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January 19, 2023
Ukraine – Pressing For Tanks

The German chancellor Olaf Schulz is under pressure from local coalition partners and external allies to allow the export of German Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine.

Scholz so far rejects doing so because the U.S. is not willing to give its own tanks, M1 Abrams types, to Ukraine:

Germany won’t send or authorize the transfer of tanks to Ukraine until the U.S. agrees to give its own, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz told American lawmakers on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum on Wednesday.

The exchange in Davos, described by three people with knowledge of what was said, was respectful in tone but showed just how far apart Washington and Berlin are on a tank deal.

A spokesperson for Scholz didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment. But the chancellor hinted at some kind of arrangement with the U.S. during his Davos address.

“We are never doing something just by ourselves, but together with others, especially the United States, which are very important in this common task to defend Ukrainian independence and sovereignty,” he said.

The U.S. has send its secretary of defense Lloyd Austin to Berlin to pressure Scholz into changing his mind:

Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin met his newly appointed German counterpart on Thursday for talks that have taken on more urgency since Berlin put conditions on tank deliveries to Ukraine.

In a call this week with President Biden, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz stressed that in order for Germany to unlock a package of Leopard 2 tanks for Ukraine, Washington should send tanks, too, according to a German and a U.S. official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the private conversation.

It’s a move Washington doesn’t want to make, citing the high fuel consumption and maintenance burden of the U.S. military’s M1 Abrams battle tanks. Austin is hoping to break the deadlock in Berlin and persuade Germany to send tanks, according to a senior U.S. defense official.

The excuse Washington gives for not delivering Abrams tanks is not really believable. Yes, the turbine driven Abrams is guzzling a bit more fuel than the Leopard’s diesel engine. But a turbine also requires less maintenance than a diesel engine which has many more moving parts.

Aside from the engine the Abrams do not have any significant parts that the Leopards do not have. Training for the use and maintenance of either does not differ in time needed or intensity.

There is also the false impression, pushed by some weapon dealers (in German), that there are ‘hundreds’ of Leopards available. This is nonsense. Not every Leopard is like the other. The most standardized variant is Leopard 2A4 one. In the end Ukraine could receive may be 50 of those. The current German standard tank is the Leopard 2A7 which had three upgrades since the A4 version came out. Various countries have versions in between, often with their own upgraded gun control and communication systems. It would not make any sense from a training and maintenance point to give Ukraine a smorgasbord of various Leopard types. The logistics to support those would immediately become unfeasible.

There are also other issues. Soviet era tanks have a weight of about 40 metric tons. All he ‘western’ Abrams, Leopard, British Challenger and French Leclerc main battle tanks have a battle weight in the 60 metric ton class. I doubt that Ukraine rural roads and bridges were constructed with such tanks in mind. What use is a tank when you can not move it around without destroying your own supply routes?

There is also the important issue of training. This does not only include the technology of the tank but its tactical use in the field. The Turkish experience in Syria showed that bad tank tactics inevitably lead to bad outcomes, no matter how good the tanks are.


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Back to the original issue.

Why is the U.S. rejecting to send Abrams of which it has hundreds readily deliverable in various depots and pre-positioning sites?

The German chancellor seems to think that the U.S. wants to sneak out of its commitment and responsibility for the coming defeat of Ukraine.

“The Germans were responsible for delivering tanks but they did not deliver quickly and not enough of them,” could become a convenient excuse when the neo-conservative Ukraine project fails as it inevitably will. The U.S. could thereby leave Europe on the hook for a dismembered and bankrupt Ukraine. That may happen anyway but it should not be made any easier by letting Germany be pushed into leading the escalation spiral in the U.S. proxy war with Russia.

Scholz should have thought of that when he, at the start of the war, committed his country to the Ukraine project. The consequences were easy to predict:

All energy consumption in the U.S. and EU will now come at a premium price. This will push the EU and the U.S. into a recession. As Russia will increase the prices for exports of goods in which it has market power – gas, oil, wheat, potassium, titanium, aluminum, palladium, neon etc – the rise in inflation all around the world will become significant.

‘Western’ central banks are still at practical 0% interest rates and will be reluctant to increase those as that will cause a deeper recession. This makes it likely that inflation in the ‘western’ world will increase at a higher rate than Russia’s.

The shunning of economic relations with Russia and China means that Germany and its newbie chancellor Olaf Scholz have fallen for the U.S. scheme of creating a new Cold War. Germany’s economy will now become one of its victims.

On February 4 Russia and China declared a multipolar world in which they are two partnering poles that will counter the American one. Russia’s move into the Ukraine is a demonstration of that.

It also shows that the U.S. is unwilling to give up its supremacist urges without a large fight. But while the U.S. over the last 20 years has spent its money to mess up the Middle East, Russia and China have used the time to prepare for the larger conflict. They have spent more brain time on the issue than the U.S. has.

The Europeans should have acknowledged that instead of helping the U.S. to keep up its self-image of a unipolar power.

It will take some time for the new economic realities to settle in. They will likely change the current view of Europe’s real strategic interests.

Now Germany and Scholz are in the mess I predicted at the start of the war. This will not get better by ‘taking responsibility’ for tank deliveries and letting the U.S. off the hook. Scholz needs to be able to point to the U.S. as the power behind the war when the final results come in. So let’s see how long his usual weak backbone will hold him straight.

The U.S is by the way working on further escalation steps in the war by planing new attacks on Crimea:

Now, the Biden administration is considering what would be one of its boldest moves yet, helping Ukraine to attack the peninsula that President Vladimir V. Putin views as an integral part of his quest to restore past Russian glory.

American officials are discussing with their Ukrainian counterparts the use of American-supplied weapons, from HIMARS rocket systems to Bradley fighting vehicles, to possibly target Mr. Putin’s hard-fought control over a land bridge that functions as a critical supply route connecting Crimea to Russia via the Russian-occupied cities of Melitopol and Mariupol.

However, President Biden is not yet ready to give Ukraine the long-range missile systems that Kyiv would need to attack Russian installations on the peninsula.

This week, top U.S. and Ukrainian commanders will hold a high-level planning meeting in Germany to game out the offensive planning, another senior U.S. official said. The drill, the official said, is meant to align Ukraine’s battle plans with the kinds of weapons and supplies NATO allies are contributing.

The U.S. is planning all major Ukrainian operations in the war. It checks what weapons are necessary to pursue those plans. It then orders its NATO clients to deliver the stuff or at least to pay some other country for doing it. When the operation  finally launches it will only be Ukrainian and Russia soldiers who will die in their efforts.

“What is not to like with this,” asks the White House.

Well, I do not think that Russia is willing to be the proverbial slowly boiling frog in this escalation game. It will, at some point, have to strike back at the powers behind the war instead of just at their Ukrainian proxy. I am sure that the Kremlin has already studied the various options to do so.

Comments

Why doesn’t Scholz quit acting like he’s offended and send them some liverwurst, er I mean weapons?

Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Jan 19 2023 19:17 utc | 101

karlof1 | Jan 19 2023 18:53 utc | 93
EU next round of sanctions is intended to plug gaps. I read an article on the other day and it turns out the ‘gaps’ are the countries that do business with Russia. China, India and Turkiye were specifically mentioned. I don’t know if they will start sanctioning the countries that do business with Russia but it seems nothing is to stupid for the clowns of EU and Nato.
If they do bring in those sanctions, it will greatly speed up the already fast change to the multi-polar world.
On Lavrov’s remarks and sobering up Nato. Russia seems to be gearing up for larger conventional war but I am wondering if it will be some non Nato coalition rather than Nato US.
Then there is Japan which seems intent on suicide by attacking China and I can easily see US pushing Japan into a war in Russia’s east at the same time.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 19 2023 19:28 utc | 102

This isn’t a circus, it’s a freak show!
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 19 2023 17:24 utc | 30
Correct. For logistics and training the ideal is one model tank, gun, armored carrier. Perhaps two when replacing an old model with a new one. If Ukraine receives US Abrams, UK Challenger, German Leopard and French Leclerc tanks, you can’t even replace one tank driver with another.

