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February 20, 2023
Recognizing The War Is Lost The ‘West’ Seeks An Exit

U.S. President Joe Biden is in Kiev today to rescue his lunatic project of destroying Russia by proxy war. But there is no good way to do that.

A review of 'western' media shows that the inevitable outcome of the war is now recognized. The only still open alternatives are to risk a large nuclear war or to retreat from 'western' dreams of its permanent hegemony.

Few 'western' officials will admit that the war is lost, that  Russia has won in Ukraine. But it has. It had won the war when it successfully trapped the Ukrainian army into a war of attrition.

A the Russian commentator Sacha Rogers writes (in Russian, machine translation):

This war has already been won (moreover, what is most offensive for various "unrecognized geniuses", without their participation and contrary to their foolish ideas of how it should be won). It was won at the moment when, instead of a highly maneuverable war, our General Staff imposed a positional “standing” with an attrition war on the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Strictly by the textbook: Attrition warfare is a military strategy consisting of belligerent attempts to win a war by wearing down the enemy to the point of collapse through continuous losses in personnel and material.

Ukraine has already lost two armies and it is begging for a third one. But the 'West' is unable to deliver it:

Less than a quarter of the modern battle tanks the West has promised to Ukraine are likely to arrive in time to counter an anticipated Russian spring offensive.

Kyiv is expecting its supporters to send up to 320 western tanks in total but estimates suggest barely 50 will reach the front lines by the start of April, prompting concerns they will not be enough to have a substantial impact on the fighting.

The recognition that the Ukraine has lost the war is creating a panic in those quarters that are committed to 'western' uni-polarity.

The Economist warns of the loss of the 'West’s authority':

Ukraine’s future still hangs in the balance—and is likely to remain uncertain for years to come. Mr Putin may accept a ceasefire at some point out of expedience, but his overhaul of Russian society is geared entirely towards aggression abroad and repression at home. Any conceivable end to the shooting will therefore require strong Western security guarantees and large and lasting transfers of arms and financial aid—almost as if a second, much bigger Israel had appeared on Europe’s eastern borders. Some European leaders argue that requires full NATO membership. If reconstruction of Ukraine were to fail, and its economy to falter, then Ukrainian democracy would start to fail, too.

Only a third of the world’s population lives in countries that have both condemned Russia for its invasion and also imposed sanctions on it, according to the Economist Intelligence Unit, our sister organisation. Most of them are close allies of America. The rest tend to see the war as a contest between autocrats and hypocrites.

Even countries that think that Mr Putin’s invasion was reprehensible might still conclude that Western power is on the wane if it fails to succour Ukraine. But given arms, money and political support Ukraine may yet prevail. Through courage and by the power of their example, the Ukrainian people have earned that chance. There could be no better investment in Western security.

An editorial in the Washington Post is blowing the same horn:

To allow an outcome that rewards the Kremlin in any way would be a moral travesty. It would also deal a potentially lethal blow to the principle on which Western stability and civilized international conduct rests: that sovereign states cannot be invaded, subjugated and subjected to mass slaughter with impunity.

(Ever heard of Yugoslavia? Or Iraq?)

To thwart Russia and safeguard Ukraine’s sovereignty, the United States and its European allies have little choice but to intensify their military, economic and diplomatic support for Kyiv. That means equipping Ukrainian forces with more decisive weapons and in greater numbers, imposing more aggressive sanctions on Moscow and galvanizing a more muscular international coalition to isolate and ostracize Russia.

That agenda is urgent; the status quo of relatively static battle lines is untenable.

In the New York Times one David French warns that America Can’t Go ‘Wobbly’ on Ukraine:

Yet the outcome of the war is simply too important — to America as well as Ukraine — to allow our support to falter. On the war’s anniversary it’s time for a concerted effort to persuade Americans of a single idea: We should support Ukraine as much as it takes, as long as it takes, until the Russian military suffers a decisive, unmistakable defeat.

On the one side of the current discussion you have those, see above, who think of the outcome of the war in absolute terms. The U.S. must win in the proxy war it has caused, no matter what. But there are alternatives. The will require to acknowledge that the short period of U.S. global hegemony has ended. The time for multi-polarity has come.

Count Secretary of State Anthony Blinken as one who is unwilling to admit that  As soon as China 'threatened' to negotiate peace in Ukraine did he accuse it -without evidence- of aiding Russia in the war:

In his interview with NBC’s “Meet the Press,” which was taped on Saturday night for broadcast on Sunday, Mr. Blinken said the United States would soon be offering new information to demonstrate Beijing was “strongly considering providing lethal assistance to Russia.”

Mr. Wang has been using the conference in Munich as a platform to tell European leaders and diplomats that China is ready to bolster ties with them and to try to play a role in ending the war in Ukraine. In his public remarks on Saturday, he said that China would soon offer a peace proposal to stop the fighting. But Mr. Blinken warned in a separate event against the allure of cease-fires that Russia might exploit to regroup for new offensives.

China has not yet supported Russia in the war. But if Russia would seem to lose the war China would have to intervene. It would otherwise become the very next country that the U.S. would try to obliterate.

The U.S. fell into an escalation trap when it has allowed the Ukraine leadership to lead the country towards disaster:

By virtue of its decision, Ukraine, along with its closest partners in Poland and the Baltic nations, became the classic “trojan ally” — smaller countries whose desire for regional clout against the extant middle power (Russia) is predicated on their ability to persuade an external great power and its global military network (here, the US and, by extension, Nato) to step in militarily on their behalf. As we noted in our study, “this comes at great risk to the regional balancer and at great cost to the external great power”. For ultimately, the arrangement depends on “the threat of the use of force and military intervention” by that external great power, without which the regional balancer would fail.

That is exactly where we are. Ukraine's pathological hater Vladimir Zelenski is leading the U.S. into an ever deeper commitment to win by ultimately destroying Russia.

But any direct confrontation with Russia would lead to nuclear war.  The U.S. can not risk that.  It is therefore pushing Ukraine to speed up its commitment to suicide:

As the fighting continues to rage, both sides of the Atlantic fear that Russia is finding its footing, Ukraine may be overmatched in certain parts of the east and south and the West’s pipeline of weapons will slow to a trickle. Biden leaves Monday for Poland to meet with President Andrzej Duda and other key NATO leaders. U.S. officials believe that Ukraine’s defense is about to hit a critical phase with Russia launching its much-telegraphed offensive. The Biden administration has urgently pressed President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s administration to consolidate its gains — and perhaps launch its own counterstrike.

The White House has also told Zelenskyy’s team, per multiple officials, to prepare for the offensive now, as weapons and aid from Washington and Europe flow freely, for fear that backing from Ukraine’s European neighbors could be finite.

But the reality Biden will confront in Poland is that Zelenskyy has made clear that he will not negotiate until all of Ukraine’s territory is restored — all but ensuring that the war will stretch into the distant horizon.

“We’re in this for the long-haul and it’s going to grind on for quite some time,” said Rachel Rizzo, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council’s Europe Center. If Western support starts to fade away, “there’s no denying that it will have an effect on both the outcome and the length of the war.

You don't say …

The 'West' is going wobbly because it can not provide enough for long enough to give the Ukraine even a small chance to win the war:

“We will continue to try to impress upon them that we can’t do anything and everything forever,” said one senior administration official, referring to Ukraine’s leaders. The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive diplomatic matters, added that it was the administration’s “very strong view” that it will be hard to keep getting the same level of security and economic assistance from Congress.

“'As long as it takes’ pertains to the amount of conflict,” the official added. “It doesn’t pertain to the amount of assistance.”

The critical nature of the next few months has already been conveyed to Kyiv in blunt terms by top Biden officials — including deputy national security adviser Jon Finer, deputy secretary of state Wendy Sherman and undersecretary of defense Colin Kahl, all of whom visited Ukraine last month.

CIA Director William J. Burns traveled to the country one week ahead of those officials, where he briefed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on his expectations for what Russia is planning militarily in the coming months and emphasized the urgency of the moment.

Faster please, is what the U.S. is telling Ukraine. Hurry up because we will soon have to end our support.

But the Ukrainian army does not have the material and manpower ready to launch some kind of counter offense that would have a chance to be win the war. It doesn't even have enough to regain some significant territory.

