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January 17, 2023
Ukraine SitRep – Media Ignorance, Counter-Artillery War, Three Lost Armies

Yves Smith asks:

What if Russia Won the Ukraine War but the Western Press Didn’t Notice?

She points to several headlines which, despite decisive Russian victories like its taking of Soledar, present the Ukraine as winning the war:

Nevertheless, Soledar has fallen and the loss of Bakhmut looks baked in, absent horrific Russian errors. The so-called Zelensky line is breaking even before Russia has put its recently-mobilized forces to work in a serious way. Regular commentators are waiting for the Russian hammer to fall, although Russia may simply grind more forcefully by pressing harder at more points along the very long line of contact. Remember one concern on the Russian side is avoiding “winning” in a way that leads to NATO panic and desperate action … not that the Collective West’s fragile emotional state can be readily managed.

With that context, you’d expect some members of the press to have worked out that things are not going very well for Ukraine and the classic cowboy movie rescue of the calvary riding over the hill (here in the form of tanks and artillery) will be too little, too late.

Instead, the media seems to be trying to integrate snippets of facts on the ground with the heroic tale of inevitable Ukraine victory.

That is certainly correct for the wide majority of the stories, which claim that Soledar and Bahkmut, are irrelevant towns, but some pieces are creeping up that differ. A few days ago the Washington Post headlined:

Bloody Bakhmut siege poses risks for Ukraine

Ukraine faces difficult choices about how much deeper its military should get drawn into a protracted fight over the besieged city of Bakhmut, as Kyiv prepares for a new counteroffensive elsewhere on the front that requires conserving weapons, ammunition and experienced fighters.

Russia has escalated its assault in the area in recent days, unleashing savage fighting that has underscored the high cost of the battle. Russian mercenaries and released convicts from the Wagner group pushed into the neighboring salt-mining town of Soledar and inched closer to Bakhmut, the capture of which has eluded them for months despite an advantage in firepower and the willingness to sacrifice troops.

The piece quotes several Ukrainian soldiers which speak of huge losses on their side. But the U.S. is still egging them on:

The senior U.S. official cautioned against completely dismissing Bakhmut or neighboring Soledar as nonstrategic places that Kyiv can simply relinquish, noting that the salt and gypsum mines give the area economic significance. Theoretically, the Russians could use the deep salt mines and tunnels to protect equipment and ammunition from Ukrainian missile strikes. Moscow has also endowed the city with import.

“To some degree, Bakhmut matters to [Ukraine] because it matters so much to the Russians,” the senior U.S. official said, noting that control of Bakhmut is not going to have a huge impact on the conflict or imperil Ukraine’s defensive or offensive options in the country’s eastern Donbas region.

The official added, “Bakhmut is not going to change the war.”

I believe the senior U.S. official to be very wrong. Soledar and Bakhmut are bleeding the Ukrainian army dry. That is of relevance. Look at the insane number of Ukrainian units deployed on that only 50 kilometer (30mi) long sector of the front.


Source: Military Land Deployment Mapbigger

I count the equivalent of some 27 brigade size formations in that area. The usual size of a brigade is some 3,000 to 4,000 men with hundreds of all kinds of vehicles. If all brigades had their full strength that force would count as 97,500 men. In a recent interview the Ukrainian military commander Zaluzhny said that his army has 200,000 men trained to fight with 500,000 more having other functions or currently being trained. The forces which are currently getting mauled in the Bakhmut area constitute 50% of Ukraine's battle ready forces.

Zaluzhny has pulled units from other fronts like the Kreminna and Svatove sector further north in Luhansk province to feed them into Bakhmut. That has minimized any chance that the Ukrainian forces in those sectors will be able to make any progress.

What nearly all reports from Ukraine seem to miss is the huge damage that Russia artillery is causing on a daily base. Ukraine has little artillery left to respond to that and whatever it still has is getting less by the day.

A few weeks ago the Russian military started a systematic counter artillery campaign which has since made great progress. The typical western way of detecting enemy artillery units is by radar. The flight path of the projectile is measured and the coordinates of its source are calculated enabling ones own artillery to respond. But counter-artillery radar itself depends on radiating. It is thereby easily detectable and vulnerable to fire. Over the last months Russia deployed a very different counter-artillery detection systems with the rather ironic name of Penicillin:

Penicillin or 1B75 Penicillin is an acoustic-thermal artillery-reconnaissance system developed by Ruselectronics for the Russian Armed Forces. The system aims to detect and locate enemy artillery, mortars, MLRs, anti-aircraft or tactical-missile firing positions with seismic and acoustic sensors, without emitting any radio waves. It locates enemy fire within 5 seconds at a range of 25 km (16 mi; 13 nmi). Penicillin completed state trials in December 2018 and entered combat duty in 2020.

The Penicillin is mounted on the 8×8 Kamaz-6350 chassis and consists of a 1B75 sensor suite placed on a telescopic boom for the infrared and visible spectrum as well as of several ground-installed seismic and acoustic receivers as a part of the 1B76 sensor suite. It has an effective range for communication with other military assets up to 40 kilometres (25 mi) and is capable to operate even in a fully automatic mode, without any crew. One system can reportedly cover an entire division against an enemy fire. Besides that, it co-ordinates and corrects a friendly artillery fire.


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The Penicillin system can hide in the woods and stick up its telescopic boom to look at and listen to the battlefield. As it does not radiate itself there is no good way for an enemy to detect it.

The system pinpoints Ukrainian guns as they fire. They are then eliminated by immediate precise counter-fire. As the artillery relevant part of today's 'clobber' list provided by the Russian Ministry of Defense claims:

Operational-Tactical Aviation, Missile Troops and Artillery of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have neutralised an artillery ordnance depot of 114th Territorial Defence Brigade near Veliky Burluk (Kharkov region), as well as 82 artillery units at their firing positions, manpower and hardware at 98 areas.

Counterbattery warfare operations have resulted in destruction of:

  • one Polish-manufactured Krab howitzer near Peschanoye (Kharkov region);
  • one U.S.-manufactured M109 Paladin howitzer, and one fighting vehicle equipped with Grad multiple-launch rocket system (MLRS) near Lozovaya (Kharkov region);
  • one D-20 howitzer near Terny (Donetsk People's Republic);
  • two Giatsint-B howitzers near Maryinka and Orlovka (Donetsk People's Republic);
  • two Akatsiya self-propelled howitzers near Nevskoye (Lugansk People's Republic), and Preobrazhenka (Zaporozhye region);
  • five D-30 howitzers near Zmiyevka, Novokairy (Kherson region), Sofiyevka (Donetsk People's Republic), and Orekhov (Zaporozhye region).

Four U.S.-manufactured counterbattery warfare radars have been destroyed:

  • two AN/TPQ-50 stations near Mylovoye and Dudchany (Kherson region),
  • one AN/TPQ-36 counterbattery warfare radar near Ugledar (Donetsk People's Republic),
  • one U.S.-manufactured AN/TPQ-48 counterbattery warfare radar near Senkovo (Kharkov region).

Air defence facilities have shot down six Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Kremennaya (Lugansk People's Republic), Nikolskoye, and Petrovskoye (Donetsk People's Republic).

14 rocket-propelled projectiles launched by HIMARS and Olkha MLRS have been intercepted near Udy (Kharkov region), Smolyaninovo (Lugansk People's Republic), Donetsk, and Khartsyzsk (Donetsk People's Republic).

One U.S.-manufactured anti-radiation missile has been shot down near Radensk (Kherson region).

One Ukrainian Tochka-U ballistic missile has been shot down near Berdyansk (Zaporozhye region).

The above is the equivalent of two artillery companies (batteries with six guns each) eliminated in just one day. Ukrainian counter-battery fire against Russian artillery is no longer possible as the necessary detection equipment gets eliminated and as Ukrainian counter-fire is shot down by Russian air defenses.

This Russian counter-artillery campaign has been going on for several weeks. It has disabled large parts of what was left of Ukrainian longer range capabilities. Meanwhile the Russian artillery keeps on knocking down Ukranian troops that hold the frontline. Only when all parts of the Ukrainian trenches have been hit by intense fire will the Russian infantry move in to clean up whatever is left behind.

This form of battle is causing huge losses on the Ukrainian side while the Russian forces incur just a minimum of casualties.

In his recent talks Col (ret.) Douglas Macgregor put the deaths in Ukraine forces at 150,000 and casualties at 450,000. I, like Yves Smith, doubt that number of wounded is that high. As the system of Ukrainian battlefield extradition and hospitalization is in a bad state there will be less wounded and likely more dead.

In a huge contrast to U.S. waged wars, the civilian death count on the Ukrainian side is remarkably low:

Andriy Yermak, head of the Ukrainian presidential staff, said at the World Economic Forum in the Swiss resort of Davos, “We have registered 80,000 crimes committed by Russian invaders and over 9,000 civilians have been killed, including 453 children.”

Feeding more troops into the battle in the Bakhmut sector, as the Ukrainian side has been doing, is not a good use of resources.

We can state that Ukraine has by now lost the nominal equipment of two larger armies.

At the beginning of the war the Ukrainian army was said to have some 2,500 tanks, 12,500 armored vehicles and 3,500 large artillery systems. It is doubtful that more than half of those were in a usable state but they may have received enough repair to be workable.

The Russia military claims that most of those have been eliminated:

7,549 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, 984 fighting vehicles equipped with MLRS, 3,853 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 8,081 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.

If one doubts those numbers one has to ask why the Ukraine has needed to import so many more weapons and is still short of them:

  • 410 Soviet-era tanks delivered by NATO members in former communist bloc, including Poland, Czech Republic and Slovenia.
  • 300 [Armored/Infantry Fighting Vehicles], including 250 Soviet-designed IFVs from former communist states.
  • 1,100 [Armored Personnel Carriers], including 300 M113 troop carriers and 250 M117s.
  • 300 towed howitzers. 400+ pieces of self-propelled artillery, of which 180 is on order.
  • 95 [Multiple Rocket Launchers]

There were also a number of fighter airplanes, helicopter and air-defense systems. The above was the second army, after Ukraine's original one was mostly gone, that has by now been nearly eliminated.

