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February 27, 2023

Edward Snowdon Signs On To Distribute U.S. Gov Propaganda

Edward, you are an idiot.

Edward Snowden @Snowden - 15:36 UTC · Feb 26, 2023

Do you remember the "institutional" and social media corpo response in the first half of 2020 when someone contradicted the consensus? They were punished for the "crime" of "disinformation."

Corporations must never again be permitted to police speech.

wsj.com
WSJ News Exclusive | Lab Leak Most Likely Origin of Covid-19 Pandemic, U.S. Agency Now Says
The Energy Department’s revised assessment of how the pandemic started is based on new intelligence.
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Moon of Alabama @MoonofA - 16:05 UTC · Feb 26, 2023

How is the U.S. Energy Department (which is the 'intelligence' here) qualified to make such conclusions? Is Michael A. Gordon, famous for Iraq WMD claims, an author qualified to write more than garbage?

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Edward Snowden @Snowden · 14h
Do you remember the "institutional" and social media corpo response in the first half of 2020 when someone contradicted the consensus? They were punished for the "crime" of "disinformation."

Corporations must never again be permitted to police speech.
https://wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a

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chinahand @chinahand - 17:52 UTC · Feb 26, 2023

to recap the actual state of play: meaningless DoE report gets leaked to journos so credentialed cretins can assist USG in making anti-China hay. Gotta change the name to "less than zero media"

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Caitlin Johnstone @caitoz - 11:35 UTC · Feb 27, 2023

It's the same guy. IT'S THE SAME FUCKING GUY.

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Mark Ames @MarkAmesExiled - 13h
DC's China War lobby dusting off their Iraq WMD tool to revive lab leak theory


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The new 'report':


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Lab Leak Most Likely Origin of Covid-19 Pandemic, Energy Department Now Says
U.S. agency’s revised assessment is based on new intelligence
By Michael R. Gordon and Warren P. Strobel
Updated Feb. 26, 2023 4:29 pm ET

The U.S. Energy Department has concluded that the Covid pandemic most likely arose from a laboratory leak, according to a classified intelligence report recently provided to the White House and key members of Congress.
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The Energy Department made its judgment with “low confidence,” according to people who have read the classified report.
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U.S. officials declined to give details on the fresh intelligence and analysis that led the Energy Department to change its position.
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The National Intelligence Council, which conducts long-term strategic analysis, and four agencies, which officials declined to identify, still assess with “low confidence” that the virus came about through natural transmission from an infected animal, according to the updated report.
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THREATS AND RESPONSES: THE IRAQIS; U.S. SAYS HUSSEIN INTENSIFIES QUEST FOR A-BOMB PARTS
By Michael R. Gordon and Judith Miller
Sept. 8, 2002

More than a decade after Saddam Hussein agreed to give up weapons of mass destruction, Iraq has stepped up its quest for nuclear weapons and has embarked on a worldwide hunt for materials to make an atomic bomb, Bush administration officials said today.

In the last 14 months, Iraq has sought to buy thousands of specially designed aluminum tubes, which American officials believe were intended as components of centrifuges to enrich uranium. American officials said several efforts to arrange the shipment of the aluminum tubes were blocked or intercepted but declined to say, citing the sensitivity of the intelligence, where they came from or how they were stopped.
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While there is no indication that Iraq is on the verge of deploying a nuclear bomb, Iraq's pursuit of nuclear weapons has been cited by hard-liners in the Bush administration to make the argument that the United States must act now, before Mr. Hussein acquires nuclear arms and thus alters the strategic balance in the oil-rich Persian Gulf.
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Hard-liners are alarmed that American intelligence underestimated the pace and scale of Iraq's nuclear program before Baghdad's defeat in the gulf war. Conscious of this lapse in the past, they argue that Washington dare not wait until analysts have found hard evidence that Mr. Hussein has acquired a nuclear weapon. The first sign of a ''smoking gun,'' they argue, may be a mushroom cloud.

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Yes the timing is suspicious - but we should be happy that the obvious truth of C19 origins are being admitted. Lack of true reporting has killed us.

Posted by: Gana | Feb 27 2023 7:27 utc | 1

The devil can quote the bible for his own purposes (or something like that). Climate change is a good example - it is a real thing, but we only know about it because it suits the mafia agenda.

For sure Covid was created in a US weapons biolab - look at the evidence, not the messenger. Whether it was Wuhan or Ukraine who knows? But I agree, we are only being told this (by the energy dept?! wtf?) because it suits the mafia to attack china.

Posted by: Tim Richard Glover | Feb 27 2023 7:39 utc | 2

What is not being said, perhaps is more important. Of course, the USA is the obvious choice.

Posted by: JG | Feb 27 2023 7:46 utc | 3

It was a lab leak from Fort Detrick in Maryland due to a flood that wiped out the autoclaves.

Posted by: Haassaan | Feb 27 2023 7:53 utc | 4

wait what did snowden do wrong???

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 27 2023 8:00 utc | 5

So Russia bad!
China bad!
Who's going to be next?
I think we should remember Who's worst!
Pathetic!

Posted by: jpc | Feb 27 2023 8:02 utc | 6

Even if it WAS a leak from the Wuhan lab, there is no denying American funding, organizing, etc...so why is Snowden being accused of echoing US DoS propaganda?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 27 2023 8:04 utc | 7

Not seeing where Snowden said it was a deliberate leak, or it was from a bioweapons lab, or it was inadvertently weaponized, or it was from a lab in China, and not somewhere else, like Ukraine.

He's a rational person who's thinking aloud, and afaik didn't scapegoat China.

Also afaik he has an incentive to not post nonsense that would piss off a friend of Russia, namely China.

With humbleness, I suggest we, including myself, wait on more info.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Feb 27 2023 8:07 utc | 8

Snowden is not a CPC admirer like B, one reason he fled Hong Kong and the PRC to Russia and South America. The FBI/NSA are still amateurs on "1984" compared to the CPC and Snowden knew that. He would have been served on a platter to US VP Biden to keep mutual busine$$ as usual. Ask Hunter.

The PRC had one BSL4 lab, in Wuhan. 1 + 1 = 2, not 0.

I don't plead US DoD free at all from their "EcoHealth" suicidal research, but the CPC (and other regimes elsewhere) let it happen on their soil. Many other nations did not go for this madness.

Posted by: Antonym | Feb 27 2023 8:07 utc | 9

Um. All true from my understanding. US bioweapons lab in on Ft. Derrick shutdown. But dates, the big epidemic was afterward.
US bioweapons lab in Wuhan, not far from where people in Wuhan began getting sick. Wuhan, the first place to have major COVID cases. So that place was a major first spreader.
Was it the only place? Maybe not. Was it the first place? Maybe not.

I know a guy who was asked to clean batshit from an attic in summer 2019 in a remote area, who got a disease that the hospital labeled "community pneumonia"...

Wasn't securing the biolabs the first thing Russia did when it entered Ukraine?
Any country which hosts a biolab for another country has bats in their belfry.

Posted by: HelenB | Feb 27 2023 8:07 utc | 10

Maybe it is alright to point out that they are now endorsing something that they vigorously denied, and had meetings to work out how they were going to deny it - even if there was some other disturbing truth behind it all.

