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January 26, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-22

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

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Some say that hitler’s objective was to use SU as a proxy, to deprive UK of it’s Indian colony…
Posted by: Alex Vadim | Jan 27 2023 6:15 utc | 295
Hitler used to grandly say he would allow Britain to keep its empire. He was not interested in overseas empires.

Posted by: laguerre | Jan 27 2023 7:04 utc | 301

laguerre | Jan 27 2023 7:04 utc | 306
Hitler’s words at meeting, to Molotov – “After the conquest of England the British Empire would be apportioned as a gigantic world-wide estate in bankruptcy of 40 million square kilometres. In this bankrupt estate there would be for Russia access to the ice-free and really open ocean.”

Posted by: Alex Vadim | Jan 27 2023 7:14 utc | 302

NJH | Jan 27 2023 6:18 utc | 297
>Neocons….. Some of them are OK……
Curious as to your familiarity with the Project For The New American Century.
And the cast of characters, including props, wardrobe and special fx?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 27 2023 7:16 utc | 303

……Hitlerwas not interested in overseas empires.
Posted by: laguerre | Jan 27 2023 7:04 utc | 306
Not when the really interesting territory is in Argentina and Antartica ……

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 27 2023 7:22 utc | 304

Milites @101
US Col. Daniel Davis , who fought the tank battles in Iraq with Abrams vs old Soviet era unmodernized T72 tanks, makes the similar point that it is not the sophistication of the tank but the training and experience of the crew that determines the outcome of the battle. He goes so far as to say that if the trained American tank crews were the force with the T72’s and the untrained Iraqi’s operated M-1 Abrams, the Americans woul still have been victorious, as the Iraqui crews training and experience was abysmal.
https://www.19fortyfive.com/2023/01/ukraine-wont-get-leopard-2-or-m1-abrams-tanks-does-it-matter/

Posted by: mjh | Jan 27 2023 7:27 utc | 305

Posted by: NJH | Jan 27 2023 6:18 utc | 297
I think neocon is just used as “USA warmonger” in most cases. At least that is how I use it and how the two guys of The Duran appear to as well. I would prefer to say warmonger, but that is not considered acceptable or causes people to discount you in a lot of forums.

Posted by: Simon | Jan 27 2023 7:33 utc | 306

@NJH | Jan 27 2023 6:18 utc | 297

Political Terminology – The 9 minute FAQ to knowing everything necessary to understand American politics (Version 8) The Ninety Second Version
Perspective matters. But then if you imagine that the ability to communicate meaningfully is important, then definitions are important too. And then reality bites.
Conservative = rejecting change.
Progressive = acknowledging that change in society and technology mandate change in order for a culture to remain viable.
Left = representing the interests of the sans culotttes (poor), proletariat (working class) and petite bourgeoisie (small merchants and professionals)
Right = Representing the interests of the powerful and wealthy
Capitalism = Private ownership and control of the means of production
Socialism = Private ownership and public control of the means of production
Communism = Public ownership and control of the means of production
Direct democracy= People themselves discuss and vote on issues of interest. Not an American idea.
Any other system = Not democracy. Intended to ensure that the wealthy and powerful maintain their wealth and power.
Neoconservative or Neocon relates to or denotes a supposed “return” to a “modified form” of a never-existent and completely imaginary “traditional viewpoint” (AKA “Hate the other”), characterized by an emphasis on imaginary “free-market capitalism” (AKA “Fuck the poor”) “deregulation” (facilitating looting), reductions in government spending, collapsing infrastructure, boosting profiteering, impoverishing the not wealthy, while making labor non-competitive and promoting an aggressively “interventionist foreign policy” which has always been the reality of the hyper belligerent USA. It also speaks unintentionally to the con trickery required to get the poor and powerless to support policies which exclusively benefit the wealthy and powerful. Neocon is synonymous with war monger, and as such, is indistinguishable from neoliberals (infra).
Neoliberals or Neolib relates to or denotes favoring of policies that promote totally imaginary “free-market capitalism” (AKA “Fuck the poor”), “deregulation” (facilitating looting), reductions in government spending, collapsing infrastructure, boosting profiteering, impoverishing the not wealthy, while making labor non-competitive and promoting an aggressively “interventionist foreign policy” which has always been the reality of the hyper belligerent USA.
Neocolonialists are characterized by the use of economic, political, cultural, or other pressures to control or “influence” other countries, especially former dependencies, AKA “the West”, as shown by the annual net transfer of c. $US 4 trillion from poorer countries to wealthier countries.
Republicans = controlled by the wealthy and powerful and relying on conservatism to maintain the status quo and fuck the rest of society. Republicans are neoconservative, neoliberal and neocolonial, and their subservience to the oligarchy is leading us to environmental catastrophy, thermonuclear warfare and human extinction.
Democrats = controlled by the powerful and wealthy and relying on the hope of change maintained by paying lip-service to the rest of society when the wealthy and powerful do not object, but fucking the rest of society anyway. Democrats are neoconservative, neoliberal and neocolonial, and their subservience to the oligarchy is leading us to environmental catastrophy, thermonuclear warfare and human extinction.
Joe Biden is a Republican masquerading as a Democrat by paying lip-service to the rest of society while fucking them unmercifully without a lubricant – which is exactly what the wealthy and powerful want and so exactly what any government by the Republicans or Democrats will deliver. Meaning that neither has a leftist molecule.
Perhaps Americans will wake up to reality and stop enabling this toxic system before human extinction, but I doubt it.

From my Political Terminology – The 9 minute FAQ to knowing everything necessary to understand American politics.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 27 2023 7:40 utc | 307

@Melaleuca 308
Not taking bate. I never stated neocons were “okay”. Clearly I equated neocons/neolibs to both be equally evil. pnacmiddleeast/right=1990s. Syria/ukraine/left=2000s.
right/left both globalist warmongering nephilim reptilians.
Clearly stated. Goodnight.

Posted by: NJH | Jan 27 2023 7:41 utc | 308

@Melaleuca | Jan 27 2023 7:22 utc | 309
Not even (Hitler) and just not (everything else implied).

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 27 2023 7:43 utc | 309

@OttoE | Jan 26 2023 22:10 utc | 165

Wrong. Besides the oil which the US steals in Syria’s East, a valuable ressource there is …water. Israel steals 30% of its water from the occupied Syrian Golan.

Syrian oil is nickels and dimes, not enough for Syria herself. Golan has been taken from Syria 35 years ago. No need for a new war for something that has already been taken.
Those stories are for MSM consumers, not for barflies.

Posted by: Vajezatha | Jan 27 2023 7:59 utc | 310

@ Doug Hillman | Jan 27 2023 3:18 utc | 257
thanks doug.. good commentary and we do see it much the same way.. thanks!

Posted by: james | Jan 27 2023 8:01 utc | 311

An interesting interview with Victor Orban of Hungary, in which he speaks at length about the Ukraine war. May interest some here: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/viktor-orban-we-are-in-a-war-with-russia/

Posted by: Ludovic | Jan 27 2023 8:09 utc | 312

annyone confirm???
Killnet is taking German aviation on its knees- Russian hackers halted the work of almost all major German airports
Killnet hackers halted sites of major German airports: the web pages of Berlin, Dusseldorf, Frankfurt, Hamburg and Dresden, as well as a number of other international air hubs, are already down. In addition, the sites of the Federal Foreign Intelligence Service and the Bundestag are down.
Judging by messages on their resources, hackers do not plan to stop there – the attack will also be carried out on government and financial sectors. The day before it became known that Berlin “bent” and will supply Leopard tanks to Kiev. However, this will not happen soon, and Scholz has time to change his mind.

