, marriage-scam laundromat. Location: perfect for a Yugoslav-collapse Balkan war on Russia’s doorstep….”
bingo.
I believe that they’re still banking on ‘weakening’ Russia, though I do think there are some very small but potentially serious cracks developing in the inner thinking/policy perspectives of the Political, Military and Think Tank Elites. see the recent Rand Report for example.
the Military I believe is the least anxious to pursue escalation, up to and apparently including a preemptive nuclear strike/war of some sort, rather than for the Political Elites to back down, de-escalate and negotiate with their ‘arch-enemies’ Russia and China. Such are the times we live in.
the neo-con neo-liberal interventionists and escalation freaks like Old Joe, Blinken, Sullivan, Nuland and S. Power are firmly in control…. well, so far as I can tell, it would appear

Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 13 2023 21:10 utc | 107

Don’t know why I bother….
Crooke introduces a new factor in his “Endgame for Ukraine: America vs America”: the POTUS election cycle:

Put bluntly, if Biden is to avoid a repeat of the humiliating Afghan débacle, America needs urgently to to move-on before the 2024 Presidential calendar kicks-off this summer – with Ukraine/Russia sucking all the oxygen out from the coming economic debates.
But that is not what is happening. Victoria Nuland – who has been ‘capo’ in Kiev for a decade – is overseeing a purge: Unreliables are ‘out’, and pro-American radical Ukrainian hawks are ‘in’. It is a make-over of the Kiev mafia, which leaves Zelensky without friends – and wholly dependent on Washington. It looks to be preparation for the U.S. to attempt a double-down in Ukraine.
Seymour Hersh’s detailed article on the backdrop to the Nordstream pipeline sabotage by the U.S., on which Hersh worked for many months (though his assertions have been denied by the White House), tells us something highly significant.
All the familiar, anti-Russia neo-cons (Nuland, Sullivan and Blinken) were part of the Nordstream sabotage plot – but the impulse for it came from Biden. He led it. And just to be plain, Biden is just as emotionally invested in Ukraine as his team mates; it is likely that he too cannot ‘let go’ in Ukraine.
BUT, doubling down now, in Ukraine, won’t work for Biden. It would be highly reckless (although the Nordstream plot was nothing, if not reckless).
Doubling-down will not bring his hoped-for ‘win’, because its logic is based on an egregious mis-analysis.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 13 2023 21:17 utc | 108

I only can tell one thing
russians cant really be mad, we are too soft hearted for that
so when those greeds project well, they can do, it is a compliment as you might understand
but to see that as a weakness? I dont know 🙂

Posted by: Macpott | Feb 13 2023 21:17 utc | 109

Patroklos | Feb 13 2023 20:20 utc | 85
Bravo sir! A concise, on point history.
“hysterical miasma of absurdist fantasy” that is the best description I’ve read of what is transpiring in the West just now.
I have one quibble. I don’t think that the Russians were fooled. They were following diplomatic protocols while working very hard to reorganise and modernise their armed forces and complete the weapons development programme. One example is the reconstitution of the 1st Guards division in western Russia. This had been disbanded during the 90s because of the economic difficulties.

Posted by: cirsium | Feb 13 2023 21:17 utc | 110

US UniParty are afraid of everyone, including each other, because they long since went over to the dark side, living by deceit. I think in FEB 22 and still today, UniParty are trying to lure Russia into making a morally and politically reprehensible act in Ukraine or anywhere else in Central or West Europe. It’s what nefarious women do when their powers fall short of their desires. They have not strength to force their wishes so they lure others into traps comprising bad behaviors, which acts said women use to demand other men and women go out and avenge them for.
Example, talk of nukes. Vicki Nuland has no intention of early liquidation — being first to throw a nuke. But she wants to lure Russia into doing that or something equally reprehensible, so she can claim purity and cut up Russia politically for cause.
People see such behavior by nefarious women as provocations, but they are subtler than that. Really, they are lurings, luring into traps: https://therevdavidrgraham.substack.com/p/luring

Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Feb 13 2023 21:21 utc | 111

Posted by: Zet | Feb 13 2023 20:05 utc | 74
«I wrote about it last year»
A few people have done so, but most commenters and even our blogger seem to think that the attacks on the RF and attempts are regime-change have as the ultimate target the RF and not the PRC, while the USA and EU had been hostile but still dealing with the RF for quite a few decades.
«and they wouldn’t even need freedom fighters. If you’re in the RF you can simply block any energy getting into China and bleed them try (from land and sea side)»
But that may not be enough: while the PRC is not an exporter of fuels and cereals like the RF, but an importers, it has enough fuels and cereals to survive an embargo or a blockade, even if at greatly reduced GDP, unlike the UK or Japan or Germany.
Also an embargo or a blockade may make the PRC population support *more* the PRC government instead of less, as everybody in the PRC remembers the “century of humiliation” and the invasions and massacres by the european, USA, Japan, and the Chiang gangsters.
However as some smart commenters have noticed the ukrainian attack against the DPR and LPR, and then against the RF, has already given the USA a big victory: the main aspect of “BRI”, the “Silk [Rail]Road” between PRC and EU, is now blocked for the long term as it passed through the RF, Belarus and Ukraine, either sanctions or at war.
The PRC is trying to create a new edition of the PRC-EU main “BRI” through a more southern “Silk [Rail]Road to the Mediterranean Sea via the “stans” and Turkey, or via ports in Pakistan and Iran, but it is going to take a lot of time and a lot of money have far less capacity and much higher costs than the huge rail networks in the RF, Belarus and Ukraine.

Posted by: Blissex | Feb 13 2023 21:22 utc | 112

still can’t understand the Russian overconfidence that Ukraine would negotiate. Ukraine has a tribal President, and that’s for a reason. He will do as told by his folks in the US. He doesn’t mind getting the last male slaughtered.
The real question given the pipeline blowup is – are the people running the west – the j/n eocons – rational actors.
Because if the other party is irrational, you can’t assume anything. Then it requires a completely different level of preparation to deal with them. And not only on the part of Russia. All the other countries need to prepare in that case.

Posted by: nothing but the trut | Feb 13 2023 21:25 utc | 113


* 2019-2021: US corporate oligarchy knows the writing is on the wall for late capitalism. Two last big throws of the manufacturing dice—Big Pharma and Big Weapons. Flu vaccines and itty-bitty proxy wars ain’t cuttin’ it. Enter Wuhan bat SARS and ratchet up the pressure in Donbass. Problem: MSM still reporting the truth. Initiate media protocol, swapping out ‘evil COVID’ for ‘evil Putin’.
2022: we were all there, so we know what’s gone down. Ukraine wasn’t supposed to hold out that long and the wild card turned out to be mediocre 100IQs running US/UK policy. ..
Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 13 2023 20:20 utc | 85
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What do you mean by “Ukraine wasn’t supposed to hold out that long”? Supposed by who?

Posted by: HOBO 3 | Feb 13 2023 21:25 utc | 114

Posted by: MervRitchie | Feb 13 2023 21:08 utc | 107
«the dangerous development of a worldwide popular uprising initiated by the Canadian Truckers Convoy. That was an unpredictable firestorm of popular unity»
The french “Yellow Vests” were first and in a far more important country than Canada.
But they essentially disappeared from the reporting by the corporate media after an initial short period in which they were depicted as weirdos or extremists.
As I keep repeating: as long as real estate prices keep booming the really dangerous threat to the upper classes (the “inner party”), a revolt of the upper-middle classes (the “outer party”), will not happen.

Posted by: Blissex | Feb 13 2023 21:26 utc | 115

I’d like to ask a question that might be interpreted by some as concern trolling. I hope that most regular readers will know that I’m not based on past comment history. The question is relatively simple, but could end up having complex answers. Here goes…
For years the media coverage here in the US (and likely Canada, EU, UK) talked about “Russian backed separatists” and made allusions to Russia supplying troops, heavy arms incl. artillery and training/logistic support. This, of course, is also exactly what the Amerikkkans were doing with the Nazis in western Ukraine, so even if it’s true, I don’t have a problem with it personally. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander as they say.
BUT…How true really is the stuff about Russian support? In Jacques Baud’s original Postil article on the matter published almost a year ago, he said that there was no proof that more than 40-50 Russian “soldiers” had ever been documented in the contact area or in Donbass and, please correct me if I’m wrong on any of this, that most of them were simply off-duty Russians volunteering to help out their brethren in Lugansk, Donetsk. Similar to the western mercs that flooded in on the other side, but with the actual familial and cultural connections that would make it far more justifiable.
Then there is the question of arms/artillery/etc. My awareness of these allegations began with the downing of MH-17 and the claims that Russia had supplied the militants with BUK missile systems. Even at the time I found myself wondering, if the Ukrainian AF already had these in its arsenal, wouldn’t the ones ALLEGEDLY in the hands of the rebels just be what was left in the region when the UAF were forced to evacuate after the post-coup rebellion?
So my question boils down to this: What sources are there that actually document Russian involvement in the conflict between 2014 and 2022 and what ‘behind the scenes’ role did Russia play in sustaining the conflict while, in public they clearly backed the Minsk accords and refused to acknowledge the independence of the breakaway provinces? What was Russia really doing compared to what has been alleged (often in quite weaselly ways in the western press)? The main reasons I ask are that things have been made so confusing on this side of the Atlantic and that I’d like some good sources with which to refute the constant claims that it was Russia that somehow was the main driving force for the inability to make peace and abide by ceasefires?
Thanks in advance to anyone willing to tackle these perhaps stupid questions.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 13 2023 21:31 utc | 116

«In early 2022 Ukraine had finished the preparations for an overwhelming attack on the renegade People Republics of Donetsk and Luhansk (DPR and LNR). […] Russia could not let a Ukrainian attack happen.»
But the title of this post is «The Buildup To War In Ukraine» which is misleading in the context: the «War In Ukraine» started on 9 May 2014 with the Mariupol Massacre which is when ukrainian government troops started shooting at dissident ukrainians in the Donbas.
After that the war never ended, and the ukrainian fascist government kept attacking the Donbas for 8 years, with lower or greater intensity, but never stopping, regardless of what the Minsk 2 treaty they had signed said.
The only change in early 2016 is that the ukrainian fascist government were preparing a bigger attack against the Donbas than most previous attacks.

