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February 4, 2023
Blinken’s Travel Canceling Adds To China Hate

In 1964 Richard Hofstadter wrote about The Paranoid Style in American Politics:

Events since 1939 have given the contemporary right-wing paranoid a vast theatre for his imagination, full of rich and proliferating detail, replete with realistic cues and undeniable proofs of the validity of his suspicions. The theatre of action is now the entire world, and he can draw not only on the events of World War II, but also on those of the Korean War and the Cold War. Any historian of warfare knows it is in good part a comedy of errors and a museum of incompetence; but if for every error and every act of incompetence one can substitute an act of treason, many points of fascinating interpretation are open to the paranoid imagination. In the end, the real mystery, for one who reads the primary works of paranoid scholarship, is not how the United States has been brought to its present dangerous position but how it has managed to survive at all.

The paranoid style is not only used on the right-wing side of policies. Adam Schiff's action during 'Russiagate' applied plenty of it. The paranoid style applies to internal U.S. politics as well as to foreign policies against this or that favorite enemy of that time.

It makes the story below, which otherwise just laughable, somewhat dangerous.

Furor Over Chinese Spy Balloon Leads to a Diplomatic Crisis
The Pentagon called the object, which has flown from Montana to Kansas, an “intelligence gathering” balloon. Beijing said it was used mainly for weather research and had strayed off course.

As some 80+% of all Pentagon intelligence comes from open sources the 'intelligence gathering' statement may well include a weather research system. Weather research and weather prediction are important for all kinds of military operations. But they are also important for many civil operations from agriculture, food availability prediction to drainage planning in cities.

The story's opener:

WASHINGTON — Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken on Friday canceled a weekend trip to Beijing after a Chinese spy balloon was sighted above the Rocky Mountain state of Montana, igniting a frenzy of media coverage and political commentary over a machine that the Pentagon said posed no threat to the United States.

Mr. Blinken called the Chinese surveillance an “irresponsible act” and a “clear violation of U.S. sovereignty and international law.”

China’s “decision to take this action on the eve of my planned visit is detrimental to the substantive discussions that we were prepared to have,” he said at a news conference on Friday afternoon.

Blinken is of course wrong. Balloon drift planning is difficult if not impossible. There was likely no Chinese intent behind this.

The NYT also writes that this is not the first time that such a balloon is passing over the United States. The difference now the addition of paranoid panic. Balloon similar to those one sighted over the U.S. have been seen over Japan and India in 2020, 2021 and 2022.


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Both flew in directions from China that are different than the current balloon drifting from China over to the United States. That is because the direction of the wind decides where a balloon flies to.

These balloon have cross like arms hanging below them with the two horizontal arms carrying solar panels. There are three gondolas at the ends of the horizontal and vertical structure. The gondolas could carry instruments, motors or both.


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An estimate said that the diameter of the balloon is equivalent to the length of three school buses. It means that the air resistance and wind sensitivity of the balloon is huge. Winds in the upper atmosphere, like the Atlantic jet stream, are strong:

For instance, flying from London to New York takes just over eight hours, while the reverse journey is often under seven.

A few electrical motors depending on solar power are unlikely to be for propulsion propellers that would make this balloon steerable. But a Google company once used a machine learning system that found out how to tack a balloon like a sail ship which enabled it to follow its planned course faster than previously predicted. But it did not make it steerable. The Goggle balloon were 'steering' by changing their flight levels just like low fling hot air balloon do:

A solar-powered pump adds or subtracts air from the balloon. That air makes the balloon heavier or lighter, allowing it to ascend or descend in altitude. Rather than fight against the wind at one altitude, the balloon moves up or down until it finds a favorable wind current. By repeating this thousands of times over the lifespan of a balloon, we can drift on the winds to get to locations around the world.

It is likely that the Chinese balloon can use similar technics. But it will inevitable still depend on the ever changing and often unpredictable prevalent direction of the wind.

Blinken is also wrong with regards to international law. The space between the highest level jet fighters can fly (18 kilometer or 60,000 feet) and outer space were satellites fly is legally somewhat undefined. There are no treaties, international laws or even rules for that mostly unused space.

In the 1950s the U.S. flew 'weather balloon' over the Soviet Union for surveillance. But satellites has since replaced balloon surveillance as they can get more data with way more precision. China has satellites. It does not need balloon to check U.S. air fields or missile sites.

To use the balloon as an excuse for canceling the China visit shows that U.S. claims of wanting to lower tensions with China are not serious.

Brian Tycangco 鄭彥渊 @BrianTycangco – 9:09 UTC · Feb 4, 2023

If a wayward balloon is enough to make the US Secretary of State cancel a potentially crucial meeting with China to resolve standing differences & avoid potential armed conflict, it speaks very poorly of how serious he is about doing his job.

Some republicans have used the balloon and the paranoid style to attack the Biden administration. The Biden administration should have staid course by calling the overflight a non-event. Blinken's reaction only adds to the anti-China hate.

Comments

BREAKING NEWS:
During an interview with western media outlet, Zelensky tells interviewer that Ukraine needs US made Assault Balloons, to take back Crimea and Donbass from the evil Russians.