Posted by: Jo | Jan 27 2023 8:10 utc | 313

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 27 2023 7:40 utc | 312
Let me fix that a bit.
Conservative = believes policies are to be changed slowly and on the shoulders of past experiences.
Progressive = believes solely in the power of social engineering and change management as a tool to attack complex techno-societal issues (and failing every time).
Joe Biden’s administration is the most virally progressive so far.

Posted by: alek_a | Jan 27 2023 8:10 utc | 314

@Alex Vadim | Jan 27 2023 7:14 utc | 307
I don’t know where you found that, but it is total bull shit.
Recognizing that war was coming and that the USSR was not yet strong enough to stand alone after a decade futilely attempting to negotiate with the UK and France, Ribbentrop and Molotov negotiated what has been called “the most famous pact in history” in under twenty-four hours, in a continuous meeting all of which is on record in the Russian archives. Only one hitch came up in the negotiations: Stalin demanded two Latvian port towns. Ribbentrop requested a recess. Gene Smith describes:
Ribbentrop agreed to everything, but when Stalin expressed an interest in the Latvian warm-weather ports of Libau and Windau, he said he would have to consult the Leader…. [Ribbentrop] put in a call to Hitler and told him of the Russian request that the Latvian ports be assigned to their
sphere of interest. Hitler sent an orderly for an atlas, looked at the map of the Baltic coastline, noted that the ports were
a stone’s throw from East Prussia, but told Ribbentrop to tell Stalin he was welcome to them.
Smith, Gene (1987). The Dark Summer: An Intimate History of the Events
That Led to World War II. Macmillan. p.197
In essence in the Ribbentrop-
Molotov pact, Hitler conceded that Stalin’s slice of Europe would include Finland, Estonia, Latvia, eastern Poland, Bessarabia, and, later,
Lithuania and Northern Bukovina. Stalin would sell Hitler the food
and raw materials needed to crush his opponents and repatriate to
Hitler all anti-Nazi Germans in his new territories or any who sought
refuge there.
Hitler still admired the English, expected England to recognize that Poland was done for and to stand aside ignoring the guarantees it had provided Beck, and in the medium term, still anticipated an agreement between the UK and Germany to defeat and partition the USSR, always an obsession of his.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 27 2023 8:13 utc | 315

Hermit | Jan 27 2023 8:13 utc | 320
Transcript is the official U.S. State Department translation of official German records.

Posted by: Alex Vadim | Jan 27 2023 8:25 utc | 316

👉👆👉 Ukrainian post….
Russian troops began an assault on Ugledar.
Ugledar is of key importance for the Russian Federation, it is a strategically important point of communications in the south of Donbas, a border for the deployment of the future Ukrainian offensive on the Crimean Corridor.
The capture of Ugledar will significantly improve the strategic position of the Russian army in the Donbass, and will allow the defense to be deepened. The goal of the Russian command in the 2023 campaign is to capture the entire Donbas, or push our army away from the Crimean corridor. To capture Ugledar, the Russians concentrated their best forces – brigades of marines and airborne troops, ammunition stocks.
For us, the successful defense of Ugledar is a task of maximum losses to Russian elite brigades. We remember how the Russians tried to capture Vugledar for the first time in the fall, and stopped in the village of Pavlivka near the city. The Russian regular army is very sensitive to losses, and in the Russian media there was then a wave that the Russian marines were defeated. Ugledar is a convenient line of defense, it is on the heights, the enemy is advancing from the lowlands, there are opportunities to inflict a new defeat on the enemy.
The battle for Vugledar will determine the entire course of the subsequent war in southern Ukraine in 2023.

https://t.me/sitreports/3831

Posted by: Down South | Jan 27 2023 8:28 utc | 317

🇺🇸🇩🇪🇺🇦🇷🇺The “mishmash” of different models of NATO tanks, each of which has different delivery times, creates unprecedented logistical difficulties for Kiev. Therefore, military experts are not sure whether NATO tanks will have a decisive impact on the battlefield this spring.
This is reported by the Washington Post.
Given that Germany has been deciding for too long whether to send tanks, “it is unlikely that Leopard 2 will play a significant role in any spring offensive,” said Franz-Stefan Gadi, senior researcher at the London International Institute for Strategic Studies.
In his opinion, the influence of a “limited number” of Western tanks will depend on the training of Ukrainian crews and on how well the new formations will be integrated on the front line.
The mix of different tank systems is a big logistical challenge, Sonny Butterworth, a tank expert at the defense company Janes, told the publication.
According to him, the British Challenger 2 uses ammunition other than the NATO standard. And the Leopard 2, depending on the country of the operator, has “subtle differences”, even if it is the same model.
For example, the Spanish Leopard A4 may have a different fire control or communication system than the Finnish one, although they are, in fact, compatible.
“Ukrainians will operate several different types of equipment, and they will have to contend with the need to support them with the right spare parts coming to the right units,” Butterworth said.
At the same time, the publication writes that the supply of Western tanks will help to stop shell starvation in the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
“Until now, Ukraine has relied on old Soviet T-72 tanks, which are running out of ammunition in a conflict dominated by heavy artillery. The new tanks will open the door to platforms supporting ammunition that can be replenished by allies.”
“>https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/01/26/ukraine-tanks-leopard-abrams-logistics/

https://t.me/azmilitary11/35094

🇺🇸🇺🇦🇷🇺Ukraine’s new tanks won’t be the instant game-changer some expect
Think of the propaganda victory for Russian President Vladimir Putin if pictures emerge of disabled American tanks on a Ukrainian battlefield. – CNN
“>https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/27/europe/ukraine-war-nato-tanks-analysis-intl-hnk-ml/index.html

https://t.me/azmilitary11/35095

Posted by: Down South | Jan 27 2023 8:33 utc | 318

In Kyiv, local administrations are preparing to get rid of the male population.
At the very least, lists of male employees were requested from all local state enterprises and services.
Apparently, whole teams will be sent to the front.
Who’s ready to die for the West?

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/30922

Posted by: Down South | Jan 27 2023 8:35 utc | 319

@young | Jan 27 2023 0:19 utc | 209
@Arcticman | Jan 27 2023 6:33 utc | 300
There is no “misunderstanding” Daniel (cognate with the Ugaritic hero Daniel). The so-called bible, or book was probably syncretically established by the Akkadian priests of Babylon as a tool to help separate the Hebrews from their previous overlords, the Egyptians, bad guys in all their stories, Daniel is a forgery written long after it was purported to have been by somebody not very knowledgeable about the period he was supposedly prophesizing about. The idea that this nonsensical screed is anything but a noise source out of which religious can – and do – extract whatever they like, is not only utterly unsupported by evidence but is contradicted by the fact that Daniel is a crazy hodgepodge of blatant errors.
And this discussion definitely belongs on the Not Ukraine thread, so if you want to say anything more about it, say it there.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 27 2023 8:35 utc | 320

@alek_a | Jan 27 2023 8:10 utc | 319
The trouble with that is that when you throw out the commonly understood meanings and associated comprehensions of words, you lose the power to communicate at all, because all meaningful communication is based on shared experience and understanding. Without that, as Wittgenstein proved, “Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.”

