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January 19, 2023
Ukraine – Pressing For Tanks

The German chancellor Olaf Schulz is under pressure from local coalition partners and external allies to allow the export of German Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine.

Scholz so far rejects doing so because the U.S. is not willing to give its own tanks, M1 Abrams types, to Ukraine:

Germany won’t send or authorize the transfer of tanks to Ukraine until the U.S. agrees to give its own, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz told American lawmakers on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum on Wednesday.

The exchange in Davos, described by three people with knowledge of what was said, was respectful in tone but showed just how far apart Washington and Berlin are on a tank deal.

A spokesperson for Scholz didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment. But the chancellor hinted at some kind of arrangement with the U.S. during his Davos address.

“We are never doing something just by ourselves, but together with others, especially the United States, which are very important in this common task to defend Ukrainian independence and sovereignty,” he said.

The U.S. has send its secretary of defense Lloyd Austin to Berlin to pressure Scholz into changing his mind:

Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin met his newly appointed German counterpart on Thursday for talks that have taken on more urgency since Berlin put conditions on tank deliveries to Ukraine.

In a call this week with President Biden, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz stressed that in order for Germany to unlock a package of Leopard 2 tanks for Ukraine, Washington should send tanks, too, according to a German and a U.S. official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the private conversation.

It’s a move Washington doesn’t want to make, citing the high fuel consumption and maintenance burden of the U.S. military’s M1 Abrams battle tanks. Austin is hoping to break the deadlock in Berlin and persuade Germany to send tanks, according to a senior U.S. defense official.

The excuse Washington gives for not delivering Abrams tanks is not really believable. Yes, the turbine driven Abrams is guzzling a bit more fuel than the Leopard’s diesel engine. But a turbine also requires less maintenance than a diesel engine which has many more moving parts.

Aside from the engine the Abrams do not have any significant parts that the Leopards do not have. Training for the use and maintenance of either does not differ in time needed or intensity.

There is also the false impression, pushed by some weapon dealers (in German), that there are ‘hundreds’ of Leopards available. This is nonsense. Not every Leopard is like the other. The most standardized variant is Leopard 2A4 one. In the end Ukraine could receive may be 50 of those. The current German standard tank is the Leopard 2A7 which had three upgrades since the A4 version came out. Various countries have versions in between, often with their own upgraded gun control and communication systems. It would not make any sense from a training and maintenance point to give Ukraine a smorgasbord of various Leopard types. The logistics to support those would immediately become unfeasible.

There are also other issues. Soviet era tanks have a weight of about 40 metric tons. All he ‘western’ Abrams, Leopard, British Challenger and French Leclerc main battle tanks have a battle weight in the 60 metric ton class. I doubt that Ukraine rural roads and bridges were constructed with such tanks in mind. What use is a tank when you can not move it around without destroying your own supply routes?

There is also the important issue of training. This does not only include the technology of the tank but its tactical use in the field. The Turkish experience in Syria showed that bad tank tactics inevitably lead to bad outcomes, no matter how good the tanks are.


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Back to the original issue.

Why is the U.S. rejecting to send Abrams of which it has hundreds readily deliverable in various depots and pre-positioning sites?

The German chancellor seems to think that the U.S. wants to sneak out of its commitment and responsibility for the coming defeat of Ukraine.

“The Germans were responsible for delivering tanks but they did not deliver quickly and not enough of them,” could become a convenient excuse when the neo-conservative Ukraine project fails as it inevitably will. The U.S. could thereby leave Europe on the hook for a dismembered and bankrupt Ukraine. That may happen anyway but it should not be made any easier by letting Germany be pushed into leading the escalation spiral in the U.S. proxy war with Russia.

Scholz should have thought of that when he, at the start of the war, committed his country to the Ukraine project. The consequences were easy to predict:

All energy consumption in the U.S. and EU will now come at a premium price. This will push the EU and the U.S. into a recession. As Russia will increase the prices for exports of goods in which it has market power – gas, oil, wheat, potassium, titanium, aluminum, palladium, neon etc – the rise in inflation all around the world will become significant.

‘Western’ central banks are still at practical 0% interest rates and will be reluctant to increase those as that will cause a deeper recession. This makes it likely that inflation in the ‘western’ world will increase at a higher rate than Russia’s.

The shunning of economic relations with Russia and China means that Germany and its newbie chancellor Olaf Scholz have fallen for the U.S. scheme of creating a new Cold War. Germany’s economy will now become one of its victims.

On February 4 Russia and China declared a multipolar world in which they are two partnering poles that will counter the American one. Russia’s move into the Ukraine is a demonstration of that.

It also shows that the U.S. is unwilling to give up its supremacist urges without a large fight. But while the U.S. over the last 20 years has spent its money to mess up the Middle East, Russia and China have used the time to prepare for the larger conflict. They have spent more brain time on the issue than the U.S. has.

The Europeans should have acknowledged that instead of helping the U.S. to keep up its self-image of a unipolar power.

It will take some time for the new economic realities to settle in. They will likely change the current view of Europe’s real strategic interests.

Now Germany and Scholz are in the mess I predicted at the start of the war. This will not get better by ‘taking responsibility’ for tank deliveries and letting the U.S. off the hook. Scholz needs to be able to point to the U.S. as the power behind the war when the final results come in. So let’s see how long his usual weak backbone will hold him straight.

The U.S is by the way working on further escalation steps in the war by planing new attacks on Crimea:

Now, the Biden administration is considering what would be one of its boldest moves yet, helping Ukraine to attack the peninsula that President Vladimir V. Putin views as an integral part of his quest to restore past Russian glory.