The third army it would need would have to be much stronger than the two armies it has already lost. And its not coming.

So what is the 'West' going to do? Deliver more wonder weapons?

President Biden is set to travel to Poland this week to discuss Western efforts to help Ukraine resist Russia’s invasion, as pressure builds on his administration to provide Kyiv with F-16 fighter jets. Poland’s prime minister, Mateusz Morawiecki, said in a weekend interview with CBS’s “Face the Nation” he believes that eventually “there will be fighter jets from the West” — as was the case with other advanced weapons whose provision was “unimaginable” when the war began.

I have news for Mr. Morawiecki. The first F-16 flew in 1974. To think that 50 year old airplanes will have a chance against Russia's first class air defenses and fifth generation fighter planes is lunacy.

Fighter planes are flown by using trained reflexes, not by conscious decisions. Pilots get trained for that. Once those reflexes are adopted to a specific plane, and its philosophy, it takes years to retrain them for a different one. Ukrainian pilots in F-16s anytime soon is wishful thinking.

But maybe Poland, in its futile bid to be Ukraine's savior, can convince its own pilots to suicide themselves in an environment that is saturated with Su-57s fighter jets and S-400 air defenses. Or it can send its own army to the front. The U.S. would surely welcome another country's commitment to suicide for the greater good of its dollar hegemony.

But I don't think that it will come to that.

The U.S. needs an exit strategy from the war. To recognize that the only alternative is total war and nuclear annihilation, as the Economist, WaPo and NYT opinions imply, is the first step to developing one.

Comments

“Mr Putin may accept a ceasefire at some point out of expedience, but his overhaul of Russian society is geared entirely towards aggression abroad and repression at home.”
The Economist.
Oh dear, its fallen so far.
The projection or deflection in the above is Phenomenal.
Replace Putin with a US president of the last two decades and its far away more accurate. In any one of a half dozen countries.
No awareness again by western media.

Posted by: jpc | Feb 20 2023 18:05 utc | 101

This is only way to deter the Anglo American menace: put the fear of God in them that they will receive a taste of their own medicine, if they go too far.
Posted by: ak74 | Feb 20 2023 17:36 utc | 99
It looks like that won’t happen. The BRICS currency did not appear, next talks at the end of summer. Even Zely spanked China today, something if China helps Russia in any way then WW3 will start. So the pe..s piano player threatens China with war if they don’t fight Russia. Is he really crazy or China is another fictional opponent of US, in an fictional competition for propaganda reasons? Like the United States of Europe.

Posted by: rk | Feb 20 2023 18:07 utc | 102

It’s my belief that as long as Washington can use debt to fund its deficit spending, the Ukrainian Civil War will continue. What stops Washington sending ‘lawyers, guns, and money’ to Kiev is de-dollarization.
Therefore the only path to peace is De-Dollarization.
Just my thoughts fellow Barflies
Posted by: Exile | Feb 20 2023 17:12 utc
And by God we’ll know it when it happens.
And our kids especially.
What’s that Hemingway line about bankruptcy.
It happens gradually.
Then all at once!

Posted by: jpc | Feb 20 2023 18:12 utc | 103

Martyanov has recently pointed out that Russia has an excellent netcentric battle system that provides pseudo-real-time communication and target selection to Russian tanks and other units. This rapid decision-making capability allows Russia to get within the OODA loop of the Ukrainian and NATO sheep-dipped units.
https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=YYPO-4zXZY4&embeds_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fblogspot.com%2F&feature=emb_logo
See John Boyd’s OODA theory for further information: \https://warroom.armywarcollege.edu/special-series/great-strategists/boyd-OODA-loop-great-strategists/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUF6U1h6Sh8
This advantage applies to the potential for a Russian offensive in the near term as the NATO advantage in satellite coverage of the battlespace will be mostly neutralized from 2-26-2023 through 3-5-2023 due to heavy cloud cover.
https://www.ventusky.com/?p=47.7;33.3;5&l=temperature-2m&t=20230306/0000
Without NATO-supplied intelligence the Russian army can use stealthy maneuver warfare to overwhelm Ukraine forces at designated points along the line of contact. Ukraine fifth columnists can still communicate Russian positions unless cell phone systems are also jammed. Drones can still play a part in the local environment, although Russia has an overwhelming advantage.
The ventusky.com maps indicate that the ground is thawing on the surface over this cloudy time period causing off-road difficulties for armored vehicles.
Thus the near-term advantage goes to Russian forces in the static front meat grinder war and to some extent for localized advances/envelopment actions.

Posted by: Krollchem | Feb 20 2023 18:19 utc | 104

” I said officers.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 20 2023 16:47 utc | 86 ”
This might come as a shock but Wagner officers have no more leeway then the troops. When the order from Wagner high command comes in they have to follow it no matter what.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Feb 20 2023 18:21 utc | 105

” And i love the idea that losing 9000 sq km of land against a well publicised invasion in a couple of weeks and then winning some 6000 sq km of land a few months later represented some huge success by Ukraine. It either represented a horrendous defeat at the beginning, or we should re-assess what “taking undefended land with a few troops and then not digging in” actually means.
Posted by: Mickey Droy | Feb 20 2023 17:12 utc | 96 ”
I think you’re missing the point. The mere fact that a corrupt nation with a shrinking population is able to last , for a year, against a ” superpower ” is a win. Russia should have had this operation completed in a month. The current circus on Russia’s part is embarrassing.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Feb 20 2023 18:26 utc | 106

I have just now been speaking with an interpreter of Polish who also knows Russian (he’s a Sweed). That person claimes the ukrainians and Polaks that are to interpreted for all ar posessed by the insistence that thay are “Westerners — i.e., West Europeans. True because the geographic centre of the European continent lies in SE Lithuania, but culturally true? — only if they feel belonging to the thraldom imposed on them by the faith excreted out of Rome: Have they o kennedom of where Christianity first came to the Rus?

Posted by: Tollef Ås/秋涛乐/טלפ וש | Feb 20 2023 18:30 utc | 107

deplorable com @106
what about tearing through $100 billion in us military gifts and running their plan is ‘embarrassing’?

Posted by: paddy | Feb 20 2023 18:38 utc | 108

exile @95
u$$a debt problem is huge burden even if de-dollaring takes longer.
total u$$a debt is more than $30 trillion, and u$$a central bank has $6 trillion of it
now u$$a has inflation because too many $$!
borrowing more is more inflation, which even the u$$a central bank cannot stand.
u$$a $$, euro, pound, and yen are devaluing by inflation, too much printed fiat.
commodity/industry countries are going gold, and dumping u$$a notes….
more billion for Biden proxy war speeding decline of u$$a and the $$

Posted by: paddy | Feb 20 2023 18:54 utc | 109

Contractors will fly the F16. Eric Prince said on Bannons Warroom 10 months ago that he from early on offered a no-fly-zone over Ukraine with his guys flying to the Biden admin but they refused.

Posted by: HeinrichL | Feb 20 2023 18:57 utc | 110

@ Deplorable Commissar | Feb 20 2023 18:21 utc | 105
Oh dear, I should have said Wagner high command instead of officers.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 20 2023 19:09 utc | 111

I was watching DW News a couple of hours ago and they allowed a female commentator to say that Ukraine can’t win this war, and why it can’t.
The big danger for the dumbass Yankees was always going to be the likelihood that NATO/OTAN/ZATO would be exposed as a useless herd of pussies and collapse in dissarray.
Fingers crossed…

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 20 2023 19:18 utc | 112

@109
prince may find pilots to fly f-16 or tornadoes….
but a-comedian or Poland would need to have airfields, fuel facilities, weapons servicing and the $400,000 missiles from Biden.
and dozens of on file techs trained on the object jet.
and a bunch of spare parts which are scarce bc the old jets should be retired but f-35 don’t work.
logistics is a rare talent not used by the empire

Posted by: paddy | Feb 20 2023 19:21 utc | 113

” what about tearing through $100 billion in us military gifts and running their plan is ‘embarrassing’?
Posted by: paddy | Feb 20 2023 18:38 utc | 108 ”
The plan was to goad Russia into making the first move, Therefore, the plan was successful. As far as money goes, as long as China and Russia keep buying US debt and using dollars money is no object. In fact, what currency does Iran take for its oil sales ? Venezuela ? Saudi Arabia ?