Posted by: John Stone | Feb 27 2023 8:22 utc | 11

I see C-19 as a joint venture. US funding and direction with China hosting and carrying out the research. Whether it escaped from the Lab or was deliberately released is moot at this point.

They should never have been doing gain of function research in the first place.

Posted by: Down South | Feb 27 2023 8:26 utc | 12

Folks, the issue here isn't some lab leak theory.

This is about anti-China propaganda and how it is pushed into the U.S. mainstream.

Snowden is dumb for not recognizing this and, by tweeting about it, only helps to amplify it.

Posted by: b | Feb 27 2023 8:31 utc | 13

I don’t get it. What is the problem here. Covid 19 most likely was a bioweapon released from such a lab anyway. Too many reputable scientists have said it is not a natural virus but is a chimera, “man-made” and buts and pieces of different virii. Either released on purpose or by accident. Even if from Wuhan , so what? US dollars were spent there. So what of it?

In fact, the “publicised “ spread was from the time period of the Wuhan War Games ; where US soldiers participated. There was also a whole spate of “ atypical pneumonia” blamed on vaping in the US , when the US lab was shut down for virus escapes.

Anyone with a brain knows this was a bioweapon! Almost certainly released by the Americans , who didn’t anticipate or care enough about a potential much-worse blowback on themselves.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Feb 27 2023 8:32 utc | 14

I think you are judging Snowden too harshly. Propagandists aren't stupid. Anybody can fall for their tricks, no matter how smart he might be.

Posted by: mataj | Feb 27 2023 8:34 utc | 15

@Tim, 3

Yes climate change is a real thing, Tim; controlled mainly by the complex CYCLICAL cosmic dance of the Sun and planets, which varies the solar distance from the Earth constantly, and therefore the amount of insolation the we receive - varies it, that is, within limits.

This has been happening since the Earth was formed, and continues today. It's made the difference in the past between Snowball Earth - when all the different periodicities of the cyclic dance came together at once to create an unusually low mean temperature - and Tropical Earth, when they came together at the opposite extreme. Hence the Milankovitch Cycle of Ice Ages and Interglacial Warm Periods.

As Quebecois physicist and polymath Denis Rancourt demonstrates, CO2 and the other 'greenhouse gases' make some contribution in the heating direction; but only modestly, compared to the much larger effect of the endless cosmic cycling. And as Denis further demonstrates (see his website) once CO2 reaches optical saturation in its response to insolation, doubling, tripling or even quadrupling the amount of CO2 above that point produces barely-noticeable extra warming effects. That is: NO positive-feedback runaway effect. The constant, huge cycling of CO2 between air, oceans and soils/vegetation also dwarfs the amount of CO2 that we are adding to the atmosphere - for the time being, until Peak Energy puts a stop to that.

Considering the way that the 'covid'-plus-poison-stabs swindle has been scammed on us all over the past three years - and counting - it might be a good idea to re-examine the other panics floated in recent times by the Permanent Bullshit Blizzard coming from the mediawhores, the pocket politicians, their career-technocrat gophers, and the oligarch multibillionaires and corporate crooks who own them all.

Is there a real, imminent climate emergency at all? Really? That looks a good deal less than certain. Question absolutely everything that we've been propagandised to believe.

Posted by: Rhisiart Gwilym | Feb 27 2023 8:34 utc | 16

Seem to recall, from Russiagate, that “low confidence” means somewhat less reliable than a guess.

Posted by: necromancer | Feb 27 2023 8:42 utc | 17

They are preparing a campaign to accuse China of creating Covid. This is what I gather from this piece of news. Nothing to do with science.

Posted by: Giovanni Dall'Orto | Feb 27 2023 8:52 utc | 18

This is the same B that has been so informed on so many matters? He reckons an experienced non compromising professional like Edward Snowden would also be stupid? Cognitive dissonance here?

The guy simply stated what is very likely to be a fact. Many others have said it before him. The evidence is there. Is China and the CPC a sacred cow?

It's remarkable how B can be neutral and remain purely factual in his writing style, when dealing on most matters, including the most concerning ones, like an ongoing war on European soil, and at the same time go off and aim at the messenger when it is about the COVID crisis. Is there anything there Mr B who we could help you with? 🙂

We each and all of us have our subjectivity.

Anyway, I hope my above words will be well received, as sarcasm is not my purpose at all.

I must again tip my hat to B for his open discussion spirit.

Posted by: Stephane | Feb 27 2023 9:00 utc | 19

snowden guested at cyber hacking conferences in israel. hmmm

Posted by: hankster | Feb 27 2023 9:03 utc | 20

Saying it came out of a lab doesn't mean saying the Chinese govt created it. Ever heard of Peter Daszak and the Eco Health Alliance?

Posted by: Peter | Feb 27 2023 9:07 utc | 21

Snowdon is right. B is wrong as in everything covid.

Posted by: DG | Feb 27 2023 9:11 utc | 22

Climate change is a good example - it is a real thing, but we only know about it because it suits the mafia agenda.

Posted by: Tim Richard Glover | Feb 27 2023 7:39 utc | 3

You climate cultist scum are pathetic. Just a bunch of rabid animals that need to be put down in like manner.

Posted by: Michigan Dude | Feb 27 2023 9:18 utc | 23

Ron Unz has made a compelling case that Covid was some sort of US bioweapon attack on the PRC.

https://www.unz.com/page/covid-biowarfare-articles/

Posted by: Exile | Feb 27 2023 9:19 utc | 24

The Wall Street Journal has the best articles. Here is one from today that somehow misses the sabotage of the NS pipelines.

War in Ukraine Drives New Surge of U.S. Oil Exports to Europe

With the West mostly shunning Russia’s oil and gas, U.S. crude exports increase

A year of war in Ukraine is revitalizing U.S. oil exports as a source of financial influence and geopolitical power.

As the West has shunned most Russian energy, unleashing a pressure campaign against the Kremlin’s petroleum revenues, record U.S. crude exports have helped fill the gap in Europe with the oil needed to produce gasoline, diesel and jet fuel.

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https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/u-s-regains-its-energy-clout-as-ukraine-war-enters-second-year-2b910ff

With regard to Covid-19's origin, everything studied passes through human hands.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 27 2023 9:24 utc | 25

B is, of course, wrong about Covid. It is this virus. B probably has some reason for not wanting the truth.

Posted by: henry | Feb 27 2023 9:24 utc | 26

If you want a "lab leak" you should be in Chapel Hill, NC and ask Ralph Baric.

You might also ask how ModeRNA was using a "spike protein genome sequence" back in 2016 that turned up in the "pandemic"

https://weather.com/en-IN/india/coronavirus/news/2022-02-26-new-study-finds-covid-19-dna-linked-to-moderna-patent-filed-in

China has long been the source of most flu because of pigs proximity to humans BUT the "Spanish Flu" originated in USA not China and was virulent with the young...............because.......

