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January 17, 2023
Ukraine SitRep – Media Ignorance, Counter-Artillery War, Three Lost Armies

Yves Smith asks:

What if Russia Won the Ukraine War but the Western Press Didn’t Notice?

She points to several headlines which, despite decisive Russian victories like its taking of Soledar, present the Ukraine as winning the war:

Nevertheless, Soledar has fallen and the loss of Bakhmut looks baked in, absent horrific Russian errors. The so-called Zelensky line is breaking even before Russia has put its recently-mobilized forces to work in a serious way. Regular commentators are waiting for the Russian hammer to fall, although Russia may simply grind more forcefully by pressing harder at more points along the very long line of contact. Remember one concern on the Russian side is avoiding “winning” in a way that leads to NATO panic and desperate action … not that the Collective West’s fragile emotional state can be readily managed.

With that context, you’d expect some members of the press to have worked out that things are not going very well for Ukraine and the classic cowboy movie rescue of the calvary riding over the hill (here in the form of tanks and artillery) will be too little, too late.

Instead, the media seems to be trying to integrate snippets of facts on the ground with the heroic tale of inevitable Ukraine victory.

That is certainly correct for the wide majority of the stories, which claim that Soledar and Bahkmut, are irrelevant towns, but some pieces are creeping up that differ. A few days ago the Washington Post headlined:

Bloody Bakhmut siege poses risks for Ukraine

Ukraine faces difficult choices about how much deeper its military should get drawn into a protracted fight over the besieged city of Bakhmut, as Kyiv prepares for a new counteroffensive elsewhere on the front that requires conserving weapons, ammunition and experienced fighters.

Russia has escalated its assault in the area in recent days, unleashing savage fighting that has underscored the high cost of the battle. Russian mercenaries and released convicts from the Wagner group pushed into the neighboring salt-mining town of Soledar and inched closer to Bakhmut, the capture of which has eluded them for months despite an advantage in firepower and the willingness to sacrifice troops.

The piece quotes several Ukrainian soldiers which speak of huge losses on their side. But the U.S. is still egging them on:

The senior U.S. official cautioned against completely dismissing Bakhmut or neighboring Soledar as nonstrategic places that Kyiv can simply relinquish, noting that the salt and gypsum mines give the area economic significance. Theoretically, the Russians could use the deep salt mines and tunnels to protect equipment and ammunition from Ukrainian missile strikes. Moscow has also endowed the city with import.

“To some degree, Bakhmut matters to [Ukraine] because it matters so much to the Russians,” the senior U.S. official said, noting that control of Bakhmut is not going to have a huge impact on the conflict or imperil Ukraine’s defensive or offensive options in the country’s eastern Donbas region.

The official added, “Bakhmut is not going to change the war.”

I believe the senior U.S. official to be very wrong. Soledar and Bakhmut are bleeding the Ukrainian army dry. That is of relevance. Look at the insane number of Ukrainian units deployed on that only 50 kilometer (30mi) long sector of the front.


Source: Military Land Deployment Mapbigger

I count the equivalent of some 27 brigade size formations in that area. The usual size of a brigade is some 3,000 to 4,000 men with hundreds of all kinds of vehicles. If all brigades had their full strength that force would count as 97,500 men. In a recent interview the Ukrainian military commander Zaluzhny said that his army has 200,000 men trained to fight with 500,000 more having other functions or currently being trained. The forces which are currently getting mauled in the Bakhmut area constitute 50% of Ukraine's battle ready forces.

Zaluzhny has pulled units from other fronts like the Kreminna and Svatove sector further north in Luhansk province to feed them into Bakhmut. That has minimized any chance that the Ukrainian forces in those sectors will be able to make any progress.

What nearly all reports from Ukraine seem to miss is the huge damage that Russia artillery is causing on a daily base. Ukraine has little artillery left to respond to that and whatever it still has is getting less by the day.