The Russian clobber list now regularly reports of combat with Ukraine forces that kills, for example, one tank, three armored vehicles and a number of pick-ups and motor vehicles:

One Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance group has been eliminated near Liman Pervy (Kharkov region). The enemy has lost over 50 Ukrainian personnel, one tank, two infantry fighting vehicles, and two pickups.

[In Donetsk direction] over 60 Ukrainian personnel, one tank, three armoured fighting vehicles, and six motor vehicles have been eliminated.

Two AFU sabotage and reconnaissance groups have been eliminated in the area to the north of Levadnoye and Vladimirovka (Donetsk People's Republic). The enemy has lost up to 40 Ukrainian personnel, two armoured fighting vehicles, and three motor vehicles.

Pick-ups and unarmored motor vehicles should avoid the frontline and certainly not be part of force attacking the immediate frontline. If these reports reflect the current structure of Ukrainian forces, as I believe they do, than its state is indeed dire.

In his Economist interview General Zeluzhny has requested a third army to be delivered to him immediately:

“I know that I can beat this enemy,” he says. “But I need resources. I need 300 tanks, 600-700 IFVs [infantry fighting vehicles], 500 Howitzers.”

As the Economist writer dryly noted:

The incremental arsenal he is seeking is bigger than the total armoured forces of most European armies.

The stocks of two complete armies have by now been destroyed in Ukraine. The resources for a smaller third one will be delivered in the next rounds of 'western' equipment deliveries during the next months. Russia will dully destroy Ukraine's third army just as it has destroyed the first and second one. It is doubtful that the 'West' has enough material left to provide Ukraine with a fourth one.

That then leaves only two options. Send in 'western' armies with the equipment they still have or declare victory and go home.

The neo-conservatives as ever favor the first option. President Joe Biden may still be against sending U.S. soldiers but this could change if he indeed gets blackmailed into doing it:

[A]s the ‘classified documents’ scandal gains momentum, the malleable president will likely fall-in-line and do whatever the hawkish foreign policy establishment demands of him. In short, the documents flap is being used by behind-the-scenes powerbrokers who are blackmailing the president to pursue their own narrow interests. They have Brandon over-a-barrel.

There is no evidence that this is happening but the signs are there.

The second option is to declare a non-existent victory and to forget about the whole issues.

But will the 'western' media, as Yves asks, notice any of this?

As commentator David correctly remarks at Yves' site:

I’ve said for a long time now that the West will be able to claim “victory”, or at least not defeat, by establishing fantastical victory conditions that the Russians never had and never wanted, and then claiming credit for frustrating them. With luck, this will just about enable western elites to hang onto power, at least temporarily.

"Putin tried to conquer Europe but we stopped him after he took only half of Ukraine," will sound like victory. But it is of course extremely far from the truth. Anyway, the media may well buy it:

But in the wider sense, we’re seeing the latest and most degenerate stage of the stupidity and ignorance which has afflicted the western media and pundit class over the last year. They didn’t know about the war in the Donbas, nobody told them Russia had the strongest army in Europe, nobody knew about the defensive lines in Donbas, nobody understood the seriousness of the Russian threats, nobody realised the Russians hoped for a short, sharp war to bring the Ukrainians to their senses, nobody understood why Russia went over to Plan B while it mobilised, nobody realised the Russians had been stockpiling weapons and ammunition for years; nobody knew what attrition warfare was …. In other words, the most disgraceful example of ignorance and stupidity of any ruling class in modern times. It will go on to the end, and “victory” will be proclaimed.

The war the U.S. provoked in Ukraine has been won by Russia even when no one wants to note it.

Comments

Great article. As early as the Russian retreat from Kharkiv, I think it was Colonel MacGregor who warned that the Armed Forces of Ukraine was being drawn into a fire trap. Of course, the West doesn’t listen to him.

Posted by: paperlesstiger | Jan 18 2023 5:32 utc | 201

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 18 2023 4:35 utc | 191
Arestovych flailed buttocks? Sadly it would be fun for him ; given his sexual proclivities.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 18 2023 4:33 utc | 190
Moving to Russia? Metoo. Or some place similar , given most of Europe is both polluted with or enslaved by Murican ideas or garrisons respectively.
Posted by: watcher | Jan 18 2023 3:38 utc | 169
Kindly keep your insults to yourself as follow B’s rules. I could insult you as well but choose not to. Learn from that.
YOU have chosen to think of the cabal as a class issue , rather than as an ethnic issue. You know what? It could be both , and in fact there is much evidence that it is so .
Also ,quit your whining and assumptions on why I chose to comment. I made no mention of antiJewishness in my post. I only discussed surnames and ancestry. So get off your high horse.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Jan 18 2023 5:43 utc | 202

It’s obvious Australia was a last minute addition to the nine-nation (now 10) training faculty….
Why?
Pronouns. Aussies just insisted on saying “ewe”.
Here’s UK Minister for Defence People, Andrew Murrison, ramming home how only woolly gendery words are accepted.
https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1615393599323095040
And here we go: A “tank coalition”; a “collating of the willing” …. Send the tanks, and include the “trainers” as bonus:
Ukraine needs Leopard 2, Challenger, M1 Abrams tanks. For an effective counter-offensive…
Some European states are not only ready to transfer equipment & discuss logistics, but also suggest​​creating a “European tank coalition” for Ukraine. The idea will definitely be implemented …

https://twitter.com/Podolyak_M/status/1615371331541012480
Found this website.
Some here may trawl through it for anything of value?
Global Fire Power: 2023 Russia Military Strength
https://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.php?country_id=russia
The GFP index denotes Russia as a Top 5 world power.
For 2023, Russia is ranked 2 of 145 out of the countries considered for the annual GFP review. The nation holds a PwrIndx* score of 0.0714 (a score of 0.0000 is considered ‘perfect’). This entry last reviewed on 01/05/2023.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 18 2023 5:46 utc | 203

latest audit. US MIC is so large, they could only account 39% of US Military assets.
not sure if thats better or worse than the last few audits. some serious dissapearing from a 3.5 trillion asset pool .

Posted by: hankster | Jan 18 2023 5:49 utc | 204

Saudi’s announce that they will “consider” trading oil in non-US currencies.
Saudi Arabia Is Open To Discuss Non-Dollar Oil Trade Settlements
Posted by: Just Observing | Jan 17 2023 21:03 utc | 54

Most significant news of the day; de-dollarization continues to accelerate

Posted by: Exile | Jan 18 2023 5:51 utc | 205

thanks for the update on lira..
@ watcher | Jan 18 2023 3:38 utc | 169
you can forget that happening, lol..

Posted by: james | Jan 18 2023 6:08 utc | 206

@PeterAu (can’t for your post…🤷:)
Iran and Russia want to issue new stablecoin backed by gold
The potential stablecoin aims to enable cross-border transactions instead of fiat currencies like the U.S. dollar, the Russian ruble or the Iranian rial.
Jan 16, 2023
>…According to the Russian news agency Vedomosti, Iran is working with Russia to create a “token of the Persian Gulf region” that would serve as a payment method in foreign trade.
The token is projected to be issued in the form of a stablecoin backed by gold, according to Alexander Brazhnikov, executive director of the Russian Association of Crypto Industry and Blockchain.
>…The report notes that the potential cryptocurrency would operate in a special economic zone in Astrakhan, where Russia started to accept Iranian cargo shipments.
https://cointelegraph.com/news/iran-and-russia-want-to-issue-new-stablecoin-backed-by-gold

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 18 2023 6:17 utc | 207

Extracts from the Bloomberg text.
Saudi Arabia Open to Talks on Trade in Non-US Dollar Currencies – Bloomberg
January 17, 2023,
https://archive.md/8er3Z
>>…Saudi Arabia is open to discussions about trade in currencies other than the US dollar, according to the kingdom’s finance minister.
“There are no issues with discussing how we settle our trade arrangements, whether it is in the US dollar, whether it is the euro, whether it is the Saudi riyal,” Mohammed Al-Jadaan told Bloomberg TV on Tuesday in an interview in Davos.
“I don’t think we are waving away or ruling out any discussion that will help improve the trade around the world,” Al-Jadaan said.
>>…During President Xi Jinping’s visit to Riyadh last year, the two countries agreed to boost coordination on energy policy and exploration. During that trip Xi said that China would make efforts to buy more oil from the Middle East and also wanted to settle that trade in the yuan.
>>…Saudi Arabia is also working with multilateral institutions to provide support to Pakistan, Turkey and Egypt, as part of the kingdom’s largesse to nations it deems “vulnerable,” Al-Jadaan said.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 18 2023 6:23 utc | 208

The Ukrainian military openly spoke on the radio about the positions of Polish mercenaries in Soledar, which allowed us to conduct precise artillery strikes,🇷🇺 DPR head Pushilin’s adviser Gagin told RIA Novosti.
Poland is putting pressure on Germany to transfer tanks to Ukraine, this gives us great amusement.In the context of real relations between Ukrainians and Poles on the battlefield, even in the same Soledar, part of the serious losses inflicted by us(Russians) on the Polish contingent occurred thanks to the Armed forces of Ukraine (AFU ) ,who absolutely did not hesitate to discuss on the radio the directions of work of their foreign colleagues.
As someone who has heard all this, I can responsibly state that Ukrainians don’t like Poles — they are framed in the most dangerous sectors of the front. They (ukros) treat them as an unpleasant travelling companion. they have different goals, Ukraine wants some kind of independence. Poland wants to take a bite out of western Ukraine. No one has forgotten about the Volyn massacre, the long-term experience of mutual genocide.  And all this resembles schizophrenia

