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January 19, 2023
Ukraine – Pressing For Tanks

The German chancellor Olaf Schulz is under pressure from local coalition partners and external allies to allow the export of German Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine.

Scholz so far rejects doing so because the U.S. is not willing to give its own tanks, M1 Abrams types, to Ukraine:

Germany won’t send or authorize the transfer of tanks to Ukraine until the U.S. agrees to give its own, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz told American lawmakers on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum on Wednesday.

The exchange in Davos, described by three people with knowledge of what was said, was respectful in tone but showed just how far apart Washington and Berlin are on a tank deal.

A spokesperson for Scholz didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment. But the chancellor hinted at some kind of arrangement with the U.S. during his Davos address.

“We are never doing something just by ourselves, but together with others, especially the United States, which are very important in this common task to defend Ukrainian independence and sovereignty,” he said.

The U.S. has send its secretary of defense Lloyd Austin to Berlin to pressure Scholz into changing his mind:

Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin met his newly appointed German counterpart on Thursday for talks that have taken on more urgency since Berlin put conditions on tank deliveries to Ukraine.

In a call this week with President Biden, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz stressed that in order for Germany to unlock a package of Leopard 2 tanks for Ukraine, Washington should send tanks, too, according to a German and a U.S. official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the private conversation.

It’s a move Washington doesn’t want to make, citing the high fuel consumption and maintenance burden of the U.S. military’s M1 Abrams battle tanks. Austin is hoping to break the deadlock in Berlin and persuade Germany to send tanks, according to a senior U.S. defense official.

The excuse Washington gives for not delivering Abrams tanks is not really believable. Yes, the turbine driven Abrams is guzzling a bit more fuel than the Leopard’s diesel engine. But a turbine also requires less maintenance than a diesel engine which has many more moving parts.

Aside from the engine the Abrams do not have any significant parts that the Leopards do not have. Training for the use and maintenance of either does not differ in time needed or intensity.

There is also the false impression, pushed by some weapon dealers (in German), that there are ‘hundreds’ of Leopards available. This is nonsense. Not every Leopard is like the other. The most standardized variant is Leopard 2A4 one. In the end Ukraine could receive may be 50 of those. The current German standard tank is the Leopard 2A7 which had three upgrades since the A4 version came out. Various countries have versions in between, often with their own upgraded gun control and communication systems. It would not make any sense from a training and maintenance point to give Ukraine a smorgasbord of various Leopard types. The logistics to support those would immediately become unfeasible.

There are also other issues. Soviet era tanks have a weight of about 40 metric tons. All he ‘western’ Abrams, Leopard, British Challenger and French Leclerc main battle tanks have a battle weight in the 60 metric ton class. I doubt that Ukraine rural roads and bridges were constructed with such tanks in mind. What use is a tank when you can not move it around without destroying your own supply routes?

There is also the important issue of training. This does not only include the technology of the tank but its tactical use in the field. The Turkish experience in Syria showed that bad tank tactics inevitably lead to bad outcomes, no matter how good the tanks are.


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Back to the original issue.

Why is the U.S. rejecting to send Abrams of which it has hundreds readily deliverable in various depots and pre-positioning sites?

The German chancellor seems to think that the U.S. wants to sneak out of its commitment and responsibility for the coming defeat of Ukraine.

“The Germans were responsible for delivering tanks but they did not deliver quickly and not enough of them,” could become a convenient excuse when the neo-conservative Ukraine project fails as it inevitably will. The U.S. could thereby leave Europe on the hook for a dismembered and bankrupt Ukraine. That may happen anyway but it should not be made any easier by letting Germany be pushed into leading the escalation spiral in the U.S. proxy war with Russia.

Scholz should have thought of that when he, at the start of the war, committed his country to the Ukraine project. The consequences were easy to predict:

All energy consumption in the U.S. and EU will now come at a premium price. This will push the EU and the U.S. into a recession. As Russia will increase the prices for exports of goods in which it has market power – gas, oil, wheat, potassium, titanium, aluminum, palladium, neon etc – the rise in inflation all around the world will become significant.

‘Western’ central banks are still at practical 0% interest rates and will be reluctant to increase those as that will cause a deeper recession. This makes it likely that inflation in the ‘western’ world will increase at a higher rate than Russia’s.

The shunning of economic relations with Russia and China means that Germany and its newbie chancellor Olaf Scholz have fallen for the U.S. scheme of creating a new Cold War. Germany’s economy will now become one of its victims.

On February 4 Russia and China declared a multipolar world in which they are two partnering poles that will counter the American one. Russia’s move into the Ukraine is a demonstration of that.

It also shows that the U.S. is unwilling to give up its supremacist urges without a large fight. But while the U.S. over the last 20 years has spent its money to mess up the Middle East, Russia and China have used the time to prepare for the larger conflict. They have spent more brain time on the issue than the U.S. has.

The Europeans should have acknowledged that instead of helping the U.S. to keep up its self-image of a unipolar power.

It will take some time for the new economic realities to settle in. They will likely change the current view of Europe’s real strategic interests.

Now Germany and Scholz are in the mess I predicted at the start of the war. This will not get better by ‘taking responsibility’ for tank deliveries and letting the U.S. off the hook. Scholz needs to be able to point to the U.S. as the power behind the war when the final results come in. So let’s see how long his usual weak backbone will hold him straight.

The U.S is by the way working on further escalation steps in the war by planing new attacks on Crimea:

Now, the Biden administration is considering what would be one of its boldest moves yet, helping Ukraine to attack the peninsula that President Vladimir V. Putin views as an integral part of his quest to restore past Russian glory.

American officials are discussing with their Ukrainian counterparts the use of American-supplied weapons, from HIMARS rocket systems to Bradley fighting vehicles, to possibly target Mr. Putin’s hard-fought control over a land bridge that functions as a critical supply route connecting Crimea to Russia via the Russian-occupied cities of Melitopol and Mariupol.

However, President Biden is not yet ready to give Ukraine the long-range missile systems that Kyiv would need to attack Russian installations on the peninsula.

This week, top U.S. and Ukrainian commanders will hold a high-level planning meeting in Germany to game out the offensive planning, another senior U.S. official said. The drill, the official said, is meant to align Ukraine’s battle plans with the kinds of weapons and supplies NATO allies are contributing.

The U.S. is planning all major Ukrainian operations in the war. It checks what weapons are necessary to pursue those plans. It then orders its NATO clients to deliver the stuff or at least to pay some other country for doing it. When the operation  finally launches it will only be Ukrainian and Russia soldiers who will die in their efforts.

“What is not to like with this,” asks the White House.

Well, I do not think that Russia is willing to be the proverbial slowly boiling frog in this escalation game. It will, at some point, have to strike back at the powers behind the war instead of just at their Ukrainian proxy. I am sure that the Kremlin has already studied the various options to do so.

Comments

Posted by: Theodore Roosevelt | Jan 19 2023 20:53 utc | 124
Likely also due to the purge of NAFO themed bots.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 19 2023 23:54 utc | 201

We have barflies monitoring the temps in Ukraine in anticipation of frozen ground….
The prerequisite for the Macgregor Winter Campaign.
Just pointing out… the only military planners and commentators “on record” for a Russian Winter Offensive are U$.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 19 2023 23:56 utc | 202

Tried to link a short 30 sec bitchute video of the Bundestag today and it seems to not like it at all. The video features a German pol chastising his colleagues regarding panzers in the Ukraine.

Posted by: liveload | Jan 19 2023 23:56 utc | 203

“I have no idea what he expected to accomplish by that. Or what he is intended to convey in the last non-sequitur. There has never been a conflict involving a nuclear power that was crucial for their destiny.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 19 2023 21:01 utc | 129”
You just answered your own question.
His point is that this is a first time a nuclear nation is in this position.

Posted by: Comandante | Jan 19 2023 23:57 utc | 204

Posted by: experienced | Jan 19 2023 20:29 utc | 117
You win stupidest comment of the thread; perhaps the year, but muthaucker may have you beat.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 19 2023 23:57 utc | 205

Big Picture article by Pepe Escobar, “Global South: Gold-backed currencies to replace the US dollar”:

In Golden Ruble 3.0 , his most recent paper, Glazyev makes a direct reference to two by now notorious reports by Credit Suisse strategist Zoltan Pozsar, formerly of the IMF, US Department of Treasury, and New York Federal Reserve: War and Commodity Encumbrance (December 27) and War and Currency Statecraft (December 29).
Pozsar is a staunch supporter of a Bretton Woods III – an idea that has been getting enormous traction among the Fed-skeptical crowd.
What’s quite intriguing is that the American Pozsar now directly quotes Russia’s Glazyev, and vice-versa, implying a fascinating convergence of their ideas. [Links at Original]

I must admit the article was mouth-watering as it’s paradigm changing, and humanity needs that to happen badly. Yes, such a change would be devastating to those of us in the Dollar Zone, but the RoW would view that as karmic payback for the millions murdered, maimed and displaced by the Outlaw US Empire.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 19 2023 23:59 utc | 206

I tried to link a short video clip of a German politician in the Bundestag chastising his colleagues regarding panzers in the Ukraine, but the site seems to really not like the link at all. Even mentioning the site itself makes the post not appear. Weird.

