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January 26, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-22
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Killing Hitler in 1943 would have lengthened the war. Killing Churchill in late December 1941 could have led to a German defeat in 1944. Churchill and Hitler, like Zelensky, were military incompetents, whose interference in military decision making was often catastrophic. The enemy wants to keep these kind of people alive. Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Jan 26 2023 23:57 utc | 201 Churchill by virtue of the way he treated the indigenous population in India and other places is evidently a man twisted who may have been inspiring on the radio when the bombs were coming in, but the reality was in person he was a drunk and man lacking in merit based on his disdain for others not the same as him apparently – sort of a Anglo-Saxen deficiency he suffered from. Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Jan 27 2023 0:05 utc | 202 I assumed from the start of the RF intervention in the Donbass war last year that they’d gamed escalation beginning with the final NATO escalation which would be the use of tactical nukes in UA and a potential global nuclear apocalypse … then work back from there. Posted by: Zeug Gezeugt | Jan 27 2023 0:06 utc | 203 Thanks sln2002….welcome to the list club Rolando post 150…..yes….the massive movement of armour down to deep water port in the Southern U.S happened concurrently with Canadian equipment heading to Eastern ports. I suspect U.S is marshaling a strike force in Romania while Poland prepares to go east….the sudden very public and somewhat confusing NATO talk of armour transfers is meant to placate and confuse a frightened Western public as more and more equipment lands in Europe and it’s transferred east…. plausible deniability for all the trains and trucks. The West prepared for war while calling for peace during the Minsk negotiations and yet now are preparing for direct confrontation while using deception. It is no doubt Russia knows what is happening…it’s for the benefit of Western public consumption who are slowly catching on to the True significance of what is about to happen Posted by: Joe | Jan 27 2023 0:09 utc | 204 In regard to your proposal to eliminate Western leaders, I think watcher | Jan 26 2023 21:44 utc | 155 makes an important point; watcher wrote: Posted by: jgalt | Jan 27 2023 0:17 utc | 205 The most important news for this week’s “Ukraine Update” is not the recent Russian capture of Soledar and Klishchiiva. The most important news is not that Bakhmut is being surrounded by the Russian forces. The important news is not that RF are surrounding Vuhledar. Posted by: young | Jan 27 2023 0:19 utc | 206 Good News. Biletsky and the Azov gang are supposedly headed to Bakhmut. Like real Nazis, not just idiots with some runes. Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 27 2023 0:34 utc | 208 All the folks out there speculating on nuclear war do themselves no favor when they are proven wrong. Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Jan 27 2023 0:34 utc | 209 I suspect the defeatist are Calvinist just realizing how flawed their ideology is and I agree with @karlof1 in #211 above. Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Jan 27 2023 0:36 utc | 210 @ jgalt | Jan 26 2023 23:20 utc | 190 Posted by: james | Jan 27 2023 0:38 utc | 211 and it wasn’t a personal attack, but i see you took it that way and are in a pissy mood… fine.. Posted by: james | Jan 27 2023 0:40 utc | 212 @ jgalt | Jan 26 2023 23:20 utc | 190 Posted by: jgalt | Jan 27 2023 0:44 utc | 213 and it wasn’t a personal attack, but i see you took it that way and are in a pissy mood… fine.. Posted by: jgalt | Jan 27 2023 0:46 utc | 214 uncle tungsten | Jan 26 2023 9:12 @ 2 had an interesting link and post about robotic tank destroyers. I thought I would copy out a section of Curzio Malaparte’s chapter Red Dogs in his book Kaput from 1946 about the ingenuity of the Russian army. It was new to me this year and I hope it is new to most of you. I don’t think it is off-topic. Malaparte is traveling with the German Army as an Italian correspondent and recounts how they started concentrating on shooting dogs in each village instead of rounding up the Jews. The reason soon becomes clear: Posted by: Quid Me Vexare | Jan 27 2023 0:54 utc | 215 Rolando | Jan 26 2023 21:35 utc | 150 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 27 2023 0:59 utc | 216 and, i think its a stupid question that only an american, or someone who thinks like an american would ask… Posted by: james | Jan 27 2023 1:13 utc | 217 @220 “I think they ARE thinking what you/we hope they are not thinking….” Posted by: dh | Jan 27 2023 1:13 utc | 218 and, i think its a stupid question that only an american, or someone who thinks like an american would ask… Posted by: jgalt | Jan 27 2023 1:20 utc | 219 Joe | Jan 27 2023 0:09 utc | 207 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 27 2023 1:21 utc | 220 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 27 2023 0:59 utc | 220
The 2018 bipartisan congressional report on US military capabilities, while as usual asking for yet more spending on the MI complex, made its case by frankly admitting the US could not win a land war in Eurasia against either the RF or China. Posted by: Zeug Gezeugt | Jan 27 2023 1:22 utc | 221 https://labourheartlands.com/jacques-baud-the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine-update/ @ jgalt | Jan 27 2023 1:20 utc | 223 Posted by: james | Jan 27 2023 1:25 utc | 223 @ jgalt | Jan 27 2023 1:20 utc | 223 Posted by: jgalt | Jan 27 2023 1:28 utc | 224 Posted by: young | Jan 27 2023 0:19 utc | 209 Posted by: Muthaucker | Jan 27 2023 1:29 utc | 225 well, if you can read thru the lines, you know what i actually think, but i am not counting on it! Posted by: james | Jan 27 2023 1:29 utc | 226 well, if you can read thru the lines, you know what i actually think, but i am not counting on it! Posted by: jgalt | Jan 27 2023 1:31 utc | 227 Zeug Gezeugt | Jan 27 2023 1:22 utc | 225 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 27 2023 1:34 utc | 229 Hi Mel, and yes I also doubt the RF elites are bluffing! I can’t remeber who said it, maybe Medvedev or Putin or both, and others, but I do think they see the US elites as ultimately pragmatic realists, unlike their view of the European ‘leaders’ who seem to be inbred vassals and completely blinded by racist Aryan hubris. Posted by: Zeug Gezeugt | Jan 27 2023 1:38 utc | 230 Good New Atlas video on M1 Abrams etc. Posted by: jgalt | Jan 27 2023 1:41 utc | 231 Ok, the tanks were a bust and the F-16s got taken down…. Posted by: Simon | Jan 27 2023 1:44 utc | 232 : Buffalo_Ken | Jan 27 2023 0:36 utc | 214 Posted by: paddy | Jan 27 2023 1:54 utc | 233 Regarding the use of nukes, I refer the reader to the cuban missile crisis, it was the us that blinkened first. nuclear war could harm election prospects and the donors would not be happy. Posted by: Oh | Jan 27 2023 1:56 utc | 234 Med(s)vedev: on Zelensky: “This creature is not even a clown anymore, but just a circus dog, a poodle at the trainer’s feet, who yaps at his hand clap. Everyone understands this.” Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 27 2023 2:07 utc | 235 @213 Buffalo Ken Posted by: Bob Jenkins | Jan 27 2023 2:19 utc | 236 Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Jan 27 2023 0:34 utc | 213 Posted by: Haassaan | Jan 27 2023 2:22 utc | 237 Gee, looks like Troll Happy Hour at the bar. Well, it’s 6pm Pacific and back to regular pricing.
