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January 28, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-23
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Comment: An interesting part from MSM: Posted by: Colin | Jan 28 2023 11:24 utc | 2 Then we have paid trolls ranting “but the Donbass massacre was not genocide” “Ukraine cannot be a fascist state because their president is literally Jewish”. For the latter, I suggest asking if they’ve heard of Israel – if Trump is a fascist, as many centrist and liberal Democrats believe, then how is Ukraine not a fascist? (I don’t mean I think Ukraine is literally fascist but I disagree with such obviously absurd double standards) Posted by: Colin | Jan 28 2023 11:32 utc | 3 Apparently a 750kV substation in Zaporozhye was burnt in the latest missile barrage. Posted by: too scents | Jan 28 2023 11:50 utc | 4 Imagine naming your kids “Abrams” or “Javelina” Posted by: leaf | Jan 28 2023 12:05 utc | 5
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/31109 Posted by: Down South | Jan 28 2023 12:15 utc | 6 there’s no way the Russians fired missiles. they ran out of missiles 4 months ago. must be the iranians. Posted by: Toxik | Jan 28 2023 12:18 utc | 7 Translated:
Comment: A UK tabloid reports that Russia is now buying a batch of WW-II era T-34s from Laos. This has got to be some of the most ridiculous propaganda nonsense I have read on this war. And there has been a lot. Posted by: Rune | Jan 28 2023 12:30 utc | 9 @Rune | Jan 28 2023 12:30 utc Posted by: BG13 | Jan 28 2023 12:37 utc | 10 Intelslava reports a rumor that Ukr told the Pentagon they lost 232K troops killed and that Stratfor estimates it at 305K killed. Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 28 2023 12:42 utc | 11 https://www.state.gov/significant-new-u-s-military-assistance-to-ukraine/ Posted by: Nicolae | Jan 28 2023 12:48 utc | 12 Rumors that Ukr is grabbing thousands of national police for the meat grinder. Posted by: rk | Jan 28 2023 13:10 utc | 13 US and EU Like Thelma and Louise. Driving Off The Cliff With The Pedal To The Metal. Posted by: jgalt | Jan 28 2023 13:20 utc | 14 Posted by: too scents | Jan 28 2023 11:50 utc | 4 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 28 2023 13:36 utc | 15 It’s time now for for the Ukranians or other interested parties to not only depose Zelensky but to arrest him for the War Criminal that he is. His billions in financial assets should also be seized. Whilst his wife spends over Euros 40,000 in one hour on a Christmas shopping trip in Paris, he is sending hundreds of thousands of civilians to certain death in the meat grinder. I am beginning to wonder whether he has now become a monster greater than Hitler was. The ethnic cleansing of ethnic Hungarians in Transcarpathia by sending them to the front, the arrest and execution of ethnic Russians in the Donbass and the fact that he is now a ruthless brutal Nazi Dictator having closed down all opposition is plain to see. My Goodness, in my lifetime I thought I would never see the day where the Collective West would support a Nazi Dictator, a Nazi Regime and the associated atrocities and ethnic cleansing associated with Hitler. My Grandparents ought in one if not two World Wars to ensure Fascism would never ever again rear its ugly head and here we are a collective West that is so consumed with hatred it has lost sight of all reason and reality and is now supporting Fascism to the hilt. Posted by: Jo Dominich | Jan 28 2023 13:47 utc | 16 There is no reason to think that anything said by either (any) participant is correct/true. Posted by: jared1089 | Jan 28 2023 13:53 utc | 17 are you sure 750kV is a “substation” ?
