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February 15, 2023
Open (Not Ukraine) Thread 2023-39
News & views NOT related to the war in Ukraine …
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Posted by: watcher | Feb 15 2023 20:44 utc | 97 Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 15 2023 20:52 utc | 101 @Opport Knocks | Feb 15 2023 20:16 utc | 83
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Posted by: Hermit | Feb 15 2023 20:53 utc | 102 Given the issues in the South China Sea, where does Vietnam stand in this zone? Posted by: Johnycomelately | Feb 15 2023 20:57 utc | 103 https://russian.rt.com/world/news/1111876-ssha-podryv-severnyh-potokov Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Feb 15 2023 20:57 utc | 104 watcher @ 97 Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 15 2023 21:01 utc | 105 Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 15 2023 20:42 utc | 96 Posted by: watcher | Feb 15 2023 21:03 utc | 106 Paul Massaro twote a picture of him wearing a banderovite patch. Had anyone archived the tweet ? Posted by: Lavenda | Feb 15 2023 21:06 utc | 107 Lumping every public dissident in the controlled opposition basket is simplistic. Egotistical journalists, wack job comedian, a loud mouth gay dude attorney and even Ritter’s questionable proclivities are what real humans look like. There is also the bought and sold former good guys, Sanders and Uygur. But you may have a point about the easy on the eyes, always on message, martyr, Gabbard with her steely voice; she just seems a little too good to be true. Posted by: Turk 152 | Feb 15 2023 21:07 utc | 108 Perimetr | Feb 15 2023 16:56 utc | 19 Posted by: OttoE | Feb 15 2023 21:09 utc | 109 @Likklemore | Feb 15 2023 20:25 utc | 86
Here is the reference
So who is telling the truth, you or Hersh? Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 15 2023 21:09 utc | 110 NATO is a big, sclerotic animal. Posted by: Poison Frogs | Feb 15 2023 21:15 utc | 111 Posted by: Lavenda | Feb 15 2023 21:06 utc | 106 Posted by: Sektion2B | Feb 15 2023 21:17 utc | 112 @ Richard Steven Hack | Feb 15 2023 18:20 utc | 50 quotes Posted by: james | Feb 15 2023 21:19 utc | 113 Chaka Khagan | Feb 15 2023 19:05 utc | 56 Posted by: Rjb1.5 | Feb 15 2023 21:21 utc | 114 link didn’t work out properly.. cue video to 1:27:57 for the relevant conversation on this.. Posted by: james | Feb 15 2023 21:22 utc | 115 I suspected as much: Posted by: jared | Feb 15 2023 21:22 utc | 116 Buffalo_Ken | Feb 15 2023 17:49 utc | 41 Posted by: OttoE | Feb 15 2023 21:25 utc | 117 I would rather from an archive website like Archive.PH. People tend to ignore screenshots because those could be photoshopped. Posted by: Lavenda | Feb 15 2023 21:29 utc | 118 Watcher @105 – I think you plan of action made total sense. Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 15 2023 21:31 utc | 119 Posted by: OttoE | Feb 15 2023 21:25 utc | 116 Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 15 2023 21:32 utc | 120
Hersh has admitted that, in the past, he has included lies and misdirection in his articles to prevent authorities from using the information to identify his confidential sources. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 15 2023 21:35 utc | 121 Con’t Opport Knocks | Feb 15 2023 21:35 utc | 120 Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 15 2023 21:42 utc | 122 Kakistocracy: a government run by the worst, least qualified and most unscrupulous citizens. As if an explanatory term were needed considering its repeated appearances in ‘History.’ Posted by: Elmagnostic | Feb 15 2023 21:43 utc | 123 Hermit #25 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 15 2023 21:44 utc | 124 Sanders embrace of Russiagate and support of the US policy in Ukraine was disillusioning, on top of his meek acceptance of the cheating by the DNC during the primary season. Posted by: Berman Piotr | Feb 15 2023 21:47 utc | 125 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 15 2023 20:52 utc | 99 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 15 2023 21:54 utc | 126 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 15 2023 21:54 utc | 125 Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 15 2023 22:00 utc | 127 Opport Knocks | Feb 15 2023 21:42 utc | 121 Posted by: Sektion2B | Feb 15 2023 22:02 utc | 128 @Buffalo_Ken | Feb 15 2023 20:42 utc | 96 Posted by: Hermit | Feb 15 2023 22:04 utc | 129 Posted by: Hermit | Feb 15 2023 17:10 utc | 25 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 15 2023 22:05 utc | 130 Posted by: Hermit | Feb 15 2023 22:04 utc | 128 Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 15 2023 22:07 utc | 131 @Elmagnostic | Feb 15 2023 21:43 utc | 122 Posted by: Hermit | Feb 15 2023 22:19 utc | 132 It seems alien UFOs have invaded Poland. The little green aliens from Mars are taking a look at Nato air defense on the important eastern flank, which seems to be non existent. Perhaps they will then send their large invasion fleet. (search Twitter for “poland ufo”) Posted by: unimperator | Feb 15 2023 22:29 utc | 133 Surprised there’s no comments about the upcoming Munich Security Conference, which is Feb 17-19. Global Times published a neutral editorial, “What China brings to Munich Security Conference will be fundamental solution” on it and Wang Yi’s visit to Europe. The content unfortunately doesn’t focus much on China’s “solution,” although Xi’s Global Security Initiative will be used as the primary instrument. There’s only one problem with Xi’s Initiative–the Outlaw US Empire and its NATO vassals have already rejected the concept of Indivisible Security on which it’s based and broken the OSCE treaties that contained it, including the UN Charter. Thus, the expectations voiced in the editorial won’t be met and the Conference will become another useless gathering. @Blissex | Feb 15 2023 19:54 utc | 72 Posted by: Hermit | Feb 15 2023 22:54 utc | 135 A ‘leading explanation’ is 3 downed objects were commercial, benign balloons, White House says Posted by: Colin | Feb 15 2023 22:56 utc | 136 On UVB-76 “Zhuzhalka” Russian military radio station has been recorded unusual “Pink Noise”. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 15 2023 22:58 utc | 137 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 15 2023 22:58 utc | 136 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 15 2023 23:01 utc | 138 @unimperator | Feb 15 2023 23:01 utc | 137 Posted by: Hermit | Feb 15 2023 23:25 utc | 139 Escobar’s criticism of Sy Hersch Posted by: migueljose | Feb 15 2023 23:25 utc | 140 Posted by: Hermit | Feb 15 2023 22:04 utc | 128 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 15 2023 23:30 utc | 141 @Hereward | Feb 15 2023 17:12 utc | 26 Posted by: Hermit | Feb 15 2023 23:35 utc | 142 Thank you, b, for a midweek open-not-ukraine- thread! “God is in his heaven, and all is right with the world!” Posted by: juliania | Feb 15 2023 23:37 utc | 143 I need to explain my phrase “half truths yes”- I did not mean to say that this article contains half truths, no- these are truths. I meant other NZ articles I have read have contained half truths. This one does not. Posted by: juliania | Feb 15 2023 23:41 utc | 144 I am on my way to a much needed massage but this talk of capitalism like it exists is exasperating to read at MoA when I have worked so hard to educate folk to the public/private finance view of our forms of social organization and the civilization war we are in…..sigh Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 15 2023 23:45 utc | 145 Bhadrakumar’s latest is about Aghhanistan, India, Russia and Pakistan which, he says ” has reverted to its historical role as the cats-paw of the Pentagon and the CIA.” Posted by: bevin | Feb 15 2023 23:46 utc | 146 Sorry the link ids to Indian Punchline Posted by: bevin | Feb 15 2023 23:46 utc | 147 Show me the actual dots, please. All we need is the hard evidence, then I will accept it. But this is such a serious thing that allegations do not stand on their own feet. (a)The intent to destroy the NordStream pipelines was announced and recorded; “Prejudice” Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 15 2023 23:52 utc | 148 oldhippie | Feb 15 2023 19:42 utc | 67 Posted by: auximenes | Feb 15 2023 23:54 utc | 149 Posted by: james | Feb 15 2023 21:19 utc | 112 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 15 2023 23:58 utc | 150 juliania | Feb 15 2023 23:37 utc | 142 Posted by: mtw | Feb 16 2023 0:03 utc | 151 Cut the bullshit and get back to the main task of exposing the actions of the corrupt “leaders” of the West. Posted by: snake | Feb 16 2023 0:11 utc | 153 An interesting feature in today’s RT “Question More” Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Feb 16 2023 0:11 utc | 154 I mentioned Lavrov addressed the Duma today and took questions. Here’s one about Multipolarity with Lavrov’s answer as usual being long and detailed. And yes, it’s merely one of about 15. Clearly, Lavrov doesn’t do soundbites:
In his speech and several times in his answers, Lavrov referred to Russia’s new foreign policy concept that deals with the current and likely future realities, yet it’s clear that concept will build upon not completely replace the current concept that was made policy in 2016 and is linked to several times in the transcript. Yes, some of the Q&A focuses on domestic Russian issues that flow into the international arena, but if you’re going to understand Russia then you must know about those issues too. @141 These are all splendid suggestions but gender recognition reform seems to be the main issue in Scotland at the moment. Posted by: dh | Feb 16 2023 0:27 utc | 156 @snake | Feb 16 2023 0:11 utc | 152
Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 16 2023 0:33 utc | 157 The future is messy. But nothing grants opportunity more than watching the hold of power slip the hands of those who have not taken care of this empire. Posted by: juliania | Feb 16 2023 0:36 utc | 158 Israel losing its grip as ‘observer’ at African Union meetings.
More at The Cradle Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 16 2023 0:39 utc | 159 @ 156 Juliania Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 16 2023 1:05 utc | 160 Posted by: snake | Feb 16 2023 0:11 utc | 152 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 16 2023 1:09 utc | 161 Re: OttoE | Feb 15 2023 20:55 utc | 78 108 Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 16 2023 1:11 utc | 162 Richard Steven Hack, in regard to leg cramps, one thing that helps me is magnesium citrate. I take a couple capsules if I am starting to get a charlie horse, and it has always helped. Also take as hot a bath as you can stand, that helps with relaxing muscles and also helps me get to sleep. Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 16 2023 1:17 utc | 163 Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 16 2023 1:17 utc | 161 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 16 2023 1:41 utc | 164 @ Richard Steven Hack | Feb 15 2023 23:58 utc | 149 Posted by: james | Feb 16 2023 2:00 utc | 165 Interesting times. Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Feb 16 2023 2:10 utc | 166 Gilbert Doctorow considers human interactions across our planetary societies:
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 16 2023 2:26 utc | 167 “…Scotland could do very well joining BRICS+ and the EU, leasing naval facilities to China and providing a manufacturing and shipping hub for deliveries to what is left of the UK, Europe, North, West and Southern Africa…” The Hermit@141 Posted by: bevin | Feb 16 2023 2:35 utc | 168 @Piotr Berman | Feb 15 2023 23:30 utc | 140 Posted by: Hermit | Feb 16 2023 2:51 utc | 169 Trump was impeached for making a phone call to Zelensky. Recall that? Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 16 2023 2:52 utc | 170 [Doctorov cite] It would be better all around if Europe learned some humility sooner rather than later. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 16 2023 2:57 utc | 171 @james | Feb 16 2023 2:00 utc | 163 Posted by: Hermit | Feb 16 2023 3:02 utc | 172 @ Richard Steven Hack | Feb 16 2023 1:41 utc | 162 Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 16 2023 3:03 utc | 173 @james | Feb 16 2023 2:00 utc | 163 Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 16 2023 3:12 utc | 174 Uighur ‘victims of Han oppression’…