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 27 2023 9:32 utc | 27

Posted by: too scents | Feb 27 2023 9:24 utc | 26

Really ? So how do those refineries in "Europe" designed for Urals Crude handle the very different API from US oil exports ?

https://www.mckinseyenergyinsights.com/resources/refinery-reference-desk/crude-grades/

Europe is importing Russian oil through India and Saudi Arabia

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 27 2023 9:37 utc | 28

Snowden does have his ideas about things. Like about humanitarians from Saudi Arabia:

(Saudi Arabia to send $410 mln humanitarian aid to Ukraine
https://tass.com/world/1581791 )

Edward Snowden: Israeli spyware was used to track and eventually kill Jamal Kashoggi
https://www.businessinsider.com/edward-snowden-israeli-spyware-nso-group-pegasus-jamal-khashoggi-murder-2018-11

And about kindly mom & pop Swiss financiers:

Snowden’s memoir: Key takeaways on his time in Geneva
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/permanent-record_key-takeaways-from-snowden-s-book-on-his-geneva-spying/45239584

“Snowden says he was based at the US Mission in Geneva, a city which was “a refined Old World capital of family banking” at the intersection of EU and international fibre-optic networks and “within the shadow of key communications satellites”.”

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 27 2023 9:39 utc | 29

@ Paul Greenwood | Feb 27 2023 9:37 utc | 29

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The WSJ article is wack.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 27 2023 9:42 utc | 30

1) I personally think the 'lab leak theory' is, more likely than not, true.
2) But I am 100% against war with China and propaganda that promotes it. War with China is just as dumb of an idea as war with Russia, maybe dumber.

Given the limited context here, It's not clear that Snowden was even endorsing the lab leak theory. What he was doing is pointing out that corporations who have appointed themselves as thought police are now allowing an idea which they had previously disallowed.

Posted by: rockstar | Feb 27 2023 10:04 utc | 31

Leaked or not, Robert Malone ("inventor" of mRNA back in 80s or early 90s) claimed that every western medical agency bypassed the needed testing for the western anti-Covid mRNA products. This was done by disregarding the fact that there should have been the genetic editing rules applied to the testing of mRNA, but the medical agencies together agreed that it was actually a vaccine. It was simply the technology, the mRNA platform for delivering RNA code, or genetic material to cells, they wanted to implement at all costs.

Regarding Covid-19 and bat virus research, Eco Health alliance run the projects around the world, including in Wuhan. It was funded by DTRA, a Pentagon subsidiary department. Dr. Fauci was himself involved in the gain-of-function research, which was developed on base of the virus they extracted from the bat.

Regarding "lab leak or natural" discussion, it's a partial truth. Maybe the virus actually did originate from the bat, but it was only further modified as per the gain-of-function. Both are true, but the whole truth was obfuscated.

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 27 2023 10:11 utc | 32

Even if the lab leak is an accident, like it could well be, the fact that it happened in China does not absolve the US at all. In fact it should incriminate the US as it is the US who outsourced this work there, because US laws prevented the Faucy gang from doing this work on US soil.
In the same fashion, the US set up many such labs around the world, in the Ukraine and in Georgia for example.

Posted by: Stephane | Feb 27 2023 10:13 utc | 33

what was the result in the earlier China-Covid allegations? There was an international team from WHO that investigated in China. In the end, China said: OK, we have been checked, the next investigation should take place in the US.
If it was about banned biological weapons research, I think it is more urgent to have the events in the jungle of Guyana (Jonestown) examined internationally.

Posted by: theresamarquesa | Feb 27 2023 10:23 utc | 34

(Saudi Arabia to send $410 mln humanitarian aid to Ukraine

Elsewhere a few weeks ago I read Saudi had sent aid to Donbas..............so it is nothing special, and hopefully they have sent aid to Syria and Turkey..........and Yemen

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Feb 27 2023 10:43 utc | 35

This is a tough one.

It's bundling 2 questions into one article.

1. Is it a lab made virus or was it natural.
2. Is it OK to police speech or are you a free speech absolutist.

Those are a matter of unobtainable knowledge and ideology for common mortals.

Posted by: Vikichka | Feb 27 2023 10:44 utc | 36

At the beginning of the 'pandemic' in 2020, Covid was said to have originated from wild bats or from the Wuhan live meat market (which was closed down). People who wondered whether it might have come from the Wuhan bioresearch labs were sneered at as conspiracy kooks. Later it was revealed that the Wuhan labs were run with US and/or French participation. Last year the Russians discovered the US bioresearch labs in the Ukraine. What was their purpose?

There seems to be a tangled web here. 'Just what the truth is I don't know any more.'

Posted by: B. Wildered | Feb 27 2023 10:46 utc | 38

Just a quick skim of this thread shows exactly how & why amerikans lap up so much horeshit then turn to their mate and say "Hey Chip that horseshit is a mighty fine intelligence pill" As long as what is being said conforms to a carefully implanted prejudice that Chip, Bing & Chuck have ingested since birth, they gobble it down & fail to notice the subtext of the garbage they have just been fed courtesy of the usual sources nyt, cable news whatever.
The biden mob have been forced to back off their balloon horseshit cos it was so ridiculous so now stupid amerikans are being fed the kung flu crap once more and are gobbling it down like it's mother's milk without thinking "Hmm after all those years of denial why is the blob feeding us this now? "
Anyone with half a brain can see this is about selling amerikans on "China is evil, they destroyed amerika's economy & culture by spreading covid"

Keep lapping up the horseshit, swallow this unquestioningly and pretty soon amerikans will be able to wallow in another big lie that confirms their so-called culture war prejudices at the same time as it builds up enmity for China, Russia, Iran or whoever else has shown amerika a well deserved middle finger. You'll be nuked with a huge shit eating grin on yer faces and then the rest of the world will get to laugh.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Feb 27 2023 10:58 utc | 39

B is correct on this.
The Sars-cov-2 virus was circulating worldwide months before the Wuhan outbreak was reported, as per waste water sample testing. The question is : why were the Chinese the first to actually report and investigate this outbreak. Because China has been under bio-weapon-attack from the Japanese and later from US/NATO countries since WW2. They have been watching out for these bio-weapon-attacks for decades. My bird reads the Wall Street Journal at the bottom of her cage. And apparently Snowden's bird lets him read it too.

Posted by: Gerald | Feb 27 2023 11:22 utc | 40

In the covid lockdown there was lots of discussion about Chinese live animal markets and why the Chinese eat dogs. Us Westerners are heavily brainwashed by Bible teachings so it's weird for us to eat certain things.

I've no idea if it's true, but it was postulated that animals are seen in China as a source of spiritual energy, and enraging the dog increases the
energy consumed. I find it curious that Fauci was involved in " increasing functionality " of a virus, as if the collaboration with Chinese scientists had removed certain Christian taboos against Animism, getting energy from creation.

I worked at a tiny food company owned by the Sultan of Brunei, based here in England, and we were astonished to hear that in a strict Muslim country there was an overwhelming desire not to offend local " spirits " in Brunei when it came to siting a factory or using a spring..

Bearing in mind that our cultures are so different, the excitement engendered by Chinese collaboration introduced concepts that are revolting to us but inspiring to them. Gain of function of a virus sounds appalling to us , but fascinating to them.
The manager of the Wuhan Lab, which was partially funded by the US Defence Dept. , had continuously warned about the risk of but viruses spreading to humans for 30 years. Her interest was medical. US Defence Dept.'s interest was medical? Or lethal?

Anyway , the Anglosaxons weakest point is not medical, but spiritual. 2000 years after Jesus pbuh taught to do to others as you would be done by, and not to judge others whose circumstances you do not know or understand, the West has never implemented these basic spiritual lessons into its Foreign Policy. Why? Only now that a non-biblical society is looking at the West is it suddenly realised that the West, the hosts of every tome of monotheism , implements none of their teachings.
But the East , receiver of none of those teachings, still retains politeness and respect to all from their own historicsl teachings.


