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February 8, 2023
China Rejects “Shoot First, Talk Later” Attitude

Here is demonstration of typically childish-arrogant behavior of the U.S. government towards foreign countries.

China Isn’t Ready to Pick Up Phone After Balloon Incident
Chinese officials rejected a request from the U.S. defense secretary to speak with his counterpart after an American fighter jet shot down a Chinese spy balloon.

The Pentagon said on Tuesday that China had rejected a request from Defense Secretary Lloyd J. Austin III to speak with his Chinese counterpart on Saturday soon after an American fighter jet shot down a Chinese spy balloon off the coast of South Carolina.

That statement by the Pentagon immediately raises a question. Why hadn't the U.S. defense secretary called the Chinese defense minister before shooting down the Chinese weather ballon?

The U.S. apparently detected the balloon on January 29 when it was over the Aleutian Islands. Austin could have called his Chinese counterpart anytime in the seven days between that detection and the time the decision was taken to shot it down:

“We believe in the importance of maintaining open lines of communication between the United States and the P.R.C. in order to responsibly manage the relationship,” Brig. Gen. Patrick S. Ryder, the Pentagon press secretary, said in an emailed statement, referring to the People’s Republic of China. “Lines between our militaries are particularly important in moments like this.”

It was not to be. “Unfortunately,” General Ryder said, “the P.R.C. has declined our request” to arrange a call with Wei Fenghe, the Chinese defense minister.

The purpose of high level lines of communication between military and political leaders is to prevent that crises happen or, if one has happen incidentally, to prevent their escalation.

Before the shot down the Chinese defense minister Wei Fenghe likely would have taken that call. But the U.S. decided to shoot first and to talk later. That was and is inappropriate.

On January 29 the Chinese weather balloon was drifting westward over Alaska and Canada. There was no expectation that it would cross into the United States. But an unusual low pressure formation over east Canada eventually caused that. Low pressure areas in the northern hemisphere turn counter-clockwise. High pressure areas turn clockwise. The unusually strong low pressure zone over east Canada pushed arctic air masses south through Canada and then south west to west to New England. This phenomenon, on February 1 and 2, caused a cold snap in east Canada and the northeast of the U.S.. But the wind also caused the 200 feet high balloon to turn south.


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Picture the coldest Canadian night imaginable. What did you think of it? Clear skies? Calm winds? A deep snowpack? This cold snap had none of these ingredients align because this type of cold is different. Meet advection cold.

The cold air wasn’t developed on location. The imported cold was fed south by a strong low and the trajectory of the polar vortex. The polar vortex was swirling near Hudson Bay and was slingshotted south by favourable atmospheric dynamics.

The cold air wrapped around a developing low, lifting across Labrador. Not just any cold air, either — the stratospheric polar vortex mixed down in what’s known as a tropopause fold and occurs near the core of a jet stream.

A wind and pressure map from February 3 shows the then already waning low pressure area in the upper right. The red arrow shows the balloon's course.


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Both the cold snap and the balloon's turn were surprising. The jet stream would usually have prevent both from happening. But this time the low pressure area proved to be stronger if only for a short moment. It is the reason why the balloon ended up crossing the U.S.


Source: Wikipediabigger

There was no way the balloon could have been steered against the prevailing wind. Here is a CBS meteorologist, who had used NOAA software to predicted the course of the ballon, confirming that fact:

Ed Russo @EdRussoWX – 11:37 UTC · Feb 4, 2023

Replying to @soonersfan2022
The balloon is flying at the height of the jet stream. The jet stream winds will steer the balloon… even a simple rudder won’t be a match for the 200+ mph upper level winds.

By no means could China have planned the balloon's course. Any allegations that the balloon was being 'steered' and intentionally crossed U.S. missile fields and military bases to 'spy' on those are thereby bogus. China has some 300 satellites in the earth's orbit. It does not need balloons to take aerial pictures of static missile silos in the mid-west U.S.

The NYT also writes:

China has insisted that the electronics-laden machine was simply a weather balloon that had drifted off course.

The balloon debris has not been recovered yet. Based on what fact is the NYT then claiming that it the balloon was an 'electronics-laden machine'?