https://www.power-technology.com/marketdata/dniprovska-substation-ukraine/ Posted by: too scents | Jan 28 2023 13:55 utc | 18 Posted by: Rune | Jan 28 2023 12:30 utc | 9 Posted by: LeaNder | Jan 28 2023 13:56 utc | 19 A question for the Canadian barflies. Does your country have an equivalent to the CIA or does MI6 handle such “things” for your government as a “dominion” state (or isn’t Canada a dominion country anymore)…? Posted by: DakotaRog | Jan 28 2023 14:06 utc | 20
In Canada it is Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) and they work with other 5-eyes. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 28 2023 14:23 utc | 21 From a Blog I visit. Posted by: jgalt | Jan 28 2023 14:26 utc | 22 Posted by: DakotaRog | Jan 28 2023 14:06 utc | 20 Posted by: Lemming | Jan 28 2023 14:34 utc | 23 @DakotaRog 20 Posted by: Miclo2 | Jan 28 2023 14:36 utc | 24 Rune@9…might be true, makes sense to buy them before Uncle Smule grabs them for Ukie. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 28 2023 14:39 utc | 25 Posted by: too scents | Jan 28 2023 13:55 utc | 18 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 28 2023 14:44 utc | 26 Victoria Nuland on Prosecution Futures in Ukraine. Posted by: too scents | Jan 28 2023 14:44 utc | 27 14 civilians killed and 24 injured in Lugansk hospital himars attack. Posted by: rk | Jan 28 2023 14:47 utc | 28 When brigades are mentioned here as Russian Ukrainian formation sizes. Posted by: jpc | Jan 28 2023 15:04 utc | 29 CSIS and RCMP are political tools of the Canadian state. They entrap people in crimes invented by the state, like the Toronto 18. They target anti-war and indigenous activists. RCMP was born out of crushing indigenous resistance to the creation of Canada. Most CSIS agents are exceptionally dumb too; opportunists with a three year ‘political science’ degree who are only hired because they have already internalized the doctrinal imperative of Canada’s elite: total subservience to US power. CSIS was complicit in torture in Afghanistan, and in the Omar Khadr case. The media cites CSIS all the time as if it’s some authoritative source on anything. Posted by: Ringo | Jan 28 2023 15:08 utc | 30 @LeaNder | Jan 28 2023 13:56 utc Posted by: BG13 | Jan 28 2023 15:20 utc | 31 Régis Le Sommier shared some bits of his experiences with Russian troops. Here‘s another interview of him. Posted by: Typic | Jan 28 2023 15:30 utc | 32 Lemming@23…it’s a gas can masquerading as a third world country….as over 90% of it’s indigenous housing camps are under a Boil Water Adviseries. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 28 2023 15:40 utc | 33 Looks like no NATO membership for Sweden and Finland. They should thank Erdogan. Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 28 2023 15:44 utc | 34 TL&DR Details of latest/cumulative ‘Lend-Lease’ AFVs & credibility(?) of described purpose/intended use by AFU. The question is what happens after this war. Assuming Ukraine loses and is partitioned. The only way I see that not happening is if Russia keeps avoiding it. Posted by: cafe con leche | Jan 28 2023 15:53 utc | 36 Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 28 2023 15:44 utc | 34 Posted by: Vikichka | Jan 28 2023 15:53 utc | 37 Thanks for all the answers and comments on the Canadian CSIS and RCMP. The reason why I was asking is that I’m a member of an “outdoors” forum centered in North America, probably has over 10,000 or more registered people, although maybe 500 actively post a lot. Most of these people are conservative men but there is certainly a sub group of us who aren’t buying all the lies the various western governments are telling anymore. I’ve also tried to stress what 5th generation warfare includes such as information manipulation and control. Posted by: DakotaRog | Jan 28 2023 15:56 utc | 38 While estimates of Ukr troops killed have horrifically ascended, I don’t see estimates of those permanently disabled. This could be even higher. Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 28 2023 15:57 utc | 39 Dakota Rog @20 Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jan 28 2023 16:00 utc | 40 Zakharva’s visceral excoriation of Scholz. Posted by: Et Tu | Jan 28 2023 16:05 utc | 41 @Vikichka | Jan 28 2023 15:53 utc | 36 Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 28 2023 16:05 utc | 42 Zelensky trying to acquire military aircraft to strike important targets in Crimea, if successful this could seriously escalate hostilities which could spill over into other European nations. Poland has already suffered from two supposedly wayward strikes from Ukrainian forces. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jan 28 2023 16:14 utc | 43 ” Italian Defense Minister Guido Crosetto’s remarks that the Third World War would erupt if Russian tanks reached Kiev and “the borders of Europe”, and that the weapons sent to Ukraine were meant to stop the escalation. Medvedev equated his remarks to the calls from the United Kingdom to provide Kiev with all the weapons NATO” Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jan 28 2023 16:18 utc | 44 Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 28 2023 16:05 utc | 41 Posted by: Vikichka | Jan 28 2023 16:19 utc | 45 Russia is braced for a huge cyber attack from Kiev after learning this. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jan 28 2023 16:22 utc | 46 “Italian Defense Minister Guido Crosetto’s remarks that the Third World War would erupt if Russian tanks reached.. “the borders of Europe” Posted by: Vikichka | Jan 28 2023 16:26 utc | 47 @35 The UK has had 14 Challenger tanks in Poland since last July. It’s part of some complicated swap deal. They probably won’t be going into Ukraine just yet. Posted by: dh | Jan 28 2023 16:26 utc | 48 Norwegian @ 41