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/29429

Posted by: Down South | Jan 18 2023 6:52 utc | 209

Ukraine is on the verge of religious conflict — Russian Envoy to UN
Due to Kiev’s persecution of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, Ukraine has found itself on the verge of a religious conflict of unprecedented scope, Russian Permanent Representative to the United Nations Vasily Nebenzya said.
“The war on canonical Orthodox Christianity is another track of Kiev’s repressive policies. Ukraine stands on the brink of a large-scale inter-confessional conflict, which has not had any precedents in modern European history,” he told Tuesday’s session of the UN Security Council, which was initiated by Russia to discuss human rights in Ukraine.
“Supported by their Western sponsors, Ukrainian authorities have long adopted a course that seeks to undermine the Canonical Orthodox Church of Ukraine. As we heard from Metropolitan Anthony, now the schismatic church of Ukraine, which was artificially created in 2018 and made fully obedient to the authorities, is being forcibly imposed on the Ukrainian people,” the Russian diplomat continued.
“Ukraine is only one step away from a fratricidal internal religious catastrophe,” Nebenzya emphasized.
The UOC is a self-governing church with broad autonomy within the Moscow Patriarchate. The special status of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church is reflected in the Charter of the Russian Orthodox Church, which the Council of Bishops adopted in 2000. However, the Council of the UOC on May 27 of last year announced the adoption of amendments to the UOC Charter, declaring its complete independence. At the same time, the Ukrainian authorities recently stepped up a campaign against the UOC. Since November 2022, the Ukrainian security service SBU has been conducting searches in its churches and dioceses throughout the country. Several hierarchs were charged with treason and subversive activities.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/29433

Posted by: Down South | Jan 18 2023 6:54 utc | 210

🇪🇸🇷🇺🇪🇺Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez – about Putin’s “hidden allies in Europe”: The Russian autocrat is not alone in his reactionary desire to split the world and turn back time. He has many allies in Europe who are now hiding their sympathies for Putin, but just a year ago they came to him and praised his methods.
The international community must fight the rotten seeds that Putin has sown in our countries. They need to be fought with the same determination with which Ukrainians are fighting the Russian invaders, albeit with different weapons. Our weapons will be democracy, transparency and effective politics.
They are now hiding their sympathy and ties to Putin, but who just a year ago visited him and praised his methods?” “We must prevent these political forces from infiltrating the institutions and destroying the EU from within.”
He made this non-economic statement at the World Economic Forum in Davos

https://t.me/azmilitary11/33933

Posted by: Down South | Jan 18 2023 6:57 utc | 211

🇿🇦🇷🇺🇨🇳🇮🇳🇧🇷❌💵 BRICS intends to replace payments in dollars — South African Foreign Ministry
BRICS intends to replace payments in dollars — South African Foreign Ministry
“We have always been concerned about the dominance of the dollar, and we need to look for an alternative to this, this is one of the reasons why we created the New BRICS Development Bank. The systems currently in place tend to favor very rich countries, which is a problem for countries like us that have to make payments in dollars, which are much more expensive in terms of our currencies.
In this regard, I really think that it is necessary to develop a fairer system, and this is what we are discussing with the BRICS ministers in the economic sphere,” South Africa Foreign Minister Pandora said.

https://t.me/azmilitary11/33944

Posted by: Down South | Jan 18 2023 6:59 utc | 212

Remember….. Russia is running out of ammunition…

NEW: With Ukraine in dire need of artillery shells to fight Russia, the Pentagon sends rounds from a little-known U.S. stockpile in Israel to help fill the gap

https://twitter.com/EricSchmittNYT/status/1615553297066123265
Pentagon Sends U.S. Arms Stored in Israel to Ukraine
Israeli officials had initially expressed concerns that the move could damage its relations with Russia.
Jan. 17, 2023
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/17/us/politics/ukraine-israel-weapons.html
Arming the Ukrainian military with sufficient artillery ammunition is part of a larger American-led effort to increase its overall combat power.
WASHINGTON — The Pentagon is tapping into a vast but little-known stockpile of American ammunition in Israel to help meet Ukraine’s dire need for artillery shells in the war with Russia, American and Israeli officials say.
The stockpile provides arms and ammunition for the Pentagon to use in Middle East conflicts.
The United States has also allowed Israel to access the supplies in emergencies.
The Ukraine conflict has become an artillery-driven war of attrition, with each side lobbing thousands of shells every day.
Ukraine has run low on munitions for its Soviet-era weaponry and has largely shifted to firing artillery and rounds donated by the United States and other Western allies.
Artillery constitutes the backbone of ground combat firepower for both Ukraine and Russia, and the war’s outcome may hinge on which side runs out of ammunition first, military analysts say.
With stockpiles in the United States strained and American arms makers not yet able to keep up with the pace of Ukraine’s battlefield operations, the Pentagon has turned to two alternative supplies of shells to bridge the gap: one in South Korea and the one in Israel, whose use in the Ukraine war has not been previously reported.
The shipment of hundreds of thousands of artillery shells from the two stockpiles to help sustain Ukraine’s war effort is a story about the limits of America’s industrial base and the diplomatic sensitivities of two vital U.S. allies that have publicly committed not to send lethal military aid to Ukraine…….

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 18 2023 7:05 utc | 213

Not a boo out of the media about the US “Mozart” mercenary band in Bakhmut /Soledar? They evaporated in the abnormally-mild Winter temps? Destroyed by Russia and the Allies,skeddaddled out of there with their tail between their legs or taken prisoner in mass surrenders?

Posted by: Brother Ma | Jan 18 2023 7:15 utc | 214

@TG | Jan 17 2023 23:44 utc | 111
There is an enormous difference between sound transmission in air, which conveys sound slowly, with rapid attenuation and high levels of distortion; where transmission characteristics change rapidly, due to changes in humidity and temperature and where sound experiences many dynamic path changes due to moving reflection and refraction sources; and sound transmission in soil, which possesses great medium term stability, and where sound travels very fast with minimal distortion. When seismic analysis is properly implemented, you can distinguish between animals walking at moderate distances. Different models of vehicles, and vehicle loads can be identified through specific resonances. How much easier to identify launch and firing signatures, particularly for larger systems which also have unique signatures, from set-up and break+down through firing, allowing relatively easy discrimination between types of system, while multispectral passive imaging, using everything from long wave radio through light frequencies, confirms the identification and location preventing spoofing. Use of smart battlefield analysis and communication systems, which communicate between units and which filter, categorize and prioritize targets and selects ideal responses based on probable zone size for effective neutralization allowing automated or manual responses at all unit types and levels, ensures that any significant hostile activity by mortar, artillery or rocket systems within range of Russian counterforce has effectively been converted into a aingle-shot system.
Meanwhile, back in the USA, they can’t even write an accounting or stock system for the military that works, let alone battle management systems, and even getting a single aircraft management system to run reliably is completely beyond companies run by accountants (which is why SpaceX is eating Boeing’s lunch in space). Having destroyed their own education system and made the MBA and lawyer the pinnacle of employment, the USA is structurally incapable of responding to any of this at any rffective time-scale (ie, by the time the US responds to existing systems, the rest of the world will have moved on. Which is how China managed to build over 40,000 miles of high speed rail in a decade at moderate cost, having begun with none, while the US managed to build 0 miles at a cost of tens-of-billions and still imagining 100 mph is quick and dozens of deaths acceptable still has none. This is also why Russia and China can field thousands of modern airframes and tanks, and tens of thousands of hypersonic missiles of multiple families, for a tiny fraction of their overall budget while the US remains limited to nineties technology spending billions per system, millions per device and a major fraction of the budget, collapsing their own economy trying, and failing, to develop new systems.
The asymmetry in ability is overwhelming and increasing, while the economic disparity is what has already brought the US to the edge of collapse where it can no longer afford such extravagances. At this point, it persists as a threat to human existence, but is incapable of dominating or even contributing to society.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 7:16 utc | 215

Melaleuca | Jan 18 2023 6:17 utc | 206
Its all happening. Massive strategic gains for the multi-polar world on the geo-political front.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 18 2023 7:17 utc | 216

@Melaleuca | Jan 18 2023 4:38 utc | 193
That would probably have raised a smile from Swift! It certainly raises one from me.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 7:21 utc | 217

@Down South | Jan 18 2023 4:22 utc | 185
Well said, but They might be Giants said it first.
https://youtu.be/vvCGZEqk8Ak

The Communists Have the Music
{Verse 1}
I got handed an Ayn Rand sandwich
Straight from the can, it tasted so bland
I asked a lass to pass me a glass
Of Engels’ Conditions of the Working Class
Right away they dragged me to the committee
To explain my un-American activity
They’re gonna see they made a mistake
If they’d only let me play my mixtape
{Chorus}
I’m not partial to the martial
Or the plutocrats, in their beaver hats
And the fascists have the outfits
But I don’t care for the outfits

What I care about is music
And the communists have the music
{Bridge}
I hear a melody
And just as suddenly
I know who I’m supposed to be
{Verse 2}
I don’t need a rationale
To sing “The Internationale”
I only need to plug in the headphone jack
So I can listen to my backing track
{Chorus}
I’m not jealous of the zealous
Or anarchics with guitar picks
And the fascists have their outfits
But I don’t care for the outfits
What I care about is music
And the communists have the music
Yes, the communists have the music
Oh, the communists have the music
{Bridge}
I hear a melody
And just as suddenly
I know who I’m supposed to be
{Chorus}
I’m not partial to the martial
Or the plutocrats, in their beaver hats
And the fascists have the outfits
But I don’t care for the outfits
What I care about is music
And the communists have the music
Yes, the communists have the music
Oh, the communists have the music

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 7:39 utc | 218

Deputies from all parties of Ukraine, Lena Zelenskaya, the mayor of Kiev and even the Nazi “Tyra” rushed to Davos paid for with budget money. The cost of participation of one person exceeds 100 thousand hryvnias per day (this is according to the most conservative estimates).
Given the love of Ukrainians to “walk on a grand scale” and take dozens of servants with them, it is not difficult to guess how much budget money was spent on this event.
And let the relatives continue to collect on socks for the AFU fighters rotting in the trenches near Artemivsk.