Posted by: Passerby | Jan 19 2023 19:31 utc | 103

Nine countries declared unprecedented military assistance to Ukraine for “victory in 2023”.
▪️Ministers of Defence of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Czech Republic, Denmark, Slovakia, the Netherlands, and the United Kingdom signed a joint statement in Tallinn.
▪️”By joining forces, we are ensuring a dramatic increase in global military support and aiming for it to be as strategic and coordinated as possible.
▪️ New level of combat power will be achieved by combining tanks with air defense and missile defense, operating with artillery groups, and high-precision shelling of Russian command and logistic nodes in Russian-occupied territories.
▪️”We pledge to collectively seek an unprecedented set of subsidies, including tanks, heavy artillery, air defense, ammunition, and BMPs.
▪️All countries promise to call on allies at the upcoming Ramstein meeting to provide planned aid to ensure Kiev’s victory in 2023.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/29660

Posted by: Down South | Jan 19 2023 19:40 utc | 104

“Can someone explain to me why Russia hasn’t destroyed all the entry points for heavy equipment into Ukraine? I was given the impression that they had air superiority, and we all know they have missiles that can reach anywhere in the world. So why haven’t the bridges, roadways, railways, ports, and tunnels leading into the country by which this military equipment would enter been destroyed?”
What an excellent question! I think the answer is that Russia does NOT have air superiority in the conventional sense. The Ukrainian air defenses are good enough to deny the Russian Air Force from flying over Ukrainian territory. Sure, Russia can hit Ukraine with cruise missiles and medium range ballistic missiles, but these can’t target moving things like trains or truck convoys, and are more like pinpricks: they can’t destroy bridges, or area destroy staging areas etc. If you drop a million dollar ballistic missile on a rail line, you will likely miss and do nothing, and if you hit it, you will only destroy maybe 10-20 meters of track which can be easily patched in less than a day.
Not even the vaunted Ukrainian Himars missiles could take out the bridges near Kherson: they had to use multiple super-precise strikes lined up across the width of the bridge, and then multiple times to overload the repair efforts. And there weren’t that many bridges in that area, and nothing Russia has can strike deep into Ukraine with that sort of precision and in that number for all of those bridges…
It would seem to me that what Russia really needs is some sort of stealth drone that can actually fly over western Ukraine without getting shot down, that can loiter and surveil and wait for a train or a truck convoy and then take it out. But apparently, they don’t have that capability (yet). Hitting the power systems seems more achievable – hey, Putin agrees with me! – but so far Ukraine still has enough electricity to support the war effort, although this is still taking Ukrainian resources away from weapons. Maybe if Ukraine ever does actually run out of anti-aircraft missiles, it might be different. We’ll see.

Posted by: TG | Jan 19 2023 19:41 utc | 105

#103
That would be stupid because
– the US also continues to buy Russian oil, not just India, China etc. So, any sanctions against China would show the whole world the racist hypocrisy.
– India is a proud country, they will retaliate for any sanctions against them, they could even team up with China, despite their tense relationship, they could leave the Quad etc.
– if the EU poisons its relationship with India and China, it will seriously lose out on those two markets of the future

Posted by: Nico | Jan 19 2023 19:46 utc | 106

I guess this is the coalition of countries Russia will be in direct war with in the not too distant future. Not a lot of manufacturing power though in this pack of barking poodles.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/joint-statement-the-tallinn-pledge
Joint Statement – The Tallinn Pledge
A joint statement by the defence ministers of Estonia, the United Kingdom, Poland, Latvia and Lithuania; and the representatives of Denmark, the Czech Republic, the Netherlands, and Slovakia.
We the Defence Ministers of Estonia, the United Kingdom, Poland, Latvia and Lithuania; and the representatives of Denmark, the Czech Republic, the Netherlands, and Slovakia met today, 19 January, to reaffirm our continued determination and resolve to supporting Ukraine in their heroic resistance against the illegal and unprovoked Russian aggression. We condemn Russia’s attacks designed to terrorise Ukraine’s people, including intentional attacks against the civilian population and civilian infrastructure which may constitute war crimes. We reject Russia’s ongoing violation of Ukraine’s sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity, and its illegal claims to have annexed Ukrainian territory.
We recognise that equipping Ukraine to push Russia out of its territory is as important as equipping them to defend what they already have. Together we will continue supporting Ukraine to move from resisting to expelling Russian forces from Ukrainian soil. By bringing together Allies and partners, we are ensuring the surge of global military support is as strategic and coordinated as possible. The new level of required combat power is only achieved by combinations of main battle tank squadrons, beneath air and missile defence, operating alongside divisional artillery groups, and further deep precision fires enabling targeting of Russian logistics and command nodes in occupied territory.
Therefore, we commit to collectively pursuing delivery of an unprecedented set of donations including main battle tanks, heavy artillery, air defence, ammunition, and infantry fighting vehicles to Ukraine’s defence. This substantial assistance to Ukraine comes from our own national stocks, and resources illustrating the mutual understanding of the severity of the situation and our commitment to urgently increase and accelerate support for Ukraine. Having made this “Tallinn Pledge”, we shall head to the Ukraine Defence Group meeting in Ramstein tomorrow 20 January and urge other Allies and partners to follow suit and contribute their own planned packages of support as soon as possible to ensure a Ukrainian battlefield victory in 2023.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 19 2023 19:57 utc | 107

Despite the title, “Dmitry Trenin: 2023 will be make-or-break year for Russia,” Trenin’s essay in RT is quite fair, IMO, and this point he makes is important:
“Ukraine is currently the most significant battlefront between Russia and the West, but not the only one. The front of confrontation extends north through Belarus, Kaliningrad, and the Baltic into the Arctic, and south through Moldova, the Black Sea, Transcaucasia, Kazakhstan, and Central Asia. Of particular importance in 2023 are Kazakhstan and Armenia, where the West is actively supporting anti-Russian nationalist powers, and Moldova and Georgia, where it’s attempting to rekindle old conflicts and open a ‘second front’ in addition to the Ukrainian one.”
I have few quibbles with his geopolitical assessments and agree that Russia must again multitask just as soundly and intensively as it did in 2022 while doing more to improve the situation with Russia’s Near Abroad which Trenin closes his essay with:
“[U]nder the influence of last year’s gigantic geopolitical, strategic, and geo-economic shifts, it has become obvious that we need a fundamentally different level of economic and military-political cooperation within the frameworks of the Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU) and the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), respectively. It’s worth noting that in both aspects, Russia-Uzbekistan cooperation looks particularly promising. What is clear is that under the conditions of unprecedented geopolitical tension along the entire perimeter of Russia’s new post-Soviet borders, Moscow will need to invest a lot more attention, understanding, and effort to reap results. This will become one of the key challenges for Russian foreign policy in 2023.”
Of course, the biggest difficulty will be finding a solution to Ukraine. The only solution I see possible is Russia’s presenting a fait accompli to the Outlaw US Empire/NATO by liberating most of historically ethnic Russian Ukraine and adding those lands to the Russian Federation. Russia will gladly let go of Galicia, but Kiev poses a problem as its rightly associated with core Russian history. IMO, a significant part of Russian leadership would like to see Ukraine vanish into the pages of history texts; so, solving that issue politically within Russia will prove complex and troublesome when the war advances to that point. IMO, Russia will find it impossible over the next several generations to avoid the call from European madmen for liberation of what was once Ukraine, although that might change if the European citizenry are able to liberate themselves from the EU/NATO structure that’s captured them.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 19 2023 20:00 utc | 108

The US still has an advantage in submarine warfare … China has become very powerful, but it is still not quite there yet with its sea and air assets.
Posted by: Boo | Jan 19 2023 17:49 utc | 48
To stop Chinese trade with Europe no submarines are needed; a phone call to Ursula will do.
Historically, China traded both inland and by sea. No US submarine is going to stop China and Russia trading. Centuries ago Russia sold silver to China and got tea in return; today Russia will sell gold – or gas – and get electronics and consumer products in return.

Posted by: Passerby | Jan 19 2023 20:08 utc | 109

dh no. 13
“Germany and US keep making excuses not to send tanks. Why don’t they just admit they don’t want to see them burn?”
I laughed long and hard at your priceless question.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jan 19 2023 20:08 utc | 110

The deployment of a squadron of Challenger 2 tanks might seem futile or tokenistic. However, it’s certain that the British will furnish the crews with highly paid contractors with up to $200k for six month tours. Maybe 60 men drawn from the best regiments over the last few decades. It is highly significant. Call them Cardigan’s Ghosts or The Last of the Brudenels.

Posted by: Wokechoke | Jan 19 2023 20:09 utc | 111

This link from my previous post on the Tallinn Pledge also has the weapons list divided by country. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/joint-statement-the-tallinn-pledge

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 19 2023 20:19 utc | 112

UK, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Denmark, Czech Republic, Netherlands, Slovakia make “Tallinn Pledge”: to help Kiev expel Russian forces from Ukraine, ensure Ukrainian battlefield victory in 2023.
Posted by: rk | Jan 19 2023 19:15 utc | 100
Sound’s like a declaration of outright hostilities rather than aid.