Posted by: Oldcutlas | Feb 4 2023 23:04 utc | 101

BBC has a decent globe view map of the path…
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-64514120
This map is impossible – if the balloon went from Montana to North Carolina it would have to have made a right angled change of direction.

Posted by: Ray | Feb 4 2023 23:04 utc | 102

We’re talking about paranoia, right? Aboard the USS Gerald R. Ford –
Jan. 28
“CMC Bryan Davis hosts Nordic Defence Cooperation (NORDEFCO) MCPONs from Finland, Sweden, Denmark, & Norway for a familiarization tour #Warship78 🇫🇮 🇸🇪 🇩🇰 🇳🇴 “
https://twitter.com/Warship_78/status/1619465477247631361
Jan. 20
“Royal Canadian Air Force LGen Pelletier, NORAD deputy commander, visited the #USSGeraldRFord – the world’s largest warship – viewing the Ford’s unique technologies and features! #Warship78 #JointPartnership #NORAD
@NORADCommand
🇨🇦🍁📡 “
https://twitter.com/Warship_78/status/1616537318860488707

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 4 2023 23:08 utc | 103

Europe is economically dependent on China, but the problem is that Europe has already been controlled by the United States since World War II by way of capital control, giving the economic, cultural and military control of Europe to the United States. The result is that Europeans are essentially second-class citizens of the United States, while Japanese and Koreans are third-class citizens of the United States, and areas such as the Philippines and Poland belong to the fourth-class citizens of the United States.
The people of these countries, from the politicians down to the people, have basically been brainwashed by the United States. This is the current state of the world today. So our real friends can only be found and cultivated from the third world countries that are oppressed by the U.S. and the West. No need to rush. Our friends will become more and more powerful.

Posted by: Ghan-buri-Ghan | Feb 4 2023 23:10 utc | 104

Posted by: steve | Feb 4 2023 18:38 utc | 8
And yet they shot it down.
Mixed messages? Signals crossed?
Deliberate distraction?

Posted by: Mary | Feb 4 2023 23:12 utc | 105

I hear a tune coming on from my youthful days. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5akEgsZSfhg

Posted by: Maracatu | Feb 4 2023 23:20 utc | 106

This has to be the most comical of the 100s of civilian videos of the balloon shootdown:
https://t.me/intelslava/44101
“That’s MY Air Force right there buddy!”
They haven’t had this much fun at a turkey shoot since Grenada.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 4 2023 23:22 utc | 107

This whole balloon thing is a hysteria, there is no rational threat and must find its explanation in mass psychology. These feelings are being exploited by political factions in the US.
I think the extent of this hysteria is to be found in the political faction that believes China should be America’s number one enemy. I doubt that many here look at Fox News often. I do daily. It is without doubt the leading mass news outlet that pushes for war against China. The day after the balloon was reported the top Fox News screen on my laptop had eight headlines visible — six of those were devoted to the balloon. Only one of those were dedicated to the simple facts of the story, the other were either hysterical ravings about a China danger or attacks on the Democratic administration for being weak on China.
Hence Blinken cancelled his trip to China. Poor Ukraine, at least temporarily, lost it top spot in the daily news. The US people were starting to tire of the Ukraine thing anyway so this gives the hate-China faction an opportunity to shift people’s attention away from hating Russia to hating China.

Posted by: Toivos | Feb 4 2023 23:22 utc | 108

How does that song go; 99 Luft Ballons………

Posted by: Robert | Feb 4 2023 23:24 utc | 109

This map is impossible – if the balloon went from Montana to North Carolina it would have to have made a right angled change of direction.
Posted by: Ray | Feb 4 2023 23:04 utc | 101
Balloons follow the wind, and the wind changes direction. have a look at this site for an idea. A radio ham released a weather balloon trying to circumnavigate the globe. It made it three times around, and also traced some really weird squiggles over Russia.
http://qrp-labs.com/flights/u4b9.html

Posted by: Jim | Feb 4 2023 23:25 utc | 110

Oh well. Looks like the fucktards are going to learn pretty soon that US thingies can be shot down, too.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Feb 4 2023 23:29 utc | 111

So I take it this balloon came down on the polar vortex? (It’s finally only -30 with wind chill in Montréal, warmest temp in the past 24 hours or so, forecast for a high of 0 degrees on Sunday.)
Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 4 2023 20:32 utc | 48
That was my thought. -43C with wind chill since last evening here in Maine until this afternoon when wind finally slowed down.
The wind was absolutely roaring nonstop out of the arctic/nw for 24 hours or so.

Posted by: Mary | Feb 4 2023 23:32 utc | 112

If this balloon were actually a spy balloon the Imperialist States of Amerikastan would have shot it down immediately, but after it had safely drifted out to sea and presumably sent all its data to whichever Chinese receiving station was waiting for it.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Feb 4 2023 23:33 utc | 113

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Feb 4 2023 23:29 utc | 110
Good point. If anything, it opens some kind of precedent for US balloons, and perhaps LEO satellites too.

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 4 2023 23:35 utc | 114

I am looking forward to the proof that it was a spy balloon. And good, that the US doesn’t spy on
other countries (ahem, except when it is necessary for their national security)..

Posted by: C | Feb 4 2023 23:51 utc | 115

Talk about trying to whip up a mass hysteria against China (ref. to my post #107) the first 11 of 12 Fox news headlines right now are about the balloon and its shoot down!