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 27 2023 8:48 utc | 321

unimperator | Jan 27 2023 6:37 utc | 301
According to Ukraine channels US will be supplying a large number of suicide drones with Ukraine badges for the offensive. That was somewhat confirmed by and MSM article I ran onto that said Ukraine was building suicide drones. It seems the offensive will consist of about a thousand suicide drone, 200? tanks plus assorted IFV’s and artillery. I don’t know how many Ukrainians are been trained outside Ukraine but I assume they and perhaps a large number of Poles will man the equipment and as you say the conscripted cannon fodder to bulk out the infantry.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 27 2023 8:53 utc | 322

Clearly an important new piece by John Helmer suggesting peace-feelers by Blinken to Russia…
Blinken Explainer (Nuland Too)
http://johnhelmer.net/blinken-explainer-nuland-too
“…A breaking news story which has blindsided the mainstream and also the alternative media.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 27 2023 8:56 utc | 323

The problem with the reluctance to send European military equipment to Ukraine is for exactly one reason: nobody knows about its real military potential.
The vast majority of modifications required by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, if they began development in the 80s, ended in the 90s and were modernized already in the “zero”. That is, when no military clashes with industrial powers were expected. And they could make them however they wanted, even on the principle “Do you want a brutal and expensive tank that will never fight, but opens up opportunities to booze the budget? Let’s do this!
This is the importance of delay in the Leopards: no one knows for sure how reliable and effective this technique is in a full-blown war. Maybe it’s just a nice combustible training target and not a tank.
And if so, then the Germans stupidly lose billions of funds for orders and services.
But as always there is a winner… USA.. where EVERYONE is ordering their new tanks.
Reinmetall Germany, for example, has hardly any inquiries from Western countries, Arab countries have put 55% of all orders on hold.
Now wait and see how the “promised” tank proves itself in real use.
Disadvantage of all deliveries to Ukraine:
It is now clear to any customers what PROMISED weapons can and cannot do!
T14 is the most successful tank in Ukraine and the only one that can destroy Leopard Abrahams and co at long range even from the front, and we are talking about distances beyond the range of ALL western tanks.
T14 has the largest gun ever installed on tanks and can fire long calibers.
From this point of view, Russia can wait and see how “West” tanks prove themselves….and all customers worldwide are watching!

Posted by: mo3 | Jan 27 2023 8:57 utc | 324

Think of the propaganda victory for Russian President Vladimir Putin if pictures emerge of disabled American tanks on a Ukrainian battlefield. – CNN
Posted by: Down South | Jan 27 2023 8:33 utc | 323
Think of Putin’s propaganda Victory right: Russia is once again being attacked by German battle tanks.
Any thoughts on which way his approval ratings will go in the coming weeks? Any thoughts on the success of future mobilization waves that may become necessary? Any thoughts on the support of his citizens should he decide to escalate the war beyond the borders of Ukraine?
Unless those tanks turn out to be Game-changing Wunderweapons, NATO just committed a blunder of epic proportions.
And a PS: With the real war being fought in diplomatic arena, both Russia and the West fighting for support by the other 180 countries in the World: will the tanks win support for NATO? Or for Russia?

Posted by: Marvin | Jan 27 2023 8:59 utc | 325

Earl Grey with the Duran. He has been to Donbas recently and speaks of large numbers of anti tank pyramids heading to the frontlines. Russia has set up strong defensive lines along the frontline north of the Donets river and also in the Zap region in the south. They would have moved north of those lines with the recent limited offensive but I assume they will set up new defenses giving a greater depth to the fortified line.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsu9BS-qwg4

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 27 2023 9:06 utc | 326

Now Biden (USA) is already rowing back as far as their tanks are concerned, with delivery dates from 2024 onwards.
It would be embarrassing for the Americans if their tanks burned… their industry lost customers in rows.
Disadvantage of arms shipments to the “shop window” Ukraine where customers can now see practical capabilities of the highly acclaimed arms.
Think of F35 and co.
On the other hand, videos are circulating on Telegram where hundreds of Abrahams are already driving through Germany on freight trains!!!
All heading east…
Ergo: Will there be an escalation sooner or later….the desired escalation, it seems…
The last chance for the West to maintain its system ” supremacy “, because Ukraine has now become essential for the West !!!
Biden and & never expected that, their analysts were once again WRONG as so often!

Posted by: mo3 | Jan 27 2023 9:13 utc | 327

“Pantsir” shoots down two packages of HIMARS – 12 missiles. They are intercepted at the same place on the video
(https://t.me/polk105/1703) Advertisement for “Pantsir”
Next should be Russian ATGMs and tanks on “Leopards” and “Abrams”.
Then Su-35 and S-400 on the F16.
https://t.me/azmilitary11/35071

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 27 2023 9:21 utc | 328

The RAND people have just published a new study titled “Avoiding a Long war”
https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PEA2510-1.html
with very interesting cost-benefit discussions – a must read. It seems that there are some people in the US considering a more realistic approach to the outcome of the conflict.

Posted by: Udkanten | Jan 27 2023 9:22 utc | 329

I see on social media that in addition to Latvia, Poland and Netherlands have also started to collect info on refugees of mobilization age, to send back.
If they manage to find enough in 1-2 months, both in Ukr and EU, they may try to attack exactly like before, suicide mode without any way of holding the positions or doing anything else but trying to destroy some city or whatever they can reach.
Knowing now, after a year, that the Russian general staff is mostly idiots like Surovikin, there will be no protection anywhere and far from enough soldiers to defend anything (anyone seen the 150k allegedly mobilized to Ukr?), they will retreat and lose Zap. or something else, so the offensive kamikaze action will be faked as successful and will ensure years of support from the braindead population of natostan and more dangerous weapons for Ukr. Also means US will sell a lot more weapons when Russia can’t sell because of high use in Ukr (the same staff shooting useless targets that can’t turn lights off more than a day) and no demand from others because of fear of sanctions. Like I’ve said before, Syrianization of Russia is going very well

Posted by: rk | Jan 27 2023 9:26 utc | 330

Latest Macgregor…
Douglas Macgregor – A Huge Offensive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yGozTWRqLk
This one was interesting for two reasons:
1) He tempered his estimate of the number of Russians in Belarus. He had been saying 100,000, now he says “80-100,000 – “and it could be more or it could be less. It’s hard to see up there.” He continues by saying there is a lot of hardware going into Belarus.
Mercouris has suggested that what is happening in Belarus is the integration of the Belarus army into the Russian army. This would make sense. It would explain the disparity in numbers of the Russian troops – you simply add in the Belarus forces. It also explains the new hardware – they’re re-equipping the Belarus army to Russian standards as part of the CSTO.
2) He essentially agrees with me that a large new offensive may NOT be immediately in the offing, until the Donbass has been ground down. He points out that in the Zaporizhia region, there is some flat and undulating terrain, and if the Russians see an opening they may try a more rapid advance in that direction. He then says:

“But the Russians have proven, over the last few months, to be very deliberate. The understand the impact of linking the overhead intelligence, the surveillance and reconnaissance assets, terrestrial and space-based, to the various strikes systems. They used their air force very effectively as part of this larger strike approach. I don’t see that changing very much. I don’t think they’re going to put ground forces at risk of being suddenly attacked by weapons and troops that they have not already identified by moving too quickly. But those slow, deliberate grinds will have an effect. My own thinking is that we’re going to see all of this happen in the East first, and when the East is largely devoid of Ukrainian resistanceand cleared, that’s when you will see the crossing of the Dnieper River and the northern offensive begin, because one of the stated goals from the very beginning of this discussion about offensives has been to cut off Ukraine from the Polish border. That has to happen. And something is going to have to be done about the regime in Kiev. But that will be the last thing that I think is on the agenda.”

This is pretty much what I’ve been saying lately. It appears he has adjusted his opinion about a large, multi-axis offensive – or more precisely, that he also believes as I do that it’s a question of WHEN such an offensive might occur, and not whether it will occur.
He further states:

“But it just won’t look like a WWII blitzkreig. I keep hearing people talk about blitzkreig. That was a different era, and that kind of capability exists, but it’s not something that you do in this era when you have an ISR strike arrayed against you.”