Posted by: jpc | Jan 19 2023 20:19 utc | 113

“… Estonia, the United Kingdom, Poland, Latvia and Lithuania;….Denmark, the Czech Republic, the Netherlands, and Slovakia..”
What a list for Great Britain to be part of.
Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania-all run by emigre fascists and obsessively russophobic. The Czech republic, which ought to know better. Slovakia-the other half of Czechoslovakia, the one with the fascist collaboration government. Denmark… And The Netherlands, the City of London’s older brother, the home of the MH17 kangaroo court and the country that began by exploiting/enserfing the peasants of Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania et al.
It’s a matter of time before Canada joins them. But what about the grown ups-France, Germany and Italy?

Posted by: bevin | Jan 19 2023 20:21 utc | 114

Peter AU1 no. 108
And to add onto that link, here is what they promise:
https://www.wired-gov.net/wg/news.nsf/articles/Joint+Statement++The+Tallinn+Pledge+19012023162000

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jan 19 2023 20:28 utc | 115

The trolled are whining again. Fact is “west” doesnt have to evacuate cities because they are getting bombed, Russia has to. They dont have to draft because they dont soldiers dying in ditches by the thousand, Russia has to. All they have to do is sit back and watch their vastly superior human resources and economic power bleed Russia white. Russia has male population of roughly 60m, you can double that and draft everyone from baby to grandpa, thats not enough to defeat the “west” when you are this impotent on the battlefield.

Posted by: experienced | Jan 19 2023 20:29 utc | 116

United States supports Ukraine in an effort to return the territories by any means. US does not yet see the point in providing Ukraine with Abrams tanks due to difficulties with their maintenance – Pentagon Deputy Press Secretary Sabrina Singh

Posted by: rk | Jan 19 2023 20:32 utc | 117

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 19 2023 18:33 utc | 80
Scholz understands the German economic calamity, but he’s under pressure from the liberals and greens, who are basically useful idiots for US liberals and WEF. The reality is that Germany is unable, and unwilling to fund Poland with free money through EU any more. Also that Poland blew up the NS2 pipe doesn’t help matters.
Poland is hugely committed to this war through its inherited Soviet material (already mostly expended), it will now need to replace all that stuff by potentially giving US $10s of billions. Poland will de-facto become the new Ukraine, in terms of GDP/quality of life.
Poland hopes to become the dominant power of EU-rope through means of displacing Germany and grabbing their role, but reality dictates differently. Poland will lose most/all of free money they got used to during their decades of EU, and they may even get to inherit the resource poor sh#thole of Lvov and Volhynia, and get all the rabid nazis to deal with.
Russia will gladly dump them that, and the stuff east of that will most likely become widely depopulated.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 19 2023 20:35 utc | 118

The Poles know when to dump on Zelensky.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 19 2023 20:48 utc | 119

The AFU is unquestionably facing inevitable organizational/structural collapse & the hodgepodge grab-bag of junk, ‘to-be-sent’, in penny packets, in the fullness of time, is a political/narrative stopgap only … of essentially piecemeal, negligibly effective military significance. The vast majority of obsolete AFVs deliver nil combat power nor protection, being 1960’s-1970’s battle taxi’s and non combat capable armored cars.
Operationally meaningless.
No Air Support. No Air Defense. No air Cover. No logistical train or support, armories/arsenals/workshops, beyond a 1000Km long fragile Supply Route ‘thread‘ crossing devastated (infrastructure) Ukraine back to Poland. That the RF can sever any time it wishes, by dropping the few remaining road & rail bridges crossing the Dnieper, it has deliberately left standing.
AFU no longer has trained Infantrymen in significant numbers, nor the ability to conduct maneuver or combined arms warfare even at the sub-unit level. Their artillery & ranged fire assets have demonstrably become an endangered species, and offer ever diminishing limited effective support.
Hence a pattern now forming that the ‘assigned’ trolls are tasked with directly ‘baiting’, attacking & seeking to provoke individual posters. Suggest endeavoring to ignore them, continues to remains best practice.
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Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Czech Republic, Denmark, Slovakia, the Netherlands, and the United Kingdom declared unprecedented military assistance to Ukraine for “victory in 2023”.
LOL. Ho ho ho. Ha ha ha. ROTFLMFAO.
The ~15% of the regular RF forces, and the largely still uncommitted, partially <1% mobilized active reserves & the RuAF, that have already crushed the AFU twice over & stand ready to finish off the shattered, bled white remnants, are surely trembling in their combat booties re such a powerful, capable, unassailable rabble as the newly braggadocios trumpeted 'Mighty Mini-Mice Nine'.
What a pathetic farce.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 19 2023 20:49 utc | 120

But what about the grown ups-France, Germany and Italy?
Posted by: bevin | Jan 19 2023 20:21 utc | 115
Good old Anglo divide and conquer. UK initial ‘security’ Military agreement that included energy was UKI, Poland and Ukraine. A quick look at a map and the allegiance physically separates Russia from the rest of Europe. Land, air and pipelines. This new larger allegiance further strengthened that. Still Britain vs Europe. Back to the good old days of empire.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 19 2023 20:49 utc | 121

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 19 2023 20:35 utc | 119
“Russia will gladly dump them that, and the stuff east of that will most likely become widely depopulated.”
Indeed. Russia has been killing and raping, in that order, people in Luhansk Donetsk and other parts east for quite awhile.

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Jan 19 2023 20:49 utc | 122

I’m seeing a LOT less yellow and blue insignias across the Twitterverse these days,
My impression: There was a fad, and it’s losing steam.
So all the flag wavers have moved on.
Hey! Alex Baldwin has been indicted!

Posted by: Theodore Roosevelt | Jan 19 2023 20:53 utc | 123

The coke head would sign anything :))

Volodymyr Zelenski signed Ukraine’s surrender during an autograph signing. Foreign media reported this.
The document was slipped to the Ukrainian president during his visit to the USA – he was asked to sign it by a maintenance worker, but he rolled up the piece of paper so that it was not visible where Zelenskyy was signing it.
The piece of paper with the surrender signature was sold on eBay for 1,500 dollars.

From: https://t.me/Slavyangrad/29610

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 19 2023 20:56 utc | 124

Indeed. Russia has been killing and raping, in that order, people in Luhansk Donetsk and other parts east for quite awhile.
Posted by: Membrum Virile | Jan 19 2023 20:49 utc | 123
Care to explain?
There will be a wide depopulated buffer area between Poland and what constitutes Donbass. It’s not yet determined that Galicia won’t burn the same way as Donbass was burned by the US-ukie proxy government.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 19 2023 20:57 utc | 125

Posted by: Niranam | Jan 19 2023 16:15 utc | 4
“Can someone explain to me why Russia hasn’t destroyed all the entry points for heavy equipment into Ukraine? I was given the impression that they had air superiority, and we all know they have missiles that can reach anywhere in the world. So why haven’t the bridges, roadways, railways, ports, and tunnels leading into the country by which this military equipment would enter been destroyed?”
Larry’s comment is spot on – “I actually think the Russians are more delighted by this than Ukraine. Reminds me of a scene from Game of Thrones when Tyrion Lannister thanks mutineers for an unexpected gift:”
Russia can keep grinding away as long as UKR keeps showing up within arty range on the frontlines

Posted by: nathan in WA US | Jan 19 2023 20:59 utc | 126

For those who don’t see why the Russians let more used second-hand vehicles into Ukraine, the latest moves around Bakhmut should be explanatory, At the moment the Wagner forces are cutting all the roads that can be used as supply lines – from the South west. Leaving the newest Ukie arrivals in a potential soup bowl, with no more reinforcements. (Dickens, “can I have some more”?) Maximising the number of forces first and then cutting them off to slowly polish them off quietly.
https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1616145467695300612/photo/1
I think there still may be part of a road left for an excape towards the North west.
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Censorship is back.
Alina Lipp has been suspended by Twitter, for showing civilians getting killed in Donetsk from Ukraine/NATO fire.
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Actually it is a simili for the Russian attitude towards NATO. Let them in, cut off the supply lines and support, and then squeeze.
As the NATO/US now is trying to open a second “front” towards Taiwan, they will become over extended, and suffer the same fate that they claim to have used to destroy the USSR. I doubt they still have the means to cover their ambitions. (31 trillion of debt).