Posted by: Blissex | Feb 13 2023 21:38 utc | 117

@ karlof1 | Feb 13 2023 21:17 utc | 109

Crooke talks about Biden’s team and the economy buy completely fails to mention his Treasury Secretary and the looming debt ceiling bill she has to convince the opposition party controlling congress to pass.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 13 2023 21:42 utc | 118

@ mishin05 86
I like your description of the US bandits hijacking the Ukraine. Full spectrum warfare means that opposition to foreign interventions by Britain was also forcibly removed by Electoral algorithms.
Jeremy Corbyn would not have acquiesced to this long-planned Democratic Party scam to colonise an empty Ukraine.
But without this catalyst , no alternative world currency and trading organisation for the

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 13 2023 21:45 utc | 119

Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 13 2023 21:31 utc | 117
Tom, someone else will have more details, but my understanding is that some or most of the weapons in the Donbas militias came from Ukraine troops “defecting” when told to attack those oblasts back in 2014.
The excellent documentary Ghosts: soldiers of a forgotten war filmed roughly 2018-2020, before the Special Military Operation, shows one tank and some other heavy weapons being used by the militias to defend their villages.

Posted by: jonku | Feb 13 2023 21:47 utc | 120

Posted by: jonku | Feb 13 2023 21:47 utc | 121
Thanks for that reminder. I had seen snippets of the film a while back. I’ll re-watch.
And to my original questions, I suppose the TL/DR version is actually pretty simple. I just want to be able to identify, qualify and quantify actual Russian involvement at the individual and/or governmental levels in the defense of the Donbass region pre-February 2022.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 13 2023 21:51 utc | 121

According to Sputnik today, Rheinmetal wants to deliver its newest Panther tanks to Ukraine. Is not this becoming an amazing replay of WO2… As in the Cindy Lauper song: you did not even change the sheets.

Posted by: Anthony | Feb 13 2023 22:02 utc | 122

mutch larger explosion numbers in the following days:
https://www.osce.org/files/2022-02-20-21%20Daily%20Report_ENG.pdf?itok=82567

Posted by: calixtus | Feb 13 2023 22:05 utc | 123

“”The key fact is that USA has a $21 trillion GNP, China a $17, and Russia a $1.5 trillion GNP. The numbers therefore point to USA-China conflict.
Posted by: meshpal | Feb 13 2023 17:27 utc | 7 “”
And some real Key Facts. The U.S. has an unpayable $32 Trillion of National Debt alone. The U.S. Central Bank, the Fed, owes $9 Trillion. And U.S. Corporate and Private Debt is also in the 10’s of Trillions. An upside down Pyramid.
And the U.S. GNP is 89% Government and Services. This means there is ZERO industrial capacity to go to war. Today is not like WWII when Roosevelt could enlist the American Industrial Giants like Ford, GM and U.S. Steel to turn their factories into Armaments production.
The U.S. has been TOTALLY FINANCIALIZED parallel with it’s willful de-industrialization . It is an economy of skimming and churning nothings, all with the illusory once almighty U.S. dollar.
It matters not one bit that the U.S. spends $900 billion on its Military. It matters that the available armaments and boots on the ground are no better than Russia’s at 1/10th the cost.

Posted by: kupkee | Feb 13 2023 22:06 utc | 124

NATO plans to enhance Kievan forces after the war.
https://tass.com/world/1575685

Posted by: Sister Louie | Feb 13 2023 22:06 utc | 125

too scents @119–
Thanks for your reply. Yes, Crooke omits Yellen but does invoke “It’s the economy stupid” which includes the whole shebang. You may have caught the short discussion of why Hersh’s story and why now on the previous open thread, my POV being to initiate Impeachment hearings to remove Biden for the reasons Crooke suggests. We shall see.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 13 2023 22:09 utc | 126

TimmyB | Feb 13 2023 18:51 utc | 44
This article seems to stop short. There is nothing in it showing the Ukraine started the war. It only shows that preparations were being made
You’re that kid, aren’t you. The kid that is given a Christmas calendar with a chocolate behind each date. But instead of eating one a day until Dec25.
You grab it and it every chocolate immediately.
In this case. My suggestion is to wait until Feb24 and see what b has written.
IMVHO b is documenting the day-by-day build up to the “unprovoked” Russia “war of aggression”..

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 13 2023 22:12 utc | 127

Leaving this here with a chuckle. https://theintercept.com/2023/02/13/russia-ukraine-war-crimes/
Could you imagine what doors might be opened?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 13 2023 22:17 utc | 128

This article seems to stop short. There is nothing in it showing the Ukraine started the war. It only shows that preparations were being made
TimmyB | Feb 13 2023 18:51 utc | 44
Which part about the OSCE documented dramatic increase in shelling against civilians in the Donbass region did you miss? The war had already begun, Russia finally decided it had to enter under the responsibility to protect.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 13 2023 22:19 utc | 129

In other news.
Wagner’s chairman Mr. P. just trolled the entire western media absolutely. Just checking as too their complete and total lack of ability to distinguish fact from fXXXXXX pure fantasy fiction.
In reality the Russian’s just cannot stop laughing at the western media/CIA Enslave Europa/Terror Radio’s complete and total lack of rational available mononeurons to think outside their collective posteriors of feeding raw poopaganda sewage sludge by all Western government’s direct order.
Who knew that an entire army of CIA sleepers posing as political advisors have been openly exposed for all to see? Stupid is as stupid does sum up the entire CIAs poorly trained by dumb&dumber idiots, retards, and mentally defective fake patriots! That which is too good to be true usually is.
In the Union of United Germania(1991). In a mere twenty-four hours, 250,000 Germania citizens signed an online petition. This petition concerns the end of all military toy sales to country 404. To prevent the post stone age WW3. Sgt “I know Nothing” Scho;z’s CIA handlers are desperately trying to hide the rapidly growing number of political dissidents in United Germaia. As all attempts to feed these dissidents, Enslave Europa/Terror Radio pooaganda has failed absolutely.
Germania’s newly reformed STASI police will be receiving instructions to arrest and detain all political dissidents. After all the former East Germania Cold War 1.0 abandoned army camps have been refurbished and rebuilt.
In the final news of the day, The women and war widows of country 404. To prevent the needless slaughter of all child soldiers sent to die on the Eastern front. It seems all male children from age 12 to 17. Have departed to foreign parts just two steps ahead of the country 404 “press gangers”.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Feb 13 2023 22:19 utc | 130

@ karlof1 | Feb 13 2023 22:09 utc | 127

The debt is coming in hotter and faster than expected.
Bloomberg reports:

US Budget Deficit Widens Rapidly, Threatening Debt-Limit Timeline
. Treasury Department now using special accounting measures
. Treasury last month saw special measures lasting to early June
The federal budget deficit is widening rapidly, according to the latest estimates by the Congressional Budget Office, raising the risk of the Treasury running out of cash earlier than expected amid a debt-ceiling standoff.
The excess of spending over receipts totaled $459 billion for the first four months of the fiscal year, which started Oct. 1, according to CBO estimates released on Wednesday. That’s a $200 billion increase over the same period a year earlier.
Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen has already deployed special accounting maneuvers to extend the time before her department will run out of cash, after the federal government hit the statutory $31.4 trillion debt ceiling last month. In mid-January, she indicated those maneuvers would last at least until early June.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-08/us-budget-gap-widens-rapidly-in-threat-to-debt-limit-timeline

Posted by: too scents | Feb 13 2023 22:23 utc | 131

Posted by: Sister Louie | Feb 13 2023 22:06 utc | 126
That’s precisely why there shouldn’t be any “after the war”. There will be an antiterrorist operation lasting into perpetuity, ending only after Nato is more or less neutered and as an entity and economical force, which at this rate won’t take long.
There is nothing Nato can offer re. their puppet Ukraine. Nato itself is the problem. Ukraine needs to become truly independent and eventually it will.

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 13 2023 22:25 utc | 132

“by: Melaleuca | Feb 13 2023 22:12 utc | 128”
“IMVHO b is documenting the day-by-day build up to the “unprovoked” Russia “war of aggression”..”
Yes, considering that he put the date “February 13 2022” in the title and posted it on that same day in 2023, I expect we’ll see one such post per day through at least Feb 24th.

Posted by: Dalit | Feb 13 2023 22:34 utc | 133

Stumbled on this article today. Pretty spot on, IMO.
https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/february-2023/why-the-liberal-hawks-rule-the-roost/

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 13 2023 22:39 utc | 134

Is this the first part of a two part article? It doesn’t read as though it’s complete.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 13 2023 22:42 utc | 135

The non-answer answer [to Russia’s Dec 2021 security treaty proposal] came and was deemed to be BS by Lavrov in his crucial, still classified, report to the Security Council, and that sealed the deal. 
karlof1 | Feb 13 2023 20:05 utc | 73
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Any idea why Lavrov’s report to the UNSC is still classified? Is that designated by the UN, which Russia (oddly) feels legally obliged to honor, or is it perhaps to protect sources? It makes little sense, given how compromised the UN is under defacto US ownership.
Also wondering why b’s post on OSCE-observed ceasefire violations only goes up to Feb 13, 11 days before the SMO, and not to Feb 21 when violations increased dramatically just a day or two before Russia was finally compelled to intervene. Seems incomplete to me.
https://acrobat.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn:aaid:scds:US:75dfa73d-c0b3-3b5c-9ee7-8b7be494efda
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Don’t know why I bother….[posting Crooke’s latest]
karlof1 | Feb 13 2023 21:17 utc | 109
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The size of your audience might surprise you. Certainly the great majority of it is silently nodding along … with unspoken thanks.
Thanks.
I infer from Crooke that Hersh’s source represents Pentagon pushback against Neocon psychos and an effort to push Biden out. Of course the notion of it being to used to forget about Ukraine-v-Russia in order to focus on China as the ‘main enemy’ is ballooning crazy up to a new altitude of insanity altogether.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Feb 13 2023 22:44 utc | 136

This music encapsulates the Donbass war:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQUiYm6iK7c

Posted by: Krollchem | Feb 13 2023 22:46 utc | 137

“The key fact is that USA has a $21 trillion GNP,”
And what is the national debt of the USA? And how much missing money is there?
Link to Missing Moneyhttps://missingmoney.solari.com/missing-money-2021-update/