A few weeks ago the Russian military started a systematic counter artillery campaign which has since made great progress. The typical western way of detecting enemy artillery units is by radar. The flight path of the projectile is measured and the coordinates of its source are calculated enabling ones own artillery to respond. But counter-artillery radar itself depends on radiating. It is thereby easily detectable and vulnerable to fire. Over the last months Russia deployed a very different counter-artillery detection systems with the rather ironic name of Penicillin:

Penicillin or 1B75 Penicillin is an acoustic-thermal artillery-reconnaissance system developed by Ruselectronics for the Russian Armed Forces. The system aims to detect and locate enemy artillery, mortars, MLRs, anti-aircraft or tactical-missile firing positions with seismic and acoustic sensors, without emitting any radio waves. It locates enemy fire within 5 seconds at a range of 25 km (16 mi; 13 nmi). Penicillin completed state trials in December 2018 and entered combat duty in 2020.

The Penicillin is mounted on the 8×8 Kamaz-6350 chassis and consists of a 1B75 sensor suite placed on a telescopic boom for the infrared and visible spectrum as well as of several ground-installed seismic and acoustic receivers as a part of the 1B76 sensor suite. It has an effective range for communication with other military assets up to 40 kilometres (25 mi) and is capable to operate even in a fully automatic mode, without any crew. One system can reportedly cover an entire division against an enemy fire. Besides that, it co-ordinates and corrects a friendly artillery fire.


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The Penicillin system can hide in the woods and stick up its telescopic boom to look at and listen to the battlefield. As it does not radiate itself there is no good way for an enemy to detect it.

The system pinpoints Ukrainian guns as they fire. They are then eliminated by immediate precise counter-fire. As the artillery relevant part of today's 'clobber' list provided by the Russian Ministry of Defense claims:

Operational-Tactical Aviation, Missile Troops and Artillery of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have neutralised an artillery ordnance depot of 114th Territorial Defence Brigade near Veliky Burluk (Kharkov region), as well as 82 artillery units at their firing positions, manpower and hardware at 98 areas.

Counterbattery warfare operations have resulted in destruction of:

  • one Polish-manufactured Krab howitzer near Peschanoye (Kharkov region);
  • one U.S.-manufactured M109 Paladin howitzer, and one fighting vehicle equipped with Grad multiple-launch rocket system (MLRS) near Lozovaya (Kharkov region);
  • one D-20 howitzer near Terny (Donetsk People's Republic);
  • two Giatsint-B howitzers near Maryinka and Orlovka (Donetsk People's Republic);
  • two Akatsiya self-propelled howitzers near Nevskoye (Lugansk People's Republic), and Preobrazhenka (Zaporozhye region);
  • five D-30 howitzers near Zmiyevka, Novokairy (Kherson region), Sofiyevka (Donetsk People's Republic), and Orekhov (Zaporozhye region).

Four U.S.-manufactured counterbattery warfare radars have been destroyed:

  • two AN/TPQ-50 stations near Mylovoye and Dudchany (Kherson region),
  • one AN/TPQ-36 counterbattery warfare radar near Ugledar (Donetsk People's Republic),
  • one U.S.-manufactured AN/TPQ-48 counterbattery warfare radar near Senkovo (Kharkov region).

Air defence facilities have shot down six Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Kremennaya (Lugansk People's Republic), Nikolskoye, and Petrovskoye (Donetsk People's Republic).

14 rocket-propelled projectiles launched by HIMARS and Olkha MLRS have been intercepted near Udy (Kharkov region), Smolyaninovo (Lugansk People's Republic), Donetsk, and Khartsyzsk (Donetsk People's Republic).

One U.S.-manufactured anti-radiation missile has been shot down near Radensk (Kherson region).

One Ukrainian Tochka-U ballistic missile has been shot down near Berdyansk (Zaporozhye region).

The above is the equivalent of two artillery companies (batteries with six guns each) eliminated in just one day. Ukrainian counter-battery fire against Russian artillery is no longer possible as the necessary detection equipment gets eliminated and as Ukrainian counter-fire is shot down by Russian air defenses.