Posted by: Stonebird | Jan 19 2023 20:59 utc | 127

People are reacting to the latest (anti) Social Media message from Medvedev:

Backward political good-timers in Davos reiterated: “To achieve peace, Russia must lose”. None of them gets it that a nuclear power’s loss of a conventional war can lead to a nuclear one. Nuclear powers haven’t been defeated in major conflicts crucial for their destiny.

I have no idea what he expected to accomplish by that. Or what he is intended to convey in the last non-sequitur. There has never been a conflict involving a nuclear power that was crucial for their destiny.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 19 2023 21:01 utc | 128

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 19 2023 20:57 utc | 126
“Care to explain?”
Should be pretty self-explanatory. Should I use bold, or capital letters?
Besides, Poland is not going to expand into Ukraine.

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Jan 19 2023 21:05 utc | 129

M1 Abrams “deliveries” have nothing to do with logistics and maintenance. They know AFU/NATO can’t sustain a western armored unit. Anything they send is going to be broken within a short time of arrival. No, what they’re more worried about are the optics of America’s Mighty Tank being rendered into burning scrap without having achieved anything.

Posted by: liveload | Jan 19 2023 21:11 utc | 130

Down South @ 50
In other words Ukraine is conscripting exactly those who should have an automatic deferment. And who could not be replaced, would be much missed were this war to end. Complete desperation and end of the line. And they will not even be good soldiers.
When this conflict ends there will be no Ukraine.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jan 19 2023 21:12 utc | 131

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 19 2023 21:01 utc | 129
” There has never been a conflict involving a nuclear power that was crucial for their destiny.”
I noticed the same thing. And neither is there now. Russia can easily afford lose this one. So can US. Although they would first need to be part of it to be able to lose it. Anyway, only nation that this conflict can be described as ‘crucial for their destiny’ is surely Ukraine.

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Jan 19 2023 21:12 utc | 132

@ Opport Knocks | Jan 19 2023 21:01 utc | 129
what he is trying to say is the west is f*ked in the head if they think russia is going to lose here…. leave your fantasies at home…

Posted by: james | Jan 19 2023 21:14 utc | 133

@Down South 6
Wow.

Posted by: AG | Jan 19 2023 21:16 utc | 134

Opport Knocks | Jan 19 2023 21:01 utc | 129
That is directed at the “Decolonizing Russia” crowd. They put out maps on how Russia will be broken up. Very much the in thing in the US beltway and larger WEF crowd.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 19 2023 21:16 utc | 135

in case you missed this post from Degringolade in the previous post… read it now… it is far more worthwhile then listening to davo talking heads do the circle jerk..
Russia/Ukraine is not a sports competition.

Posted by: james | Jan 19 2023 21:17 utc | 136

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 19 2023 21:01 utc | 129
“I have no idea what he expected to accomplish by that. Or what he is intended to convey in the last non-sequitur. There has never been a conflict involving a nuclear power that was crucial for their destiny.”
It’s quite simple, a nuclear power state cannot be defeated because as Putin said himself, ‘We will go to heaven as martyrs while everyone else will just drop dead’. Defeated implies there is a winner, which in the case of nuclear war there won’t be any.

Posted by: nathan in WA US | Jan 19 2023 21:18 utc | 137

Fred:
It’s because they’re dead Fred.
My point of view is there’s hardly any ordinary Ukrainians left in Ukraine and that Ukraine as a real country stopped existing some time last summer (if it ever truly existed except as some Soviet halfway fantasy and halfway alibi —one can start to wonder).
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Anthony:
Because they’re automated scripts launched by RSS updates (I love RSS so please b do not shut down RSS since they would just spider (or whatever) the site instead if there was no RSS).

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 19 2023 21:24 utc | 138

Someone should tell Medvedev that Russia isn’t in a war. If he’s such a big warrior, he should move his office to Belgorod or Donetsk, not install Pantsir on his office in Moscow.

Posted by: rk | Jan 19 2023 21:27 utc | 139

But a turbine also requires less maintenance than a diesel engine which has many more moving parts.

As a retired Mechanics (on jet-engines, turbine-propelled, and AMX30 tank too), I don’t think so !
Diesel engine are easy to maintain, repare and with basic servicing.
Not at all the same for AGT-1500 turbines.
Need to be returned back to Germany every 1000 hours (2-3 months). And as Ukr use it, possibility of a lot of failed Abrams on the batlefield.

Experiences in Iraq have shown the US Army external link that the Abrams tank will constitute a significant portion of the combat force well into this century, as there are no viable substitutes for it. On the other hand, the fleet’s AGT-1500 turbines are being pressed into service well beyond their intended life. As they wear down and wear out, it has had an increasing impact on the readiness of combat units.

“With the TIGER program in place, commanders at every level will know exactly how much engine life remains in each tank, and be able to execute engine repairs and replacements before deploying to the field.”…“We will deliver performance-based logistics and engineering design improvements facilitating an integrated lifecycle management approach to significantly reduce operating costs while doubling the service life of overhauled AGT1500 engines from 700 to 1,400 hours.”

That’s not new, here is Honeywell TIGER Program.
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/sustaining-the-m1-abrams-us-army-puts-a-tiger-in-its-tanks-01790/

Posted by: La Bastille | Jan 19 2023 21:29 utc | 140

But a turbine also requires less maintenance than a diesel engine which has many more moving parts.

As a retired Mechanics (on jet-engines, turbine-propelled, and AMX30 tank too), I don’t think so !
Diesel engine are easy to maintain, repare and with basic servicing.
Not at all the same for AGT-1500 turbines.
Need to be returned back to Germany every 1000 hours (2-3 months). And as Ukr use it, possibility of a lot of failed Abrams on the batlefield.

Experiences in Iraq have shown the US Army external link that the Abrams tank will constitute a significant portion of the combat force well into this century, as there are no viable substitutes for it. On the other hand, the fleet’s AGT-1500 turbines are being pressed into service well beyond their intended life. As they wear down and wear out, it has had an increasing impact on the readiness of combat units.

“With the TIGER program in place, commanders at every level will know exactly how much engine life remains in each tank, and be able to execute engine repairs and replacements before deploying to the field.”…“We will deliver performance-based logistics and engineering design improvements facilitating an integrated lifecycle management approach to significantly reduce operating costs while doubling the service life of overhauled AGT1500 engines from 700 to 1,400 hours.”

That’s not new, here is Honeywell TIGER Program.
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/sustaining-the-m1-abrams-us-army-puts-a-tiger-in-its-tanks-01790/

Posted by: La Bastille | Jan 19 2023 21:30 utc | 141

james | Jan 19 2023 21:17 utc | 137
I’m a bit tired to fully absorb longer reads like that but a part I did read brings the confusion of the west into stark focus. The west wanted to draw Russia into a war in Ukraine on their own terms. Instead Russia went in on its own terms and now nobody knows what to do. Now they are a bit panicky and throw crockery and whatever else they can find at Russia. To me it seems US is stepping back to become the cheer squad and morale booster for a European war against Russia. Bevin mentioned France Germany and Italy. They as nations, but not always individual political identities, are coming to grasp what has occurred.
When Bevin asked about France Germany and Italy, Merkel and Hollande saying Minsk II was just to buy time needs to be remembered. Old Europe striking back at the Anglo world.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 19 2023 21:32 utc | 142

If he’s such a big warrior, he should move his office to Belgorod or Donetsk, not install Pantsir on his office in Moscow.
Posted by: rk | Jan 19 2023 21:27 utc | 140
I always wondered why Biden, Scholz, Sunak and co. don’t move to Bakhmut. Show real support.