Posted by: liveload | Jan 20 2023 0:00 utc | 207

Gregory (Scotland Yard detective): Is there any other point to which you would wish to draw my attention?
Holmes: To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time.
Gregory: The dog did nothing in the night-time.
Holmes: That was the curious incident.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adventure_of_Silver_Blaze
In desperate times, when a total commitment was required to ensure victory, the nations of the West didn’t hesitate to institute/reinstitute a draft. In World War One, which arguably the United States had no skin in, the government of Woodrow Wilson rode roughshod over its opposition and instituted a draft. Only with the war crime of its invasion of Iraq did America hesitate to reinstate conscription, albeit the policy of stop loss was a form of instituting involuntary service. It’s worth remembering that much/most of America had been gaslighted into thinking Saddam Hussein was connected to the attacks of 911, and yet the Bush administration didn’t dare to start up the draft again. I won’t go into why there’d have been enormous blowback had they tried, and the administration instead depended on those from the lower economic classes to enlist, as the inducements to them grew.
So there is no vast reservoir of flesh in the West that can be pressed into hurling themself at the Russian military, in the face of their artillery and tanks and fortifications.
The media doesn’t comment on how there’s not even a whisper of conscription, no dog barking in the night, but there is talk of possibly provoking a maximum response from Russia by way of having America’s longest range tactical missiles launched from Ukraine at Crimea, and possibly even further into Russia.
The West is too shallow with its supposed convictions to appeal to its youth to fight in Ukraine, but it is insanely brazen enough to project that its willing to bet that Russia won’t escalate its efforts in order to protect itself.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Jan 20 2023 0:01 utc | 208

germans have perhaps something suicidal on them, but are not stupid. they will maybe give their lives for a stupid reason, but only with at least a perspective of winning. germans again are trapped in a similar loose loose situation like 1918 or !945. The first WW actually got ended by the German soldiers and sailors who stopped to cooperate with their officers. Because nobody referenced this little man ever for that, the situation for them up to 45 was created. Now again. Germany on the trigger of unleashing or taming the beast? Germans build this tanks. they know exactly the conditions to make this weapon useful. It is made for an environment of air superiority. under given conditions in Ukraine it doesn’t make sense to proceed. Only US could possibly provide this. For Germany I am start to be sure this will not happen. I followed a bit the parliamentary session today of Bundestag about it. The wideness of reality starts to kick in with them.

Posted by: rico rose | Jan 20 2023 0:02 utc | 209

from DOD

Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III will convene another meeting of the Ukraine Defense Contact Group tomorrow at Ramstein Air Base in Germany. The meeting will be the eighth in a series of meetings, initiated in April 2022, to discuss current and future efforts to provide support to Ukraine in maintaining its sovereignty.
“The contact group has been instrumental in identifying, synchronizing and ensuring the delivery of military capabilities the Ukrainians need to defend their homeland against Russian aggression,” Deputy Pentagon Press Secretary Sabrina Singh said during a briefing today. “The secretary looks forward to meeting with defense leaders from approximately 50 nations that comprise this important group dedicated to Ukraine self defense.”
. . .Singh reiterated to reporters what the U.S. has said in the past: Crimea is Ukraine, and the U.S. will continue to help Ukraine reclaim its sovereignty. “Crimea is part of Ukraine. We’ve long held that position … We certainly support the Ukrainians taking back their territory by any means that they can and whatever weapons they are using. We have not shied away from stating that fact from the very beginning.” . . .here . . . . . .meeting image

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 20 2023 0:08 utc | 210

Melaleuca #188

Nothing the Russians have done military in the sloSMO has made any sense to U$ military planners.
Which is why Russia is going to prevail in this “to the last Ukrainian” proxy war.
They are following their own military plans, and aren’t sharing the details.
I listen and Macgregor. He’s one of the few making sense.
But he has no more clue about what the Russians are planning than any barfly here.
But sure, if no major grandiose gladiatorial contest emerges before March, our favourite trolls here will have fresh material…. Hahaha-Ha …. Russia ”failed” (again)
…. because it didn’t deliver a piece of war theatre only promised by a long former (and out of favour) US colonel.

Thank you and can I add:
Nothing the Russians have done military in the sloSMO has made any sense to U$ military planners and their indoctrinated NATO vassals..
IMO By March the EU public abhorrence to the trench slaughter will be dramatically higher than now. Sure Russia may have only advanced 50 or 100 kilometers but the losses to Ukraine will be ghastly, irreplaceable and likely trigger immense opposition to military service in any form and in any EU country. Time will tell but this is also a test of the endurance of the mesmerising capacity of perpetual msm propaganda and I suspect it will fracture and its grip will collapse.
Russia has set clear performance indicators and no date. Denazification, demilitarisation, protection of Russian speaking people IN UKRAINE. The USNATO team cannot cope with such simple concepts as they demand immediate gratification as if warmongering equated to supermarket shopping. The Russian methodical unhurried approach exasperates traditional military commentators who are incapable of observation and logical interpretation of the other.
Given the shenanigans within the Zelensky leadership team, it is possible the entire centre echelon will not hold until March. The depravity of the nazi supremos will be apparent to enough Ukrainians to potentially trigger revolt and disorder. Meanwhile the leader of the Ukrainian opposition party is safe and well in Russia and there is a chance that there is yet a role for renewed leadership there.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 20 2023 0:12 utc | 211

This is an interesting article. I’m sure it has been linked here (possibly criticized as well) before.
https://prruk.org/the-march-of-folly-resumed-russia-ukraine-and-the-west/

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 20 2023 0:16 utc | 212

liveload | Jan 19 2023 23:56 utc | 202
“Tried to link a short 30 sec bitchute video of the Bundestag today and it seems to not like it at all.”
I encountered the same obstruction yesterday so I suggest you post the channel name (NOT LINK) at bitchute and we can easily find it. Frustrating but its easy work around.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 20 2023 0:17 utc | 213

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 20 2023 0:12 utc | 210
May I add, that after ukie front lines collapse, there will be another shock for whole west.
And that is, Russia will not rush and take huge swaths of undefended land. It will slowly, methodically, enter city after city. Logistics, man power, cleaning, establishing governance as it should.
Russia will not overstretch itself by taking more ground than it can handle at the time. Let ukies suffer, it is not Russian responsibility to take care of them after ukie military run away.

Posted by: Abe | Jan 20 2023 0:20 utc | 214

December1991

Posted by: liveload | Jan 20 2023 0:23 utc | 215

Abe #213
Agreed, and if any punk Pole takes a stab at the border they might just find a bayonet in their foot.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 20 2023 0:25 utc | 216

Down South @105
That listing of countries, a group of fourth-tier midgets, with the standard=bearer being the Mangy old Lion, will really frighten the Russian MoD…like Estonia, Slovakia, the Netherlands…..oooo….Hollywood can do much better in fright scenarios, clear back to the original Zombie Apocalypse and suchlike. So it looks like a freak-show putting a comedy extravaganza.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 20 2023 0:27 utc | 217

I really hate that little punk. [Eric Draitser]
@ Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 19 2023 23:42 utc | 197
Thanks for your thoughts. I might have moved on from visceral hatred of the Counterpunch crowd, in particular, to something like a big “oh well” of adjustment to new lenses. Baraka comments on the only silver lining to the tragedy in Ukraine: hypocrites have brazenly come out of the woodwork. It makes it easier to identify the enemy, when they step right up.
I have to say, after a long, distinguished career from Bill Fletcher, Jr., it breaks my heart to see Ajamu Baraka identifying Fletcher as the enemy. Then again, practically all of my friends and neighbors are in the same weird intellectual wasteland with Fletcher, festooned with tacky, tattered, fading blue and yellow banners. Utterly lost.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 20 2023 0:28 utc | 218

From Twatter:

The German Bundestag has failed to vote on the Transfer of Leopard 2 MBTs to Ukraine and instead redirected the decision to a Special Committee for Review.
They did not vote.

@ Babel-17 | Jan 20 2023 0:01 utc | 207
Well said & thank you. Cheers.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 20 2023 0:30 utc | 219

@ Melaleuca | Jan 19 2023 22:44 utc | 181
Humans are also Primates.
From the Latin, Primatus, meaning First Place or Supreme.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 20 2023 0:34 utc | 220

Glad to hear 50 military generals are meeting to discuss the provision of lethal heavy weaponry to Ukraine. My heart is warmed by the fact this grouping of military bureaucrats (which is what the senior ranks consist of) is planning strikes against Russian territory. Happy this meeting is under the auspicious of NATO members competent to interpret The North Atlantic Treaty Article 1:
The Parties undertake, as set forth in the Charter of the United Nations, to settle any international dispute in which they may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered, and to refrain in their
international relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.