American officials are discussing with their Ukrainian counterparts the use of American-supplied weapons, from HIMARS rocket systems to Bradley fighting vehicles, to possibly target Mr. Putin’s hard-fought control over a land bridge that functions as a critical supply route connecting Crimea to Russia via the Russian-occupied cities of Melitopol and Mariupol.

However, President Biden is not yet ready to give Ukraine the long-range missile systems that Kyiv would need to attack Russian installations on the peninsula.

This week, top U.S. and Ukrainian commanders will hold a high-level planning meeting in Germany to game out the offensive planning, another senior U.S. official said. The drill, the official said, is meant to align Ukraine’s battle plans with the kinds of weapons and supplies NATO allies are contributing.

The U.S. is planning all major Ukrainian operations in the war. It checks what weapons are necessary to pursue those plans. It then orders its NATO clients to deliver the stuff or at least to pay some other country for doing it. When the operation  finally launches it will only be Ukrainian and Russia soldiers who will die in their efforts.

“What is not to like with this,” asks the White House.

Well, I do not think that Russia is willing to be the proverbial slowly boiling frog in this escalation game. It will, at some point, have to strike back at the powers behind the war instead of just at their Ukrainian proxy. I am sure that the Kremlin has already studied the various options to do so.

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Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 19 2023 23:30 utc | 191 “Russia knocked out the bridge west of Odessa”
Do you mean the Zatoka bridge? And the Beskydy Tunnel?
That bridge has been hit at least 7 times as it keeps getting repaired.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/w2rgtc/russian_tvguided_missile_hits_bridge_in_zatoka/
The Tunnel itself was not hit, but infrastructure near it.
“The strikes occurred near the Beskyd tunnel in the Carpathian mountains, not far from the Slovakian border. This is the second time Russian cruise missiles have attacked the route.” https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-crisis/russia-ukraine-war-news-live-updates-day-97-may-31-2022-liveblog.html
The Russians have demonstrated very little capability to hit mobile targets west of Kyiv. They don’t have on call strike capability with a quick enough reaction time. Nor persistent real time reconnaissance to even pick targets. It’s not that surprising given that Ukraine air defense are still operating at some reasonably dangerous level.
The Russians could strike fixed targets but given they have reportedly hit that bridge at least 7 times, that is also a hard job. The Russians appear to have switched up their target set a number of times instead of persistent striking enough to knock one set completely out.
Thus Western supplies continue to flow eastward to the front. This has been the real game changer in this war. It would be long over without the Western supplies.

Posted by: Bill Smith | Jan 20 2023 13:07 utc | 401

More on Zaporizhe offensive:
“The capture of Lobkove in the Zaporozhye direction somewhat worsens the situation for the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kamianske-Zaporozhye section. The reasons for the loss of this village and a number of other positions were the withdrawal of part of the brigades from the direction in the interests of holding the front near Artemovsk, Soledar and Maryinka. Only now the front began to crackle.”
https://t.me/intelslava/43556
Poking small holes here and there and continuously keeping things unbalanced. This was also a major contribution by the operation in Soledar and around Bahkmut. They have to continuously shuffle troops around, and even mobility might be difficult by now due to black ice and occasional mud for wheeled vehicles. Things are getting increasingly strained in more places of the front, albeit there’s no doubt they will yet inject a large amount of manpower due to large mobilization.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 20 2023 13:08 utc | 402

As a finance/economics ignoramus can someone explain why the process of crafting a new commodities based currency seems to be taking so long?
I seem to have been reading about it for quite some time now.
Posted by: Digital dynosaur | Jan 20 2023 7:36 utc | 349
Because such a thing can never work. There is a reason the Gold Standard was known as a ‘barbarous relic’. There’s a reason why silver coins died out in the first place.
The biggest issue, as ever, is where is the commodities are stored and how does they get moved around. It ends up being too slow to be of use in settlement. So you end up with an ‘inside money’ derivative moving around instead – an alleged claim over commodities. That derivative then gets hoarded by one entity to the detriment of all the others and we’re back to square one again.
Money is a promise written down, and always has been. Time to accept that. Just as we have to accept that we have to steer into a skid even though it ‘feels’ we should do the opposite.
Posted by: The Accountant | Jan 20 2023 8:40 utc | 353
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Would you rather have a currency that’s based on useful commodities or treasury bonds that are used as collateral for thousands of derivative contracts?
The USD system needs to be trashed and replaced with a multipolar alternative used for productive purposes and not to serve elites.

Posted by: financial matters | Jan 20 2023 13:17 utc | 403

Yesterday the CEO of Morgan Stanley called the WEF an “echo chamber”, which is too polite by half:
“…this echo chamber we live in here in Davos where everybody’s basically repeating back to each other what they’ve heard from the last person. Let’s be honest.”
Exhibit ‘A’: This group would be called a circle jerk, if they were not sitting in straight line.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z022jmXLCA

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 20 2023 13:34 utc | 404

And, of course, there should have been a powerful attack along the Polish border on February 24th, when that was much easier to do, precisely in order to prevent that scenario. It wasn’t that hard to foresee it will get to this point.
Putin being a coward/compromised by loyalties other than the goal of Russia winning decisively is what will get us all killed.
At this point it’s hard to see what else other than a nuclear strike will stop the flow of weapons. NATO isn’t afraid anymore, and are openly saying it. The only option is a crushing offensive from Brest, but even that doesn’t seem to be coming.
Posted by: shadowbanned | Jan 19 2023 18:57 utc | 95

I don’t about the Putin part, but I agree with the rest of the assessment. At first, NATO was scared of Russian reaction. Remember how America refused to take fighter planes from Poland and give it to Ukraine? And compare that with the present situation, when America is openly sending weapons. All because Russia did not nip in the bud any ambition on the part of Poland to meddle into this affair.

