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February 7, 2023
NYT On Ukraine – Real Reporting, Propaganda For Balance, Ominous Warning

Th New York Times is putting itself in a twist with its current reporting on the war in Ukraine.

Last months Ukraine was winning the war – at least in 'western' media. But this week the NYT's man on the ground reports the opposite:

Outnumbered and Worn Out, Ukrainians in East Brace for Russian Assault

Exhausted Ukrainian troops complain they are already outnumbered and outgunned, even before Russia has committed the bulk of its roughly 200,000 newly mobilized soldiers. And doctors at hospitals speak of mounting losses as they struggle to care for fighters with gruesome injuries.

The first stages of the Russian offensive have already begun. Ukrainian troops say that Bakhmut, an eastern Ukrainian city that Russian forces have been trying to seize since the summer, is likely to fall soon. Elsewhere, Russian forces are advancing in small groups and probing the front lines looking for Ukrainian weaknesses.

The efforts are already straining Ukraine’s military, which is worn out by nearly 12 months of heavy fighting.

Losses among Ukrainian forces have been severe. Troops in a volunteer contingent called the Carpathian Sich, positioned near Nevske, said that some 30 fighters from their group had died in recent weeks, and soldiers said, only partly in jest, that just about everyone has a concussion.

“It’s winter and the positions are open; there’s nowhere to hide,” said a soldier from the unit with the call sign Rusin.

At one frontline hospital in the Donbas, the morgue was packed with the bodies of Ukrainian soldiers in white plastic bags. In another hospital, stretchers with wounded troops covered in gold foil thermal blankets crowded the corridors, and a steady stream of ambulances arrived from the front nearly all day long.

"We ca not let that defeatist piece stand alone," said the editor and turned to the dimwits of the British Military Intelligence to get some 'balance':

Moscow’s forces are advancing only a few hundred meters a week, U.K. intelligence says.

As Russia makes slow, bloody gains in a renewed push to capture more of eastern Ukraine, it is pouring ever more conscripts and military supplies into the battle, Ukrainian officials say, although it remains far from clear that Moscow could mobilize enough forces to sustain a prolonged offensive.

But Britain’s defense intelligence agency said on Tuesday that Russia had been trying to launch “major offensive operations” since early last month, with the aim of capturing the rest of the Donetsk region, which includes Bakhmut. But it had “only managed to gain several hundred meters of territory per week,” because of a lack of munitions and maneuver units, the agency said in its latest daily assessment of the war.

“It remains unlikely that Russia can build up the forces needed to substantially affect the outcome of the war within the coming weeks,” the agency concluded.

One wonder what 'outcome of the war' those folks are dreaming of.

The reports from the ground leave no doubt on who is winning. Even the op-ed pages of the NYT now acknowledge it:

The problem is that Ukraine is losing the war. Not, as far as we can tell, because its soldiers are fighting poorly or its people have lost heart, but because the war has settled into a World War I-style battle of attrition, complete with carefully dug trenches and relatively stable fronts.

Such wars tend to be won — as indeed World War I was — by the side with the demographic and industrial resources to hold out longest. Russia has more than three times Ukraine’s population, an intact economy and superior military technology. At the same time, Russia has its own problems; until recently, a shortage of soldiers and the vulnerability of its arms depots to missile strikes have slowed its westward progress. Both sides have incentives to come to the negotiating table.

The last sentence is wrong. Russia has no incentive to negotiate now. It no longer has a shortage of soldiers and its ammunition points have been dispersed and camouflaged to protect them from Ukrainian HIMARS attacks. Russia keeps grinding the Ukrainian army into the ground and is ready to attack further.

But the piece then makes a correct point. The U.S. would not allow any negotiations:

The Biden administration has other plans. It is betting that by providing tanks it can improve Ukraine’s chances of winning the war. In a sense, the idea is to fast-forward history, from World War I’s battles of position to World War II’s battles of movement. It is a plausible strategy: Eighty years ago, the tanks of Hitler and Stalin revolutionized warfare not far from the territory being fought over today.

But the Biden strategy has a bad name: escalation.

With whom is Russia at war — Ukraine or the United States? Russia started the war between Russia and Ukraine. Who started the war between Russia and the United States?

Many Americans cannot resist describing Mr. Putin as a “barbarian” and his invasion of Ukraine as a “war of aggression.” For their part Russians say this is a war in which Russia is fighting for its survival and against the United States in an unfair global order in which the United States enjoys unearned privileges.

We should not forget that, whatever values each side may bring to it, this war is not at heart a clash of values. It is a classic interstate war over territory and power, occurring at a border between empires. In this confrontation Mr. Putin and his Russia have fewer good options for backing down than American policymakers seem to realize, and more incentives to follow the United States all the way up the ladder of escalation.

That is indeed the case. Russia does not want to escalate. But when the U.S. does escalate, then Russia will do it too.

Comments

@Hack 137
Why don’t you go to Donetsk, volunteer for service, and after the war ask for one as your reward?
Oh wait, you’re too much of a snivelling hypocritical arrant coward, just like your crush Martyanov.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 8 2023 4:01 utc | 201

Posted by: southfront fan | Feb 8 2023 3:12 utc | 189
“This site shows big Russian losses, does anyone have any idea if they are credible?”
Oryx is the Dutch offshoot of Bellingcat. That should already be enough for a source-critical classification.
Their probative method is..how it is: clicking on an indication of 16 tanks destroyed or 23 captured takes you to a picture from one device that was posted on one of the various social media platforms. “All possible effort has gone into avoiding duplicate entriesman”, they claim. That’s right, viewing angle, perspective, transport to a new location can turn one tank into 30. If additional 10 people send in pictures, there are suddenly 300 potential devices from one tank. I guess, this ensures that all quality criteria are met.

Posted by: Konrad | Feb 8 2023 4:04 utc | 202

Larry Johnson gave MoA a big shoutout in his latest
https://sonar21.com/bidens-back-to-the-future-moment-as-the-media-revises-its-ukraine-narrative/

Posted by: crone | Feb 8 2023 4:05 utc | 203

bricope | Feb 8 2023 2:10 utc | 176
How much does Putin pay?
Nowhere near as much as Ukraine pays. Thank you USA.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 8 2023 4:18 utc | 204

As the conflict prolongs, European assets would be forced to flee to the US, helping the US to rein in inflation and secure the dollar hegemony; while in the political terms, the conflict has become US President Joe Biden’s political assets and would be a useful part of his campaign for the 2024 elections, Cui said.
The US, despite gaining short-term profits from energy and arms trade, will eventually lose, as the international community has increasingly noticed the untrustworthy nature of the US hegemony. De-dollarization and de-hegemony have become more and more a global consensus, Song said.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202302/1284991.shtml
Posted by: Don Firineach | Feb 8 2023 2:50 utc | 185

In an interview with Michael Hudson, his co-interviewee–a woman named Rishka, I think?–made the very good point that the US financial elite has committed a huge amount of money to the conflict in Ukraine and that they expect to be repaid via mineral, real estate, and agricultural concessions, among other commodities.
The problem is that if Russia prosecutes this war to a full victory over NATO and Ukraine then those concessions won’t be worth the paper they’re written on: Russia (particularly under Putin) will be far more inclined to award all of those concessions to its own people/oligarchs.
That means that all of the money the US has poured into this war will be lost: there will be no properties or concessions available to pay back the money “Ukraine” owes the US. This will be doubly true if, as may well happen, “Ukraine” as a state disappears and is replaced by a completely new political entity.
The US and EU will literally have no legal recourse to demand repayment of those loans and have no legal claim to ownership of the purchases (real estate is a big part of that) they have made under the coup leadership, these last 9 years.
That’s going to be a huge body blow to the Western economies. Losing access to their colonial project in Ukraine will be just as damaging to them as their desperate actions in Ukraine are betraying it will be.
So don’t take the Chinese man’s word for any of that: the destruction of US economic hegemony is almost certainly going to come much quicker than anyone other than a few are predicting now. I think even Michael Hudson is going far too long (and he’s one of the few saying it’s definitely going to happen). I get where he’s coming from: if we say it’s probably going to happen soon and it doesn’t quickly arrive then it will seem to a lot of people like it’s never going to happen.
Remember: few people around the world are predicting a full Russian victory on the battlefield. Nevertheless, there are credible people out there–people I would argue are far more credible than nearly all other observers–who are saying just that.
The US will want a negotiated solution of some sort that guarantees their colonial project in Ukraine–but that is precisely antithetical to “moving NATO back” and “guaranteeing an independent Ukraine.”
Too many people are thinking of this war in “business-as-usual” terms. The longer this goes on, the less likely Russia will be to return to “business-as-usual”; in fact, it’s already long past any consideration even of the US’s recent secret deal delivered by Egypt. Lavrov’s comment was something like “it offered too little”–as in, they’re still stuck in “business-as-usual” mode and we Russians are now asking for far more than they’re currently willing to even consider.
That situation is going to continue because the US is a media bubble and the DC robber barons who currently run our country are laboring under the mistaken belief that media portrayals and formal agreements can supersede and eclipse the practical, physical reality of a million-man-strong Russian fighting force backed up by factories that run 24/7 churning out the highest-quality, state-of-the-art missiles, artillery, EW, and IS4 equipment in the world.
Those robber barons are wrong–they’re old, for one (Soros is in his 80s, the Rockefellers, the Gettys, the Bushes, the Clintons, Pelosi, etc) and pampered (Bezos looks like a Kewpie doll that lost its hair) or otherwise addled and enamored by delusions of grandeur (the Kochs, Bill Gates, Elon Musk).
This war is going to deliver a huge blow to the collective West’s economic standing in the world and no amount of European “reorienting” or “relocating” to the US is going to change that. The elites of the collective West simply don’t possess the knowledge nor moral virtues to put The Collective West back on a path to prosperity.