Concerned a large portion of the Eurasian steppe has been relocated to the North Atlantic north of the Tropic of Cancer.
Gob-smacked that Article 6.1 permits Russia to attack and destroy NATO assets as recognized by Article 5 in the reference to Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations.
Ecstatic this confab of bureaucratic decision makers is proceeding with no involvement by a body representative of the citizenry.
Absolutely enthused that these facts go unremarked by the “democratic” press of the free world.
In rapture that I am now being offered the opportunity to meet my maker.
SOURCE:
https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/stock_publications/20120822_nato_treaty_en_light_2009.pdf

Thank you b for your work (and bevin for his quote). Will write you into my will (not as good as it sounds). Hopefully after being “raptured” we all end up in the same location and can further discuss the insanity of the immediate past.

Posted by: Sushi | Jan 20 2023 0:35 utc | 221

@Niranam
I think the Russians are biding their time.
Apart from allowing supplies in, which they will destroy in due course along with the operators, they want as many refugees to leave as well.
Demilitarization and depopulation.

Posted by: AmusedIndian | Jan 20 2023 0:35 utc | 222

Experienced @117
One begins to wonder as to your personal level of potency after that fishing-boat trolling expedition based on hot-air.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 20 2023 0:35 utc | 223

Brazil 🇧🇷 Lula promising weapons to Ukraine? This must not be true…

Posted by: Willian in the unive | Jan 20 2023 0:37 utc | 224

Brazil 🇧🇷 Lula promising weapons to Ukraine? This must not be true…

Posted by: Willian in the unive | Jan 20 2023 0:37 utc | 225

uncle tungsten @210–
Escobar’s in Paris and posted a pic at his VK of the massive throng of protesters, just one of many protests happening throughout France. Yes, they were directed mainly at French government policies, but one of those policies is support for NATO’s war on Russia which has contributed to the economic conditions the French are protesting. As I commented at Pepe’s VK, it’s imperative the protests continue and escalate in size to the point where they spill over borders and motivate other polities.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 20 2023 0:42 utc | 226

aristodemos | Jan 20 2023 0:27 utc | 216
Britain and the BarmyBankrupt BalticBunch.
>Tell me who your friends are, and I’ll tell you who you are… (ie/ a sad and sadly diminished regional power)
>One of Putin’s pre sloSMO speeches. He quoted Kipling. (Something younger Brits would struggle to do).
He cited the character Shere Khan and the yapping Tabaqui … who bark along, servile, ingratiating themselves for scraps.
And here we are: Britain and the Batshit Crazy Banshees. Putin again proving prescient.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 20 2023 0:43 utc | 227

Human DNA is a soup. Ukrainian DNA is a soup. There’s a lot of Mongol in there whether they appreciate it or not. Race, DNA, is a fairly pointless discussion used like religion and even culture to divide us. Useful maybe for anthropologists but not really helpful here. I’m glad we’re done with it. Cheers.

Posted by: Inki | Jan 20 2023 0:43 utc | 228

@Tom Collins
It was the site whose name is 3 letters long and starts with U. The article is by Mike Whitney. And this is not the first time this has happened.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 20 2023 0:45 utc | 229

@ liveload
bitchute video J2Lbmi6Xxo6t
or Search bitchute for:

This Is One Of The Only German Politicians Who Gets It – Decries German Tanks Fighting Russia

@ uncle tungsten | Jan 20 2023 0:12 utc | 210
Well stated & fully concur.
Peace

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 20 2023 0:45 utc | 230

Sushi @220–
Wonderfully crafted comment by you as usual. Sure have missed your contributions!!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 20 2023 0:46 utc | 231

From the Latin, Primatus, meaning First Place or Supreme.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 20 2023 0:34 utc | 219
Land of the planet of the apes declared a few years back it intends to retain primacy in the asia pacific. It seems US leadership at least is a retrograde humanoid species of primate.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 20 2023 0:48 utc | 232

@Aleph Null 38
Draitser- I can certify this from personal experience- doesn’t know the difference between India and Indonesia.
He also supported the headchoppers in Syria as “proletarian rebels against the Assad dynasty”.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 20 2023 0:48 utc | 233

Jan. 18, 2023 @ the WEF panel on peace and security…UKR. the three among others.
Duda of Poland. NATO Sec.General Stollenberg announce Ukraine will become a member of NATO.” Period.
And then there is Canada’s Deputy PM.”What the G7 can, and should do”
Watch at the 12 mins mark Canada’s Min. of Finance, Ms. Chrystia Freeland on the magnificent job UKRAINE is doing… why we support Z “in our own self interest” and on UKRAINE winning; “it will be the biggest boost to global economy.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z022jmXLCA
I need the following question answered:
What is meant by “Immaculate disinflation”? No, not a typo.

Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 20 2023 0:49 utc | 234

@ catdog | Jan 19 2023 23:31 utc | 193
Beg to differ slightly. We’ll know the offensive is big when 404 and the West trivialize their losses!

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 20 2023 0:52 utc | 235

@Sushi | Jan 20 2023 0:35 utc | 220
Ecstatic this confab of bureaucratic decision makers is proceeding with no involvement by a body representative of the citizenry.
German citizens (or any unauthorized citizens from anywhere) aren’t allowed onto Ramstein US Air Force Base, Germany.
. . .which is why. . .

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 20 2023 0:52 utc | 236

unimperiator@144
From the looks of things on your posting, it appears that the Stavka is setting the table. Chances are that not only do the RF forces massively outnumber the Ukes in artillery and armor on the Zap-front; they may also hold a personnel edge. This in spite of the months of conjecture that the Ukes were soon about to mount an offensive taking them back to Mariupol.
So many units have been transferred to the Bakhmut cauldron that any possible offensive on the part of the Ukes is fluff and feathers.
Zap city itself may be the objective within a very few weeks.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 20 2023 0:52 utc | 237

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 20 2023 0:25 utc | 215
That goes without saying, any combatant inside borders not wearing Russian insignia will be treated as enemy, be it Polish, Romanian or Hungarian (I doubt we will see them as Orban is too smart).

Posted by: Abe | Jan 20 2023 0:59 utc | 238

Seems like a lot of effort to re-enact the 1944 Eastern Front, though I must admit NATO have gone to great lengths to capture the mood of that conflict: fanatics, dwindling regulars, press-ganged troops, a multitude of different weapon systems with differing logistical requirements, limited artillery ammunition, futile offensives, cauldrons, wonder-weapons and a sycophantic, propaganda-spewing press that keeps it’s civilians ignorant or cowed. Oh, I nearly forgot, and a plot against a drug-addled GROFAZ.

Posted by: Milites | Jan 20 2023 1:00 utc | 239

Any thoughts on a Khrizantema?
https://youtube.com/shorts/G1KepfZCfCM?feature=share

Posted by: Inki | Jan 20 2023 1:03 utc | 240

Peter au1@155
Russians are closely following their battles of attrition-plus on those pressure-points. First one of those points to break will experience far heavier pressure. If the ground is hard enough, the pressure-gauge will pop to the top of the bulb…and then and there all hell will break lose.
Currently the three big points are Seversk in the north, Bakhmut in the center and Zap to the southwest. Good possibility that the Russians are holding fairly heavy armored and mechanized units some 30-50 KMs behind all three candidates.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 20 2023 1:04 utc | 241

For the record — Deputy speech in German Bundestag, DeepL-translated, emphasis mine:

Petr Bystron (AfD):
Dear Madam President, dear colleagues! First and foremost: Dear colleagues from the CDU/CSU! This is an interesting approach that you are taking here: German tanks against Russia in Ukraine. Your grandfathers already tried that, by the way, back then with the Melnyks and Banderas.
(Renate Künast (BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN): Nah! Russian tanks against Ukraine!)
What was the result? Unspeakable suffering, tens of millions of deaths on both sides and, in the end, Russian tanks here in Berlin. Two of them are standing there in front. You should walk past them every morning and remember.
(Applause from the AfD – Dr. Joe Weingarten (SPD): Says the flyspeck party! – Dr. Marie-Agnes Strack-Zimmermann (FDP): History lessons weren’t your strong point, were they? More like physical education!)
Foreign policy, dear friends, is not about sending tanks around, but diplomacy, the search for balance, for understanding, for compromise. Unfortunately, all those – and this applies to all parties – who pursued this approach were vilified in this House last year. This also applies to former foreign ministers and former chancellors. Everyone who has stood up for German interests has been defamed as a Putin whore. Anyone who has stood up for American interests has been hailed as a savior of Ukraine. Both are wrong.

German original, ctrl+f “daran erinnern”: bundestag.de/dokumente/protokolle/vorlaeufig/20079-929964
Nota bene 1: AfD is framed as “populist” and “nationalist” by the MSM.
Nota bene 2: Strack-Zimmermann chairs the Bundestag defense committee and has close ties to Rheinmetall, Germany’s biggest gear in its MIC.