Posted by: Toivos | Feb 4 2023 23:51 utc | 116

Hello; fat Albert, a tethered balloon flown from the western Florida Keys used to or still does spy on Cuba. I had to watch out for the tether when I flew to KW. Now I only see this two ways. Either the ruling classes are using this as a tool to keep the lumpenproletariat from ruminating on their lousy lives as the wealth transfer upwards continues.”did you know that Bill Gates bought $55M BioN Teck and it went to $500M”, I’m sure it was just a coincidence. OR, the ruling classes have totally lost it and are believing their own propaganda. Either way, it’s off-putting or very scary.

Posted by: Bob | Feb 4 2023 23:53 utc | 117

Posted by: Jim | Feb 4 2023 23:25 utc | 109
Great find. BTW, I found a YouTube of a weatherman from Michigan discussing the balloon from meteorological perspective, and projecting two days in advance that it will exit USA in Carolinas. I understood that the balloon tracked jet streams but at lower speed. If “jet stream” is on the altitude of passenger jets, then the balloon flew higher, so winds induced by the jet stream were slower.
As any person checking weather maps knows, over USA and Canada jet stream changes direction, sometimes dramatically like almost entire Texas found itself to the north of the stream, sharing arctic air with Canada. I myself underwent a heatwave in Montreal, sharing the weather with Virginia. This time, there were no dramatic changes of directions, more like sinusoid plot as it changes values from 1 to -1, or latitude 50 to latitude 40.
Most important aspect of the find is that balloons circumnavigate the planet every so often, flying above all possible countries, and this is the first time that a diplomatic crisis etc. was raised because of a single balloon, rather than a wave of balloons from South to North Korea etc.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 4 2023 23:53 utc | 118

They haven’t had this much fun at a turkey shoot since Grenada.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Feb 4 2023 23:22 utc | 106
At least 100 high military decoration should be issues, together with a medal designed for the occasion, postal stamps and other memorabilia for sale, with a percentage supporting Taiwan. The possible ideas are hard to list …

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 5 2023 0:19 utc | 119

I am now reading it has been shot down and a 60 ton crane on a ship is being sent to retrieve it
the contractor with “clearance” will probably charge the taxpayer a billion dollars for it.

Posted by: cafe con leche | Feb 5 2023 0:59 utc | 120

About that polar vortex that sent the balloon off course, it hit -110F (-79C) on Mt Washington, New Hampshire. It was snowing carbon dioxide.
Green comets, CO2 snow, and invading weather balloons… interesting times.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 5 2023 1:01 utc | 121

Blinken is a jew that doesn’t earn and doesn’t deliver. His synagogue not doubt is not pleased with him. He is the literal definition of a checkbox hire.

Posted by: Peter Kurten | Feb 5 2023 1:17 utc | 122

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 4 2023 20:47 utc | 53
https://realrawnews.com/
I came across ths website last year. It’s a satire site. From their “About Us” page, there is a disclaimer saying the site contains “humor, parody and satire. Just look at some of the articles posted over the years:
“James Comey Loses His Head to Guillotine”, “Hillary Clinton Hanged at Gitmo”, “Military Executes Tom Hanks”, “Military Charges Jim Mattis with Treason, But He’s Fled the Country”, “Marines and Corrupt FBI Clash at Camp Pendleton”, “Special Forces Seize Deep State Cloning Lab in Alaska”.
I don’t know how anybody could read the garbage on this website witout their bullshit detector going off.

Posted by: JK in Glendale | Feb 5 2023 1:21 utc | 123

Si le ballon transportait le virus de la connerie pour le répandre aux USA, je crains qu’il n’ait beaucoup de retard… Le mal est fait depuis longtemps 😂😂

Posted by: JOUAN | Feb 5 2023 1:22 utc | 124

one of the stupidest news cycles in living memory…

https://consortiumnews.com/2023/02/04/caitlin-johnstone-war-machine-vs-balloons/

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Feb 5 2023 1:26 utc | 125

Gotta love the “strategy” of waiting until they were 100% certain the balloon couldn’t shoot back before sending in the US Military to courageously kill it.
How US/NATO-ish is that!?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 5 2023 1:27 utc | 126

I am not convinced this was a weather balloon. Certainly, the US military knows the truth – supposedly it was capable of maneuvering, by changing altitude and catching different wind streams (winds do not blow in a uniform direction as you go vertically up from a point on the earth. This is how tornados form – lots of wind shear.)
If the balloon was capable of changing altitude, it could have been ditched in the Pacific before it went into Alaska.
This was a probe of some sort. Kudos to China for showing the hegemon that its airspace is not off-limits. I can’t help but also note that canceling the Blinken idiot’s trip to China will have repercussions for US markets. Boeing, a giant defense contractor as well as a duopoly, was hoping to convince Xi to let the defective Boeing MAX 737 series be sold again in China,
Those hopes died with the balloon. China seems very shrewd, they know how to punch the empire in the balls.