Posted by: Jean-David Beyer | Feb 13 2023 22:46 utc | 138

The Russians are not slack on military intel. They knew that Ukraine was going to launch a major offensive in the Donbas before they attacked.
Most likely the Russians knew to the day when Ukraine would attack and preempted that attack on February 24, 2023.
Looking forward, the West is in a difficult situation. They are slowly losing the ground battle against Russia. After Bakhmut falls, this will be obvious to so many that the lying Western media will have to start admitting to some of the truths they have to consistently swept under the rug. This will not be any true change of heart. It will be a move to try to hang on to their dwindling base of readers and listeners.
I don’t doubt that the USA has a nuclear option plan. The USA may seriously consider implementing this plan after the Donbas battle is lost.
I don’t doubt that the Russian intel have or will intercept the West’s nuclear plans including dates.
Just as Russia launched their SMO just prior to when Ukraine was going to launch their offensive against the Donbas, Russia will launch their nuclear forces against the USA and NATO just prior to the West’s launch date.
All the talk about negotiations is a feint that never will be implemented. The USA can not afford to lose its hegemony and precious world reverve status of the USD. Russia will not trust the West again after all their lies following past agreements. The escalation will end in a launch of nukes. There is no off ramp for either side.
Watch Russia launch soon after it has taken and secured ALL of the Donbas. When Russia takes the Donbas can easily be determined from accurate reports from independent media like Alexander Mercouris, Alex Christoforu, Dima with the Military Summary Channel, Wyatt at Defense Politics Asia, Weeb Union, and many more.
Why is the taking of the Donbas so important? 1. Russia wants the threat of the Ukrainian/NATO army removed from its Western border before it launches. 2. Putin stated that the taking of Donbas was one of the major objectives of the Russian SMO. 3. The USA will be desperate after the Donbas falls and may be seriously planning a launch that the Russians will be most aware of. 4. Russia knows at this point there will be no resolution to the current conflict until the USA is gone. 5. It is written in Daniel 7:5 and in other scriptures with the USA being the last day’s Babylon. 6. The timing appears to be right from both a geo-political view and a scriptural view.

Posted by: young | Feb 13 2023 22:51 utc | 139

https://t.me/infantmilitario/92524
Don’t say, don’t ask; German edition.

Posted by: Arioch | Feb 13 2023 22:54 utc | 140

Russia is suffering population collapse and budget deficit – I wouldn’t think Moscow could last this war for very long. Moscow’s goal is preventing NATO’s dominance over the black sea but Moscow won’t indefinitely throw its people and deplete its funds.

Posted by: Eve | Feb 13 2023 22:55 utc | 141

I stumbled upon an analysis of Russia’s Tsentr-2019 military exercise in Northern Caucasus. It fielded 128,000 troops. The eminent Estonian military analyst (obviously trained in NATO’s best programs) concludes like this:
“[] speculate whether large, costly and rather cumbersome military exercises like Tsentr-2019 are in effect becoming less relevant and should, perhaps, be optimised in line with the changing nature of warfare. […] a relevant question to ask would therefore be whether the main mission and scope of Tsentr-2019 is an example of Russia’s preparation for previous wars.”
https://icds.ee/en/what-did-russias-strategic-military-exercise-tsentr-2019-reveal
The funny thing is that NATO now wants to reshape the economies of 30 countries to fight such “previous wars”.

Posted by: Zebra | Feb 13 2023 22:58 utc | 142

I am not convinced.
I remember Russian forces were building up for months prior to the start of the invasion. The Ukrainian build-up could easily have been a response to that. Lawmakers leaving the country were probably just leaving because of the impending invasion.
There’s just nothing in B.’s narrative that counts as evidence in favor of Ukrainian planned invasion that doesn’t also count in favor of Russian planned invasion.
And I don’t remember Putin talking about Ukraine invading. He reached out to Biden and NATO demanding broad withdrawal of U.S./NATO forces from the former Soviet Union. He did not reach out specifically about preventing a Ukrainian attack on East Ukraine.

Posted by: GoFast | Feb 13 2023 23:05 utc | 143

@Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 13 2023 21:51 utc | 122
I have never seen any definitive report on exactly what Russia provided. I am guessing that, like covert US military aid, it’s probably not possible to know exactly. I believe Russia supported the capture and opening of the border indirectly. The Ukrainians claimed several times that there was shelling from the Russian side, but, if true, I think this was in response to Ukrainian provocations rather than overt military assistance. All the on the ground reports said “no Russian soldiers here” although there were volunteers from the Russian side, and once the border was secured I believe there was a pretty good aid flow of various forms short of direct transfer of weapons from the Russian state. When MH17 was downed it was only the LPR/DPR officials involved in interfacing with outside authorities. There was talk that the black boxes made a trip to Russia and back before being handed over but I have no idea if that actually occurred. What I recall about the BUK systems was that there were two launchers and no RADARs in the separatists hands – one of which was inoperable. Not sure about the other, but without the RADAR array in operation the window to find a target, lock, and fire is only a minute or two. Not clear if anyone was available who knew how to operate the equipment effectively. I don’t remember what they were targeting Ukrainian military aircraft with but it wasn’t BUKs. The Ukrainians had a complete operational BUK unit with associated support within range at the time.
There are no reliable mainstream reports about what was happening so the best you are likely to come up with are blog posts.

Posted by: the pessimist | Feb 13 2023 23:27 utc | 144

What to think of the mastodon social network? Is it free from the security services dirty fingers?

Posted by: Stéphane | Feb 13 2023 23:27 utc | 145

i do not think russia was misguided enough to believe the west was agreement capable. it’s my view that russia (most particularly putin & those foreign ministers mentored by primakov & those loyalists that had diligently worked to ensure putin’s election after yeltsin) knew she was nowhere near ready to meet empire’s wrath. delay, diplomacy, due diligence…prepare, get the weapons not yet ready, ready, get the nation’s dependence upon imports & lack of self reliance up to speed. it took time. empire was asleep, russia wisely did not awaken empire from its hubris, but coddled empire into its deluded war plans, its great delusion of what had been in the 90s would be again, only bigger, ALL, empire would finally have all. empire worked piece meal behind the scenes, mother russia worked full out, every brain, every soul completely on point, on the task at hand. russia anticipated sanctions, war, russia knew empire wanted every russian dead, & if not dead then a slave. i don’t believe lavrov, putin, patrushev for a millisecond believed empire had a soul, possessed a shred of compassion or mercy.

Posted by: emersonreturn | Feb 13 2023 23:28 utc | 146

I remember Russian forces were building up for months prior to the start of the invasion.
Posted by: GoFast | Feb 13 2023 23:05 utc | 144

Russian forces are building up again. Could be another invasion soon.
https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1625214156080140288

Posted by: too scents | Feb 13 2023 23:28 utc | 147

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/nato-expected-raise-munitions-stockpile-targets-war-depletes-reserves-2023-02-13/
If these numbers are true, the situation is terrifying, and Ukraine’s military survival, as well as NATO’s conventional capacity rests only on its stockpiles.
Ukraine fires up to 10.000 shells a day, so something like 5.000 average.
US, by far the biggest NATO producer (usually more than half) 14.000 a month. That is less than 3 days. It expects (how long will it take? what the global rush on shell production will create in terms of bottleneck ?) to reach 90.000 that is just above 15 days in a month…
France will reach 10.000 a month (2 days) in about a year.
Germany (Rheinmetal) pretends it can go from 5.000/month (1 Ukr day) to 40.000 (8 days) in a year. Given Germany’s industrial situation, that’s a take.
(here note that no one talks about costs anymore while social situations deteriorate everywhere…)
If all these raises materialize next year NATO should be able to sustain the Ukraine war. Does the actual stock (its level is of course classified) enable NATO to support Ukraine for another year ?
If Russia can sustain this level of warfare and NATO not, it’s guaranteed to win.
It also means that NATO cannot sustain a conventional war with Russia (which would be even more intense) and its only deterrent is nuclear war. Despite pretending Putin threatens us with nuke, the reality is the exact opposite, if these numbers are accurate. West don’t need to state it, Russians do the math.
It also means Russia is forced to keep the war going on until a settlement is reached not with Ukraine, but with the whole West. Since any pause in the fighting will mean filling NATO’s conventional gaps for the next round.

Posted by: Saracen’s Head | Feb 13 2023 23:29 utc | 148

“Russia is suffering population collapse and budget deficit – I wouldn’t think Moscow could last this war for very long. Moscow’s goal is preventing NATO’s dominance over the black sea but Moscow won’t indefinitely throw its people and deplete its funds.
Posted by: Eve | Feb 13 2023 22:55 utc | 142”
Hmmm….. The U.S.is the economy that is bleeding out via unpayable debt approaching $100 Trillion (Government, the Fed, Corporate, Private, and Derivatives).
Russia has little debt and Trillions in hard assets.
Population decline? Europe and the U.S. have been in Terminal Decline for decades. And the only solution presented is killing off their cultures via importing Mo’s useless eater army.

Posted by: kupkee | Feb 13 2023 23:29 utc | 149

Looking at the state of the Collective West today, at this time, I continue to be absolutely stupefied by the wreckless, arrogant, vitriolic Presidents and Cabinet members of the countries involved (I leave Croatia, Hungary and Austria out of this). In my lifetime I have never such a bunch of complete and utter idiots running the collective West. In particular, a Senile USA President, a former, absolutely barking mad but dangerous British Prime Minister who is still heavily involved, a Prime Minister in Poland who has seriously messianic tendencies and intent on setting off WWIII and a drug addled, utterly corrupt, evil, brutal Nazi Dictator in Ukraine who has been lionised by the collective West the consequence of which has been the creation of a Monster, a depraved, greedy, immoral, power crazed Dictator who is guilty of supporting extremely serious war crimes perpetrated by his Army. Added to this of course, A President of the EC who is clearly also a power mad Nazi and a corrupt one at that and Charles Michel a nasty piece of work.
I think back to the Transatlantic Trade Treaty between the EU and the USA quite a few years ago. The EU negotiators at the time were proper, serious minded politicians who at least had the interests of their respective Countries and EU citizens. The EU Negotiators walked away from the negotiations clearly stating that the USA was not interested in a mutually beneficial Trade Agreement rather, a one-sided one that gave the USA everything and the EU nothing. I remember, I think it was the French or Italian negotiator said what the USA effectively was demanding was the transfer of millions of EU jobs to the USA which was unacceptable to them.
Well, well, well. This bunch of EU Leaders have sold out their countries and their citizens lock stock and barrel to the USA without batting an eyelid. No honour, no integrity, no preservation of their countries interests nothing, just a massive sell-out.
Not only that, I never thought that in my lifetime I would witness what I am seeing today. The Leaders of the collective West not only actively supporting a brutal Nazi Regime and it’s Dictator (who is giving Hitler a very good run for his money) but also, supporting extremely serious Ukrainian War Crimes, turning a blind eye to the atrocities they commit and actively supporting the nullification of Russia and Russian Culture. There can be no doubt that this is Nazi Ideology. They are also, not even slowly, transferring their own powers into Totalitarian ones removing key civil liberties like the right to protest, freedom of speech and the implementation of industrial levels of propaganda and censorship on any dissenting voices. My Grandparents fought in WWII to preserve our freedom, our civil liberties and to ensure Fascism and Nazis would never again take a hold on the world. Well, here we are, what my grandparents fought for has been eradicated. Fascism and Nazis once again, take over the collective West only this time, they are supporting it, actively so.
I salute you President Orban and the President of Croatia. Courage is not the absence of fear but rather, the judgement that something else is more important. You are putting your country and its citizens first and not supporting the current extreme Fascism that presently prevails.
God Bless you President Putin for your courage, forbearance and the absolute seriousness with which you approach these issues. If history is recorded correctly, you will be known as the Greatest Statesman of this Century and Lavrov the world’s Gold Standard Diplomat and Foreign Secretary. The Ukrainian people need to be freed from this brutal Nazi Dictatorship.
The Mad, Deluded, Destructive Clown who is currently President of Ukraine will be remembered in history as the President who absolutely, totally and unequivocally destroyed his country from which it will never recover.