Worth listening to the whole thing.

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Jan 27 2023 9:29 utc | 331

Do NOT forget one thing with all deliveries of GERMAN tanks American tanks!
The mental effect on Russians…. German tanks on Russian soil against Russian soldiers!
Ukraine is for 85% of all Russians = Russia !!!
Putin will gain approval… for sure!
But the hardliners under the leadership too !!!!!!!!!!!!
Hardliners who have been pressuring Putin for a long time to act harder… intercept deliveries of weapons on the way to Poland in Poland Romania etc.
Opinions…. to teach the West a lesson Targets in Poland in Germany and be it first sending a warning with conventional warheads will now be much stronger…
China will have to stay out of it, because if China breaks with Putin….you are the next target!
China now needs the alliance with Putin almost more than the other way round !!!
But as I said: DO NOT underestimate the effect of German tanks in Russia on the population…..which could even lead to this???
That a small soviet union closes together again….
Georgia lost millions of soldiers in World War II…Uzbeks / Mongolians etc. could suddenly put their quarrels on the back burner and become combat brothers again.
Everything in Russia, too, a matter of the media of the probaganda …
Russians are just people who believe what the media say to them, like those in the West… see DE, see USA
I was in Russia for about 12 years….never underestimated their mentality when it comes to war….no matter if you support Putin so far….you will volunteer for service en masse!!

Posted by: mo3 | Jan 27 2023 9:31 utc | 332

❗️🇷🇺🇭🇺Those Hungarians who voluntarily surrendered and were captured by Russia will not be handed over to the Ukrainian side and will be immediately transferred to Hungary.
The surrendering Hungarians must immediately declare that they are Hungarians.
On Tuesday, Russian military expert Igor Korotchenko suggested to the Transcarpathian Hungarian soldiers conscripted into the Ukrainian army that they surrender to the Russian army as soon as they get to the front. The collected Hungarian prisoners of war are later transported by air to Budapest and handed over to Viktor Orbán.
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/49026

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 27 2023 9:48 utc | 333

@ # 2 uncle tungsten & al.
Here’s a serious question towards those possibly knowledgeable in disciplines like metallurgy, machine-building & the like: Would it be totally wrong to speak of one central, and the most important, element of mb-tanks as being completely unprotected and bleak to outer mechanical forces – namely the barrels of their (main-) guns? Are those – being the most approachable & exposed part of a tank – really that sturdy to be completely undestroyable or at least renderable useless? Nobody could deny mb-tanks being only suitable for flattening flowers’ borders and redevelopment areas but nothing else, as long they could somehow get »bereaved« of their barrels? Why aren’t there solutions in that direction yet?

Posted by: Yogi | Jan 27 2023 9:50 utc | 334

Annalena is worse. Of course her one year course at the LSE in public international law and her unfinished doctorate in natural disasters and international law has provided her with an excellent training in being a one woman disaster in German Foreign Affairs.
Posted by: Paul McGrory | Jan 27 20
Stupidity?
Incompetent lack of awareness?
Or something more malicious and sinister?
Remember her I don’t care what the voter’s think comment!
Some seriously unhinged freaks integrated in the German political system.
Not a good advertiser for the public list election where you have these idiot’s foisted whether you like them or not.
Or are greens smug well to do nihilists who really don’t care about people?

Posted by: jpc | Jan 27 2023 10:01 utc | 335

Re: Neoconservatism
By ‘neocon’ I mean the US disciples of the Jewish German Heideggerean philosopher Leo Strauss such as Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Irving Kristol and the Kagan clan amongst many others. Empowered by the Bush dynasty and MI profiteers their rampant militarism has dominated US foreign policy since the 911 atrocity. When Obama clinched the presidency the Clintons brought a number of Bush affiliated ‘neocons’ into the State Dept and continued the war mongering through North Africa and West Asia just to prove her hawkish credentials for the post-Obama run for the Whitehouse. Likewise when Trump dudded Jeb Bush the non-Clinton neocons fled to Hillary’s camp.
By ‘neocon’ I mean a fully ideologically committed, anti-democratic, militaristic and totally modern Yankee fascist movement at the heart of US foreign policy going back to the Nixon years and unleashed since Bush II. A death cult who know no masters, and for whom total war is a means to an end in the service of power:

If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely, and we don’t try to piece together clever diplomacy but just wage a total war, our children will sing great songs about us years from now.
Richard Perle

Posted by: Zeug Gezeugt | Jan 27 2023 10:06 utc | 336

@ # 99:
….
I have heard it said that Baerbock is the most popular politician in Germany. She’s safe. Her entire career is built on lies and deceptions, and the German people at large don’t seem to care.
….
It seems to be that way. But even the (West-) Germans – while often shidden virtually the most stupid people around and, to a certain amount, politically being really retarded – are not completely and as an aggregate dumb & numb. Looking on things concerning your assumption, much of that IMO is also mostly nothing but propaganda: One of Germany’s new Wannabe-Massas – Baerbock or Habeck – last year ostensibly had been rewarded being »Politician of the Year«. No research is capable of showing, that such a title or commendation had ever officially existed in Germany.

Posted by: Yogi | Jan 27 2023 10:09 utc | 337

Der Standard, a daily newspaper from Austria, reports today: The crack between the Kremlin and the Russian private army Wagner is getting bigger
https://www.derstandard.at/story/2000142933808/prigoshins-armee-die-probably-maechtigste-privatarmee-der-welt-einsetz-already
German propaganda reports today: “Putin’s ‘super tank’ could be an air act”
“The Armata has only rolled back and forth in front of the television cameras so far. That’s why nobody in the West can say anything more specific about it. But if we now look at the fact that everyone has been misled about the true state of the Russian army, it is true almost nothing is impossible. Vladimir Putin’s “super tank” could be an air act.”
https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/panorama/wissen/geschichte/id_100117728/putins-super-panzer-t-14-armata-experte-koennte-eine-luftnummer-sein–10623082.html
In Germany, Austria everything points to victory of Ukraine.
When will Germany deliver arms and tanks to Palestine? Here, too, areas illegally occupied by Israel must be liberated! Anna Lena should also take care of the Palestinians’ right to self-determination.! Tanks are peace!

Posted by: Bonfire Night | Jan 27 2023 10:16 utc | 338

John Helmer has an interesting take on behind the scenes ‘diplomacy’ by Blinken via the WaPo, suggesting some major US concessions are being floated:
http://johnhelmer.org/blinken-explainer-nuland-too/#more-70544
https://tntradiolive.podbean.com/e/john-helmer-with-jeremy-beck-26-january-2023/

Posted by: Et Tu | Jan 27 2023 10:17 utc | 339

The battle for Artemovsk continues: “AFU is transferring additional units to the city, but they are already suffering losses on the approaches”
Deputy commander of the 2nd Army corps of the LPR and the commander of the special forces “Akhmat” Apty Alaudinov.
Other sources (https://t.me/voenacher/38500)claim that In the Bakhmut direction, the Armed Forces of Ukraine transferred two more motorized infantry battalions to the Paraskovievka(north of the city where situation is critical for their north supply and road route) area and the fighting is hard…
https://t.me/azmilitary11/35113

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 27 2023 10:25 utc | 340

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 27 2023 7:40 utc | 312
Nice definitions of terms. But after that it went a bit pear shaped

Posted by: Tim | Jan 27 2023 10:26 utc | 341

The security expert Claudia Major from the Science and Politics Foundation spoke on Friday in the ZDF “Morgenmagazin” about an “extremely unfortunate slip of the tongue” by Baerbock, who is now being exploited by Russian state propaganda.
So, it was an extremely unlucky slip of the tongue! Germany is not at war with Russia. Everything clarified. After Baerbock’s statements, the Foreign Office also made it clear that Germany was “not a party to the conflict”. Now has to be good, as we say in Germany!