Food for thought there. No problem of communication should be shied away from.
Yes. The word Kufr/ disbelief means denial, sweeping things under the carpet, refusing to admit inconvenient truths. God is testing us to see who turns to goodness and who to badness. It seems that the holders of knowledge are sometimes the ones who break all the rules, and maybe that is because God tests them at PhD level and they fail.

The up to date PhD textbook for hunan life on earth is the Qur'an. The PhD answers are not in the Bible, nor Confucianism.

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 27 2023 11:31 utc | 41

Multi-factionalism of American Government decision making at the highest levels is running rampant due to a vaccum of authority in the office of the US president. I read yesterday that he had spent 303 days on holiday (40% of presidency) and I know that on most days the US president calls a lid just a little after midday.

Only an idiot would deny that the lab leak was the source of Covid. At the same time only an idiot would deny the american government was funding the whole thing.

The globalist agenda would have seen Clinton in the white house when Covid was released, allowing the US's sovereignty to be easily handed over to the WHO, adding a further layer of control by china over the US government.

I have always been of the belief that CCP is the ultimate hand that is pushing the anti-russian agenda. Every american weapon, aircraft & vehicle sold or used has a chip that can render it inert, activated by radiofrequency similar to the system used by Russia for the Dead Hand.

China, by controlling the democrat party & effective use of 'barbarian management' ie. favoring certain multinational corporations with sweetheart investments in China and access to slave labour, is a big player in the globalist narrative, whether as a shaper, director or participant.

With about 10 years left before their population effectively halves in terms of fighting forces, they will seek to continue the KGB project of destabilising the west by de-intellectualising western nations with the byzantine corruption, ie. adding layers of complexity to society till it collapses, such as LGBTQIA+ and the pedophile agenda.

This will effectively mean that the world will divide itselves into two camps irrespective of country, nation color or creed. That is, the athiestic/satanist pedophile enabling LGBTQIA+ supporters of purple and blue hair and facial piercings on one side, and anyone who believes in God on the other.

China as an athiestic, communist country has the support of one side. it is obvious which side Russia will be on.

Posted by: enkidu | Feb 27 2023 11:34 utc | 42

Just to say that I watched a part of a US Congress Session very recently in which Rand Paul was seriously questioning a USA Government official about Covid and the Wuhan Lab. His questions were highly relevant and he went after the official relentlessly. He was essentially saying that Congress had now been informed that the USA was covertly funding research on Covid in the Wuhan Lab bypassing Congress in the process. By chance, Congress had been informed anonymously about it. He was like a Rottweiler with this official but very professional. Very insightful questions. The Official was clearly struggling with the questions. I haven't got a link and I cannot remember which Blog I got the video clip from. If I find it I'll post it.

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Feb 27 2023 11:36 utc | 43

How to read between the lines the likely meaning: a quick translation for those who still haven't got it.

Alleged by US sources to be "lab leak" (phrased to conveniently implication China if possible, but even if it would be proven to be of US origin [either lab leak or deliberate], an alleged "lab leak" is a less severe criminal indictment than proof of intentional creation and release as bioweapon by US) - this is a limited hangout by the US guilty party to support their defence that US did not deliberately release Covid-19 as a bioweapon.

Implication: Russia is likely about to release mind-blowing evidence from Ukraine that US created SARS-Cov-2 in Ukraine as a bioweapon, and probably also tested it on Ukrainian soldiers before deliberately releasing it in China.

Look out for what is coming from Russia!

Posted by: BM | Feb 27 2023 11:36 utc | 44

So Snowdon was the useful idiot that came to the defence of the bioweapon creators.

Posted by: BM | Feb 27 2023 11:38 utc | 45

Michael Gordo? where is Judith Miller to push for another murderous hoax.. Iraq is not sufficient?

Posted by: Virgile | Feb 27 2023 11:41 utc | 46

Here are the critical paragraphs in that Wall Street Journal article that raised B's hackles over Edward Snowden's tweet:

... Yet no confirmed animal source for Covid-19 has been identified. The lack of an animal source, and the fact that Wuhan is the center of China’s extensive coronavirus research, has led some scientists and U.S. officials to argue that a lab leak is the best explanation for the pandemic’s beginning.

U.S. State Department cables written in 2018 and internal Chinese documents show that there were persistent concerns about China’s biosafety procedures, which have been cited by proponents of the lab-leak hypothesis.

Wuhan is home to an array of laboratories, many of which were built or expanded as a result of China’s traumatic experience with the initial severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS, epidemic beginning in 2002. They include campuses of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, and the Wuhan Institute of Biological Products, which produces vaccines. ...

The paragraphs are buried deep in the article. It is possible Snowden didn't read the entire article but only read the headline. If he had read further, he would have seen the bit where the Energy Department made its judgement about how the virus emerged "with low confidence" in its report.

Apart from those paragraphs, the article is (deliberately perhaps) ambiguous about which lab the leakage occurred in. The paragraphs quoted above may have been added into the article just before it was published in the WSJ. Readers are being pushed into believing that a lab in Wuhan is the source of the leakage even though a careful perusal of the article shows that it does not actually say that a Wuhan lab is the source. The writers took care to craft the article so that they cannot be accused of libel should the Chinese raise a fuss.

The significant part which Caitlin Johnstone highlights is that one of the writers of the WSJ article is the same guy who wrote nearly 30 years ago that Iraq was seeking to obtain WMDs without evidence that the country was doing so. So we should not have any confidence in the WSJ article at all.

Posted by: Jen | Feb 27 2023 11:45 utc | 47

Off topic - very brief (and final) word from me on the subject...

Posted by: Michigan Dude | Feb 27 2023 9:18 utc | 24
"You climate cultist scum are pathetic. Just a bunch of rabid animals that need to be put down in like manner"

This is so extreme I assume it is ironic :-)

Posted by: Rhisiart Gwilym | Feb 27 2023 8:34 utc | 17
Rancourt is correct about CO2 saturation, but he has missed the point. The cooling of the stratosphere together with warming of the troposphere is actually a prediction of the greenhouse theory from 50 years ago, and is proof that warming is not due to variations in incoming radiation, but is indeed due to CO2. The explanation is not completely straightforward, and requires some understanding of physics. An excellent explanation is given by the wonderful Sabine here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqu5DjzOBF8. Ask me if you have any questions (on another thread)


Posted by: Tim Richard Glover | Feb 27 2023 11:46 utc | 48

David Stockman proposes his own peace plan -

But go back to the fact that George Kennan was right 26 years ago and the truth that nothing has changed in the interim to alter his judgement. In that context, what would a president not entombed in the false narrative of the past quarter century actually do?