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Feb 20 2023 19:21 utc | 114

” Oh dear, I should have said Wagner high command instead of officers.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 20 2023 19:09 utc | 111 ”
Yes, you should have as its the high command sending waves of Wagnerites into suicidal frontal attacks.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Feb 20 2023 19:24 utc | 115

Nice article.
The utter lack of thought, from realistically sizing up you opponent to the mechanics of strategy is evidenced by the reality now observed . Not every campaign to overthrow a sitting leader using cookie cutter tactics succeed . Amateur hour in war is a disaster. The west has traveled down the road of lamented action, that will never be admitted. And therefore nothing will be learned.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 20 2023 19:30 utc | 116

The great NATO army fought for 21 years the herdsmen in Afghanistan with no real weapons and no real training until they finally ran away in panic. Watch how Zelensky shares the fate of Ashraf Ghani and flees on a plane with suitcases full of cash.
Posted by: Vikichka | Feb 20 2023 16:20 utc | 71

There was no “panic” just incompetence (bad intel) or corruption. I still think that the possibility of a side-deal with the Taliban deserves exploration.
Previously the Taliban shut down heroin production, much of which was smuggled into Russia as part of the efforts to weaken the country. Perhaps the revived Taliban agreed not to disrupt this activity.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 20 2023 19:30 utc | 117

I don’t know who pays his bills, but Anatol believes that Russia lost the war in the first three weeks.
Lobelog used to be a go to for me, but now insanity reigns at the site’s re-incarnation.
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2023/02/20/russia-was-defeated-in-the-first-three-weeks/

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Feb 20 2023 19:33 utc | 118

” Previously the Taliban shut down heroin production, much of which was smuggled into Russia as part of the efforts to weaken the country. Perhaps the revived Taliban agreed not to disrupt this activity.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 20 2023 19:30 utc | 117 ”
Easy way to check that. Has the price of Heroin exploded around the world ? If not, there’s your answer.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Feb 20 2023 19:35 utc | 119

Exile @95–
Yes, Big Picture-wise dedollarization is the key to RoW’s freedom. But there’s a limit as to how many dollars the Empire can print to finance its wars as the Dollarzone shrinks and inflation continues to mount because of the continual dollar printing and repatriation of overseas dollars. The problem lies with the public’s willingness to submit to further debasement, which it clearly won’t. At some point a political critical mass will be reached and the status quo will snap, the only real questions are exactly how and when.
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There’s a very illuminating segment in the passage from The Economist b chose to cite that admits the true nature of Occupied Palestine as an artificial enclave implanted by the West to destabilize Southwest Asia, which is what the West is now using Ukraine for in Eastern Europe:
“Any conceivable end to the shooting will therefore require strong Western security guarantees and large and lasting transfers of arms and financial aid—almost as if a second, much bigger Israel had appeared on Europe’s eastern borders. Some European leaders argue that requires full NATO membership.” [My Emphasis]
Quite curious that bit of truth emerged amidst the sea of lies in the overall passage. From all the material b supplied plus the remainder that he didn’t, it’s painfully clear that Russia will need to liberate all former Imperial Russian lands and the ethnic Russians there within Ukraine, and perhaps the Baltics later depending if they’re also used as NATO cannon fodder. As I mentioned in my comment yesterday upon reviewing Putin’s 24 February speech, that political road has already been opened but as yet not further articulated. IMO, Putin will make that another feature of the SMO on Russia’s way to rolling NATO back to its 1997 configuration (which was to be accomplished via a military technical operation in the December 2021 proposal if not done voluntarily) that will include no NATO nation abutting Russia, including its reconstituted borders. However, as I also wrote, the big future issue is how to implement the indivisible security principle once this ordeal is finished.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 20 2023 19:59 utc | 120

@114 Deplorable
Troll or dimwit? Not sure yet.
Russia and China and a few other nations are busy using toxic usd to buy bullion so…no. Few countries still buying sure.
Most of the oil-rich countries NOT in the western sphere are using other forms of currency. Yeah NOT usd’s again.
Going to be a serious wave soon.

Posted by: safe | Feb 20 2023 20:00 utc | 121

@119 Deplorable
What do you pay for your packets dude?
Is it more or not?

Posted by: safe | Feb 20 2023 20:03 utc | 122

Opport Knocks | Feb 20 2023 19:30 utc | 117
“There was no “panic” just incompetence (bad intel) or corruption.”
I think so too. As such, the NATO war in Afghanistan could have gone on for decades. But it had to be wrapped up before NATO could begin its war in Ukraine. In hindsight, it looks like an absolute prerequisite, and both the timing and the sheer carelessness with wich the withdrawal from Afghanistan was done (Ukraine much more important than Afghanistan) fit very nicely.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Feb 20 2023 20:15 utc | 123

@ karlof1 | Feb 20 2023 19:59 utc | 121
thanks for pointing that out karlof1.. i too thought it was especially illuminating… they are giving themselves away in that paragraph.

Posted by: james | Feb 20 2023 20:20 utc | 124

# 120 During WW2 the Soviets suffered millions of casualties against the Germans. That is a testament to the tenacity of the Russian spirit. Maybe the western generals forgot this bit of history, in relation to this current conflict.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 20 2023 20:31 utc | 125

” lasting transfers of arms and financial aid—almost as if a second, much bigger Israel had appeared on Europe’s eastern borders. Some European leaders argue that requires full NATO membership.”
Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 20 2023 19:59 utc | 121 ”
Its not like they havent been telling us about New Khazaria all along.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Feb 20 2023 20:31 utc | 126

” Troll or dimwit? Not sure yet.
Russia and China and a few other nations are busy using toxic usd to buy bullion so…no. Few countries still buying sure.
Most of the oil-rich countries NOT in the western sphere are using other forms of currency. Yeah NOT usd’s again.
Going to be a serious wave soon.
Posted by: safe | Feb 20 2023 20:00 utc | 122 ”
Neither a troll nor an dimwit, but you seem to be a condescending idiot high on your own supply of copium. Wake me when all those nations drop the dollar completely, till then you’re just engaging in wishful thinking.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Feb 20 2023 20:34 utc | 127

Is the US going to sabotage the German electrical lines next?
Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 20 2023 16:45 utc | 83
In the old days, it was goons with baseball bats and Molotov cocktails selling “insurance” to local businesses.
As long as Germany keeps buying liquefied gas and F-15-bombers at obscenely inflated prices from America, Germany’s electrical lines will be safe.

Posted by: Marvin | Feb 20 2023 20:39 utc | 128

” # 120 During WW2 the Soviets suffered millions of casualties against the Germans. That is a testament to the tenacity of the Russian spirit. Maybe the western generals forgot this bit of history, in relation to this current conflict.
Posted by: Dingo | Feb 20 2023 20:31 utc | 126 ”
Its also a testament to threat of death, gulags, and political commissars, very similar to whats happening in Ukraine.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Feb 20 2023 20:42 utc | 129

Dingo no. 126
Quote from a world war 2 novel i am currently reading:
“There is a two-sided sign in the Lithuanian city of Vilnius. On the western side of the sign it says “in june of 1812, Napoleon Bonaparte passed this way with 600,000 men”.
On the eastern side of the sign it says ” in november of 1812 Napoleon Bonaparte passed this way with 600 men”.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Feb 20 2023 20:44 utc | 130

@ Posted by: Vikichka | Feb 20 2023 16:20 utc | 71
Nonsense. The US was not humiliated militarily in Afghanistan, and the geopolitical implications of the withdrawal were only that more money and weapons could be spent on great power confrontation with Russia and China. Whenever US soldiers fought, and whenever they were able to use combined arms tactics, they succeeded in defeating the Taliban. The US’s strategy in Afghanistan actually more closely mirrors the Russian strategy in Ukraine: avoid large, sustained, offensives even when the manpower and means are there, and favor the use of PMCs and local forces during offensives to avoid big casualty lists back home.