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Feb 13 2023 23:32 utc | 150

@ karlof1 | Feb 13 2023 21:17 utc | 109
Thanks for the Crooke recent piece.
@ mine post 40
Addendum
Audio of Hersh’s first interview
In a reply by Ron Unz to a poster, he links the audio of Sy Hersh’s first interview since the bombshell. Ron states “he will have to take back some of the stuff he wrote about Hersh”
https://exiledonline.com/wnradio/rwn_episode_366_021123_v3.mp3?_=1

Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 13 2023 23:37 utc | 151

I am not convinced.
I remember Russian forces were building up for months prior to the start of the invasion. The Ukrainian build-up could easily have been a response to that. Lawmakers leaving the country were probably just leaving because of the impending invasion.
There’s just nothing in B.’s narrative that counts as evidence in favor of Ukrainian planned invasion that doesn’t also count in favor of Russian planned invasion.
And I don’t remember Putin talking about Ukraine invading. He reached out to Biden and NATO demanding broad withdrawal of U.S./NATO forces from the former Soviet Union. He did not reach out specifically about preventing a Ukrainian attack on East Ukraine.
Posted by: GoFast | Feb 13 2023 23:05 utc | 144

Let’s put it this way — Russia was preparing for months, Ukraine was preparing for invading the Donbass (and Crimea) since 2014-15.
Which we know because it was publicly admitted by Poroshenko, Zelensky, Merkel, Macron, and others.
Ukraine didn’t put 150,000 men in Donbass on February 1st 2022. There is a reason why in a year the front has barely moved a couple kilometers away from Donetsk — they had been fortifying, digging in, and setting up positions there for 8 years.
In fact the original post does not go far enough — within Russia there has been quite a bit of discussion how the Ukrainians planned to go even beyond the Donbass, into Rostov. Sound absurd initially, but when you think about it it is really not that far fetched, both as an objective and as execution.
Imagine Russia had sat on its hands and not mobilized any forces to stop the Ukronazis from carrying out ethnic cleansing in the Donbass and invading Crimea. What happens then?
First, 3-4 million people will be desperately fleeing into Russia from Donbass as refugees, which will be hugely destabilizing.
Second, another couple million fleeing across the Kerch bridge from Crimea into Krasnodar. Even more destabilizng.
Third, without any mobilization there would be no force to stop the Ukronazis from going into Rostov. It would be 150,000 vs whatever 10-20,000 men Russia may have in that region in peacetime. It would have to seriously scramble to put together a resistance. Of course, eventually it would be expected to do that, and crush the Ukies, and of course there is the nuclear deterrent too.
But then comes the last consideration. Imagine the situation — millions of refugees streaming into Russia, Rostov has fallen, etc. That would be hugely, enormously destabilizing. Putin may well have been overthrown in that kind of chaos as there would be a lot of blame going his way. Rightfully so — he would have been to blame for not stopping it, by not launching a preemptive strike.
And thus the West’s main goal — regime change — may have been achieved. Even if later the Ukies pull out or are driven out of Rostov.
Finally, there is absolutely nothing in the way this war has been fought so far that suggests it was a deliberately sought one, or that once it was started, it was fought with serious conquest in mind. To this day the main problem is the Kremlin not behaving as fitting the seriousness of the situation, which basically mandates another WWII-level effort, not an SMO with limited forces and idiotically, suicidally restrictive rules of engagement.
If the Kremlin had been serious about permanently solving the Ukrainian issue, there would have been a multiyear-long military build up, preparing a couple million men for the task, the war would have started with overwhelming force, there would have been no grain deals, no Azov exchanges, no “goodwill gestures”, farcical negotiations, or any of that nonsense.
We’ve seen none of that seriousness so far, exactly the opposite, everything points to this being a desperate measure, forced onto Putin by the circumstances, and the effort still being hampered by the Russian elite’s moronic clinging to the dream of going back to the good old times of spending their time between London, Paris, the ultra-expensive ski resorts in the Alps, and on megayachts in the Mediterranean and the Caribbean.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 13 2023 23:37 utc | 152

Posted by: GoFast | Feb 13 2023 23:05 utc | 144
«There’s just nothing in B.’s narrative that counts as evidence in favor of Ukrainian planned invasion that doesn’t also count in favor of Russian planned invasion.»
But the ukrainian attack against the Donbas was not “planned” or imminent, it was *happening* and had been happening for a while.
The ukrainian government had been attacking and bombing the Donbas for 8 years, with ups and downs, and in February 2022 they were in one of the “up” phases. The DPR and LPR (or the RF) had never attacked and bombed the rest of Ukraine, it had always been the ukrainian government attacking and bombing the DPR and LPR, since 9 May 2014, when the ukrainian official government troops started massacring the “wrong ukranians” of the Donbas, and never stopped doing that:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas
«3,393 civilians killed (349 in 2016–2021)
13,100–13,300 killed; 29,500–33,500 wounded overall
414,798 Ukrainians internally displaced; 925,500 fled abroad»
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/05/10/ukra-m10.html
«With the open support of Washington and its European allies, the regime installed by Washington and Berlin in last February’s fascist-led putsch is now extending its reign of terror against all popular resistance in Ukraine. That is the significance of the events in the major eastern Ukrainian city of Mariupol yesterday. After tanks, armored personnel carriers and heavily armed troops were unleashed on unarmed civilians in the city, the Kiev regime claimed to have killed some 20 people. The Obama administration immediately blamed the violent repression on “pro-Russian separatists.” This is the second time in a week that the Obama administration has defended the role of the Kiev government in the murder of anti-government demonstrators, having done so following the Odessa killings (see: “US defends role of Kiev regime and fascists in Odessa massacre”).
The violence bore all the hallmarks of a calculated provocation on the 69th anniversary of the defeat of Nazi Germany by the Soviet Red Army. […] These admirers of Hitler and his Ukrainian collaborators are now serving, with Washington’s full support, as the regime’s shock troops against popular opposition centered in the industrialized east of the country as well as in Russian-speaking centers such as Odessa in the south.»
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/least-among-us-war-donbas-terrorizing-ukraines-most-vulnerable-citizens/
«The deep anger toward both Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko (I was told by one young woman, a native of Donetsk, that “this is Poroshenko’s war”) and an equally deep sense of alienation from the Ukrainian state in Kiev are equally unmistakable. One young mother told us “there is no ‘back’ to Ukraine for Donbas.” If Poroshenko and his cheerleaders in the Obama administration and the US Congress believe that an economic blockade, Kiev’s deployment of snipers, the shelling of Donbas’s civilians and a proposal to send American weapons with which to facilitate the shelling is the recipe for winning eastern Ukrainian “hearts and minds” they couldn’t be more wrong. Yet, tellingly, this is the strategy Poroshenko himself laid out last November in a speech in which he declared:“Our children will go to schools and kindergartens, theirs will be holed up in the basements. Because they are not able to do a thing. This is exactly how we will win this war!” Well, he may have half the job done. The little children we saw are indeed cowering in filthy conditions in underground Soviet-era bomb shelters.»
https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/
«But just after signing the Minsk 1 Agreements, the Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko launched a massive anti-terrorist operation (ATO/Антитерористична операція) against the Donbass.»
https://tfiglobalnews.com/2022/06/20/ukraines-new-masterstroke-against-russia-is-actually-ukraines-biggest-pro-russia-move/
«Former Ukrainian President, Petro Poroshenko has admitted that the 2015 ceasefire in Donbas, which he negotiated with Russia, France, and Germany as president of Ukraine was indeed a distraction intended to buy time for Kyiv to rebuild its military. He made the remarks in interviews with numerous news outlets this week, including Germany’s Deutsche Welle television and Radio Free Europe’s Ukrainian unit.»
https://www.zeit.de/2022/51/angela-merkel-russland-fluechtlingskrise-bundeskanzler
«Und das Minsker Abkommen 2014 war der Versuch, der Ukraine Zeit zu geben. Sie hat diese Zeit hat auch genutzt, um stärker zu werden, wie man heute sieht.» [And the 2014 Minsk agreement was an attempt to give Ukraine time. They also used this time to get stronger, as you can see today.]
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/12/war-of-the-worlds-begins-in-your-neighborhood-because-german-chancellor-merkel-has-just-declared-russia-was-never-pacified.html
«Merkel said in Italian, in her interview with Corriere della Sera on December 27. That was: “We all knew that it was a frozen conflict, that the problem was not solved, but this gave Ukraine precious time … the Cold War never really ended because Russia was never pacified.”»
https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics
«”Merkel was right.” Hollande spoke frankly about the Minsk agreements (according to a report in the Kyiv Independent)
“The Minsk agreements gave time to strengthen the AFU
“It is the merit of the Minsk agreements to have given the Ukrainian Army this opportunity.”»

Posted by: Blissex | Feb 13 2023 23:38 utc | 153

Posted by: Eve | Feb 13 2023 22:55 utc | 142
According to Alex Mercouris Russia is better off demographically than every other country in Europe.
A big difference is also that Russia tries to save and multiply their people (e.g. super-mom award if you have 10 children). The West seems to want to kill off as many of their own citizens as possible.

