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January 26, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-22

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

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Opport Knocks no. 96
“This live event has ended”
Shame. I was hoping for a good laugh.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jan 26 2023 18:18 utc | 101

Posted by: Shannon with Z | Jan 26 2023 17:47 utc | 9
Karpowership, Ukraine sign pact to fast-track 500 MW powerships to ease power crisis
But where will they get the Dilithium crystals these Turkish Power Kebabs need to stabilize their anti-matter drives?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 26 2023 18:18 utc | 102

But where will they get the Dilithium crystals these Turkish Power Kebabs need to stabilize their anti-matter drives?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 26 2023 18:18 utc | 104
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Well played. It is rational and necessary to laugh at the obvious stupidity of many of these “copes”.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 26 2023 18:21 utc | 103

Douglas McGregor..on a recent webcast alluded to a George Soros document from a decade ago ..I’m still searching for it…but the Colonel has his wits about him….the document alluded to a future necessary conflict against the last Bastion of Nationalism left…. Russia…and how it was preferable if the Eastern Europeans subdued the Russian State because Western Europe did not have the stomach for fighting. It is the Globalists that must be destroyed before they destroy all of us….by trying to destroy Russia they are pushing us over the precipe of nuclear annihilation……the missing trillions from the defence budgets are massive underground bases for the top 1%. Arestovich is still alive because he is protected by the Americans….it is part of the regime change currently under way…his truth and candid opinions of zelensky are damaging whilst Zaluzhnyi inherits a million dollars and donates it all to the Ukrainian Defence department….whilst Zelensky’s buddies are being purged….many for corruption. Handing out speeding tickets at the Indy500….in the most bloated corrupt State in Europe. Btw….Zelensky is worth over a billion dollars while on the subject. Eventually.. hopefully Ukrainian troops will start killing off the paramilitaries in the rear that are compelled performance by firing squads

Posted by: Joe | Jan 26 2023 18:23 utc | 104

@chunga
We’re seeing this more and more.
They’ll be back tomorrow for the kid.

Posted by: Fred | Jan 26 2023 18:32 utc | 105

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 26 2023 18:21 utc | 105
Indeed and on a slightly more serious note: If it was possible to power a large European country with a few barges we’d probably not be in the global predicaments we’re in right now …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 26 2023 18:37 utc | 106

Russian frigate ‘ Admiral Goloshkov’ near Bermuda in Western Atlantic simulated Hypersonic Zircon missile attack on presumably US coast yesterday.The “attack” included the use of ECM that disrupted radar and cell phones in mid-Atlantic for 34 seconds.Things are getting bleak.

Posted by: Lou Cypher | Jan 26 2023 18:37 utc | 107

Perimetr @ 98

Thank you for that information. I am particularly interested in the last part of your post, on “Leonkov’s latest article”. Can you please inform me who Leonkov is? I assume you consider this credible information.

I have no idea, I found it interesting enough to cross post. I try and keep any links when I copy/paste from TG for others to reference. Sladkov is the most reputable and famous war corespondent in Russia, he referenced the Leonkov guy so make of that what you will.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 26 2023 18:39 utc | 108

Lou Cypher @ 109

Russian frigate ‘Admiral Goloshkov’ near Bermuda in Western Atlantic simulated Hypersonic Zircon missile attack on presumably US coast yesterday.

The Bermuda Triangle! 😱

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 26 2023 18:42 utc | 109

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13QexAn9v30
About 9 min in, Mercouris makes the point that the broadly different estimates of Ukr troops around Bakhmut suggest one thing, namely that their brigades are greatly understrength. Like 30K vs over 90K.
This then brings up the issue of where are Ukr troops if they have such huge numbers yet to mobilize?

Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 26 2023 18:45 utc | 110

Has Defense Minister Boris Pistorius not thought about it, did he just slip out of it or does he simply assume that no one in Germany will pick it up in the mainstream media anyway? Foreign Minister Baerbock’s statement “We are fighting a war against Russia” didn’t bother anyone either… Only the Berliner Zeitung lost a critical word about it.
Scholz on German tank supply and participation in the war: “Trust me”
Scholz on German tank supply and participation in the war: “Trust me”
According to Pistorius, the Bundeswehr’s Leopard 2 A6 will be delivered to Ukraine at the end of March. That’s in just two months. This statement proves that the federal government lied to the population and the media on a crucial point. Because you don’t train anyone to use this tank in two months.
Now there are two variants of the lie. The more innocuous one would say that the training of Ukrainian tank crews has been going on for months without the public being informed about it. Of course, it would be interesting to know for how many months. In order to achieve what Federal Chancellor Olaf Scholz named as the goal yesterday, a “battalion at a high combat level”, this training should have started more than a year ago. That would explain why it was kept secret (after all, that would do away with the “unjustified Russian war of aggression” mantra for good) and show some contempt for democratic processes, but at least it would not involve direct German involvement.
To provide an example of why this training should have started so early, the US armored armaments deployed in the Iraq war had previously only practiced combined arms combat with their tanks for a year. A year after they already mastered the operation of the tank themselves. Listen to Brian Berletic for a very thorough description of it. Even the basic training before that takes at least half a year for the crew.
Tank deliveries only “first step”: Kyiv demands fighter jets and long-range missiles
Tank deliveries only “first step”: Kyiv demands fighter jets and long-range missiles
And it’s no use at all if that crew previously drove a Soviet T-72. It starts with the fact that the T-72, like all Soviet tanks, has automatic loading and therefore only has a crew of three, while the Leopard 2, like all western tanks, is loaded manually and has a crew of four. If possible, they should not stand in each other’s way. On the contrary. Well-established routines that don’t fit make it more difficult. You can experience something like this very quickly when you are typing with ten fingers and suddenly have to use an English instead of a German keyboard. Every reflex that would otherwise make the work quick suddenly produces an additional error. Except that the consequences of such a mistake in a tank are of a completely different quality.

Posted by: mo3 | Jan 26 2023 18:48 utc | 111

Posted by: Eighthman | Jan 26 2023 18:45 utc | 112
We saw pictures on map of “25 brigade icons” on the Bakhmut front. But not all of them are / were in city, some were around it, defending places like Klisheevka, Pidhorodne and Krasna Gora. Partially of course some of them withdrew to different directions, but there might still be several 10k inside Bakhmut. And there’s also larger attrition than replacement, which has continued for several months. So 70% understrength is entirely possible.
In Klisheevka there was reportedly Azov garrison of several hundred, who retreated initially to the western outskirt of the village in auxiliary trenches. Then they got caught in kind of an encirclement, tried to retreat at night but were detected and hit.
https://t.me/azmilitary11/34203

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 26 2023 19:00 utc | 112

⚡️ In Nikolaev,  they handed out summonses right in a bomb shelter during an air raid
😄 Modern problems require modern solutions. In the words of the classic “they will hide in toilets, we will hand out summons to them in toilets too”.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/30848

We confirm the information of our colleagues that the military commissars were on duty near the bomb shelters and patrolled the places where the shelters are located.
We decided to take advantage of the situation. Something the military commissars were not particularly worried that there was alarm on the street.
The Office of the President, with its agony, completely discredited the mobilization, which turned into some kind of hunt for peasants.
The society even began to panic and aggression towards the authorities and people in uniform. For example, in Ternopil, everyone scatters, as they see a ZSU (APU) car. In Odessa, they forcefully load men into cars at gunpoint, sending them straight to the front. In the Rovno region, a man with a scythe attacked the military commissars. There are many such cases.
An excellent anti-PR, which the authorities themselves staged. So discredit the mobilization, turning it into a grave, could only notorious idiots. The Kremlin doesn’t even have to do anything, office fools did everything themselves.

https://t.me/legitimniy/14649

Posted by: Down South | Jan 26 2023 19:09 utc | 113

@ 112 “This then brings up the issue of where are Ukr troops if they have such huge numbers yet to mobilize?”
This is interesting because what I’ve been wondering is…where are all of the Russian forces and how many of them are there?
The Wagner boss came out and took complete credit for something, Soledar I think, and got a bit of a rebuke from Moscow. I have a hunch there are a lot of Russians out there unaccounted for as of yet.

Posted by: chunga | Jan 26 2023 19:16 utc | 114

From my post in the previous thread
US will continue to throw first ukr, then polish, then other european meat and vassal states’ equipments at RF, then unarmed(or barely armed) USians hoping that 500 million european and 300 million USian meat will make a dent at RF abilities, then US will continue to rule the roost over dead bodies (800 millions of them and that too of vassals’ subjects and own human wastes). US is in fact US-tmcrr (the moneyed class and the rapid risers).
RF will first de-galify ukraine, then occupy Poland, baltics, Moldova and Romania at a huge but still bearable cost to itself. RF will be forced to do this, why? Because of machinations of the US-tmcrr, the US-tmcrr stooges in europe will throw europeans at RF. First example: US-tmcrr stooges in Ukr were able to throw to the last Ukr at RF and stooges all around in europe, the top 10000 people in each european country are stooges or amenable. So there is no question at all that this will happen. This will happen, period. If the cost becomes unbearable for RF then everyone loses especially including US-tmcrr. [Hence the need for the US to manage the RF reaction, hence the sub-threshold creeping escalations, and that is why US will send barely armed USians at RF, US needs a weakened RF at the 800 millionth dead-body] When RF is at it, it should make GDR declare independence from Germany.