Meh, naked Swedes, what’s new? What they did is think things over, looked carefully at the current situation and said (in Swedish, of course) “wait just a cotton pickin’ minute, we signed onto total collapse in a couple months not this almost WW3 shit. We are outta here!” And, found a convoluted and fairly cowardly way to bail, but hats off to them anyway. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 28 2023 16:28 utc | 49 Brussels is threating Serbia, its an EU candidate, that it must impose sanctions against Russia for its actions in Ukraine. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jan 28 2023 16:29 utc | 50 : Vikichka (46). Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jan 28 2023 16:35 utc | 51 “Another Ukrainian heinous war crime. 14 civilians killed in a hospital by US-supplied missiles. And as we know from Ukrainian officials the targets of HIMARS are agreed by Washington. So it makes the US directly complicit. US taxpayers should be aware of how their money is useds” – Permanent Representative of Russia to UN Polyanskiy Posted by: rk | Jan 28 2023 16:37 utc | 52 Someone posted here a few days ago that the Russians were claiming zero or very low Ukrainian tank losses. That seems to be continuing. Looks to me like whatever armour the UAF have left they are refitting and putting into reserve. They may well have still c 400 operational MBT and more repairable. But a guess really. Another 200 wunderwaffe Leopards etc won’t make that much difference but some. Posted by: marcjf | Jan 28 2023 16:41 utc | 53 @Et Tu | Jan 28 2023 16:05 utc | 40 Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 28 2023 16:42 utc | 54 “The European Commission says Ukraine has the unconditional support of the European Union in the war with Russia. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jan 28 2023 16:47 utc | 55 DakotaRog@37….always be wary of those guys type guys, although he does sound boorish. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 28 2023 16:49 utc | 56 @Vikichka | Jan 28 2023 16:19 utc | 44
I can only speak for myself. I think Sweden and Finland have demonstrated extreme stupidity and shown they were not sincere in their neutrality. I am skeptical by nature and knew it wasn’t for real, but I never thought they would fall this deep. Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 28 2023 16:53 utc | 58 “On Friday, European External Action Service Secretary-General Stefano Sannino accused Russia of taking the war into a “different stage” in response to a decision by NATO to send advanced armaments to Ukraine. Sannino was referring to a decision made by Germany and the United States this week to send advanced battle tanks to Ukraine. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jan 28 2023 16:56 utc | 59 At least one European leader has decided that he will not allow the EU to foist fuel hardships on his citizens and businesses to satisfy Biden and Zelensky. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jan 28 2023 17:02 utc | 60 There are things still unexplained from that NS incident. A Firehall over fifty miles from the rampage scene was shot up by the Mounties. The fire captain submitted a report….his new pumper truck had been disabled, he wanted compensation. There were eye witnesses. Also, the NS RCMP were compromised from the inside by local bikers, there was a counter sting being conducted by outside police forces against them at the same time….the gunman had gang ties, a biker did up the faux cop car for him… were covers exposed, lives at risk, we are talking gangs…..and cops, lots of dead this, burned that, over several days….reeks of a botched inside job and cover up. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 28 2023 17:04 utc | 61
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/31164 Posted by: Down South | Jan 28 2023 17:05 utc | 62 @ sean the leprechaun #55 Posted by: DakotaRog | Jan 28 2023 17:09 utc | 63 Whether correct or wild speculation this is intriguing. RF trying to create Cuban Missile Crisis tensions to throw the USA off balance and refocus world attention? It didn’t occur to me or anyone here how notable that the Gorshkov changed its claimed route twice to head to the place of the Cuban Missile Crisis. The USA will not take the bait and will ignore it of course. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 28 2023 17:11 utc | 64
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1619366783932338177 Posted by: Down South | Jan 28 2023 17:14 utc | 65 Posted by: marcjf | Jan 28 2023 16:41 utc | 52 Posted by: Buddy The Cat | Jan 28 2023 17:17 utc | 66 @ dh | Jan 28 2023 16:26 utc | 47
Posted by: Down South | Jan 28 2023 17:18 utc | 68
Posted by: Down South | Jan 28 2023 17:20 utc | 69
Thats really funny. Reminds of this after Stalingrad 1943.