Posted by: Chris | Feb 5 2023 1:59 utc | 127

One thing I have to wonder about this frenzied media hoopla: Is this perhaps a deliberate attempt to further conceal a far more significant bit of news?
Biden has just seriously escalated the Ukraine proxy war, with nary a peep from the MSM so obsessed with the “spy balloon”:
US sends long-range missiles to Ukraine
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/02/04/ypjw-f04.html
The White House announced Friday that it would send long-range missiles capable of striking nearly 100 miles into Russian territory to Ukraine, in one of the most significant escalations of US involvement in the war with Russia to date.
Following Washington’s tradition of the “Friday afternoon news dump,” the announcement was timed so as to garner as little public attention as possible.
The pliant American media supported the Biden administration’s goal of keeping the American public from understanding the consequences of this action. This massive escalation of the war against Russia received effectively no media coverage. It was not featured on the front pages of the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, or Washington Post, and was not reported on the evening network news shows.
The weapons system, known as the ground-launched Small Diameter Bomb, is a rocket-launched maneuverable glide bomb with double the range of the HIMARS missiles Washington has already provided. …

Posted by: JMF | Feb 5 2023 2:27 utc | 128

The Associated Press
@AP
BREAKING: China is protesting the U.S. downing of a Chinese balloon, saying the action violates international norms and it reserves the right to take further action in response.
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1622043161315971072

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Feb 5 2023 2:33 utc | 129

Multiple fighter and refuelling aircraft were involved in the mission, but just one — an F-22 fighter jet from Langley Air Force Base in Virginia — took the shot at 2:39pm local time (19:39 GMT) using a single AIM-9X supersonic, heat-seeking, air-to-air missile, a senior US military official said.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/4/biden-says-us-will-take-care-of-suspected-chinese-spy-balloon

According to Wikipedia, each unit of AIM-9X costs $381,069.74. Plus the cost of flying multiple fighter jets…

Posted by: 137 | Feb 5 2023 3:09 utc | 130

West of England Andy #64
“Wonder if the hashtag #BalloonLivesMatter will trend?”
Is that a balloon you have in your pants or are you just happy to see me?

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 5 2023 3:13 utc | 131

This is something out of an episode of “Get Smart”, an US TV situation comedy from the 1960s which parodied both James Bond movies and the paranoia and stupidity of CIA.

Posted by: 99 Commie Ballons | Feb 5 2023 3:23 utc | 132

Appoligies to “THE WINDS OF FATE by Ella Wheeler Wilcox”
One BSLLONE drives east and another drives west
With the self-same winds that blow;
‘Tis the set of the sails
And not the gales
That tells them the way to go.
Like the winds of the sea are the winds of fate
As we voyage along through life;
‘Tis the set of the soul
That decides its goal
And not the calm or the strife.
Biden is excited. He gets excited by balloons: they make him want to sniff things.
Any politicaly sensitive data on the ballon would have been deleted and the equipment fried and ejected once the existence of the balloon was known to the intellegence community if the balloon was intended to spy.

——————————
https://spaceweather.com/
Cosmic Rays in the Atmosphere
SPACE WEATHER BALLOON DATA: Almost once a week, Spaceweather.com and the students of Earth to Sky Calculus fly space weather balloons to the stratosphere over California. These balloons are equipped with sensors that detect secondary cosmic rays, a form of radiation from space that can penetrate all the way down to Earth’s surface. Our monitoring program has been underway without interruption for 7 years, resulting in a unique dataset of in situ atmospheric measurements.”

Posted by: barstool | Feb 5 2023 3:24 utc | 133

This Chinese China watcher believes that both Xi Jinping and Antony Blinken are losing control over the “back to Business as usual” narrative -for different reasons, and this balloon drama is a first proof of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXb68tbKSrI
Do Joe Sixpack and Zhang Wei finally have enough of the bad “beer” sold by their directors?

Posted by: Antonym | Feb 5 2023 3:27 utc | 134

You have to hand it to China. The virgin flight of a balloon filled with nitrous oxide was a resounding success.
The entire world laughed at the dying hegemon.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Feb 5 2023 3:28 utc | 135

@barstool | Feb 5 2023 3:24 utc | 132
Yep, I have difficulty typing and editing on my phone, and, at times, thinking. Now I’m replying to myself, too.
“BSLLONE” was a typo supposed to be “balloon.” Sorry.

Posted by: barstool | Feb 5 2023 3:32 utc | 136

The Chinese really didn’t want Blinken, who invited himself to China, to come. So, a little prank.

Posted by: veto | Feb 5 2023 4:01 utc | 137

The balloon was full of artistic black and white porno movies.The kinky actors were EU aristocracy and Chinese peasants enjoying the fruits of their labor.

