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February 15, 2023
Open (Not Ukraine) Thread 2023-39
News & views NOT related to the war in Ukraine …
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As an older American, I am so sad and afraid for my country. Posted by: mtw | Feb 15 2023 15:29 utc | 1 for those interested in the recent resignation of Nicola Sturgeon Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 15 2023 15:43 utc | 2 Wagner boss says Bakhmut will be taken in 1 to 2 months. Seems like a sensible forecast. Posted by: Comandante | Feb 15 2023 15:50 utc | 3 Posted by: mtw | Feb 15 2023 15:29 utc | 1 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 15 2023 15:52 utc | 4 @Comandante | Feb 15 2023 15:50 utc | 3 Posted by: Hermit | Feb 15 2023 16:06 utc | 5
Despite sanctions, Russia is more developed with a wealthier population than China. Posted by: La Tousse | Feb 15 2023 16:11 utc | 6 Piotr Berman@4 Posted by: bevin | Feb 15 2023 16:16 utc | 7
But which one of the 245 genders is most developed? Posted by: Vikichka | Feb 15 2023 16:19 utc | 8 Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 15 2023 15:43 utc | 2 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 15 2023 16:20 utc | 9 Sanders embrace of Russiagate and support of the US policy in Ukraine was disillusioning, on top of his meek acceptance of the cheating by the DNC during the primary season. Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 15 2023 16:21 utc | 10 dont know how significant this poll is, but I’m glad to see it. Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 15 2023 16:27 utc | 11 pretzelattack@10 Posted by: bevin | Feb 15 2023 16:28 utc | 12 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 15 2023 16:20 utc | 9 Posted by: pretzelattack1 | Feb 15 2023 16:35 utc | 13 @5 “Scotland should just UDI the Sassenachs (and nationalize the crown holdings).” Posted by: dh | Feb 15 2023 16:38 utc | 14 “But which one of the 245 genders is most developed?” WGAF? And by the way, what does this topic have to do with the war in Ukraine? Posted by: William Verick | Feb 15 2023 16:39 utc | 15 Posted by: William Verick | Feb 15 2023 16:39 utc | 15 Posted by: pretzelattack | Feb 15 2023 16:43 utc | 16 @mtw | Feb 15 2023 15:29 utc | 1 Posted by: John Schmeeckle | Feb 15 2023 16:44 utc | 17 In response to Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 15 2023 16:46 utc | 18 Re: Comandante | Feb 15 2023 15:50 utc | 3 Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 15 2023 16:56 utc | 19 This is an “open” thread not about *kraine correct? Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 15 2023 16:59 utc | 20 @Piotr Berman | Feb 15 2023 15:52 utc | 4 Posted by: John Schmeeckle | Feb 15 2023 17:01 utc | 21 Response to AI – I don’t think “Ukraine” exists anymore….that is why I refer to that place as *kraine. Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 15 2023 17:03 utc | 23 Piotr Berman | Feb 15 2023 15:52 utc | 4
Posted by: grunzt | Feb 15 2023 17:06 utc | 24 @bevin | Feb 15 2023 16:16 utc | 7 Posted by: Hermit | Feb 15 2023 17:10 utc | 25 Hermit @ 5 Posted by: Hereward | Feb 15 2023 17:12 utc | 26 @dhfew | Feb 15 2023 16:38 utc | 14 Posted by: Hermit | Feb 15 2023 17:16 utc | 27 @ pretzelattack.. thanks for your posts! pretty much always agree with you here at moa.. Posted by: james | Feb 15 2023 17:18 utc | 28 @1 MTW Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 15 2023 17:24 utc | 29 @27 The Scots were the right hand of British colonialism. Nowadays they don’t all run around the glens in kilts playing bagpipes. There are all kinds of people living in Scotland. It has become diverse. Posted by: dh | Feb 15 2023 17:24 utc | 30 @grunzt | Feb 15 2023 17:06 utc | 24
And if you still imagine that Sanders was anything but a shill, please see my Contra Sanders Posted by: Hermit | Feb 15 2023 17:25 utc | 31 “What is the left known for today? Mostly for Identity politics and climate change activism. What happened to the anti-Wall St and anti-War left? Were they bought out, transformed, defanged, and purposefully refocused for the benefit of the corporate world — by changing their driving ideology into being singularly concerned about racial and ethnic issues, cultural issues, sexual and gender issues, and climate?” From The New Progressive World Order or: Rage Against The Deus Ex Machina Posted by: kana | Feb 15 2023 17:27 utc | 32 I think this place, the bar of it, could use a riddle. Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 15 2023 17:36 utc | 33 @La Tousse | Feb 15 2023 16:11 utc | 6 Posted by: Hermit | Feb 15 2023 17:37 utc | 34 Moreover, and because I haven’t been “banned” yet, was that even a riddle? Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 15 2023 17:38 utc | 35 Hermit, not to contradict myself, but really, you need to grow a garden rather than cast aspersions…..I need to do the same, so take that with a grain of salt, and I’ll study the #10 paper, but if you could summarize it first that would be appreciated. Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 15 2023 17:40 utc | 36