Posted by: Pacifica_Advocate | Feb 8 2023 4:52 utc | 205

this war is not at heart a clash of values. It is a classic interstate war over territory and power, occurring at a border between empires. In this confrontation Mr. Putin and his Russia

1. This is a clash of values. Western fascism vs. Russian humanism.
2. Its Russia and her President Putin for you. Not “Mr”. And not “his”.

Posted by: Vikichka | Feb 8 2023 5:03 utc | 206

Well that fricken State of the Union was a gyp. Not that I had very high expectations.
Some days it feels like I’m the only one who understands what’s really going on. Most don’t know / don’t care, and the ones who have heard about the war are brain-washed fools with their blue and yellow flags and their Slobber Crainy, lol.
The world is about ready to kick off in war and it barely gets a mention at the State of the Union. I give up.

Posted by: LGB! | Feb 8 2023 5:04 utc | 207

@ Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 8 2023 4:01 utc | 202
posts like this make you look bad.. stick to your comics and other insights.. quit the slagging..

Posted by: james | Feb 8 2023 5:06 utc | 208

@ Pacifica_Advocate | Feb 8 2023 4:52 utc | 206
great post…thanks for articulating all that..

Posted by: james | Feb 8 2023 5:10 utc | 209

@ Pacifica_Advocate | Feb 8 2023 4:52 utc | 206
great post! thanks..

Posted by: james | Feb 8 2023 5:10 utc | 210

#206 the Russians are making weapons 24/7. The fed is printing money 24/7. In a war situation what would you prefer, paper or steel?

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 8 2023 5:13 utc | 211

Pacifica_Advocate @206–
Excellent recap! Events are moving quicker. The Big Picture is moving from sketch to something recognizable. I see Ukraine as the Outlaw US Empire/NATO’s high tide moment amidst all its other smaller global gambits. But we know that high tide must recede a long way to reach normal sea level. By then, it’s imperial ship will have sunk and the tide of no further consequence.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 8 2023 5:30 utc | 212

Pacifica_Advocate | Feb 8 2023 4:52 utc | 206
A great and very meaningful post PA. I would add that in terms of losses for Blackrock et al these have to be accounted as losses for the funds they administer. In other words Blackrock is not putting its own money into ownership of Ukrainian assets and participation in the great post war reconstruction boom.
It is a fund manager which means that the money comes from innumerable pension funds and corporate entities. The impending write off of those funds will greatly detract from Blackrock’s performance and likely discourage those bodies from giving them more funds because there are few investments which promised the same return as the Ukraine boondoggie.
On top of that the country which would have produced the superior return was Russia which will most assuredly not allow Blackrock to switch its bad investment for a better one. A 100% write off for what has been spent already combined with no opportunity to double down leaves the Western investors with a very sour taste in their mouths.

Posted by: Cyberhorse | Feb 8 2023 5:35 utc | 213

Cyberhorse – so what I’m hearing is to short BLK, lol. I’d be happy to do so!

Posted by: LGB! | Feb 8 2023 5:49 utc | 214

Russia plans to create all-weather remote sensing satellite system
Of the really interesting things Sergei Shoigu said yesterday at a conference were the plans to create an all-weather remote sensing satellite system in the interests of the Russian Defense Ministry. 
By the time the full-scale hostilities started in Ukraine, the Russian orbital constellation had only a few remote sensing satellites of the Kanopus-B type capable of providing at least some acceptable resolution of imagery and only one satellite with adequate resolution (Resurs-P). By comparison, western remote sensing satellite constellations not only had many times as many modern satellites, but they were also far superior to their Russian counterparts in resolution. 
This caused the Russian army to fall behind in acquiring high-quality images of Ukraine’s territory in a timely manner using its own resources and forced it to look for workarounds to obtain materials from Western ERS satellites. Western countries, in turn, could afford to keep several RS satellites simultaneously over Ukrainian territory and Russian border areas (not counting military ones) in order to receive promptly the required images in high resolution and share them with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. This role of Western satellite intelligence in the success of Ukrainian counterattacks was repeatedly stated in the world press.
In addition, many times we observed that the West photographed strategic Russian facilities before the subsequent attack by the AFU and then, after the strikes, repeatedly photographed them to confirm the result.
Despite the fact that at the moment the system announced by the Russian Minister of Defense is only at the stage of experimental development without specifying a specific timeframe, it is undoubtedly a step in the right direction. It is obvious that this constellation most probably will not have time to be deployed by this conflict, but if such plans are implemented, we will get our own constellation of remote sensing satellites in sufficient numbers and with good resolution of imagery. 

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/32462

Posted by: Down South | Feb 8 2023 5:50 utc | 215

Relatives of captured Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers are asking not to return them home. First Deputy Russian Ambassador to the United Nations Dmitry Polyansky said:
“It is getting to the point where the mothers and wives of Ukrainian soldiers, in their appeals to the Commissioner for Human Rights in Russia, are asking to leave their loved ones in our country so that they are not sent back to fight.”

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/32472

Posted by: Down South | Feb 8 2023 5:51 utc | 216

@Hack 137
Why don’t you go to Donetsk, volunteer for service, and after the war ask for one as your reward?
Oh wait, you’re too much of a snivelling hypocritical arrant coward, just like your crush Martyanov.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 8 2023 4:01 utc | 202
You have gone quite offensive of late, be better stick to the fact and kerb your insults!

Posted by: Grishka | Feb 8 2023 5:53 utc | 217

🇷🇺 The Russian city of Mariupol is reborn!
The new microdistrict Cheryomushki in Mariupol.

https://t.me/intelslava/44234
Same video as above but broken into three parts on Twitter
https://twitter.com/gahamalian/status/1623182188538920961
https://twitter.com/gahamalian/status/1623182742698754048
https://twitter.com/gahamalian/status/1623184917030125569

Posted by: Down South | Feb 8 2023 5:57 utc | 218

Melaleuca
Dejan Beric who fought for the Russians and recently seems to be convalescing after a serious Covid response. He was perplexed at the lack of guided munitions.
At the same time he was staggered by the human losses on the Ukrainian side.

Posted by: Johnycomelately | Feb 8 2023 6:17 utc | 219

@ KitaySupporter 36
AI and b.I are very different things.
AI requires very large man/woman power, occasionally driving on the wrong side of the road, to feed very strictly controlled garbage into the AI machine. About as accurate as a seaside pier fortune-telling machine.
b.I seems to require one man accessing a very diverse range of sources himself and thereby attracting an even greater diversity of opinion to his blog.
I am told that working for AI inside the Western propaganda organisations is extremely toxic , entirely top down , anger management. The difference between the two systems for analysis is like the difference between my old Austin Rover / Leyland car where management never listened to workers making the cars, and never corrected faults ever, and the lovely 20 year old Gernan car I now drive.
I still cry when I see a Rover, maybe still alive with a Honda engine, still on the roads. Grown men will cry at the incompetence of NATO’s conduct in this war against Ukraine. But it is highly controlled incompetence. The product of rigidly blinkered anti-Russian anti- Socialist political dogma rage. Unsafe at any speed , but British- made, Great Game , non-engineering.
NATO is a corrupt institution.