Posted by: Dingo | Feb 5 2023 4:12 utc | 138

Blinken canceled a visit to China that only he knew about (or made up).
from China:
“In fact, neither side has ever announced that there would be a visit. It is a matter for the US to make its latest announcement, and we respect that,” said the spokesperson from the Chinese Foreign Ministry. . .here
from Blinken
Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken spoke today with Director of the CCP Central Foreign Affairs Office Wang Yi to convey that he will not be traveling to the People’s Republic of China at this time in light of the current presence of a high-altitude PRC surveillance balloon in U.S. airspace. The Secretary relayed that he had planned to visit Beijing to follow up on the agenda agreed to by President Biden and President Xi in November in Bali. The Secretary noted the PRC’s statement of regret but conveyed that this is an irresponsible act and a clear violation of U.S. sovereignty and international law that undermined the purpose of the trip. The Secretary explained that in light of this ongoing issue, it would not be appropriate to visit Beijing at this time. He underscored that the United States is committed to diplomatic engagement and maintaining open lines of communication, and that he would be prepared to visit Beijing as soon as conditions allow.. .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 5 2023 4:22 utc | 139

from the Pentagon:
F-22 Safely Shoots Down Chinese Spy Balloon Off South Carolina Coast

President Joe Biden ordered the action on Wednesday, but it was delayed until the balloon was over water off the coast of South Carolina to ensure no Americans on the ground were harmed.
“The balloon, which was being used by the PRC in an attempt to surveil strategic sites in the continental United States, was brought down above U.S. territorial waters,” Austin said.
The action was taken in coordination and support of the Canadian government. “We thank Canada for its contribution to tracking and analysis of the balloon through [North American Aerospace Defense Command] as it transited North America,” Austin said. “Today’s deliberate and lawful action demonstrates that President Biden and his national security team will always put the safety and security of the American people first while responding effectively to the PRC’s unacceptable violation of our sovereignty,” Austin said referring to the Peoples Republic of China.
U.S. officials first detected the balloon and its payload on January 28 when it entered U.S. airspace near the Aleutian Islands. The balloon traversed Alaska, Canada and re-entered U.S. airspace over Idaho. “President Biden asked the military to present options and on Wednesday President Biden gave his authorization to take down the Chinese surveillance balloon as soon as the mission could be accomplished without undue risk to us civilians under the balloon’s path,” said a senior defense official speaking on background. “Military commanders determined that there was undue risk of debris causing harm to civilians while the balloon was overland.”
An F-22 Raptor fighter from the 1st Fighter Wing at Langley Air Force Base, Virginia, fired one AIM-9X Sidewinder missile at the balloon.
The balloon fell approximately six miles off the coast in about 47 feet of water. No one was hurt.
Long before the shoot down, U.S. officials took steps to protect against the balloon’s collection of sensitive information, mitigating its intelligence value to the Chinese. The senior defense official said the recovery of the balloon will enable U.S. analysts to examine sensitive Chinese equipment. “I would also note that while we took all necessary steps to protect against the PRC surveillance balloon’s collection of sensitive information, the surveillance balloon’s overflight of U.S. territory was of intelligence value to us,” the official said. “I can’t go into more detail, but we were able to study and scrutinize the balloon and its equipment, which has been valuable.” . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 5 2023 4:31 utc | 140

Dear China.
Please launch long a duration weather-balloon every single minute of each day (1440 in total per day) to become the uncontested world leader in global atmospheric sciences and incidentally “unintentionally” defeat the US air force by economic attrition.
Feel free to have North Korea and Russia join you in the fun 🙂

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 5 2023 5:47 utc | 141

The only thing more pitiful and absurd than the Repugs freaking out about a weather balloon is Biden reacting to it by showing he’s tough on the commies by shooting it down.
Clown world.

Posted by: muttman | Feb 5 2023 5:50 utc | 142

I posted on FB that it was an apoplectic fit via the usOfa over a non steerable weather ballon and someone asked me if I got the word apoplectic from sonar21.
No, i guess great minds think alike – even if Larry and I ( I have never conversed or posted there) are on opposite ends of some political spectra – we can agree over stupidity and the evil that is the UKR govt.

Posted by: paxmark1 | Feb 5 2023 5:51 utc | 143

Just classic. https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/status/1622051482072907776

Posted by: muttman | Feb 5 2023 5:52 utc | 144

That should be “Please launch a long duration weather-balloon…”. I’m blaming the beer.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 5 2023 5:53 utc | 145

Whatever else this wacky bit of maladroit ballooning of manufactured yellow peril panic from the north american ‘partners’ [the ukro-nazi’s grand-daughter canadian deputy pm chystia freeland (‘we will continue to follow the lead of our american allies’) and the dotty emperor uberdroolerghoul biden were the talking heads on my msm ] was supposed to achieve, the obliteration of a Chinese weather balloon by the united snakes airforce [ rather than a shootdown with the ‘proof’ surviving], is clearly an imperial fascist declaration of the utmost ill intentions against the PRC by what is outrageously referred to as ‘the free world.’ War without war within prepare.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Feb 5 2023 6:09 utc | 146

not sure if anyone else has made the connection but i feel like they saw a chance to reboot the “balloon boy“. this one may actually be dumber. there’s probably a joke about “99 luftballons” in there but i’ll pass.

Posted by: the pair | Feb 5 2023 6:11 utc | 147

@Don Bacon | Feb 5 2023 4:31 utc | 139

F-22 Safely Shoots Down Chinese Spy Balloon Off South Carolina Coast

Thanks for the quote. “Safely”, rofl. Why not “heroically”?