Posted by: Vikichka | Jan 28 2023 17:25 utc | 70 Reply to #33. Yes , the water quality in Canadas boreal north is pretty bad. But the insuperable problem is geography. It is a vast bowl , a depression , and any waste water, mine tsilings6, diesel spills etc goes into the ground water and stays there for a thousand years. The contained water does not recharge or refresh. Posted by: Philip H Gattey | Jan 28 2023 17:28 utc | 71 Down South @ 64 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 28 2023 17:28 utc | 72 Israel is supporting Ukraine in the war against Russia on a larger scale than advertised – Israeli ambassador to Germany Posted by: rk | Jan 28 2023 17:39 utc | 73
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/31187 Posted by: Down South | Jan 28 2023 17:39 utc | 74
Posted by: Down South | Jan 28 2023 17:42 utc | 75 Who was determining matters before? Posted by: rk | Jan 28 2023 17:43 utc | 76 TASS today: Posted by: Elmagnostic | Jan 28 2023 17:43 utc | 77 Why the meat grinder? Pentagon’s idea: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 28 2023 17:48 utc | 78 @ Buddy the cat Posted by: marcjf | Jan 28 2023 17:49 utc | 79 ” So it makes the US directly complicit. US taxpayers should be aware of how their money is useds” – Permanent Representative of Russia to UN Polyanskiy Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Jan 28 2023 17:52 utc | 80 For instance the US “accidentally” bombed a Chinese embassy years ago, Why doesnt Russia get creative ? Posted by: KitaySupporter | Jan 28 2023 17:59 utc | 81
https://twitter.com/JohnEdgarCarter/status/1619391732214542338 Posted by: Down South | Jan 28 2023 17:59 utc | 82 ” The RF it seems to me has the strategic initiative just now but is not taking advantage of it. Perhaps their High Command prefers a long, slow, drawn out war of attrition. That does not however seem a good way to win a war against NATO as it gives space and time for it to mobilise economically; and let’s face it. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Jan 28 2023 18:02 utc | 83 Turns out even a ‘gas station masquerading as a country’ can be deadly if you’re grinning like a fool while smoking next to the gas tanks. Posted by: Boo | Jan 28 2023 18:02 utc | 84 Found an interesting article, linked to from Southfront, on why there won’t be any big arrow offensives until the AFU is sufficiently degraded. Instead of big arrow, Russia will concentrate on taking critical nodes along the front line and destroying the AFU formations that get in the way. Posted by: Mike R | Jan 28 2023 18:07 utc | 85 Prior to 2014 Moscow and Kiev had good relations but then, with CIA and MI6 founding and meddling, the coup happened – Euromaidan. The dummy government started a process of desovietification and derussification, basically outlawing the communist party and several russophilic parties. Posted by: Consistent Drive | Jan 28 2023 18:07 utc | 86 “What is the purpose of this silliness? Is there actually anybody that believe any of it? Posted by: Old Brown Fool | Jan 28 2023 18:08 utc | 87 Et tu no. 40 Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jan 28 2023 18:08 utc | 88 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome 80 Posted by: Mike R | Jan 28 2023 18:16 utc | 89 Good to see some of the Russian and Ukrainian telegram reporters reporting in English are starting to correct their erroneous use of the false cognate “direction”. Of course, in some contexts it is the appropriate word, e.g. where movement is implied. I wait impatiently for tardier ones to follow suit. Posted by: petra | Jan 28 2023 18:18 utc | 90 @ LightYearsFromHome | Jan 28 2023 16:28 utc | 48 Posted by: John Kennard | Jan 28 2023 18:46 utc | 91 reply to 80 Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 28 2023 18:48 utc | 92 @ Et Tu | Jan 28 2023 16:05 utc | 40 Posted by: La Bastille | Jan 28 2023 18:57 utc | 93
Posted by: Fyre | Jan 28 2023 18:58 utc | 94 I have leapt to the conclusion that “Down South” is called thus, because, well, because, he is talking out of his nether regions ? Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Jan 28 2023 19:12 utc | 95 @Colin | Jan 28 2023 11:24 utc | 2
To avoid this, the USA has merely redefined how fascism is seen. As an aside, it is also strange to see a country with more of it’s citizens incarcerated and under judicial supervision than any other totalitarian state in history talking about liberty and freedom, especially when it has the world’s largest percentage of extreme poor and a rising level of people without “an acceptable standard of living”. Posted by: Hermit | Jan 28 2023 19:14 utc | 96
No need to task Karlof! with this. It is on the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs website in English. I suggest you bookmark the site if you are interested. If blocked use a VPN. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 28 2023 19:18 utc | 97 It’s not just the EU politicians, it’s the EU electorate too. They want war and devastation they will get. Now, how do I avoid this shit the idiots are bringing down. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 28 2023 19:18 utc | 98 Yesterday’s Weekly Briefing by Maria Zakharova had one of the longest Q&A sessions I’ve seen, 41, after 14 main points covered in here briefing. Out of all that, I chose the following Q&A to share here. Yes, there’s additional context to the answer as Maria notes the reader will need to discover.
Again as it was announced over 80 years ago, Russia fights to establish the Four Freedoms, the same freedoms the Outlaw US Empire/NATO now wish to destroy and replace with “rules” that will never allow them to flourish. Yesterday’s Weekly Briefing by Maria Zakharova had one of the longest Q&A sessions I’ve seen, 41, after 14 main points covered in here briefing. Out of all that, I chose the following Q&A to share here. Yes, there’s additional context to the answer as Maria notes the reader will need to discover.
Again as it was announced over 80 years ago, Russia fights to establish the Four Freedoms, the same freedoms the Outlaw US Empire/NATO now wish to destroy and replace with “rules” that will never allow them to flourish. |
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