Posted by: Zebra | Feb 13 2023 23:41 utc | 154

“The thing I love about America is that if they can’t make it Bigger and Better, they’ll make it Dumber and Trashier.”
Source: Billy Connolly: Great American Trail (TV series) – during a visit to a styrofoam replica of Stonehenge…

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 13 2023 23:42 utc | 155

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 13 2023 21:51 utc | 122
Tom, most everything you said is “mostly true.” We know that the AFU had old Soviet Era Buk missiles because they downed a Malaysia airline with one.
Also, people in the Russian Military (and not) who had families in the Donbass were allowed to go and fight with the Donetsk and Lugansk militias.
Also, all males who immigrated to Russia were allowed to return to Eastern Ukraine and fight with the militias (I suspect they received some military training in Russia). Later, as I remember it, Russia soldiers were allowed to volunteer to join the militias as well, and as take weapons with them (including some old soviet tanks and Howitzer’s).
This is all from memory. But I suspect if you dig into RT and a few other places around 2015 2017 you should find some stories that fits my memory. Also got to Consortium News archives and even Counterpunch when they were still worth a fuck.

Posted by: Ed | Feb 13 2023 23:42 utc | 156

All the familiar, anti-Russia neo-cons (Nuland, Sullivan and Blinken) were part of the Nordstream sabotage plot – but the impulse for it came from Biden. He led it. And just to be plain, Biden is just as emotionally invested in Ukraine as his team mates; it is likely that he too cannot ‘let go’ in Ukraine.
BUT, doubling down now, in Ukraine, won’t work for Biden. It would be highly reckless (although the Nordstream plot was nothing, if not reckless).
Doubling-down will not bring his hoped-for ‘win’, because its logic is based on an egregious mis-analysis
Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 13 2023 21:17 utc | 109
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I hope you mentioned BIDEN with tongue firmly in cheek?!? He hasn’t even been in control of his own private functions for a couple of years ! OBAMA, Valerie Jarrett and Susan Rice are the puppet masters in this whole scenario!

Posted by: Garry Owen | Feb 13 2023 23:44 utc | 157

Tom_Q_Collins @ 117:
I would suggest that some if not much or most of the so-called “Russian support” was coming from private individuals, groups or even organisations with contacts, even networks of contacts on both sides of the border between eastern Ukraine (in particular, the breakaway Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics) and Russia itself.
Many people in the breakaway republics in eastern Ukraine were veterans of the Soviet wars against the CIA-backed mujaheddin in Afghanistan back in the 1980s and might have kept weapons, ammunition and other equipment from those conflicts. They would have known other individuals in Russia and other former Soviet republics who were part of their units and regiments while serving in Afghanistan.
Then of course as Jonku says @ 121, many Ukrainian troops and probably even whole units defected to the Donetsk / Lugansk side during the hot war that broke out in mid-2014. Not to mention that Ukrainian troops also abandoned tanks, equipment, weapons and ammunition in some circumstances to avoid encirclement / cauldroning which would have resulted in their capture anyway or death. All this abandoned materiel would have become part of the defenders’ supplies.
Proving or documenting all these and other possible scenarios where the Eastern Ukrainian defenders obtained weapons will be difficult, not least because in those situations having a paper or digital trail tracing the weapons from their original sources to their final users could expose the end users to arrest from Ukrainian authorities.
It’s also convenient for Kiev to say that weapons and materiel that the Donetsk and Lugansk fighters have, are coming from Russia, because this avoids the embarrassment Kiev would face (with the possible loss of support and money from the West) in admitting that its own troops are defecting to the other side, selling weapons on the black market or simply abandoning them.

Posted by: Jen | Feb 13 2023 23:45 utc | 158

Posted by: Saracen’s Head | Feb 13 2023 23:29 utc | 149
«It also means that NATO cannot sustain a conventional war with Russia (which would be even more intense)»
This is the usual delusional assessment of the capabilities of the USA and EU vassal military: they are based on the ludicrous idea that the capabilities of the *peacetime* USA and EU vassal militaries would not be improved in a real war.
In 1916 and in 1940 the USA peacetime military was minimal, and any wargaming would have shown that it would be easily defeated by Germany and Japan, running out of supplies soon.
But in both 1916 and 1940 the USA was rich and big, and could fund other countries (e.g. in both cases the UK and Russia mostly) to run a proxy war for them and then enter the active fight to deal the final blow to the enemy.
In WW2 the USA built one hundred and twenty one (151) aircraft carries (of which “only” 61 were fleet carriers, 90 were escort carriers), in a few years, and in 1943 it was already making almost 100,000 fighter planes per year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_aircraft_production_during_World_War_II
Sure it would take nowadays more then 1-2 years for the USA to ramp-up military production, but it could still do it. USA manufacturing is smaller in percent of GDP than in 1940, but still slightly bigger in physical terms.

Posted by: Blissex | Feb 13 2023 23:53 utc | 159

After several centuries, AmeriKKKa has managed to create a styrofoam replica of Democracy and pretend it’s real.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 13 2023 23:53 utc | 160

A few days ago I watched an old doco (2014) “we are many”. It was a retro view back to Feb 2003 all about the demonstrations across the world against the illegal invasion of Iraq just a few weeks before the invasion happened. The numbers in those countries which were likely to be involved were huge amerika & england demonstrations featured millions of humans who undoubtedly believed that they were middle class.
Watching it gave me an odd feeling, A lot of us from here when this forum was over at the Whisky Bar and my nym was Debsin04 had been deploring the invasion of Iraq & Afghanistan in one way or another pretty much since the towers fell, but this was something rather different.
It wasn’t until we heard the demonstrators chanting “Not in my name” that it really clicked, many of the protesters weren’t seriously trying to stop this blatant act of imperialism, they were merely seeking absolution. When the invasion went ahead they would stand on the sidelines and cry “I said don’t do it but no-one listened” as they filled up their vehicles with cheaper more plentiful gasoline. Of course it didn’t work out that way as those in the know knew, even if gas had gotten cheaper all that would have happened is bigger profits for the energy corps.
This is what really troubles me about the current accepted forms of protest since it requires little risk or committment to sign a petition or walk on a march it is impossible to stop the feeling that many participants are just having two bob each way (win/show) on the favourite in the horse race.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Feb 13 2023 23:56 utc | 161

Then of course as Jonku says @ 121, many Ukrainian troops and probably even whole units defected to the Donetsk / Lugansk side during the hot war that broke out in mid-2014. Not to mention that Ukrainian troops also abandoned tanks, equipment, weapons and ammunition in some circumstances to avoid encirclement / cauldroning which would have resulted in their capture anyway or death. All this abandoned materiel would have become part of the defenders’ supplies.
Posted by: Jen | Feb 13 2023 23:45 utc | 159

And, of course, the events of 2014-15 are the biggest nail in the coffin of the myth that Putin woke up one day and decided to wage an imperialist war of conquest against a sovereign country.
He had it all on a platter back then, but not only didn’t he use the opportunity to decapitate the snake before it grows into a big dangerous dragon, he went as far as actively sabotaging the efforts of the pro-Russian forces on the ground on numerous occasions.
Mariupol is destroyed today primarily because the order came to retreat when it could have been easily taken without a fight at the time. Meaning that in 2022 it had to be leveled. The same fate awaits or already befell numerous other settlements.
And the AFU was in such shambles back then that there was nothing to stop even the much weaker than it is now Russian army from marching all the way to Lvov.
The usual argument brought up is that Russia wouldn’t have survived the sanctions back then, but it was sanctioned anyway over Crimea and there is zero evidence it would have been sanctioned more if it at least allowed DNR/LNR to take over everything within their administrative borders, or even if it partitioned off the whole of Novorossya without annexing it and installing a puppet regime in the rest. Outright annexation of the whole? Maybe then the current sanctions would have come then, and that would have been a problem.
The idea that Mariupol, Slavyansk-Kramatorsk and Lysichansk-Severodonetsk would have moved the needle that much back then is just laughable though.
But the Kremlin then, just as it is now, was working for the interests of the Russian elite, not for the interests of Russia as a whole. So here we are…

Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 13 2023 23:57 utc | 162

once again b provides an object lesson in the dangers of narrative in the justification of murder, as much by way of what he presents as of what he distorts.

Posted by: plucy | Feb 13 2023 23:58 utc | 163

Posted by: GoFast | Feb 13 2023 23:05 utc | 144
Posted by: too scents | Feb 13 2023 23:28 utc | 148
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Because words matter, I would like to point out that Russia did not INVADE Ukraine, they rescued the people of the Donbass from an immanent attack and bloody slaughter by the Nazis who captured Ukraine.
I used the term “invaded” many times but, I will never do it again. Why should I do the Nazis work? Think about it.

Posted by: Ed | Feb 13 2023 23:59 utc | 164

All of Luxembourg, Iceland, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Liechtenstein, United States, Switzerland, Belgium, Monaco, United Kingdom, Denmark, Netherlands, France, Austria, Finland, Albania and Italy had positive population growth rates in 2021, Kupkee…

Posted by: Eve | Feb 14 2023 0:02 utc | 165

In WW2 the USA built one hundred and twenty one (151) aircraft carries (of which “only” 61 were fleet carriers, 90 were escort carriers), in a few years, and in 1943 it was already making almost 100,000 fighter planes per year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_aircraft_production_during_World_War_II
Sure it would take nowadays more then 1-2 years for the USA to ramp-up military production, but it could still do it. USA manufacturing is smaller in percent of GDP than in 1940, but still slightly bigger in physical terms.
Posted by: Blissex | Feb 13 2023 23:53 utc | 160

That is completely impossible now.
Back then it was done on the back of converting the enormous existing civilian capacity into military production. Car factories making tanks and airplanes, etc. Plus building more, of course.
Doable, because there was that existing capacity, and because, most importantly, the overall industrial infrastructure and skilled workforce were there.
Not the case now:
1) The skilled workforce simply does not exist.
2) Current car factories can’t really be converted towards making airplanes or tanks, as the processes have become much more specialized.
3) The overall industrial infrastructure — making components, mining for various metals, etc. — has been dismantled and outsourced.
China can inflict a defeat on the US comparable to the effects of a strategic nuclear strike without firing a single shot — it just needs to block exports, and then within a few months, as stocks run out, the US will literally descend into a Mad Max collapse scenario, as everything grinds to a halt. Then most of the population will starve to death (long before even agriculture collapses for lack of parts for tractors, food distribution will crumble completely, as the trucks break down), cannibal gangs will be roaming the streets, etc.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 14 2023 0:07 utc | 166

«Also, people in the Russian Military (and not) who had families in the Donbass were allowed to go and fight with the Donetsk and Lugansk militias. Also, all males who immigrated to Russia were allowed to return to Eastern Ukraine and fight with the militias (I suspect they received some military training in Russia). Later, as I remember it, Russia soldiers were allowed to volunteer to join the militias as well, and as take weapons with them (including some old soviet tanks and Howitzer’s).»
Small details compared to this assessment from a neutral and honest source:
https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/
«We were trying to detect Russian arms deliveries to the rebels, to see if Moscow was involved. The information we received then came almost entirely from Polish intelligence services and did not “fit” with the information coming from the OSCE — despite rather crude allegations, there were no deliveries of weapons and military equipment from Russia. The rebels were armed thanks to the defection of Russian-speaking Ukrainian units that went over to the rebel side. As Ukrainian failures continued, tank, artillery and anti-aircraft battalions swelled the ranks of the autonomists. This is what pushed the Ukrainians to commit to the Minsk Agreements. But just after signing the Minsk 1 Agreements, the Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko launched a massive anti-terrorist operation (ATO/Антитерористична операція) against the Donbass.»