Posted by: Nervous German | Jan 20 2023 1:06 utc | 242

@ karlof1 #205 with the latest Pepe Escobar link….Thanks!
I liked this quote

Off the record, New York banking sources admit the US dollar would be “wiped out, since it is a valueless fiat currency, should Sergey Glazyev link the new currency to gold. The reason is that the Bretton Woods system no longer has a gold base and has no intrinsic value, like the FTX crypto currency. Sergey’s plan also linking the currency to oil and natural gas seems to be a winner.”

I keep thinking that the creation of a value based money is the weapon needed to win the SMO in Ukraine

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 20 2023 1:06 utc | 243

@sushi 220
thx for the fun!
you might enjoy this one:
by Jon Schwarz from The Intercept in 2021 – (former Saturday Night Live staff writer)
“Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
Monday’s summit showed how the “North Atlantic” Treaty Organization has decided it has an extremely expansive global mission.”
https://theintercept.com/2021/06/15/meet-nato-the-dangerous-defensive-alliance-trying-to-run-the-world/

Posted by: AG | Jan 20 2023 1:11 utc | 244

Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 20 2023 0:49 utc | 233
Interesting to hear Stoltenberg saying Ukraine becomes a nato member. Last time he said that it can’t become a member while “war going on”. Technically Russia has not declared war on Ukraine, but let’s just assume they are at war.
That’s the elephant in the room. Zelensky has declared a national law that their government can’t negotiate with Putin. I think it’s finally beginning to dawn on Stoltenberg and his handlers that there won’t be any negotiation. There will just be an end of resistance at some point, continued by mop up on that area, which can last for years. There will be emptiness and silence for the area constituting “Ukraine”, borderland.
The best they can do is setup a puppet government somewhere and us it as a banner to keep attacking Russians. But who cares at that point, it’s an empty shell.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 20 2023 1:12 utc | 245

karlof1 #225
Thank yo and I did see Pepe’s post at his telegram referencing Paris.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 20 2023 1:15 utc | 246

A war run by the same globo=peedo clowns and criminals, from the same centralist tyranny, driven by the same dystopian insanity which is trying to create the same but king sized regime controlled by the same overlords who are psychopaths.
Thats all well and good but no matter how they want to run their precious war for world dominion, it is a war waged without the dire primary principles of war all credible winning Warriors employ, must use, have to go by in order to win.
With this cabal and its khazarian mafia/Rothchild madmen politicizing everything is what they do, it is dead nuts obvious it is all they can do and the last thing they will do is give their military commanders the power and free reign they require to fight and win against the Russians and their alliance allies, who are by method by strategy by act, the absolute complete opposite in regards war than this global crime gang.
Good luck to them. Because almost impossible luck is the only thing going for them. They will get their worthless arses handed to them when the Russians gloves come off and they go total war. And with the types of generationally superior missile weapons system the Russians have there is no place on earth to hide now.
One hypersonic they have now in operational service has a speed of 24,000kph, a target error tolerance of 3 meters, they do not need tactical nukes with the level of kinetic energy a 400lb warhead delivers at that speed. Its range is 4000 kilometers, the speed is so fast no NATO radar can follow it. Can you say decapitation strikes. There is a video on rumble shows a crater left from the kinetic warhead, it is mind boggling huge, totally vaporized everything that was in a Ukrainian foreign legion merc compound. Drop one of those on the swamp would be nothing left. And no radiation. If only….

Posted by: mtnforge | Jan 20 2023 1:16 utc | 247

…german folks will refuse to go to war outside the borders. He knows that his army is weak and except the green warmongers his public opinion won’t support a war.
Look at the french ! Their today’s interest is mostly the lenght of their working life time and Macron is a moron supported by not more than ¼ of the french population. Having not even made any national service, his only goal is the destruction of the french welfare state to make Ursula happy. No soldiers, no fodder among them.

Posted by: Baerenkopf | Jan 19 2023 22:37 utc | 177

Thanks for taking us to the next big step for Russia. While we still focus on the Ukrop theater, officials both in D.C. and the Kremlin are thining about the next moves, if not already done yet.
Some thoughts, some speculations, and nobody of us really knows what’s going on in the Washington—Moscow back channels which still are maintained.
1— U.S. support for Ukraine will diminish throughout 2023 as costs are spiraling out of control. Joe Biden might not even make this year’s turkey pardon.
2— Scholz had a great teacher in his predecessor Angela Merkel: sit out problems, just let the dust settle and silently (mis)handle things backstage.
3— Scholz knows about Germans’ reluctance to “go to war”.
4— EU chief puppet von der Lügen in Davos just called for Kriegsanleihe 2.0, private investors to support Ukraine. This also indicates that EU is running out of money.
5— Both EU and the US can only print so much money. Inflation is of major concern to politicians who want to be reelected.
6— The infighting within the EU and NATO will grow proportionally to inflation.
7— Which brings us to the endgame, as Ukraine is just the appetizer to satisfy Russia’s security architecture demands: Germany, and by extension France and Italy.
Scholz should have figured this out by now, while Ursula still poses as the tough, blonde, blue-eyed strongfrau Goebbels would be proud of.

Posted by: Nervous German | Jan 20 2023 1:20 utc | 248

One would think that, with all these offensives being planned, NATO would be sending AVRE and specialised mine clearing vehicles. I think this new tranche of vehicles is being prepared for a ‘fire brigade’, role to counter what they obviously think is going to be a classic Russian offensive. NATO stupidly calculated a winter pause would allow Ukraine to rebuild and re-equip, whilst holding on to the pre-war defensive line. Now that Russia has, in two weeks, breached that line and captured, or is close to capturing, it’s key bastions, providing jump-off points for potentially numerous avenues of attack, they are panicking.

Posted by: Milites | Jan 20 2023 1:21 utc | 249

ucletungsten@192
Imagine a Yank tank slogging through the Pripet Marshes which straddle a significant section of the Belarus/Ukraine border.

Posted by: sristodemos | Jan 20 2023 1:25 utc | 250

Tom Q.C. @197
Judging from the name Draitser likely has ancestors from the Pale of Settlement. Some people are “special” when it comes to being a boobtoob presenter.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 20 2023 1:28 utc | 251

@ nathan in WA US | Jan 19 2023 21:18 utc | 138
I’m crying from that (loosely-translated) Putin quote.
One-a the darkest and funniest ever.
OMG.

Posted by: John Kennard | Jan 20 2023 1:28 utc | 252

Posted by: mtnforge | Jan 20 2023 1:16 utc | 246
A “malfunctioning” Kinzhal or Zircon in a certain villa in Davos at a certain time of the year might be a good place to start.
Then send condolences about the tragical accident.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 20 2023 1:29 utc | 253

@ Milites | Jan 20 2023 1:00 utc | 238
As always, bravo. Sadly though, so very true indeed.
@ psychohistorian | Jan 20 2023 1:06 utc | 242

I keep thinking that the creation of a value based money is the weapon needed to win the SMO in Ukraine

Rest assured, you are far from alone.
Will say it again, the accelerating pace of fundamental change in just less than 12 months is … remarkable .
Peace
@ Milites | Jan 20 2023 1:21 utc | 248

… being prepared for a ‘fire brigade’ …

Too little, far too late, still months away & no Air or AD. Materiel constitutes in actual deliverable combat power, a mish-mash, incoherent, inadequately skilled or trained, lone reinforced Mech Brigade ? Ha !
Not exactly even up to Boy Scout level ‘Be Prepared‘, certainly not ‘Forewarned is forearmed‘.

Now that Russia has, in two weeks, breached that line and captured, or is close to capturing, it’s key bastions, providing jump-off points for potentially numerous avenues of attack, they are panicking.

Oh yeah.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 20 2023 1:42 utc | 254

Babel17 @207
Not only does conscription for foreign wars go over like the proverbial fart in church, there is already a nefarious backdoor method for getting boots on the ground. It’s called the National Guard. Theoretically, they are answerable to the governors of their respective states. Whether by maladministration of a totally corrupted court system or even both in tandem; the fukkin feds have slickered their way into sending N.G. units into a number of foreign adventures in recent years.
The National Guard, by Constitutional adherence, exists precisely to guard the Nation…not its alleged interests on behalf of highest finance capital along with the WarDefense industry, the largest single cash-cow for those same Bank$ters. They should be retained as the bulwark for a nation in peril, not for a puppet regime pushing aggression.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 20 2023 1:43 utc | 255

aristodemos | Jan 20 2023 1:04 utc | 240
I am a bit of two minds. Will Russia exploit a weak point with big arrow WWII moves which can be costly in men and material, or will it be more like an Asian freshwater fish farm at harvest time. A net across the pond with men evenly spaced through the chest deep water moving the net forward.
For a bit, the train loads of latest upgrade tanks made me think big arrow stuff, but now more inclined to think otherwise. As in Asian fish harvest.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 20 2023 1:47 utc | 256