China is not happy that the Biden administration is hyperventilating over the incident. But it will keep its calm:

Different political forces within the US, including President Joe Biden and the Republican Party, are still hyping up the incident of a Chinese civilian unmanned airship in the US media in order to gain political interests ahead of the annual State of the Union address, rather than making efforts to cool down the matter.

Chinese experts said on Tuesday that it shows that the chaotic, messy and sick political situation in Washington means that China-US tensions are unlikely to ease in the near future. It also proves that the Biden administration is incapable of setting so-called guardrails for bilateral ties under the complex situation within the US.

China will keep calm and observe what the US does next, and whether Biden creates conditions for engagement or Washington allows bilateral ties to keep worsening, China is ready to handle any possible moves by the US, experts noted.

Austin's attempts to call his Chinese counterpart AFTER the shit happened is seen as an attempt to additionally insult the Chinese government.

Austin will not be given a chance to do that.

 

Comments

The non-hypocrite consensus in this bar must be: it is ok for the x (US?) to fly high altitude balloons over y, z (China, Russia?) anywhere, as long as they say it was only for weather observation. We believe anything officially announced as the Gospel/ Das Kapital/ the Little Red Book. Independant Chinese companies still exist too just like the independent NYT, WaPo or Siegel.
This whole circus was exposed only by people in Montana who saw it with their own eyes and alerted the local media. After that the WEF media couldn’t ignore it anymore, including Xinhua.
Come down to Earth.

Posted by: Antonym | Feb 9 2023 0:21 utc | 101

should have communicated and tipped them off; but ask forgiveness vs ask permission is reasonable. Again, that doesn’t mean you don’t call 15 minutes in advance and explain that you’re gonna beg their forgiveness, but have decided to take out the balloon.

Posted by: scottindallas | Feb 9 2023 0:47 utc | 102

Posted by: Antonym | Feb 9 2023 0:21 utc | 99
They military knew about the balloon before it entered US airspace. If they thought it was a spy balloon by all means, shoot it down immediately. I would expect China or Russia to do the same.
Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 8 2023 16:38 utc | 30
The post by Flying Dutchman sums things up well.

Posted by: Haassaan | Feb 9 2023 0:55 utc | 103

https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php
Posted by: irish al | Feb 8 2023 22:02 utc | 87
That they put Persians, which provided humanity with some of the best mathematicians in History and still consistently prove they are able to innovate and invent better drones than what most countries have with a severely limited budget under heavy sanctions, at position 67 with an average IQ of 87, tells me all I need to know about this list.

Posted by: Lemming | Feb 9 2023 0:55 utc | 104

Once your AIRSHIP goes over another sovreign territory it is in foregn AIRSPACE, and it will be be justifiably shot down. Don’t get your panties in a wad and because you have a suck and swallow attitude towards chinese rear.
Posted by: Surya Mitra | Feb 8 2023 20:24 utc | 66
There is upper boundary for sovereign air space. It might be 60,000 feet or so. Above that, plenty of room for everyone’s spy satellites and whatever to traverse across space.
Troposphere
The troposphere starts at the Earth’s surface and extends 8 to 14.5 kilometers high (5 to 9 miles). This part of the atmosphere is the most dense. Almost all weather is in this region.
Stratosphere
The stratosphere starts just above the troposphere and extends to 50 kilometers (31 miles) high. The ozone layer, which absorbs and scatters the solar ultraviolet radiation, is in this layer.
The Chinese weather balloon was observing in the Stratosphere and above.
https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sunearth/science/atmosphere-layers2.html

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Feb 9 2023 1:02 utc | 105

Surya Mitra | Feb 8 2023 20:24 utc | 66
There are clear unequivocal acts which validate over and over again that the US is a liar and never honors agreements thus has no honor. This is true with all US interactions with ‘others’ on the international stage, ally and designated foe.
This statement “Once your AIRSHIP goes over another sovreign territory it is in foregn AIRSPACE, and it will be be justifiably shot down.” by Surya Mitra is BS; especially so without explaining what are the limits of “sovereign territory” in the vertical dimension.
The Karman Line is scientifically conceptual, not widely accepted as a legal boundary of any kind. The scientific study of the Stratosphere by all parties’ efforts routinely traverse the projected arbitrary geopolitical boundaries from the surface outward at these altitudes. Historically the science in this inadequately/uncharted and outside international treaty definition area are undertaken with cooperation rather than hostility and aggression. The US is actively trashing, through engineered hysteria, this here-to-fore cooperation.
As far as the assertion “China should have come out and made public the complete information on the ballooon in a transparent manner as soon as it drifted into another soverign territory.” goes, we only have the US BS, known universally to be manipulative lies, for any assertion which claims exactly that did not occur; and at the stratospheric altitude involved, which is outside and beyond any international treaty limitation; such claims can only be viewed as more US attempts to manipulate the information space.
And thanks to d dan | Feb 9 2023 0:02 utc | 97 for an even more detailed critique.