Posted by: fnord | Feb 20 2023 20:56 utc | 131

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Feb 20 2023 19:33 utc | 118
Seems like Washington DC based ziocon think tank. They are trying to compare Russian doctrine to blitzkrieg failures immediately giving everything away. And then google the editors working there. They also use the false information of Russia attacking with 200 000 soldiers (they didn’t even with half of that) and base premises on false CIA induced reports.

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 20 2023 21:20 utc | 132

«Biden is in Kiev today to rescue his lunatic project of destroying Russia by proxy war. But there is no good way to do that. A review of ‘western’ media shows that the inevitable outcome of the war is now recognized»
I think the USA planners were always sure that the field war would be lost by Ukraine, given the enormous disparity in means and in the length of the relative supply lines (the Russian Federation is fighting near their borders, the ukrainian government supply lines stretch back to the UK, the USA and Germany). The goal I guess was always to ensure that Ukraine lost the war as bloodily as possible, as phase 1 of the plan, followed by phase 2, many years of insurgency and terrorism by vengeful ruthenians/ukranians, operating from safe bases inside NATO countries, Finland, Poland, Romania, and Georgia etc.
The takeover of Ukraine took the USA 10-15 years, they will patiently wear down the RF via their ukrainian (and other) proxies for another several decades if needed.

Posted by: Blissex | Feb 20 2023 21:24 utc | 133

It must be noted that China’s top diplomat Wang Yi arrives in Russia today. Toady’s Global Times editorial says:
“According to Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Wang’s visit to Russia has two main focuses: first, focusing on the development of China-Russia relations of the next stage; second, having an in-depth exchange of views on international and regional hotspot issues of shared concern. In the face of an increasingly fragile and imbalanced international security situation, as two major powers neighboring each other, the healthy and stable development of bilateral relations is beneficial to world peace.”
So, Putin and team will get vital input from their #1 partner as Putin puts the final touches on tomorrow’s speech, which Wang Yi will likely attend. China via the editorial issued a very strong pro-Russia/Anti-Outlaw US Empire stance as the following shows:

The US has been wearing thick tinted glasses to view China-Russia friendly ties from the very beginning, and has become even more aggressive in this regard after the outbreak of the Russia-Ukraine conflict, as if it has found a “moral” excuse. However, it is neither qualified nor credible to do so. In fact, regardless of whether there is a conflict between Russia and Ukraine, the US, from the bottom of its heart, has never wanted to see the development of China-Russia relations. The suspicions, provocation, and sabotage from Washington toward China-Russia ties have never stopped, and now they have reached a peak because of the conflict. The US strategic community once seriously discussed the possibility of containing China with Russia’s help a few years ago. Former president Donald Trump had made relevant attempts during his term in office, which shows that Washington’s thoughts on China-Russia relations have never been pure, and always mixed with dark geopolitical calculations, which can hardly be hidden even if Washington puts up a hypocritical mask now.
Due to similar geopolitical calculations, the US has repeatedly added fuel to the fire and instigated confrontation in the conflict between Russia and Ukraine, which is the root cause of the continuous bloodshed on the European continent. However, the development of China’s relations with other countries has always been frank and open. Just as Wang mentioned during a recent meeting with Blinken, the China-Russia comprehensive strategic partnership of coordination for a new era is built on the basis of non-alliance, non-confrontation and non-targeting of third countries, which is within the sovereign right of any two independent states. We do not accept the US’ finger-pointing or even coercion targeting China-Russia relations.

I know Russia respects China’s position, while China also understands Russia’s. The problem as I’ve pointed to several times now and again in my comment above is how to implement the basic security principle that China and Russia both champion–indivisible security–when the other side vehemently opposes it because doing so means the end of its hegemony. Global Times also has this analytical article dealing with Wang Yi’s visit and overall Russia-China relations showing China sees through the Empire’s sophomoric attempt to link China to the Ukraine War that the Empire began in 2014, which is how China has repeatedly stated it understands the issue. Unfortunately, no matter how hard China tries to get negotiations going between Russia and the Kiev regime it will fail in those attempts as long as Ukraine refuses to talk.
Being mature about this event, most barflies know negotiating with Kiev is pointless when it’s ruled from Washington and thus it’s the latter that must negotiate despite all the confusion the latter attempts to sow. IMO, the RoW also understands that aspect too, which is why only 1/8th of the globe actually support the Empire’s entire illegal sanction regime, not the 1/3 cited above. Achieving indivisible security is easy for China to do with its neighbors because it has close economic relations with all, with the only real problem being with India, and that’s easily solved. As for Japan and the Koreas, China knows the Outlaw US Empire is at the root of all relationship issues, indeed all relationship issues globally. IMO, China is also wise enough to know that Xi’s Global Security Initiative will only gain complete global acceptance once the Outlaw US Empire changes its behavior and ceases its hegemonic aspirations, and that is what deters progress within Europe and elsewhere.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 20 2023 21:27 utc | 134

«“sovereign states cannot be invaded, subjugated and subjected to mass slaughter with impunity.”
(Ever heard of Yugoslavia? Or Iraq?)»
Ever head of the people of the Donbas? Refused their UN Charter right to self-determination, and then “invaded, subjugated and subjected to mass slaughter with impunity.”.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/05/10/ukra-m10.html
«10 May 2014
With the open support of Washington and its European allies, the regime installed by Washington and Berlin in last February’s fascist-led putsch is now extending its reign of terror against all popular resistance in Ukraine. That is the significance of the events in the major eastern Ukrainian city of Mariupol yesterday. After tanks, armoured personnel carriers and heavily armed troops were unleashed on unarmed civilians in the city, the Kiev regime claimed to have killed some 20 people. The Obama administration immediately blamed the violent repression on “pro-Russian separatists.”»
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/least-among-us-war-donbas-terrorizing-ukraines-most-vulnerable-citizens/
«The deep anger toward both Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko (I was told by one young woman, a native of Donetsk, that “this is Poroshenko’s war”) and an equally deep sense of alienation from the Ukrainian state in Kiev are equally unmistakable. One young mother told us “there is no ‘back’ to Ukraine for Donbas.” If Poroshenko and his cheerleaders in the Obama administration and the US Congress believe that an economic blockade, Kiev’s deployment of snipers, the shelling of Donbas’s civilians and a proposal to send American weapons with which to facilitate the shelling is the recipe for winning eastern Ukrainian “hearts and minds” they couldn’t be more wrong. Yet, tellingly, this is the strategy Poroshenko himself laid out last November in a speech in which he declared: “Our children will go to schools and kindergartens, theirs will be holed up in the basements. Because they are not able to do a thing. This is exactly how we will win this war!” Well, he may have half the job done. The little children we saw are indeed cowering in filthy conditions in underground Soviet-era bomb shelters.»
I seem to understand that the putinistas don’t like to talk about the USA-Ukraine brutalization of the people of the Donbas, and prefer to talk about NATO encroachment, because Putin took 8 years to help the people of the Donbas counter-attack against their tormentors, but 8 years is still better than never.

Posted by: Blissex | Feb 20 2023 21:31 utc | 135

«the people of the Donbas? Refused their UN Charter right to self-determination, and then “invaded, subjugated and subjected to mass slaughter with impunity.”»
Just as previously the south ossetes were subjected to the same by the fascist georgian government of Sakaashvili (the Abkhazi were repressed but not quite as viciously as the ossetes).

Posted by: Blissex | Feb 20 2023 21:34 utc | 136

«U.S. President Joe Biden is in Kiev today to …»
To show that the USA president has the freedom of the skies of the world, and can travel without risk to the frontline of the USA proxy-war against the RF, a few dozen miles from the RF borders, while the president of the RF does not dare to go to international meetings for fear of ending up like the President of Bolivia forced to land in an USA base.
It is a sheer demonstration of power, like the wrecking of RF allies Yugoslavia and Syria, to show that being RF allies is worth less than nothing, or the contemporary spectacle of the regular bombing of RF cities, while the stock prices of USA oil and military corporates are booming.
All in all I think that the RF has good chances of not getting wrecked as the USSR was, but it will be hard work.
The people who think that the USA is about to collapse are as deluded as those who in 1929 thought that the Great Depression meant the end of capitalism, or the 2008 Great Recession meant the end of the USA already. The fundamentals are good for the USA elites: they still have lots of natural resources, for now self-sufficient in fuels and cereals, with a large and increasingly cheaper work force, and lots of technological advances, they still control most fuel and cereal producers outside the USA, they still can afford to have hundreds of military bases around the world, imperial overstretch is not yet there. As they know their only potential rival is the PRC, and they are shifting their focus to it, and in their cold war against the PRC the RF is just a stepping stone.