Posted by: RealBeast | Jan 26 2023 19:17 utc | 115

mo3 | Jan 26 2023 18:48 utc | 113
Probably it started months ago. Since the task is terrorism, there’s no need for long training, it’s kamikaze like all attacks of Ukr army. I see online they already promise to destroy the new buildings Russia built in Mariupol.
Ukr soldiers can’t live long enough to discover who the enemy is or fight back, so nato has no interest in having an Ukr army, they’re prisoners, hence the azovs, “nato advisors”, “mercenaries” and all the others who shoot anyone who doesn’t kamikaze.

Posted by: rk | Jan 26 2023 19:23 utc | 116

Is this Western war on Russia simply stupidity?
Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 26 2023 17:47 utc | 95
Thanks for your link, Bemildred. Crooke gives the easiest to understand explanation of the Strauss theory of Plato’s Republic — yes, idiocy! As students back in the late 1950’s my liberal artist friends and I made fun of that theory*, which puts Plato’s ‘guardians of the state’ against his myth of the cave that we’ve discussed here. We need to figure this out for ourselves, that it is totally stupid of the US ptb to think they are Plato’s confederates – they are not! Just for fun – here’s a m ditty composed by classmates senior to me (from memory so probably a bit garbled):
Two young lovers, Sally and Joe,
Lived in a deep dark cave.
He was her adorable beau
And she was his willing slave.
So happy were they as they passed the day
Watching flick’ring shadows on the wall.
They didn’t think of going away at all, at all, at all.
But one fine day he started to think
And then there came a big surprise
His chains fell off as quick as a wink
A great big fire blasted his bloodshot eyes.
Blindly he stumbled down a narrow alley
Out of the cave into a beautiful valley
He opened his eyes and he heard the sun sing:
“You are a philosopher king.”
OUr hero wasn’t happy at all
He was longing for his sweetheart underground.
He said “For that line I’d never fall
It’s back to the cave I’m bound.”
The sun said “You’ll do what philosophers must;
It’s not up to you to decide.”
He said “I’ll get back to the cave or bust
And make pretty Sally my bride.”
He went back home and put on his chains
Got ready for the wedding day.
Faithful Sally didn’t complain
She said “I knew you’d never ever stay away.”
The moral of the story I leave to you
(And maybe Leo Strauss can provide a clue)
But that’s why the philosopher returns to the cave;
That’s why he returns to the cave.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 26 2023 19:28 utc | 117

re: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 26 2023 13:52 utc | 37
I should clarify what I was asking for. I was particularly interested in this section of your post:
NATO TANKS LONG ALREADY HAVE BEEN DRIVEN TO THE FRONT LINE.
They are transported, using complex schemes, on foreign trailers, from city to city, hiding in the warehouses of enterprises that we do not yet shoot at. The first armored tranche of NATO – 200 vehicles, plus 400 available to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Total, approximately, 4 tank divisions.

I went to the link for Aleksey Leonkov’s latest article posted at the bottom of this paragraph
https://rg.ru/2023/01/25/aleksej-leonkov-o-shansah-vsu-provesti-nastuplenie-s-pomoshchiu-poluchennyh-ot-zapada-tankov.html
But I didn’t see any details about the information found in this paragraph. I am interested in passing it on with a link. Thanks

Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 26 2023 19:44 utc | 118

The moral of the story I leave to you
(And maybe Leo Strauss can provide a clue)
But that’s why the philosopher returns to the cave;
That’s why he returns to the cave.
Posted by: juliania | Jan 26 2023 19:28 utc | 119
Thank you for that. I would say that the moral is that it can be very comfortable in the cave. We all like comfort and safety, but it is not always what is best for us (“use it or lose it, right?”) so judgement and discipline are required.
I have read a bit of Plato and Aristotle, but am no Greek scholar like you have been. Maybe in another life.
I tend to favor Socrates and Diogenes, humility and an open mind will never do you wrong.
But I do like the cave analogy, it took me a while to figure it out, but it seems quite right, really. And of course Plato is not the only person to talk about it.
Strauss is an obvious vanilla con-man. One presumes he has rich friends.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 26 2023 19:46 utc | 119

| Jan 26 2023 18:23 utc | 106
Yes, I have noticed this also – the mention of Soros agenda. And the pure evil.