Posted by: Old Brown Fool | Jan 20 2023 13:53 utc | 405

Posted by: Boo | Jan 19 2023 17:32 utc | 37
You are talking about costs only, forgetting that such trained in real war army is much more capable afterwards.

Posted by: Martin | Jan 20 2023 14:04 utc | 406

Money is a promise written down, and always has been. Time to accept that. Just as we have to accept that we have to steer into a skid even though it ‘feels’ we should do the opposite.
Posted by: The Accountant | Jan 20 2023 8:40 utc | 353
No, not always; it is a recent invention. Money was an item that was something useful in itself, a proof of past work that also spares you to do that work yourself; a bag of rice, an iron ingot, all are proof someone has done some work somewhere to produce it, and you are spared that pain, and that product is useful to you. Food was the first such item; then it was found that metal ingots were more durable and more in demand, and compact. Therefore all goods came to be valued in terms of fixed weights of metals. It is not accidental that ALL the units of money in the ancient world were also units of weight; thus one pound sterling was literally one pound – 450 grams – of silver.
Promise as money was a concept that came around only about 500 years ago. Before that, promissory notes were not widely accepted as money; they were considered investments, were traded, but were not considered money because their redemption value varied on many factors; your promissory note and my promissory note are not of same value – I may default. And money has to have a known quantity of purchasing power; else, it is investment.
As I said, there are two types of money – proof of past work – gold or silver coins, bitcoin, etc, and promise of future work – today’s fiat moneys. Proof of past work is assured, promises are unpredictable.

Posted by: Old Brown Fool | Jan 20 2023 14:04 utc | 407

The tank thing is now the top story on CNN, being framed as a German us standoff.
Is Germany splitting off? Have they said NO and meant it this time?
I feel that they’ll fold because Germans love obeying, but maybe they’re realizing that just because you can’t fight the US doesn’t mean you have to be allied. The best anyone can do with the US is keep them away from you.
The US is a global plague, but no one has the power to bottle them up in North America, or the will. Japan and the uk find it too useful to bedeviled their continental rivals.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jan 20 2023 14:14 utc | 408

Re: Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jan 20 2023 10:32 utc | 370

I was the one who emailed him about it, the “acerbic email” he referenced in his apology.
And then he went and did it again in his apology! LOL I cracked up. I just sent him another email with Youtube videos not only stating Abrams name, but also how the long “A” is pronounced both in American and British speech.
Maybe he’ll get it right next time. Or maybe he just doesn’t give a shit.
– Grammar Nazi

Indeed this sounds right on point for you Mr. Hack. And you come here to boast about it! Also on point. Well done.
And how do you pronounce wrath pray tell?

Posted by: Julian | Jan 20 2023 14:14 utc | 409

NATO was scared of Russian reaction. Remember how America refused to take fighter planes from Poland and give it to Ukraine?
Posted by: Old Brown Fool | Jan 20 2023 13:53 utc | 404
nato was not scared a year ago, it is not scared today and they can’t send any f16s without nato pilots. And there’s no need for it, the general staff of cardboard works from inside, slowly grinding it’s own army and civilians until protests on the streets will appear and they can finally lower Putin’s approval rate to Biden levels. Another year or two of doing nothing, like 2022, and see what happens.
I suspect the lack of news about the BRICS currency is also a result of not having progress on the battlefield, no one wants to join an occupied country, which it is since the referendum in the new regions.

Posted by: rk | Jan 20 2023 14:20 utc | 410

In Peter Lavelle’s latest CrossTalk show, George Szamuely says that Russia’s first strike at NATO/US will be at its intelligence satellites, see https://geopolitiekincontext.wordpress.com/crosstalk/
You will also find there my latest piece: “Two opinion makers on Ukraine. Lots of details, little vision”. It shows how two prominent opinion makers have fundamentally different views on the war in Ukraine, but fail to zoom out to see the real pucture: Russia is fighting for its survival.
It is written in Dutch but Google Translate provides a decent translation (right upper corner). The link is:
https://geopolitiekincontext.wordpress.com/2023/01/20/twee-opiniemakers-over-oekraine-veel-details-weinig-visie/
Welcome to post a reaction.

Posted by: Paul-Robert | Jan 20 2023 14:28 utc | 411

@ Melaleuca #188
“Mildred Milley”, how rich!
The tenure of such a loser across two different POTUS (er, 1 and whatever Biden is) admins just shows how much U.S. flag officers have sold out the Constitution for their own self-serving careers. Truly puke worthy…

Posted by: DakotaRog | Jan 20 2023 14:43 utc | 412

following post by: Opport Knocks | Jan 20 2023 12:41 utc | 396

Voting at the World Bank and IMF is weighted by GDP. So the US ensures that “friendly” country GDP estimates are high and “unfriendlies” are lower.

i think in this case the late Mr. Hellevig used simply a sloppy source ( in another article in 2016 he used the the “right” numbers )

The massive government spending and deficits in the USA, Canada, UK, EU, etc. all contribute to inflating their GDP. Fiscally conservative regimes are punished by this policy.

already an article from 2014 !! describes exatly this topic
Awara Study on Real GDP Growth Net-of-Debt