Posted by: Blissex | Feb 20 2023 21:51 utc | 137

@karlof1 | Feb 20 2023 19:59 utc | 121

“Any conceivable end to the shooting will therefore require strong Western security guarantees and large and lasting transfers of arms and financial aid—almost as if a second, much bigger Israel had appeared on Europe’s eastern borders. Some European leaders argue that requires full NATO membership.”

I’ve been struggling to find a reason why the Ukrainian state was using such wasteful tactics. When Madeleine Albright said that deaths of 500k Iraqi children was worth it, she was talking about her enemy’s children. The Ukrainian state is culling its own citizens. I had come to a provisional conclusion that those in power didn’t care as long as they were earning cash/resources. That highlighted sentence in the extract you quoted suggests that depopulation might be another goal.

Posted by: cirsium | Feb 20 2023 21:55 utc | 138

Why hurry? Attrition is a strategy of subtraction getting closer to zero. That stands for any armies pushed into this conflict.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 20 2023 21:56 utc | 139

@Matthew, #74:

It seems a human condition that empires fall to corruption first. Look at America – it has this bloated military budget but much of it is ineffective and/or inferior for this type of battle. It is a sea and air power, and even its bloated air carriers could all get wiped out with hypersonic missiles.

I don’t know where you hail from Matthew. If you live in America, you’ve been blind; if you live elsewhere, you just haven’t kept up with what’s happening in the USA, or your news media haven’t informed you well enough. The Empire has fallen to corruption for quite a while already. Not just the military, its healthcare system is broken; its utility sector is broken; its legal profession is broken; its education system is broken; its federal/state/local governance system (including the police and criminal justice systems) is broken; its religious institutes are broken. The only sector I can think of still functioning well is the agricultural sector. Bless their heart our farmers are still keeping us well fed (with migrant farm workers’ help from Latin America).
All these broken pieces of institutions are on the cusp of revealing themselves. I’m in my mid-70’s but I’m still afraid that I will live long enough to witness and experience the hardship when the revelations come. Any day now.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 20 2023 22:13 utc | 140

b: “But I don’t think that it will come to that.”
Good luck with that, b.
The fact that Biden is STILL, at this insane stage, pushing Ukraine to intensify the war clearly shows that the US is still all in. The US is totally under the control of the neocons and the Deep state and the MIC. There is no turning back. The only possible way for the US to turn back now is one of two possibilities: 1) the Republicans put together enough opposition to defund the war – and even then there is no guarantee the neocons and the CIA won’t find a way to continue it; or 2) the Pentagon stages a coup – which is highly unlikely.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 20 2023 22:29 utc | 141

#141. The repercussions of the resolution of this conflict are unknown. What is known is that this is not a new development for humanity. Fear, anxiety, uncertainty, a change in how things used to be. It sounds like you have your sanity. If you have your health, that’s all you need.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 20 2023 22:32 utc | 142

Imagine…Every time a US serviceman dies the state collects millions in insurance. The surviving family get a cut. The system works became the US keeps the casualties in a manageable amount. Dead Souls. The US is underwriting the payout to the Ukie state for its dead men. Politicians are often underwriters in this system perhaps?

Posted by: Wokechoke | Feb 20 2023 22:37 utc | 143

China has not yet supported Russia in the war. But …
Posted by: Vikichka | Feb 20 2023 14:36 utc | 41
China has been “supporting” the RF economy before and during the war. CN, RU, KSA have stakes in a couple of refinery projects, and last leg of RU pipeline from Siberia to Shanghai is nearly complete. Besides consumer goods, autos, land and ocean freight, electronics, agri, etc, they launched bi-latter currency settlement around the same time Putin handed the EU the RUB ultimatum. India has followed with less fanfare by trading in both currencies. I’m not up to date on interbank clearing international network of the SPFS and CBIPS a/o CYE 2022 but haven’t seen any biz press reporting predicting G7-induced MIR sudden-death syndrome.
Given threats against trade in “dual-use” goods (which might as well be everything) said to be “financing” PUTIN’s BRUTAL WAR AGAINST UKRAINIAN WORLD CIVILIZATION, I assume, the Price Cap Coalition has lost control of the narrative, because all they’ve got left is sending Treasury agents into the jungle to break knee caps to enforce “compliance”. (I’d be surprised as hell if LaGarde (i.e. France) let the momos kick China out of IMF and SWIFT. Very. G7 needs access to CBOC liquidity more than RF does. The banksters learned that in ’09. Who else would bail ’em out). I’ll drop this sketch of the “multipolar” world again. (I’m not going to pick the “weak links” but will say this: BR’s big ideas for one-currency are not materializing any time soon.)
– All acroymns are dot top-level country domains
* dialog, observer, or applicant status
EAS (2005 East Asia Summit): CN, RU, IN, KR, ASEAN; US, AU, JP, NZ
SCO (2001 NGO): CN, RU, IN, PK, KZ, KG, TJ, UZ, IR, AM*, AF*, AZ*, BY*, TR*, LK*, KH*, SA*,EG*
EaEU (2012 FTA): AM, BY, KZ, KG, TJ, RU, VN*, CN*, RS*
BRICS (2009 FTA): CN, RU, BR, IN, ZA; AR*, DZ*, EG*, ID*, IR*, CM*, ML*, SN*, TH*, UZ*, FJ*, ET*, KZ*, NG*
APEC (1989 FTA): CN, CN-hk, CN-tw, RU, ID, SG, VN, TH, PH, MX, PE, CL, BN, PG, MY, KR; US, AU, JP, NZ, CA
CPEC (2015 FTA): CN, PK, MN*, RU*, KZ*, KG*, TJ*, AF*, IN*
UTLC (2018 TNC): CN, KZ, RU, BY
INSTC (2000 TNC): AM, AZ, BY, BG, IN, IR, KZ, KG, OM, RU, TJ, TR, UA, SY

Posted by: sln2002 | Feb 20 2023 22:42 utc | 144

Posted by: Blissex | Feb 20 2023 21:51 utc | 138
Biden has
to ask the Russians permissionto go to Kiev, like a child at school has to ask the teacher for permission to go to the bathroom.

Posted by: Passerby | Feb 20 2023 22:47 utc | 145

cirsium @139–
Thanks for your reply. Given the goal of selling all land to Neoliberal Parasites the secondary goal was to remove those who would dispute such sales as several have articulated. Negating that is one of the reasons why IMO Russia will liberate all former Imperial Russian lands and the Ukrainian artificial construct will be removed from the table and remanded to existing only in history books. Such an outcome is also required to force the Outlaw US Empire/NATO to eat all its Ukrainian contributions which will have an outcome similar to Germany’s inability to pay the reparations levied upon it after WW1 that caused the Great Depression. Yes, Big Picture consequences. And adding to that is Crooke’s latest, “An Unexpected Insight (for the Élite): The U.S. May Be the Biggest Loser in the War on Russia”, which agrees with my POV that Hersh’s source’s angst is aimed at Biden:

But then Seymour Hersh finally says out loud, an unspoken harsh reality – one with hugely complicated political consequences (taken from Hersh’s subsequent interview with Berliner Zeitung, (Google translation) [Link at original]). No, not the Nord Stream sabotage (we knew that), but that of reckless misjudgment and rising anger in Washington – and contempt for Biden and his close team of neocons’ immature political judgements.
It’s not just that the Biden Team ‘blew up the pipelines’; they’re proud of that! It’s not just that Biden was prepared to eviscerate the competitive ability and employment prospects of Europe for the next decade (some will applaud). The explosive part of the narrative was that “At some point after the Russians invaded, and the sabotage was done… (these are people who work in top positions in the intelligence services, and are well trained): They turned against the project. They thought it crazy”.
“There was a lot of anger among those involved” noted Hersh. Initially, Biden’s Nord Stream narrative – ‘it will not happen’ – was understood by the Intel ‘pros’ as simple leverage (linked to a then prospective Russian invasion) – an invasion which Washington knew was coming, because the U.S. was prepping Ukrainians furiously – precisely in order to trigger the Russian invasion.
Yet the Nord Stream sabotage was postponed – from June until September 2022 – months after the invasion had happened. So, what then was the point of crippling the European industrial base through imposing sky-high energy costs on it? What was the rationale? And there was more anger at Biden’s Team members ‘shooting their mouths’ about Nord Stream, effectively boasting ‘damn right, yes, we ordered it’.