Posted by: Bonfire Night | Jan 27 2023 10:40 utc | 342

Baerbocks “we are at war with Russia” isn’t the only blurp. Also another minister in an unnamed country in North EUrope said that “we are at war with Russia… ahem… energy war with Russia”. It’s all sub-conscious conditioning.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 27 2023 10:44 utc | 343

@karlof1 | Jan 27 2023 0:32 utc | 211

Apparently, some have trouble with basic logic and cause–>effect.

Sometimes logic does not fit the agenda.
Too bad for the logic

Posted by: Vajezatha | Jan 27 2023 10:46 utc | 344

@# 177: …
But well, she may be less hypocritacal than most Western politicians.

Really shure about that? This person even showcased herself being nothing less than emissary of feminism (in foreign policy), doing those things that this hideous Mrs. Clinton had entitled as »masculine foreign policy« 10 to 15 years ago. This persons level of hypocrisy resembles that of a small child, not of an adult, challenging even Scholtz all the time.

Posted by: Yogi | Jan 27 2023 10:49 utc | 345

# 343
.
To Panzer Armada
Armada itself is just the platform on which up to 34 different superstructures can be built…also guns/tanks/mortars etc.
Armat peculiarity below… the turret is no longer manned, all three crew members sit next to each other in the bow of the tank.
Which makes room in the tower of the Panzerversin for e.g. the largest and most powerful gun that has ever been installed on a tank, now in 2 versions !!
This enables a destruction range that is beyond the range of the Leopard, let alone the Abrahams, it can also be used to shoot long calibers, the automatic loader is more efficient than any loader, which is already evident from the reaction time and physical strain….up to 12 Shots per minute is NOT achieved by a loader as is necessary in every WEST tank.
Armata as a tank version, also known as the T 14, is in use in the Ukraine in a few pieces….no secret service really knows how many there are…it is certain that it has been in series production since 2019
Tiktok also shows exactly what the tank can do with live videos and other sources have also published a few existing videos every now and then.
Why a few…..now we are talking about Russia…what is supposed to stay secret usually stays secret.
Considering the size of the country… relatively easy compared to industrial sites in Europe!
In the east of Russia (Moscow – east of the country further than Moscow – USA !!!!! Whole self-sufficient cities industrial complexes were created…we can only guess what is being manufactured there….
Ergo: The lack of information is simply NORMAL and wanted.
The Russia developed hypersonic and the success e.g. was like a blow for CIA and & possibly suspected but NEVER known with certainty !!
.
To Wagner:
Well, you probably talk yourself into what you would like to have!!!
Wagner without Putin = 0 where does he get his weapons from…superior weapons like Solesar suggests.

Posted by: mo3 | Jan 27 2023 10:50 utc | 346

jpc | Jan 27 2023 10:01 utc | 340
They’re puppets, no need for brains.
However, Barecock’s speech is pure PR gold but Russia isn’t using it, only Zakharova had a little weak online message and was again briefly mentioned in her press conference today. If they don’t care, why should we?

Posted by: rk | Jan 27 2023 10:52 utc | 347

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 27 2023 3:32 utc | 262
It just now occurred to me that Russia has yet to unveil its thermobaric weaponry
I agree that thermobarics are about the only effective ways to deal with massed ‘human wave’ like attacks (if the Ukrainians ever get that desperate), however I think the key reason thermobarics may not have seen as intensive use as might be possible would be their relatively short range, requiring careful positioning within range of the enemy, and their certain dependence on weather conditions to be effective (for fuel ignition).
Perhaps those remote control tank robots might make an appearance …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 27 2023 10:59 utc | 348

The Russia developed hypersonic and the success e.g. was like a blow for CIA and & possibly suspected but NEVER known with certainty !!
mo3 | Jan 27 2023 10:50 utc | 351
Actually it’s the opposite. Russia has spoken about its hypersonics many years ago, long before it went into production. Western MSM and “experts” declared it impossible at that time, I remember reading those articles at that time, was very funny. Even today you can find “experts” in MSM saying they’re not really hypersonic, Putin is lying. If you search the Combat Approved episode (or the original episode in Russian) you’ll see that is has an even more distant history.

Posted by: rk | Jan 27 2023 11:05 utc | 349

@# 240: …
~~
France ‘could’ agree to Ukraine’s demands for fighter jets, the chairman of the French defence committee says – The Telegraph
“The Danes and Eastern Europe countries are thinking about it.”
~~
The Dutch had even been faster, virtually, while still a little »diplomatically« twisted, nearly having already offered their F 16 as could have been read yesterday evening somewhere on some msm-site.

Posted by: Yogi | Jan 27 2023 11:09 utc | 350

Hermit | Jan 27 2023 8:13 utc | 320
I do respect your views on German Russian non-aggression pact. It was timely. However you are mixing two different historical events. I will attach a link for more information. I was simply asking for anything new on this subject to read. I guess nothing new from archives or literature. Cheers
https://erenow.net/ww/risefallthirdreich/134.php

Posted by: Alex Vadim | Jan 27 2023 11:13 utc | 351

The soviet union would never have allowed itself to be used as proxy by Fascist Germany against the British Empire. They were preparing for the struggle, the protracted war against imperialism since the 1920s. Sure they would trade with them and train with them in order to develop themselves, but Stalin understood Fascism and its danger very well. He was as clear-eyed as they come.

Posted by: Lachlan | Jan 27 2023 11:14 utc | 352

He also understood that the differences between Fascist imperialism and Liberal imperialism were of degree and not type, Or more precisely of aesthetic – as the British empire was almost as bad as nazi Germany ever was, it just styled itself differently, more liberally. It’s telling that all the liberals in Germany gladly lined themselves up behind the fascist cause.

Posted by: Lachlan | Jan 27 2023 11:18 utc | 353

Lachlan | Jan 27 2023 11:14 utc | 357
True. And they (SU) did not allowed themselves to be played by Germany. The cost of that decision is another story…

Posted by: Alex Vadim | Jan 27 2023 11:27 utc | 354

@ Paul McGrory | Jan 27 2023 6:49 utc | 302

a one woman disaster in German Foreign Affairs
….
Simply wonderful! YMM[and several others’]D!

Posted by: Yogi | Jan 27 2023 11:39 utc | 355

Cookie “FtheEU” Nuland Father:
Sherwin B. Nuland
Sherwin Bernard Nuland (born Shepsel Ber Nudelman; December 8, 1930 – March 3, 2014) was an American surgeon and writer who taught bioethics, history of medicine, and medicine at the Yale School of Medicine, and occasionally bioethics and history of medicine at Yale College.
His 1994 book How We Die: Reflections on Life’s Final Chapter was a New York Times Best Seller and won the National Book Award for Nonfiction,[2] as well as being a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize.
In 2011 Nuland was awarded the Jonathan Rhoads Gold Medal of the American Philosophical Society, for “Distinguished Service to Medicine.”[3]
Nuland wrote non-academic articles for The New Yorker, The New York Times, The New Republic, Time, MIT Technology Review and the New York Review of Books. He was a fellow of the Hastings Center, an independent bioethics research institution.
Nuland was born in The Bronx, New York City, to immigrant Ukrainian Jewish parents, Meyer Nudelman and Vitsche Lutsky.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Ukraine

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 27 2023 11:40 utc | 356

Why has Putin not sent out professional hit men after the likes of Boris Johnson, George Soros, the Davos Dildo Schwab etc.
Posted by: jgalt | Jan 26 2023 21:06 utc | 140

What if we killed the bad guys at birth? There would be no reprisals.