Posted by: Vikichka | Jan 19 2023 21:32 utc | 143

The Russian army is advancing in Zaporozhye, driving out the enemy
▪️Russian troops launched an offensive on a number of sectors of the front in the Zaporozhye region.
▪️Our artillery carried out powerful artillery preparation, and sappers made gaps in minefields.
▪️There is a significant advance in the direction of Orekhov, the enemy is put in a disadvantageous position.
▪️Strategic heights near Orekhov, Gulyaipol and Kamensky are occupied, these settlements and roads to them are under fire control.
▪️Now the positions of the enemy are in full view of our fighters.
▪️The enemy tried to stop the attacks of the RF Armed Forces with artillery, but was partially suppressed by the counter-battery fight.
▪️”Tactical battles continue in the areas of Dorozhnyanka, Mirny, Nesteryanka and P’yatikhatka,” Ukrainian resources report.
▪️In the Zaporizhia direction, Russian units inflicted fire damage on the Armed Forces of Ukraine in areas of more than 15 settlements, in particular, Malinovka of the DPR and Olgovskoye, Gulyaipole, Belogorye, Orekhov, Malaya Tokmachka, Novodanilovka, Novoandreevka, Malye Shcherbaki and Kamenskoye of the Zaporozhye region,” the statement says. in the evening summary of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
https://t.me/geromanat/4592

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 19 2023 21:33 utc | 144

oldhippie | Jan 19 2023 21:12 utc | 132
“In other words Ukraine is conscripting exactly those who should have an automatic deferment. And who could not be replaced, would be much missed were this war to end.”
The empire and the Zionists want, if nothing more, to complete the depopulation of the Borderland to render it open for a new Zionist colonization, as many including Zelensky have said. So they want to eradicate the existing knowledge base, much like the original Nazis worked to do in Poland and the USSR in WWII.
That could even be the basis for a deal with Putin, who has no core dispute with the Zionists and often has dealt with them on a more pragmatic basis than his pathetic yearning to be loved by the West.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jan 19 2023 21:34 utc | 145

Slavyangrad offers a view into the timely deaths of leading Ukrainian nazis:

Kireev’s execution, Bakanov’s resignation, and the disaster in Brovary are symptoms of lingering conflict among Ukrainian power elites
In early March last year, Denys Kireyev, a member of Ukraine’s negotiating team, was killed. At the time, it was reported that the murdered man was suspected of spying for Russia. Kireyev was “liquidated” by a shot to the back of the head, according to the SBU, during his detention. GUR head Kirill Budanov told the WSJ in an interview that without information from Kireev – Kiev would have been taken.
Following Budanov, Mikhail Podolyak spoke today and said that Denis Kireev’s execution (or it cannot be called otherwise) resulted from poor coordination between the GUR and the SBU. And, although the SBU announced his state treason, oddly enough, he was posthumously awarded as a hero of Ukraine and buried in the cemetery next to the former foreign minister.
More than ten months after the event, EADaily called Kireyev a “victim of a showdown” between the State Security Service and the SBU. The then SBU chief Ivan Bakanov, Zelenskyy’s colleague from the 95th Kvartal, who was entirely unfit for the post, was decided to be “pushed around” by colleagues from the SBU. It is believed that the murder of Kireev, a valuable informant, was the reason for Bakanov’s dismissal. As a result, the Kiev-born “brave Ukrainian counter-intelligence” wasted as soon as necessary.
The conflict between the Security Service of Ukraine and the State Intelligence Service obviously did not end with Bakanov’s resignation. The death of the Ukrainian banker was hardly mentioned ten months later by accident. Yesterday’s strange death of the head of the Ukrainian Interior Ministry in a helicopter crash might be another round of conflict among the Ukrainian power elites.

Here: https://t.me/Slavyangrad/29691
Perhaps the good news week will continue to be filled with more news. Once the rollercoaster of revenge and positioning gets underway all manner of surprises might emerge.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 19 2023 21:34 utc | 146

@ james | Jan 19 2023 21:17 utc | 137

Russia/Ukraine is not a sports competition.

Again, agreed. Highly recommended to begin to understand the larger picture, the ebb & flow, & when (or not) & how & why Wars & Operations are supposed to be/are conducted (Hello US/NATO/Ukieland !).
Shout-out to Degringolade. Cheers & prost!.
Especially in contrast to the relentless drivel the trolls & Empire apologists spout.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 19 2023 21:37 utc | 147

Stonebird @128–
I doubt they still have the means to cover their ambitions. (31 trillion of debt).
It appears you read something akin to “Treasury Announces Start of ‘Extraordinary Measures’ as US Hits Debt Ceiling”, where all spending will be cut except for the War Budget and graft for MIC. Wonder what the Fed will do at the upcoming FOMC meeting January 31? Here’s the snippet Shadowstats reported today because the newest data will generate a much bigger report tomorrow:

IN THE NEWS: Updated – Full quarterly year-to-year and quarter-to-quarter contractions were seen in Fourth-Quarter 2022 reporting of today’s (January 19th) December 2022 New Residential Construction, and in yesterday’s (January 18th) Retail Sales and Industrial Production. A likely new formal recession is coming into play, quickly, with further details tomorrow in extended coverage. In December 2022 New Residential Construction reporting, the more-stable Fourth-Quarter 2022 Building Permits series was down for the third consecutive quarter by 40.0% (-40.0%) year-to-year, by an annualized 12.3% (-12.3%) quarter-to-quarter, with the less-stable Housing Starts down year-to-year for the second consecutive quarter by 16.4% (-16.4%) in Fourth-Quarter 2022, and down at an annualized quarterly pace of 12.3% (-12.3%), for a the third consecutive quarter-to-quarter decline.
Yesterday’s (January 18th) Fourth-Quarter 2022 Real Retail Sales (deflated by the CPI-U) was down for the second consecutive quarter at an annualized pace of 2.5% (-2.5%), down by 0.4% (-0.4%) year-to-year, having gained 1.0% year-to-year in the prior quarter. Fourth-Quarter 2022 Industrial Production declined quarter-to-quarter at an annualized pace of 1.7% (-1.7%), having gained 1.8% in the quarter before, with year-to-year growth slowing to 2.8% in the latest quarter from 4.1% in Third-Quarter 2022. A traditional Recession Signal was generated by an annualized Fourth-Quarter 2022 quarterly contraction of 3.1% (-3.1%) in Capacity Utilization, down from “Unchanged” at 0.0% in Third-Quarter 2022. Capacity Utilization never has recovered its August 2018 economic peak.
Yesterday’s (January 18th) Producer Price Index PPI Finished Goods inflation (the only meaningful PPI aggregate) turned negative month-to-month in December 2022, by 1.6% (-1.6%), with unadjusted year-to-year inflation slowing to 8.0%, from 9.7% in December, again, due to the Administration’s orchestrated decline in gasoline prices, which has begun to reverse. That said, Energy Inflation in the December 2022 PPI slowed year-to-year to an unadjusted 9.1%, from 16.5% in November and 21.3% in October, declining month-to-month by an adjusted 7.9% (-7.9%), versus 3.3% (-3.3%) in November and 2.5% in October. Again, full updates follow tomorrow.

What Hudson/Desai call “the Everything Bubble” seems ready to ex/implode. I hope they explore that more deeply in their next show.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 19 2023 21:38 utc | 148

The Zaporozie liberation front rolls over the Ukrainian nazi horde:

Russian Army advances in Zaporozie, pushing the enemy out
▪️ Russian troops have launched an offensive in several sections of the front in the Zaporizhzhya region.
▪️artillery has carried out a powerful artillery preparation, and sappers have made gaps in minefields.
▪️ there is a significant advance toward Orekhov, and the enemy is disadvantaged.
▪️strategic heights were near Orekhov, Gulyaypol, and Kamensky itself; these settlements and roads to them are under fire control. Enemy positions are in the palm of our fighters’ hands. The enemy tried to stop the RF Armed Forces’ attacks with artillery but was partially suppressed by the counter-battery fighting.
▪️”Fighting of a tactical nature continues in the areas of Dorozhnyanka, Mirny, Nesterynka, and P’yatihatka,” Ukrainian resources report.
▪️ Russian units in Zapororozie direction hit the AFU in the areas of more than 15 settlements, in particular, Malinovka DNR and Olgovskoye, Hulaypole, Bilogorye, Orekhov, Malaya Tokmachka, Novodanilovka, Novoandreyevka, Malye Shcherbaki and Kamenske in Zaporizhzhya region”, the evening summary of the AFU General Staff says.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 19 2023 21:41 utc | 149

T-80s also have a turbine engine.

Posted by: catdog | Jan 19 2023 21:42 utc | 150

uncle tungsten | Jan 19 2023 21:34 utc | 146
Marches by widows of the “MIA’s” are now very frequent in different parts of Ukraine. From the videos of Soledar numbers of MIA widows is now greatly increased. Propaganda for domestic consumption is that Ukraine forces still fight in Soledar.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 19 2023 21:43 utc | 151

It’s quite simple, a nuclear power state cannot be defeated because as Putin said himself, ‘We will go to heaven as martyrs while everyone else will just drop dead’. Defeated implies there is a winner, which in the case of nuclear war there won’t be any.
Posted by: nathan in WA US | Jan 19 2023 21:18 utc | 138

Do you really believe that Putin believes that? I don’t. He was just posturing.
As for a “winnable” nuclear war, the hypothetical debate on that question is still open, and most would like to keep it that way.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 19 2023 21:45 utc | 152

They know AFU/NATO can’t sustain a western armored unit. Anything they send is going to be broken within a short time of arrival. No, what they’re more worried about are the optics of America’s Mighty Tank being rendered into burning scrap without having achieved anything.
Posted by: liveload | Jan 19 2023 21:11 utc | 131

Don’t spoil my dream..
Like a heartbeat, drives you mad
In the stillness of remembering what you had
And what you lost
And what you had
And what you lost

The Abrams has been an amazing platform over the last 40 years. Due to various counter-insurgency battles during the war on terror, the Abrams has taken a back seat to dismounted infantry and cavalry units who were fighting insurgents.
However, in a potential armored battle against Russia or China, the Army will have a decided advantage with the various Abrams upgrades.