Posted by: ghiwen | Jan 20 2023 14:54 utc | 413

Thanks for this sober Ukraine update, b. It’s certainly fired up EVERYONE’s imagination. If Germany sticks to its “You first!” ultimatum to the Yankees’ Abrams main battle tanks, it’ll mark the beginning of the end of NATO/OTAN/ZATO.
Also, the Yankee bloviating about China-Taiwan is pure delusion. China’s official deadline for re-unification is 2049 and I’d bet $1,000,000 that it’s “flexible”. However, the Chinese will keep yanking the dumbass Yankees’ chain just hard enough, and often enough, to send carrier groups half-way around the world back and forth, for the next 30 years, to look pointless and stupid.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 20 2023 15:02 utc | 414

excuse me if I missed this in another comment, but seems likely Scholz is holding Leopards hostage to restarting NS: gas starts flowing, Leopards start rolling
Posted by: fearnotruth | Jan 20 2023 6:01 utc | 335
This doesn’t make any sense. Russia sends gas through NS to Germany and in return Germany sends Leopards to Ukraine to fight Russia!

Posted by: RB | Jan 20 2023 15:11 utc | 415

@Martin
Its more capable but the fact is that modern nation states generally lose out in major wars even if they win. Even if the war is not on their teritory, as a rule the costs are ruinous and consequences far reaching.
Russia is not actually threatened with an invasion and the utility of the army should they win this war plummets due to the fact that they neither can nor intend to follow up with a war of conquest – and even if they could, maintaining military control over other countries is generally an awful and losing proposition in the 21st century. There is a good reason why Americans maintain control over Europe with informal networks and economic links first and threat of warfare second. And the latter hasn’t exactly worked out for them either, even in the third world.
Ergo people who say that time is on Russia’s side are plain wrong. War is incredibly wasteful and the ruins of Ukraine are hardly a prize. Its one of the reasons why the Kremlin did everything to avoid it, and attacked only when their back was against the wall. The soundness of waiting until 2022 is up for debate, but their cost benefit analysis of the war itself was sound.

Posted by: Boo | Jan 20 2023 15:14 utc | 416

Posted by: KR | Jan 20 2023 9:00 utc | 354
Thanks very much, KR from Paris. The yellow vests could be am encouraging symbol, just as Occupy has been for the US. Both have staying power as elements of recent history that do not go away in the hearts of the people.
Yout ‘on the scene’ report is extremely valuable in expressing a force against war which can only grow and needs to be reported on by us as it won’t be by the media. That is b’s traditionally focussed mantra here. Yes, police presence has always been a daunting factor in quelling dissent, but there will come a time when they too will be donning yellow vets. It will come.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 20 2023 15:16 utc | 417

Posted by: Boo | Jan 20 2023 15:14 utc | 415
I think Russia wins by surviving, NATO wants to bleed it and encircle it with NATO nations with nukes on its borders.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 20 2023 15:19 utc | 418

@ Eric Bergerud @ 331
Maskirovka.

Posted by: Squeeth | Jan 20 2023 15:22 utc | 419

A shocking new evil weapon has been deployed this month by the RF SMC troops near Zaporozhye. A mobile soup kitchen is attracting defecting starving country 404 conscripts like bees to a honeypot. Many former conscripts with ethnic Russian backgrounds have enlisted in the DPR/LPR volunteer armed forces to fight against their former slave masters.
Who knew the smell of delicious hot food on the western front? Was such a deadly weapon.
Posted by: Big Deal Motors On | Jan 20 2023 7:15 utc |
That’s beautiful, Big Deal Motors On. It reminds me of Russia’s earliest efforts to help Donbass. Sending in flotillas of aid by truck over the border to the beseiged Ukrainian citizenry. God bless the food munitioners!

Posted by: juliania | Jan 20 2023 15:23 utc | 420

Posted by: Paul-Robert | Jan 20 2023 14:28 utc | 410 “ays that Russia’s first strike at NATO/US will be at its intelligence satellite”
How? And what does NATO/US do in response?

Posted by: Bill Smith | Jan 20 2023 15:26 utc | 421

@pretzel
At this stage, I agree. Merely maintaining a good standard of living and internal stability while eventually winning the war is the maximum they can hope for.
There’s a lot to be said about the Russian approach to soft power with their old networks and neighbours, which may have avoided landing them in this predicament, but it’s a bit late for that. The Kremlin should ask some hard questions as to how the West managed to turn just about every country of the former USSR against them to one degree or another. This is not even the first such war.

Posted by: Boo | Jan 20 2023 15:28 utc | 422

Posted by: Boo | Jan 20 2023 15:28 utc | 421
at any stage, the maximum they could hope for was rolling back NATO. the US managed to turn a number of countries (not just about every country) against Russia by the time honored method of bribery and threats, which it is able to do because it set up this farce called the “rules based order” and was the last big economy standing at the end of world war 2. now, at long last, its power is obviously fading, which is one reason so many countries are now willing to buck it. It’s not going to be able to keep all thse wars and coups going at the same time. the only question is how it reacts to the vast failure it has pushed in Ukraine.
Russia had no choice, at any stage, eventually it was going to come to this because the US wanted it to come to this, and the US has managed to take control of the leadership of just about every nation in Europe, via bribery, intimidation, and propaganda.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 20 2023 15:41 utc | 423

JHW [399]
One thing about US military forces that I think the Russians grasp. And that is our military is only as good as our Commander in Chief. The troops respect and have faith in their President, their work is outstanding.
This is so funny ! So you think US troops were just confused in Vietnam as they progressed from Kennedy to Johnson to Nixon and the thought of McGovern gave them panic attacks ?
But Bush was inspirational and allowed them to feel good about invading Iraq ?
Clinton made them joyous to be bombing civilians in Belgrade ?
Trump made them hot to murder Soleimani on his peace mission to Baghdad ?
Obama gave them thrills when he wanted cruise missiles and drone killings ?
Wow American military personnel are nothing else !

