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January 26, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-22
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Some say that hitler’s objective was to use SU as a proxy, to deprive UK of it’s Indian colony… Posted by: laguerre | Jan 27 2023 7:04 utc | 301 laguerre | Jan 27 2023 7:04 utc | 306 Posted by: Alex Vadim | Jan 27 2023 7:14 utc | 302 NJH | Jan 27 2023 6:18 utc | 297 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 27 2023 7:16 utc | 303 ……Hitlerwas not interested in overseas empires. Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 27 2023 7:22 utc | 304 Milites @101 Posted by: mjh | Jan 27 2023 7:27 utc | 305 Posted by: NJH | Jan 27 2023 6:18 utc | 297 Posted by: Simon | Jan 27 2023 7:33 utc | 306 @NJH | Jan 27 2023 6:18 utc | 297
Posted by: Hermit | Jan 27 2023 7:40 utc | 307 @Melaleuca 308 Posted by: NJH | Jan 27 2023 7:41 utc | 308 @Melaleuca | Jan 27 2023 7:22 utc | 309 Posted by: Hermit | Jan 27 2023 7:43 utc | 309 @OttoE | Jan 26 2023 22:10 utc | 165
Syrian oil is nickels and dimes, not enough for Syria herself. Golan has been taken from Syria 35 years ago. No need for a new war for something that has already been taken. Posted by: Vajezatha | Jan 27 2023 7:59 utc | 310 @ Doug Hillman | Jan 27 2023 3:18 utc | 257 Posted by: james | Jan 27 2023 8:01 utc | 311 An interesting interview with Victor Orban of Hungary, in which he speaks at length about the Ukraine war. May interest some here: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/viktor-orban-we-are-in-a-war-with-russia/ Posted by: Ludovic | Jan 27 2023 8:09 utc | 312 annyone confirm??? Posted by: Jo | Jan 27 2023 8:10 utc | 313 Posted by: Hermit | Jan 27 2023 7:40 utc | 312 Posted by: alek_a | Jan 27 2023 8:10 utc | 314 @Alex Vadim | Jan 27 2023 7:14 utc | 307 Posted by: Hermit | Jan 27 2023 8:13 utc | 315 Hermit | Jan 27 2023 8:13 utc | 320 Posted by: Alex Vadim | Jan 27 2023 8:25 utc | 316
Posted by: Down South | Jan 27 2023 8:28 utc | 317
https://t.me/azmilitary11/35094
https://t.me/azmilitary11/35095 Posted by: Down South | Jan 27 2023 8:33 utc | 318
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/30922 Posted by: Down South | Jan 27 2023 8:35 utc | 319 @young | Jan 27 2023 0:19 utc | 209 Posted by: Hermit | Jan 27 2023 8:35 utc | 320 @alek_a | Jan 27 2023 8:10 utc | 319 Posted by: Hermit | Jan 27 2023 8:48 utc | 321 unimperator | Jan 27 2023 6:37 utc | 301 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 27 2023 8:53 utc | 322 Clearly an important new piece by John Helmer suggesting peace-feelers by Blinken to Russia… Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 27 2023 8:56 utc | 323 The problem with the reluctance to send European military equipment to Ukraine is for exactly one reason: nobody knows about its real military potential. Posted by: mo3 | Jan 27 2023 8:57 utc | 324 Think of the propaganda victory for Russian President Vladimir Putin if pictures emerge of disabled American tanks on a Ukrainian battlefield. – CNN Posted by: Marvin | Jan 27 2023 8:59 utc | 325 Earl Grey with the Duran. He has been to Donbas recently and speaks of large numbers of anti tank pyramids heading to the frontlines. Russia has set up strong defensive lines along the frontline north of the Donets river and also in the Zap region in the south. They would have moved north of those lines with the recent limited offensive but I assume they will set up new defenses giving a greater depth to the fortified line. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 27 2023 9:06 utc | 326 Now Biden (USA) is already rowing back as far as their tanks are concerned, with delivery dates from 2024 onwards. Posted by: mo3 | Jan 27 2023 9:13 utc | 327 “Pantsir” shoots down two packages of HIMARS – 12 missiles. They are intercepted at the same place on the video Posted by: unimperator | Jan 27 2023 9:21 utc | 328 The RAND people have just published a new study titled “Avoiding a Long war” Posted by: Udkanten | Jan 27 2023 9:22 utc | 329 I see on social media that in addition to Latvia, Poland and Netherlands have also started to collect info on refugees of mobilization age, to send back. Posted by: rk | Jan 27 2023 9:26 utc | 330 Latest Macgregor…
This is pretty much what I’ve been saying lately. It appears he has adjusted his opinion about a large, multi-axis offensive – or more precisely, that he also believes as I do that it’s a question of WHEN such an offensive might occur, and not whether it will occur.