https://t.me/CyberspecNews/16508
All of them taking marching orders from Davos, which is where the real enemies are.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 18 2023 7:52 utc | 219

@karlof1 | Jan 18 2023 4:23 utc | 186
In the unlikely event that there are any humans left in a decade they will not be working.
See my On the End of Employment. While the document is UScentric, China already has a larger population of robots then any other country.
From the above:

We see these job losses as a positive rather than a negative development, at least if we can prevent old-school Zero Sum thinking resulting in the oligarchs being encouraged to launch wars of depopulation, as is currently the planned response to recognition that we have experienced resource based limits to growth (and there are frightening indications that some of these may be approaching see para 4 op. cit.) . As stated in a precursor to that document:
For answers, we recommend Marx’s Grundrisse (available free on-line atMarxist Library and much more readable than his more formal economic works) paying particular attention to “The fragment on machines” which makes some interesting predictions, including that “The transformation of the means of labour into machinery, and of living labour into a mere living accessory of this machinery, as the means of its action, also posits the absorption of the labour process in its material character as a mere moment of the realization process of capital. The increase of the productive force of labour and the greatest possible negation of necessary labour is the necessary tendency of capital, as we have seen. The transformation of the means of labour into machinery is the realization of this tendency. In machinery, objectified labour materially confronts living labour as a ruling power and as an active subsumption of the latter under itself, not only by appropriating it, but in the real production process itself; the relation of capital as value which appropriates value-creating activity is, in fixed capital existing as machinery, posited at the same time as the relation of the use value of capital to the use value of labour capacity; further, the value objectified in machinery appears as a presupposition against which the value-creating power of the individual labour capacity is an infinitesimal, vanishing magnitude; the production in enormous mass quantities which is posited with machinery destroys every connection of the product with the direct need of the producer, and hence with direct use value; it is already posited in the form of the product’s production and in the relations in which it is produced that it is produced only as a conveyor of value, and its use value only as condition to that end.” [Ch. 9 pp. 690-712]
In “The German ideology” (also available free on-line at Marxist Library), Marx concludes “…in communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic. This fixation of social activity, this consolidation of what we ourselves produce into an objective power above us, growing out of our control, thwarting our expectations, bringing to naught our calculations, is one of the chief factors in historical development up till now.” [Vol. 1, Ch. 1, Sec. A]
These predictions are supported and extended by John Maynard Keynes, who suggested that by 2028, “For the first time since his creation man will be faced with his real, his permanent problem – how to use his freedom from pressing economic cares, how to occupy the leisure, which science and compound interest will have won for him, to live wisely and agreeably and well.” [John Maynard Keynes, “Economic Possibilities for our Grandchildren”, Essays in Persuasion, New York: W. W. Norton & Co., 1963, pp. 358-373. Accessible on the Internet at Marxist Library]
As well as by Buckminster Fuller who said, “We should do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian Darwinian theory he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living.” [Buckminster Fuller, “The New York Magazine Environmental Teach-In” by Elizabeth Barlow in New York Magazine, 30 March 1970, p. 30 Google Books)
Our challenge is to transition to this utopian society…

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 7:55 utc | 220

“Yves Smith” is a pseudonym, and is meant to sound like “Eve Smith”, which would be the female version of “Adam Smith”. She is doing a good job covering the Ukraine War but she does tend to force out her best commentators through overly strict moderation. I commented there for years but was blocked for using the word “feral” in a non-PC manner.

Posted by: Working Class Nero | Jan 18 2023 7:58 utc | 221

Reports of helicopter crash in Keiv,

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 18 2023 8:01 utc | 222

Thank you for the update, b.
And I agree very much with this statement of yours: “Remember one concern on the Russian side is avoiding “winning” in a way that leads to NATO panic and desperate action…” I believe the Russians are very much engaged in a balancing act to keep moving forward without triggering escalation to World War III. Some people don’t seem to recognize that hazard.
Posted by: Clever Dog | Jan 17 2023 23:07 utc | 102
That got me thinking, and wondering if Russia is seizing the opportunity that the bull headed Zelenskyy has presented. In propaganda terms, the regime in Ukraine generates less sympathy if Russia is making gains because Ukraine has been too agressive with its assaults, and too wasteful of troops, and equipment.
“Why should we strip our inventories, if Ukraine is just offering the equipment up as easy targets for Russian artillery?”
And I think there’s now an undercurrent of thought among people who support Ukraine, but maintain a shred of decency and humanity, that the war effort in Ukraine might one day be looked back upon as having been insanely wasteful of life, and that it won’t be universally remembered as having been a noble effort, should Ukraine eventually have to capitulate to Russian terms. People are concerned that they’ll sooner rather than later be faced with a “What we were thinking?” moment.
When you see yourself as a liberal Democrat, and you look around and notice that you’re on a team that had John McCain, and now has Lindsay Graham and Sean Hannity, as prominent, bloodthirsty, cheerleaders, you have cause to be concerned that you’re supporting an effort that will eventually be ridiculed as much as the one that promoted the Iraq invasion.
Notice how Colin Powell gets invited to universities and festivals so he can speak to young people, to much acclaim and fanfare? Me neither, because that most certainly isn’t a thing. You don’t see anybody talking up, and bragging about, how helpful they were on social media in getting the ball rolling on the disastrously failed take over of Iraq. Anyone with a brain and a sense of history sees the risk here.
The only thing the pro-Ukraine/We hate Putin crowd has going for them is that there’s strength in numbers, and the ecology they live in won’t turn on them should the Zelenskyy regime suffer the humiliation of Russia coming out on top. But that situation isn’t drastically different than the one of when we invaded Iraq, and, well, ask (never going to be President) Hillary Clinton how having supported the Iraq invasion looks on your resume. Ask Jeb Bush the same thing.
So people who aren’t idiots are, imo, going to start subtly altering their position regarding the war in Ukraine, and I think they’ll be heading towards wanting a narrative that has a fall guy, or several fall guys, for why Ukraine failed to defeat Russia. And they’ll also want a narrative that explains how the settlement Ukraine eventually agrees to is actually not so bad, and maybe even pretty good.
“Sure they sacrificed some territory, but it was loaded with right wing Putin supporters! The new Ukraine is free of all their nonsense and hatred!”. Hi-ho, and so it goes.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Jan 18 2023 8:03 utc | 223

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 7:55 utc | 219
That sounds awfully a lot like WEF speak.

Posted by: alek_a | Jan 18 2023 8:05 utc | 224

@Brother Ma | Jan 18 2023 3:04 utc | 157
Fat & happy neighbors make for good neighbors.

CAESAR: Let me have men about me that are fat;
Sleek-headed men and such as sleep o’nights:
Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look;
He thinks too much: such men are dangerous.

Julius Caesar Act 1 Scene 2. Shakespeare William.
Russians have experienced sufficient famines for this understanding to be genetically programmed 🙂

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 8:16 utc | 225

Posted by: Babel-17 | Jan 18 2023 8:03 utc | 222
I hope the West in general and the US in particular will try to placate itself with bullshit about “winning the war” once the sausage grinding phase is over and Russia wins. as b says, Russia is trying to perform a balancing act.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 18 2023 8:30 utc | 226

🇺🇲🇺🇦 The Pentagon will transfer to Ukraine 300 thousand 155-mm artillery shells that were stored in American warehouses in Israel.
Washington and Tel Aviv concluded a corresponding agreement last year, The New York Times reports, citing sources.
Approximately half of this ammunition is already in Europe and is expected to go to Ukraine via Poland.

https://t.me/intelslava/43474

This is notable for two reasons:
1. This probably explains the recent Russian sales of Su-35s to Iran, at least in part, given the agreement was apparently struck last year according to the part. In effect, Russia retaliated to Israeli aid to Ukraine and in a big way, given consistent reports of possible Israeli strikes on Iran by the new government in Tel Aviv.
2. With considerable mirth, it must be noted that 300,000 shells is the entire annual production of Europe. Because of gross deficiencies in production within the EU and United States, NATO has increasingly been forced to turn to buying from the stocks of other states to support Ukraine. Israel thus joins a list of nations extending from Pakistan to South Korea.

https://t.me/intelslava/43476

Posted by: Down South | Jan 18 2023 8:44 utc | 227

@Rob | Jan 18 2023 3:58 utc | 173
They might not be shutdown (yet), but with the sole exception of Tesla all of them would need to triple their margins or better and then enjoy decades of astonishingly good sales in a failing economic system with increasing and deepening poverty to settle their existing debt – let alone finding the money to transition to electric vehicles which all automotive producers will have to do to survive.
Ford’s long term debt = US$154 billion
GM’s long term debt = US$100 billion ( + a US$14 billion unpaid bailout loan)
Stellantis long term debt = US$34 billion
If we include other automakers assembling cars in the US it gets worse. e.g.
VW’s long term debt = US$212 billion
Toyota’s long term debt = US$185 billion
BMW’s long term debt = US$127 billion
Daimler’s long term debt = US$106 billion

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 8:49 utc | 228

“If NATOstan sends in expeditionary forces, the return to WWI will be complete.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 17 2023 23:56 utc | 116”

In the WWI, Russia lost, Germany lost and America won (by entering the war after both sides were tired).
This time, Russia will win, America will lose, but Germany will also lose once more. And that will be really a great blow for the German nation to recover from.
The ultimate winner is China, the ultimate loser is America, the penultimate winner is Russia and the penultimate loser is Britain; but the decline of some other countries, not at all connected with this war, is also inevitable.