Posted by: aquadraht | Feb 5 2023 6:49 utc | 148

Should we make a betting pool about the number of military decorations given in the appreciation of the valor and dexterity exhibited by US Air Force and US Navy (or was it Coast Guard) in the first military action near the coast of US in this millennium? I bet between 100 and 200.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 5 2023 7:01 utc | 149

I just love the DoD:
“F-22 Safely Shoots Down Chinese Spy Balloon Off South Carolina Coast
A U.S. Air Force fighter safely shot down a Chinese high-altitude surveillance balloon today, Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III said in a written statement.”
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3288543/f-22-safely-shoots-down-chinese-spy-balloon-off-south-carolina-coast/
What took more time? F-22 hitting its target or Austin figuring out a way to make that statement sound not completely idiotic.

Posted by: AG | Feb 5 2023 7:05 utc | 150

” responding effectively to the PRC’s unacceptable violation of our sovereignty,” Austin said”
If I were a correspondent entitled to ask question to a spokes-creature (trying to be non-gendered) of Defense Department:
Is it the opinion of Department of Defense that balloon incident was so unacceptable violation of our sovereignty that USA would not attempt similar violations to other countries?
[word salad]
President Obama requested from Iran the return of American spying drone that they downed. Was it a valid request? I do not want to ask you hypotheticals about your reaction to a possible request from Chinese government, but I would like to get the sense for the future from your comments about the past.
[word salad]

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 5 2023 7:12 utc | 151

@ Posted by: AG | Feb 5 2023 7:05 utc | 149
The USAF wasn’t even sure the F-22 could shoot fish in a barrel that they needed 2 F-15s to cover it’s ass just in case, LOL.

Posted by: JW | Feb 5 2023 7:35 utc | 152

Finally a mission the F-22 could carry out. Good boy!
(However much backup it needed and however nervous the war department evidently was, thus its audible sigh of relief that the plane “safely” accomplished this.)
Since there were no seagulls in the vicinity it was unnecessary to fall back and wait for reinforcements.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 5 2023 8:00 utc | 153

The Biden administration is happy. It’s proved the US military can actually hit the broad side of a barn door and kill it even if its made of something a lot thinner than pole-dancer Cindy’s ultra-sheer stockings. Big defeat for China, which must now hang its head in shame and never again float a weather balloon or else. Sadly for US, China can make several hundred thousand a year for about $2500, while it costs USAF $50,000 to shoot each one down, not counting wear and tear on their ageing aircraft. Sounds like asymetric warfare! Fortunately, Raytheon will shortly offer a flying M1 Abrams tank, so that’s one problem solved. But the real threat is Chinese high-tech fighting kites. Meanwhile, in the real world, satellites are rife and the Chinese are delighted by the absence of Mr. Blinken and his traveling snake oil road show. Looks like a win-win situation.

Posted by: TPaine | Feb 5 2023 8:52 utc | 154

From Zero Hedge

US Stealth Jet Shoots Down Chinese Spy Balloon Off Carolinas

Good thing it was stealth, because otherwise the balloon might have defended itself! What a complete clown show!

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 5 2023 8:52 utc | 155

What took more time? F-22 hitting its target or Austin figuring out a way to make that statement sound not completely idiotic.
Posted by: AG | Feb 5 2023 7:05 utc | 149
Indeed, the balloon should be spotted when it flew along Aleutian Islands, perhaps two days before crossing Idaho and Montana, so as current and clear danger the the weal of Americans, it could be shot down there, with some minor danger to walruses or grizzly bears underneath. So for some reason, decisions took considerable time. So the first difficulty to be faced was threat assessment: is it clear? Is it imminent and immanent? Apparently, it was not. But the second difficulty, preparing proper speeches and press releases truly dictated meticulous and time consuming preparation. After all, you cannot wake up writers in the middle of the night and expect them to prepare sensible text by morning, taking into account the political situation that was more capricious than the course of the jet stream.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Feb 5 2023 8:56 utc | 156

How do I donate ? Can’t find link

Posted by: ra | Feb 5 2023 9:03 utc | 157

Pres. Hair Sniffer has congratulated the pilot for shooting down a balloon as big as three busses. Great marksmanship indeed.
When is the victory parade scheduled for?

Posted by: B. Wildered | Feb 5 2023 9:05 utc | 158

I’m totally puzzled by Russia/China not showing their fangs to the ever-insulting rogue state. Why don’t they actively sanction them?

Posted by: Tapio | Feb 5 2023 9:11 utc | 159

@B. Wildered | Feb 5 2023 9:05 utc | 157

Pres. Hair Sniffer has congratulated the pilot for shooting down a balloon as big as three busses.

The units of measure i the US has always been, shall we say, “somewhat unique”. How many bananas make 3 busses?

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 5 2023 9:13 utc | 160

@Tapio | Feb 5 2023 9:11 utc | 158

I’m totally puzzled by Russia/China not showing their fangs to the ever-insulting rogue state. Why don’t they actively sanction them?