Worth listening to the whole thing. Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Jan 27 2023 9:29 utc | 331 Do NOT forget one thing with all deliveries of GERMAN tanks American tanks! Posted by: mo3 | Jan 27 2023 9:31 utc | 332 ❗️🇷🇺🇭🇺Those Hungarians who voluntarily surrendered and were captured by Russia will not be handed over to the Ukrainian side and will be immediately transferred to Hungary. Posted by: unimperator | Jan 27 2023 9:48 utc | 333 @ # 2 uncle tungsten & al. Posted by: Yogi | Jan 27 2023 9:50 utc | 334 Annalena is worse. Of course her one year course at the LSE in public international law and her unfinished doctorate in natural disasters and international law has provided her with an excellent training in being a one woman disaster in German Foreign Affairs. Posted by: jpc | Jan 27 2023 10:01 utc | 335 Re: Neoconservatism
Posted by: Zeug Gezeugt | Jan 27 2023 10:06 utc | 336 @ # 99: Posted by: Yogi | Jan 27 2023 10:09 utc | 337 Der Standard, a daily newspaper from Austria, reports today: The crack between the Kremlin and the Russian private army Wagner is getting bigger Posted by: Bonfire Night | Jan 27 2023 10:16 utc | 338 John Helmer has an interesting take on behind the scenes ‘diplomacy’ by Blinken via the WaPo, suggesting some major US concessions are being floated: Posted by: Et Tu | Jan 27 2023 10:17 utc | 339 The battle for Artemovsk continues: “AFU is transferring additional units to the city, but they are already suffering losses on the approaches” Posted by: unimperator | Jan 27 2023 10:25 utc | 340 Posted by: Hermit | Jan 27 2023 7:40 utc | 312 Posted by: Tim | Jan 27 2023 10:26 utc | 341 The security expert Claudia Major from the Science and Politics Foundation spoke on Friday in the ZDF “Morgenmagazin” about an “extremely unfortunate slip of the tongue” by Baerbock, who is now being exploited by Russian state propaganda. Posted by: Bonfire Night | Jan 27 2023 10:40 utc | 342 Baerbocks “we are at war with Russia” isn’t the only blurp. Also another minister in an unnamed country in North EUrope said that “we are at war with Russia… ahem… energy war with Russia”. It’s all sub-conscious conditioning. Posted by: unimperator | Jan 27 2023 10:44 utc | 343 @karlof1 | Jan 27 2023 0:32 utc | 211
Sometimes logic does not fit the agenda. Posted by: Vajezatha | Jan 27 2023 10:46 utc | 344 @# 177: … Posted by: Yogi | Jan 27 2023 10:49 utc | 345 # 343 Posted by: mo3 | Jan 27 2023 10:50 utc | 346 jpc | Jan 27 2023 10:01 utc | 340 Posted by: rk | Jan 27 2023 10:52 utc | 347 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 27 2023 3:32 utc | 262 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 27 2023 10:59 utc | 348 The Russia developed hypersonic and the success e.g. was like a blow for CIA and & possibly suspected but NEVER known with certainty !! Posted by: rk | Jan 27 2023 11:05 utc | 349 @# 240: … Posted by: Yogi | Jan 27 2023 11:09 utc | 350 Hermit | Jan 27 2023 8:13 utc | 320 Posted by: Alex Vadim | Jan 27 2023 11:13 utc | 351 The soviet union would never have allowed itself to be used as proxy by Fascist Germany against the British Empire. They were preparing for the struggle, the protracted war against imperialism since the 1920s. Sure they would trade with them and train with them in order to develop themselves, but Stalin understood Fascism and its danger very well. He was as clear-eyed as they come. Posted by: Lachlan | Jan 27 2023 11:14 utc | 352 He also understood that the differences between Fascist imperialism and Liberal imperialism were of degree and not type, Or more precisely of aesthetic – as the British empire was almost as bad as nazi Germany ever was, it just styled itself differently, more liberally. It’s telling that all the liberals in Germany gladly lined themselves up behind the fascist cause. Posted by: Lachlan | Jan 27 2023 11:18 utc | 353 Lachlan | Jan 27 2023 11:14 utc | 357 Posted by: Alex Vadim | Jan 27 2023 11:27 utc | 354 @ Paul McGrory | Jan 27 2023 6:49 utc | 302 Posted by: Yogi | Jan 27 2023 11:39 utc | 355 Cookie “FtheEU” Nuland Father: Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 27 2023 11:40 utc | 356