Posted by: DoesItReallyMatter | Feb 9 2023 1:03 utc | 106

Don Bacon @3 Sorry to say this but, if as you suggest yhe Americans have an above average IQ they sure ate very poor at using it.

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Feb 9 2023 1:55 utc | 107

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Feb 9 2023 1:55 utc | 105
Absolutely. The guy with the highest IQ of anybody I’ve got to know personally was an Army Chaplain. IQ in the mid 150’s, BS and MS in mathematics….yet he literally believed the earth was 6,000 years old and flat.
IQ is an overrated way to measure intelligence as it only measures a narrow spectrum and contrary to popular belief it is learned as much as it is innate.

Posted by: Haassaan | Feb 9 2023 2:10 utc | 108

All of you sounding off about IQ are off topic. No need for trolls today with all the off topic remarks.

Posted by: HelenB | Feb 9 2023 2:11 utc | 109

Rumor has it that a couple of brothers in France, the Mongolfier’s are working on a balloon powered by hot air and it will be invisible except for the RE-MAX sign on it. French stealth in action.

Posted by: Bob | Feb 9 2023 2:12 utc | 110

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Feb 9 2023 1:55 utc | 105
Absolutely. The guy with the highest IQ of anybody I’ve got to know personally was an Army Chaplain. IQ in the mid 150’s, BS and MS in mathematics….yet he literally believed the earth was 6,000 years old and flat.
IQ is an overrated way to measure intelligence as it only measures a narrow spectrum and contrary to popular belief it is learned as much as it is innate.

Posted by: Haassaan | Feb 9 2023 2:14 utc | 111

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Feb 9 2023 1:02 utc | 103
By your numbers, the balloon was operating on the borderline between required and non-required reporting space.
Without any damage, wise diplomats on either side could have avoided a scene. Therefore I conclude that both China and the US are cruising toward conflict.
Please, let some cooler heads take charge!

Posted by: HelenB | Feb 9 2023 2:21 utc | 112

I still say that at least it was impolite of the Chinese not to inform us.
Posted by: TG | Feb 8 2023 15:56 utc | 19
————————–
Confucius

Its rude not to return a favour.

—————–
TAM
TIBET
XINJIANG
HK
SCS
TW
ECS
SARS
BIRD FLU/SWINE FLU/…
COVID
SPY PLANES INTRUSIONS
[DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY gringo WAR PLANES/SPY PLANES SHOT DOWN IN CHINA DURING THE 50/60 by MIG17 ?]
SPY PLANES/SPY SHIPS/WARSHIPS PROVOCATIONS AT CHINESE DOORSTEP
TERRORISM TARGETING CHINESE IN AFRICA/ASIA….
The Chinese have apparently forgotten Confucius teaching, high time to return
the favor.
PS
I can produce case study for each of the above provocations if desired.
Exhibit A
Uncle chutzpah…

We’ve the right to snoop on you any time we
like

https://tinyurl.com/42efnjjk

Posted by: denk | Feb 9 2023 3:26 utc | 113

next time i see a googlemap van i’m taking it out

Posted by: olaf22 | Feb 9 2023 3:42 utc | 114

Sam B | Feb 8 2023 14:50 utc | 2
Americans are very weak mentally. [skipped in Don’s quote] They need to constantly feel on top, to have their egos stroked and to act macho
Don Bacon | Feb 8 2023 14:53 utc | 3
Actually half of Americans have an above-average IQ.
How is it in your country?
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Interesting. Sam clearly refers to the sense of self-worth (I would add the capacity for introspection), which makes me wonder if the ability of connecting two consecutive sentences together places you in the “above-average” sub-population of Americans or not. More seriously, this is also related to this non-intelligence strength. With smaller strength, when one sentence excites you too much, provokes anger etc., you are not able to continue the reading.
Concerning the mental insecurity, Americans tend to be indeed “special”. They KNOW that USA in number one, undisputed in its power and deserving obedience. But they also know that this concept is being challenged, however infrequently, and that pains them a lot.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 9 2023 3:48 utc | 115