Not required, the west is sanctioning itself.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 5 2023 9:14 utc | 161

Lira had a good explanation why Russia and China are tip-toeing and trying not to do anything “provocative”. USA is in decline and thrashing around aimlessly. This one was about coming race riots and the attempt to replace Biden with Kamala. Obama faction is actually controlling Kamala.
Nothing US is doing has no clear motive or objective. The only objective is to cause as much chaos anywhere possible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g_iTImf__A

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 5 2023 9:20 utc | 162

Piotr Berman | Feb 5 2023 8:56 utc | 155
“So for some reason, decisions took considerable time.”
It would’ve been premature for the war-on-China jingos (i.e. the entire imperial media and both teams of the uniparty) to start the propaganda shrieking before the balloon was actually over US airspace.
Plus the Republicans got to score an easy propaganda shot at the administration as being soft on China, some red meat for the Repbots who are just as dumb as the Dembots in thinking there’s any difference in the monoparty.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 5 2023 9:35 utc | 163

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 4 2023 20:47 utc | 53
White hats is a Qanon thing.
From the 8chan larp that was turned into a psyops (my guess) by the right wing nuts that podesta referenced in his phished emails.
completely destroyed 8chan in the end and the good detective work they doing.(very off topic so wont mention it)

Posted by: Alogon | Feb 5 2023 9:39 utc | 164

The most serious thing we can say about this episode is that it’s a harbinger of the steampunk technology which is the only possible technological future for humanity.
In that sense it’s elegantly symbolic that the advent of a balloon causes hysteria within the heart of the imperial pinnacle of modern extreme-energy civilization, even as against its conscious will this civilization aggressively is de-industrializing and de-energizing itself.
And the fact that an F-22 proven worthless for all other missions belatedly shot the balloon down after it had completed all its work: A perfect symbol of technological futility.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 5 2023 9:47 utc | 165

Posted by: TPaine | Feb 5 2023 8:52 utc | 153
Lol, only $50000?
I’m thinking at least in the low 7-figures, that missile alone is already $0.4 million (officially). Not to mention the maintenance and commercial airspace closures.

Posted by: JW | Feb 5 2023 9:54 utc | 166

Following idea came in my mind: China, with its apology for the unintentional intrusion (no matter how sincere), recognized that states exercise sovereignty over airspace in the high and higher stratosphere. It doesn’t have to be cringing.
For example, China and Russia could begin to reverse the Western superiority in LEO satellites, this is already partly underway. “Killer satellites” and collection satellites have also already been tested. In addition, there are ground-based technologies against LEO objects, mainly lasers, jammers in addition.
If there is sufficient superiority, Chinese and Russians, referring to the American complaint China acknowledged, could declare the high airspace up to the low earth orbit as a sovereign territory and negotiate overflight rights with friendly and neutral states. After that, they could start mopping up Western satellites.
By the way, a satellite arms race is a resource issue .. just to mention.

Posted by: aquadraht | Feb 5 2023 10:11 utc | 167

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 4 2023 19:15 utc | 22 — “The paranoia exhibited by Blinken will not be lost on RoW along with his gross hypocrisy. ”
Yuppp. With that much paranoia and hypocrisy, and may I say, falsehood in his veins, it is no wonder that Blinkin’ Blink’n looks so constipated in every single photograph of his.
If an application letter with such a ‘photogenic’ face shows up in response to one of my job vacancy advertisements, I would not even call him in for an interview.
With a face like that, he is not a good fit to run even a business as small as a gas station, or a fast-food joint.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Feb 5 2023 10:50 utc | 168

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 4 2023 21:36 utc | 71 — “Chinese balloon strikes back https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/43348
Best laugh for the day for me. Thanks.
Reminds me of that idiot, Liz Truss, heading that soccer ball.
Perhaps someone can make another video of more Chinese balloons striking back to make Bidet fall off that bike when he rocked up to greet his admirers.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Feb 5 2023 10:53 utc | 169

Most interesting.
Or a very convenient lapse of memory concerning the era before the easy-to-shoot-down-for-missile target practice super secret CIA black-funded Skunkworks project A5(U2). In the end, the Russians had so many U2 wrecks. They inevitably cloned their very own high-altitude research plane. That was a much safer-to-fly variant. A standard U2 pilot had by habit due to constant high altitude compressor stalls. Had to master the art of “In-flight Emergency Jet Engine restart procedures”.
The CIA bumblers at Langley came up with the idea that one could achieve the same result as a U2 overflight of the Soviet Union. Using the cheap readily available weather balloon. Little did the wankers at the CIA realize the Soviet jet engines of the era had superior high-altitude performance to usual USSA-made GE/Westinghouse/P&W trash jet engines of the same era.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Feb 5 2023 11:14 utc | 170

Tapio @158: “I’m totally puzzled by Russia/China not showing their fangs to the ever-insulting rogue state. Why don’t they actively sanction them?”
Sane people pity psychopaths, not emulate them.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 5 2023 13:27 utc | 171

@kiwiklown | Feb 5 2023 10:53 utc | 168

Best laugh for the day for me. Thanks.

You are welcome 😎
I wonder if the pilot gets to paint a balloon on the side of the F-22?

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 5 2023 13:44 utc | 172

Another great analysis, b. Unfortunately, there is one rather critical mistake.
The Atlantic jet stream rarely achieves a height greater than 40,000 feet, and the Chinese balloon was at 60k (accurately mentioned later in your piece).
In a nutshell, the air currents above where planes fly don’t have cool names and are rarely mapped or studied, so it’s a very different “universe” up there, and understanding where balloons will drift at that altitude is poor.

Posted by: Sam | Feb 5 2023 14:08 utc | 173

How do I donate ? Can’t find link
Posted by: ra | Feb 5 2023 9:03 utc | 156

See Please Support Moon of Alabama.