Posted by: La Bastille | Jan 19 2023 21:48 utc | 153

There is a conflict (actually more than one) involving a nuclear power that is crucial for their destiny (and that of everyone else) going on right now whether people recognize it or not.
Why? Because two nuclear powers say so, the two biggest, and all the rest of them silently agree and position themselves.
So if anyone wants to participate in talking about reality could they please stop pretending everything is all fine and dandy and that nothing can or will go horribly wrong when the next human error in line doesn’t happen in the FAA or your bathroom or kitchen but instead somewhere truly important:
the whole point is that it is suicidal to be in this position (attacking Russia) in the first place.
It’s just too difficult to understand for the asses “in charge” in “the west” but it really shouldn’t be too difficult for anyone here.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 19 2023 21:49 utc | 154

It seems the mobilized forces are now being steadily fed into the front lines. Pressure now mounting on all parts of the Ukraine frontlines rather than a concentrated Russian force for a so called break through. Just ramped up attrition of Ukraine forces.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 19 2023 21:49 utc | 155

Off topic posting question:
If the first sentence of a comment is grammatically garbled, full of spelling errors, not edited or proof read (via the preview function) or awkwardly phrased and poorly written, do you either
i. Give it the benefit of the doubt and struggle on in the hope there might be something useful buried within?
or
ii. Abandon it immediately and move on?
I have to say 9 times out of 10 I do the latter. In my own posts I use the ‘Preview’ function and check it for readability, grammar, spelling. The reach, register and persuasiveness of a comment is enhanced by it (which is no doubt why b included it). B is of course the exception since his idiomatic English is his signature and guarantee of authenticity.
Obviously I will scroll past much of value in the process and the habit unfairly favours native educated speakers of English. But there is much to be said for the idea that good form will amplify good content. You will know the posters who follow this rule and know that they are widely read as a result.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 19 2023 21:51 utc | 156

Re: Posted by: WJ | Jan 19 2023 16:16 utc | 5
You must have missed it – the Big Winter Offensive has now been put off til Spring – again – after the mud hardens!!

Posted by: Julian | Jan 19 2023 21:52 utc | 157

Posted by: Nico | Jan 19 2023 18:31 utc | 77
Not really. Nato is running out of equipment that they can realistically send. With this latest batch of donations and the newest mobilizations, UA could launch one more big offensive. If that fails then it’s over.

Posted by: catdog | Jan 19 2023 21:53 utc | 158

Interesting times.
Country 404 continues to bleed.
The armchair generals continue to misinterpret RF military tactics. Whilst believing the trash propaganda from CIA’s Europa Freedom and Terror Radio. By the creative use of bombed-out Country 404 military wrecks! Along with its tame pets Bellingcrap and the cheap two-air dollar-a-day minnows in the Baltic states.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jan 19 2023 21:55 utc | 159

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 19 2023 21:49 utc | 155
Don’t necessarily need a “massive breakthrough”. Continue attrition and small pokes here and there, in many places of the front with their superiority in artillery, can cause the thing to crack. They have to continuously shuffle troops around to plug holes here and there. Simply not enough bodies to go around.
Though in terms of mobilization now Ukraine is fully stripping its population, so on the short term it might not be an issue. A good comparison are those WW2 stories of people running 10s of kilometers on pervitin (brand of amphetamin). One can run with massive over dosed stimulation for a while, but then you are pretty much dead. That’s the Ukrainian nation. If Russia can manage to ward off the coming waves it’ll effectively be over.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 19 2023 21:56 utc | 160

Stonebird | Jan 19 2023 20:59 utc | 128
Re twitter censorship. For a week or so when Musk was sacking people and making changes eliminating bots ect, I could put in Ukraine as search term, hit latest and get a range both pro Ukraine and Pro Russia. I run onto various bits of information that way. Now the feature “Latest” has been removed and bot and troll factory tweets have returned in a big way with pro Russia tweets consigned to twitter purgatory.
I guess that like Trump, Musk has quickly been brought heel.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 19 2023 21:58 utc | 161

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 19 2023 21:45 utc | 152
“Do you really believe that Putin believes that? I don’t. He was just posturing.
As for a “winnable” nuclear war, the hypothetical debate on that question is still open, and most would like to keep it that way.”
Yes I do. Putin has clearly stated that Russia is on the side of Truth so that would align with what he said about becoming martyrs.
Nuclear war between two nuclear states winnable? No.

Posted by: nathan in WA US | Jan 19 2023 21:59 utc | 162

EU intends to apply secondary sanctions in its next sanctions package ? EU is more important than Russia for all of China, India and Türkiye. Beijing will surely ditch Moscow but I wonder what New Delhi and Ankara will do.

Posted by: Malwen | Jan 19 2023 21:59 utc | 163

karlof1 | Jan 19 2023 21:38 utc | 148
Something similar but your quote is much more comprehensive. It is ALL going down, not just some parts of the economy.
However, the upcoming battles about raising the “debt” limit must be limited, as simply sliding “a bit further down the drain”.
I am not sure that the EU is much better. Correct statistics are hard to come by but “corrected” ones are easier.
****
PS. I have never really understood how MMT stays up, and we even get the “Davos” crowd trying to increase censorship and protect their nests at the same time. The possibility of a major financial disaster has never been so close – and it is an open question if this is why the Russians are still doing a Slow SMO. One sure way to get rid of NATO is to eliminate it’s financial backing, not only the 2% asked of the EU but also of the US “contribution”.
***
PPS. it is minus 7°C here. Central EU/ Switzerland. Mr Winter is arriving slowly but surely.

Posted by: Stonebird | Jan 19 2023 22:00 utc | 164

“It’s a move Washington doesn’t want to make, citing the high fuel consumption and maintenance burden of the U.S. military’s M1 Abrams battle tanks.”
I honestly think that such an excuse is insulting everyone’s intelligence.
If that really was the case then Washington could just send a token number – a 100, perhaps – to Ukraine and insist that those Abrams be held back to defend, oh, I dunno, Lviv.
Well away from the action. Close to the Polish border. Ticks all the boxes and allows Washington to say to Sholz “we did our bit, your turn, baldie”.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jan 19 2023 22:01 utc | 165

Flying Dutchman #145

That could even be the basis for a deal with Putin, who has no core dispute with the Zionists and often has dealt with them on a more pragmatic basis than his pathetic yearning to be loved by the West.

Unlikely imo. Recently three global leaders – Chinese President Xi Jinping, Foreign Minister Qin Gang, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, have clearly expressed their concern over Israel’s continued aggression and oppression of Palestinians.
I expect Putin is very well aware of the means by which successive zionist Israeli governments have enmeshed themselves into the USA political fabric and is likely not inclined to see same in his country.
The sabotage of UK politics by the zionist lobby is also not lost on Russian leadership.
Equally any observer with a clear mind can see clearly the divide and rule mechanism applied by Zionist Israeli governments in their neighbouring nations and particularly in Syria and Lebanon. The belligerence and persistent aggravation, taunting, land and resource stealing is not welcome anywhere near Russia.
After Russia defeating the murderous, conniving nazis in Ukraine, I doubt that there are too many Russian politicians or leaders who would be tolerant of some zio state controlled mass settlement in that country. That would be tragic, stupid and irreversible imo and unlikely to ever happen let alone be encouraged by Russia. Russian leaders are wiser than that.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 19 2023 22:01 utc | 166

Boyo… the elite are triggered as can be easily deciphered by the phalanx of paid dimwits trying to kidnap the discourse from the truth. M,R,B or multi-righteous-brothers… LOL.
Russia, is peeling off the layers of deniability, and the truth is coming out: “the emperor has no clothes!”