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 8 2023 6:22 utc | 220

Shooting down balloons
is a precursor to shooting
down satilites…….

Posted by: HERMIUS | Feb 8 2023 6:23 utc | 221

#221 That’s a logical progression. So what.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 8 2023 6:32 utc | 222

@Arganthonios | Feb 8 2023 1:32 utc | 165
Get a layer cake and cut it by hand with just a knife into ten equal-sized pieces. Not even one out of 256 people will get very close. Division by ten is not a natural act. Most people can half things pretty easily, and most can cut into thirds pretty well. Few can cut accurately into fifths. Tenths is very artificial and very few can do it without cutting into fifths first, and most of them will slip up before completing halfing each fifth.
Some humans could do it. I’ve known one that I would place money on doing correctly the first time, and another that would get it right within the third try. I wouldn’t get it right in a hundred tries, but I have discalculi, so I wouldn’t get thirds right very often.
Halfs, thirds, and fourths are natural divisions for humans. Tenths are alien ones to which a few people can adapt.
I’m far more annoyed with this than most people. Our groceries in USA often have dual markings, both English and metric units, and they often don’t match,and the nutritional data is inconsistent in both systems. I recently had a canned meat that in some of the measures included the weight of the brine, and not in others.
I’m far more affected by these errors than most people. I have to stay well below 20 grams of carbs a day and above 40g of protein per meal, and other restrictions and needs, in order to not have to go on insulin. The globalist government mandates have made it more difficult.
Metric system is not natural for humans, and isn’t likely to become so even by the end of another century. It didn’t become common due to humans wanting to use it, but because it was forced upon people by governments driven by Globalist’s businesses. It makes things easier for those businesses, not for the people.

Posted by: barstool | Feb 8 2023 6:33 utc | 223

Posted by: Vikichka | Feb 8 2023 5:03 utc | 207
Could you explain Russian humanism in whatever context with which you are most comfortable – including a contrast to western fascism (which I fully agree is the system despite the bullshit dumbocracy moniker) – I really just want to get outside perspectives on both us and “them.”

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 8 2023 6:46 utc | 224

The metric system is far and away better for any STEM uses. End of story. FFS that’s so off topic. Even more than the stupid Brandon SOTU address. Why don’t you guys take that discussion to the O/T?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 8 2023 6:47 utc | 225

@barstool | Feb 8 2023 1:15 utc | 160

The artificially created metric system does not work well for humans. It wasn’t designed for humans.

Laughable. You are trolling.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 8 2023 6:53 utc | 226

#223 got it even # are easier to divide than odd#, with eyesight. Nature favors symmetrical forms. But my mind can’t handle idiosyncratic thoughts.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 8 2023 6:53 utc | 227

“We should not forget that, whatever values each side may bring to it, this war is not at heart a clash of values. It is a classic interstate war over territory and power, occurring at a border between empires. In this confrontation Mr. Putin and his Russia have fewer good options for backing down than American policymakers seem to realize, and more incentives to follow the United States all the way up the ladder of escalation.”
This section already sounds like a regretful sigh accompanying to expected developments. After all, the next round of escalation has already been marked out: Kyiv is free to attack Russian targets on Ukrainian territory. According to the definition of these actors, this includes Crimea. The silence of the NATO representatives is the corresponding absolution. In the same breath, Kyiv said it would not use Western weapon systems on targets in Russia and claimed it had its own weapon systems for this purpose.
This whole spiral of escalation is surrounded by a special bubble when many empty NATO heads talk things into each other and forget that each individual of them bears responsibility for any level of escalation and that resonsibility does not dissolve because everyone wants to understand it as a “group decision”. And all this despite the fact that Kyiv is increasingly referring to these heads as its allies.
Macron, far from the front lines and lonely in his golden palace, is a good example. Still traumatized from his trip to Africa, he babbles that sending fighter jets might be complicated, but not out of question because they don’t represent an escalation from NATO. Whereupon he has to be shaken awake by the Russian Foreign Ministry that it is indeed an escalation that would force Moscow to react. However, this reaction will not concern a golden palace in Paris, but the people of Ukraine will suffer the consequences. It must be extremely embarrassing to suddenly count yourself among the brain dead. Well, he probably won’t notice.

Posted by: Konrad | Feb 8 2023 6:55 utc | 228

I am so glad that I have just four digits on each hand. How awkward would it be if I had FIVE.
Of course octopuses have really got it made!!

Posted by: Digital dinosaur | Feb 8 2023 7:29 utc | 229

Downsouth the liberation following the President”s speech. Is that some type of symbolism?

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 8 2023 7:31 utc | 230

# 229 I have five legs. And run very fast.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 8 2023 7:42 utc | 231

The narrative is softening in the most jingoistic of British newspapers – The Telegraph
https://archive.ph/sOoLT

Posted by: The Accountant | Feb 8 2023 7:59 utc | 232

Former advisor to the Ukrainian president’s office, Arestovich, has begun to prepare Ukrainians for the worst. He said: “87% of our society says that the liberation of all Ukrainian territory by military means is our goal.” Another 4% say they are ready to bargain for Crimea, but Donbass is definitely a military option.
Now the question is, what if that doesn’t happen? What will happen to the society, which had inflated expectations and, as a result, received the conditional Minsk-3? It’s the return spring of unrealized expectations that will kick us, our morals, and everything else, so much so that we’ll just be stunned. That’s why the way out of this war may be quite different from what we all thought six months ago, or even three months ago.
And not because the insidious Americans don’t give us weapons, but because, in principle, we need about 400 thousand perfectly trained troops, armed from head to toe with NATO weapons. to seriously grind it all up and liberate the territory. Do we have it? No. Will we have it in the next year? not going to happen. So the moral of this fable is simple. Are we, as a society, ready for a different outcome than we thought we’d get? We’re not. [Not ready because no one has ever talked about it in principle.] So I decided to talk about it.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/32475

Posted by: Down South | Feb 8 2023 8:29 utc | 233

🇺🇦 Bodies of the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are found without vital organs in the morgue of the city hospital in Nikolaev.
Corpses of soldiers without organs or signs of injury appeared in the city morgue on Volodarsky Street.
📝 “We have already begun to see how corpses of fighters without injuries are used for organ harvesting,” said the activist of the Nikolaev underground.
The Ukrainian authorities often do not include the mobilized citizens of the region in any government list or record, and when they are killed, the Ukrainian authorities neither investigate the circumstances of death nor care for the storage and handling of corpses. Illegal transplantologists take full advantage of this crisis. 

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/32478

Posted by: Down South | Feb 8 2023 8:32 utc | 234

@Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 8 2023 4:01 utc | 202
What exactly is the reason for this hate speech? The underlying conversation about the ancient tanks does IMO by no means justify such linguistic derailment “..you’re too much of a snivelling hypocritical arrant [arrogant?] coward…”. I wouldn’t touch a person with such language with a 10 ft pole. Just saying.

Posted by: OttoE | Feb 8 2023 8:37 utc | 235

Russia has developed “TrAMP”, a long-range transport drone capable of carrying up to 250 kg of cargo over 600 km, a source in the defense industry told RIA Novosti.
The key feature of the TrAMP, or transport aircraft multifunctional platform, can be considered a cargo compartment with a capacity of 2,650 liters. It allows to load of large-size cargo on board and dropping it non-stop with a parachute to a specified point. The aircraft has a cruising speed of 195 km/h and a cruising altitude of 3,000 m.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/32492

Posted by: Down South | Feb 8 2023 8:43 utc | 236

🇬🇧✈️🇺🇦🇷🇺”London will start training Ukrainian military pilots” – Sky News with reference to British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak
P.S. Under the guise of Ukrainian pilots, mercenaries or even NATO regular pilots can work on them…

https://t.me/azmilitary11/36603

Posted by: Down South | Feb 8 2023 8:46 utc | 237

Well, about the planned Leopard 1a5 tanks from Germany:
According to this contract: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_Conventional_Armed_Forces_in_Europe
should Germany not have any Leopard 1 tanks anymore. At least that’s what the German Wikipedia claims: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_1#Leopard_1A5
All of the tanks should have been destroyed. Can it be that the West has been broken another international contract?