What if we killed the bad guys at birth? There would be no reprisals. Posted by: Leuk | Jan 27 2023 11:41 utc | 357 the big news over the last few days is the soon-to-happen round up of Ukrainian citizens in the EU and likely in North America. Posted by: exile | Jan 27 2023 11:43 utc | 358 Can someone help me with my maths… Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 27 2023 11:48 utc | 359 aristodemos @ 262
Arch Bungle @ 353
Calling this nonsense out, when it’s tech from the west it’s wunderwaffen, but when from the RF it’s, if not a game changer, a notable piece of kit, wowzer! I’ll make an exception for this though, it’s some crazy shit: https://t.me/Slavyangrad/30907 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 27 2023 11:54 utc | 360 This morning Russia is announcing that the fortified Ukrainian stronghold of Ugledar has fallen to the Russians. Posted by: jgalt | Jan 27 2023 12:03 utc | 361 @ # 341: Posted by: Yogi | Jan 27 2023 12:03 utc | 362 How many drone strikes did Obama do with many innocents who were collateral damage? Over 100000 that he oversaw personally. Posted by: jgalt | Jan 27 2023 12:06 utc | 363 exile | Jan 27 2023 11:43 utc | 363 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jan 27 2023 12:10 utc | 364 the big news over the last few days is the soon-to-happen round up of Ukrainian citizens in the EU and likely in North America. Posted by: waynorinorway | Jan 27 2023 12:11 utc | 365 The Faker is now saying a war between Russia and NATOstan is inevitable and he will close his Junkyard if that happens, or maybe even if it doesn’t happen, I don’t know exactly what he’s saying. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 27 2023 12:23 utc | 366 [370] Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 27 2023 12:33 utc | 367 Re. Yogi | Jan 27 2023 9:50 utc | 339 and thermobaric weaponry in general: Posted by: Quid Me Vexare | Jan 27 2023 12:33 utc | 368 Lachlan [357] Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 27 2023 12:35 utc | 369 [348] Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 27 2023 12:39 utc | 370 Posted by: Hermit | Jan 27 2023 7:40 utc | 312 Posted by: MillerJ | Jan 27 2023 12:43 utc | 371 Not just that but German media is obscuring what she said. Welt for instance overlaid her soundtrack with German translation „fighting Russia“ rather than „at war with Russia“ Posted by: jpc | Jan 27 2023 12:48 utc | 372 Anyone know the legality of sending refugees and emigres home for conscription? Someone with some actual legal knowledge? Seems to me to be very illegal, it would need a lot of process to determine specific status, work, family, kids, health, mental physical fitness, and some sort of decree, which EU leader or parliamentarian is going to push such a decree? Are the German, French, Italian, Spanish police going to forcibly grab people with friends and kin screaming and crying on the street? That will look real good on the night news. Fun to watch the spin, “but we are helping Ukraine”. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 27 2023 12:55 utc | 373 “After the conquest of England the British Empire would be apportioned as a gigantic world-wide estate in bankruptcy of 40 million square kilometres. Posted by: laguerre | Jan 27 2023 12:57 utc | 374 Incredible that the west are now supporting genocide and NAZISM. Posted by: jgalt | Jan 27 2023 12:57 utc | 375 It’s going to difficult to send them back to Ukraine without rounding them up en masse. Posted by: Chris | Jan 27 2023 12:58 utc | 376