Posted by: Old Brown Fool | Jan 18 2023 8:51 utc | 229

@Likklemore | Jan 18 2023 2:08 utc | 148
I wrote the following about a decade ago, so the numbers have changed, but the principle remains the same.
“It has been estimated that all the gold mined by the end of 2011 totaled 171,300 tonnes. At a price of US$1,500 per troy ounce, reached on 12 April 2013, one tonne of gold has a value of approximately US$48.2 million. The total value of all gold ever mined would exceed US$8.2 trillion at that valuation.” [Wikipedia Gold Reserve]
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The 2014 gross world product totalled approximately US$107.5 trillion in terms of purchasing power parity (PPP), and around US$78.28 trillion in nominal terms while the value of the publicly known (BIS) derivative markets is more than ten times that (and the private trades are estimated to be about the same again). So all the gold ever mined is substantially less than .5% of the world’s annual trades and yet you seriously imagine that gold could replace fiat money?
The best tool currently to asses relative values of currencies, being used by BRICS today is to use a basket of currencies and commodities. Ultimately transition to a digital unit will allow the dynamic real time valuation of the global economy and it’s sub-units, but we are a long way off from that.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 9:01 utc | 230

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 8:16 utc | 224
Fat neighbours make good neighbours?
Yes, There will be early deaths and alcoholism for working – age men, prostitution , wife-beating and fear for the family for the women , and both will be mean and lean in Rump Ukraine, and collectively they will have deserved it. All will be both surveilled and kept -in -line by Russian drones ,like in Terminator- and puppet – regime enforcers respectively. They can be as unhappy and mean as they like , but they will be neutralised with respect to making trouble for Russia or the ROW. They will be stuck like the ratlike denizens in dystopian movie “Escape from New York “. No RoW country will take in this trash. They can starve in rumpland or go cause European cities to become ghettos if they aren’t already…

Posted by: Brother Ma | Jan 18 2023 9:06 utc | 231

about Penicillin
@ b: the link “Penicillin” in your sitrep re-direct to this very sitrep
from the following citation i think the source is wikipedia
the 3. reference at wikipedia expands the info to ” 1B75 and 1B76 ” mentioning all sensor-capabilities

The system can pinpoint the location of hostile artillery in less than five seconds without any radiofrequency emission based solely on a combination of visible and infrared imaging (1B75 sensor suite) along with acoustic and seismic signals (1B76 sensor suite).

this is also the only site which distinguishes between 1B75 and 1B76
maybe these are 2 different types of reconnaissance systems with different sensor suites
all other sources i have checked only mentioned acoustic and thermal signals
and assign these either or to 1B75 or 1B76
i think the first mentining of seismic wawes at moa is at least from
YetAnotherAnon | Dec 29 2022 21:44 utc | 120
later he gave a reference to the academic work
Dr. Franklin at Rice
then there is Hermit | Jan 3 2023 22:44 utc | 90 who mentioned

Russia has perfected the use of seismic analysis to precisely locate and automatically aim – and correct – counter battery fire.

unfortunately without a link
time frame for using Penicillin in ukraine:
https://thenewsglory.com/russian-armed-forces-used-penicillin-artillery-systems-in-ukraine/

The Russian military has successfully used Penicillin artillery reconnaissance systems in the battles in Ukraine, the installation has confirmed its effectiveness, in particular, in the fight against NATO artillery. This was reported on October 15 by the RIA Novosti agency, citing a source.

Posted by: ghiwen | Jan 18 2023 9:13 utc | 232

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 9:01 utc | 229
Well yes it could, couldn’t it? If we remove BIS trades and private trades( which I presume are financialisation over and above futures and swaps associated with physical delivery of commodities and real industry /farming)? Doesn’t that equal around five per ent as you said
? Not an expert, and just thinking out loud. So am amenable to being corrected by you or others.
I believe Tobin taxes have been in order for decades now , but who would enforce ,much less suggest them ,as it is the ruling class who benefit most from financialisation?
Certainly, a basket of goods sounds good to me in any case.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Jan 18 2023 9:14 utc | 233

Even Iraq had no trouble shooting down A10s with half century old MANPADs, and the SU30s, Mirages and even the updated MIG 21s of the Indian Air force had no trouble flying rings around everything the US threw against them on their first joint exercises in 204 (Thompson Loren B PhD (2004-06-15). Indian Air Force Defeats U.S. Fighters in Exercise. Lexington Inst.). Which casts doubt on the relative “goodness” of older US airframes even before they were worn out by 3 decades of excessive unplanned use and ineffective maintenance.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 9:18 utc | 234

Perhaps “accidental” (or not), the Ukrainians shot down one of their own helicopters carrying several bigshots including the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and his first deputy. All nine on board are said to have been killed, along with many on the ground including two children in a kindergarden upon which the wreckage fell.
https://southfront.org/breaking-helicopter-with-leadership-of-ukrainian-ministry-of-interior-on-board-crashed-near-kindergarten-in-kiev-region/

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jan 18 2023 9:20 utc | 235

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 8:49 utc | 227
You might want to look at Double-Entry Bookkeeping.
If you consider that Debt as a Liability you need an Asset to counterbalance it.
On the other hand car companies have captive finance units like VW Bank and probably have to consolidate their accounts at group level.
How far they have securitised their car loan portfolios is a matter for each corporation. Everyone is aware that volume car production is a margin problem and slightly worse than airlines which is pure cashflow volatility.
I don’t disagree with your fundamental point however. I consider most multinationals today to be over-leveraged with margins that can quickly collapse as I am certain Apple will discover once the energy and food costs start to have an impact in coming years

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 18 2023 9:25 utc | 236

@ Brother Ma 201
Zionism at the top end has nothing whatsoevervto do with Jewishness.
Tha Khazars use the Invented claim to thevland of Palestine as a whipping boy for their own Nazi aspirations
Voltairenet on Jan 16 published
Contrary to what it claims the US massively imports Russian oil.
In this article Myessan claims that Straussian neocon Wolfowitz wants to crush the European economy as a rival to the US.
But Europe is the US ‘ closest ally.
I personally would go much further and say that secular zionism is using the US as transport towards the goal of Zionist supremacy globally. Riding Judaism as a rallying cause like a space shuttle rides on a launching rocket.
Nothing to do with Jewishness at all.
No irony intended. That’s how sick they are.
What Ukraine shows us is that the Straussian neocons will use any means at their disposal to make money and take power.
Weakening the rivals to the US is finger in the mouth politics for removing rivals to Nazi/Zionist power.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 18 2023 9:28 utc | 237

Posted by: Down South | Jan 18 2023 6:59 utc | 211
Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 8:16 utc | 224
Would you be interested in a new bundle / package of currencies associated with a lady minister named Pandora? 😉

Posted by: Brother Ma | Jan 18 2023 9:32 utc | 238

@ghiwen | Jan 18 2023 9:13 utc | 231
Penicillin at Deafal.com supplemented by private discussions readings at Jane’s Defense and Stratfor, both subscriber only, which is why I did not bother mentioning them.
Sometimes a shortage of time leads to abbreviated posts, but I am always ready to provide support and citations for and siscussions of my positions if requested.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 9:43 utc | 239

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 18 2023 9:28 utc | 236
I am in agreement with you, with almost all you mention in the post and elsewhere. Even as to the dangers of jihadism /political Islam even though you are a Moslem! How strange is that ! 🙂
I blame the US for that as well! It destroyed the secular moderate westernised Moslem leaders/lands to help the jihadist ones. Indonesia ,Syria,Iraq,Lebanon ,Libya and coopting Albania/Kosovo and FYROM to help the Gulf Arabs and Turkey. It even secretly was in league with Iran to bring down Yugoslavia. Big mistake for Shia Iran ,that one…
Well the Yanks can now reap what they have sown …and they won’t like it.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Jan 18 2023 9:46 utc | 240

@Brother Ma | Jan 18 2023 9:14 utc | 232
All economies are about a lot more than just physical goods, services, etc. Because most value today is more financial than concrete in nature.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 9:51 utc | 241

@Paul Greenwood
Agreed. I’m aware of this, but sometimes an asset can look a lot like a liability. For example VW has recently vividly demonstrated that sunk costs in legacy factories and a board of conservatives can prevent investment in new production facilities and technologies required to produce marketable products resulting in the sudden collapse of market share and the loss of not just profits, but the revenues required to sustain high debt levels.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 9:59 utc | 242

@alek_a | Jan 18 2023 8:05 utc | 223
Yes. sarcasm>The WEF is renowned for extensive quotation of Marx. (random thought, that would greatly improve the quality of discussion at the WEF).
Just because the WEF says something does not grant them ownership, nor does it make it wrong. That would be like saying,
Barbarians eat bread.
Alek_a eats bread.
Therefore alek_a is a barbarian.
For example, one of the most valuable contributions made by the WEF, aside from providing a forum for discussion, is it’s annual World”>https://www.marshmclennan.com/insights/publications/2023/january/global-risks-report.html”>World Risk Report.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 10:12 utc | 243

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 17 2023 22:47 utc | 98
Found it here
https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2023/01/about-fing-time.html

With the US Russia has to talk, because it is a Noblesse Oblige of big guys. Once neocon criminals are (and if) removed from power, the new venue for dialogue could be opened. Europe is inconsequential

I dunno about the bolded part. Wouldn’t the removal of neocons also entail a Europe that gets back what sovereignty and influence said neocons drained it of in the first place? Wouldn’t the removal of neocons from power facilitate European integration with Eurasia?
Sorry, but speaking as a US citizen who is stuck there ATM, anything that elevates the outlaw USA over Europe is not in my daily reading list. I don’t see the other Andrey (Raevsky) doing that with as much frequency, and that says something considering both live in the States.