Posted by: Leuk | Jan 27 2023 11:41 utc | 357

the big news over the last few days is the soon-to-happen round up of Ukrainian citizens in the EU and likely in North America.
Millions of Ukrainians fled Ukraine since 2014. Some 2/3s of workine age citizens voted with their feet. What’s going tp be the response of a 35 year old ukie guy whose been living in Austria for the last 6 years raising a family, working at a local factory when the press gangs come for him ? Whats gping to be the reaction of his co-workers ?
what will be the reaction of the oh so sensitive social democrat – greens when Millions of refugees are rounded up ?

Posted by: exile | Jan 27 2023 11:43 utc | 358

Can someone help me with my maths…
How many western tanks crossing the border into Uqraine = equals one nato war against Russia.
Given that the exchainge rate could be different in nato compared to Russia.
Anyone foolishly suggesting Uqraine invited them in. fails the test automatically.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 27 2023 11:48 utc | 359

aristodemos @ 262

It just now occurred to me that Russia has yet to unveil its thermobaric weaponry

Arch Bungle @ 353

Perhaps those remote control tank robots might make an appearance

Calling this nonsense out, when it’s tech from the west it’s wunderwaffen, but when from the RF it’s, if not a game changer, a notable piece of kit, wowzer! I’ll make an exception for this though, it’s some crazy shit: https://t.me/Slavyangrad/30907

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 27 2023 11:54 utc | 360

This morning Russia is announcing that the fortified Ukrainian stronghold of Ugledar has fallen to the Russians.
Google translate needed.
https://warnews247.gr/asyllipti-itta-ton-oukranon-fernei-neo-ntomino-katarrefsis-oi-rosoi-me-mia-keravnovola-epithesi-pairnoun-to-ugledar-i-poli-frourio-epese/

Posted by: jgalt | Jan 27 2023 12:03 utc | 361

@ # 341:
Well – it seems this … guy … named Perle not for nothing had been titled »Prince of Darkness« in the States already some years ago.

Posted by: Yogi | Jan 27 2023 12:03 utc | 362

How many drone strikes did Obama do with many innocents who were collateral damage? Over 100000 that he oversaw personally.
https://original.antiwar.com/nicolas_davies/2017/01/18/obamas-bombing-legacy/

Posted by: jgalt | Jan 27 2023 12:06 utc | 363

exile | Jan 27 2023 11:43 utc | 363
“What’s going tp be the response of a 35 year old ukie guy whose been living in Austria for the last 6 years raising a family, working at a local factory when the press gangs come for him ?”
If he can’t find a place to hide, meek submission.
“Whats gping to be the reaction of his co-workers ?”
Nothing. Gladness it’s not them (yet; see below.)
“what will be the reaction of the oh so sensitive social democrat – greens when Millions of refugees are rounded up ?”
They’ll denounce the shirkers for not voluntarily rushing home to enlist and forcing the saints of azov to come get them.
It’s gotten to the point that, assuming NATO can keep feeding the meat grinder with enough weapons, once they run out of Ukrainian meatbags where are they going to get more? Back in the 90s Soros already was forecasting that NATO can use up all of eastern Europe as a cannon fodder resource. And then who’s next? Given how things are going, it’s certainly not out of the question we’ll see mass conscription and then press gangs in all western European cities dragooning the Europeans themselves.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jan 27 2023 12:10 utc | 364

the big news over the last few days is the soon-to-happen round up of Ukrainian citizens in the EU and likely in North America.
@ exile | Jan 27 2023 11:43 utc | 363
Further to your question…
Who gets sent to Ukraine first, Ukrainians who have fled to the U.S. since 2014 or American troops?
Likewise Canada, will they send recent Ukrainian arrivals back to Ukraine before they send Canadian troops?
Will the American and Canadian populations accept their guys coming home in a body-bag while their
able-bodied neighbor Ukrainian immingrant mows his lawn and has a cold beer on his patio? Hmmmm…
(OT, but as a life-long Detroit Red Wings fan I just may support sending Canadiens to Ukraine. Just joking Habs fans, just joking.)

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jan 27 2023 12:11 utc | 365

The Faker is now saying a war between Russia and NATOstan is inevitable and he will close his Junkyard if that happens, or maybe even if it doesn’t happen, I don’t know exactly what he’s saying.
This same Faker ordered me off his site two years ago when I said Putin’s failure to either prevent the Maidan or crush the nazis in 2014 or to allow the LDNR to crush the nazis in 2015 means Russia will inevitably have to fight a major war in Ukraine against NATO regular forces in Ukrainian uniform.
https://thesaker.is/an-update-about-the-blog/
He’s still better than Martyanov, who insults commanders and media people actually under shelling on the ground in Donetsk and acts as though he’s got a direct pipeline to the Russian general staff when his own military experience was that of a low level Coast Guard officer…in 1990.
Right, now go ahead and call me an idiot and a troll, MoA comment forum MENSA candidates.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 27 2023 12:23 utc | 366

[370]
Be fascinating then perhaps I won‘t keep seeing €90,000 SUVs with UA plates everywhere. These guys obviously had a comfy ride across Europe in new ostentatious Mercedes, Toyota, Audi, BMW land ships
They kindly repainted telephone switching boxes yellow and blue although some have been repainted red and white
I won‘t need to wonder about BW types slouching around in Flecktarn with hands in pockets or with shoulder length female locks or hanging around looking positively unmartial

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 27 2023 12:33 utc | 367

Re. Yogi | Jan 27 2023 9:50 utc | 339 and thermobaric weaponry in general:
Your question about the barrels of tanks being the critical part of a tank made me wonder what temperature is reached when a thermobaric weapon is detonated. I know that hardening of most tool steels (depending on the alloys) occurs when a temperature above 1680 to 2000 degrees F is reached. Tempering or softening is at a lower temperature. Sciencedirect.com informs “The post-explosive temperature is commonly between 2500 K and 4000 K in confined spaces.” I think 2500K = 4000F. This temperature would also probably ignite any volatile fuels or weapons in tanks which would destroy the tank before effecting the integrity of the barrel. Wikipedia says “Their reliance on atmospheric oxygen makes them unsuitable for use under water, at high altitude, and in adverse weather. They are, however, considerably more effective when used in enclosed spaces such as tunnels, buildings and non-hermetically sealed field fortifications (foxholes, covered slit trenches, bunkers)”

Posted by: Quid Me Vexare | Jan 27 2023 12:33 utc | 368

Lachlan [357]
Hitler offered Stalin India but Josef wanted Denmark and Hitler knew why

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 27 2023 12:35 utc | 369

[348]
Not just that but German media is obscuring what she said. Welt for instance overlaid her soundtrack with German translation „fighting Russia“ rather than „at war with Russia“
Amazing how easily Germans are fooled and do not seek out English words

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 27 2023 12:39 utc | 370

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 27 2023 7:40 utc | 312
Absolutely spot on, full stop. The rip off will continue even after the afflicted lash out at each other in misplaced rage.

Posted by: MillerJ | Jan 27 2023 12:43 utc | 371

Not just that but German media is obscuring what she said. Welt for instance overlaid her soundtrack with German translation „fighting Russia“ rather than „at war with Russia“
Amazing how easily Germans are fooled and do not seek out English words
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 27 2023 12:39 utc | 375
Not a murmur anywhere in MSM.
Amazing!
Idiot declares a state of war.
Tumbleweed!
Interesting to see what jolts MSM!