Here’s what TASS chose to focus on: @ Zeug Gezeugt | Jan 27 2023 0:06 utc | 206 Posted by: Jerr | Jan 27 2023 2:30 utc | 239 Right through the great patriotic war the USSR’s biggest concern was that ‘the west’ aka at that time USuk would join with Germany and attack the Soviet Union. Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 27 2023 2:36 utc | 240 sln2002@166 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 27 2023 2:36 utc | 241 https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/26/europe/ukraine-tanks-fighter-jets-intl/index.html Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jan 27 2023 2:37 utc | 242 karlof1@243 Posted by: bevin | Jan 27 2023 2:43 utc | 243 Likklemore @187 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 27 2023 2:49 utc | 244 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 27 2023 0:59 utc | 220
I think partitioning Russia is insane because Russia is the only thing keeping the angry non-European ‘Asiatic Hordes’ and ‘barbarians’ like Chechens, Ingush and Dagestanis from making a total mess of Europe. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 27 2023 2:55 utc | 245 ” @ Zeug Gezeugt | Jan 27 2023 0:06 utc | 206 Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Jan 27 2023 3:00 utc | 246 Buffalo Ken @205 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 27 2023 3:00 utc | 247 Posted by: Jerr | Jan 27 2023 2:30 utc | 244
This has been the pattern of U.S escalation until now. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 27 2023 3:08 utc | 248 bevin @248–
The reality that Russia is at war with NATO/Outlaw US Empire is no longer news to Russians. The imagery of German tanks on the Ukraine steppe will prove very powerful with Russians and the recruiting centers will be filled–there won’t be any need for a further mobilization as Russians will mobilize themselves. Because Russians know the truth behind the war and the truth of WW2, the voice of Russian hawks will become stronger than ever. Tomorrow’s Holocaust Remembrance Day will generate many editorials in Russian language media that we should try to find, translate and post. dh@222 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 27 2023 3:11 utc | 250 aristodemos | Jan 27 2023 2:36 utc | 246 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 27 2023 3:15 utc | 251 “slippery slope.. might makes right… drones are okay, even if you accidentally take out the wrong family and etc. etc..” Posted by: Doug Hillman | Jan 27 2023 3:18 utc | 252
The last sentence made me laugh, thanks. Posted by: David Levin | Jan 27 2023 3:21 utc | 253 An important read is this open memo to the president, written and signed by retired Intelligence Officers.
Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 27 2023 3:23 utc | 254 It would seem that the tanks from the west will be hailed appropriately, according to the TASS article DPR issues handbooks on eliminating Leopard, Abrams tanks — official. Posted by: David Levin | Jan 27 2023 3:28 utc | 255 In response to Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 27 2023 3:28 utc | 256 arch bungle@253 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 27 2023 3:32 utc | 257 Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Jan 27 2023 0:34 utc | 213 Posted by: K | Jan 27 2023 3:34 utc | 258 Doug Hillman @257 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 27 2023 3:37 utc | 259 @ Arch Bungle | Jan 27 2023 3:08 utc | 253 Posted by: Jerr | Jan 27 2023 3:48 utc | 260 Russia can not and will not be cancelled.
If only some humans could learn from elephants. Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 27 2023 3:49 utc | 261 @ aristodemos | Jan 27 2023 3:11 utc | 255 Posted by: suzan | Jan 27 2023 3:53 utc | 262 Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 27 2023 3:23 utc | 259 Posted by: Karl1906 | Jan 27 2023 3:57 utc | 263 Just discovered who FtheEU Nul@nd is married to. Figures… Posted by: MG | Jan 27 2023 4:02 utc | 265 Posted by: K | Jan 27 2023 3:34 utc | 263 Posted by: watcher | Jan 27 2023 4:05 utc | 266 Lavrov: “As for the reasons for certain actions or inactions of the European Union, it is difficult to comment on this topic. . . . They must decide what kind of future they are plotting for themselves. There’s nothing we can do to help. But we won’t get in the way.” Posted by: Doug Hillman | Jan 27 2023 4:15 utc | 267 MG | Jan 27 2023 4:02 utc | 270 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 27 2023 4:18 utc | 268 Likklemore | Jan 27 2023 3:23 utc | 259 Posted by: Doug Hillman | Jan 27 2023 4:34 utc | 269 aristodemos @262– Gab it while it’s hot: ( and still available): Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 27 2023 4:53 utc | 271 suzan@267 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 27 2023 4:57 utc | 272 Outraged@269 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 27 2023 5:01 utc | 273