Posted by: joey_n | Jan 18 2023 10:20 utc | 244

@karlof1 | Jan 18 2023 3:01 utc | 156
@Hermit | Jan 18 2023 9:18 utc | 233 was intended as a comment on the above.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 10:25 utc | 245

@karlof1 | Jan 18 2023 3:01 utc | 156
My reply at Hermit | Jan 18 2023 9:18 utc | 233 was an intended response to the above where I apparently over typed the reference to your post.
My Hermit | Jan 18 2023 10:25 utc | 244 was a broken attempt to say this with links that did not work and is best ignored.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 10:30 utc | 246

Reuters is reporting that 15 people have died in a helicopter crash in Ukraine and that includes the Ukraine Interior Minister

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 18 2023 11:36 utc | 247

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 18 2023 11:36 utc | 246
Z must be cleaning house

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 18 2023 11:45 utc | 248

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 18 2023 9:59 utc | 241
Specifically VW. Its problem is over-manning – vastly bloated and too many models and too many factories. The only part of VW that matches Toyota productivity is Skoda in Czechia.
VW makes basic cars and sells them expensively. It is nothing special and even its Audi badge is quite ordinary. Without German fleet sales of Passats etc they would be toast. As it is the company is dependent on China to survive……..and Baerbock/Habeck are determined to scorched-earth Germany’s relations with China as they have with Russia

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 18 2023 11:49 utc | 249

Phsychohistorian @ 246
Thanks for that confirmation. I asked for info on it up thread yours has been the only response, so cheers hope your well.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 18 2023 11:54 utc | 250

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 18 2023 11:36 utc | 246
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 18 2023 11:45 utc | 247
“One witness to the helicopter crash states that the helicopter was on fire while still in the air, which may indicate that the vehicle was hit by a MANPADS or some other means of fire destruction.”
https://t.me/intelslava/43492

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 18 2023 11:57 utc | 251

Excellent article, b.
Posted by: unoticed | Jan 17 2023 21:15 utc | 57
Terrific analysis, unnoticed.
Neither side is pushing for quick military victory there because of course ‘Ukraine is not about Ukraine.’ And it seems the victory both sides ARE pushing for will involve a reconfigured world order. But for that to transpire the world will have to descend into much deeper disarray to the point that most of us here are having problems putting food on the table. Meanwhile, this carefully managed conflict will continue…

Posted by: Scorpion | Jan 18 2023 12:10 utc | 252

If I have read things correctly from a post on Larry Johnson’s blog 2 days ago, there is another potentially massive curve ball on the way. The post states that Janet Yellen sent a letter to USA Government saying that by 19th January 2022 the USA debt will have reached its statutory limit therefore, the Fed is going to have to take a set of serious, tough decisions and implement them as the USA, by 19th January, will no longer be able to service its external debt and will have to default.
I am wondering now what on earth the Fed can do to prevent this happening. I am not sure if I am correct but, if a country Defaults on its external debts that country, is de jure, bankrupt.

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Jan 18 2023 12:11 utc | 253

https://t.me/readovkanews/50926
One witness to the helicopter crash states that the helicopter was on fire while still in the air, which may indicate that the vehicle was hit by a MANPADS or some other means of fire.
@politjoystic writes :
It’s not a hard landing when the helicopter is still being piloted. This is exactly a fall.
Ukrainian Interior Minister Denis Monastyrsky, who died in a plane crash, was previously a member of the Verkhovna Rada from the Servant of the People party (Zelensky’s party). And he replaced Arsen Avakov at the post in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, after which Avakov lost huge financial flows and influence over the National Battalions.
Yesterday, Arestovich resigned from Zelensky. Today, Monastyrsky, the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, crashed. And he was from Zelensky’s team (a political appointment). Clearly, some political scenario has been launched in Ukraine, with bloody victims. Of course, if the helicopter with the Ukrainian Interior Ministry was shot down, Zelensky will face a serious choice: to admit that there is a split in the country’s leadership or to attribute it to the Russian Armed Forces’ DRG. Both are bad. Therefore, they will more likely write it off as a machine malfunction. Although expertise cannot be concealed from the security services and rumours will spread,
@obrazbuduschego writes :
About the helicopter in Brovary :
The helicopter of the Minister of Internal Affairs was shot down by a Stinger MANPAD. The investigation considers Arsen Avakov, who started his game before the beginning of the split in the military-political leadership of Ukraine, to be the customer. The minister who died was Zelensky’s man, and the position was obtained at the request of Yermak and a group of influential smugglers. The second version of the investigation points out the fact that Zelensky himself was involved in this, and he did this to punish the minister for switching over to the side of the American lobby led by Zaluzhny. A source in the SBU believes that this is a signal from the office of the Ukrainian president to Valery Zaluzhny personally, that there are no untouchables.
The Interior Minister himself rarely used the service helicopter, but the head of the AFU, Zaluzhny, often travelled to the rear and to the front line on a gift from the Pentagon. 

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/29460

Posted by: Down South | Jan 18 2023 12:19 utc | 254

🇺🇦🔥President of Ukraine Vladimir Zelensky called the helicopter crash in Brovary a terrible tragedy
According to him, 15 people were killed, three of them children, the exact number of victims is still being determined. Among the dead: the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Denis Monastyrsky, his first deputy Yevgeny Enin, the State Secretary of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Yuriy Lubkovich, their assistants, the crew, Zelensky said. 25 people were injured, including 10 children.

https://t.me/azmilitary11/33994

Posted by: Down South | Jan 18 2023 12:22 utc | 255

Considering Zelensky has banned all other opposition parties, they have basically a ban for anyone to leave the country (unless they have + $20k), it’s not out of the realm of possibilities that he is straight out killing dissidents. Or rather, Nato is killing the dissidents in order to squeeze out every last ukie.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 18 2023 12:26 utc | 256

his first deputy Yevgeny Enin,
He is the interesting one ! His resume makes for interesting reading and might be the reason they are all dead. Manpads are so widely available nowadays……..

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 18 2023 12:45 utc | 257

Re: List of jewish names posted by “names” @ #101.
I don’t think b needs to delete this comment.
It’s only speculation of the type most commentators make here at MoA when too few solid facts are available – including me.
It would be careless to forget that the Jewish Lobby is an important donor to/owner of the US uniparty Congress.
Oz parliament is in the same Lib/Lab pickle.
If jews hadn’t been holocausting Palestinians for 75+ years it’d be different. But they have and it’s gonna get worse according to Bibi.
So, please let them defend themselves from “names” accusations and tell us how ‘innocent’ they think they are 🙂

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 18 2023 12:57 utc | 258

a sad day for z he lost a friend an ally advisor a steady hand a dancing partner a penile piano mate duo down to one down gone to earth.
z said the village and the villager had to be destroyed by khazar so yahoo can be free.
oded yinon is a big idea death by banker never sleeps

Posted by: gordon | Jan 18 2023 13:03 utc | 259

Posted by: Rob | Jan 18 2023 0:39 utc | 124
Most likely their weaponry and vectors from the 60s haven’t been properly maintained and amount to little more than hugely expensive scrap.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jan 18 2023 13:05 utc | 260

Hermit | Jan 18 2023 8:16 utc | 224
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“Fat and happy people make good neighbors” reminds me of a billboard for a cantina in Mexico: “Fat people are harder to kidnap. Stay safe. Eat here.”

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Jan 18 2023 13:09 utc | 261

🇺🇦🚁💥🔥 The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine has published a list of those who crashed on a helicopter near Kiev
▪️ Interior Minister Denis Monastyrsky,
▪️ First Deputy Minister Yevgeny Enin,
▪️ State Secretary of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Yuri Lubkovich,
▪️ Tatiana Shutyak, Assistant to the Head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs,
▪️ Mikhail Pavlushko, Head of the Minister’s security,
▪️ Nikolay Anatsky, photographer.
▪️ 3 crew members: Alexander Vasilenko,
▪️ Konstantin Kovalenko, Ivan Kasyanov,

https://t.me/azmilitary11/34022

Posted by: Down South | Jan 18 2023 13:13 utc | 262

DPR Joker:
I will tell you all, my loyal followers, what happened today in Brovary. The Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine had long been aware that the leadership of the Ministry of Defense was trading Western arms, which came to Ukraine in the form of aid, for the benefit of third countries, and that this process was overseen directly by the head of the GUR, Budanov. By the way, this information has already surfaced somewhere. The leadership of the Interior Ministry wanted their share and began collecting data through their structural units, which are associated with intelligence and surveillance. As a result, they managed to obtain evidence and began blackmailing. The military bosses promised a share to the police leadership, and the first tranche was paid. But it was pointless and unprofitable to pay any further. In addition, the insolence of the minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, who had his head in the wrong place, was putting the military leadership under strain. And now the day had come when the kids from the GUR were able to demonstrate their skills. But that is not all. The sanction for this was given personally by Yermak, who is also in on the secret from the supreme narcissistic clown, Zelensky.

Posted by: helicopter crash | Jan 18 2023 13:22 utc | 263

Putin: Russia annually produces air defense missiles three times more than the United States, in general – the same number as all the military-industrial enterprises of the world combined

Posted by: rk | Jan 18 2023 13:23 utc | 264

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Jan 18 2023 12:11 utc | 252
naaah, they’ll just raise the debt limit again.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 18 2023 13:28 utc | 265

Les Kieviens sont piégés à Bakhmout/Artemivsk. Ils ne peuvent pas faire manoeuvrer 100.000 hommes pour se retirer sans que l’aviation Russe leur tombe méchamment dessus et massacre le matériel.
1 – vous faites monter lentement la pression dans un lieu d’intérêt stratégique
2 – les chefs Kieviens sur le terrain réclament des moyens ou menacent de se retirer
3 – L’état-major Kievien donne toujours plus de moyens petit à petit
4 – Vous laissez rentrer le moyens et vous les bombardez pour qu’ils en demandent toujours plus
5 – les Kieviens parviennent, sans s’en rendre compte, à une masse critique qui rend la retraite suicidaire et psychologiquement désastreuse
6 – Pendant ce temps, vous étoffez votre dispositif.
7 – De son coté, Joe promet de venir délivrer les ségrégationniste Kieviens qui attaquent le Donbass sur son cheval blanc avec Major et Commander
Alors, voyez-vous la suite de la bande à Zelensky ?
Moi, je la vois à Panama où ils ont leur compte en banque en train de boire des pinacolada le dos au mur pour surveiller leurs arrières comme Pablo Escobar.