Correct. Scots, relative to the southern UK, had an outsized influence on business and politics in Canada for sure. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 15 2023 17:42 utc | 37 More crap from Seymour Hersh Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 15 2023 17:42 utc | 38 @dh | Feb 15 2023 17:24 utc | 30 Posted by: Hermit | Feb 15 2023 17:43 utc | 39 Re: Perimetr | Feb 15 2023 16:56 utc | 19 Posted by: Angry Minuteman | Feb 15 2023 17:46 utc | 40 Posted by: Angry Minuteman | Feb 15 2023 17:46 utc | 40 Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 15 2023 17:49 utc | 41 Norwegian no. 38 Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Feb 15 2023 17:51 utc | 42 @37 “The elites in Scotland and England were on the same team…” Posted by: dh | Feb 15 2023 17:51 utc | 43 @ Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 15 2023 17:42 utc | 38 Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 15 2023 17:53 utc | 44 @39 Yes indeed. Excellent soldiers. Fierce, loyal, the Thin Red Line. Posted by: dh | Feb 15 2023 17:54 utc | 45 Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 15 2023 17:53 utc | 44 Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 15 2023 17:55 utc | 46 @Opport Knocks | Feb 15 2023 17:53 utc | 44
I don’t pay for crap on the wall either. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 15 2023 18:04 utc | 47 Hermit @34 Posted by: Chas | Feb 15 2023 18:06 utc | 48 @Chas #48 Posted by: zeke2u | Feb 15 2023 18:17 utc | 49 Just read Pepe Escobar’s latest on Hersh over at The Saker. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 15 2023 18:20 utc | 50 Perimetr | Feb 15 2023 16:56 utc | 19
Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 15 2023 18:36 utc | 52 The longer the conflict continues, the more involved the West will become… The inability of the Kremlin to understand this is leading to nuclear war. Posted by: Aleph_Null | Feb 15 2023 18:43 utc | 53 @zeke2u | Feb 15 2023 18:17 utc | 49 He did his job, as the DNC’s “Director of Outreach”, trying to attract progressives into the Democrats, and then, like all the other shills for the Democrats before him, started his own organization to distract progressives. Posted by: Hermit | Feb 15 2023 18:44 utc | 54 re: Stonebird | Feb 15 2023 18:21 utc | 51 Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 15 2023 18:49 utc | 55 Bernie screwed progs twice the last two Presidential election cycles. – once withdrawing and telling followers to vote for Hell Harpy Clinton. Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Feb 15 2023 19:05 utc | 56 I’m not sure where the discussion is now but I thought I’d post something on that train derailment in Ohio from a Canadian viewpoint. Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 15 2023 19:07 utc | 57 chas@48 You are right. The importance of Sanders lay in just that-that he moved the conversation to the left. I am familiar with the viewpoint that Hermit puts forward, anyone who read this blog in 2016 or 2020 would be. The theories regarding the grand conspiracies behind Sanders candidacy-it was all about stopping Tulsi is merely one among many- are all irrelevant. As are the 11th hour discoveries that Sanders’ social democracy contains large elements of fraud and stark betrayals. There is nothing new about that. As I mentioned in my first post he is one in a long line of candidates, the most famous of which was Bryan catapulted by “the hour” into positions in which they can, almost without understanding what they are doing, wrench the political debate into a new direction. Posted by: bevin | Feb 15 2023 19:13 utc | 58 The Guardian posted an article which indicated that phosgene, a deadly ww1 chemical weapon was released in the train wreck fire. Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Feb 15 2023 19:14 utc | 59 In regard to PCR’s and the general direction of the war, we must judge a go slow approach against blitzkreig ideas. With Go Slow, casualties are minimized and domestic unrest likely reduced. And NATO gets demilitarized, ironically. Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 15 2023 19:17 utc | 60 I have to admit the idea of burning HCl to get rid of it would not have occurred to me. Posted by: Bemildred | Feb 15 2023 19:17 utc | 61 A “controlled burn” for PR purposes sounds like something better than an uncontrolled explosion. Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Feb 15 2023 19:25 utc | 62 @Buffalo_Ken | Feb 15 2023 17:40 utc | 36 Posted by: Hermit | Feb 15 2023 19:27 utc | 63 RE: Eighthman | Feb 15 2023 19:17 utc | 60 Posted by: Angry Minuteman | Feb 15 2023 19:35 utc | 64 Searching CNN today for ‘Seymour Hersh’ brings up nothing, nada, goose eggs, bupkis. Posted by: Elmagnostic | Feb 15 2023 19:39 utc | 65 @Chaka Khagan | Feb 15 2023 19:05 utc | 56 Posted by: Hermit | Feb 15 2023 19:39 utc | 66 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgwKZAMx_gM Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 15 2023 19:42 utc | 67 NYT on Projected Budget Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 15 2023 19:47 utc | 68 Old Hippie @67 Posted by: Aristodemos | Feb 15 2023 19:50 utc | 69 Perimetr | Feb 15 2023 18:49 utc | 55 @50 RSH Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 15 2023 19:53 utc | 71 Posted by: Hermit | Feb 15 2023 17:37 utc | 34 Posted by: Blissex | Feb 15 2023 19:54 utc | 72 @Bemildred | Feb 15 2023 19:17 utc | 61 Posted by: Hermit | Feb 15 2023 19:57 utc | 73