This Russian counter-artillery campaign has been going on for several weeks. It has disabled large parts of what was left of Ukrainian longer range capabilities. Meanwhile the Russian artillery keeps on knocking down Ukranian troops that hold the frontline. Only when all parts of the Ukrainian trenches have been hit by intense fire will the Russian infantry move in to clean up whatever is left behind.

This form of battle is causing huge losses on the Ukrainian side while the Russian forces incur just a minimum of casualties.

In his recent talks Col (ret.) Douglas Macgregor put the deaths in Ukraine forces at 150,000 and casualties at 450,000. I, like Yves Smith, doubt that number of wounded is that high. As the system of Ukrainian battlefield extradition and hospitalization is in a bad state there will be less wounded and likely more dead.

In a huge contrast to U.S. waged wars, the civilian death count on the Ukrainian side is remarkably low:

Andriy Yermak, head of the Ukrainian presidential staff, said at the World Economic Forum in the Swiss resort of Davos, “We have registered 80,000 crimes committed by Russian invaders and over 9,000 civilians have been killed, including 453 children.”

Feeding more troops into the battle in the Bakhmut sector, as the Ukrainian side has been doing, is not a good use of resources.

We can state that Ukraine has by now lost the nominal equipment of two larger armies.

At the beginning of the war the Ukrainian army was said to have some 2,500 tanks, 12,500 armored vehicles and 3,500 large artillery systems. It is doubtful that more than half of those were in a usable state but they may have received enough repair to be workable.

The Russia military claims that most of those have been eliminated:

7,549 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, 984 fighting vehicles equipped with MLRS, 3,853 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 8,081 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.

If one doubts those numbers one has to ask why the Ukraine has needed to import so many more weapons and is still short of them:

  • 410 Soviet-era tanks delivered by NATO members in former communist bloc, including Poland, Czech Republic and Slovenia.
  • 300 [Armored/Infantry Fighting Vehicles], including 250 Soviet-designed IFVs from former communist states.
  • 1,100 [Armored Personnel Carriers], including 300 M113 troop carriers and 250 M117s.
  • 300 towed howitzers. 400+ pieces of self-propelled artillery, of which 180 is on order.
  • 95 [Multiple Rocket Launchers]

There were also a number of fighter airplanes, helicopter and air-defense systems. The above was the second army, after Ukraine's original one was mostly gone, that has by now been nearly eliminated.

The Russian clobber list now regularly reports of combat with Ukraine forces that kills, for example, one tank, three armored vehicles and a number of pick-ups and motor vehicles:

One Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance group has been eliminated near Liman Pervy (Kharkov region). The enemy has lost over 50 Ukrainian personnel, one tank, two infantry fighting vehicles, and two pickups.

[In Donetsk direction] over 60 Ukrainian personnel, one tank, three armoured fighting vehicles, and six motor vehicles have been eliminated.

Two AFU sabotage and reconnaissance groups have been eliminated in the area to the north of Levadnoye and Vladimirovka (Donetsk People's Republic). The enemy has lost up to 40 Ukrainian personnel, two armoured fighting vehicles, and three motor vehicles.

Pick-ups and unarmored motor vehicles should avoid the frontline and certainly not be part of force attacking the immediate frontline. If these reports reflect the current structure of Ukrainian forces, as I believe they do, than its state is indeed dire.

In his Economist interview General Zeluzhny has requested a third army to be delivered to him immediately:

“I know that I can beat this enemy,” he says. “But I need resources. I need 300 tanks, 600-700 IFVs [infantry fighting vehicles], 500 Howitzers.”

As the Economist writer dryly noted:

The incremental arsenal he is seeking is bigger than the total armoured forces of most European armies.

The stocks of two complete armies have by now been destroyed in Ukraine. The resources for a smaller third one will be delivered in the next rounds of 'western' equipment deliveries during the next months. Russia will dully destroy Ukraine's third army just as it has destroyed the first and second one. It is doubtful that the 'West' has enough material left to provide Ukraine with a fourth one.

That then leaves only two options. Send in 'western' armies with the equipment they still have or declare victory and go home.