Posted by: David Levin | Feb 5 2023 14:09 utc | 174

The saddest aspect of this is Blinken and the rest of the War Party have no idea what laughing stocks they are making of themselves.
Posted by: Exile | Feb 4 2023 19:05 utc | 18
WaPo dedicated five (5) articles to the balloon the other day. Too funny!

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Feb 5 2023 14:16 utc | 175

It would be laughable if it wasn’t so foolish but worse is the way the MSM take it all so seriously, especially the BBC’s ‘coverage’ which went on for hours and hours and hours, with the usual array of ‘experts’ pontificating with not a single one pointing out that there’s no way a balloon’s trajectory can be controlled in the slightest!

Posted by: Barofsky | Feb 5 2023 14:21 utc | 176

Uncle Tungsten@130, and the rest of the bar.
Thanks, I needed this.
Late daughter’s birthday, yesterday.
Buddy’s birthday, tomorrow.
I’m advising against balloons.

Posted by: $outhpaw | Feb 5 2023 15:24 utc | 177

Not only was destroying the balloon a political show and dangerous provocation. It was stupid in terms of the chosen method. Overkill by using a missile likely destroyed the possibility of collecting relevant intelligence or proof of intent to collect intelligence. Of course, the Pentagon and Administration probably knew already that there would be no such evidence. So exploding the evidence and spreading it over a huge area looks more like intentionally destroying any way to prove Chinese assertions of innocence. Also, using any semi-obsolete jet fighter and a 50 calibre cannon to poke holes would have brought the balloon down intact for “research” purposes. Global Times today has relevant comment from the Chinese.

Posted by: Lonl | Feb 5 2023 15:41 utc | 178

Since AmeriKKKa has decided to adopt a Quixotic approach to external “threats” perhaps China should consider suspending windmills from its weather balloons.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 5 2023 16:37 utc | 179

from the Chinese Foreign Ministry …
“In fact, neither side has ever announced that there would be a visit,” the ministry pointed out.
Even US Sec of State Blinken’s “stern” reply to the Chinese “spy” balloon was a blunder. As some famous French leader once retorted, “Never interrupt your enemy when they’re making a mistake.”
This is better than Winnie-the-Pooh dangling by a blue balloon thinking of honey.
see https://www.rt.com/news/570948-china-us-blinken-balloon/

Posted by: N Hanrahan | Feb 5 2023 20:13 utc | 180

Balloons over the North Atlantic – well, there was that time in 1998…
The time a wayward Canadian balloon caused an international stir – and thwarted 3 air forces
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/weather-balloon-canada-china-1.6737831

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Feb 5 2023 23:09 utc | 181

So all these commenters believe that this is just a silly “weather” balloon that blew off course? Except did it not follow the EXACT course on the trade winds that you would expect it to given where it was launched? – so that its path over our military installations cannot have been random or accidental. ie they knew exactly where it would go. Of course, all the meteorologists seem to think it looks NOTHING like any weather balloon they can think of, and seems to be missing anything resembling weather related antenni – so why so eager here to seemingly ignore it’s weird construction?. Then there is the idea that if it WAS just a goofy ol’ weather balloon blown off course by those fickle random trade winds at 60,000 ft, wouldn’t the CCP have warned the US a weather balloon had gone ‘rogue’ and was going to be passing over sensitive military installations as it bounded too and fro? Hither and yon? Either way, I am sure the ‘Chinese people’ are ‘offended’

Posted by: Random Rilley | Feb 5 2023 23:33 utc | 182

in 1960 on the eve of the Paris peace talks Ike had ordered a cessation of all overflights of the Soviet Union; despite that order a compromised U2 plane was sent over the USSR from Pakistan against the President’s orders on May Day of all days. Pilot Gary Power’s plane would be damaged by flak, he got tangled in his lines when ejecting, saving his life; a proper ejection was designed to sever the thighs of the pilot; Gary also declined to take the cycanide pill; the Paris peace talks were thus avoided.
Source, James Bamfords “Body of Secrets” part 2 of a 3 part work on the NSA where he obtained Umbra level clearance to report on the NSA

Posted by: scottindallas | Feb 6 2023 0:08 utc | 183

Gotta larf – time for Nena’s 99 Luftballons to be back on the radio playlists?
It had some salient lines – grosse Krieger (great warriors) in their jetfighters who think that they are Capt Kirk, saving the universe by hitting things, usw.
Extra stoopid was using Sidewinder missiles ($600K@), at least one of which missed, to hit something the width of 3 buses drifting in the gentle breeze when a dozen 20mm cannon rounds would have brought it down.
Jeeez, boys & their toys!

Posted by: Unbekannt | Feb 6 2023 0:24 utc | 184

the funniest thing are “trump-ers” , “magas” and sinophobes, who cheer at Brandons MILITARY operation for shooting down an unarmed wetter ballon AFTER it flew over all of the US. And suddenly you got the climate-deniers who swear at wind and weather predictability.
Its. Extremely. Easy. To. Manipulate. People. By. Using. Their. Hate. Fear. And. Perjustices.

Posted by: Vikichka | Feb 6 2023 8:56 utc | 185