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 20 2023 15:53 utc | 424

Bill Smith [400]
It’s not that surprising given that Ukraine air defense are still operating at some reasonably dangerous level.
Hilarious ! You forgot to mention those RC-135 Rivet Joint that US donated to Zelensky for his exclusive use…….or these
https://www.nato.int/nato_static/assets/pdf/pdf_publications/20120103_awacs-e.pdf
It is amazing how well-equipped Zelensky is with spy planes and networked real-time targeting information. No expense spared. From a Kolomoisky puppet he has become the Grand Master with Biden and US ready to fall at his feet and offer him everything they have to please him……

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 20 2023 15:57 utc | 425

@ Simon | Jan 20 2023 4:59 utc | 324
The Biden Administration quietly kept them.
Sure — it was actually a tax on citizens who footed the tariff bill. Why not keep it?
Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 20 2023 5:07 utc | 327

The tariffs were opposed by the rich of both parties and not because they wanted to avoid “taxing people”. They were against anything that would change the status quo – massive cheap imports from China. But the tariffs are not large enough to change that dynamic. But I would guess that the Biden Administration did keep them for the tax money and not because they want to limit the massive trade deficit with China.

Posted by: Simon | Jan 20 2023 16:00 utc | 426

KR@354
Thank you for your info on popular disaffection en La France. Here in the $tates there appears to be a general and growing vibe of grumbling combined with bewilderment. But it’s mid-winter and popular demonstrations of disaffection tends to be rather quiescent this time of year…but come spring, generalized disgust with virtually every institution may blossom forth.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 20 2023 16:12 utc | 427

Digital dynosaur @349–
As I’ve explained, the process is rather complex/complicated and is a hybrid never before attempted in actual practice. The big issue is making the overall system fair/just, which means allowing the use of many national currencies, not just those deemed “hard.” With digital systems, such complexity ought to be more easily managed, but nations need to be up to speed digitally, and that’s one reason implementation is taking time.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 20 2023 16:26 utc | 428

@ Richard Steven Hack | Jan 20 2023 10:32 utc | 370
thats funny!!
@ outraged, down south and dungroanin – thanks for your posts.
signing off on this thread..

Posted by: james | Jan 20 2023 16:28 utc | 429

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 20 2023 15:57 utc | 424 ” You forgot to mention those RC-135 Rivet Joint”
Where do you see that an RC-135 Rivet Joint has been donated to Zelensky for his exclusive use?
At this point NATO and Ukraine see Russia as a joint threat. Thus, NATO along with Finnish, Swedish and even Australian reconnaissance assets of all types are providing intelligence to UKraine. You can watch them operate along the borders of Russia and Ukraine on various flight tracking websites. In addition to the ones you can watch on those websites there are also many, many satellites.
But to your point, yes, this all contributes to effectively make the hodgepodge of Ukrainian systems be more effective. Which to my point, makes it harder for the Russians to operate in Ukrainian airspace. Even more so deep into Ukrainian airspace as opposed to right along the front lines.

Posted by: Bill Smith | Jan 20 2023 16:29 utc | 430

Posted by: John Kennard | Jan 20 2023 4:41 utc | 319
“@ nathan in WA US | Jan 20 2023 2:33 utc | 268
Well, in effect he’s saying “We’ll all be dead.” ”
Precisely the result of a nuclear war between nuclear powers…
Posted by: Big Deal Motors On | Jan 20 2023 7:15 utc | 347
“A shocking new evil weapon has been deployed this month by the RF SMC troops near Zaporozhye. A mobile soup kitchen is attracting defecting starving country 404 conscripts like bees to a honeypot. Many former conscripts with ethnic Russian backgrounds have enlisted in the DPR/LPR volunteer armed forces to fight against their former slave masters.
Who knew the smell of delicious hot food on the western front? Was such a deadly weapon.”
Yes! Watch out for the bakery truck, it’s an especially potent weapon in that detachment!

Posted by: nathan in WA US | Jan 20 2023 16:32 utc | 431

Uncle Tungsten @357
Thanks for the Weeb Union links. From that we can gather some analyses. Firstly, it’s now more than evident that the Russian forces are advancing on a number of fronts. This means that Seversk may soon be severed and that the noose around Bakhmut draws tighter and tighter. Purport is that the Ukies are rapidly draining their reserves. Thus any breakthrough may lead to relatively rapid advances. Perhaps the Ukies will crumble on several of these fronts, leading to broad spread Russian breakouts.
At this point, the moves on the Zap front may be the key, which I’ve long expected, as Zap City is a nexus along the Dnieper. From there advances could be twinned, with one progressing up the Dnieper while the second would feature river crossings close to the city itself and then be enabled from those bridgeheads to ultimately sweep southwestwards towards Krivoi Rog, thence to re-liberate Kherson, then Nicolaev and ultimately encircle Odessa and thence on to the Transnistria settlements.
Meanwhile several northern drives may unfold, perhaps with an encirclement of the ethnically Russian but second largest Ukrainian city of Kharkov. By this point, the Ukrainian army may become generally discombobulated.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 20 2023 16:40 utc | 432