The neo-conservatives as ever favor the first option. President Joe Biden may still be against sending U.S. soldiers but this could change if he indeed gets blackmailed into doing it:

[A]s the ‘classified documents’ scandal gains momentum, the malleable president will likely fall-in-line and do whatever the hawkish foreign policy establishment demands of him. In short, the documents flap is being used by behind-the-scenes powerbrokers who are blackmailing the president to pursue their own narrow interests. They have Brandon over-a-barrel.

There is no evidence that this is happening but the signs are there.

The second option is to declare a non-existent victory and to forget about the whole issues.

But will the 'western' media, as Yves asks, notice any of this?

As commentator David correctly remarks at Yves' site:

I’ve said for a long time now that the West will be able to claim “victory”, or at least not defeat, by establishing fantastical victory conditions that the Russians never had and never wanted, and then claiming credit for frustrating them. With luck, this will just about enable western elites to hang onto power, at least temporarily.

"Putin tried to conquer Europe but we stopped him after he took only half of Ukraine," will sound like victory. But it is of course extremely far from the truth. Anyway, the media may well buy it:

But in the wider sense, we’re seeing the latest and most degenerate stage of the stupidity and ignorance which has afflicted the western media and pundit class over the last year. They didn’t know about the war in the Donbas, nobody told them Russia had the strongest army in Europe, nobody knew about the defensive lines in Donbas, nobody understood the seriousness of the Russian threats, nobody realised the Russians hoped for a short, sharp war to bring the Ukrainians to their senses, nobody understood why Russia went over to Plan B while it mobilised, nobody realised the Russians had been stockpiling weapons and ammunition for years; nobody knew what attrition warfare was …. In other words, the most disgraceful example of ignorance and stupidity of any ruling class in modern times. It will go on to the end, and “victory” will be proclaimed.

The war the U.S. provoked in Ukraine has been won by Russia even when no one wants to note it.

Comments

old hippie@301
Thanks for the response. As you are a man on the spot, your information looks to be spot-on regarding the parochial (school) politrix. Perhaps you recall his name, but several years back there was an aging, wheelchair-bound Jewish gentleman who kept tearing hell out of a number of corrupt judges in the Chi-town megalopolis. It would be nice if you can come up with his name and post a bit here on his civic-minded assaults on the corrupted and corruptors.
We sure need more and more of those types of people who have the chutzpah, sisu and guts to take on each and every corrupted institution. Don’t know if you have the spare time, but an essay on the Pritzker crime clan and their ownership of Obaminable via their minion, Rahm Emanuel, firstly writ large and latterly in a shortened digest for MoA would be most telling in extending some understanding of the third largest metro in this ruptured republic.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 18 2023 17:03 utc | 301

Posted by: paddy | Jan 18 2023 15:29 utc | 289
The Ramstein meeting where “decision of tanks” is made is all just chrome. Basically US was forced to do it, or do something, because Ukraine has only few tanks left. The Russians more or less know what’s being transported, and most likely they will know in which part of the front they’ll pop up, and how they’re distributed and prepare accordingly.
If they had firepower to destroy 7000 armored vehicles / APCs / tanks over a period of 10 months, the same firepower will now be waiting for those few hundred tanks to appear somewhere. Now it should be even more ready and available to act compared to last Autumn.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 18 2023 17:21 utc | 302

@ Don Bacon | Jan 18 2023 16:58 utc | 300
i agree… russia never should have gone into kherson… the rationale for leaving made more sense.. i guess i worded that all wrong.. i recall you talking about it at the time.. i didn’t say anything..