Posted by: Tuk | Feb 8 2023 8:57 utc | 238

# 236
A drone that slow must be fairly wide winged.
That should be an easy target. I don´t see that as a valuable asset.
2650 l is less than the capacity of a medium sized van.

Posted by: Goingo | Feb 8 2023 8:59 utc | 239

I found intresting piece. https://www.stalkerzone.org/retreat-from-izyum-testimony-of-an-fsb-officer/ Everything isn’t/wasn’t so rosy, afterall. Does anybody has a clue how reliable or informed the author of the reviewed book is?

Posted by: pavi | Feb 8 2023 9:07 utc | 240

@Pacifica_Advocate #206
Here you go:
Economists Radhika Desai & Michael Hudson explain multipolarity, decline of US hegemony
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6adqdNCSVhU

Posted by: Don Firineach | Feb 8 2023 9:16 utc | 241

Posted by: pavi | Feb 8 2023 9:07 utc | 240
I could accept it at face value. It is not unusual in early stages of combat operations – it is usually concealed by censorship. Israeli Military Censors always filter out anything that suggests other than perfection from Mossad, Shin Beth, IDF and the world swallows the purity of the filtered lie.
I should think moulding DPR Forces into a combat force with volunteers and “irregulars” fused into the battle lines is hardly a smooth operation.
Russia’s Army – like most Western armies has seen no large scale combat for decades and is staffed with the usual – 80/20 rule. It is not as if US or British military leadership has proven effective in last 50 years………and German military elan is risible.
Since I do not wave the flag and cheer on a team from the stands I tend to regard the fighting of the operation to be something for the Russians to get right. They made a bloody mess 1939-1945 and no doubt could have done everything so much better on Playstation………but war is to enter the realms of incompetence, chance, disasters and only the hard-nosed survive to turn things around…………
It is why it is rarely a good idea to get involved in war – surprising how many people on the sidelines in Europe and USA are frantic to get involved

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 8 2023 9:26 utc | 242

Posted by: Tuk | Feb 8 2023 8:57 utc | 238
Westlich des Ortes befindet sich auf einem 5,6 Hektar großen Gelände mit der ein seit 2016[2] zu Krauss-Maffei Wegmann gehörender Betrieb zur Zerlegung von Kampfpanzern, Battle Tank Dismantling.
Hier wurden (Stand Anfang 2016) seit 1991 und besonders seit dem Inkrafttreten des KSE-Vertrags 1992 annähernd 16.000 Militärfahrzeuge aus mehreren europäischen Armeen verschrottet, darunter 1800 Kampfpanzer und weitere knapp 6000 gepanzerte Rad- und Kettenfahrzeuge.[2][3][4]

Bundeswehr does not have 1A5 any longer but KMW the manufacturer does. It bought the scrapyard some time ago to refurbish instead of destroying.

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 8 2023 9:29 utc | 243

Downsouth thanks for your updates. Harvesting of organs, desecration of a human who fought and died for your country. Who’s running this shit show?

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 8 2023 9:29 utc | 244

Latest German Polls show Peacenik Sahra Wagenknecht shoot to 4th place in Postive ranking among German politicians. Meanwhile, the war monger Baerbock plummets to a distant 8th.
Umfrage: Mehrheit vertraut Verteidigungsminister – Wagenknecht überholt Baerbock
Die größte Überraschung dürfte diese Woche aber der vierte Platz sein: Statt Bundesaußenministerin Annalena Baerbock ist in dieser Woche Sahra Wagenknecht (Linke) die viertbeliebteste Politikerin. Seit Baerbocks verrutschter Aussage über einen vermeintlichen Krieg des Westens gegen Russland ist die Grünenpolitikerin auf Platz acht abgerutscht.

It’s worth checking out Wagenknechts YouTube channel (use subtitles) . The War Party has successfully marginalized Wagenknecht as a looney niche wacko, but evidently a significant portion of the German citizenry isn‘t buying it.
Link to Wagenknechts YT
https://m.youtube.com/@SahraWagenknechtMdB/videos

Posted by: Exile | Feb 8 2023 9:38 utc | 245

fyi
Jeffrey Sachs | United States is FINISHED?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2enTI5nsii8

Posted by: Don Firineach | Feb 8 2023 9:42 utc | 246

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 8 2023 9:29 utc | 243
Yes: That’s what I mean. Selling the old tanks to a private company and buying them back on occasion was not the idea of the contract. The idea was that the old tanks will be destroyed.
That means that the West has broken another international contract.

Posted by: Tuk | Feb 8 2023 9:53 utc | 247

The world is about ready to kick off in war and it barely gets a mention at the State of the Union. I give up.
Posted by: LGB! | Feb 8 2023 5:04 utc | 208
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#206 the Russians are making weapons 24/7. The fed is printing money 24/7. In a war situation what would you prefer, paper or steel?
Posted by: Dingo | Feb 8 2023 5:13 utc | 211
Two of the best observations I have read in a while.
Totally captured the whole lacking of understanding the knife edge we are in.
It’s not finance and posturing.
It’s global devastation by malicious cretins.

Posted by: jpc | Feb 8 2023 9:54 utc | 248

I found intresting piece. https://www.stalkerzone.org/retreat-from-izyum-testimony-of-an-fsb-officer/ Everything isn’t/wasn’t so rosy, afterall. Does anybody has a clue how reliable or informed the author of the reviewed book is?
Posted by: pavi | Feb 8 2023 9:07 utc | 240

Sounds about right. It was clear there is a problem already in May-June when things stalled on that front.
And yes, it wasn’t a “masterful planned withdrawal” in September, quite the opposite.
What made it really scandalous though was what Putin was doing while that fiasco was unfolding. Let’s revisit that sorry history:
First, he was busy overseeing military exercises in the Far East, in which 50,000 men took part, with all the gear. While at that very same moment the front was collapsing for lack of manpower and prepared defenses.
Second, he then went back to Moscow, and precisely while Russian civilians were desperately fleeing across the borders under Ukrainian fire, he was dedicating some Ferris wheel in Moscow. With triumphant fireworks and everything.
Which, at face value, suggests a complete disconnect from the reality of what was happening on the ground at the time, and total neglect of the war in the preceding months by the high command.
It is hard to interpret it any other way.
It wasn’t a genius withdrawal to “shorten the front line” or anything of the sort — that territory will now be recovered with a lot of blood, just as a lot of blood was spent to take Izyum originally. Worse, further north and east the local authorities had the good sense to just hand over the cities to the advancing Russian army in the first days of the war, which spared them from destruction. All of those places will now be ruined as a result of the September withdrawal.
There is a Russian “offensive” now towards Kupyansk, and it is going at the rate of one small village a week. Meanwhile the whole area between Balakleya and the Oskol river was surrendered in mere 3-4 days…
And there is a real fear hat we will repeat last year’s fiasco, only worse. Back then at least Severodonetsk and Lysichansk — sizable cities of 100,000+ people — were taken and it took about a month in June.
Now it is bloody fights for villages with 50 people in them and even Ugledar and Orekhov — population ~15,000 — are very hard to take.
Meanwhile NATO is preparing reserves, just as last year, for another offensive. And there is no second mobilization announced preemptively in Russia.
P.S. The talk about attrition warfare and grinding down the enemy was widespread already in May 2022. We saw the results. It doesn’t help if you have 4 times the population, 10x the industrial capacity, and 10x the mobilization potential if the other side has a deep untouchable rear and has fully mobilized while you refuse to use your full potential and also don’t do anything to disconnect your opponents rear and isolate the combat area.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 8 2023 10:05 utc | 249