[.] The best they can do is setup a puppet government somewhere and us it as a banner to keep attacking Russians. But who cares at that point, it’s an empty shell.[.]
Posted by: unimperator | Jan 20 2023 1:12 utc | 246
The Prostiticians mouth scripts as the window blows. That is why from time immemorial they are described as “windbags”
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It would be great if b were to have a global finance as a thread topic as it usually goes to an open thread. Many of us barflies think the financial aspect a component of the overall war, not just its Ukraine segment, so IMO such a thread would prove worthy as there’s much now to place there–far more than one year ago.[.]
Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 20 2023 2:52 utc | 278
Excellent idea karlof1. Thanks for your reply.
The financial is the driver of the agenda and is usually glossed over. The old adage: “when the financial fails they take us to war.”
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“Muthaucker is working overtime tonight. As usual contributing less than nothing to the greater conversation. “
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 20 2023 6:24 utc | 342
Drive-by Trolling is the task.
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[.]Because such a thing can never work. There is a reason the Gold Standard was known as a ‘barbarous relic’. There’s a reason why silver coins died out in the first place.
The biggest issue, as ever, is where is the commodities are stored and how does they get moved around. It ends up being too slow to be of use in settlement. So you end up with an ‘inside money’ derivative moving around instead – an alleged claim over commodities. That derivative then gets hoarded by one entity to the detriment of all the others and we’re back to square one again.
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Posted by: The Accountant | Jan 20 2023 8:40 utc | 356
And you dare use the handle “Accountant” ?
“Depends on where they are stored”…that derivatives then gets hoarded.”
Just Rubbish.
You have no understanding whatsoever about (a) international trade financing or creation of fiat currencies, or (b) the make up of commodities and what determines “store of value” “intrinsic value”: precious metals, oil, value of in ground proven reserves, industrial metals, rice, wheat., fresh water.
If you don’t know, please spare us and do not make things up. Get prepared if you reside in the USA.

Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 20 2023 17:11 utc | 433

dun groanin@388
Valuable insights regarding the looming demise of the Five Eyes. The orbs in the commanding heights within the Rottenchild Bank in City of London may be close to weeping ala Bobbie Burns: “The best laid plans of mice and men gang aft agley and leave us naught but sweat and toil for promised joy.”

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 20 2023 17:15 utc | 434

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 20 2023 15:53 utc | 426
“This is so funny ! So you think US troops were just confused in Vietnam as they progressed from Kennedy to Johnson to Nixon and the thought of McGovern gave them panic attacks ?”
Where did I mention Vietnam? Westmoreland was 100% correct when he stated that the US was “winning the ground war in Vietnam.” The US military had faith in Kennedy through most of the Nixon administration.
Tet had the tactical effect of reducing the effective fighting forces of the NVA to nothing more than a defensive force and the Vietcong back to a harassing force. Strategically, it cost the US the war, as it left the American people with zero trust in their leaders and little taste for a protracted war.
It became clear, when the movers and shakers realized that they were fighting an enemy who embraced death as a part of religion and it was evident that it would be a forever war when Chou En Lai opened the next round of the Paris peace talks by asking his US opposites how long they wanted to continue fighting and to quantify whether they wanted to continue for another year, decade or century.
I say most of the Nixon administration due to their abandonment of Vietnam with “PeacePlan with Honor.”
I was more referring to Ford, who couldn’t instill confidence in a troop of Girl Scouts, with Mayaguez.
Or Carter’s great Build Down, and his half hearted, not really intended to succeed, Iran Hostage Rescue.
And Obama allowing the massive Post-Bush mission creep, while micromanaging Iraq in to near collapse.
Or, dare I say it, The Sublime Brandon doing his failure thing in Afghanistan. Need we get in to the Army’s own after-action that bluntly stated how their Kabul evacuation was derailed by the hundreds of direct daily requests for action from individuals in the White House and the National Security Center? Or the wholesale abandonment, at the beginning of the withdrawal, of what what is possibly the single most strategically placed Air Base in the entire world?
All clear examples of a loss of faith and trust in US leaders by their military forces.
Do you really believe the US WOKE, Brandon-led military can actually go toe-to-toe against the PLA and Ivan?

Posted by: JHW | Jan 21 2023 1:31 utc | 435

Russia is outnumbered at least 5 to 1 by the collective West. Sooner or later Russia will have to take more effective means to bring this war to a swift conclusion…even if they continue to have a positive ratio viz a viz the West, a lengthy toll of blood and treasure will weaken any country. Perhaps it may mean declaring war on Ukraine and then stating that Ukrainian troops being trained abroad and weapons bound for Ukraine will be subject to attack.

Posted by: Bilaal | Jan 21 2023 9:33 utc | 436

As someone who lives in Tiraspol, I wish this foolish talk of the Russians “staging” in PMR (aka “Transnistria”) or otherwise involving this country would come to an end.
From the outside, there’s this common assumption that PMR is “Russian-controlled” and just a half step away from being absorbed into the Russian Federation, but it’s not quite so simple.
The truth is that PMR is located in territory officially considered to be part of Moldova, and this is ALSO the Russian Federation’s position as well. Hence, any military incursion would be a violation of Moldova’s territory and would permanent sever relations between Moscow and Chisinau.
Furthermore, only a small percentage of folks (roughly 20%) in PMR are actually Russian, so it’s not as homogenous as is often portrayed.
Yes, the PMR gov’t is largely pro-Russian. Yes, there are Russian soldiers on PMR territory. But these things are leftovers from the events of 1990s, not the implication of a new doctrine. And nobody in Moscow wants to change the status quo (especially because there are powerful Russian companies and oligarchs making big money in PMR from the steel plant and other industrial facilities).
Furthermore, last but not least, PMR (and Russian forces in PMR) forces have no navy and no air force, no airports or usable airfields, no aircraft of any kind, no missiles, and only a tiny amount of (aging) armored vehicles and howitzers, meaning there are ZERO chances of any assaults being launched from PMR.
Anything that happens in PMR is going to be the result of negotiations and talks, not military stuff (unless Arestovich’s long dream of Ukraine invading PMR comes true). Not sexy or exciting, but that’s the truth.