Posted by: james | Jan 18 2023 17:26 utc | 303

@Doug Hillman | Jan 18 2023 13:58 utc | 269
@aristodemos | Jan 18 2023 15:32 utc | 289
Thank-you for your kind words. Appreciated 🙂
@Doug Hillman
“not a fan of stage-four finance-capitalism.” You think? I’m never a fan of capitalism. See my (very brief) Evaluism for an alternative which does not embody The Six Great Thefts of Capitalism”>.
@aristodemos China is running one of their third generation bullet trains at 650 km/h (404 mph). See e.g.
Eds (2021-07-20). China unveils 600 kph maglev train – state media. Reuters. The train is faster than a plane up to about 1325 km (825 miles). It is competitive with aircraft, but as you observe, far more comfortable (a coin balanced on its side will not fall over while accelerating or decelerating and will remained balanced for minutes at a time while traveling), for much longer journeys.
I think that what we really should do (though in 2023 it is probably too late) is something like this, What we really need to do. The sections ‘Sea Level Rise’ and ‘Post Migration Living’ are relevant. Please bear in mind that this is a prepub, incomplete and in many ways requiring revision.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 17:48 utc | 304

All missing material and technical means for the RF Armed Forces must be sent [to the front] no later than February — Mishustin
After general Baldie told nato in his first interview that he will retreat, another genius said the quiet part loud. No need for spies with people like these.

Posted by: rk | Jan 18 2023 17:55 utc | 305

Don Bacon | Jan 18 2023 16:58 utc | 300
Something I don’t think is given adequate weight, is that Kherson is also downstream of a large dam, where Russia controlled one shore and the weirs, and the Ukraine the other shore. While Russia has lowered the dam level, which reduced the risk of catastrophic flooding, as long as Russians remained in Kherson, the temptation for the Ukrainians to destroy the dam remained. Because of their access to the dam, it might have been possible for the Ukraine to attack the dam with submersible drones with a high likelihood of success. By withdrawing from Kherson, Russia very likely made destruction of the dam less compelling, preserving it and downstream assets for when they reacquire these regions.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 17:56 utc | 306

@james | Jan 18 2023 16:41 utc | 297
That was not merely a pleasure, it was a delight 🙂

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 18:02 utc | 307

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 18 2023 17:21 utc | 302
Tanks is one thing, but WHERE does Ukraine obtain diesel ?
Some reports say Bulgaria is supplying diesel, but where does Bulgaria get diesel ?
The largest refinery in the region is LUKOIL Neftohim Burgas AD owned by Lukoil of Russia……
https://www.politico.eu/article/bulgaria-volodymyr-zelenskyy-kiril-petkov-poorest-country-eu-ukraine/
Not quite clear how diesel is transported in Ukraine……..do they have underground pipelines ?

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 18 2023 18:10 utc | 308

@Scotch Bingeington | Jan 18 2023 16:13 utc | 294
They are using Chobham armor containing layers of depleted uranium (2.5x stiffer than steel) but which weighs a lot. They will destroy the roads if they travel on them, and get bogged down of they traverse off them. This is why Russian tanks are lighter, with broader tracks, keeping the ground pressure below 15kg/cm².

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 18:11 utc | 309

Took a look at the Denis Monastyrsky photo gallery on Google. Gay. We knew most or all of the Zelensky government was from the production team for Z’s old television show so it would make sense. I think we are now looking at gay divorce court.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jan 18 2023 18:28 utc | 310

@Don Bacon | Jan 18 2023 15:56 utc | 292
Anyone who pays attention to that article, or any other Western article on the conflict in the Ukraine needs restraints and a padded room to allow them time to recover. Everytime somebody publishes an article the claimed losses (of obsolete equipment) seem to have doubled. In reality, modern Russian tanks have hardly seen action, and the losses of older armored vehicles were largely confined to the feint towards Kiev at the beginning of the SMO in order to pin Ukrainian troops, limiting their involvement in the Donetsk basin. My estimate is about 400 tanks lost to Ukrainian attacks (as opposed to undoubtedly inflated Ukrainian claims of 370 tanks by March 15, after which losses of Russian armor have been trivial). Perhaps 50 more abandoned as unserviceable in the field and not worth recovering. Compare this loss of antiquated technology to the 600 or so T90 tanks Russia had added to it’s in inventory over the current year.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 18:28 utc | 311

@ Hermit | Jan 18 2023 17:56 utc | 306
exactly.. thanks for saying all that.. i couldn’t be bothered to, but you are right..