This post is about ex-Ukraine. This is not a measurement units post! So “please read” 🙂
Dead ex-Ukrainians
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Maybe I should explain more. These are of course very rough approximations.
Here’s why I said 2500:
(existing + new = total) 100000+900000=1000000
(new / year = monthly) 900000/12=75000
(monthly / 30 days = daily) 75000/30=2500
It is obviously a very rough calculation.
A different napkin calculation could be:
(total killed) 1100000
(average monthly killed in 11 months) 1100000/11=100000
(“rounded” killed on average in 30 days) 99990/30=3333
(“rounded” supply of people) 3500
So from looking at such very arbitrary possibilities one sees that the notion of roughly a million dead ex-Ukrainians would require something between 2500 and 3500 ex-Ukrainians being sent to the front each day.
The front line changes shape and length but for most of the time it has been close to being between 900 and 1100 kilometers long.
For simplicity let’s say 1000 km.
This means there would need to be 3 or 4 ex-Ukrainians dying per kilometer of front each day.
Just to bring it all into some form of perspective, however imprecise.
Claims of only about 200000 dead ex-Ukrainians is roughly one fifth of a million and if correct would imply that on average those 3 or 4 dead would be per 5 kilometers instead.
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To me both approximations (one million, two hundred thousand) feel like they could very easily be too low.
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Another point of view:
The very high level view of the SM0 is that the Allies have been in general moving forwards while the ex-Ukrainians have been constantly sending people to the front.
So let’s think area rather than line. (“Spherical cows” warning!).
Ignoring Lugansk and Donetsk since those were already to a large extent free from the ex-Ukrainians at th start of the SMO.
Zaporizhzhia oblast is 27,183 square km.
Kherson oblast is 28,461 square km.
Together 55644 square kilometers.
200000 dead for 55644 square km would mean roughly 4 dead per square kilometer during an entire year of fighting.
1100000 dead for 55644 square km would mean roughly 20 dead per square kilometer during an entire year of fighting.
For comparison the population density of the US state of Alaska is very roughly half a person per square kilometer.
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Helpful or confusing?
Misleading? Flawed?
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I’m probably not in the “credible”category but I think Russia will have to go to the full borders of ex-Ukraine and that they realized from before the start of the SMO that this was likely. I believe they have planned for the contingency that they will be forced to go much further than that.
I agree with the conclusions of Pacifica_Advocate ( Feb 8 2023 4:52 utc | 206 ).
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“LGB!” safe to say most here feel or have felt the same way. It is an incredibly sad state of world affairs but happily most of humanity are outside of “the west” and its “nazi clownland bubble”, remember that! 🙂
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Tuk and Paul Greenwood and Karlof1:
It would be very interesting to hear the Russian thoughts on this. It might not be of immediate importance though.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 8 2023 10:11 utc | 250

The west looks desperate now. The following video is so indistinct and disjointed:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/07/ukraine-releases-video-appearing-to-show-russian-troops-beating-own-wounded-officer

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Feb 8 2023 10:12 utc | 251

@223 barstool
You are confusing metric and decimal. Decimal counting was the Romans’ way more than 2000 years ago.
Even in the Imperial-Units part of the world, interest rates etc are given in %, which is a decimal notion as well.

Posted by: daniel_s | Feb 8 2023 10:15 utc | 252

Jpg the insanity can become more acute. When an ideology”s brain is filled with worms, can’t conceive of other thoughts. Then something will be learned. I hope it’s not at humanity”s cost.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 8 2023 10:15 utc | 253

@ Down South 233
“What will happen to the society, which had inflated expectations and, as a result, received the conditional Minsk-3? It’s the return spring of unrealized expectations that will kick us, our morals, and everything else, so much so that we’ll just be stunned.”
…Germany under Furher, circa 1939 – is an ideal analogy.
Eight years is enough time to poison nation’s brains with supremacy and pure blood nationalism, Ukraine for ukrainians 24/7

Posted by: Alex Vadim | Feb 8 2023 10:23 utc | 254

@ Down South 233
Russian Federation is actually consisting of 186 peacefully coexisting native ethnic diversities, with its cultural history stretching back for thousands of years, where the same original land owners still flourish and prosper inside todays Federation. Anybody unaware of Russian ethnicity should follow this link – https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Russia
Contrary to popular believe, territorial land mass of Russian Federation is not as big as it appears on the world map, https://jakubmarian.com/how-big-are-greenland-and-russia-in-comparison-to-africa/

Posted by: Alex Vadim | Feb 8 2023 10:42 utc | 255

Britain to train Ukrainian military pilots and Marines —The Telegraph
Downing Street has announced plans to expand training for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to sea and air – including fighter jet pilots and marines – and accelerate the supply of military equipment.
The training would ensure pilots are able to fly sophisticated Nato-standard fighter jets in the future, it said in a statement.
Calls to send Ukraine Western-made fighter jets like the F-16 have intensified in recent weeks, after Ukraine’s pleas for main battle tanks were answered.
The UK will also offer Ukraine long-range weapons to counter Russia, the media reported on Wednesday

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/32503

Posted by: Down South | Feb 8 2023 10:44 utc | 256

Posted by: paddy | Feb 7 2023 20:55 utc | 86
Joe Swamp-Hitler? Love it!

Posted by: anon2020 | Feb 8 2023 10:46 utc | 257

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Feb 7 2023 21:15 utc | 94
Reminded me when we were at conflict with Libya and we got supplied an X amount of storm shadow missiles to fire off. We used them all , they were soon to be out of date so it was easier to fire them into the desert than pay to get them decommissioned.

Posted by: Scot1and | Feb 8 2023 10:57 utc | 258

In the final analysis the collective west has lost it’s shine. It goes like this: I’m not relevant any more, well I’ll show you.I don’t have control,well I’ll show you!! Kids think like that. It’s exactly childish narcissistic ideology. That’s unfortunate and dangerous.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 8 2023 11:00 utc | 259

Strange things happen…
‼️MUST READ‼️ ‼️MUST READ‼️ ‼️MUST READ‼️
FROM OLEG TSAREV TODAY –
“Have you noticed that there is no shortage of oil products in Ukraine? There is an explanation for this. And this is not only the supply of Russian oil products.
The fact is that the largest oil refinery in Ukraine, the Kremenchug Oil Refinery (Ukrtatneft), continues to operate. And it works at full capacity. Some time ago, after April 2, 2022, the owners of the plant spread information through all channels that the plant was put out of action due to massive shelling from the Russian Federation and was standing still. At the same time, in fact, the plant never stopped. For some time, the plant operated at low power without flares in the pipes. Finished oil products were taken out by trucks at night. Now they have stopped hiding – the torch burns around the clock, finished oil products are taken out by rail. Even in the public Ukrainian space, information about his work appeared.
The plant, transferred to the Ministry of Defense for the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and with might and main openly supplying fuel and lubricants for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, has not yet been destroyed. A plant filled with easily flammable petroleum products is easily set on fire and very difficult to extinguish. It is impossible to explain that the plant is still working from the point of view of common sense.”

Posted by: Peter_S | Feb 8 2023 11:00 utc | 260

Talking about escalation..
“Russia’s nuclear doctrine is under revision in light of these aggressive plans being aired in the United States, so that Russia is headed towards a policy of ‘preventive’ tactical nuclear strikes, similar to what the United States has. Moreover, if Ukraine targets Crimea and heartland Russia, then Russia will respond according to plans now being laid down. These plans foresee counter strikes against U.S military installations in Europe and in the Continental United States using hypersonic missiles”
See article for more details and context:
https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2023/02/08/the-coming-existential-threat-do-we-act-in-common-or-is-it-going-to-be-every-man-for-himself/

Posted by: Et Tu | Feb 8 2023 11:12 utc | 261

Downsouth. Oh those bloody English. If this doesn’t go the west”s way, they have more to lose than the U.S.A.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 8 2023 11:16 utc | 262

“King Charles III to meet Ukrainian president”
The King will hold an audience with Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskiy today, Buckingham Palace has said.
The audience between the King and President Zelensky will take place at Buckingham Palace this afternoon.
(What’s he going to offer)

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Feb 8 2023 11:22 utc | 263

Posted by: mg | Feb 8 2023 2:10 utc | 177
Exactly what sort of underdevelopment prevents you from realizing that you’re ALWAYS doubling and halving in decimal units, because arabic numerals are base ten already?