Posted by: Sam | Jan 21 2023 10:14 utc | 437

Russia’s foreign trade surplus in goods and services also surged by 66% from $170.1 billion in 2021 to $282.3 billion last year, reaching a historic maximum for the second straight year.
The outlook for 2023 is for the breaking of that record. …
Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 19 2023 18:53 utc | 93
I wonder where Russia keeps this surplus. Lack of access to Western banking system is a bother, but the obvious alternative is debt instruments in importing countries like India and China. This would be a very attractive credit for importers like India, and contribute to a big ongoing change in financial dependencies.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 21 2023 15:09 utc | 438

@Boo | Jan 19 2023 17:32 utc | 37
Since at least 2018, the US has known that it can’t beat Russia or China in a regional war, even with full NATO involvement, without using nuclear weapons – which would will lead to elimination of the US as a country, and most likely human extinction Russia is doing the planet a huge service by demilitarizing and denazifying the Ukraine – which cannot possibly defeat Russia, no matter how much help it gets from the US, because, given the USA can’t defeat Russia even with all of NATO helping, it is morally certain that the Ukraine cannot defeat Russia no matter how much help it receives.
As for American “High tech” equipment, it was never designed for the battlefield. It was designed to make profits for defense contractors. The dirty little secret is that most of it does not work, and that Russia and China have countermeasures for most of it that does work.
The few items that are not already far past their scrap by date and worn out from far too many cycles and hours are that way because they are too fragile, too temperamental and require far too much maintenance to ever be used in battle. People could get hurt.
It is worth keeping in mind that aside from a few tiny countries that the USA has illegally invaded (Panama comes to mind), the USA has not won a war since it’s defeat of Spain in the 1890s. It’s just spent 20 years trying to beat a tribe armed primarily with rifles in Afghanistan, and spending money like water, it still failed dismally, despite all it’s high tech toys. There is no reason to imagine that the US would do better against a competent opponent that has spent three centuries preparing for it, particularly after the Japanese, Germans, French, British and Americans invaded it during and after WW I, and the British and Americans sched to invade it with the Germans, even before WW II had ended.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 22 2023 15:08 utc | 439

@ianMoone | Jan 19 2023 18:33 utc | 79
I find it particularly distressing that the UK/US has not yet contributed an invincible aircraft carrier battle group to the Ukraine for them to sail up and down the Donetsk keeping order and protecting lives the way they have since 2014, would surely be unbeatable.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 22 2023 15:28 utc | 440

@Boo | Jan 19 2023 17:49 utc | 48
“The US still has an advantage in submarine warfare”
Why do you imagine this to be the case?
You do realize that Russia, China, Iran and North Korea,have all used diesel electric submarines to violate US exercise cordons undetected, and to shadow US attack and missile submarines for weeks on end without detection, and that permanently placed hydrophone arrays allow submarine location and tracking even under the icecap. In any case, With the loss of the summer icecap, shaking such tails has become exponentially more challenging.
You do also realize that orbital gravitational anomaly detectors and space-based side-scan radar originally orbited to monitor wave heights, are, with suitable signal processing, capable of detecting – and tracking – submarines, making them vulnerable, even more so than surface ships because they have no active defenses and the radius of effectiveness of underwater detonations is far higher than that of airbursts, to missiles launched from thousands of kilometers away.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 22 2023 16:32 utc | 441

@La Bastille | Jan 19 2023 21:48 utc | 154
Opium much?
The Abrams is a Chrysler product, based on the ruins of the failed MBT-70 so you know it’s going to break before you finish paying for it.
The Abrams has never been proven in war. The M1 consistently fails five of its six Reliability, Availability, Maintainability and Durability (RAM-D) requirements, according to both operational tests, and reliability data. Which is why, on exercises 15 are needed to field 4 units that might start. And then it takes just one person touching the barrel while dismounting, or a few meters of movement with the barrel unlocked for the sights to be out of alignment. More than half of it’s electronics are guaranteed to be non-operative at any moment, meaning that as I have observed before, not being able to move, shoot or communicate, it even fails utterly as a 74 ton portable radio that has a hard time moving other than on flatbed.
It was scheduled to be replaced by the Future Combat Systems XM1202 which was cancelled because even the US military realized that it would be even more of a disaster, so the US is stuck with a sea of Abrams parade floats for the foreseeable future. For $10 million you get a great parade float (as long as you don’t remove it from the flatbed). But why, oh why, did the US need almost 9,000 of them (about 600 upgraded).

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 22 2023 22:13 utc | 442

@Arch Bungle | Jan 20 2023 4:41 utc | 321
I can’t recall any evidence that it ever was!