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/30983 Posted by: Down South | Jan 27 2023 13:05 utc | 377 @# 375 Posted by: Yogi | Jan 27 2023 13:07 utc | 378 @jgalt 380 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 27 2023 13:08 utc | 379 Biswapriya Purkayast @ 371 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 27 2023 13:08 utc | 380
Posted by: Down South | Jan 27 2023 13:12 utc | 381
Posted by: Down South | Jan 27 2023 13:13 utc | 382 Chris | Jan 27 2023 12:58 utc | 381 Posted by: Lapin | Jan 27 2023 13:17 utc | 383 Oh sorry (conc. #383): The numeration of the posts having changed, the posting meant is no longer #375, but #373. Posted by: Yogi | Jan 27 2023 13:19 utc | 384 That will look real good on the night news. Fun to watch the spin, “but we are helping Ukraine”. Posted by: rk | Jan 27 2023 13:31 utc | 385 @jgalt 380 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 27 2023 13:31 utc | 386 Re. Yogi | Jan 27 2023 13:07 utc @ 383 Posted by: Quid Me Vexare | Jan 27 2023 13:38 utc | 387 LightYearsFromHome | Jan 27 2023 12:55 utc | 378 Posted by: Yogi | Jan 27 2023 13:44 utc | 388 @ LightYearsFromHome | Jan 27 2023 13:31 utc | 391 Be interesting to see how Russian PTKM-1R anti-tank mines perform once programmed for Leopards and Abrams. They supposed penetrate turret from above Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 27 2023 14:02 utc | 390
Hardly a “proof”, more of an admonishment, Buddha would have approved. And an admission of the limitations of language and logic, explored more deeply by Godel, Korzybski, etc. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 27 2023 14:03 utc | 391 Quid me vexare @ 392 Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 27 2023 14:06 utc | 392 @ # 392: Posted by: Yogi | Jan 27 2023 14:13 utc | 393 Terminator(YMMV): Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 27 2023 14:16 utc | 394 Apparently the Aachen carnivalists are still thinking, this war can be ridiculed by bestowing Baerbock with a special order, the so-called “Orden wider den tierischen Ernst “Medal for Combating Deadly Seriousness” awarded during Carnival” by the Aachen carnivalists on February 6th. Posted by: OldCH | Jan 27 2023 14:18 utc | 395
I’m now picturing Ukrainian’s UK training … John Cleese demonstrating how to defend yourself against an attacker armed with a potato. Posted by: Mike314159 | Jan 27 2023 14:33 utc | 396 I can just see the reaction of the Russian people after the release of the first picture of a leopard marked with a balkan kreuz fighting in ukraine. Posted by: T.D. | Jan 27 2023 14:35 utc | 397 More skepticism in the Helmer article from Yves Smith at NakedCapitalism: Posted by: daffyDuct | Jan 27 2023 14:38 utc | 398 … They’ve been slowly but systematically excluding Russia from WW2 memorials in the west for 20ys now. At first it seemsed like petty rancor and part of the various scattered sanctions, but in hindsight you see it was all very systematic and planned going back to around 1997. It’s been a slow but incessant post cold war demonizing of Russia that reached the crescendo last year. A good part of the timing involved having had to wait for the last of the WW2 generation in the USA, France, and UK to die off. Posted by: Pagan | Jan 27 2023 14:39 utc | 399 @ # 401 Mike 314159: Posted by: Yogi | Jan 27 2023 14:47 utc | 400 |
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