@Tom_Q_Collins 211
thx for the Richard Sakwa text
What does strike me as odd: at least in this analysis, Sakwa seems to expect the Russian state to give up what he would never ask Europeans or the US to give up, national sovereignty and self-determination. And that´s disingenuous.
(I am saying that as a fan of his scholarship normally)
It is nice and well to argue in favour of some quasi-anarchosyndicalistic model replacing an old-fashioned Russian nation-state, a model that would work on the basis of cooperation and negotiation and grass-roots communication and trade beyond the limited democratic means of classic nations – because that would be the only solution for what Sakwa is suggesting – (namely a demilitarized and entirely civic Russia that has capitulated to the US) – but he would never seriously expect the US Senate for instance to do that very same thing in return – giving up its militaristic ideology and destructive economic thinking.
He would never suggest the US ought to dismantle its MIC even though it of course should do exactly that for the sake of us all.
Sakwa would never argue, the US or Britain or France should finally become a real democracy, demilitarized and civic –
Sakwa tries to play the game of political realistic analysis and then while playing bends the rules.
Yet, what´s good for the gender, as Mearsheimer would say.
Or does Sakwa really believe that laying down arms by the Russians in a completely fictional scenario would truly come with love, happiness, prosperity and egality for all Russians?
After all that happened in the 1990s?
If he is asking the ultimate question – the question in German we like to call “Gretchenfrage” – why then will he not play it out in full view of the powers at play on all sides:
That the West would give a damn about the plight of Russian people after a Russia has been completely disintegrated and robbed by its most important resources.
How can he expect a US government to care about some Russian people 10.000 miles away if is incapable of showing a little remorse to its own American citizens?
Sakwa knows the past but he struggles no understand the current happenings.

Posted by: AG | Jan 20 2023 1:48 utc | 257

@ Outraged | Jan 19 2023 20:49 utc | 121
What a pathetic farce.
It really is.
At some point one really feels sorry for Ukraine dancing on NATO/US deceptive intentions and narratives.
But it also enrages us the people living in the West knowing all this, while it is done asking nobody nothing, by the people not elected by anyone ever and in our name.
I am actually rather surprised that a year ago nobody twitch-reacted to rabid messages being sent “to arm the Ukraine for peace”.
How crazy was that sounding way back then and how crazy it is now?
I understand that Hungarians were not happy with blowing the tunnels and railroads where their minority lives in SW Ukraine, but nobody cares about Polish border and a nearby NATO delivery points and transport hubs. That should be easy to neutralize, but risky too as, so far, Russia was restrained and rather overly tolerant towards NATO/US.
I do not believe that such quantum state will persist once when RF is fully powered and ready to go for the win. It would be a probably a hard decision to make, but I believe a just one, the one that will give it a momentum needed to win hands down.
Europe is filling with weapons of all sorts, mimicking resolve, while in reality it can not win anything in a conventional way.
Barking on Crimea is the last scream, before watching their fixed prize slipping away forever.
If NATO/US want to go all-in, farce would be even bigger.
It would be easy for them too to reneger promises they gave to Ukraine as in “as long as it takes.” So, how long? That long.
Whet I know is when all this is done with, there will be a dire consequences of this war dragging through EU for many years to
come, with obligatory weapons black-markets, and crazed veterans shooting people at random in cities across the continent.
And best of it all NATO is still marketing itself as defensive in nature.
In reality NATO is a cynical weapons merchant, with genocidal tendencies towards RF and indirectly Ukraine as a collateral, to itself suicidal.
To us living in EU possibly deadly.
All this while Nazism is suddenly tolerated among Western population and Fascism is driving MIC and a big business to an attempt in overrunning and stamping on the non-aligned or in-line democracies and single-handedly taking over politics bringing it all its intentions blatantly on the open. And they are not nice, prosperous and a fun to live with. And the whole continent economically devastating in the long run.
So how anyone in EU can be for what NATO/US stands for and creates at this very moment? Real farce, again.

Posted by: whirlX | Jan 20 2023 1:51 utc | 258

@ Melaleuca | Jan 19 2023 22:44 utc | 181
Any military history that ignores Sherman’s handling of his troops on the March to the Sea or Grant’s terrible war-ending focus on the Army of Northern Virginia is sadly lacking.

Posted by: John Kennard | Jan 20 2023 1:54 utc | 259

psychohistorian@242
The RoW will storm towards a values based currency. The following tsunami will hit the Five Eyes and The EU as well. Of course, I’m not talking about the governments, but the people. Even those modestly wealthy with a few millions hanging around would jump at the opportunity for protecting their wealth. In the then U.S., prior to 12-23-1913, the cost to send a first-class letter was two cents. Today that same 1st Class is 55 cents. That’s the measure of inflation in 110 years.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 20 2023 2:01 utc | 260

@ sushi.. welcome back!

Posted by: james | Jan 20 2023 2:07 utc | 261

Peter au1@255
Seems like the Russians may be leaving those two disparate options open. Should it come to pass that the Ukie forces in any of the three major points do happen to internally collapse (they already are virtually bereft of armor and even trucks) then that chaos of confusion could become the focus of a long, broad arrow, with small units detaching into creating cauldrons of fleeing Ukies…and provided that white flags are presented, those survivors would be presented with bread and salt…the traditional offering of assistance and friendship for both sides.
Continued resistance by cohesive forces would once again experience the death of a thousand artillery shells.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 20 2023 2:13 utc | 262

CNN
‘They have us over a barrel’: Inside the US and German standoff over sending tanks to Ukraine
The Biden administration is stuck in a standoff with Germany over whether to send tanks to Ukraine ahead of a key meeting of Western defense leaders in Germany on Friday.
In recent days, German officials have indicated they won’t send their Leopard tanks to Ukraine, or allow any other country with the German-made tanks in their inventory to do so, unless the US also agrees to send its M1 Abrams tanks to Kyiv – something the Pentagon has said for months it has no intention of doing given the logistical costs of maintaining them.
“They have us over a barrel,” a senior Biden administration official told CNN Thursday, adding that the Germans are demanding tanks for tanks, and not budging on considering any other offers the US has made to spur Berlin to send the Leopards. . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 20 2023 2:18 utc | 263

Ukraine tank sergeant: ‘We’re tired of fighting Putin with rubbish kit
A reliance on battered Soviet-era hardware is a source of frustration for soldiers as Kyiv intensifies its appeals for help from the West
Sergeant Serhii Kyraev, on a T-72, described how he came across Russian forces when they were each on the same model of T-64 tank. “The trouble was, I had no ammunition,” he said
The breakdown in Bakhmut was not staged, but the 24th Mechanised Brigade could hardly have put on a better show of its men’s demands for better kit.
A battered-looking Soviet-era T-62 stood parked against the wall of a block of flats behind the front lines in Bakhmut, the Ukraine war’s most heavily contested town. Behind was its back-up, a BMP-2 armoured fighting vehicle, also of Soviet vintage. The problem was that the BMP would not start.
We are so tired of working with stuff like this,” its driver, Sergeant “Spider” Bogdan, said. “Would we like to have a Challenger instead ? What do you think ? It would be a gift from the heavens (To switch to reliance on battered UK derelict mothballed MBTs).”
With that, he got in, and another BMP drove up behind his vehicle’s.

The Times (UK)
Brit propaganda, meet Captain Obvious.
The Challengers 2 arrivals, one-day, months away, will be drawn from the <79 that were not selected for refurbishment/upgrade back in '06, after being considered to be literally, scrapped ... UK has not manufactured Challengers for many a year, nor it's unique rifled Tank Main Gun ammunition, which is in short supply ... what was that about ... 'I had no ammunition' ?

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 20 2023 2:19 utc | 264

Peter AU1 | Jan 19 2023 19:28 utc | 103
>Extending sanctions to China, India, Turkiye and Putin’s pet parrot ….
Agree, none of these … and especially the budgie, are going to sing along with the U$EU on that.
Yet another example of double down double down idiocy. The arbitrage all 3 countries are enjoying by suddenly finding themselves in that sweet, sweet, ancient spot of the middle man. These ancient civilisation-nations are not going to relinquish this without a considerable compensation and coercion.
And what the double-double-doubledown dummies don’t understand… the backdoors are now all that’s keeping global trade afloat.
They think by gumming up the backdoors it’ll block Russia from accessing western goodies… they still haven’t understood Russia’s “almost” autarky, and their own precipitous vulnerability if they lose access to Russian raw materials.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 20 2023 2:23 utc | 265

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 20 2023 0:45 utc | 228
OK, thanks. UNZ. I’ve never had any issues linking there. Let’s try it here…
Attempting to post Whitney’s latest “Is the Hammer About to Fall?”
https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/ukraine-is-the-hammer-about-to-fall/

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 20 2023 2:24 utc | 266

@Aleph_Null and Biswapriya Purkayast
Draitser stands out to me for the reasons Biswapriya mentions about the headchoppers in Syria (“moderate rebels”) and his completely bogus anti-empire leftism on Ukraine-Russia-NATO. The kid is a veritable NAFO troll at this point and a particularly grating one as well. His videos and articles always leave out important contextual information and on purpose. He roundly dismisses anything that might show the Russian position from a different angle than the common anti-Putin narrative. I don’t think I have a visceral dislike of any of the other Counterpunch authors, but I do tend to take what’s written there in the past several years with a big grain of salt. St Clair’s “Roaming Charges” is often entertaining, and he devotes a lot of it to the emerging climate catastrophe (I usually ignore that part b/c it’s too depressing) – but some of the other commentary there smacks of controlled opposition (as much as I don’t really like using that term, despite having done so here a couple of times in the past 3 days).