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 22 2023 23:04 utc | 443

@whirlX | Jan 20 2023 4:09 utc | 306
THE Dutch AVID (General Intelligence and Security Service) dances with MI5 and is a wholly owned CIA operation, willingly working with both in the Skripal, Syrian chemical warfare and DNC anti-Russian operations.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 23 2023 4:30 utc | 444

@DDK | Jan 20 2023 10:18 utc | 371
Twain’s “The War Prayer” is a much better piece of writing and far more accurate
The War Prayer
by Mark Twain
It was a time of great and exalting excitement. The country was up in arms, the war was on, in every breast burned the holy fire of patriotism; the drums were beating, the bands playing, the toy pistols popping, the bunched firecrackers hissing and spluttering; on every hand and far down the receding and fading spread of roofs and balconies a fluttering wilderness of flags flashed in the sun; daily the young volunteers marched down the wide avenue gay and fine in their new uniforms, the proud fathers and mothers and sisters and sweethearts cheering them with voices choked with happy emotion as they swung by; nightly the packed mass meetings listened, panting, to patriot oratory which stirred the deepest deeps of their hearts, and which they interrupted at briefest intervals with cyclones of applause, the tears running down their cheeks the while; in the churches the pastors preached devotion to flag and country, and invoked the God of Battles, beseeching His aid in our good cause in outpouring of fervid eloquence which moved every listener. It was indeed a glad and gracious time, and the half dozen rash spirits that ventured to disapprove of the war and cast a doubt upon its righteousness straightway got such a stern and angry warning that for their personal safety’s sake they quickly shrank out of sight and offended no more in that way.
Sunday morning came — next day the battalions would leave for the front; the church was filled; the volunteers were there, their young faces alight with martial dreams — visions of the stern advance, the gathering momentum, the rushing charge, the flashing sabers, the flight of the foe, the tumult, the enveloping smoke, the fierce pursuit, the surrender — them home from the war, bronzed heroes, welcomed, adored, submerged in golden seas of glory! With the volunteers sat their dear ones, proud, happy, and envied by the neighbors and friends who had no sons and brothers to send forth to the field of honor, there to win for the flag, or, failing, die the noblest of noble deaths. The service proceeded; a war chapter from the Old Testament was read; the first prayer was said; it was followed by an organ burst that shook the building, and with one impulse the house rose, with glowing eyes and beating hearts, and poured out that tremendous invocation —
“God the all-terrible! Thou who ordainest! Thunder thy clarion and lightning thy sword!”
Then came the “long” prayer. None could remember the like of it for passionate pleading and moving and beautiful language. The burden of its supplication was, that an ever-merciful and benignant Father of us all would watch over our noble young soldiers, and aid, comfort, and encourage them in their patriotic work; bless them, shield them in the day of battle and the hour of peril, bear them in His mighty hand, make them strong and confident, invincible in the bloody onset; help them to crush the foe, grant to them and to their flag and country imperishable honor and glory —
An aged stranger entered and moved with slow and noiseless step up the main aisle, his eyes fixed upon the minister, his long body clothed in a robe that reached to his feet, his head bare, his white hair descending in a frothy cataract to his shoulders, his seamy face unnaturally pale, pale even to ghastliness. With all eyes following him and wondering, he made his silent way; without pausing, he ascended to the preacher’s side and stood there waiting. With shut lids the preacher, unconscious of his presence, continued with his moving prayer, and at last finished it with the words, uttered in fervent appeal, “Bless our arms, grant us the victory, O Lord our God, Father and Protector of our land and flag!”
The stranger touched his arm, motioned him to step aside — which the startled minister did — and took his place. During some moments he surveyed the spellbound audience with solemn eyes, in which burned an uncanny light; then in a deep voice he said:
“I come from the Throne — bearing a message from Almighty God!” The words smote the house with a shock; if the stranger perceived it he gave no attention. “He has heard the prayer of His servant your shepherd, and will grant it if such shall be your desire after I, His messenger, shall have explained to you its import — that is to say, its full import. For it is like unto many of the prayers of men, in that it asks for more than he who utters it is aware of — except he pause and think.
“God’s servant and yours has prayed his prayer. Has he paused and taken thought? Is it one prayer? No, it is two — one uttered, the other not. Both have reached the ear of Him Who heareth all supplications, the spoken and the unspoken. Ponder this — keep it in mind. If you would beseech a blessing upon yourself, beware! lest without intent you invoke a curse upon a neighbor at the same time. If you pray for the blessing of rain upon your crop which needs it, by that act you are possibly praying for a curse upon some neighbor’s crop which may not need rain and can be injured by it.
“You have heard your servant’s prayer — the uttered part of it. I am commissioned of God to put into words the other part of it — that part which the pastor — and also you in your hearts — fervently prayed silently. And ignorantly and unthinkingly? God grant that it was so! You heard these words: ‘Grant us the victory, O Lord our God!’ That is sufficient. The whole of the uttered prayer is compact into those pregnant words. Elaborations were not necessary. When you have prayed for victory you have prayed for many unmentioned results which follow victory — must follow it, cannot help but follow it. Upon the listening spirit of God the Father fell also the unspoken part of the prayer. He commandeth me to put it into words. Listen!
“O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle — be Thou near them! With them — in spirit — we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it — for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.”
(After a pause.) “Ye have prayed it; if ye still desire it, speak! The messenger of the Most High waits!”
It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said.
About the Text: According to Albert Bigelow Paine, whom Twain named as his literary executor not long before he died, Twain dictated “The War Prayer” in 1904-05 and intended it to be published then. However, it was rejected by his publisher. Paine found it among Twain’s unpublished manuscripts after the writer’s death in 1910. Paine published the essay for the first time in 1923 in his collection, Europe and Elsewhere. The text I present here follows Paine’s 1923 text.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 23 2023 4:59 utc | 445