Posted by: Blissex | Feb 14 2023 0:09 utc | 167

Posted by: MervRitchie | Feb 13 2023 21:08 utc | 107
«the dangerous development of a worldwide popular uprising initiated by the Canadian Truckers Convoy. That was an unpredictable firestorm of popular unity»
The french “Yellow Vests” were first and in a far more important country than Canada.
But they essentially disappeared from the reporting by the corporate media after an initial short period in which they were depicted as weirdos or extremists.
As I keep repeating: as long as real estate prices keep booming the really dangerous threat to the upper classes (the “inner party”), a revolt of the upper-middle classes (the “outer party”), will not happen.
Posted by: Blissex | Feb 13 2023 21:26 utc | 116
The Yellow Vest may have been 1st. But it was the Canadian Trucker Freedom Convoys that started a global push back against the vax and lockdowns etc. Two totally different things. It was Canadian Truckers and Farmers that led the way.
The Freedom Convoys went from Canada to USA then the EU and global.
The Canadian Freedom Convoys had huge impact.

Posted by: jgalt | Feb 14 2023 0:11 utc | 168

I appreciate the responses to my question. I guess it’ll involve some digging around at blogs, in comments and in the archives over at RT and Consortium News. Nevertheless, in the meantime I think I’ve got a firmer picture of the reality on the ground now so at least I can provide some more detailed pushback to the morons or brainwashed among those I talk about this stuff with.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 14 2023 0:14 utc | 169

Posted by: Blissex | Feb 14 2023 0:09 utc | 168
Also thanks for confirming what I remembered reading at The Postil way back around this time last year. For all the talk about Russian military presence and the rebels being “Russian backed” it was far and away mainly existing weapons stocks in use and defecting AFU soldiers joining with the militias in opposition to the western backed Nazi coup government.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 14 2023 0:16 utc | 170

Posted by: Debsisdead | Feb 13 2023 23:56 utc | 162
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Debs, we can only do what we can. Most do nothing but hang around and bitch. I have carried my share of water against US and European Imperialism over the years (South Africa, Nicaragua, Serbia, Venezuela, and more), but I am curious, what did you do after the US invasion of Iraq?
I have lost jobs and friends just for going out into the streets and demonstrating against Imperialism around the world.
By the way, your moniker Debs is dead, does that refer to Eugene Debs?

Posted by: Ed | Feb 14 2023 0:22 utc | 171

But the Kremlin then, just as it is now, was working for the interests of the Russian elite, not for the interests of Russia as a whole. So here we are…
Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 13 2023 23:57 utc | 163
What does this mean in real world terms? Does the Russian elite want the war to continue so as to sell more arms or something along similar lines to how the “west” views the situation? Otherwise what would the elites gain from a protracted deadly war that verges ever closer to nuclear exchanges?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 14 2023 0:33 utc | 172

All hail to the Canadian truckers, but I can’t say they’ve been that influential in Europe. The protests in the Netherlands have first and foremost been about the EU trying to destroy agriculture/livestock because of “climate change”. Sure, there have been a few vaxx demos around, but unfortunately not many.
When it comes to revolution Europeans traditionally wait until France takes the lead. And I guess the French will be the key to dissolve NATO when the time is ripe.

Posted by: Zebra | Feb 14 2023 0:36 utc | 173

Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 14 2023 0:07 utc | 167
«Back then it was done on the back of converting the enormous existing civilian capacity into military production. Car factories making tanks and airplanes, etc. Plus building more, of course.»
As I wrote, the manufacturing sector today in the USA is *bigger( in absolute terms than during WW2, even if smaller as part of a GDP “padded” by “services”:
steel production which has been roughly constant (and thus a shrinking per-cent of GDP) from 1940 to 2014:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USGS_Iron-Steel_1900-2014.png
In the 1950s car production in the USA was between 5m and 8m per year:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_automobile_industry_in_the_1950s
and in 2021 was around 9m with a sustained peak of around 11m-12m in the more expansionary years 2013-2018:
https://www.bts.gov/content/annual-us-motor-vehicle-production-and-factory-wholesale-sales-thousands-units

Posted by: Blissex | Feb 14 2023 0:40 utc | 174

Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 13 2023 21:51 utc | 122
I’ll have a bit of a lame attempt at a reply.
1/ 2023 and we see the Luhansk and Donetsk Republics as very much *seperate* from Ukraine.
2013_ ie/ in the fading days Before Maden, things were not so clean and clear cut.
“The Donbass” was a region with a 300 year history of being Russian. But at the disintegration of the Soviet Union found itself within the Ukrainian borders. No one cared. Ukraine and Russia were brothers and the border was just an administrative demarcation that barely impacted the people in the regular who crossed back and across unobstructed. (I don’t think they even bothered with passports until more recently, and even after Maiden people still moved back and across from Ukraine-Russia-Ukraine seeing the border as an irritant rather than a Bid Deal.
During the 8 years post Maiden the Ukrainian govt increased its antagonism toward the Donbass and Russia. The Donbas residents, responding to the hostility and violence from Ukraine sought protection from Russia, especially as most of the residents were Russians who, because of an accident of history, found themselves in Ukraine.
How I have tried to explain it to aussie friends family and acquaintances (although I no longer bother).
Imagine two states NSW and Victoria (or Queensland {I vary depending on target audience}) were two countries.
For two centuries everyone in border towns has moved freely back and across. Lived in one state, worked in the other, played sport; had family members and friends either side of the border that most people barely acknowledged existed.
Then one day, or over a short period, one state decided to hate the other state. People in the border region decided they wanted to belong with (say) NSW, but Victoria said, nah. And then started killing the people in the border region, to have the area cleared of “NSW sympathisers”.
And then the border region was in a shooting war with the Victorian government for 8 years.
Eventually the NSW govt stepped in to stop the Vic govt killing, because the region formally declared itself independent and then voted to join NSW.
The analogy isn’t perfect, and not everyone I’ve tried it with “gets it”..
Because
*/ “doh. Der. Herrr. Where are the border “sympathisers” going to get guns from?
*/ numerous objections to the admittedly weak analogy.
I do try to explain the U$ was the puppet master pulling Ukrainian govt strings.
Instigating the hatred between two fraternal nations.. in fact Ukraine *was* Russia until the 1920s [don’t jump on me @bar, I don’t try to give a totally comprehensive account of Ukraine nationhood in the few minutes of attention I have before objections start…]
When broaching the U$ role in the Ukrainian mess, few accept that, as they know the malevolent history of the U$…
“We” (being the U$ “Deputy Sheriff in the Pacific”) are the Good Guys…..
And Russians are evil, so….

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 14 2023 0:41 utc | 175

Posted by: Eve | Feb 14 2023 0:02 utc | 166
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All of those countries you cited may be seeing positive population growth but I am sure all of them are experiencing absolute cultural death. That’s the Globalist trade-off. A consumer is a consumer. Culture/spirit/soul aren’t part of the equation.
I don’t care how many (beautiful, strong) Africans migrate to Italy, it will be many generations before their offspring sees themselves as Italians before they see themselves as Africans. Don’t get me started on Muslims (who are awesome, IMO) in Scandinavia. They will become Vikings when I become a cosmonaut.
If you’re going to troll for NATO, please come up with better arguments. The bar is high, pun intended.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 14 2023 0:42 utc | 176

Doug Hillman @137–
That was Russia’s Security Council not the UNSC. I can’t recall how much of it was revealed in the article I wrote based upon that meeting in January 2022, but that the critical review was made by Lavrov was made clear in the transcript. Some of it can be surmised in later statements by Putin, Lavrov and others, as well as in some of the details within the 4 Feb. Joint Declaration. Xi’s global security initiative of April 2022 is also linked to all of that. Those saying China’s doing nothing don’t know shit; China’s economic engine is making it possible for the RoW to attain solidarity and mount resistance to the Empire which is really only just beginning. Big Picture. Speaking of that, I published the essay I promised juliania I’d finish today, “Why Obey Illegal Sanctions? The Way Out”.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 14 2023 0:50 utc | 177

Jen | Feb 13 2023 23:45 utc | 159
Jen, something that was very telling some months back. Reading the Russian/donbass telegram channels, many charities raised fund for the donbass militia’s to by them equipment – before the referendums. Night vision equipment, vests etc where not allowed across the border and this was right through the SMO until the referendums.
Shortly after US/UK forced Europe into the MH17 sanctions, the fortunes of the militia’s turned and forced Ukraine into Minsk one, then again in Minsk two. I suspect their was an injection of intel into the Donbas plus a very small numbers of special forces that helped with tacktics. possibly some shoulder fired weapons. Along with Ukraine regular forces coming over to the Donbas side, the had also been arsenals/military bases in the Donbas that where commandeered. Even in the SMO, the Donbas was still using Ukraine heavy weapons systems, not Russian systems.
Apart from Ukraine regulars coming over to the militia side, there was also trade on the front lines. I watched one video of a Ukraine unit selling an IFV to a Donbas militia.
What I noticed about the 2014/15 initialo stage of this war is the Donbas militias were very motivated and the Ukraine regulars in the midst of corruption had little motivation. Local leaders came to the for. Givi, Motorola ect. Because they were so effective, they were all killed by the the US/UK after Minsk II.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 14 2023 0:51 utc | 178

@Likklemore | Feb 13 2023 23:37 utc | 152
So after listening to the interview:
hmmmm…
Very softball interview by fans. Mostly telling stories and giving them advice. He says one thing of interest when asked about sources and verification – that people in the pipeline industry know. It could be that he talked to someone who knows how this theoretically could be done and puts that together with what he was told, or it could be that he talked to someone who knows how this operation was done. I am inclined to think the former. About the political side of the operation we learn nothing. Fine. If it’s actually true then perhaps more will come out. Perhaps he will write a followup. Perhaps others with access to people and information will do some real reporting for a change.
Overall impression – Hersh saw an obvious and important story that the press wasn’t covering and tried his hand at it.