Posted by: Arcticman | Jan 19 2023 22:01 utc | 167

Theodore Roosevelt no. 124
“My impression: There was a fad, and it’s losing steam.
So all the flag wavers have moved on.”
Of course they have moved on. They’re sheep. They go where the shepherd tells them.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jan 19 2023 22:02 utc | 168

T-80s also have a turbine engine.
Posted by: catdog | Jan 19 2023 21:42 utc | 150

Yes, but the next Service Garage for T-80 isn’t on Route 66…
And poor failed Abrams complaint
Well, I’m a million miles away, I’m a million miles away
I’m sailing like a driftwood on a windy bay

Posted by: La Bastille | Jan 19 2023 22:02 utc | 169

Peter AU1 @155–
Yep, the big, FEBA-wide aggressive push forward to draw in what remains of reserves. IMO, those being press-ganged (mobilized) and sent directly to the FEBA are to delay the use of those reserves to the last possible moment. The conditions for a rout panic are ripe as the press-ganged have no desire to be turned into humanburger.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 19 2023 22:04 utc | 170

unimperator | Jan 19 2023 21:56 utc | 160
I see comedian led Ukraine is now putting in a big effort to conscript those who were smart enough… or dumb enough to escape to Europe and the west.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 19 2023 22:06 utc | 171

Peter AU1 #151
The widows ranks will swell.
This is a dreadful tragedy and points directly to the need to be vigilant and loud in one’s opposition to, and denunciation of nazism in all its devious guises.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 19 2023 22:10 utc | 172

Peter AU1 | Jan 19 2023 21:58 utc | 161
True, several good independent reporters have been silenced, although Alina Lipp could have been silenced by a request from the Germans who have her on their “bad girls list” She was too brave and honest for them.
I “lost” one Hindu guy who showed mainly superb buidings in India, Russian girls in Uniform and was anti Muslim. So what the censorship is against is an open question. Just trying to kill individuality?

Posted by: Stonebird | Jan 19 2023 22:16 utc | 173

Whats important at all?
I guess its not opinion
so dont get haunted by ghosts bless you all 🙂

Posted by: Macpott | Jan 19 2023 22:30 utc | 174

Peter AU1 | Jan 19 2023 22:06 utc | 171
New Ukie call-ups from Europe.?
These will have to take off their fur coats and stop drinking so much champagne. (Courchevel, France, Ski resort) A whole thread.
https://twitter.com/search?q=courchevel%20bagatelle&src=typeahead_click&f=top
I don’t know if they passed the hat for donations aftrewards.

Posted by: Stonebird | Jan 19 2023 22:32 utc | 175

Stonebird @164–
Thanks for your reply. I’m reminded of Hudson’s mantra: “Debt’s that can’t be repaid won’t.” Russia is one of the very few nations with a healthy economy & financial system. China’s exposure to the dollar makes it less stable, same with India. Iran has no such exposure, but its overall economy needs balance which it’s currently seeking. As Desai and Hudson illustrate, the RoW has long known about the ill effects of too much exposure to the dollar and is finally getting their collective act together to mitigate the damage to their economies when full debt payment is demanded by a defaulting Outlaw US Empire.
The Dollar Zone’s in very deep trouble, but the games continue so the plebs are kept mesmerized. The Euro Zone faces a similar fate because it followed the Empire’s diktat and has cut itself off from the geoeconomic resources that kept it afloat. Its plebs being better informed and organized are beginning to revolt. Yes, the economic aspects are one of several reasons for the slow-SMO.
As for global weather patterns, they are beginning to shift as the two-week onslaughts of atmospheric rivers we were subjected to have ended and a new high-pressure cell is establishing itself over the Northeast Pacific. How that will make other global regions adjust is unknown to me since I don’t follow that as closely as I do geopolitics. I do know that the long-term weather forecasts I was looking at in mid-December said Winter would finally arrive in Europe about now. That does appear to be the case for Ukraine as the recent balmy weather will end Saturday and the freeze will begin.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 19 2023 22:33 utc | 176

@153 “However, in a potential armored battle against Russia or China, the Army will have a decided advantage with the various Abrams upgrades.”
A potential armored battle with China sounds interesting. Will the upgraded Abrams be going in through Tibet do you think? Mongolia or Laos? Perhaps the US can make an arrangement with North Korea to get them in that way.

Posted by: dh | Jan 19 2023 22:34 utc | 177

Bonjour to all talentuous author and contributors..
I’m french, I live 70 km west of the German-French border. I’m a regular reader of all your posts and comments and I found one point on which you don’t focus too much : this is the mood or/and behavior of the german (and french) citizen or average persons.
Is the Ukr SMO a subject of discussion between friends or relatives here: NO !
Are those people aware of the situation in 404: A little bit only thru the MSM propaganda!
Who are the people supported by the average persons ? : only the poor people living without power and electricity? Are they the elites supported by the average people: NO!
Why?
Because, opposite of US citizen who did not face any conflict at home, about 1/3 of the actual 150 millions of froggies/germans are still alive to know very well what War is and means !
On both sides of the border, in every village, almost all families have relatives whose name is engraved on war memorials. 2 Millions young males killed in Germany, 1,3 millions in France in WWI. ; 4,9 millions of German and 570 000 frenchies shot down in WWII…millions of houses destroyed or burnt…
50 million men & women today alive remember how dreadful were the years 1940-1945! All german still have in mind the pictures of the city of Dresden destroyed by the US & British AirForces where 70000 civilians were killed in one single night.
Because the frenchies keep in mind the atrocities made or endure by their cousins, brothers, fathers, friends during the 8 years Algeria war 60 years ago. All of them have in mind the days without food, having to live in ruins for years.
These massive exterminations open the door to a large still existing anti-war opinion, mainly in Germany. Cross the Rhine River today, you will meet mostly worried and anxious people. Are they ready to go to war ? NO ! They are much more encline to prepare and participate to the next month’s carnival ..!
Since WWII, Scholz and the german people still have the russian furia in mind; he will not hurt them with MBTs for 404; 80 years of pacifism will not disappear in a snapshot at Berlin ; Scholz is not a big shot but he spent his life in politics and know very well that the german folks will refuse to go to war outside the borders. He knows that his army is weak and except the green warmongers his public opinion won’t support a war.
Look at the french ! Their today’s interest is mostly the lenght of their working life time and Macron is a moron supported by not more than ¼ of the french population. Having not even made any national service, his only goal is the destruction of the french welfare state to make Ursula happy. No soldiers, no fodder among them.
Both Scholz and micron are the successors of the dishonest Merkel & Hollande who shamefully betray the russian in 2014. They try to save the face, doing minimal tasks, leaving the eastern Europe’s goofs and the hated brits shot their mouth off.

Posted by: Baerenkopf | Jan 19 2023 22:37 utc | 178

Rory Gallagher quoted on MoA! Magic

Posted by: Sam | Jan 19 2023 22:40 utc | 179

uncle tungsten | Jan 19 2023 22:01 utc | 166
“After Russia defeating the murderous, conniving nazis in Ukraine, I doubt that there are too many Russian politicians or leaders who would be tolerant of some zio state controlled mass settlement in that country. That would be tragic, stupid and irreversible imo and unlikely to ever happen let alone be encouraged by Russia. Russian leaders are wiser than that.”
I’d be more confident of that if the Russian political leadership wasn’t still insisting they want to “negotiate”. (Which I assume is a sincere desire and not a PR sop; by all accounts last spring Putin still was all set to fall for the scam again and do a Minsk III before Boris swooped in and saved the Russians from their own gutless leadership.)
Since nothing but time and action could prove that the political leadership really has overcome its fecklessness, truly taken to heart and mind that there can be no negotiation and that the only option is for Russia to impose its unconditional will on the Borderlands, we have to assume Putin would still look for some basis for negotiation. If so, given how the Zionists so far have been relatively laying low compared to the deranged deluded pseudo-belligerence of a Europe which by now couldn’t fight Somali pirates let alone Russia, the Zionists must look relatively sane and practical as potential negotiation partners.
In all this I figure the Zionists are hedging their bets hoping to win either way the war turns out.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jan 19 2023 22:41 utc | 180

That sounds too funny. Here, take a look happens when an Abrams tank meets the “Metis-M” ATGM. They start burning wildly.
These are no more wunderwaffe than T-72. Neither are Leopard 2s, which were lost by dozens to ATGMs and mines in Syria.
https://twitter.com/Trollstoy88/status/1616103032344793091