Those of us able to see the Big Picture knew whoever became POTUS in the 2020 election was going to be confronted with a losing proposition almost across the board as the Empire’s decline is terminal yet goes ignored by the authors of that decline–neocons and neoliberals. Biden has lost again and again and for his political 2024 chances desperately needed a win of some sort. Unfortunately, the win Biden and his neocon’s perceive is yet another loss, which makes the Empire’s decline all the more terminal, although not existential as Crooke believes–the Outlaw US Empire will still exist until it’s overturned internally, but the remaining political entity will still be an Empire for that’s what it’s been since its outset, with only the Outlaw aspect hopefully vanquished.
Crooke’s essay has further content to discuss as there’s the European aspect to explore, but I’ll end my commentary for now.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 20 2023 22:55 utc | 146

#146. Thanks for the link&insight.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 20 2023 23:01 utc | 147

The Biden administration could be claiming that China is violating norms by supporting Russia with military aid so as to foam the runway for when the AFU is seen by the world as being unable to resist the Russian forces.
Remember how Hillary Clinton would have defeated Donald Trump if not for Russia! aiding him? Me neither, because that never happened, but literally the same people who still make that claim today will need all the ammo they can get so as to have a straight face when arguing Ukraine would have defeated Russia, except China!, and Iran!, and Putin Puppets!, and so on.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Feb 20 2023 23:02 utc | 148

re: The ‘West’ is going wobbly
US support of Ukraine is no longer “ironclad” it is “unwavering and unflagging.”
Statement from President Joe Biden on Travel to Kyiv, Ukraine
As the world prepares to mark the one-year anniversary of Russia’s brutal invasion of Ukraine, I am in Kyiv today to meet with President Zelenskyy and reaffirm our unwavering and unflagging commitment to Ukraine’s democracy, sovereignty, and territorial integrity. . .here
unwavering: steady or resolute; not wavering.
unflagging: tireless: persistent
Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 20 2023 14:25 utc | 33
Nice try; try your luck tomorrow and play again.
Your first mistake was think Bydin was in the Uke. Well, he likely thought he was in the Uke, but he was really in Poland – complete with fake air raid sirens. ( there was no presidential security there in the shot of him walking with Z, and a sitting US President certain would not be out in the open if there really was a danger of middle or aircraft). But hey you keep believing what you want, and just maybe some day it might come true.
However, my magic 8 ball says doubtful…

Posted by: drsmith | Feb 20 2023 23:29 utc | 149

@128
YOU were the one sounding so condescending and all matter-of-factly even though you didn’t realize that the answer to all your questions was NOT the usd. It’s real and it’s happening now so try and cope will ya?

Posted by: safe | Feb 20 2023 23:34 utc | 150

@138blistex
Where do you get your main delusions from? The usa is insolvent right now but b/c the petrodollar gives them AND their elites freedom others don’t have they can mouse-click to infinity, or when the world says stop. That will be gone in 5 years or less. You seem to be yet another usa cheerleader with NO sense to realize that the world has had enough. For real this time.

Posted by: safe | Feb 20 2023 23:43 utc | 151

When this war is finally over and a triumphant Russia stands upon the wreckage of Ukraine, NATO and the EU, it will be regarded as the biggest intelligence failure in the history of the United States (and there have been some really big ones in the past). It seems clear that American leaders assumed that the Russian military was weak and unprofessional and would be easily defeated by a well-prepared Ukrainian military and also that the Russian economy would collapse under the weight of extreme economic sanctions. Both assumptions have proved to be utterly false.
Which begs the question of whether the failure is one of intelligence or intellect. Were the analyses which came from the intelligence gathering agencies wrong, or were the analyses right and the people receiving them wrong in how they interpreted the data (i.e. faulty intellect)? Did the decision-makers, in fact, simply ignore intel that did not conform to a pre-existing agenda? Or was the intel filtered or massaged prior to being presented so as to make it conform to that agenda, as happened in the Iraq War? Time will tell, but the damage that the western alliance has done to itself will not be easily undone.

Posted by: Rob | Feb 21 2023 0:30 utc | 152

To show that the USA president has the freedom of the skies of the world, and can travel without risk to the frontline of the USA proxy-war against the RF, a few dozen miles from the RF borders,
Posted by: Blissex | Feb 20 2023 21:51 utc | 13
Biden travelled by train, as do all Western leaders going to Kiev, even though he had Putin’s agreement. Must have been humiliating for an old guy like that having to sit for 10 hours in a train.

Posted by: laguerre | Feb 21 2023 0:34 utc | 153

#. 152 in the lofty positions of the collective west “heads will roll “

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 21 2023 0:49 utc | 154

The plan was to goad Russia into making the first move, Therefore, the plan was successful. As far as money goes, as long as China and Russia keep buying US debt and using dollars money is no object. In fact, what currency does Iran take for its oil sales ? Venezuela ? Saudi Arabia ?
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Feb 20 2023 19:21 utc | 114
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“as long as China and Russia keep buying US debt”??!!
In you dreams, you have all those wonderfull things. Keep dreaming!

Posted by: Chen Laoshi | Feb 21 2023 0:54 utc | 155

“Russia should have had this operation completed in a month. The current circus on Russia’s part is embarrassing.”
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Feb 20 2023 18:26 utc | 106
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So, how long did it take the US to defeat the decrepit and all but destroyed militia forces in Iraq?
Then there was Afghanistan, it took 20 years to “NOT” defeat an army wearing sandals and using ancient weapons and whatever they could capture on the battlefield: The US military ran like hyenas.
The US, with all its modern and sophisticated weapons, could lick a peasant population in Vietnam.
So, what the f**k is your point.

Posted by: Ed | Feb 21 2023 1:09 utc | 156

The US, with all its modern and sophisticated weapons, could [NOT] lick a peasant population in Vietnam.
Posted by: Ed | Feb 21 2023 1:09 utc | 156

Posted by: Ed | Feb 21 2023 1:13 utc | 157

There have been some delusional threads on this forum, but none as delusional as this one. If this is Russia winning a war, I hate to think what Russia losing a war would look like! Spoiler: It would like the current situation in Ukraine.

Posted by: Tom UK | Feb 21 2023 1:26 utc | 158

@ Tom UK | Feb 21 2023 1:26 utc | 158
long time no see… have you had your head stuck in the western msm the past month or two?? lol…
i know this is not the way to win a war, especially if you like the shock and awe approach that comes with smart bombs and killing a zillion innocent civilians…. that is the great american way which the uk is always a side kick in…. it is a shame russia doesn’t do things the way you’d like…. thus, you think everyone on the thread is delusional, lol… good luck with anyone believing a word you say..