Posted by: Arganthonios | Feb 8 2023 11:23 utc | 264

@260
there are many incomprehensible things in this war, such as supplying the enemy with fuel, metals necessary for the construction of weapons, food and so on,
the behavior of the Russian government seems to work against its army and against its soldiers

Posted by: A.cagliostro | Feb 8 2023 11:24 utc | 265

Talking about escalation..
“Russia’s nuclear doctrine is under revision in light of these aggressive plans being aired in the United States, so that Russia is headed towards a policy of ‘preventive’ tactical nuclear strikes, similar to what the United States has. Moreover, if Ukraine targets Crimea and heartland Russia, then Russia will respond according to plans now being laid down. These plans foresee counter strikes against U.S military installations in Europe and in the Continental United States using hypersonic missiles”
See article for more details and context:
https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2023/02/08/the-coming-existential-threat-do-we-act-in-common-or-is-it-going-to-be-every-man-for-himself/
Posted by: Et Tu | Feb 8 2023 11:12 utc | 261

A year late…

Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 8 2023 11:25 utc | 266

# 263 money with his handsome face on them.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 8 2023 11:27 utc | 267

The British government confirmed that it will start training that country’s pilots to operate NATO-standard fighter jets to coincide with his visit, though the reality is that this process likely began long ago and is only being disclosed now for reasons of “political convenience”.

https://t.me/korybko/2563
Of course it is. And if there’s a shortage of pilots, NATOstanis in Ukranazistani uniform will do the flying

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 8 2023 11:33 utc | 268

Talking about escalation..
“Russia’s nuclear doctrine is under revision in light of these aggressive plans being aired in the United States, so that Russia is headed towards a policy of ‘preventive’ tactical nuclear strikes, similar to what the United States has. Moreover, if Ukraine targets Crimea and heartland Russia, then Russia will respond according to plans now being laid down. These plans foresee counter strikes against U.S military installations in Europe and in the Continental United States using hypersonic missiles”
See article for more details and context:
https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2023/02/08/the-coming-existential-threat-do-we-act-in-common-or-is-it-going-to-be-every-man-for-himself/
Posted by: Et Tu | Feb 8 2023 11:12 utc | 261

According to existing Russian doctrine, any significant NATO invasion of Russian territory could trigger the red line of comprising an existential threat to the Russian state and be subject to tactical nuclear counterattacks. But it would be good for Russia to be more explicit about that. Same for conventional hypersonic missile attacks on any imperial military target anywhere on earth.
The change would be if Russia now were to enshrine that it may use tactical nukes preemptively against potential existential threats.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 8 2023 11:38 utc | 269

I think you’re (deliberately?) missing barstool’s point here. Having a base-10 system of measurements is great if you’re working with numbers as symbols. Doing math, essentially. But that we use 10 “digits” is only because, through accident of evolution, we have 10 “digits” on our hands.
If you’re using numbers with objects in the real world, halves-and-doubles is a much more human way to do it, for all the reason’s that barstool has pointed out. Also, the fact that we have two hands (why halves is easier) is a much more stable and popular strategy in the animal kingdom.
I’ll let you keep the squid and the starfish — you can start a decimal aquarium :p
Also, name-calling is lame.
Posted by: mg | Feb 8 2023 2:10 utc | 177

Can anyone explain, what is this stupid obsession with division or divisibility by two that’s appeared on MOA today?

Posted by: Lengai | Feb 8 2023 11:44 utc | 270

In just 24 hours, the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost two major sources of UAV supplies.
Not completely, of course, but probably there were significant damages.
The first supplier is the Latvian (https://t.me/Slavyangrad/32392) company Edge Autonomy, which in recent months also worked for Ukraine, supplying it with a variety of civilian UAVs, which were then either used locally as spotters or converted into combat platforms. Yesterday there was a major fire, the consequences of which the company’s management is not yet able to assess. Judging by the pictures of the fire, they are significant. 
But that, as it became clear this morning, was not the main loss for the AFU. More important events happened last night in Kharkov.
The second supplier, the Kharkov Aircraft Plant, which switched to UAV production long ago and was hit by six ballistic missiles last night, There is no exact data on the damage yet, but local authorities and Ukrainian channels and groups are kind of sad about the situation there. The damage here is probably significant, but it is also “not yet precisely defined.”
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/32513

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 8 2023 11:54 utc | 271

@Arganthonios | Feb 8 2023 1:32 utc | 165
Get a layer cake and cut it by hand with just a knife into ten equal-sized pieces. Not even one out of 256 people will get very close. Division by ten is not a natural act. Most people can half things pretty easily, and most can cut into thirds pretty well. Few can cut accurately into fifths. Tenths is very artificial and very few can do it without cutting into fifths first, and most of them will slip up before completing halfing each fifth.
Posted by: barstool | Feb 8 2023 6:33 utc | 223
Cut in half, eyeball the centerpiece so that it’s half as the remaining portions on each side; or if your vision for angles and measurements completely fucking sucks, use your goddamn fingers like a compass. Works the same for either radial or orthogonal.
You know that? I just did it to the table I’m on. Then I did it to a piece of paper just to make sure.
Works like a charm.
BTW, physically dividing continuous surfaces into odd numbers or multiples of odd numbers has jackshit to do with using the reasonable metric system, or barbaric customary systems which are entirely arbitrary, which in any case don’t help at all in performing the sort of operation you’re describing, BECAUSE IT DOESN’T FUCKING INVOLVE UNITS.
Is it any easier to cut a pizza in ten equal pieces if its radius is given in, I don’t know, squirrel tails, or shotgun buttstocks, or whatever else english-speaking ojosjuntos are “comfortable” enough with to consider elevating to a measurement unit? No, it fucking isn’t.
Your repeated squealings that “metric isn’t made for humans” are plainly preposterous.
It’s not made for other lifeforms, because other lifeforms cannot use measurement systems, therefore it was made for humans.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Feb 8 2023 11:57 utc | 272

Meeting with Prime Minister Sunak Ukrainian President Zelenskyj makes a surprise trip to Great Britain
The fact that President Volodymyr Zelenskyj is leaving the embattled Ukraine is still extraordinary: he is now on his way to Great Britain and is meeting King Charles there, among others. The EU is also expecting his visit.
02/08/2023, 10:45 a.m
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyj is expected in the British capital of London this Wednesday. This was announced by the office of British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak.
As the Reuters news agency reported, Zelenskyy’s spontaneous trip abroad includes a visit to Ukrainian soldiers who are currently being trained in Great Britain. A speech before the British House of Commons is also planned.
Meanwhile, Sunak’s office announced that the training of Ukrainian soldiers in the UK would be expanded. Accordingly, soldiers are to be trained for use as fighter jet pilots and in the Navy from now on. The training should enable the pilots to operate jets used by NATO. The provision of military equipment should also be accelerated.
“President Zelenskyy’s visit to the UK is a testament to the courage of his country,” Sunak was quoted as saying in a statement. The visit also shows the “unbreakable friendship between the two countries,” Sunak said.

Posted by: BonfireNight | Feb 8 2023 12:21 utc | 273

Same for conventional hypersonic missile attacks on any imperial military target anywhere on earth.
The change would be if Russia now were to enshrine that it may use tactical nukes preemptively against potential existential threats.
Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 8 2023 11:38 utc | 269

It’s hard to see how a hypersonic missile attack on NATO will not be nuclear.
For basic logistic reasons — there aren’t enough launchers and missiles to do sufficient damage with conventional strikes, and their range is still limited (the Russians were reportedly working on a very long-range hypersonic to be launched from Tu-160 and Tu-95M planes, but that is in the future, and those planes are also limited in number).
And we know that any substantial conventional attack will trigger an immediate strategic first strike if it actually hits the US or the UK (not clear what happens if e.g. Poland is evaporated — quite possibly the US will sit it out).
So it has to be a powerful one to disable ground-based launch points (an overlooked aspect here, actually demonstrated in Ukraine, is that hypersonics, because of the kinetic energy they have, may actually be able to take out hardened ICBM silos; looks like Kinzhals, coming from on top, should be able to do that, not sure about the Avangards though), the key airbases, whatever subs are in ports, key transport infrastructure (e.g. Rotterdam will be smoked), etc. Then you try to take out as many of the subs that are out at sea as you are able to track and pray that the S-400s, S-500s, and A-235 will be able to minimize the damage from whatever SLBMs are launched.
The question is once again how many actually deployed hypersonics there are, and what the actual interception capabilities of the two sides are.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 8 2023 12:22 utc | 274

barstool | Feb 8 2023 6:33 utc | 223
Slicing in tens: All you need to do is one “difficult” cut: slice one fifth off the total. Cut the remainder in fourths, and there you go with five fifths, provided that your first cut was not too bad.