Posted by: james | Jan 18 2023 18:33 utc | 312

@RB 273
I think that when Opport Knocks was talking about Russia having less experience in winning the hearts and minds of people than US/UK that he was being sarcastic.
People in Iraq, Libya, and other nations where we have interacted recently hate our guts. Last years Summit of the Americas, hosted by Biden, was supposed to showcase American solidarity. It instead turned into US plus a few nations against everyone else. The US quite proudly proclaims its intent of having no friends, only mutual interests.
Meanwhile, in Chechnya, Crimea, and all four newly annexed areas, the populations are very pro-Russian. It will take more effort to get oblasts west of these to also be pro-Russian, and also productive enough to not drag everything down too much. Unlike the US, which has a stated premise of not being into nation building, it seems that the Russians will devote effort and rubles into each new territory.
This will cost considerable up front costs, so going slow is a must. Russia will presumably retake Kherson when it has the resources to feed the people there and rebuild some useful industries.

Posted by: Woke American | Jan 18 2023 18:35 utc | 313

@Doug Hillman | Jan 18 2023 13:09 utc | 261
hahaha!

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 18:45 utc | 314

@paddy | Jan 18 2023 13:48 utc | 268
Someday you realize that the personnel, maintenance and storage costs involved means that despite the sunk acquisition cost what you actually have is a liability rather than an asset. So you send it to Elensky to dispose of it and buy the newest, most expensive toys ever, from the same scam artists who sold you the last junk at hyperinflated prices – at least for as long as they remember to kick-back a little of the cost to everyone involved in the acquisition process, particularly the politicians.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 18:50 utc | 315

@james | Jan 18 2023 18:33 utc | 312
My pleasure.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 18:53 utc | 316

@Paul Greenwood | Jan 18 2023 11:49 utc | 249
Also they have no software expertise, forcing them to rely on external services to create the user interfaces for their vehicles – which are crap. Also their electrification program is moribund, which is why Tesla is now outselling them in Germany, and why I do not see how they can recover, even with more extensive government support.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 19:01 utc | 317

@Brother Ma | Jan 18 2023 9:32 utc | 238
As Pandora said, “I’m no longer a virgin, but I still have the box it came in!” 😉

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 19:03 utc | 318

@hermit 315
usa mic is all about $$.
the new weapons are so unreliable they do operate well enough to be properly tested.
usa has been plundered, by its pentagon.

Posted by: paddy | Jan 18 2023 19:07 utc | 319

There have been major system acquisition fiascos in all three US military services, with the F-35 acquisition, the most expensive ever, leading the pack. Someone pointed out recently that the US stands alone in its subservience to major corporations, rather than employing government facilities in major programs. (exception – tanks) Lockheed-Martin gets away with controlling all the F-35 messaging, which even negative GAO reports have failed to change. But even the GAO has failed to complain about the bogus F-35 ridiculously low unit price (same as F-16!) which has never been audited.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 18 2023 19:59 utc | 320

There have been major system acquisition fiascos in all three US military services, with the F-35 acquisition, the most expensive ever, leading the pack. Someone pointed out recently that the US stands alone in its subservience to major corporations, rather than employing government facilities in major programs. (exception – tanks) Lockheed-Martin gets away with controlling all the F-35 messaging, which even negative GAO reports have failed to change. But even the GAO has failed to complain about the bogus F-35 ridiculously low unit price (same as F-16!) which has never been audited.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 18 2023 19:59 utc | 321

@paddy | Jan 18 2023 19:07 utc | 319
I suspect 5hqt you meant to say, “the new weapons are so unreliable they do NOT operate well enough to be properly tested.”
In which case we agree completely.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 20:26 utc | 322

GoFast | Jan 18 2023 0:46 utc | 127

I know I’m late to the party, but it seems wild to me . . . no reason to think the Ukranian won’t literally fight to the last man, plus many of their women. . . the well of allied bodies will be more or less bottomless than the Russian one? Nobody knows that.