Posted by: the pessimist | Feb 14 2023 0:56 utc | 179

Jennifer Stolberg now says NATO will focus on protecting underwater pipelines. LoL
NATO is a bunch of clowns and the laughingstock of the world.

Posted by: Comandante | Feb 14 2023 1:11 utc | 180

nothing but the trut | Feb 13 2023 21:25 utc | 114
still can’t understand the Russian overconfidence that Ukraine would negotiate
I suggest because as at Jan-Feb 22 there were members of the Ukrainian Rada who *were* disposed to negotiate.
Zelensky and his U$ State Dept handlers have since purged most – all- but back then, even within Ukraine’s government, there existed a contingent that were able to see the sense in maintaining some relationship with Russia.
Not everyone wanted this war. Even some who were hostile to Russia, baulked at full open warfare.
Russian troops on the outskirts of Kiev also focussed the minds of those who right up until then had thought they would actually like a bit of biffo with Russia.
Remember.. Ukraine dispatched a negotiation team to Belarus. The team had to have their cell phones on the table so the U$ state dept could listen in.
And then one of the negotiation team was openly murdered.
That had the desired message delivered to anyone else likely to suggest discussing terms with Russia.
As has been started here @bar before. The U$ gambled for ALL the marbles. Winner takes ALL. They were just so sure they would win.
It’s taken a full year and, 200k??, dead Ukraine soldiers to rattle that certainty.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 14 2023 1:13 utc | 181

What our dear friend Blissex fails to take into account is that the US economy, along with that of Europe and Japan, are heavily financialized and geared with leverage. Going back to a WW2 era wartime production economy simply won’t work – it would implode because late-stage capitalism doesn’t run in reverse.
The only thing that might work would be massive imports of immigrants to run a parallel economy, or more likely open colonization of places like Brazil to turn them into industrial slaves of the US.
Americans aren’t going to work in a factory to build tanks. They’re too busy “quiet quitting” their high-falutin’ new economy jobs and doing “revenge travel.”

Posted by: Chris | Feb 14 2023 1:35 utc | 182

karlof1 | Feb 14 2023 0:50 utc | 178
Brian Berletic put up an excellent video with Sleboda, Russian historian and Zha, Chinese historian on Russia China historical relationship. Quite long but just an excellent recall of history by both.
I tried to write a bit on how the perspective of other cultures differs from that of the win lose west. Very much in the history of empires, it has been get big or get eaten. But there is also the perspective of get big for mutual security and prosperity.
When we look at history there is the two types of empires. Loot, plunder and living space which entails the genocide of the original population. And an empire of security in numbers and joint prosperity. That second we see very much in current Russian federation and also China. None more so than the Chechnya/Russian federation relationship. Many here in the west wave rainbow flags and crap on about diversity, but it is Russia and China that actually have diversity. And that has gone back through much of their history.
But for anyone, watching through this video, although long is well worth it. Zha is excellent in the way he can talk about the Russia China relationship throughout history from the past to the present without notes. Sleboda adds to what Zha says.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpNzv4zwzes

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 14 2023 1:37 utc | 183

Posted by: HOBO 3 | Feb 13 2023 21:25 utc | 115
What do you mean by “Ukraine wasn’t supposed to hold out that long”? Supposed by who?
I think the plan was to split Germany from Russia decisively. That was the sign of success. All they needed was Russia to play the bad guy. But Ukraine turned out to be stubborn.
Change of plan: stymie negotiations between Z and Putler and see how far this goes. Embroil Putler in a drawn out attrition war. Ukraine? crew expendable.

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 14 2023 1:37 utc | 184

Posted by: Blissex | Feb 13 2023 21:26 utc | 116
As I keep repeating: as long as real estate prices keep booming the really dangerous threat to the upper classes (the “inner party”), a revolt of the upper-middle classes (the “outer party”), will not happen.
Good point. It was the success of the Pax Augusta: we’ll guarantee your property rights, you give us the mandate to rule.

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 14 2023 1:42 utc | 185

With respect to the idea that the US or the Collective West could re-industrialize and fight Russia and/or China in a new World War III over the next 2 years or so, utter rubbish, completely impossible. There’s no industrial base to convert into producing war machines and even if there is we should be honest about the US political class. in WW2 the US political elite still felt loyalty to their home nation, the current crop of US and Western elites are just a bunch of hustlers looking for their pork pay day, look at the F-35 fighter, logically the most efficient way to produce that fighter would be to have a one or maybe two, dedicated industrial production sites, but that wouldn’t give enough pork to each senators so instead the US sources parts from all 50 states (including states that have a monopoly on producing screws for the fighter, god save us if the wrong state’s screws ends up in the airplane). Of course the government pays the transportation fees for sending partially build airframes back and forth between different states. The US government is simply not serious about actually fighting a major power, all the US can do is fall back on their nuclear weapons while playing chicken with Russia and China.

Posted by: Kadath | Feb 14 2023 1:42 utc | 186

jgalt@169….the Canadian truckers were inspired by the Indian, No Farmers, No Food protests. Protests there were going on for almost two years before it showed up here in Canada. It worked in India, it was 50/50 here in Canada but at least it woke a lot of people up to the WEF tyrants running western countries.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 14 2023 1:45 utc | 187

Posted by: Dalit | Feb 13 2023 22:34 utc | 134
Yes, considering that he put the date “February 13 2022” in the title and posted it on that same day in 2023, I expect we’ll see one such post per day through at least Feb 24th.
Sorry but: duh. If you can’t see that b is adopting this literary/historiographic diary approach for the week preceding the anniversary then stay quiet to avoid looking like an idiot. And quit saying ‘but whaddabout?’ if it falls after Feb 13. Would you give away the end of a season? Don’t spoil it for me.
It’s a great idea b and that’s why I come here.

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 14 2023 1:51 utc | 188

Ed | Feb 14 2023 0:22 utc | 172
I disagree with debs on some issues. Perhaps that is just one category – and that is one size fits all. Debs has walked the talk even if I don’t agree with some of it. Waving a protest placard pales in comparison. You picked the username correctly I believe.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 14 2023 1:55 utc | 189

re Ed | Feb 14 2023 0:22 utc | 172
It’s simply not a great idea for any of us to talk about actions we have taken standing up to imperialism. I understand that people do what they can but remain skeptical of people who imagine that staying within the bounds of the empire’s strict rules about how one may object to their illegal conduct can achieve anything, in fact I reckon many protesters know full well how meaningless their ‘action’ is yet they persist. WTF else can one conclude?
I’ve explained my nym many times in here, simply put he’s about the only vaguely known amerikan socialist.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Feb 14 2023 1:58 utc | 190

Kadath | Feb 14 2023 1:42 utc | 187
the damage from f-35 aside from it being slow, hard to turn and guzzles 16000 pounds of jet fuel for a sort reach…..
it is so 15 years late usa and allies are flying f-16, a-10 and typhoons far beyond plan.
the reason sending western fighters to ukraine is just hot air: the planes are 15 years past their expiration date……
and f-35 is not ready to replace them ever!
and 3 [dutch?] f-35’s intercepting russian aircraft are 3 airplanes flying under draft tactical manuals, where no combat capability has been proven anywhewre, like the norweigan p-8s

Posted by: paddy | Feb 14 2023 1:59 utc | 191

NAFO’s now concerned with underwater cables. Pipeline for Internet?

Posted by: Sektion2B | Feb 14 2023 2:01 utc | 192

Russia spent $20 billion more on military spending, while NATO spent more than $100 billion more to aid Ukraine. This is a more important issue than the number of people lost.
Considering the size of China’s economy, this is actually a drain on the West relative to the Russian-Chinese alliance, so China is not in a hurry.
Chinese (bourgeoisie) was actually the biggest winner: consuming the US and firming up the Russian-Chinese alliance.
Russian nationalist bourgeoisie also gained.