Here are a few possible starters:

Arrange exile for Zelensky in Costa Rica ( far better than he deserves);
Agree to a settlement in Ukraine that partitions the country and allows the territories in the east and south previously known as Novorossiya (New Russia) to go their separate way or rejoin Mother Russia;
Remove NATO’s missiles and other advanced warfare capability from the former Warsaw Pact countries, so as to eliminate the military threat on Russia’s doorstep;
Arrange for the early dissolution of NATO after the Ukraine proxy war has been extinguished;
Re-open and complete an updated version of the nuclear arms treaties enacted near the end of the Cold War, two of which were abrogated by Washington and one this week by Moscow;
Cut the egregiously bloated $850 billion defense budget by 50% and lead the world into a new global treaty to drastically reduce the scale and cost of conventional arms;
Begin the nearly insuperable challenge of sharply paring back the nation’s $2 trillion plus annual deficits, which extend as far as the eye can see.
That would be a start. It would put America back on the road toward rational homeland security, and enable a global future not imperiled by the threat of Nuclear Armageddon.

Link to entire article
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2023/02/david-stockman/no-more-ukraines/

Posted by: Exile | Feb 27 2023 11:49 utc | 49

My bird reads the Wall Street Journal at the bottom of her cage. And apparently Snowden's bird lets him read it too.
Posted by: Gerald | Feb 27 2023 11:22 utc | 43

Oh my god! Have pity on the poor creature. It's bad enough for a creature that should be flying freely in the trees to be imprisoned in a small wire cage, but on top of that being subjected to WSJ brainwashing! It's enough to drive any feathered intellectual bonkers. Can't you print out MoA articles and offer that to the poor suffering bird?

As for Snowdon's bird, I can't say. Maybe he's seen through the brainwashing attempt and is taking sweet revenge.

Posted by: BM | Feb 27 2023 11:51 utc | 50

This is precisely why from day one I have been pointing out that arguing for the zoonotic origin theory for SARS MkII was completely misguided. The fact that it was a chimerical virus cooked up in the US deployed as a bioweapon against China should have been the focus from the very start. Failing that has been a huge mistake.

Why?

Because the artificial nature of the virus cannot be kept hidden forever, and when the lab origin is revealed the western mass media will do everything possible to pin it on China: "Ha! They did it to themselves!", kinda like how we are told the people of Donbas have been shelling themselves since 2014. This is precisely what is now happening.

Years of pushing a false narrative ("zoonotic origin from mystery animal") takes you out of the debate once the lab origin is established. Nothing the zoonotic proponent can say carries any weight anymore at that point.

Now instead of having years nurturing the narative that SARS MkII was created in the US and seeded in Wuhan as a weapon to cripple the Chinese economy and distract from leaks from Fort Detrick, you have nothing to counter the mass media's victim-blaming narrative that "China did it!"

Sadly, this is a huge mistake.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 27 2023 11:53 utc | 51

It is sad that the average citizen cannot discern between “created in a lab” and “lab leak”.
There has been zero evidence put forth to support a “leak” from a lab.

Posted by: Slat1 | Feb 27 2023 12:09 utc | 52

Maybe Mr Snowden, (not Snowdon) finds it a little hard to believe this virus magically appeared in a wet market through some mystical bat fuckery, while conveniently masking the fact a lab which was working on gain of function of corona viruses research existed within walking distance.

The fact this narrative coincides with anti-Chinese US sponsored propaganda is unfortunate, though i personally don't think i am an idiot for being suspicious about the origins of the virus, nor anyone else for that matter. Perhaps those immediately subscribing to false dichotomies could be characterised more accurately with that term...

Posted by: Et Tu | Feb 27 2023 12:12 utc | 53

That your government would use this as cheap shot propaganda should tell you something about how much they ever cared if their citizens lived or died.

Same government using this propaganda told you "safe and effective." So one lie is good, one lie is bad. Go get you fourth booster.

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 27 2023 12:18 utc | 54

re: BM | Feb 27 2023 11:51 utc | 53
You’re right, but birds have a horrible sense of taste anyway.
And my bird doesn’t seem to mind, but she does complain that the WSJ has a strange smell of bat-shit to it.
Now, some of my friends read the WSJ, because they say, you have to know what the enemy is thinking.
And they say it doesn’t matter if they read it before my bird reads it or after she reads it.
They say that it’s full of shit anyway.

Posted by: Gerald | Feb 27 2023 12:30 utc | 55

Any idea what's happened to the Lord Of War telegram site, which has been my goto site for news for the last few months? I don't have telegram btw, just browse the site.

t.me/s/loordofwar

It just defaults to the contact page. Had to switch to the Devushka and a couple of others.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Feb 27 2023 12:32 utc | 56

Of course the WaPo article is propaganda against China. This is evidenced by the timing of the article. The senate committee report came out in October 2022, almost five months ago.
But that is completely missing the point that Snowden makes. Evidence for the lab theory was already strong in February of 2020 and overwhelming in June 2020. Yet everybody who mentioned it was called a trumpist, a conspiracy nutter or unscientific moron. No mainstream media would go near it. But today, two years later, it is a certainty. This is a perfect example of mainstream media bias or mainstream media thought control. Take a mainstream media article or a fact checker piece of 2020 and put it next to the WaPo piece and you have irrefutable evidence that the pseudoreality of the mainstream media is unhinged nonsense.
Therefore Snowden is absolutely correct by pointing to this article.
You ever try to convince a conformist that he lives in a fictional world? It's like the movie 'They Live'; you have to beat people over the head to make them see. This WaPo hit piece makes a really good stick for that.

Posted by: futkon | Feb 27 2023 12:42 utc | 57

I have recently disturbed some old asbestos sheeting in a 1945 building . Asbestos in the lungs causes painful deaths many years after significant breathing in. Asbestos removal and Awareness is now a fully commercialised operation, more expensive than changing your car and overladen with shame.

I am very tempted to lie about it because of the cost and affecting the value of the property. But the important duty of care for me is to prevent the risk of future contamination. Accidents do happen. Bad practice does happen. Biological warfare does happen. Big Pharma greed is all pervading in the world of medicine. There was a pandemic in Palestine shortly after the start of Islam called tawu and many others since then.

Like asbestos, covid was a combination of curiosity and greed. Hopefully we can learn important lessons and move on without blaming people. I personally think Edward Snowden may have some axe to grind about China, but neither China , nor Russia, has exploited the mrna technology to make dangerous and untested vaccines. So my conclusion is that it's not the Chinese taking risks in research that caused the problem, but the empire of lies testing a dangerous pathogen or a natural.phenomenon.

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 27 2023 12:46 utc | 58

And my bird doesn’t seem to mind, but she does complain that the WSJ has a strange smell of bat-shit to it.
Now, some of my friends read the WSJ, because they say, you have to know what the enemy is thinking.
And they say it doesn’t matter if they read it before my bird reads it or after she reads it.
They say that it’s full of shit anyway.
Posted by: Gerald | Feb 27 2023 12:30 utc | 58

Well in that case, out of compassion I would urge you to offer her some nicely aromatic speeches by President Putin. She'd appreciate it.

Posted by: BM | Feb 27 2023 12:49 utc | 59

...

"Neither theory is proven, but natural origin is way more likely on the evidence so far…

Posted by: mjh | Feb 27 2023 10:34 utc | 36

Thank you very much. It is always nice to read comments by someone who obviously has the knowledge and education to talk about this topic. And to come to such a balanced conclusion.

Posted by: Cemi | Feb 27 2023 12:53 utc | 60

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00584-8

The lab leak theory comes out of the swamp of the US far right.

It is designed to ignore the role of capitalism in creating and mismanaging pandemics, and to create justification to renege on debts to China. Essentially it accuses China of a crime against humanity.