Posted by: grunzt | Feb 8 2023 12:27 utc | 275

BonfireNight | Feb 8 2023 12:21 utc | 273
“The fact that President Volodymyr Zelenskyj is leaving the embattled Ukraine is still extraordinary: he is now on his way to Great Britain and is meeting King Charles there, among others. The EU is also expecting his visit.”
He must hope that one of these western visits he’ll be allowed to just stay there as head of a government-in-exile, relatively safe physically.
Of course we don’t really know where he normally exists. Offhand I can’t recall the last confirmed time he was actually in the Ukraine.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 8 2023 12:42 utc | 276

🇺🇦 Bodies of the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are found without vital organs in the morgue of the city hospital in Nikolaev.
Corpses of soldiers without organs or signs of injury appeared in the city morgue on Volodarsky Street.
📝 “We have already begun to see how corpses of fighters without injuries are used for organ harvesting,” said the activist of the Nikolaev underground.

There have been persistent rumors for years that Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo and Metohija has been a center of (live) organ harvesting. There have also been rumors that the Israeli Hospitals recently sent to Ukraine are really organ harvesting factories.

Posted by: Exile | Feb 8 2023 12:43 utc | 277

from TASS today
-Ukrainian troops have switched from hectic attacks to deliberately shelling hospitals in the Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR), acting leader Leonid Pasechnik said on Wednesday.
-UK to ship long-range weapons to Kiev to “disrupt Russia’s ability” to target Ukrainian facilities, as well as to “help relieve pressure on Ukraine’s frontlines.”

Posted by: rk | Feb 8 2023 12:49 utc | 278

shadowbanned | Feb 8 2023 12:22 utc | 274
“It’s hard to see how a hypersonic missile attack on NATO will not be nuclear.
For basic logistic reasons…
And we know that any substantial conventional attack will trigger an immediate strategic first strike if it actually hits the US or the UK (not clear what happens if e.g. Poland is evaporated — quite possibly the US will sit it out)….
The question is once again how many actually deployed hypersonics there are, and what the actual interception capabilities of the two sides are.”
I was just referring to the fact that conventional hypersonic attacks on any imperial target anywhere already are covered by existing Russian statements, not to their practicality or whether Russia should actually do that in any expectation that the empire wouldn’t respond in a nuclear way.
As for whatever Russia does with Poland, the US will respond however it chooses. Certainly Article 5 never means anything more or less than what the US wants it to mean at any given time. And I’m sure the US morally will be perfectly happy to use up the Poles, Balts, Finns, Romanians, and eventually Germans, Dutch, French etc. the exact same way it’s using up the Ukrainians.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 8 2023 12:55 utc | 279

Why is the Imperialist States of Amerikastan leaking the story to Hersh now? (Of course it is a deliberate leak and the “no truth to it” statements are pro forma only.) Two reasons immediately come to mind:
1. By now the Bidet regime knows Germanistan is far too much of a craven slave to do anything, even issue a protest, and
2. It is a warning to the other Europistani slaves that if they attempt to repair relations with Russia they’ll be forced to bear the consequences again.
https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 8 2023 12:57 utc | 280

Posted by: barstool | Feb 7 2023 23:37 utc | 134
We did lose a spacecraft because the European, (I think British,) programmer assumed that the US data was metric even though the specification called for English units. Both sides were “working in science [engineering.]”

This is false – the cause of the the loss of the Mars Climate Orbiter was the US based contractor Lockheed Martin’s use of obsolete units and failing to convert them to metric as per contract specifications:

Baffled NASA officials said they were struggling to figure out how this happened, and bracing themselves for an onslaught of derision.
“Our inability to recognize and correct this simple error has had major implications,” said JPL director Edward Stone.
The initial error was made by contractor Lockheed Martin Astronautics in Colorado, which, like the rest of the U.S. launch industry, traditionally uses English measurements. The JPL navigation team, on the other hand, uses metric measurements in the complex business of figuring out a spacecraft’s position relative to moving planets and keeping it on course. The contractor, by agreement, is supposed to convert its measurements to metrics. (Washington Post 1.10.1999)

Posted by: Lengai | Feb 8 2023 13:01 utc | 281

Posted by: Pacifica_Advocate | Feb 8 2023 4:52 utc | 206
Articulate and credible. Well done.

Posted by: osi | Feb 8 2023 13:03 utc | 282

I am unsure what Richi Sunak means when he says we will train pilots for the future. 1) the RAF does not operate F16s which the narrative tells us will be give to the UAF. 2) pilot training takes 5 years from scratch ,but if the Ukrainians are trained already is basic flying this could be less. On type training takes a very long time. 3) the cost alone to teach each pilot is up to .£5 million at the least. 4) the RAF does not have the capacity to train a significant number due assets are required to train our dwindling numbers. It just seems a false hope offer as like the tanks , time is not on their side

Posted by: Scot1and | Feb 8 2023 13:12 utc | 283

Posted by: Bill Smith | Feb 8 2023 13:06 utc | 283
This one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_Conventional_Armed_Forces_in_Europe
And the idea was not simply to sell tank, but to demilitarize them. No private company can legally buy and own tanks in Germany since they are weapons of war. What usually happens is that a company gets a contract to do something with these weapons. For example to destroy them.

Posted by: Tuk | Feb 8 2023 13:20 utc | 284

@Melaleuca:
I agree completely. No way no how the USA will get it’s meathooks into Crimea.
When the highly opinionated yet underinformed begin the screeching I sometimes suggest a comparison between the annexation of Kosovo vs Crimea. It’s usually met with a perplexed silence.

Posted by: Chevrus | Feb 8 2023 13:21 utc | 285

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 8 2023 12:55 utc | 279
It is possible to envison a lot of non-nuclear hypersonic attacks on NATO assets including in the US UK or France without nuclear all-out response (isolated nuclear tactical strike might be tempted, and even voluntarilly failing) in order to indicate the threshold has been crossed …
For instance Ramstein US Base, any or all of the 14 NATO aircraft carriers, any or all NATO air bases in Europe … there is almost no limit to the envisionable targets …
On the other hand either side could manifest their will by nuking an empty target far inside the other territory, like a mountain or an uninhabited place…
They could even strike the sites of the other side aerial nuclear tests from the fifties.
IMHO, there are unconventional ways to deliver nukes that would make it difficult to identify quickly the attacker making it hard to retaliate or strike anyone blindly … I’m not going to elaborate on this.
Nuclear war is not an all or nothing game…

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Feb 8 2023 13:28 utc | 286

As for whatever Russia does with Poland, the US will respond however it chooses. Certainly Article 5 never means anything more or less than what the US wants it to mean at any given time. And I’m sure the US morally will be perfectly happy to use up the Poles, Balts, Finns, Romanians, and eventually Germans, Dutch, French etc. the exact same way it’s using up the Ukrainians.
Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 8 2023 12:55 utc | 279

That seems to be the plan.
It is also why Poland is rearming like crazy — today the news were that they ordered 450+ HIMARS launchers. This is more MLRS of that class than anyone else in the world has (of course Russia will match and exceed by the time they actually arrive, if needed, but at the moment this would be the biggest such arsenal). This on top of a huge number of tanks, and everything else. For what? War with Germany? Lithuania? Czechia? Slovakia? Ukraine? We all know what it is for.
But while Ukrainians are brainwashed Russians so they were treated with kid gloves, there are will be no such sentimentalities involved when dealing with the Poles.
P.S. There is a certain line of thinking according to which a key reason why we are about to play nuclear brinkmanship like it has never been done before is that there is barely anyone left alive who remembers seeing even the last surface tests, let alone the actual bombings in 1945. So the collective memory has faded and people are playing fast and loose with the end of the world. The West is certainly doing things that would be completely unthinkable prior to 1989, and about to escalate even further.
So maybe, just maybe, if some particularly belligerent country is wiped out as an small-scale example of the kind of fire that is being played with here, that will have the effect of cooling off the hot heads. Lithuania and Poland are prime candidates . Estonia and Latvia you can’t do because they are 30-40% Russian (which is too bad because Latvia is the second most Nazi places in the world after Western Ukraine), but Lithuania and Poland are so crazy Russophobic and militantly belligerent, and it is not just at the level of elites at this point, that they kind of deserve it.
Why the population of those countries is readily going along with the plan for volunteering for that kind of experiment I have no idea…
This is also why Russia should have already done an underground test, and if that did not stop escalation, a surface one, from an ICBM and/or an SLBM — to test the whole system end to end (which has actually never been done by them, and only once ever — by the US in 1963). It can be detonated over Novaya Zemlya, or even over some completely abandoned town in remote northern Siberia (that would give footage of the destruction of buildings). Plenty of those to choose from.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 8 2023 13:31 utc | 287

On the other hand either side could manifest their will by nuking an empty target far inside the other territory, like a mountain or an uninhabited place…
They could even strike the sites of the other side aerial nuclear tests from the fifties.