Posted by: West of England Andy | Feb 15 2023 19:58 utc | 74 Hermit @54 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 15 2023 19:59 utc | 75 Posted by: Hermit | Feb 15 2023 17:10 utc | 25:
I’ve always enjoyed reading your comments since you came into this bar some 3-4 months ago, but in this quote of yours regarding DNC blocking Gabbard from the debate, it seems you still buy the BS of the so-called “democratic process” of this sick nation as being genuine and functional. You rightly pointed out the system is rigged but you still thought the process is worthy of notices. I think that notion is wrongly entrusted. Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 15 2023 20:02 utc | 76 stonebird@51 Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 15 2023 20:02 utc | 77 In response to #73…a hermit. Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 15 2023 20:05 utc | 78 @NemesisCalling | Feb 15 2023 19:53 utc | 71 Posted by: Hermit | Feb 15 2023 20:07 utc | 79 Memory is failing me. I remember the year wrong on the Clinton Keynote Speech at DNC. It was 1988. Posted by: Oriental Voice | Feb 15 2023 20:09 utc | 80 @aristodemos | Feb 15 2023 19:59 utc | 75 Posted by: Hermit | Feb 15 2023 20:14 utc | 81 So what should have done is as follows: Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 15 2023 20:15 utc | 82 From Donbass Devushka:
LOL… if the ethnic Russians all left Latvia, their downward demographic spiral would become a freefall. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 15 2023 20:16 utc | 83 Posted by: West of England Andy | Feb 15 2023 19:58 utc | 74 Posted by: West of England Andy | Feb 15 2023 20:16 utc | 84 aristodemos | Feb 15 2023 20:02 utc | 77 Surprised no one has posted the USA’s latest foray with a new color revolution attempt in Hungary. I am equally surprised Orban has not already banned USAid from operating there. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 15 2023 20:24 utc | 86 @ Posted by: Comandante | Feb 15 2023 15:50 utc | 3
Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 15 2023 20:25 utc | 87 Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 15 2023 20:16 utc | 83 Posted by: Pierrot | Feb 15 2023 20:27 utc | 88 Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 15 2023 20:16 utc | 85 Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 15 2023 20:30 utc | 89 I am surprised that no one here has commented of the USA’s recent initiation of the color revolution process in Hungary. I am more surprised that Orban has not banned USAid from operating there. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 15 2023 20:31 utc | 90 Dioxin from East Palestine train wreck? @ Buffalo_Ken | Feb 15 2023 20:05 utc | 78 Posted by: Hermit | Feb 15 2023 20:32 utc | 92 Pierre Servent would think Moscow is using human waves. Posted by: L’Amante de Capri | Feb 15 2023 20:32 utc | 93 @79 Hermit Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 15 2023 20:33 utc | 94 Haven’t visited Craig Murray’s site for ages, mainly because I disagreed with his British Establishment stance about the SMO, which kind of left a sour taste after his principled stance over the Sturgeonistas stitch-up of Alec Salmond, eventually leading to Mr. Murray being stitched up himself. Posted by: West of England Andy | Feb 15 2023 20:34 utc | 95 Democrat, Republican, the vote. Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Feb 15 2023 20:37 utc | 96 Hermit #91….I’ve been an ESHA professional since 1991 after I graduated in from UNC-Chapel Hill when I walked the halls with Ralph Baric and should have beaten the shit out of him knowing now what I didn’t know then. Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 15 2023 20:42 utc | 97 Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 15 2023 20:15 utc | 82 Posted by: watcher | Feb 15 2023 20:44 utc | 98 @Likklemore | Feb 15 2023 20:25 utc | 86
I am citing the title of his latest work, using hist own words.
Show me the actual dots, please. All we need is the hard evidence, then I will accept it. But this is such a serious thing that allegations do not stand on their own feet.
As far as I know, Hersh is now calling the Norwegian government liars for denying their involvement. How does that compute? Notice I do not say they did not lie or were not involved, but there are too many loose allegations and contradictions here.
Prejudice is a fine art until it is shown to be based on …. prejudice. Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 15 2023 20:51 utc | 99 Posted by: Likklemore | Feb 15 2023 20:25 utc | 86 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 15 2023 20:52 utc | 100 |
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