Posted by: Wilbur | Feb 27 2023 12:54 utc | 61

b at 14:

Then perhaps say he’s dumb, not that he “signed on” to help the US govt. Two different things conflated by your headline.

Posted by: Zed | Feb 27 2023 13:00 utc | 62

Even if the lab leak theory is the right one I still have no idea what that's supposed to entail. Bombing runs on Shanghai?

Posted by: asfgers | Feb 27 2023 13:12 utc | 63

@17 @24 I like how change deniers have their heads so far up their arse they think it's nighttime now. If the change was ""natural"" we would be seeing COOLING now, because we're heading right into the Solar minimum and the Earth is in the far position in its orbital cycle. The fact temperature is rising not only refutes this idiotic claim, but it honestly should both scare you and give you a clue what will happen when we will start heading into Solar maximum afterwards. Hint - it won't be pretty. The problems caused by warming now will be like a spring breeze in comparison. We won't be seeing thousands displaced, but tens of millions.

It's really the same thinking as nafo imbeciles, "Russia is totally losing the war because they lost 5 soldiers in last skirmish!" "Last morning was pretty cold, so there is no warming", eh? And the fact that winter that lasted 2-3 months here now barely does stay longer than week or two (with snow melting the very next day after fall) is uh, unimportant detail, nothing to see here, move along...

Posted by: Mr V | Feb 27 2023 13:17 utc | 64

Now instead of having years nurturing the narative that SARS MkII was created in the US and seeded in Wuhan as a weapon to cripple the Chinese economy and distract from leaks from Fort Detrick, you have nothing to counter the mass media's victim-blaming narrative that "China did it!"

Sadly, this is a huge mistake.
Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 27 2023 11:53 utc | 54


Indian researchers said at the onset that this was an engineered virus.
They retracted their findings after some serious coercion during the hysteria at the time.
Strange that!

Posted by: jpc | Feb 27 2023 13:19 utc | 65

Whilst on the topic of covid, an interesting article by Swiss Infectology expert Prof. em. Dr. med. Pietro Vernazza (in German). I include a DeepL machine translation of the key segment below (a response to a request from a local newspaper, which was not printed because it didn't conform to the desired narrative; unfortunately he was allowed only 1000 characters for his reply!).

... Strange censorship practices Well, that is rather strange. Don't you think that the Sunday paper could at least have apologised. But nothing. No reply. Well, now that the job has been done, I'll take the opportunity to present here what you - if you still subscribe to the SoZ - could have read. The journalist's questions are in italics:

1) What are you personally most proud of today in relation to your work / your assessments / your decisions?
My assessment that the epidemiologists' model calculations massively overestimated the number of deaths (factor 3-10) and the assessment was correct that school closures after the 2020 spring holidays were no longer evidence-based and dispensable. The finding in March 2020 that the vast majority of infections go unnoticed and leave behind cellular immunity and that antibody tests could be used to find out who already has lifelong cellular immunity was correct.

2) What would you do differently today or what in retrospect was a misjudgement or even a wrong decision?
I would advocate even more strongly that we publicise simple, evidence-based preventive measures, such as vitamin D administration (especially in homes) and early steroid inhalation when a cough occurs. This would have prevented many deaths. I would still not vaccinate children.

3) What must be the most important learning from the pandemic?
We have already discussed a number of lessons from the pandemic in detail in the book Der Corona-Elefant. The unnecessarily stoked fear has caused a lot of damage.

[Der Corona-Elefant is a critical collection of articles on Covid-19 by a team of serious scientists, presented in lay language (in German).]

Posted by: BM | Feb 27 2023 13:22 utc | 66

Look at the date of China's first request to US to explain what sickness did YS soldiers brought into China during the World Military Games.

Look at what Iran said.

March 25 2020
"https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1183658.shtml"

"https ://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11106235/iran-blames-coronavirus-outbreak-us-biological-attack-death-toll-lockdown-cities/"

2015? perhaps this paper might be relevant?
The researchers at University of North Carolina Chapel Hill however did manipulate corona viruses to make them more human transmissible. This is the article in Nature Medicine from Nov 9 2015 that spells out the damning trail all the way back to the USA. I know, they are persistent in denying its relevance. But there are so many papers."

"https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985"

Fauci told Paul at the hearing: “Dr. Baric does not do gain-of-function research, and if it is, it’s according to the guidelines and it is being conducted in North Carolina, not in China.”

"It is because of our early work that the United States was in a position to quickly find the first successful treatment for SARS-CoV-2 and an effective COVID-19 vaccine.”

"https://www.factcheck.org/2021/05/the-wuhan-lab-and-the-gain-of-function-disagreement/"

"In fact, the US is the biggest funder and doer of coronavirus research, especially Ralph Baric's team at UNC, Zhao said.

"With the investigation of Baric's team and their lab, it will be clear whether the coronavirus research will produce the novel coronavirus or not," Zhao said. "

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202107/1230123.shtml

This explains what exactly was paid to Wuhan lab and for what purposes. Definitely not gain of function which is illegal in China.


The alliance's grant from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, titled "Understanding the risk of bat coronavirus emergence," was launched in 2014 and renewed for 5 years in 2019 after receiving an outstanding peer-review score. During the first 5 years, Daszak, with NIH vetting and approval, provided Shi with $599,000 out of a total of $3.1 million in grant funding to use lab sequencing techniques to identify bat coronaviruses that were at high risk of jumping to humans. The grant has also supported blood testing of people who live near bat caves in southern China to see whether they carried antibodies indicating they had been infected with a bat coronavirus. In the grant's next term, through 2024, the researchers were planning to do more human, wildlife, and lab-based studies to pinpoint hot spots in southern China where the risk is highest for a bat coronavirus to jump to humans.


"funding to use lab sequencing techniques to identify bat coronaviruses that were at high risk of jumping to humans. The grant has also supported blood testing of people who live near bat caves in southern China to see whether they carried antibodies indicating they had been infected with a bat coronavirus. "

" https://www.science.org/news/2020/04/nih-s-axing-bat-coronavirus-grant-horrible-precedent-and-might-break-rules-critics-say"

Posted by: Surferket | Feb 27 2023 13:23 utc | 67

Germany’s Foreign Minister Annalena Berbock called on Russian leader Vladimir Putin to change his policies 360 degrees, from which “the whole world would be happy”, noting that she believes in “people’s ability to change.”

Strange how it was that neither her interviewer nor her mainly sympathetic audience asked her to clarify her statement. Instead, with tears in their eyes and a drool hither and tither, they applauded her words as if spoken by Jesus himself. I must admit Berbock’s new and improved math helped to explain her thinking on any number of other issues.

Biden’s Unipolar Globalist West insists, under, what else, the threat of Sanctions = ie., food, energy, their mamma’s false teeth - that the remaining 80 percent of the world’s Soverign nations have to get off their neutral butts and condemn Russia, in every which way but loose – No Ticky, No Tacky, No Trade, no eating Commie Caviar, especially no reading Anna Karina, Dostoyevsky or watching the Ruskie version of Micky Mou’sky or The Russians are Coming, the Russians are Coming - not even a Howdy Doody is to be given to this Putin gas station masquerading as a country. Biden’s neo-Con Elitist Elite have laid down the ‘LAW’ to the Great Unwashed Masses of the Global South, and a few other terrorist troublemakers. They have been told in no uncertain terms, clearer than mud in your eye, ‘you are either with us or against us.’