Posted by: Colin | Feb 14 2023 2:06 utc | 193

I am not convinced.
There’s just nothing in B.’s narrative that counts as evidence in favor of Ukrainian planned invasion that doesn’t also count in favor of Russian planned invasion.
And I don’t remember Putin talking about Ukraine invading. He reached out to Biden and NATO demanding broad withdrawal of U.S./NATO forces from the former Soviet Union. He did not reach out specifically about preventing a Ukrainian attack on East Ukraine.
Posted by: GoFast | Feb 13 2023 23:05 utc | 144
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So GoFast, maybe “you aren’t convinced” because you only read US/UK/EU propaganda. So, now read this, or shut the “F” up.
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By Mike WHITNEY
https://strategic-culture.org/news/2023/02/09/setting-record-straight-stuff-you-should-know-about-ukraine/
On February 16, 2022, a full week before Putin sent combat troops into Ukraine, the Ukrainian Army began the heavy bombardment of the area (in east Ukraine) occupied by mainly ethnic Russians. Officials from the Observer Mission of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) were located in the vicinity at the time and kept a record of the shelling as it took place. What the OSCE discovered was that the bombardment dramatically intensified as the week went on until it reached a peak on February 19, when a total of 2,026 artillery strikes were recorded. Keep in mind, the Ukrainian Army was, in fact, shelling civilian areas along the Line of Contact that were occupied by other Ukrainians.
We want to emphasize that the officials from the OSCE were operating in their professional capacity gathering first-hand evidence of shelling in the area. What their data shows is that Ukrainian Forces were bombing and killing their own people. This has all been documented and has not been challenged.
So, the question we must all ask ourselves is this: Is the bombardment and slaughter of one’s own people an ‘act of war’?
Map from Moon of Alabama (see Feb. 21, 2022 cease fire violations map)
We think it is. And if we are right, then we must logically assume that the war began before the Russian invasion (which was launched a full week later) We must also assume that Russia’s alleged “unprovoked aggression” was not unprovoked at all but was the appropriate humanitarian response to the deliberate killing of civilians. In order to argue that the Russian invasion was ‘not provoked’, we would have to say that firing over 4,000 artillery shells into towns and neighborhoods where women and children live, is not a provocation? Who will defend that point of view?
No one, because it’s absurd. The killing of civilians in the Donbas was a clear provocation, a provocation that was aimed at goading Russia into a war. And –as we said earlier – the OSCE had monitors on the ground who provided full documentation of the shelling as it took place, which is as close to ironclad, eyewitness testimony as you’re going to get.
This, of course, is a major break with the “official narrative” which identifies Russia as the perpetrator of hostilities. But, as we’ve shown, that simply isn’t the case. The official narrative is wrong. Even so, it might not surprise you to know that most of the mainstream media completely omitted any coverage of the OSCE’s fact-finding activities in east Ukraine. The one exception to was Reuters that published a deliberately opaque account published on February 18 titled “Russia voices alarm over sharp increase of Donbass shelling”. Here’s an excerpt:
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov voiced alarm on Friday over a sharp increase in shelling in eastern Ukraine and accused the OSCE special monitoring mission of glossing over what he said were Ukrainian violations of the peace process….
Washington and its allies have raised fears that the upsurge in violence in the Donbass could form part of a Russian pretext to invade Ukraine. Tensions are already high over a Russian military buildup to the north, east and south of Ukraine.
“We are very concerned by the reports of recent days – yesterday and the day before there was a sharp increase in shelling using weapons that are prohibited under the Minsk agreements,” Lavrov said, referring to peace accords aimed at ending the conflict. “So far we are seeing the special monitoring mission is doing its best to smooth over all questions that point to the blame of Ukraine’s armed forces,” he told a news conference.
Ukraine’s military on Friday denied violating the Minsk peace process and accused Moscow of waging an information war to say that Kyiv was shelling civilians, allegations it said were lies and designed to provoke it.” (Russia voices alarm over sharp increase of Donbass shelling, Reuters)
Notice the clever way that Reuters frames its coverage so that the claims of the Ukrainian military are given as much credibility as the claims of the Russian Foreign Minister. What Reuters fails to point out is that the OSCE’s report verifies Lavrov’s version of events while disproving the claims of the Ukrainians. It is the job of a journalist to make the distinction between fact and fiction but, once again, we see how agenda-driven news is not meant to inform but to mislead. Quote: Larry C. Johnson, Son of a New Revolution.
The point we are trying to make is simple: The war in Ukraine was not launched by a tyrannical Russian leader (Putin) bent on rebuilding the Soviet Empire. That narrative is a fraud that was cobbled together by neocon spin-meisters trying to build public support for a war with Russia. The facts I am presenting here can be identified on a map of where the actual explosions took place and were then recorded by officials whose job was to fulfill that very task. Can you see the difference between the two? In one case, the storyline rests on speculation, conjecture and psychobabble; while in the other, the storyline is linked to actual events that took place on the ground and were catalogued by trained professionals in the field. In which version of events do you have more confidence?
Bottom line: Russia did not start the war in Ukraine. That is a fake narrative. The responsibility lies with the Ukrainian Army and their leaders in Kiev.
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In a very biased article for the INSIDER, Feb 15, 2022, 10:48. Putin is quoted talking about genocide in the Donbass, of course his claims were dismissed.
Russian President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday claimed, without evidence, that “genocide” is occurring in the eastern Donbas region of Ukraine, where Kremlin-backed rebels have been fighting a war with Ukrainian forces since 2014. “In our view what is now happening in Donbas is genocide,” Putin said during a joint press conference in Moscow with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, per BBC News. Similarly, Putin in December said the conflict in the Donbas “looks like genocide.”
Putin was talking about the situation in the Donbass just days before the SMO.
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Finally, this from
Donetsk-Sana 2/3/2022, 1:42:57 AM
The self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic announced that Ukraine had deployed about 120,000 of its military forces on the border with the Donbass region.
“Military and intelligence data confirm that Kiev has deployed about 120,000 of its military forces on the border with Donbass, in addition to a Western military presence represented by officers from Western countries who are coordinating with Kiev’s forces,” the Russian Sputnik news agency quoted Natalia Nikonorova, a spokeswoman for the Foreign Ministry in Donetsk.
Nikonorova stressed that these Western military supplies that arrived in Ukraine encourage the authorities in Kiev to launch a large-scale attack on Donbass.
Western countries, especially the United States, have intensified in recent weeks the supply of lethal weapons to Ukraine at a time when the authorities in Kiev and the US administration claim that Russia is amassing large forces on Ukraine’s borders, while Russia constantly asserts that there is no intention to interfere in Ukraine and that all reports that speak of this Its purpose is to escalate tension in the region and inflame the anti-Russian rhetoric, in addition to preparing to impose new economic sanctions and justify the expansion of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization towards the east, which Moscow strongly opposes and considers a threat to its national security.
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Posted by: Ed | Feb 14 2023 2:11 utc | 194

Eve | Feb 13 2023 22:55 utc | 142
“Russia is suffering population collapse and budget deficit – I wouldn’t think Moscow could last this war for very long…”
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Any source links with real numbers?
Compare Russia’s annual budget deficit of $25 billion to the US’ at $460 billion (FY 2023). In absolute terms Russia’s deficit is <5.5% or 1/18th of the US deficit. And as a percentage of GDP or PPP, Russia's deficit is still less than a third of the US'.
https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/national-deficit/
https://www.globalfirepower.com/purchasing-power-parity.php
Total debt to GDP ratio (2023) is also quite revealing. Russia has the 8th lowest debt/GDP ratio in the world, at 17.8%. The US has the 12th highest at 128%. So Russia’s debt/GDP ratio is about 1/7 that of the US. Between Washington DC and Moscow, it’s pretty clear which has more staying power, especially as the world increasingly de-dollarizes.
https://www.thebalancemoney.com/national-debt-by-year-compared-to-gdp-and-major-events-3306287#:~:text=Key%20Takeaways,to%20rise%20to%20record%20levels.
Russia’s “population collapse” is equally suspect. Show readers your data. Russia’s population has been declining, but it’s hardly collapsing, and the decline is slowing.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/debt-to-gdp-ratio-by-country

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Feb 14 2023 2:12 utc | 195

Military production was ramped on in WWII at a cost. The population was placed on rations. People saved scrap metal and bacon grease. Women went to work in the factories, men went to war.
Cars and other industrial were not made as production was switched. Sewing machine factories were switched to making machine guns and so on. Women were trained to be machinists. At times the production was shoddy. I have heard stories from B-17 crewman how the aircraft was shoddily put together at times.
All it take is money and they can print more. They can switch to digital money and use digital credits to get it done. The complexity of many items today is much greater than in WWII and that would be a constrict.
Just about everything needed can be found in the Western hemisphere. China might even help with materials and be happy if our sword is pointed at Russia.
All it will take is another 911 style event and the media will be all in. Pearl Harbor 3. Will the current population wine if they cannot get their new cell phones? Are they willing to make the sacrifice?
In my opinion the West has been goading Russia to act I believe when they do it will be a massive first strike. One cannot chip away at the Western forces arrayed for a 30 years war.
It will take a major naval engagement to start with to clear the sea lanes of Russian ships and subs if that is possible. That could be where it all starts.
Russia is too smart to fall for the goading. The question is are the Western powers going to gear up for full scale war or hope to bleed Russia using the Ukrainians and Poles as fodder? Russian can handle the Ukrainians and Poles. If the US and Western Europe goes all in they may not want to stand for that possibility and move to cut the head of the snake off.
Standing the off NATO training and weapons used by the Poles and the Ukrainians on Ukrainian territory is manageable for the Russians. The Anglo-sphere going all in is not.

Posted by: circumspect | Feb 14 2023 2:12 utc | 196

Posted by: Blissex | Feb 13 2023 23:53 utc | 160
Sure the USA could do it. But it would require the nationalization of all industry. Shareholders in late capitalism are interested in dividends from parasitism, stock-buybacks and rentier finance. They would have to paid off. It would also require nothing less than the total mobilization of the workforce. In the 1930s the factory workers were there, just unemployed. The training alone would demand a collectivization parallel to the USSR. There is a reason FDR was called a commie tyrant.
You would also need huge promises made: healthcare, housing, college tuition, etc. In short, a New Deal. Is there a Big Labor movement to arrange that? Not happening.
Now, does that environment sound conducive to a transformation of materiel output? It ain’t the 30s no more.

Posted by: Patroklos | Feb 14 2023 2:13 utc | 197

Russia is suffering population collapse and budget deficit – I wouldn’t think Moscow could last this war for very long. Moscow’s goal is preventing NATO’s dominance over the black sea but Moscow won’t indefinitely throw its people and deplete its funds.
Posted by: Eve | Feb 13 2023 22:55 utc | 142
Russia actually received a budget surplus.
Relative to 2019 levels, the fertility rate collapsed in the U.S. and rose slightly in Russia, greatly reducing the difference between the them.

Posted by: Colin | Feb 14 2023 2:14 utc | 198

Posted by: Kadath | Feb 14 2023 1:42 utc | 187
The United States had rampant corruption in World War II, only apparently it’s even worse now.

Posted by: Colin | Feb 14 2023 2:16 utc | 199

Peter AU1 @184–
Thanks for your reply, and I agree with your observation but instead of big and diverse I’d say collectively diverse over whatever sized geography. As I emphasize in my new essay, solidarity of purpose is really #1 to solve the tasks at hand.
You’ll recall my assertion that the Outlaw US Empire employs its own Terrorist Foreign Legion, well take a look at this, “US Plans to Send Terrorists to Russia and CIS Countries to Target Officials, Intel Service Says”:

US security agencies, obsessed with the “crazy idea of exsanguinating Russia,” consider it acceptable to use terrorists for their own purposes, the SVR said.
“We see a definitive loss of any moral principles in the US security services. Obsessed with the insane idea of ‘exsanguinating’ Russia, Washington’s strategists consider it acceptable to use terrorists directly for their own dirty purposes. Such actions put Washington on a par with major international terrorist groups,” the release said.

And there’s more at the link. IMO, there can no longer be any doubt that the Outlaw US Empire is the #1 Terrorist nation on the planet, must be contained and forced to live within its borders.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 14 2023 2:17 utc | 200