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This has already been debunked multiple times, but whenever I read such nonsense it makes my blood boil. Posted by: denk | Feb 16 2023 3:12 utc | 175 The problem is the rigged system to preserve the oligarchy, not the parties that serve them. — Hermit Posted by: Spanky | Feb 16 2023 3:32 utc | 177 Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 16 2023 3:03 utc | 170 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 16 2023 3:49 utc | 178 rt article has a priceless file picture of Ned Price (I am sleezeball,and clearly lying in here), you must look at it https://www.rt.com/news/571554-us-partners-nord-stream/ Posted by: Calgary Guy | Feb 16 2023 4:05 utc | 179 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 15 2023 18:20 utc | 50 Posted by: Kyle Koffler | Feb 16 2023 4:15 utc | 180 @vRichard Steven Hack | Feb 16 2023 3:49 utc | 174 Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 16 2023 4:16 utc | 181 @ Hermit | Feb 16 2023 3:02 utc | 169 Posted by: james | Feb 16 2023 4:20 utc | 182 Interesting times Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Feb 16 2023 4:26 utc | 183 @ Richard Steven Hack | Feb 16 2023 1:41 utc | 162 Posted by: suzan | Feb 16 2023 4:29 utc | 184 @ james | Feb 16 2023 4:20 utc | 178 Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 16 2023 4:29 utc | 185 Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 16 2023 1:05 utc | 158 Posted by: juliania | Feb 16 2023 4:32 utc | 186 Hermit and Buffalo Ken @ 91 and 96 re hydrogen fluoride. I ran into HF twice doing safety inspections in N. California in the early 90’s. One location was a Pepsi bottling plant. HF was fed automatically from a 55 gallon plastic drum to the can wash line. Cutting oils were used in the can making process and the concentrated HF was highly diluted and sprayed inside a part of the can forming machinery. No real potential occupational exposures to the concentrated HF. In contrast at a nearby tanker truck washing company, large amounts of concentrated HF were used to wash tanker trucks, leaving them very shiny. A worker doing the spraying got some on his hands, leading to severe burns, decalcification of his bones and several weeks hospitalization while the worker’s survival was in doubt. Tanker truck cleaning with HF was very common then, with the acid flushed via drains directly to the SF Bay. Only when the environmental folks finally acted did the crazy practice of using this dangerous acid to make tanker’s shiny cease. HF on the skin does not immediately cause pain. By the time one feels the burn, the acid is already attacking calcium in the skin and bones. A gel ointment, calcium glutamate, should be liberally applied even for a single drop of HF on the skin. In the 90’s the FDA had not approved this ointment for OTC sale in the US despite its long use elsewhere in the world, so it was hard to find, Today the ointment is widely available in the US, and it should be in every first aid kit where HF is used. Posted by: mjh | Feb 16 2023 4:38 utc | 187 But the concept is sound. The devil details are in the implementation. Posted by: juliania | Feb 16 2023 4:48 utc | 188 Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 16 2023 4:16 utc | 177 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 16 2023 5:33 utc | 189 @ Don Bacon | Feb 16 2023 4:29 utc | 181 Posted by: james | Feb 16 2023 5:33 utc | 190 Disagree completely. Fear of death is what makes cowards of almost everyone. And that’s why these people can rule over us. Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 16 2023 6:05 utc | 191 Posted by: Lavenda | Feb 15 2023 21:06 utc | 106 Posted by: Kyle Koffler | Feb 16 2023 6:11 utc | 192 Latest Brian Berletic…
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 16 2023 6:14 utc | 193 Latest Gonzalo Lira. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 16 2023 6:54 utc | 194 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 16 2023 6:14 utc | 188 Posted by: Brother Ma | Feb 16 2023 7:09 utc | 195 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 16 2023 6:54 utc | 189 Posted by: Golddiggr | Feb 16 2023 7:14 utc | 196 @Likklemore | Feb 15 2023 23:52 utc | 147
Now you are asking for hard evidence, good. By implication that means you are doubting the truthfulness of the Hersh claim, you can’t have it both ways.
I am off to a meeting at work that will last all day. You may want to look for the evidence you require as such will provide a better fundation for opinions than mere accusations. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 16 2023 7:19 utc | 197 The videos I’m seeing out of Ohio are quite apocalyptic Posted by: Down South | Feb 16 2023 7:21 utc | 198 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 16 2023 1:41 utc | 162 Posted by: Brother Ma | Feb 16 2023 7:24 utc | 199 Ah well, vi or emacs anyone? Posted by: Stephane | Feb 16 2023 7:34 utc | 200 |
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