My advice to my Multi-Polar friends in the Global South would be for them to follow Germany’s Foreign Minister Annalena Berbock’s Words of Wisdom offered up to Putin himself, “Change your thinking 360 degrees!”. To be fair, balanced and impartial, her neo-Con Globalist friends are willing to meet you half way by modifying their thinking 180 degrees. What is fairer than that I ask you?

My Two Cents,
Rc

Posted by: jrc | Feb 27 2023 13:26 utc | 68

This US lab claimed to have created a very deadly version of Omicron.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.13.512134v1.full

This German report claimed that C19 is an artificial lab creation.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.18.512756v1

Posted by: Surferket | Feb 27 2023 13:26 utc | 69

2017 report yet the China Haters are screaming that China invented C19!

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/nih-lifts-ban-on-flu-mers-sars-virus-gain-of-function-research-2017-12?r=US&IR=T

Posted by: Surferket | Feb 27 2023 13:29 utc | 70

Posted by: Slat1 | Feb 27 2023 12:09 utc | 55

Posted by: Wilbur | Feb 27 2023 12:54 utc | 64

Who says there is no evidence of a lab -leak? Did you not read above or any other material? Have you ever heard of the leak at Fort Detrick, or the NATO bioweapon labs in The Ukraine or anywhere else?

Posted by: Cemi | Feb 27 2023 12:53 utc | 63

What makes you think that only Posted by: mjh | Feb 27 2023 10:34 utc | 36

Has the knowledge to discuss these things? Methinks you have already decided what to believe , and it appears you haven’t based it on the balance of evidence.

Do you know what a chimaera is? It means it cannot have been born in the wild , and could only have come from a lab. It was manufactured there , and was leaked by accident or on purpose. If it was released on purpose ,we all know who did it. Let me help you ,it is a cuntry that sounds like “You Ass”…

Posted by: Brother Ma | Feb 27 2023 13:36 utc | 71

Who was working with bat coronaviruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology?

US government documents released via Freedom of Information Act requests over a year ago showed that DARPA was funding an outfit named EcoHealth Alliance to perform experiments at WIV through 2017. The 2018 planned experiments were rejected by DARPA because they looked like prohibited gain of function research. DARPA exited the picture here. In stepped NIAID (Dr. Fauci) with a brand new checkbook, and Fauci did not share the qualms of DARPA. The research continued down the gain of function path.

When all the information finally comes out, it will likely show that US experiments at a Chinese lab resulted in the COVID-19 plague. Both governments are to blame and share a desire to cover things up.

Posted by: First Time Poster | Feb 27 2023 13:36 utc | 72

Posted by Tim Richard Glover,februari 27 2023 7:39 utc/ 3
You are absolutely right, climate change is a real thing.

Posted by Michigan Dude | Februari 27 2023 9: 18 utc | 24
"Climate change is real, but we know about it because it suits the maffia agenda"

No not at all, many scientists knew about climate change many decades ago ,in spite of the Maffia. The Maffia realized that the truth about climate change is a Trojan horse loaded with socialism.
The Maffia is scared to death, that´s why they have to spread conspiracy theories...they are just a bunch of rabid animals who are afraid "to be put down in like manner..."

Posted by: Northern Eve | Feb 27 2023 13:40 utc | 73

This is the next one:


"Lateral flow tests being prepared for UK outbreaks of avian flu"

"After a girl in Cambodia died from H5N1, the UK Health Security Agency is on alert but says human-to-human transmission is rare"
(Observer)

The birds have been decimated with this flu. It's a tragedy.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Feb 27 2023 13:40 utc | 74

William Gruff | Feb 27 2023 11:53 utc | 54
_____

Thanks for yet another of your insightful, gruffly stated comments. Ron Unz has all but proven the US bioweapon coincidence theory in a book-length series of articles. It is quite consistent with the US' long, devious record and very convincing.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Feb 27 2023 13:43 utc | 75

Last Monday, Feb 20, abc.net.au/MediaWatch covered the US Balloonacy drivel. As part of their coverage of the global derision avalanche, they reproduced a tweet from Edward Snowden who called bullshit on the balloonacy and described it as deflection from REAL problems the US has created for itself.

That was an unsurprising remark from Snowden, for whom I have a lot of respect (and gratitude) for his NSA and other 3-letter agency revelations.

Imo, Snowden's lab tweet was blowing the whistle on the moronic assertion that the US Dept of Energy could/should be considered as an authority on ANYTHING to do with Public Heath issues.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 27 2023 13:46 utc | 76

Snowden/Assange - two false prophets that help the little people believe someone is actually working to expose the fraud.

Posted by: Steve De'ak | Feb 27 2023 13:50 utc | 77

At the beginning of the panicdemic I was struck by how badly Iran was struck by the virus. And then I thought about stuxnet and how it seemed to have had a similar trajectory. Expressed more plainly: US weapon, shared with zionist project, taken into Iran and escapes into the wild... was one explanation that seemed to make a degree of sense.

Posted by: irish al | Feb 27 2023 13:51 utc | 78

Posted by: First Time Poster | Feb 27 2023 13:36 utc | 74

Correct. Here's the same facts in more readily digestible form:

The EcoHealth Alliance presented an application to DARPA (Pentagon research for weapons etc) for funding for a research programme which involved gain of function. The project was rejected by DARPA specifically because of the ban on gain of function research. The exact same research project was then immediately submitted to NIAID, led by Fauci, who knew it had just been rejected by DARPA because it involved prohibited gain of function research, and who then approved funding for it despite that. The project was indeed carried out.

Posted by: BM | Feb 27 2023 13:54 utc | 79

Another piece of thought.

Every new disease for humans has been traced to an animal host within 9 months. MERS was traced to camels.
Bird flu.
Swine flu.

Then SARS-1.

From Wikipedia (yeah, not always reliable)

"In late May 2003, studies from samples of wild animals sold as food in the local market in Guangdong, China, found a strain of SARS coronavirus could be isolated from masked palm civets (Paguma sp.), but the animals did not always show clinical signs. The preliminary conclusion was the SARS virus crossed the xenographic barrier from palm civet to humans, and more than 10,000 masked palm civets were killed in Guangdong Province. The virus was also later found in raccoon dogs (Nyctereuteus sp.),[22] ferret badgers (Melogale spp.), and domestic cats. In 2005, two studies identified a number of SARS-like coronaviruses in Chinese bats.[23][24] Although the bat SARS virus did not replicate in cell culture, in 2008, American researchers[25] altered the genetic structure of bat SARS virus with the human receptor binding domain both in the bat virus and in the mice which demonstrated how zoonosis might occur in evolution.[26] Phylogenetic analysis of these viruses indicated a high probability that SARS coronavirus originated in bats and spread to humans either directly or through animals held in Chinese markets. The bats did not show any visible signs of disease, but are the likely natural reservoirs of SARS-like coronaviruses."