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 20 2023 2:28 utc | 267

@Tom_Q_Collins 211
another take by Richard Sakwa in cooperation with Andrej Krickovic:
“War in Ukraine: The Clash of Norms and Ontologies”
from the Dec. Issue of the Journal Of Military And Strategic Studies
https://jmss.org/article/view/76589/56331
longer and braoder in scope I believe. Have just started on it.
Interesting on China-Russia it seems.

Posted by: AG | Jan 20 2023 2:29 utc | 268

Posted by: John Kennard | Jan 20 2023 1:28 utc | 251
“@ nathan in WA US | Jan 19 2023 21:18 utc | 138
I’m crying from that (loosely-translated) Putin quote.
One-a the darkest and funniest ever.
OMG.”
Dark, yes. Funny, no. Loosely translated or not,it certainly does convey the fact that the Russians are willing to fight to death. Fight to death is really truly understood only by those who have encountered facing do or die situations. Sorry I don’t have the link to the actual speech video, maybe someone will post it and you can see for yourself how serious Putin looks when he says it and read the captions when he says it.

Posted by: nathan in WA US | Jan 20 2023 2:33 utc | 269

@ my 262
…the Germans are demanding tanks for tanks, and not budging on considering any other offers the US has made to spur Berlin to send the Leopards
…offers. . .and no doubt some threats
So we have to accord Scholz an attaboy, right?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 20 2023 2:35 utc | 270

The West is escalating incrementally, perhaps for political consumption, regardless seems apparent both tanks and long range missiles will eventually end up in Ukraine. The only real unknown is the Russians response, currently they are dealing with the Western weapons and still advancing in Donbass. If their territory starts to be hit and people die then the population will demand retaliation. At what point do they hit the providers of the weapons pretending not to be actively involved in the war?
No sane person wants a world war, but seems the Russians will be tested as to how much they can take.

Posted by: Organic | Jan 20 2023 2:38 utc | 271

Strykers will change the equation! . s/. . .image here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 20 2023 2:40 utc | 272

Re: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 19 2023 18:07 utc | 60
Sounds just like the assumptions made about the brotherly and inter-related Ukrainians & Russians – after all – most Ukrainians are native Russian speakers.
Of course, Ukraine & Russia have been leveraged against each other since 2014 – about 9 years. Given that long period of time it’s no wonder the Ukrainians & Russians are now fighting a bloody internecine war!!
In contrast, Taiwan & China have only been leveraged against each other since 1949 – only 70 years ago!!
Do you have any concept of time Bungle?

Posted by: Julian | Jan 20 2023 2:41 utc | 273

I must admit the article was mouth-watering as it’s paradigm changing, and humanity needs that to happen badly. Yes, such a change would be devastating to those of us in the Dollar Zone, but the RoW would view that as karmic payback for the millions murdered, maimed and displaced by the Outlaw US Empire.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 19 2023 23:59 utc | 205
Herculean Karlof1 is the best descriptor of your contributions here. Many thanks.
Indeed, one of Pepe’s best. Those who dismiss the gold-backed currencies are in for a shock.
The R5 have amassed that very barbaric metal. The extent of their gold holdings are always understated…. What they have and what is declared. R5 have the wherewithal for the proposed gold-backed currencies; mined and proven reserves in ground.
Brazil = gold mining
Russia = gold mining. Sanctions against buying Russia’s gold is most beneficial
India = heavy accumulator. Gold is cultural, Indian citizens are encouraged to own gold
China = gold mining and now the world’s largest gold producer
South Africa = gold mining
U.S.government claims to have 8,133 tons, unaudited since 1950s. In 2013 Germany requested return of its 370 tonnes of gold from NYC Fed vault, the reply was “give us 7 years to complete the transfer”
The old adage: if you can’t see it, or feel it…can you trust the custodian?

Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 20 2023 2:42 utc | 274

I keep thinking that the creation of a value based money is the weapon needed to win the SMO in Ukraine
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 20 2023 1:06 utc | 242
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Agree. China probably has the most experience with a value based money (largely in agricultural products) and Russia is catching up fast starting with an oil backed currency. Africa and South America have much to contribute as do Iran and India.
The US and Europe have instead used their currencies in many destructive and exploitative ways which are now being successfully challenged.

Posted by: financial matters | Jan 20 2023 2:42 utc | 275

Melaleuca | Jan 20 2023 2:23 utc | 264
I feel like somewhere between 2014 and now I fell into Alices rabbit hole and woke up in wonderland. The outback towns. Everyone of them at the center is a memorial with the names of the war dead. The stockmen and rural workers that died in France and Belgium. In the now population centers those old monuments are overgrown with urbanization and wokism.
My grandfather, an avid volunteer, after one year in the trenches wrote in his diary – Never again will we leave these sunny shores to fight another foreign war.
I want to see the ending but the Russians are slow as fuck saddling up. Very much Sun Tzu and Clausewitz. I drink my bankcard as I wait.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 20 2023 2:48 utc | 276

Likklemore @273–
Thanks for your reply. It would be great if b were to have a global finance as a thread topic as it usually goes to an open thread. Many of us barflies think the financial aspect a component of the overall war, not just its Ukraine segment, so IMO such a thread would prove worthy as there’s much now to place there–far more than one year ago.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 20 2023 2:52 utc | 277

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 20 2023 0:12 utc | 210
Seems reasonable theory in unreasonable times. There has been no need to rush the SMO. Rush to where? Ukraine possibly denazifying itself. My understanding Ukraine opposition was polling higher than Z before being outlawed. They can’t all have left. Alternative to SWIFT developing apace. Its sounding very Black Knight.

Posted by: Inki | Jan 20 2023 3:06 utc | 278

Joint Statement – The Tallinn Pledge
A joint statement by the defence ministers of Estonia, the United Kingdom, Poland, Latvia and Lithuania; and the representatives of Denmark, the Czech Republic, the Netherlands, and Slovakia.

It least this clarifies exactly who the biggest idiots in Europe are.
The first five are no surprise at all – perhaps a little surprising to see Denmark & Netherlands there – but they do have history on Russia when you look at it!!
This also clarifies to Russia who they should be talking to – none of these none countries – stick to Germany, France, Italy, Bulgaria, Romania, Spain, Portugal, Greece and of course Hungary.
Russia should be trying to drive a BIG BIG Wedge between these 9 and the rest of European NATO.
One way would be to suggest that the signatories to the Talinn Pledge have all voluntarily put themselves at the top of the Nuclear Strike Targets List – while the other countries aren’t!!

Posted by: Julian | Jan 20 2023 3:07 utc | 279

Posted by: Julian | Jan 20 2023 2:41 utc | 272
Sounds just like the assumptions made about the brotherly and inter-related Ukrainians & Russians
I was waiting for that.
Except that it’s not.
(By the way, I personally never really bought this Ukrainian-Russian fraternal thing: Ukrainians are “Russian” and vice versa to a certain extent and then no more … after that they’re Galicians, Tatars, Cossacks etc. and Russians and have no links at all. The same doesn’t obtain in the Taiwan/China scenario where you have overwhelmingly Han Chinese – 95% in Taiwan)
I used the example of a certain Han Chinese family in Taiwan and the celebration of Chinese New Year because it is something I regularly encounter during my work in the region: It is a common pattern and one that has been in place for decades. It is a powerful linkage.
There are significant links between Taiwan and the mainland at all levels of society. You’d have to have spent a significant amount of time studying the Han to understand
what these links mean in terms of how an entire culture will react in times of war.
If you’ve spent any amount of time among the Han you’d understand how averse they are as a collective and on individual scale to this kind violence – in general.
Combined with the aforementioned family, clan and cultural ties it’s extremely unlikely they’ll spring into battle the moment Uncle Yanqui drops his hat.
You don’t have the Ukrainian split into Galicians and ethnic Russians – you’re dealing with Mandarin speaking Han Chinese here. Essentially one civilisational group and more likely united by actual clan ties across the straits.
But this is not how Gringos think, right?
For a Gringo, the whole Han family/cultural thing goes “WHOOSH!” overhead!
And that’s why the Yanquis have miscalculated the entire Taiwan thing.

Do you have any concept of time Bungle?