No mate, you’re not late, your just slow. So blow !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Jan 18 2023 20:31 utc | 323

Aaargghh ! Horrendous erreur ! Mierda ! Scheisse ! Coprolite ! дерьмо ! Merde ! Gówno etc.
your should be you’re !
Ah, the shame, the shame . . .
P.S. Love Yandex Translate !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Jan 18 2023 20:38 utc | 324

@Down South | Jan 18 2023 8:44 utc | 227
300,000 shells sounds like a lot until you realize that it is just 1000 shells a day for less than 10 months. Russia was firing 12 to 60 times that number per day until they ran out of targets. At it’s current acquisition rate, the USA will take 25 months to replenish that store. At current non-war economy production rates, Russia could do so in fewer weeks than that.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 20:44 utc | 325

@Paul Greenwood | Jan 18 2023 18:10 utc | 308
The нефтепровод «Дружба» (Druzhba pipeline aka the Friendship Pipeline and the Comecon Pipeline built by the USSR in the early 1960s, passes through Ukraine. While Russia is not currently pumping oil through this, some NATO states are reverse pumping fuel to Ukraine through the same line. This remains vulnerable to Russian shutdown,ost likely by destroying pumping stations and valve assemblies. Presumably this will happen if and when Russia launches a major attack.
From the terminals, diesel was transported in trains until they were no longer available, and now in motor tankers which already is major logistical bottle neck.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 21:01 utc | 326

BBC mentions the other person destined for the meeting, but why that direction. Anything to do with
the northern Belarrus/Russia border and what’s brewing there?
Posted by: C | Jan 18 2023 15:21 utc | 288
The helicopter went down over an EASTERN suburb of Kiev, Brovary, the name means “breweries”. What is brewing in Brovary? In any case, a wrong direction to inspect border with Belarus (which means White Rus, not Whiter Rus)

Posted by: Piort Berman | Jan 18 2023 21:54 utc | 327

By withdrawing from Kherson, Russia very likely made destruction of the dam less compelling, preserving it and downstream assets for when they reacquire these regions.
Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 17:56 utc | 306
The main importance of the dam for Russia is irrigation water for the adjacent region AND Crimea. Without it, Crimea could have difficulties with municipal water too, there was rationing before.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 18 2023 21:57 utc | 328

Piotr Berman | Jan 18 2023 21:57 utc | 328
I should have mentioned that too. Thank-you very much for raising the omission!

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 22:32 utc | 329

Hermit | Jan 18 2023 17:56 utc | 306
Another thing is what Macgregor was talking about at that time. A US, Polish, Romanian force attacking. Due to the referendum, Right bank Kherson is now part of the Russian federation which will be taken back in the course of time.
With the US beltway, Russia is dealing with a nuclear armed suicide bomber. Suicide bombers have their own red lines even if they are crazy. I believe Ukraine was divyed up in the talks that finished up just prior to Russia pulling out of the right bank. Talk of nukes in our propaganda media and from US officials began to fade away at that time.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 18 2023 22:50 utc | 330

@Peter AU1 | Jan 18 2023 22:50 utc | 330
While a valid conjecture, I do think that the evidence, “Talk of nukes in our propaganda media and from US officials began to fade away at that time” is too weak and distant to validate the theory. There are many other reasons why such “talk” might have “faded away”, even if it did (and I’m not sure how that would be measured).
Even more compelling, agreeing to comply with a suicidal bully’s demands will only lead to further demands. Russia knows that. This I think, is a major reason why they are not communicating (officially anyway) with the West.
Until the evidence becomes compelling and proximal I think that the other reasons, shortening the line, simplifying logistics, protecting lives, preventing flooding and defending the dam are more than sufficient to have made the retreat prudent.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 23:40 utc | 331

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 18 2023 18:10 utc | 308
Diesel is transported via the “Grain sea corridors”. There was much talk and transponder evidence of tanker ships -supposedly involved in transporting emergency grain – moving to Romania and Bulgaria and other places. I remember some port called Yuzhny? being mentioned.
Hardly any ships are being monitored for what they are actually carrying. They are meant to be checked jointly by Turkey ,Ukraine and Russia but in practise it devolves to Turkey and if you read between the lines of reports, Russia knows Turkey looks the other way, but Russia is either unwilling or unable to do anything about it at this stage.
All the above is the “illegal “ case. Who knows if Russian and Ukro oligarchs ,of value to Putin , are STILL selling diesel to the enemy, and the Kremlin knows about it ,and maybe doesn’t care for whatever reason?