USAss spy ships. , spy planes have been prowling SCS, TW straits..
Mapping the sea bed
tracking Chinese submarines
testing Chinese defense
gauging Chinese reaction

In particular,
Hainan is Chinese SSBN home base.
These sub are the vital deterrence against a sneak nuclear first strike from USAss
USAss have been literally prepping the battle field around such ultra sensitive facilities, an act of war in any book,
No country would tolerate such provocations,
least of all USAss.

Posted by: denk | Feb 9 2023 4:53 utc | 116

denk @ 114
Absolutely right. US send spy balloons and planes to other countries. That is why she feels threatened when she sees even a weather balloon. This is an example of projection of the worst.
Hope to hear from you in unz again. Please don’t be deterred by the owner’s hatred in you. Regards.

Posted by: d dan | Feb 9 2023 5:20 utc | 117

I really appreciate the arctic weather stuff featured in the article. Rational for me, I do keep up with the “poles” via ASIF – Arctic Sea Ice Forum.

Posted by: paxmark1 | Feb 9 2023 6:09 utc | 118

China as the adult and the US as the toddler.

Posted by: Laura Roslin | Feb 9 2023 6:27 utc | 119

I speculate that USA’s main mental problem could be Animal Farm Syndrome, aka “All animals are equal but some are MORE equal than others” conflicting with the parallel notion that “All animals are equal but some are LESS equal than others.”

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 9 2023 7:56 utc | 120

Posted by: d dan | Feb 9 2023 5:20 utc | 115
———————
hello D Dan
Nice to see a comrade here.
USAss has been mucking around Hainan sub base for decades.
Wonder why ?
Wont be surprised they are prepping for a sneak nuclear first strike on China, in which case the Chinese SSBN fleet would have to be taken out first. !
Exhibit B
The Impeccable caper..

Just when the capitalist economic meltdown has the world by the throat, the Pentagon reminds us it can pose an even more urgent danger.

Rings a bell ?
Sounds like only yesterday !
https://tinyurl.com/24empw52
For the moment Im content to do minimal posting, too much commitments, too little time.
We shall see.
Signing off

Posted by: denk | Feb 9 2023 8:04 utc | 121

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 8 2023 14:53 utc | 3
Posted by: mac | Feb 8 2023 15:22 utc | 10
That is what I was taught as well. Yet many scholars -mostly American -now claim they have research that some countries have lower than average ie 100. This stuff abounds on sites like unz . How does that work if by definition every country has an average IQ of 100 ?
Hoarse whisperer at around @22
Yep. Agreed. Australian govs are servile satraps of the Estadounitensans (USA Americans). Like you say all parties now, even Greens now that BobBrown is gone.
Posted by: just somebody | Feb 8 2023 16:21 utc | 24
And the IS balloons that go astray over other countries? Did Washington ring those nations ,or do you think that the Estadounitense are special?

Posted by: Brother Ma | Feb 9 2023 8:05 utc | 122

Here someone wrote a piece about that balloon with regard to its purposes: Weatherballoon or test-bed for hypersonic missiles.
He goes back to googles project loon. Back then google experimented with superpressure-balloons to get LTE to distant territories.
And his theory is that that balloon actually was primarily a weather balloon but due to its increased size and power supply which enables a larger payload.
So that balloon could have been used to collect data about the stratosphere to optimize hypersonic missiles.
He adds some links to the loon-project and some further sources like the CU in boulder (https://www.colorado.edu/today/2017/05/24/high-altitude-balloon-experiments-could-enable-hypersonic-flight).
https://steadyhq.com/en/realitatsabzweig/posts/90669d9f-e2f2-4793-a213-be6570e77d80

Posted by: Goingo | Feb 9 2023 8:29 utc | 123

New to Moon Of Alabama. While I generally agree with most of the anti-imperial American stories and comments on this website, this article appears to be America bashing. For instance, every nation on Earth has the right to protect its own airspace. And, I have not read anywhere that China warned the United States or Canada beforehand of their balloon going off-course. Of course, the Chinese claim the balloon was a civilian airship and simply monitoring the weather (which might be true but until an analysis can be made of the ballon’s payload is completed perhaps judgement should be withheld.