No such link has been found for SARS-2.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Feb 27 2023 13:57 utc | 80

Nonsense. He isn't wrong. Covid 19 is Gain of function research funded by Fauci and the DOD. This and the "vaccine" are Ralph Baric's life work. When Obama halted GOF research Fauci had it moved to Wuhan. Peter Daszak became his bagman. Zhenghli (bat lady) and Baric collaborated on the research. How much was the CCP involved? No idea. I find it hard to believe they had no knowledge though. My guess is they had a deal to review all work as they would be playing catchup in biowarfare work. Did it get released on purpose? I think it did. I believe the whole covid19 phenomenon is a DOD operation. I don't think China was involved though but I think they knew it came out of WIV. This is why they locked down so hard and for so long. They were generally scared of it. I believe the purpose was to harm China's development and global reputation.

Posted by: Goldhoarder | Feb 27 2023 14:03 utc | 81

It was a lab leak from Fort Detrick in Maryland due to a flood that wiped out the autoclaves.

Posted by: Haassaan | Feb 27 2023 7:53 utc

BINGO!!!

Posted by: Cond Zero | Feb 27 2023 14:15 utc | 82

I have always thought that the general consensus among many readers of this blog is that if the mainstream media says it it is a lie.
Always.
Usually but not always a complete lie - sometimes a partial lie or a lie by omission - but always a lie.
So, IMO do not waste your time considering this leak. Verify it with a more reliable source.

Posted by: a lurking reader | Feb 27 2023 14:17 utc | 83

@Brother Ma | Feb 27 2023 13:36 utc | 73

If I compare your post to the one of mjh (10:34 utc | 36) then it is not so difficult to tell who is talking educated stuff. And who is not. ;-)

BTW: I know what a chimera is, I can spell it correctly, and I even know that they often emerge spontaneously in nature. So, please relax.

Posted by: Cemi | Feb 27 2023 14:18 utc | 84

Stephane @ 20

Stephane, you are like the Horatio Alger hero who jumped on his horse and rode off in all directions.
Make up your mind, what's your point?

Posted by: Lawrence Miller | Feb 27 2023 14:24 utc | 85

Professor Jeffery Sachs said that the Covid virus was manmade and that it was most likely made by the USA, but there wasn't the political will to investigate it.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 27 2023 14:25 utc | 86

Noone is going to war over a simple cough.

Posted by: Comandante | Feb 27 2023 14:26 utc | 87

Posted by: irish al | Feb 27 2023 13:51 utc | 80
At the beginning of the panicdemic I was struck by how badly Iran was struck by the virus. And then I thought about stuxnet and how it seemed to have had a similar trajectory. Expressed more plainly: US weapon, shared with zionist project, taken into Iran and escapes into the wild... was one explanation that seemed to make a degree of sense.

I was monitoring the situation in Iran, the countries surrounding Iran had one or two cases, while Iran had more than 1000, within a week, including members of its parliament, it was obvious they were under attack, Cuba suffered Swine Flue and Covid attack long before they hit China.
Hendra virus (HeV) is a member of the family Paramyxoviridae, genus Henipavirus. HeV was first isolated in 1994 from specimens obtained during an outbreak of respiratory and neurologic disease in horses and humans in Hendra, a suburb of Brisbane, Australia. It is related to Nipah virus, another species in the genus Henipavirus.

The natural reservoir for Hendra virus has since been identified as the flying fox (bats of the genus Pteropus).

Posted by: Grishka | Feb 27 2023 14:30 utc | 88

This is absurd.

Snowden isn't signing on to promote US government propaganda. The 'lab leak' theory of COVID ultimately traces directly back to the DoD and the NIH, which funded the bioweapons research that took place in the Wuhan lab and across the world. The 'lab leak' theory does not make the United States government look good; it directly implicates it in the greatest crime of the twenty-first century.

Posted by: Nimrod | Feb 27 2023 14:32 utc | 89

The timing is extremely suspicious. Right when Ukraine loses Bakhmut, a distraction is needed.

Hey, ignore that encirclement and death of 10k Ukie troops ... look over there, COVID lab leak!

Posted by: Chris | Feb 27 2023 14:36 utc | 90

Edward Snowden @Snowden - 15:36 UTC · Feb 26, 2023
Do you remember the "institutional" and social media corpo response in the first half of 2020 when someone contradicted the consensus? They were punished for the "crime" of "disinformation."

Corporations must never again be permitted to police speech.

I don't get why you call Snowden an idiot for saying such a sensible thing. Can someone explain where I failed?

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 27 2023 14:37 utc | 91

Sorry guys, COVID was a Gates/ Fauchi creation, not China, through the WEF and UN. The first chimera seems to have been created in Chapel Hill, Research Triangle North Carolina. But also work on COVID was done apparently in China, at the University of Texas, and IS STILL being done in the Ukraine and at Boston University they created a COVID that killed 80% of the mice. Have to make a vaccine for that one right away.

Posted by: JimG | Feb 27 2023 14:52 utc | 92

I don't get why you call Snowden an idiot for saying such a sensible thing. Can someone explain where I failed?

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 27 2023 14:37 utc | 93

Exactly, I had to read it twice and still missed the connection.

One credible hypothesis regarding Snowden was that he was a CIA asset (mole) inside the NSA. His revelations all damaged the NSA, not his original employer. He was part of the Beltway turf war for funding and prestige. He may still be working for them for all we know.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 27 2023 14:52 utc | 93

@Slat1 | Feb 27 2023 12:09 utc | 55

There has been zero evidence put forth to support a “leak” from a lab.
Yes, there is an abundance of zero evidence in the whole covid circus.

Of course, if you can lock down the world based on zero evidence, it must be very tempting to use zero evidence also to start a war with China, when that is what you desire. So that is what they attempt.

Snowden is 100% right to say "Corporations must never again be permitted to police speech.". If that is taken away (as it must), it gets very hard to pull off a huge crime like this. You can only do it by suppressing speech.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 27 2023 14:53 utc | 94

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 27 2023 14:37 utc | 93

All explained here Posted by: BM | Feb 27 2023 11:36 utc | 47 and 48.

Posted by: BM | Feb 27 2023 14:55 utc | 95

Posted by: Steve De'ak | Feb 27 2023 13:50 utc | 79

Snowden/Assange - two false prophets that help the little people believe someone is actually working to expose the fraud.

I'd say one of them is paying a rather dear price for that "fraud".

Posted by: Nanabozho | Feb 27 2023 14:57 utc | 96

The point being that being a "proven exiled outsider" living in Moscow gives Snowden additional credibility with the crowd that likes to dig deeper.

Kind of like Sy Hersh ;-)

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 27 2023 14:58 utc | 97

A logical fallacy

People accusing the Wuhan virus lab for the lab leak base their argument on a logical fallacy. Any unexpected event that has global geopolitical implications (Nord Stream, MH17, Syrian sarin) must be assumed to be a false-flag – however improbable that may be. The location of the initial outbreak thus proves nothing. If the US intentionally released the virus, where else would they do it?

Every major war is started by a false-flag attack. Often it takes decades to find out what really happened.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Feb 27 2023 14:58 utc | 98

@BM | Feb 27 2023 14:55 utc | 97

Ok, but see Norwegian | Feb 27 2023 14:53 utc | 96 It is debatable who the idiots are.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 27 2023 15:06 utc | 99

So, the fashion of the day is to attack Snowden (forced exile in Russia for exposing US crimes) and Assange ( journalist imprisoned for 10 years for telling the truth about the US war crimes).

Sure. Nice.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 27 2023 15:08 utc | 100

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