Posted by: Down South | Jan 27 2023 5:03 utc | 274
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https://t.me/azmilitary11/35079 Posted by: Down South | Jan 27 2023 5:06 utc | 276 When folk here mention tanks, my thoughts go to the Russian movie “Ballad of a Soldier” — it has an unforgettable opening scene involving said soldier, whose name as I recall is Alyosha. Posted by: juliania | Jan 27 2023 5:09 utc | 277 @Johannes S. Herbst | Jan 26 2023 23:31 utc | 196 Posted by: Hermit | Jan 27 2023 5:10 utc | 278 asistodemos @278 Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 27 2023 5:11 utc | 279
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/30914 Posted by: Down South | Jan 27 2023 5:12 utc | 280 MG @270 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 27 2023 5:12 utc | 281
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Posted by: Down South | Jan 27 2023 5:16 utc | 283 @Buffalo_Ken | Jan 27 2023 0:05 utc | 205 Posted by: Hermit | Jan 27 2023 5:22 utc | 284 Maleleuca @276 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 27 2023 5:32 utc | 285 @aristodemos | Jan 27 2023 5:12 utc | 286 Posted by: Hermit | Jan 27 2023 5:34 utc | 286 Zeug Gezeugt | Jan 27 2023 0:06 utc | 206 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jan 27 2023 5:42 utc | 287 F.D. @292 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 27 2023 5:51 utc | 288 Bringing this off topic full circle and back on topic…. Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 27 2023 5:54 utc | 289 Hermit | Jan 27 2023 5:22 utc | 289 Posted by: Alex Vadim | Jan 27 2023 6:15 utc | 290 So as the Uqraine conflict western provoked attack on Russia drifts toward ‘crunch time’ Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 27 2023 6:17 utc | 291 I’m saddened reading through today’s commentary, as well as the past week and seeing “neocon” tossed about more and more with a sort of condescending blanket blame focused solely at it, like an exterminator intoxicated on too much cough syrup drank on lunch zeroing in brown roaches while black roaches are absolved of target status. Posted by: NJH | Jan 27 2023 6:18 utc | 292 NJH @297 Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 27 2023 6:26 utc | 293 Respected Canadian international lawyer Christopher Black interviewed by Irish journalist Finian Cunningham on US/NATO calls for war crimes prosecutions against Vladimir Putin and other Russian leaders over the conflict in Ukraine. Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 27 2023 6:30 utc | 294 209 – your misunderstanding of the biblical prophecies is understandable, but you first need to understand which world encompassing armies are spoken of. The Prince of Rosh will indeed eventually come to destroy Europe with the 200 million man army, but not until the rest of the prophecies come to pass. The important one is the rebirth of the Holy Roman Empire, soon to amaze the modern world, maybe resulting from this war. Posted by: Arcticman | Jan 27 2023 6:33 utc | 295 This was already posted – but it’s so important to be reiterated. Zelensky has made an official request to extradite all males back to Ukraine (except those driving around with Porsche’s and BMWs of course). Apparently the plan is to use the Leopard 2 etc. tanks to form some mechanized corps with strength of several hundred of these tanks, and up to 60000 men. Posted by: unimperator | Jan 27 2023 6:37 utc | 296 In reply to those who claim that Baerbock’s statement that ‘we are at war with Russia’ is a declaration of war, the simple answer is that it is not under German law. Posted by: Paul McGrory | Jan 27 2023 6:49 utc | 297 @Buffalo_Ken | Jan 26 2023 22:44 utc | 179
Indeed, Turkey is the best ally the peoples of Sweden and Finland have at the moment. Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 27 2023 6:54 utc | 298 aristodemos | Jan 27 2023 5:51 utc | 293 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jan 27 2023 6:56 utc | 299 Post 206 lays out a probable sequence of events. Post 209 adds a little Bible prophesy to the mix. Posted by: Trimbly | Jan 27 2023 6:56 utc | 300 |
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