Posted by: HenryJonesJr | Feb 9 2023 8:48 utc | 124

Posted by: HenryJonesJr | Feb 9 2023 8:48 utc | 122
There was no intrusion of “airspace”. It was too high to be in USA airspace .Otherwise I agree with you.
As per my above comment, has the USA told anyone that their balloons went over anyone else’s “airspace”? Or do you believe the US doesn’t even use spy-planes over other countries’ real airspace as well?

Posted by: Brother Ma | Feb 9 2023 9:04 utc | 125

If nothing else, if this was a weather balloon, the Chinese should have informed us and apologized for the inconvenience.
Posted by: TG | Feb 8 2023 15:19 utc | 9
They have informed and apologized as far as I know.

Posted by: RB | Feb 9 2023 9:56 utc | 126

It was some kind of media preparations for something (PSYOPS on sheeple). One possible goal is shifting focus from Russia to China. Or it could be some domestic issues. Anyway it was for domestic consumption. Just ask yourself, how did they know if that balloon was Chinese before shooting it down? Moreover it is good for boosting morale.\sarc.

Posted by: GreyCloud | Feb 9 2023 10:09 utc | 127

My supposition is that IQ measured fairly, if that could ever be done, in independent of income.
Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 8 2023 20:57 utc | 76
IQ measures only the analytical part of intelligence. However, it apparently correlates with success in life, not necessarily income. University professors in physics don’t have super high income but to become one at MIT you have to have IQ of 160. Just my guess.

Posted by: RB | Feb 9 2023 10:55 utc | 128

Posted by: Jon L | Feb 8 2023 23:47 utc | 95
IQ distribution is supposed to be normal, i.e. half below average, half above.

Posted by: RB | Feb 9 2023 11:07 utc | 129

The farcical capper on the whole farcical episode is that they shot it down only after it had completed its journey over the US, therefore completing any spy mission it allegedly had. The fact that they thought this slamming shut of the barn door after the cow was gone (if there ever was a cow in the first place) would look impressive just shows how out of touch with reality they are.

The neocons in the U.$./U.K obviously had enough cows and/or kittens already.

Posted by: William Haught | Feb 9 2023 15:06 utc | 130

US doubling down on the balloon flap is quite convenient to go along with suppressing the latest Sy Hersh revelation of the government’s war criminality. The shameful absence in the NYT today of any mention of Hersh’s Substack article while perseveratively rambling on in several articles along with a prominent photo depicting the pricey “salvage” effort shows just how low the “paper of record” has sunk.
As to the discussion here (disappointing) about the state of US citizens’ intelligence, it seems we need to clarify the distinction between education and mis-education on the one hand and brain potential on the other. Aside from the fact that IQ, itself, is a questionable measure of the latter, IMHO the problem with most US citizens’ immense failure to understand politics in any way that could actually matter is systematic mis-education of the populace over at least decades if not the nation’s entire existence. In that context, I’d put the post-WWII period to the present as the main period wherein actually free discourse, maintaining quality public education, and publicly entertaining substantially different points of view have all been systematically suppressed.

Posted by: Lonl | Feb 9 2023 15:46 utc | 131

Posted by: Lemming | Feb 9 2023 0:55 utc | 102
This is clearly impossible, as according to the study, the average IQ of academically underperforming children in Iran is also 85, while those who perform well academically are 122
https://sci-hub.ru/10.22037/jme.v2i2.881

Posted by: Colin | Feb 9 2023 17:14 utc | 132

what if it was a “nothing” balloon designed to do nothing more that phuque with us

Posted by: robert kendall | Feb 9 2023 17:35 utc | 133

Posted by: RB | Feb 9 2023 10:55 utc | 127
My speculation after my supposition is that IQ measurement currently leads to bias.

Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 9 2023 17:41 utc | 134

Harmful bias of ideas gone wrong has a way of acting in the subconscious, and ain’t it time to rise to a new level?
So, I applaud Roger Waters for his presentation here to the council…..
Whether it makes any difference, remains to be sensed.
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/02/07/watch-roger-waters-at-un-security-council-on-ukraine/
It don’t take a “rocket scientist” to figure this out and I suspect most of the physics professors at MIT, despite their so-called high IQ, are actually stuck in the “religion” of quantum physics that has reached the moment of diminishing returns…..some things are obvious.
BK

Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Feb 9 2023 17:44 utc | 135

@Goingo | Feb 9 2023 8:29 utc | 123
So that balloon could have been used to collect data about the stratosphere to optimize hypersonic missiles.
No, the Chinese balloon was obviously designed to loiter over you and give you an ugly haircut.
See? If you can make things up, then so can I.

Posted by: Cyril | Feb 9 2023 22:12 utc | 136

Haven’t followed the ‘spy balloon’ story much but this latest piece from Breitbart indicates that it might have been a little more than a weather balloon.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/02/09/state-department-says-chinese-spy-balloon-contained-technology-to-monitor-communication-signals/

The Biden administration determined that the suspected Chinese spy balloon shot down on Saturday by the United States military was operating with electronic surveillance technology capable of monitoring communications signals, according to a senior State Department official on Thursday, multiple news outlets reported.
“High-resolution imagery from U-2 flybys revealed that the high-altitude balloon was capable of conducting signals intelligence collection operations,” the official said in reference to the Air Force’s high-altitude reconnaissance plane, Politico reported.
The official noted that the equipment on the Chinese spy balloon was “inconsistent” with what would be aboard a weather balloon since it had “multiple antennas to include an array likely capable of collecting and geo-locating communications.”
According to CNN, the official said that the balloon was “part of a PRC (People’s Republic of China) fleet of balloons developed to conduct surveillance operations,” which are “often undertaken at the direction of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA).”
The official also acknowledged that China “has overflown these surveillance balloons over more than 40 countries across five continents” and that “the Biden Administration is reaching out to countries directly about the scope of this program and answer any questions.”

Of course, it goes without saying that anything in either Beitbart, Politico or CNN is suspect and as many here have posted the US (and no doubt others) regularly ‘spy’ on other nations from high above making the whole thing a nothing-burger either way.

Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 10 2023 0:58 utc | 137

America haters all criticize America’s clearly rational security responsibiltiy to destroy the Chi-Com balloon. They criticize for many disingenuous stated reasons (seemingly commissioned by the PRC or Kremlin), but their useful idiocy is spurred by one of two stupid actual reasons: (1) they deeply wish for the US to be destroyed (which if they ever got their wish, would unleash a ludicrous world war of tinpot dictators); and (2) they don’t have any concept of sovereignty because all the “nations” to which they align themselves have never been sovereign in their lifetimes. In fact, their “nations'” snowglobe pretense/illusion of sovereignty is made possible only by America’s global military force projection. These America bashers exhibit textbook “cut off your nose to spite your face” nihilism.

Posted by: Tom SteChatte | Feb 10 2023 2:27 utc | 138

If nothing else, if this was a weather balloon, the Chinese should have informed us and apologized for the inconvenience.
Posted by: TG | Feb 8 2023 15:19 utc | 9

I still say that at least it was impolite of the Chinese not to inform us.
Posted by: TG | Feb 8 2023 15:56 utc | 19

China officially and publicly apologized and expressed “regret” for the violation of US airspace, prior to the shootdown.
The Chinese foreign ministry statement on Feb 3 said:

“The airship is from China and is civilian in nature, used for meteorological and other scientific research. Due to the influence of westerly winds and its limited control capability, the airship deviated from its intended course.”
China regrets that the airship strayed into the United States by mistake due to force majeure. China will continue to maintain communication with the U.S. side to properly handle this accident.”

Bearing in mind Chinese culture, the public apology and the wording of the statement was a BIG DEAL.