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 19 2023 22:43 utc | 181

General Surovikin turned to British Defense Minister Ben Wallace with a request to transfer two Challenger tanks to Russia at once.
I don’t know many Russians. I’ve only ever met one.
The more I follow events post-Maiden, the more I appreciate their sense of humour.
Ukraine has a professional comedian as president. But the Russians are actually genuinely funny…
Elmagnostic | Jan 19 2023 17:36 utc | 41
You missed the last alliteration:
Scholz Remarks are:
tankless
thankless
thoughtless
>… Truthless
And tosh
English is a peculiar language:
Primate: a bishop or (eg Leader of Moscow Orthodox Church
Primate: a monkey or ape…
That the U$NATO is now at the point of supplying battle tanks…. And that said tanks are so removed from readiness proves this is not the war they planned.
Fighting an artillery war of attrition on Russia’s front lawn… could not possibly have been on any military planners bingo card.
Commentators in past threads, have trawled through American Civil War battles for similarities and comparisons. One even pondered if Russians study military history.
Dumdum. Der yeah. And they don’t have to make laborious “almost like” comparisons with the short and limited U$ history.
They have centuries of their own _ extensive _ military history to call on.
Their military colleges may spend an afternoon one Wednesday on the American civil war, but that’s about all it would be allocated in a crammed curriculum.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 19 2023 22:44 utc | 182

US tanks use turbine engines which emit shit load of heat which means they are easily detected by Russian sattelite and destroyed with graet missile accuracy

Posted by: zube | Jan 19 2023 22:50 utc | 183

https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/7918600.html

Posted by: Josh | Jan 19 2023 22:52 utc | 184

Second the recommendation for this:
Russia/Ukraine is not a sports competition.
https://aurelien2022.substack.com/p/russiaukraine-is-not-a-sports-competition

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jan 19 2023 22:54 utc | 185

Baerenkopf | Jan 19 2023 22:37 utc | 177
That aspect of European memory of war is something I have wondered about but never seen written about. Very strong in Russia and I think also China.
I live in Australia and for most, war is something that only happens far away. Thanks for posting.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 19 2023 23:03 utc | 186

#4 Why don’t they intercept materiel as it comes in from Poland?
The Russian missiles can reach that area but if the tanks are moving, as they need to do, the missiles might be late in arriving and be wasted. In other words, the distance is too great to hit something moving at speed.

Posted by: Bart Hansen | Jan 19 2023 23:12 utc | 187

Melaleuca | Jan 19 2023 22:44 utc | 181
US civil war marks a point in firearms/weapons development and tactics strategy to go with those developments. The move to rifled barrels repeating rifle and machine guns. Rifled cannon. As for cannon, with tanks at least the wheel has gone full circle with tanks once again using smooth bore. Next step in land warfare was the Soviet Katusha’s.
Now here we are in the missile age and US is building multi billion $ Bismark’s and Yamamoto’s to fight the last war.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 19 2023 23:15 utc | 188

There seems to be growing disappointment? Impatience? Exasperation?
That the Russians have “failed” to deliver on their product guarantee ~ delivering a wonderfully entertaining Winter Offensive.
I lurk here and many sites. Can someone please link to Putin’s promise of a Grand Winter Offensive?
I know Scott Ritter has promised a Russian Winter Offensive.
And Douglas Macgregor certain has. He has almost prescribed a timetable… and the Russians are overdue.
It seems to me that neither Putin Shoigu Gerasimov or Surovikin have actually issued a prospectus.
“I’m missing a Winter Offensive and I demand a refund”.:_ Karen Karonovitch.
Friendly reminder- it was Lloyd Austin and Mildred Milley who promised Putin would take Kiev in three days….. and then put him on report when he “failed”.
Macgregor is of the old style Shock and Awe days. He thinks a great big push down from Belarus would be just his type of war.
Nothing the Russians have done military in the sloSMO has made any sense to U$ military planners.
Which is why Russia is going to prevail in this “to the last Ukrainian” proxy war.
They are following their own military plans, and aren’t sharing the details.
I listen and Macgregor. He’s one of the few making sense.
But he has no more clue about what the Russians are planning than any barfly here.
But sure, if no major grandiose gladiatorial contest emerges before March, our favourite trolls here will have fresh material…. Hahaha-Ha …. Russia ”failed” (again)
…. because it didn’t deliver a piece of war theatre only promised by a long former (and out of favour) US colonel.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 19 2023 23:15 utc | 189

Bart Hansen @186–
Unless of course Russian missiles also move, which they do. Check out the Artemis and others. Also, many Russian missiles are capable of interfacing with recon drones and redirecting to where they spot targets. All of that’s part of the changing nature of how industrial wars are waged.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 19 2023 23:22 utc | 190

@ outraged.. thanks and agree.. kudos to the poster Degringolade for sharing that..
@ Peter AU1 | Jan 19 2023 21:32 utc | 142
i did see that post from bevin on germany, france and italy and do think it is very relevant.. without their participation, it will be harder for the rest of them to sustain this.. so the empire is working on germany at present.. hopefully these 3 say no to usa-uk pressure.
@ Patroklos | Jan 19 2023 21:51 utc | 156
its a good question.. i mostly go with option 1, but i do option 2 as well.. as you will note, i don’t use capitals, in the tradition of e e cummings, or bill bisset… this probably dissuades some from reading my own posts.. so be it.. i don’t have an answer for you.. i overlook the typos with b and others often.. i do find the english language makes an ass of itself on a regular basis.. to give it my full support is impossible and yet, it is the language i was raised with and speak.. i am not the language i speak and i won’t be pushed around by any of the rules that it thinks it can impose on me.. cheers…

Posted by: james | Jan 19 2023 23:30 utc | 191

Bart Hansen and karlof1
Russia knocked out the bridge west of Odessa and a train tunnel in the Carpathian’s. My guess is that they have funneled weapons deliveries into a killing field. We have seen a few train stations destroyed near the front lines as they were unloading weapons shipments, and also waiting till shipments were moved to warehouses for distribution. US/UK has also set up rat lines to move weapons into Ukraine which would be I think difficult to destroy without large civilian casualties.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 19 2023 23:30 utc | 192

unimperator #180
Thank you, and added to the Abrams flammability is their excellent propensity to get bogged in black soggy soil that refuses to freeze. Assuming they even make it that far east of the Poland/Ukraine border. Boggy soils makes them a more ‘reliable’ target. They are not suited to boggy land let alone a battle where air dominance in entirely with the other side. Yank tank – meet quadcopter :/

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 19 2023 23:31 utc | 193

I am not convinced that the Russian offensive in Zapo is “major” until I see Ukraine shills seething about it.

Posted by: catdog | Jan 19 2023 23:31 utc | 194

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 19 2023 23:15 utc | 188
I have been saying all along that there would probably not be a big winter offensive, and the mobilized are only enough to hold the current line and have some reserve. If that has changed due to a significant reduction of UA numbers then we might see a big offensive in Zapo or near the Oskil.

Posted by: catdog | Jan 19 2023 23:33 utc | 195

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 19 2023 16:54 utc | 16
What site were you attempting to link? I’ve never had any issues with links disappearing here, but maybe some sites are blocked by b’s blogging platform automatically?
In any case, I generally enjoy your input here and would appreciate if you could at least point us in the right direction of the article you tried to link.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 19 2023 23:36 utc | 196

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 19 2023 23:15 utc | 188
What winter offensive? Putin clearly said “We haven’t even started in earnest yet”
The Russian mega bitch slap that’ll sober ’em up will come sooner or later…

Posted by: nathan in WA US | Jan 19 2023 23:42 utc | 197

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 19 2023 17:33 utc | 38
Wow. Thanks for that link. BAR as usual gets it right. Howie Hawkins surprised me, actually. I don’t know what he’s thinking. OTOH, I don’t even know why the little rat Eric Draitser of Counterpunch has a job at all, much less one that gives him some sort of perceived authority on the matter of Russia Ukraine. I’ve suffered through two of his completely asinine videos designed to mislead the audience and of course paint Putin and Russia as evil baddies. I’ve left rebuttals in the YouTube comments sections and they never seem to get any engagement so I’m guessing I’ve been shadowbanned. I really hate that little punk.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 19 2023 23:42 utc | 198

The englander chapter of the Jewish Congress recommends Lavrov wash his mouth out for quoting words “final solution to the Russian question”.
Englanders disagree and support Lavrov’s remarks that were made in the context of both Napolean and the Third Reich’s failed genocides against Russia (and everyone in between).
iEarlgrey discusses this topic. Charge you glasses barflies and smile….

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 19 2023 23:43 utc | 199

Correction to my #198
It was the EUROPEAN JEWISH CONGRESS.
Good to see the push back from the englander masses.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 19 2023 23:46 utc | 200