Do you have any experience and understanding of Han family and cultural ties across the Taiwan straits?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 20 2023 3:12 utc | 280

Babel-17 | Jan 20 2023 0:01 utc | 207
Sherlock and the no-bark dog. Thanks.
Yes the “no draft” is a tell.
A draft would mean “we” are going to war. …
“Why?” “To defeat Russia”
>…”But. I thought Ukraine done that theyselves I done put a flag on me profile. You tole me that Russia so weak, a pixel flag would cancel them”. ….
This connects to the post by Baerenkopf | Jan 19 2023 22:37 utc | 177
That 150+ million Europeans still remember the last war, and don’t want another.
They may be ambivalent towards or even hate Russia. But they know they don’t want to poke and enrage the bear.
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Opport Knocks | Jan 20 2023 0:34 utc | 219
Humans are also Primates.
Huh. Golly-G-Damn… No limit to the erudition dispensed at this bar.
But servings of nuance and insinuation, are, contradistinctly, parsimonious and rudimentary.
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Patroklos | Jan 19 2023 21:51 utc | 156
Have a love-hate with my autocorrect. Even after a protracted tussle with the bastard, I will see a comment once posted …. And realise the sneaky SoB has skunked me yet again. ….Yes, yes, yes… turn it off… and then who is there to blame…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 20 2023 3:15 utc | 281

” Race, DNA, is a fairly pointless discussion used like religion and even culture to divide us. Useful maybe for anthropologists but not really helpful here.
Posted by: Inki | Jan 20 2023 0:43 utc | 227 ”
Forensic pathologists seem to find it interesting though. Ultimately, race is just skin color. There are absolutely no differences , between the races . in skeletal structures, hair types, IQ’s, maturation rates, survival strategies and so forth.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26270337/

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Jan 20 2023 3:19 utc | 282

Talinn Pledge
This neatly divides European NATO into two.
STUPID NATO
We want to fight Russia – FOR REAL!! We want War with Russia!! Please Target Us Russia!!!
STUPID NATO: Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Netherlands, Poland, Slovakia & United Kingdom (9).
SMART NATO
We are just ‘going along to get along’ – we are not stupid enough to start a war with Russia because of some silly Ukrainians!!!!
SMART NATO: Albania, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary Italy, Luxembourg, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Norway, Portugal, Romania, Slovenia, Spain, Turkey. (18).
If you do a color coded map of Europe you can see six of these countries in North-Eastern Europe that are just putting themselves forward as potential invasion targets – plus three others that are asking for a missile strike!
Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania would obviously be easy pickings and if Poland, Slovakia (which both border Ukraine) and Czechia want to put themselves forward as potential desserts? Well, I guess that is up to them….

Posted by: Julian | Jan 20 2023 3:30 utc | 283

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Jan 20 2023 3:19 utc | 281
Forensic pathologists seem to find it interesting though. Ultimately, race is just skin color.
It’s also bone density apparently:
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/97/12/4329/2536344
Conclusions:
Factors associated with ethnicity affect BMD and fracture risk through direct and indirect mechanisms.

(FYI – I’m not arguing race matters. As an “alloy”, it means nothing in my case, certainly)

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 20 2023 3:31 utc | 284

Patroklos | Jan 19 2023 21:51 utc | 156
I would have to be one of the worst for typos, poor wording and poor grammar. This culture thing. It seems to have two meanings. On one side is the fine arts of a wealthy country, on the other it is the sum total of nations history. It is interesting that those interested in fine arts write about those that make culture, make history. And then there is the question of what is fine arts.
Just yesterday a mate came around. I told him about old Jerry who walked the last mob across the Tanami. Jerry told me about the bloke that ran the mail to birdsville he knew him. In doco
s he is described as a big burly bloke. Jerry said to get5 across the dunes he would r4oll the drums across and to reload them would line them up beside the truck, pull the bungs out and with a couple of fingers in the the bung hole lift them onto the truck.
Bunge had no issues lifting a 44 onto the back of a ute. A big bloke smacked him in the face at a piss up and all that achieved was a bandaged hand.
Another, a hook in both hands stacked wool bales. He was a shearer. In pub brawl .. left hand behind the head to steady it and right hand incoming finished it.
Scribblers write about what others do.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 20 2023 3:35 utc | 285

@ Niranam 4
I would say that until a foreign MIC item has engaged with Russia on behalf of Ukraine, it can be considered to belong to NATO. NATO declaring war against Russia on the BBC isn’t the same as Biden, it’s just provocation. Once the user goes into action it is Ukranian, and fair game.
If Biden does declare war, he’ll get a Prime hypersonic Amazon delivery service before he’s booked his item. Before checkout even. A fuckload more. This could be why Russia Bides her time. It is only a matter of time before the inevitable delivery happens. But NATO’S Mastercard of nuclear retaliation won’t work when Biden presses ‘Confirm’. His Khazarian nuclear subcontractors retain the microchip that works the Red Button .

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 20 2023 3:37 utc | 286

Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania would obviously be easy pickings and if Poland, Slovakia (which both border Ukraine) and Czechia want to put themselves forward as potential desserts? Well, I guess that is up to them….
Posted by: Julian | Jan 20 2023 3:30 utc | 282
Your detachment from reality is noteworthy. Russia has neither the capability nor the skill-set to invade anybody. Here we are 1 year into the SMO and Russia is conducting another mobilization, to maintain the status quo static front.

Posted by: Muthaucker | Jan 20 2023 3:37 utc | 287

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ #Chronicle of the #SMO for 19 Jan 2023⚡️
♦️#Russia’s Border Areas:
▪️ AFU launched a missile strike against the Unechsky district in the #Bryansk region, but air defences shot down all enemy shells.
▪️ The AFU terrorists also struck the settlements of #Leninskoye, #Dolgoye, #Tserkovnoye and #Balki in the #Belgorod region, damaging civilian infrastructure and power lines. No casualties.
♦️#Starobelsk Direction (MAP):
▪️ In the #Kupyansk – #Svatovo section, Ukrainian units supported by armoured vehicles have launched an offensive on #Novoselovskoye from the southwest. Enemy units have approached the local railway station and are waiting for reinforcements to continue their attack towards #Kuzemovka from the northwest. #Novoselovskoye itself is still in the “grey zone”.
➖ The AFU command is moving additional personnel and equipment into the area to reinforce the grouping.
▪️ In the #Liman sector, the enemy also expects Russian offensive in several directions. Units from #Donetsk and other areas are being moved closer to the line of contact.
➖ The AFU airborne assault troops plan to attack Russian positions near #Dibrova.
▪️ Ukrainian terrorists launched a massive strike against the LPR Belovodsk district with UAVs, most of the devices were shot down by air defence. One drone hit the mechanical workshop of the Derkul Stud Farm, the building was damaged.
♦️#Soledar Direction (MAP):
▪️ After the liberation of #Soledar and #Sol station, Wagner PMC fighters are advancing towards #Blagodatnoye, as well as on the AFU strongholds at the #Krasnopolye – #Razdolovka – #Veseloye line.
▪️ Northeast of #Bakhmut (#Artyomovsk), fierce fighting is taking place for Krasnaya Gora and #Paraskovievka. The enemy command is deploying additional units of the Territorial Defence to this site, some of which refuse to fight.
➖ The AFU intends to attack positions of Russian paratroopers on the #Shevchenko – #Podgorodnoye line in order to keep control over key roads in northern #Bakhmut.
▪️ In #Bakhmut itself fierce fighting is ongoing in the southeast of the city. “Wagnerians” have taken control of several high-rise buildings in the south of the city and have advanced in Zabakhmutka. The AFU command is rotating and reinforcing the enemy grouping with mobilised civilians.
▪️ Southwest of #Bakhmut, Wagner PMC assault troops liberated the village of #Kleshchiyevka, knocking out the 3rd Assault Brigade and the Territorial Defence from the settlement.
Fighting is still going on in the vicinity of the village, but its liberation and the capture of a fortified area nearby allows to take the Chasov Yar – #Bakhmut highway under fire control and provides another “entry point” into the city from the southwest.
♦️#Donetsk Direction:
▪️ The enemy terrorists continue their strikes on #Donetsk, #Gorlovka, #Yasinovataya and other surrounding settlements of the #Donetsk agglomeration, there are civilian casualties.
♦️#Zaporozhye Direction (MAP):
▪️ In the #Orekhov sector, Russian troops are scouting AFU combat positions on the Malaya Shcherbaki – #Stepovoye and Malaya Tokmachka – #Nesterianka lines. An unexpected attack on the strongholds of the 65th Mechanized Brigade and 128th Separate Mountain Assault Brigade forced the enemy to retreat, leaving behind four settlements, according to some reports.
➖ The AFU command intends to launch a counterattack shortly to retake the lost territories. Most of the villages near the line of contact are in the “grey zone”.
▪️ In the #Pologi sector, Ukrainian formations are also preparing for an offensive by the RF Armed Forces, reinforcing their positions with machine gun crews and ATGMs.
▪️ The AFU moved additional artillery pieces to the area of #Iskra and #Kamyshevakha on the border between the DPR and #Zaporozhye region in case of a possible offensive by Russian forces on Bolshaya Novosyolka.