Posted by: The Owl | Feb 10 2023 3:41 utc | 139

I speculate that USA’s main mental problem could be Animal Farm Syndrome, aka “All animals are equal but some are MORE equal than others” conflicting with the parallel notion that “All animals are equal but some are LESS equal than others.”
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 9 2023 7:56 utc | 120
I rather see Lord of the Rings problem, who has “One Ring to rule them all”?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 10 2023 4:03 utc | 140

In fact, their [America haters] “nations'” snowglobe pretense/illusion of sovereignty is made possible only by America’s global military force projection. These America bashers exhibit textbook “cut off your nose to spite your face” nihilism.
Posted by: Tom SteChatte | Feb 10 2023 2:27 utc | 139
This is super original to me. Can you post a link, Tom? Thanks

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 10 2023 4:09 utc | 141

Of course, it goes without saying that anything in either Beitbart, Politico or CNN is suspect and as many here have posted the US (and no doubt others) regularly ‘spy’ on other nations from high above making the whole thing a nothing-burger either way.
Posted by: Scorpion | Feb 10 2023 0:58 utc | 138

Not just from above. Here in Germany alone, US industrial espionage causes billions in economic damage every year. Incidentally, such parasitic behavior is by no means uncommon internationally. The quite extensive field of industrial espionage belongs to the most important core competencies of any alphabet soup. Even Intels are nothing more than factors in a simple cost-benefit analysis.
In the end it is all about money.
Btw, Breitbart… yuck! Do not forget to disinfect the hand that touched it. 😀

Posted by: Nobody | Feb 10 2023 4:28 utc | 142

…who has “One Ring to rule them all”?
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 10 2023 4:03 utc | 141

We have four. 😀

Posted by: Nobody | Feb 10 2023 4:43 utc | 143

@Tom SteChatte | Feb 10 2023 2:27 utc | 139
America haters all criticize America’s clearly rational security responsibiltiy to destroy the Chi-Com balloon.
A balloon that can’t control where it is going is a security threat to the US? Your profound paranoia is showing.
[America haters] deeply wish for the US to be destroyed
Not at all. The US is provoking chaos, instability, and violence throughout the globe. The people who can see farther than their noses (i.e. not you) realize where all this could end: in civilization-wrecking World War 3. Few people actually want the US to be destroyed. But many, many commenters here and elsewhere want to live — they desperately want the US to be stopped before it ruins the world. I think a wish to live is eminently rational.

Posted by: Cyril | Feb 10 2023 4:51 utc | 144

Though Americans love to run their mouth about being the World’s Leading Democracy, the United States of America actually resembles Oceania in George Orwell’s 1984.
Like Oceania, America is a nation perpetually at war–or Forever War, as the beloved American war criminal Dick Cheney put it.
Thus, America has been bombing, invading, regime changing, mass murdering, torturing, and even (shock) spying globally through the USA’s “5-Eyes” Echelon spy network or the National Security Agency’s mass surveillance system for decades.
Yet, this same America squeals like a hypocritical entitled bitch about a Chinese weather balloon that it claims was a spy balloon and a dire threat to America’s precious national security.
It would be funny if it weren’t so pathetic–and quintessentially American.
Here’s a question for all the American patriotards and America apologists: Since the USA admits that it was tracking this balloon before it penetrated America’s virginal airspace, why didn’t the vaunted American war machine shoot it down before then?
This belated shootdown of the balloon is the proverbial Dog that Didn’t Bark.
After all, if this was a spy balloon, it would be better to intercept it *before* it entered US airspace.
The excuse that America didn’t shoot it down over sparsely-populated Montana out of fear of civilian casualties from the debris is a joke that even brainwashed American drones likely don’t privately believe.
Hell, the USA could have shot the balloon done over the Pacific Ocean or when it was flying in Canada, if the Americans really believed their own threat propaganda over the balloon.
It’s not as if America has any scruples about shooting missiles at things like Afghan wedding parties, freelance Iraqi cameramen, Afghan humanitarian aid workers … or Chinese balloons.
Instead, they let this “spy” balloon fly over the entire continental USA!
Why?
So America could play the National Security card and whip up a massive panty-soiling hissy fit among the not-so-peace-loving Amurican people and help to escalate the New Cold War–a war that the USA is eager to turn into a Ukraine-style hot war against China, with Taiwan being Ukraine and China playing the role of Russia.
US media whips up anti-Chinese hysteria over balloon flight
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/02/06/pers-f06.pdf
To return to the Orwell analogy, America has its Two Minutes of Hate Campaign against foreign enemies, just like Oceania.
In the New Cold War, America is at war with Eurasia (Russia) or with EastAsia (China).
As such, America’s Two Minutes of Hate campaign comes in two different forms:
-Russophobia (aka RussiaHaters)
-Sinophobia (aka ChinaHaters)
Blue State Liberals are the Russia-hating faction of America’s Two Minutes of Hate.
Red State Conservatives are the China-hating faction of America’s Two Minutes of Hate.
Despite their fake partisan political differences, both the Conservatives and Liberals are two sides of the coin: the United States of Oceania.
Why the US Seeks War with China by 2025
https://libya360.wordpress.com/2023/02/08/why-the-us-seeks-war-with-china-by-2025/