Posted by: james | Feb 21 2023 1:47 utc | 159

Rob @152–
We somewhat discussed that issue several weeks ago in response to this Alastair Crooke essay, “The Most Egregious Mistake”, which posits this hypothesis–“The U.S. government is hostage to its financial hegemony in a way that is rarely fully understood”–and thus contributed to the failure of intellect as megalomania and pleonexia clearly blinded those making decisions. I recently made the comparison with The Illiad with Biden having the role of Paris who could have prevented Troy’s fall by giving Helen back to Menelaus. Arrogance and undeserved Pride are also factors that have very deep roots in the Outlaw US Empire.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 21 2023 1:55 utc | 160

Posted by: Blissex | Feb 20 2023 21:51 utc | 138
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Haw shucks, I guess we should all just pack it up here MoA. The USA is after all the “Exceptional Nation,” and who are we to second guess the great Ruling Class in America that Mr. Blessex thinks so highly of.
After all Me. Blissex has just wisely informed us that …”The fundamentals are good for the USA elites [nice catch there, you know that statement is not true for majority Americans earning a wage, and with a one hundred trillion dollar debt, you must know that social programs like Social Security, Medicare that these Americans depend on to sta y above water are on the cutting block] : they [ you mean the corporate elites of course] still have lots of natural resources, [and] for now self-sufficient in fuels and cereals, with a large and increasingly cheaper work force [ yea, we know all about that cheaper work force], and lots of technological advances, they [again the corporate elites] still control most fuel and cereal producers outside the USA [wait for it:], they [ the corporate elites] still can afford to have hundreds of military bases around the world [after all might is right] imperial(ist) overstretch is not yet there [you mean there, as say in Ukraine, Iraq, and Syria; looks like it is being stretched pretty hard to me Mr. Blissex]. As they [ oh my God, just come out and say it: The US Ruling Class, a fucking minority of rich bankers and financers who control the MIC, Oil Companies, Argo Business, Pharmacal Companies, Biden and the US Congress] know their only potential rival is the PRC, and they are shifting their focus to it, and in their cold war against the PRC the RF is just a stepping stone. [and I guess all of that is just fine with you, right Mr. Blissex?
The working-class is Dead, Long live the US Ruling Class, long live US Imperialism.

Posted by: Ed | Feb 21 2023 2:20 utc | 161

Ed @161–
I see you’re weeding out the real from the false, the latter are becoming easier to spot.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 21 2023 2:27 utc | 162

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 21 2023 2:27 utc | 162
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You know karlof1, I think you may be right. Today, more than usual, they are being very open about their true feelings and allegiances. Before the fall of Rome, there must have been many apologists who defended the Empire as well. Still, it fell.

Posted by: Ed | Feb 21 2023 2:42 utc | 163

The people who think that the USA is about to collapse are as deluded as those who in 1929
The people of East Palestine, Ohio would beg to differ.
Blissex you’re a funny chap. I suspect you’re from old Blighty, which admittedly makes the US seem like it’s only in the second inning of collapse.

Posted by: Chris | Feb 21 2023 2:42 utc | 164

The US’s strategy in Afghanistan actually more closely mirrors the Russian strategy in Ukraine: avoid large, sustained, offensives even when the manpower and means are there, and favor the use of PMCs and local forces during offensives to avoid big casualty lists back home.
Posted by: fnord | Feb 20 2023 20:56 utc | 132
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For twenty fucking years? And still they (the US) couldn’t mop it up and finish the job? If in twenty years, Russia is still fighting a proxy war with the US and NATO in Ukraine, then I will listen to your bullshit. See you in 19 more years fnord.

Posted by: Ed | Feb 21 2023 3:04 utc | 165

Here’s an interesting article on what many are saying will happen later this week.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-update-218-major-war-confirmed
Posted by: Surferket | Feb 20 2023 15:31 utc | 57
Peace obviously is the preferred option, and China in particular of course wants to maintain the western markets for its output, so imagine they in particular would like a resolution. Putin has a history of going so far but not all the way to embarrass the West, just look to Syria. Of note of course is that numerous Europeans have come out and stated that if there is peace then Ukraine need be immediately brought into NATO.
As such the NATO plan it would seem to be if peace is brokered then to start re-arming Ukraine and getting their armament factories up and running again, this would take years but then Ukraine War II lies in the future. What Putin says and does will be very interesting, he has the advantage now, will he squander it for short term peace?

Posted by: Organic | Feb 21 2023 3:22 utc | 166

Previously the Taliban shut down heroin production, much of which was smuggled into Russia as part of the efforts to weaken the country. Perhaps the revived Taliban agreed not to disrupt this activity.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 20 2023 19:30 utc | 117
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During the latter days of the Vietnam war, the CIA working with Air Force pilots and crew members were flooding the Island with high grade heroin from Vietnam, Loas, and Thailand. Thousands of GI’s became addicted on the Rock because the CIA was using proceeds from heroin to fight a war in Loas and Cambodia, which was not authorized by Congress.
If you want to know about it, and how it was done? See Alford McCoy’s “The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia.” The CIA and its airline company, “Air America,” it was the real thing. It returned during the US/Contra war waged against the people of Nicaragua.

Posted by: Ed | Feb 21 2023 3:33 utc | 167

Posted by: james | Feb 20 2023 16:49 utc | 88
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james, who, what, are you commenting on at this post? No reference. Otherwise hope you are having a good day.
Cheers Ed.

Posted by: Ed | Feb 21 2023 3:43 utc | 168

“.. Perhaps the revived Taliban agreed not to disrupt this activity.” Opport Knocks@117
Any plans that the Taliban might have had for economic change had to be suspended when the US, unexpectedly, stole the country’s foreign reserves, amounting to almost $10 billion.
For Afghan peasants the poppies are just another cash crop. I don’t think it pays particularly well for them. The profit is taken higher up the chain, by gangsters of one kind or another, most of whom appear to be sworn enemies of The Taliban. This might have changed though.

Posted by: bevin | Feb 21 2023 3:52 utc | 169

Ukraine’s pathological hater Vladimir Zelenski is leading the U.S. into an ever deeper commitment to win by ultimately destroying Russia.
Zelenski is another performing seal politician (he was a comedian before becoming President after all) who is more pushed by than pushing pathological haters, some of whom are in the US, some in UK, some in Tel Aviv and some are local oligarchs linked with all three and so forth. None of these pathological haters could give a fig about the countries they ostensibly reside in for of course they are all sociopaths.
Nearly half the Ukrainian population has left in the past few years. Zelensky soon will be a puppet without a domestic audience though his main role, it seems, is to keep exhorting ‘the West’ to support the cause his masters have laid out, namely to drag the West down into terminal dysfunction.
In fact, from their perspective it’s all going rather well and indeed the longer this continues, the more assured they are of achieving their ultimate goal.
Though why they have that goal is hard to understand. Perhaps one has to be a psychopathic sociopath…

Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 21 2023 3:57 utc | 170

Posted by: bored | Feb 20 2023 12:57 utc | 2
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POSTED by Mr. Bored, with commentary.
I wish this were true. I really wish Russia was winning, not because I’m a Russophile, but because a decisive Russian victory would make the warmongers in the West stop and think before attempting their next military adventure overseas.
[Oh my God, is that violins that I hear?]
As it stands Ukraine (with massive NATO support) is grinding Russia down.
[Oh, my are those tears running down your cheeks Mr. Bored? Are those angels singing?]
The rest of the world, with the notable exception of Iran, just pays lip service to Russia and offers no help whatsoever.
[That is just so sad to hear. Surely Mr. Bored, you must be sick 🤮 of all of this treachery and hypocrisy? What should we do?]
Don’t these idiots realize once NATO is done with Russia, they can do whatever they want to the rest of the planet?
[My golly gosh, someone must warn them quickly. Will it be you Mr. Bored? Will you save them?]
I’m especially disappointed in China and India.
[The treacherous vipers, will you confront them and set them straight Mr. Bored? I’m sure you will, because that is how you roll. I hear a chorus singing!]
This whole sad affair just makes it clear; the US (the muscle behind NATO) really is the world’s sole remaining superpower and no other country dares oppose it directly.
[Well then, what must we do Mr. Bored? Should we lay down prostrate ourselves before the mighty NATO muscle? Is that what you do Mr. Bored?]

Posted by: Ed | Feb 21 2023 4:16 utc | 171

” Nearly half the Ukrainian population has left in the past few years. Zelensky soon will be a puppet without a domestic audience though his main role, it seems, is to keep exhorting ‘the West’ to support the cause his masters have laid out, namely to drag the West down into terminal dysfunction.
Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 21 2023 3:57 utc | 170 ”
Depopulating Ukraine of Slavic ” filth ” actually is one of his main roles, and hes’s doing a splendid job.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Feb 21 2023 4:23 utc | 172

The US was not humiliated militarily in Afghanistan
Posted by: fnord | Feb 20 2023 20:56 utc | 132
Sure. Also water is not wet.

Posted by: Vikichka | Feb 21 2023 4:51 utc | 173

Deplorable Commissar | Feb 20 2023 18:26 utc | 106
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So, how long did it take the US … [to lose in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Yemen]?
So, what the f**k is your point.