Posted by: Brother Ma | Jan 19 2023 2:32 utc | 332

It looks like Biden will never climb down from his tree and admit that he made a major strategic blunder. And the ruling class and his handlers are in denial and also find it hard to climb down. A high level of denial based on ineptness, the inability to understand the capabilities of what Russia has been preparing itself for — all this strategic US/West blunder only to please the ruling class — only to please imperialism’s desire to stay number one, not able to see that the number one status was lost already. The US could have been astute and say the world has more than one big power and try to be rational about trade and cooperation and building a better world. But the leadership is not there.

Posted by: Crossroads | Jan 19 2023 5:21 utc | 333

It looks like Biden will never climb down from his tree and admit that he made a major strategic blunder.
You are kidding !!! What is it in Biden’s 50 year history in Washington makes you think he is anything other than a Warmonger and Russophobe ? Why would you think a man at 80 is able to unlearn decades of self-righteous antipathy towards anyone not bribing him ?
US is defined by its need for enemies. US and Israel are a fusion of Colonialism and Subjugation of anything and anyone in their path.
Brother Ma, thanks for that insight. Of course it makes sense. Then again tankers do burn well when mines are attracted…….

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 19 2023 7:09 utc | 334

Aristodemos @301
Your question concerning the wheelchair-bound gentleman was addressed to old hippie, but the name you’re looking for is the late Sherman Skolnick.

Posted by: Donnie | Jan 19 2023 11:19 utc | 335

The calvary riding over the hill. Calvary is a hill, in Jerusalem, I don’t see it riding over another hill in Ukraine any time soon.

Posted by: John McGrew | Jan 19 2023 11:31 utc | 336

US may assist Ukrainian strikes on Crimea – NYT
The US government is weighing whether to supply Ukraine with the capability to attack the strategically important Crimean Peninsula, according to the New York Times. The discussions highlight a gradual shift among US officials toward more brazen support for Kiev, even as Washington insists it does not seek confrontation with Moscow.
Following months of hesitation, the White House is now warming up to the idea that Ukraine may “need the power” for strikes deep inside Russian territory, namely its military stronghold in Crimea, the Times reported on Wednesday, citing several unnamed US officials.
Alongside troop transports provided by France and Germany, the military vehicles “could be the vanguard of an armored force that Ukraine could employ in a counteroffensive this winter or spring,” unnamed “government and independent analysts” told the Times.
However, even as the White House considers supporting attacks on Russian soil, President Joe Biden continues to refuse Ukrainian requests for longer-range missiles and heavy battle tanks that could be used in a future offensive. He has previously warned that such aid could provoke direct hostilities with Moscow and even kick off a nuclear war, though such concerns appear to be slowly waning as the conflict drags on.
“The fear of escalation has changed since the beginning,” an unnamed US defense source told a British newspaper last month, suggesting the Pentagon had “given a tacit endorsement of Ukraine’s long-range attacks on targets inside Russia.”
While State Department spokesman Ned Price insisted on Wednesday that the US is not placing any “limits” on Ukrainian strikes or “making targeting decisions” on Kiev’s behalf, the latest discussions at the White House may indicate a shift in opinion among some officials.

Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 19 2023 19:21 utc | 337

Caitlin Johnstone US May Help Ukraine Launch An Offensive On Crimea

Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 19 2023 19:23 utc | 338

“Cavalry”. “Calvary” is the hill where Christ was crucified.

Posted by: raucus | Feb 1 2023 18:34 utc | 339