https://t.me/sitreports/3543

Posted by: Down South | Jan 20 2023 3:41 utc | 288

Monkey with a grenade – Washington plans to transfer long-range ammunition to Kiev
A shortage of shells is forcing the US to rely on precision weapons. A new military aid package for the Ukrainian Armed Forces may include GLSDB land-launched guided bombs.
The weapons are based on a solution that uses decommissioned M26 rockets with cluster warheads. Their engines were combined with a GBU-39 guided bomb, resulting in a precision-guided missile capable of engaging targets at ranges up to 150 km.
Launched from the HIMARS, the engine propels the GBU-39 to an altitude approximately equivalent to that of a fixed-wing bomber, after which it plans for the target as if it had been dropped from a bomber.
The GBU-39 is a successful munition. The bomb’s small EPR (only 0.015 m²) makes it difficult to counter even modern SAMs. The GBU-39 of the first versions (aka SDB) costs only $40,000. Considering that the motors are taken from decommissioned missiles, and the adapter is simple to produce, the cost of such a system is comparable to that of the Geranium.
The Americans have enough old M26 missiles and GBU-39 of the first series, so soon we may see thousands of GLSDB. But it’s not all bad. First, mass production of GLSDBs has not yet been rolled out. The first deliveries are expected in spring and are unlikely to be mass-produced. Secondly, our SAMs have already encountered GBU-39s in Syria, and the Pantsir can shoot them down.
Also, there is no information yet about launches at >130 km range, so perhaps the GLSDB characteristics are somewhat overstated. The payload of the bomb is relatively small, only 93kg, and does far less damage than conventional HIMARS strikes.
Still, handing over the GLSDB to the VSU is serious. The enemy will have the means to affect our rear. All liberated territories are at risk of being hit, as well as parts of Crimea. Moreover, Bryansk, Belgorod, and Kursk (including the nuclear power plant) are in the strike zone.
No one can guarantee that the Kiev regime will limit its strikes to only those within the scope of the SSR. Supplies of long-range ammunition led to an escalation of the conflict.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/29692

Posted by: Down South | Jan 20 2023 3:44 utc | 289

Do you have any experience and understanding of Han family and cultural ties across the Taiwan straits?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 20 2023 3:12 utc | 279
What you don’t get is that Taiwan has been FREE since the civil war, while China has been a totalitarian (but you like that don’t you?) state. Once Free, people don’t give it up lightly to live again under despots.
Thats the dynamic you are seeing in Ukraine. Free Brothers fighting enslaved Brothers. Bank on free people to win.

Posted by: Muthaucker | Jan 20 2023 3:44 utc | 290

“Supplies of long-range ammunition led to an escalation of the conflict.”
Posted by: Down South | Jan 20 2023 3:44 utc | 288
I keep hearing that Medeyev Bullshit. Supplies of long-range ammunition will lead to Russia’s defeat.

Posted by: Muthaucker | Jan 20 2023 3:47 utc | 291

❗️Full list of the next US $2.5 billion military aid package for Ukraine:
– Additional anti-aircraft missiles for NASAMS;
– 8 short-range air defense systems AN / TWQ-1 Avenger;
– 59 M2 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles with 590 TOW anti-tank missiles and 295,000 25 mm ammunition;
– 90 Stryker armored personnel carriers with 20 mine rollers;
– 53 armored vehicles class MRAP;
– 350 HMMWV armored vehicles;
– 20,000 155-mm artillery shells;
– About 600 155-mm high-precision M982 Excalibur projectiles;
– 95,000 105-mm artillery shells;
– 11,800 120-mm mortar mines;
– Additional ammunition for HIMARS;
– 12 transport-loading vehicles;
– 6 command and staff vehicles;
– 22 armored vehicles with TOW anti-tank systems;
– additional missiles AGM-88 HARM;
– about 2,000 anti-tank missiles;
– more than 3,000,000 cartridges for small arms;
— equipment for destruction of obstacles;
— anti-personnel mines M18 Claymore;
– night-vision devices;
spare parts and other field equipment.
As for the good news, despite the appearance of information about the possible transfer of GLSDB precision-guided munitions with a range of about 150 km to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they were not included in this package.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/29741

Posted by: Down South | Jan 20 2023 3:47 utc | 292

In the Western press, the topic of the murder of a banker and a member of the delegation of the first negotiations between Ukraine and Russia was again raised by the SBU.
We immediately wrote that he was killed by the SBU and radicals, pointing out that there were thousands of such murders at the beginning of the war throughout Ukraine. The radicals and the SBU killed everyone without trial or investigation, realizing that the West gave them a “green light” for this.
Time will come and many things will come up and many will change their opinion about many things.

https://t.me/legitimniy/14590

Posted by: Down South | Jan 20 2023 3:50 utc | 293

One way would be to suggest that the signatories to the Talinn Pledge have all voluntarily put themselves at the top of the Nuclear Strike Targets List – while the other countries aren’t!!
Posted by: Julian | Jan 20 2023 3:07 utc | 278
Again with the Death Cult BS. You do understand the concept of MAD and how it has prevented nuclear war for 75 years don’t you? No, I suppose you don’t.

Posted by: Muthaucker | Jan 20 2023 3:50 utc | 294

🔥🔥🔥 Danger of ten Soledars
What was the tactics of PMC “Wagner” (or as the RF Ministry of Defense calls them – “volunteer assault squads”) in Soledar? By exerting constant pressure “on the forehead”, the Wagnerites forced the transfer of significant reinforcements and ammunition of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the city. In clusters at the time of the transfer, artillery and MLRS were constantly working. When several waves of reinforcements were flooded with artillery, assault detachments entered from the flanks and cut off part of the supply routes. After that, everything repeated. The fewer supply routes, the greater the percentage of transfer losses.
Something similar was used by the RF Armed Forces in the Severodonetsk operation. Toga also SU suffered significant losses at the time of the transfer, when there was only one road left. Those. The RF Ministry of Defense uses the tactics of a slow offensive well, in contrast to the high-speed light breakthroughs of February 2023.
And imagine what will happen if the Armed Forces of Ukraine have to fight off 10 Soledars at the same time?
Perhaps this is how the Russian General Staff wants to cause an overstrain of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
Accumulations of troops in Belarus are very likely needed for a similar purpose. There is a version that their task will be like this:
✅ cross the border with Ukraine, enter the territory and dig in at convenient positions;
✅ At the same time, it will not hold any settlements or objects of the task;
✅ The Armed Forces of Ukraine will be forced to react, to transfer reinforcements to the area;
✅Here they are (just like those parts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that were transferred to Soledar) and these forces and the art behind them (including on the territory of the Republic of Belarus) will hit;
✅If the APU ignores those who have gone to a depth of 10 km. from the border, the attackers will be tasked with moving 20 or more kilometers;
✅ In case of serious resistance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the forces may retreat back to the territory of Belarus – there is no task to stay in an inconvenient place. The main goal is to pull the troops over and exhaust them away from the Donbass.
At the same time, the media picture will maximally disperse the panic moods – “the Russians are seizing new territories, the goal is to cut off Ukraine from the Western border.”
If 2-3 such centers appear in the north of Ukraine, in the terminology of Arestovich, “it will be extremely unpleasant.”
It is problematic to transfer units across the country to different places in the Zhytomyr, Rivne, Volyn regions in the face of power outages. So they will try to pull the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the most fortified Donbas🧩

https://t.me/legitimniy/14589

Posted by: Down South | Jan 20 2023 3:52 utc | 295

@281 deplorable commisar
Can’t tell if you are being sarcastic, facetious, or are stone cold serious with your claim that there are no differences between the races.
That is a patently false statement.
If there was a means to measure intelligence objectively, and I am not saying there is, though there are subjective means that for all intents and purposes approach objectivity, then the cultures that live in northern climates furthest from the equator are the more adaptive brains with the ability to plan agriculture, harvest, and storage. There is a problem-solving aspect at play here that is not present amongst African tribes that reside near the equator.
The harsher the environment, the more adaptive and on guard the species. Look at the frekin dodo, which lost all its ability to fight back and to reach for food that was far away. If there is no struggle, then what is the point of adaptation? You are denying nature itself when you say there are no differences between geographical people and or races.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 20 2023 3:52 utc | 296

Former Canadian Chief of Defence Staff, now lobbyist for Ukrainian World Congress: Interview
https://youtu.be/fx0N9Y–lzg
“German-made battle tank could tip the war in favour of Ukraine…why Germany is reluctant.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 20 2023 3:56 utc | 297

It seems motherfucker has been given a schedule of do or die. The hardships of working in a troll factory sweatshop.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 20 2023 3:57 utc | 298

@Muthaucker | Jan 20 2023 3:44 utc | 289
China has been a totalitarian (but you like that don’t you?) state.
The contribution of Chinese travelers to global tourism used to be No. 1 in the world. There were 155 million international trips by Chinese travelers in 2019, spending about US$245 billion in total. . . .And they all came back!

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 20 2023 3:58 utc | 299

Julian @278
Let it be known that I am utterly opposed to the introduction of nukes into the equation. It is a Pandora’s Box. Once opened it may never be closed. Please consider this consideration before you advocate nuke strikes again.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 20 2023 3:59 utc | 300