Ed | Feb 21 2023 1:09 utc | 156
🙂

Crickets

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Feb 21 2023 4:55 utc | 174

Zelensky was quoted several months ago envisioning Ukraine’s future as akin to Israel – and not the plucky democracy fulfilling national ambitions glass-half-full version but the paranoid hyper-militarized garrison state version. By any metric this is a future much much worse than the status quo entering 2014.

Posted by: jayc | Feb 21 2023 5:19 utc | 175

@ bored | Feb 20 2023 12:57 utc | 2
Russia is doing fine without military assistance. That’s the point of the exercise from Russia’s pov.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Feb 21 2023 5:21 utc | 176

@ Ed | Feb 21 2023 3:43 utc | 168
hi ed.. thanks for your posts… i got a bit edgy their when i read the crap that this idiot – German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock – is spewing… i forgot to mention her name directly, as i went off on a rant off @83 don bacons post and link…
all good.. cheers james

Posted by: james | Feb 21 2023 5:38 utc | 177

Ed @163–
Thanks for your reply. I’ve taken the meme back to Troy:
Imagine The Iliad with Biden as Paris and Putin as Menelaus. RoW as all his Greek allies, and with Ukraine and RoW’s wellbeing filling the role of Helen. Yes, an Epic Struggle that ought to be remembered in verse, song, and text for the Ages to come.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 21 2023 6:04 utc | 178

I do not think that Biden’s visit is an attempt to restore America’s position in the war. That would require the U.S. to get much more involved in the war, in terms of offering real finance and direct military action, which means war with Russia, which, as b points out, means a probable end in fireworks and radiation.
I think one reason is to try and re-energise the reactionary base which supports Biden in the Democratic Party. The war is one of the few things which the right-wing of the Democratic Party can point to as a triumph for Biden, and so showing up in Kyiv benefits him. The Democratic Party is in trouble in this respect; the enormous corruption in the American involvement in the war has turned out to be a vote-winner for the Republicans, who are linking it with the known corruption of Biden’s background. (The Republicans are traditionally more isolationist and so opposing a war in a country which most Americans couldn’t find on a map is popular. Also, the Republicans want to go to war with China and see the Russia war as a distraction.) Meanwhile, the left in the Democratic Party seem increasingly willing to criticise the war; leftist American blogs are increasingly free from CIA propaganda, which is very interesting since for the first year of the war they were more or less neocon troll farms. This is a potential problem for Biden, whose right-wingers are terrified of a left revolt.
Meanwhile, Biden’s handlers seem to have realised that, having destroyed every other significant figure in the Democratic Party, they are stuck with Biden in 2024. If he doesn’t win (which is likely), they will at least retain control of the party. So his Kyiv junket is probably aimed at showing that he’ll attempt to be nominated in 2024 – if Alzheimers’ doesn’t get him first.

Posted by: MFB | Feb 21 2023 7:03 utc | 179

Link to President Putin’s address to the Federal Assembly, live-stream, English translated(?), courtesy of ‘iEarlGrey’/RT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO-e_04qag0

Posted by: Andrew Celestina | Feb 21 2023 9:05 utc | 180

The people who think that the USA is about to collapse are as deluded
Posted by: Blissex | Feb 20 2023 21:51 utc | 138
Or the people who in 1989 thought the soviet union would not collapse.
Or the people who in 2020 thought lockdowns and border closures will stop the pandemic.

Posted by: Vikichka | Feb 21 2023 11:08 utc | 181

Vikichka no. 182
Excellent points.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Feb 21 2023 12:54 utc | 182

Nonsense. The US was not humiliated militarily in Afghanistan, and the geopolitical implications of the withdrawal were only that more money and weapons could be spent on great power confrontation with Russia and China. […]
Posted by: fnord | Feb 20 2023 20:56 utc | 132
Geopolitical implications and military “humiliation” are two different issues.
Geopolitical implications are that Afghanistans was (a) unimportant, poor, a cross-road from nowhere to nowhere, you can more easily go through Iran on the way from Central Asia to Indian subcontinent (b) too hard to “keep”, so a trillion (?) wasted for nothing.
Militarily, wasting resources for nothing will not result in commemorative plaques, monuments, USA is busy forgetting, but not EVERYBODY will forget. So subjectively, “no humiliation, just a nowhere place where nothing happened”, objectively, i.e. perspective of other parties, other interpretation exists, “cruel (tortures, murders, irrational and ineffective). Does it approach a “thin reed that wounds your hand when you want to rest upon it”?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 21 2023 15:28 utc | 183

@unimperator, §16:
The latest mercenaries NATO are sending are . . . ISIS!
What on earth are we doing fighting with ISIS and neo-Nazis against democratic, christian Russia?
OK, you may not think Russia democratic given western propaganda, but they have elections and parties opposed to Putin are included in the duma (parliament).

Posted by: John Marks | Feb 21 2023 16:38 utc | 184

@unimperator | Feb 20 2023 13:39 utc | 16
As I have previously justified, I think that by December 22, actual Ukrainian casualties had already reached 450,000 to 600,000. At a claimed 500 frontline deaths a day, since then, which probably means a total of 2,000 to 4,000 a day taking longer term deaths into account, which would match Ukrainian claims that conscripts at the front have a four hour life expectancy, the have lost another 50,000 to 100,000 killed since then. Which is why I don’t think the Ukraine has the men, the money to pay mercenaries or even the “NATO in drag” “volunteers” that have kept the guns firing to “suffer much more losses than so far”. In conflicts, as the availability of equipment, ammunition and effectives to the Ukraine drop, the attrition rate will inventively rise and as losses are already starting to look like the catastrophic French and Russian losses in 1914-1918, I would be rather surprised if the Ukraine does not experience a military coup, followed by an unconditional surrender (at least if Russia rejects initial negotiations), before the fall this year.

Posted by: Hermit | Feb 21 2023 17:32 utc | 185

Haha. Russia isn’t winning. What have they won? They have lost in every tangible and intangible arena. They have lost economy, people, respect, potential. They haven’t taken anything of value and have been repelled without the ability re-achieve initial gains. Russia has lost and will continue to do so. China isn’t helping them with anything. Putin will be gone within 6 months and Russia will be divided and hopefully, at some later point, return to a form of glory.

Posted by: AJ | Feb 21 2023 18:57 utc | 186

@187 AJ
Hahaha is THAT what you’re beating off to these days? You’re soooo happy the Russia is falling apart and the whole world is laughing/angry at them….ahhhh there you go spud, mission accomplished!

Posted by: safe | Feb 21 2023 23:04 utc | 187

Army is as far as I am aware off tried to send inn an ekstraordineary tank battalion. I dont know all the details. But it includes the (4-8 quanitity) leopards 2a4 or 6 in question. Norway. Slight chaos. You need basic personell pluss rotationary units. 4 to man tank, pluss four in backhand minimum directly for the tank as per protocol. Pluss a three man general logistikk/mechanical buffer. So in fact 11 per tank. All very drilled men. but it takes minimal 6-8 months to make it all effektive. That is in a domestic environment. But for ukro…i dont know. Demanding to put it mildly.

Posted by: Kpt Lars Kuznet Skog | Feb 22 2023 3:41 utc | 188

Posted by: keen-bee | Feb 20 2023 13:24 utc | 11
Thank you very much – it’s one of several stories that doesn’t add up in it’s present form. I hope for some answers.

Posted by: Anne B | Feb 22 2023 3:51 utc | 189

Posted by: rk | Feb 20 2023 18:07 utc | 102
Keep smoking that copium pipe and beating yourself off to your Zelensky spanking fantasies.
China is already helping Russia–albeit semi-clandestinely. That is why America recently put sanctions on a Chinese company, the Changsha Tianyi Space Science and Technology Research Institute company, for providing satellite intel to the Wagner PMC.
And Americans are soiling their panties because they know that their Dollar dictatorship is unravelling–but they pathetically try to gaslight by telling everybody that it’s not happening.
DeDollarization is gathering apace, regardless of any BRICS currency, because countries are trading with each other using their own national currencies.

Posted by: ak74 | Feb 26 2023 19:51 utc | 190