Posted by: Christophe Nicolas | Jan 18 2023 13:29 utc | 266

Eurocopter EC225 Super Puma
The Airbus Helicopters H225 is a long-range passenger transport helicopter developed by Eurocopter as the next generation of the civilian Super Puma family.
It is a twin-engined aircraft and can carry up to 24 passengers along with two crew and a cabin attendant, dependent on customer configuration.
The helicopter is marketed for offshore support and VIP passenger transport duties, as well as public service missions.
The civil-orientated EC225 has a military counterpart, which was originally designated as the Eurocopter EC725; it was rebranded in 2015 as the H225M. In 2015, the EC225 was formally renamed to the H225, in line with Eurocopter’s corporate rebranding as Airbus Helicopters.Wikipedia
Inside Airbus H225 Super Puma: The World’s Most Expensive Helicopter
The Airbus H225 Super Puma is filled with extravagance to the very brim.
Aug 04, 2022
https://www.therichest.com/luxury/inside-airbus-h225-super-puma-the-worlds-most-expensive-helicopter/
With a price tag of 27 million dollars, this twin-engine, long-range passenger transport helicopter is the most expensive helicopter in the world. It is also the most competent and modern helicopter currently available. It is the most recent update of the Eurocopter family’s line of civilian Super Puma helicopters which offers amazing views while on the sky. It was manufactured by the Eurocopter family. It can accommodate up to 24 people in addition to the two cabin crew members and the attendant who is already present. This problem is solved by the H-225, which contains many capabilities its passengers can use in various contexts.
The wealthy CEOs, offshore drilling companies, and search and rescue teams frequently use this heavy-duty lifter.
The inside is warm and inviting, and the degree to which you may customize it appears to have almost no limits.
It has a cruising speed of 275.5 kilometers per hour and a range of 857 kilometres……

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 18 2023 13:41 utc | 267

Posted by: hankster | Jan 18 2023 5:49 utc | 203
us’ dod audit fail.
how do you “book” a price for an asset that has never been fully tested to show it does what the spec sheets say it should do?
the failed audit is more like we have a m-2 bradley sitting there we just cannot value what it is worth….. worse for f-35 and ford class carriers.
so send these usa/otan things to be broke down 150 km short of the line of contact!
and the idea of sending forward ammunition for many nations’ proprietary weapons!

Posted by: paddy | Jan 18 2023 13:48 utc | 268

A piece from RT…. Here’s an archive link to bypass censorship
https://archive.is/5ma8R
Ukrainian interior minister killed in helicopter crash

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 18 2023 13:51 utc | 269

Hermit | Jan 18 2023 7:16 utc | 214
“Having destroyed their own education system and made the MBA and lawyer the pinnacle of employment, the USA is structurally incapable of responding to any of this at any rffective time-scale…

“…the US remains limited to nineties technology spending billions per system, millions per device and a major fraction of the budget, collapsing their own economy trying, and failing, to develop new systems.
“The asymmetry in ability is overwhelming and increasing, while the economic disparity is what has already brought the US to the edge of collapse where it can no longer afford such extravagances. At this point, it persists as a threat to human existence, but is incapable of dominating or even contributing to society.”

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Devastating insight … all of your posts. Thank you.
I’m beginning to suspect you’re not a fan of stage-four finance-capitalism. ISTM, the ideology and unconscious compulsion of capitalism are indistinguishable from those of the cancer cell — unchecked metastasis — which ultimately kills its host. IMO, free-market capitalism is more aptly named “rigged-market cannibalism”.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Jan 18 2023 13:58 utc | 270

Ukraine interior minister Monastyrskyj crash on BBC: has geo location info and some details.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64315594

Posted by: C | Jan 18 2023 14:00 utc | 271

Joker du DPR
François va être déçu, regardez Yermak :
https://www.kyivpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/86180490_2657183951002137_6254059444875821056_n.jpg

Posted by: Christophe Nicolas | Jan 18 2023 14:01 utc | 272

Russia will have to win the hearts and minds of the territories it has chosen to occupy or semi-autonomous place puppet regimes in power. They have far less expertise in that than the US/UK.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 17 2023 20:30 utc | 45
The territories Russia now occupies are not Ukrainian. Not many if any people with Ukrainian mother tongue. They are Russians. On the other hand I fail to see an expertise of US/UK in winning hearts and minds of people they occupied. India? Philippins ?

Posted by: RB | Jan 18 2023 14:07 utc | 273

Joker du DPR
Ceci dit, la poignée de main de François à Yermak est louche, elle ressemble à ça…
https://docplayer.fr/docs-images/40/13555275/images/page_11.jpg
Explications
https://docplayer.fr/13555275-Dans-le-secret-des-francs-macons.html
Vous voyez qui sont les Kieviens…

Posted by: Christophe Nicolas | Jan 18 2023 14:14 utc | 274

First Arestovich is dismissed. Then the Interior Minister dies in a helicopter crash.
From the beginning there have been continual stories of frontline commanders deserting, taking the silver, abandoning their troops.
Last one to leave turn out the lights.
Moscow might be nice to Arestovich for a week while they determine if he has very current actionable intelligence. After that he parks in solitary waiting a tribunal. He is a cross dressing pansy degenerate, the life he wants only exists in the West. For a while. His best hope is to disappeaar. In his case hard to arrange, possible. He looks somewhat anonymous, a new haircut, a beard, glasses. And keeping his mouth shut.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jan 18 2023 14:18 utc | 275

Exile@204
Saudis have been revealing hints of the move for some little while now. Looks like they’re closing in on it soon. As per the Sudii-Nixon accords, oil since that occasion has been predicated on the dollar. Once they get up the gumption to make this official, it’s likely that the value of the dollar will begin a precipitous slide. As more lands desert the dollar in trade exchanges, inflation will jolt upwards in the ruptured republic formerly known as America.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 18 2023 14:22 utc | 276

@ Julian | Jan 18 2023 2:09 utc | 149
I was so looking forward to the press-conference after the first “summit”-meeting between President Harris and Prime Minister Truss.
Life is cruel sometimes.

Posted by: John Kennard | Jan 18 2023 14:27 utc | 277

I would have thought that the whole idea, as expressed by Yves Smith, of “the classic cowboy movie rescue of the calvary riding over the hill” being thrown into the mix of propaganda of western tanks coming to the rescue of the Ukraine to be a completely self-evidently, bad idea. But what do I know?

Posted by: the blame-e | Jan 18 2023 14:28 utc | 278

Some interesting events in succession lead to speculation:
1) Arestovic resigns/is fired following a clumsy admission on UAF AD missile strike hitting building – was it deliberate, was he leaving a sinking ship on his own timeline?
2) Helicopter carrying Interior Ministry team crashes the next day – some internal house cleaning?
Is the path being cleared for some internal reshuffling? Are some scores being settled? Are loose ends being tied up by Nato while preparing for the inevitable collapse and to avoid people who know too much leveraging a way out at the West’s expense?
Here is one theory from Slavyangrad:
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/29471

Posted by: Et tu | Jan 18 2023 14:30 utc | 279

“The classic cowboy movie rescue of the calvary riding over the hill.” You mean like Custer’s 7TH Calvary and western tanks coming to the rescue of the Ukraine? Bad metaphors get you killed. Just another “Last Stand.” Western tanks and western Patriot missiles in the Ukraine? Pure nonsense. Pure insanity. Pure crap. Custer was nuts, too. Both Custer, and the west are hysterical schoolgirls. Look at what happened to Custer — total and complete annihilation. To this day they haven’t found all the bodies. Same thing is going to happen to the west.

Posted by: the blame-e | Jan 18 2023 14:39 utc | 280

I just find it silly that it even matters HOW a Russian missile hit an apartment building, even if it was clearly not the intended target.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 18 2023 1:03 utc | 132
It’s a matter of intention. Russia is not intentionally bombing civilian targets unlike Ukraine in Donetsk.

Posted by: RB | Jan 18 2023 14:53 utc | 281

Schlitz – “for the military conflict to end, Russia must lose. Therefore, we supply Ukraine with weapons in close communication with our partners”

Posted by: rk | Jan 18 2023 15:02 utc | 282

Arestovic est licencié parce qu’il a rompu le dogme des Franc-maçons “se taire ou mourir”, mourir s’entendant également au sens social.
Les Franc-maçons dirigent l’Ukraine or ils mentent en permanence suivant le dicton de la loge P2 “propaganda, propaganda”, imposant “se taire ou mourir”.

Posted by: Christophe Nicolas | Jan 18 2023 15:03 utc | 283

One thing recently I didn’t understand was a video in which Macgregor, in the middle of his usual objective analysis, opined that the Patriot is a good weapons system. He went on to explain that it is not going to be a game changer in Ukraine for the usual reason, i.e. not enough of them, it takes to long to train the Ukrainians to operate them, etc. But at least to my understanding of earlier versions of the Patriot, it does not perform well and the results that showed it did were faked, iirc in shooting down Scud missiles.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 18 2023 15:04 utc | 284

Excellent article by Mike Whitney Ukraine: Is the Hammer About to Fall?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 18 2023 15:05 utc | 285

2002 La Madone demandant la condamnation des franc-maçons par ailleurs
“Les puissants et riches francs-maçons ont pris possession des radios catholiques, ils encerclent tout Medjugorje et ils sont prêts à combattre, mais pour défendre qui ? Les pauvres et les faibles ? Non. Pour se défendre eux-mêmes et s’enrichir. Après avoir calomnié les innocents et ceux qui sont honnêtes, ils disent le saint Rosaire, célèbrent la Sainte Messe et enseignent la catéchèse. Celui qui ne fait pas partie de la franc-maçonnerie a deux possibilités: se taire ou mourir.””
https://www.madredelleucaristia.it/root/fra/sto/page/ST_18_10_02.php
Le saint-Pape de plus de sent prophéties promis par Dieu, un curé de Rome fait Evèque le 20 juin 1999, égal des apotres et excommunié illégallement par le cardinal Ratzinger
https://www.madredelleucaristia.it/root/fra/vesmar/vesmar.php
Le vrai secret de Fatima trafiqué par Ratzinger
https://www.madredelleucaristia.it/root/fra/jou/page/ART_FATIMA_BIS.php