Posted by: ak74 | Feb 10 2023 8:43 utc | 145

I get most of my news & fake news from Oz and other Western sources. This is mainly because oz.gov.au told sbs and abc to dump cgtn and RT news broadcasts.
I quite like DW News because the hosts/presenters seem sane and reasonable.
Anyway…DW Conflict Zone is a topical irregular interview segment of people in the news. On Feb 8 Tim Sebastion interviewed a Chinese security and strategy expert, Zhou Bo. Mr Zhou is nobodies fool. The segment begins with the balloon let-down and proceeds via Taiwan and Ukraine to US Freedom of Navigation fakery.
I recommend looking it up on DW’s website and having a look, a listen and a LAUGH. I runs for 29 minutes.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 10 2023 16:02 utc | 146

…It runs for 29 minutes.
And Tim S tries to be as unreasonable and confrontational as possible.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 10 2023 16:12 utc | 147

Gen Mike Minihan
on the coming war with China…

lethality was crucial—kill or be killed.
“the pile of our nation’s enemy dead, the pile that is the biggest, is in front of the United States Air Force.”
“Lethality matters most,”
“When you can kill your enemy, every part of your life is better. Your food tastes better. Your marriage is stronger.”

To thunderous applaud from a room full of MIC CEO and four star generals.
This can only happen in the one and only home of the brag, land of the freak.

Posted by: denk | Feb 11 2023 2:44 utc | 148

As evil as the Globalist American Empire and its EU Vassal States are, China is arguably even more malevolent. So lets be honest and admit that that big, beautiful luft balloon floating in the Winter sky was sent with sinister purpose and should have been shot down the moment it crossed into American airspace. The compromised CCP meatpuppet that is Joe Biden simply allowed the device to perform its mission, got spooked after a Montana reporter blew the lid off the story, and then after getting approval from Beijing, went to his tough-guy shtick to project “power” and “gravitas” to the 81,000,000 “people” who voted for him. This is what “power projection” looks like for an empire in twilight.

Posted by: thedialecticalPlaya | Feb 11 2023 15:39 utc | 149

Off-topic, I know, but why not follow the French example and derive the demonym from the Latin name of the country? That would make “estadounitenses” Foederatans (from Civitates Foederatae).

Posted by: Gene Poole | Feb 12 2023 8:52 utc | 150

As evil as the Globalist American Empire and its EU Vassal States are, China is arguably even more malevolent
Nice try at psychological projection, but no cigar.
It’s the other way around, America and its allies are by far the malevolent nations on this planet.
Just look at all the wars of aggression that America (and its allies) are guilty of around the world. And all the millions of people that America is guilty of murdering as a result.
How Many Millions of People Have Been Killed in America’s Post-9/11 Wars? – Part One: Iraq
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/03/22/how-many-millions-of-people-have-been-killed-in-americas-post-9-11-wars-part-one-iraq/
As for Joe Biden being a CPP meat puppet, that sounds like delusional gaslighting from a TrumpTard. Joe Biden is even more anti-China than Donald Trump.
Biden is currently militarizing Japan and Philippines in preparation for war against China–something which Trump never did. Biden had House Speaker Nancy Pelosi visit Taiwan and thus undermine the USA’s own One China Policy–something that Trump never did. And Biden has launched a semiconductor war on Chinese computer chips–something that Trump never did even with his trade war against China.
Comparing Biden and Trump, it’s clear that Donald Trump is the true CCP meat puppet! LOL.

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Posted by: Tom SteChatte | Feb 10 2023 2:27 utc | 139
This is super original to me. Can you post a link, Tom? Thanks
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 10 2023 4:09 utc | 142
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