The first step would presumably be a surface test inside their own territory.

For instance Ramstein US Base, any or all of the 14 NATO aircraft carriers, any or all NATO air bases in Europe … there is almost no limit to the envisionable targets …
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Feb 8 2023 13:28 utc | 288

Right now there are ships transporting tanks and Bradley IFVs to Ukraine from the US. Russia is fully within its legal right to strike those. That would be presumably the first step long before sinking carriers.
Arguably it should already have been done, but Putin is a cuck.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 8 2023 13:34 utc | 288

“As to the S-400, etc. The first nuclear detonations will likely make those systems largely ineffective due to the ionization of the atmosphere. And then there is EMP. True on both sides.”
Posted by: Bill Smith | Feb 8 2023 13:18 utc | 285
The Soviets had quite impressive achievements in vacuum tubes. They called them “thermionic valves” and may still use them in some of their arsenals.

Posted by: Catilina | Feb 8 2023 13:48 utc | 289

@290
could we please stop blaming President Putin for this or that military decision? If there is any president who has shown courage and initiative on the one hand, and patience and restraint (to prevent a world-ending war) on the other, it must be him. Why, compare him to Obama, the Bush Dynasty, Trump, Biden, Macron, the UK clowns, the German crooked dwarfs…I think Putin has more brains than all of them combined! I do not worship any president but I do now who deserves respect.

Posted by: Anthony | Feb 8 2023 13:52 utc | 290

@ shadowbanned | Feb 8 2023 13:34 utc | 290
Again, easier to destroy these piecemeal deliveries when they’re closer and zero chance of being smeared about sinking a Lusitania — even if that was valid too.

Posted by: natokraine | Feb 8 2023 13:53 utc | 291

You talk about nukes but Russia didn’t move a finger on the economic side of war. Putin set gas for rubles but that isn’t doing much now, since NS attack. And the rule does not apply to LNG anyway. Japan was allowed back in Sakhalin project.
“The question is once again how many actually deployed hypersonics there are, and what the actual interception capabilities of the two sides are.”
Some were in production in 2018. There’s no way they don’t have many of them now. Development of new models continues. But you won’t see them used on junk targets in Ukr. Those 2-3 were tests. A massive use will be kept for nato, like the EW weapons from Crimea and Kaliningrad. And Duda can buy anything he wants, Russia won’t go there on tanks or with airplanes. If there’s such a need, it’ll be a flash and Pooland no more.

Posted by: rk | Feb 8 2023 13:54 utc | 292

You talk about nukes but Russia didn’t move a finger on the economic side of war. Putin set gas for rubles but that isn’t doing much now, since NS attack. And the rule does not apply to LNG anyway. Japan was allowed back in Sakhalin project.
Posted by: rk | Feb 8 2023 13:54 utc | 294

100% agreement.
Right now the fuel that Ukrainian vehicles are running on to attack Russian positions is Russian and the weapons the West is supplying are made with Russian raw materials and using Russian energy.
The West should have been cut off cold turkey from all commodity exports back in March 2022.
And yet right now it is not even clear if Russia is not actually complying with the price cap, despite all the proclamations it would not sell to those applying it.
This is treason territory…

Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 8 2023 14:02 utc | 293

Posted by: rk | Feb 8 2023 13:54 utc | 294
Global trade for global commodities like LNG is still functioning normally. EU sanctions did nothing but alter delivery routes for commodities. The other thing they did is raise the cost to deliver. In essence yes, EU still gets commodities and Russia still gets paid for commodities.
The net effect is third hand intermediaries for these commodities are the only winners, EU is the loser and Russia is more or less neutral.

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 8 2023 14:03 utc | 294

@ shadowbanned | Feb 8 2023 13:34 utc | 290
Again, easier to destroy these piecemeal deliveries when they’re closer and zero chance of being smeared about sinking a Lusitania — even if that was valid too.
Posted by: natokraine | Feb 8 2023 13:53 utc | 293

The Germans didn’t have the largest nuclear arsenal in the world and the most advanced delivery systems when they did that.
What is the US going to do if that ship is sunk? Or if those Global Hawk drones south of Crimea (where, BTW, they flew again yesterday, which is usually an ominous sign something is about to go down; once again completely unborthered) are shot down or intercepted with EW methods and landed in Crimea? Launch everything?
No, they’re not going to do it, but they will stop flying those drones there.
The Iranians intercepted one previously, they weren’t nuked.
And now there is the precedent with the balloon to use too.
P.S. One little noticed detail — the ship with the 60 Bradley IFVs was actually under a Swedish flag. And Sweden isn’t the US nor is it in NATO. So there is even less of an excuse for not sinking it.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Feb 8 2023 14:07 utc | 295

Posted by: bevin | Feb 7 2023 22:44 utc | 118
Link you provided went nowhere. So I copied it then pasted it; added an ‘s’ to the http and then removed final ‘/’. Pressed enter and received a ‘firefox’ warning that the site is
‘insecure’ and someone could steal info from my PC! Could be bollocks, but that appears to be where we are at in the land of forelock tuggers. Weird really, as I’m sure I’ve visited the sight in question before.
Other than that I would like to express my appreciation for your contributions to the ongoing conversation.

Posted by: Lantern Dude | Feb 8 2023 14:12 utc | 296

shadowbanned @297

the ship with the 60 Bradley IFVs was actually under a Swedish flag. And Sweden isn’t the US nor is it in NATO. So there is even less of an excuse for not sinking it.

If the goal is to get Sweden into NATO as quickly as possible, then sinking that ship would be a good idea.

Posted by: aquileia | Feb 8 2023 14:17 utc | 297

It has been mentioned before that the EU thinks it is the center of the world, the “garden”. There is a large group of countries that now can ignore the EU and have a life without them, the countries in the “jungle”.
The EU can focus on the borderlands of Russia (what the Ukraine has been for centuries) and on the internal problems in their “garden”, like high heating costs for the fuel they scrounge from countries in the “jungle”, and becoming defenseless as they give much of their armament to the borderlands, while the rest of the world makes deals and builds transportation corridors and trades with each other, having access to fuel and goods from each other.
It really is “funk the EU”.
When you look at the globe it becomes apparent how small the EU is, compared to many “jungle” countries – small and irrelevant.

Posted by: a lurking reader | Feb 8 2023 14:19 utc | 298

In response barstool@223,
Although it’s off topic, it’s a welcome break to the monotony of the war coverage. Here’s my suggestion for cutting round shapes into equal pieces.
Use your mind to superimpose the image of a clock-face onto the object you’re trying to cut. With the initial cut at 12, it’s easy to get 2 equal pieces on either side of 12 whatever the ratio you’re trying for. For subsequent cuts, rotate the object so that either of the outer cuts aligns with 12 and repeat the process. Try it a couple of times and it should feel as natural as halving (at least it does for me, though I can’t prove that I’m fully human).
I find it’s much more difficult eyeballing perfectly circular shapes out of square objects. Maybe ratios expressed as irrational numbers aren’t natural, even though nature is full of them?

Posted by: Skiffer | Feb 8 2023 14:22 utc | 299

@ Alex Vadim 255
That comparison of Russia to Africa looks wrong to me. It is true that a Mercator’s map of the whole globe is heavily distorted (while for smaller regions it is by far the best), but those world map justice warriors (wmjw) usually do no better and produce projections that are as wrong as the Mercator’s one, without the benefits. They miss the fact that the Earth is a globe, so when they take the West-East size of Russia, they actually take the shortest distance, which is the distance given by Google and similar tools, because it is the easiest to compute and the only which is uniquely defined. However Russia, being so big and projected on a globe, has a banana shape and the shortest distance between its extremes is not the actual lenght of the landmass. That downsizes Russia by a 15%.

Posted by: SG | Feb 8 2023 14:25 utc | 300