Posted by: Christophe Nicolas | Jan 18 2023 15:12 utc | 286

Military meetings in Germany today, led by the US of course, General Austin, to decide on more arms for Ukraine.
>WaPo: Heavy tanks — and a push from the U.S. — are key to Ukraine’s success
>CNN: US preps another major Ukraine aid package but Kyiv pleads for tanks
>BBC: Ukraine war: Bakhmut defenders plea for Western tanks
>WSJ: Tanks for Ukraine Are a No-Brainer
NYT: The argument over German tanks is likely to be resolved at the Ramstein meeting, where decisions will have more of a collective character. Mr. Scholz is likely to want vocal American support and participation in any decision he makes to provide German-made tanks or to allow other countries, including Poland and Finland, to do so, analysts say. Polls indicate that Germans support Ukraine but are not enthusiastic about committing German tanks to fighting Moscow.
The United Kingdom has announced its own donation. “Sending Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine is the start of a gear change in the U.K.’s support,” the U.K. government stated. “A squadron of 14 tanks will go into the country in the coming weeks. ”

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 18 2023 15:17 utc | 287

To: Et tu | Jan 18 2023 14:30 utc | 278
Some interesting events in succession lead to speculation:

Is the path being cleared for some internal reshuffling? Are some scores being settled? Are loose ends being tied up by Nato while preparing for the inevitable collapse and to avoid people who know too much leveraging a way out at the West’s expense?
Here is one theory from Slavyangrad:


Very interesting link, with the caveat, “I read it on the internet”. We will never know. Lot’s of
things are possible.
On another tangent, here is what Rada friend Mezentseva had to say on the BBC piece:
>>Ms Mezentseva said she had initially thought that the disaster was fake news:
“But unfortunately it’s true.”<< So maybe it was really faked. But then, the minister seemed not to be in charge of the SBU. Only police. It seems he was the one who gave the automatic weapons to all the Kiev citizens. Is a third point related? Back when Zeli was by himself in Washington DC, speculation was here he got schooled on his exit strategy in person and was handed his golden parachute at the same time. I always speculated here, nothing better to exit the stage of world fame and politics and without a trace in a big ball of fire aka some explosion. So I don't know what to think. Just continuing observing pieces of information coming out of the black box. Helicopters are not very save, much less in a war, but powerful people tend to get into accidents statistically significant more often than others. And then not every death is a real one. BTW. where was he flying to? BBC mentions the other person destined for the meeting, but why that direction. Anything to do with the northern Belarrus/Russia border and what's brewing there?

Posted by: C | Jan 18 2023 15:21 utc | 288

14 brit tanks, with guns’ ammo?
where are the 70 odd ifv’s?, the 8 apaches, the 95 ‘transporters’ and 40 fuel trucks?
300,000 liters fuel!
that is the basic iron and diesel for a troop of heavy tanks…..
the gun ammo is soviet standard? not!
send the tanks w/o the doctrine!
the kids on the trench line know how to run a tank war same as the journos hyping the war.
it is harder to send a centaurian tank to the black market, or is it?

Posted by: paddy | Jan 18 2023 15:29 utc | 289

Hermit@214
Incisive posting. Thanks. Ever since first becoming aware of China’s development of a massive high-speed rail system, I’ve been posting thoughts about getting it done here in the ruptured republic. One idea which might be viable would be to employ the Interstate medians, often 30-50 meters in breadth in rural areas for an elevated system for HSRs. In crowded urban agglomerations there would need be adjustments, expensive and time-consuming, what with their usually central depots. One additional concept for those blockages would be to establish suburban/exurban depots/stations at each end of those messy metros.
Powers that be, particularly the rancid airline industry and the despicable petroleum giants, would be highly resistant to such a forward move, in large part due to the fact that railroad travel can be a very enjoyable occasion for people who could use for a bit of socialization instead of being cramped and anxious in a flying beercan.
My closest megalopolis, the Twin Cities to Chicago run could be made in less than two hours, as an example. What with the free for all at O’Hare and Midway, a bullet train might actually be faster than flying. 3,000 mile trans-continental runs could be accomplished in something over ten hours, just ten on non-stops.
Bullet trains would be absolutely logical, saving on fuel, easy on nerves and in many aspects a comparative delight.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 18 2023 15:32 utc | 290

unimperator @218
One of your best. Thanks.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 18 2023 15:36 utc | 291

article from Ukraine on Russian tanks here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 18 2023 15:56 utc | 292

Don’t know if anyone has already posted this stuff or not. Anyways – video footage of dozens of liquidated ukronazis in Soledar. The reporter talks about “hundreds and hundreds” of corpses.
The only logical & good result for the nazi bastards who have mocked Donbass since 2014. Go to hell, bastards.

Posted by: alaff | Jan 18 2023 16:00 utc | 293

How on earth were the Brits able to raise the weight of their latest Challenger-2 variant to 75 tons? SEVENTY-FIVE TONS? Is it filled to the brim with lead or something? It’s ridiculous.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Jan 18 2023 16:13 utc | 294

“Is the Hammer About to Fall?”
The 100-200 nato tanks, hundreds of armored vehicles, 2-3 Patriots, hundreds of drones, 150k ammo and radars from Israel, missiles, whatever, shouldn’t change anything, should be exploded in first month. But that is theory, in practice we’ve seen what team Shoigu can do in a year, so keep your expectations close to zero and let’s hope they don’t lose more Russian territory in another “strategic retreat” like Kherson.
The dirty bomb is even more possible now that IAEA is suddenly getting very involved. They’re like OSCE observers and White Helmets.

Posted by: rk | Jan 18 2023 16:35 utc | 295

article from Ukraine on Russian tanks here
Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 18 2023 15:56 utc | 291

More like a pro-Ukraine article from London, if I am not mistaken? They cite Ukrainian and Western sources, so I’d take that with a pinch … nah … spoon of salt. That said, I haven’t watched any Western or Ukrainian news or telegram channels, so can’t tell about the latest tank losses of Russia et al. Methinks that after the initial drive to Kiev and the ill-fated retreat, tank-tactics have changed and losses lessened.

Posted by: CM of Berlin | Jan 18 2023 16:38 utc | 296

@ rk | Jan 18 2023 16:35 utc | 294
it is hard to rationalize or justify russia deserting kherson, but it is possible.. i think most folks thought they shouldn’t have gone that far, but there were fringe benefits in doing so too.. some, but not all, were given the option to leave to russia, a number of ukrainian or mercs were killed and etc… but i get your point… russia isn’t doing enough for you and they will never be doing enough for you until they adopt the approach of the usa which is to bomb the shit and destroy everything, and i mean everything… are you living in russia and unhappy with this approach russia takes, or?? thanks for the note on the german leader earlier…
@ hermit – thanks for the song by they might be giants.. good to know some folks listen to quirky music here.. thanks for your posts..
@ oldhippie – i agree with your take on this guy Arestovich options moving forward..

Posted by: james | Jan 18 2023 16:41 utc | 297

Lots happening today on the 80th anniversary of the lifting of the Leningrad Siege with Lavrov giving his presser reviewing 2022’s foreign policy accomplishments. Currently the transcript only provides most of his peroration prior to the Q&A, which is long and very detailed as is his usual practice. Here is an excerpt from the body that encapsulates much:

I will not talk in detail about the actions of the West in other geopolitical areas. Today we consider the position of the United States and the West to be the main problem that creates difficulties in all azimuths. In short, it goes something like this. Washington’s policy of dictate in international affairs literally means the following: Americans are allowed everything they want and wherever they want (at least on the other side of the Earth). What they think is necessary, they will do. Everyone else cannot do anything without American consent, even in response to direct security threats that the United States itself creates on the borders of countries.
Just as Napoleon mobilized almost all of Europe against the Russian Empire, just as A. Hitler captured, put most European countries “under arms” and threw them against the Soviet Union, the United States formed a coalition of almost all Europeans who are members of NATO and the EU, and through Ukraine “by proxy” is waging war against our country with the same task – the final solution of the “Russian question”. Hitler wanted to finally solve the “Jewish question.”
Now Western politicians (not only from the Baltic States, Poland, but also from more “sane” countries) say that Russia must suffer a strategic defeat. In some publications, political scientists are actively arguing that it is necessary to decolonize Russia. Like, again our country is too big and “interferes”. Just the other day I read an article in the Telegraph, which calls for the liberation of Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Transnistria, leaving Karelia, Koenigsberg and the Kuriles for negotiations. Clearly, this is a tabloid. We read the yellow press forcibly, because sometimes it pops up on the front pages of the news.

Lavrov’s analogy is very clear and echoes what myself and a few other barflies have written over the last year. Later today when the transcript’s completed, I’ll post it to my VK and provide the link here.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 18 2023 16:48 utc | 298

aristodemos @289
What you are saying about trains is so totally logical and would be so useful that it was proposed as far back as the 50s. Original plan for O’Hare airport was to have it connected to Midway with a ten or fifteen minute high speed rail shuttle. Plans at various times included a link to Billy Mitchell in Milwaukee, routes to Madison and on to Minneapolis. At various times the entire plan was fully funded and absolutely everyone was onboard except for the City of Chicago. Chicagos problem was the pols got lots of money from the taxi companies and the taxi companies wanted that fare from O’hare to Midway.
Pure parochial politics. The rights of way are still there. I think most have simply given up on rail. So scarce in US it is hard to even think about.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jan 18 2023 16:51 utc | 299

@ james | Jan 18 2023 16:41 utc | 297
it is hard to rationalize or justify russia deserting kherson
It’s not hard at all, it’s easy. An army can not survive without tons of logistical support, everything from food to ammo to repair parts to fuel to medical care — the list goes on. Such support could not be adequately furnished over a couple of bridges under destructive artillery fire. So, many this past summer were predicting a withdrawal which I did too in September which only gained two responses at the time, one saying I wasn’t me and the other saying a field army could be resupplied by helicopter.
Bottom line, it wasn’t anti-Russia, it was totally necessary. And Tass explained it so at the time.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 18 2023 16:58 utc | 300