Posted by: jpc | Jan 27 2023 12:48 utc | 372

Anyone know the legality of sending refugees and emigres home for conscription? Someone with some actual legal knowledge? Seems to me to be very illegal, it would need a lot of process to determine specific status, work, family, kids, health, mental physical fitness, and some sort of decree, which EU leader or parliamentarian is going to push such a decree? Are the German, French, Italian, Spanish police going to forcibly grab people with friends and kin screaming and crying on the street? That will look real good on the night news. Fun to watch the spin, “but we are helping Ukraine”.
It would set a precedent across the board too. Maybe India will ask for Sunak to be extradited for military service?
So much nonsense since the internet was invented.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 27 2023 12:55 utc | 373

“After the conquest of England the British Empire would be apportioned as a gigantic world-wide estate in bankruptcy of 40 million square kilometres.
Posted by: Alex Vadim | Jan 27 2023 7:14 utc | 307
As Hitler has been shown not to even have been seriously interested in conquering England, it’s unlikely that any language about a world-wide estate would have been more than just verbiage.

Posted by: laguerre | Jan 27 2023 12:57 utc | 374

Incredible that the west are now supporting genocide and NAZISM.
https://amgreatness.com/2023/01/26/inside-the-nazi-whitewash-of-ukraine/

Posted by: jgalt | Jan 27 2023 12:57 utc | 375

It’s going to difficult to send them back to Ukraine without rounding them up en masse.
Most western legal systems have the concept of a hearing and due process even for non citizens before a person can be forcibly deported. To extradite requires a hearing before a judge.

Posted by: Chris | Jan 27 2023 12:58 utc | 376

We’ll thwart their spring plan
📝 Journalist Yury Podolyaka on the supply of military equipment:
▪️Our aviation and artillery are actively working in Ugledar. First, there must be a fire defeat of the enemy. Our heavy equipment will support the infantry, then we need to remove the snipers from the roofs. And only then will begin more active preparations for the assault. Carbon is important because we are taking away enemy reserves.
▪️As practice has shown, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are throwing reserves here from under Artyomovsk. Either the enemy does not have a strategic reserve, or he is being cherished for a rainy day. Now the entire front line is rippling, our troops are trying to go everywhere. Therefore, any local defeat incurs heavy losses for the Ukrainians.
▪️For Kyiv, the loss of 5-10 thousand people is already critical. Until the enemy trains reserves for the spring campaign, we will keep moving forward. We now need to inflict such a defeat on the Armed Forces of Ukraine that they will already begin to spend reserves to eliminate breakthroughs. We, in turn, need to prepare our reserves so that the Ukrainians cannot even launch an offensive.
▪️The winter offensive campaign no longer took place, because the Armed Forces of Ukraine were defeated near Soledar and suffered heavy losses near Artyomovsk. Stocks preparing for the winter were used up.
▪️Those columns of tanks that show are not related to deliveries. The Americans will send 31 Abrams. It must be understood that these are tanks produced in the early 90s from storage. They still need to be put on alert. The Americans will provide the tanks with minimal plating and armor. It is obvious that sooner or later the technology will still be in our hands. It is important for the United States to convince Kyiv to go on the offensive. There are still about 3.5 thousand tanks in storage, they can be delivered for a long time. However, in terms of level, they are like our T-72 and T-80.
▪️“Leopards” will be delivered faster, many tanks will come from Poland, Germany and Spain. Poland announced the delivery of 60 tanks. The position of the Western countries is disastrous. They don’t have enough technology anymore.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/30983

Posted by: Down South | Jan 27 2023 13:05 utc | 377

@# 375
Surely – there is no doubt tanks can be smashed with a big stick, thermobaric weapons, as you said, being one additional means. But would it really be impossible to render mbt’s at least temporarily unusable by – small being beautiful, as is well known – lowlier but the more sophisticated means? Nearly everybody knows about the great effect a small potatoe had in a car’s muffler tip in the days of youth. What, if some »intelligent« devices existed, capable of »recognizing« the muzzles of the invincible tanks’ guns to come and jamming them in a suitable way or similarly spoiling them? Then thought as swarms of them – how long would it take ’til all the machine guns cartridge belts would be empty?

Posted by: Yogi | Jan 27 2023 13:07 utc | 378

@jgalt 380
Today I was reminded that in 2021 Anatoly Karlin predicted that Russia would soon be blamed by NATOstani “history” for the Holocaust.
The process is well begun.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jan 27 2023 13:08 utc | 379

Biswapriya Purkayast @ 371
I’m hear you, I see the same contradictions, a part of pro RF crowd has their own memory hole to fill. War brings out all the chaos of the human condition even for the good guys.
Martyanov is an old man in his home office smelling his own farts going on the internet describing the perfume. Doesn’t mean he senseless and won’t be proved right in the end but that wouldn’t make him brilliant, even a stuck clock is right twice a day. Compared to the idiocy and purely constructed bullshit coming from the western msm pretty much anyone with an alt view seems brilliant today.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 27 2023 13:08 utc | 380

What we warned about is happening, but the Office of the President.
– growing contradiction between staff officers and soldiers
– a drop in morale due to stupid mobilization, where they drag everyone by force.
This threatens that under pressure from the enemy of the Defense, the ranks will crumble creating holes, as happened in Soledar, when part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine left, and part did not even know about it and fell into a partial environment.

https://t.me/legitimniy/14656

Posted by: Down South | Jan 27 2023 13:12 utc | 381

For each of the political opponents, the Office of the President, the SBU arranged surveillance, to the point that their movement is monitored abroad.
To do this, use their phones and other methods of surveillance.
The task is to catch them on the zashkvar and discredit them.
Sometimes material or information is leaked specifically to journalists.
Poroshenko has long been faced with this and stopped going on vacation and so on. Here Julia Vladimirovna relaxed and got caught on vacation in Dubai.

https://t.me/legitimniy/14655

Posted by: Down South | Jan 27 2023 13:13 utc | 382

Oh sorry (conc. #383): The numeration of the posts having changed, the posting meant is no longer #375, but #373.

Posted by: Yogi | Jan 27 2023 13:19 utc | 384

That will look real good on the night news. Fun to watch the spin, “but we are helping Ukraine”.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 27 2023 12:55 utc | 378
Like that or complete silence. They don’t report anything from Donbass, why would they start with something bad at home? Tell them they will be moved to a different location so you don’t have to force them into the trucks, disable phone numbers, block wifi along the route and back to Zely before midnight.
I see more videos from the hunt for meat in Kiev. It seems they don’t have many options left, they’re taking from the biggest nazi supporters, the party people of Kiev. And they’ve closed the subway station during the latest air raid alarms, so when people arrived they had the surprise of becoming instant soldiers. Or that video a few days ago with a fake ambulance collecting men on the streets. Very creative people

Posted by: rk | Jan 27 2023 13:31 utc | 385

@jgalt 380
Today I was reminded that in 2021 Anatoly Karlin predicted that Russia would soon be blamed by NATOstani “history” for the Holocaust.
Biswapriya Purkayast @ 384
The process is well begun.
I was pointing this out to friends. They’ve been slowly but systematically excluding Russia from WW2 memorials in the west for 20ys now. At first it seemsed like petty rancor and part of the various scattered sanctions, but in hindsight you see it was all very systematic and planned going back to around 1997. It’s been a slow but incessant post cold war demonizing of Russia that reached the crescendo last year. A good part of the timing involved having had to wait for the last of the WW2 generation in the USA, France, and UK to die off.
Only people interested in rewriting the history of the holocaust and who really liberated the camps are fascists, ergo, pretty clear the west is now fascist. Just a few more years before the Golden Billion declares the fourth Reich proudly and outright. This time with all the west aboard including Israel, you can’t make this dystopian shit up.
I said before when a rat dies the fleas don’t die they jump to a new rat, when the German rat was killed by the allies the Nazi fleas jumped onto the new rat, Russia was spared as it was wearing an anti-nazi communist flea collar.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 27 2023 13:31 utc | 386

Re. Yogi | Jan 27 2023 13:07 utc @ 383
I think it really comes down to if you can see them they can see you so I wouldn’t advise creeping around a tank crew’s supporting troops with a potato. I know you are thinking of inexpensive solutions but where is the profit in that? However, here is another idea promoted by the MIC, touted as air defense, probably because they can make some more money off it. Here is an extract: “During his brief time as Prime Minister of Israel, Naftali Bennett last year claimed that the nation’s Iron Beam laser interception system successfully shot down a missile, at a cost of $3.50 per shot. That’s significantly less expensive than the PAC-3 missiles used in the Patriot air defense system, which cost $4 million a piece.”
Linky: Buck Rogers Lives

Posted by: Quid Me Vexare | Jan 27 2023 13:38 utc | 387

LightYearsFromHome | Jan 27 2023 12:55 utc | 378

Maybe India will ask for Sunak to be extradited for military service?

Kind of a nice idea, could sth. like that be a really wicked trick in order to breed discord between members of the Global South, if Kenia climbed on the bandwagon too. Realistically though, Mr. Sunak rather would threaten with marching in as the new massa of the – as some people hope – revived British Empire.

Posted by: Yogi | Jan 27 2023 13:44 utc | 388

@ LightYearsFromHome | Jan 27 2023 13:31 utc | 391
Very astute. Quite true when one looks back re events & commemorations over time.

Posted by: Outraged | Jan 27 2023 13:45 utc | 389

Be interesting to see how Russian PTKM-1R anti-tank mines perform once programmed for Leopards and Abrams. They supposed penetrate turret from above

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 27 2023 14:02 utc | 390

Without that, as Wittgenstein proved, “Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.”
Posted by: Hermit | Jan 27 2023 8:48 utc | 326

Hardly a “proof”, more of an admonishment, Buddha would have approved. And an admission of the limitations of language and logic, explored more deeply by Godel, Korzybski, etc.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 27 2023 14:03 utc | 391

Quid me vexare @ 392
Just take a track off, the things a sitting duck then plus isolated said tank from its refuelling back up and smoke them out via air intake. Cut visabilty from within (blind spots)
Drone tecknowlge. This is new untested conditions. Tanks will not be as effective as ww2. Any time now measures will be taken to slow or prevent them getting near a front line. We noted the precise surgical strikes on the power grid, expect similar on access routes now/soon.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 27 2023 14:06 utc | 392

@ # 392:
The named potato was only an example in the general sense of »little cause, but considerable effect«, nothing more. Therefore creeping around a tank with even potatoes, as you say, never was meant as a remedy against them. Anyway – the big profit of »inexpensive solutions« should be clear: Avoiding total destruction of those invincible tanks would mean a much easier life for the merchants of scrap metal, but, in the first place and even more, preventing further environmental destruction by additionally feeding up the soil with again thousands of gallons of mineral oil and hydraulic liquids. Further on here: If those claims of Mr. Bennet were true – provided those Iron Beam Laser really existed – whouldn’t such a thing also be suitable for some »reworking« of the guns’ barrels of those invincable tanks in the field?

Posted by: Yogi | Jan 27 2023 14:13 utc | 393

Terminator(YMMV):
Terminator(youtube)
Found at Smoothie’s.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 27 2023 14:16 utc | 394

Apparently the Aachen carnivalists are still thinking, this war can be ridiculed by bestowing Baerbock with a special order, the so-called “Orden wider den tierischen Ernst “Medal for Combating Deadly Seriousness” awarded during Carnival” by the Aachen carnivalists on February 6th.
Annalena Baerbock is being honored because she “stands steadfastly and humorously on the diplomatic stage,” according to the AKV’s statement. Baerbock is being honored as “a modern knight who stands for a foreign policy at eye level, in the service of peace, security, climate protection, democracy and human rights.” “Especially in these difficult times, which frighten many people, she convinces with humor and humanity in office, two important tools in the fight for hope and peace.”
This spooky event will be attended by many clown members of the political elite and prominent people of the upper class. TV promis. On ARD TV
For me this is the first openly awarded war medal –
https://www.prisma.de/tv-programm/Wider-den-tierischen-Ernst-2023,42987380
I declare this a shameful sign of drunkeness and warlust of a people that has lost every sense of reality.

Posted by: OldCH | Jan 27 2023 14:18 utc | 395

I think it really comes down to if you can see them they can see you so I wouldn’t advise creeping around a tank crew’s supporting troops with a potato.
Posted by: Quid Me Vexare | Jan 27 2023 13:38 utc | 392

I’m now picturing Ukrainian’s UK training … John Cleese demonstrating how to defend yourself against an attacker armed with a potato.

Posted by: Mike314159 | Jan 27 2023 14:33 utc | 396

I can just see the reaction of the Russian people after the release of the first picture of a leopard marked with a balkan kreuz fighting in ukraine.
I think there will be a response for the ages.

Posted by: T.D. | Jan 27 2023 14:35 utc | 397

… They’ve been slowly but systematically excluding Russia from WW2 memorials in the west for 20ys now. At first it seemsed like petty rancor and part of the various scattered sanctions, but in hindsight you see it was all very systematic and planned going back to around 1997. It’s been a slow but incessant post cold war demonizing of Russia that reached the crescendo last year. A good part of the timing involved having had to wait for the last of the WW2 generation in the USA, France, and UK to die off.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 27 2023 13:31 utc | 391
Revisionist history is as old as history. We may even say that even the first history was a revisionist view of what really happened. It seems the target of such revisionism has always been someone on the wrong side of the collective West. Take the case of Serbia and its role in the WWI. My good friend told me that 100th anniversary of WWI exhibitions in Paris in 2014 practically did not mention Serbia. The exhibition on Champs Elysees had one photograph of a Serbian soldier from 1918. No mention at all of Serbia at the exhibition at Palais de Luxembourg. This is the country where the WWI started, whose army repeatedly defeated the invaders from Austria in 1914, which were the first allied victories in the long war. Not to mention the shameful (according to Le Figaro) treatment of the President of Serbia during the 2018 commemoration of the end of WWI also in Paris, when he was allocated a place on the opposite platform, among lower-level ministers, diplomats and other officials, while the presidents of countries which were defeated in the war sat around President Macron on the main platform.

Posted by: Pagan | Jan 27 2023 14:39 utc | 399

@ # 401 Mike 314159:
I think it really comes down to if you can see them they can see you so I wouldn’t advise creeping around a tank crew’s supporting troops with a potato.
Posted by: Quid Me Vexare | Jan 27 2023 13:38 utc | 392
I’m now picturing Ukrainian’s UK training … John Cleese demonstrating how to defend yourself against an attacker armed with a potato.
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You never know, what the day can do :->> – but nonetheless 392 somehow missed the actual point of the – let’s say – thought experiment of 383:
What, if some »intelligent« [quite small] devices existed, capable of »recognizing« the muzzles of the invincible tanks’ guns to come and jamming them in a suitable way or similarly spoiling them? Then thought as swarms of them – how long would it take ’til all the machine guns cartridge belts would be empty?

Posted by: Yogi | Jan 27 2023 14:47 utc | 400