Posted by: fanto | Jan 26 2023 19:52 utc | 120

🪖 A little bit about the statistics of enemy equipment defeated in the SMO zone
Figures, as we know, do not lie. The statistics show staggering enemy losses in military equipment since the start of the special military operation in Ukraine:
372 aircraft shot down – essentially destroying the entire Ukrainian air force
200 helicopters – air army
7,537 tanks and armoured combat vehicles – two tank armies and five combined arms armies
8066 vehicles – eight armies
🟰 Total: twenty-three enemy armies or four fronts eliminated (=four Wehrmacht army groups, =the whole modern NATO force grouping in Europe).
Any country would have been defeated by now, but the case of Ukraine is an exception, due to the full-scale military assistance of the North Atlantic Alliance.
🇷🇺 As military correspondent Sladkov reports, the Russian army is fighting as effectively as it did during the Great Patriotic War, all without losing millions in manpower.
https://t.me/druschbaFm_en/11940

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 26 2023 20:00 utc | 121

‘First Come the Tanks, Then Come the Nukes’: Trump Calls on Biden to End ‘Crazy’ Ukraine Conflict
Sputniknews

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In a post on his Truth Social platform on Thursday, former US President Donald Trump called on US President Joe Biden to end “this crazy war” in Ukraine before it leads to the use of nuclear weapons.“First come the tanks, then come the nukes. Get this crazy war ended, now. So easy to do,” Trump said.[.]
Biden has also ignored several attempts by Moscow to begin negotiations to end the conflict in Ukraine and advised Kiev to abstain from talks as well, pinning their consideration on Russia’s withdrawal from Russian-speaking regions that voted to leave Ukraine and join the Russian Federation.

+ + + + +
Panic at Foggy Bottom
Ms. Nuland strutted out with her stale bags of cookies. Said to offer easing sanctions?
How generous.
Did she mention NordStream or returning theft of Foreign Reserves?
The Collective West will never be able to repair to status anti. De-dollarization is at a gallop.
And over at US Treasury, Ms. Yellen;
the US is still whipping with sanctions. Pot meet kettle.
US declares Wagner Group ‘transnational criminal organization’
RT

Russian private military company the Wagner Group poses a “transcontinental threat,” the US Treasury has stated
Washington has designated the private military company (PMC) the Wagner Group a “significant transnational criminal organization,” the US Treasury Department said on Thursday as it unveiled a new batch of sanctions against Russia.
The US accused the company founded by Russian businessman Yevgeny Prigozhin of being engaged in “an ongoing pattern of serious criminal activity” in both Ukraine, where the PMC is fighting with Russian troops, and several African nations.[.]
Apart from the Wagner Group, the US also imposed sanctions on eleven other entities and six individuals, including those it suspects of supporting the PMC’s operations. The list includes Russia- and China-based technology companies and a UAE-based aviation firm, as well as several CAR-based security companies allegedly linked to the Wagner Group.

Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 26 2023 20:10 utc | 122

@moderator. The poster posting as ‘Boo’ is impersonating me, you can see by the IP address. Please ban him. I have been posting as ‘Boo’ for the past weeks.

Posted by: Boo | Jan 26 2023 20:10 utc | 123

https://thesaker.is/douglas-macgregor-a-huge-offensive/
Douglas McGregor making reference to a decade old Soros document outlining the Globalists need to destroy the last Bastion of Nationalism

Posted by: Joe | Jan 26 2023 20:18 utc | 124

Barflies,
True that training these Kiev tank brigades will take nearly a year; they’ll be ready to join in NATO’s glorious 2024 Spring Offensive.
The only event that will end this senseless war is de-dollarization.

Posted by: Exile | Jan 26 2023 20:20 utc | 125

This in The Irish Times (MSM) yesterday:
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2023/01/25/germans-are-right-to-think-twice-about-sending-leopard-tanks-to-ukraine/?fbclid=IwAR3aA6wXx9PGsC3uYhObkmktbJH1o6FT44rn5XqNEYfhYGPo09gmGNFDgUE
Professor Geoffrey Roberts, at UCC and of the Royal Irish Academy, argues that, contrary to the narrative of unbridled Russian aggression, Russia’s restraint in the face of NATO escalation has been “remarkable”. Mistaking Russian restraint for weakness could ultimately prove to be a fatal error for all of humanity.

Posted by: Irish | Jan 26 2023 20:25 utc | 126

Russia strikes again today. 55 missiles and a 2nd wave of drones.
Looks like all infrastructure hits.
The Ukrainians shot down 200.
You need the google translator for this site but they have excellent pictures and video’s and translated Russian comments.
https://warnews247.gr/yperichitiki-kataigida-me-kh-47m2-kinzhal-stin-oukrania-omovrontia-55-pyravlon-apo-ta-tessera-simeia-tou-orizonta-deftero-kyma-me-smini-geran-2/

Posted by: jgalt | Jan 26 2023 20:31 utc | 127

What say ye?
“There is another Ukraine” – Exiled Opposition Leader to RT
https://www.rt.com/russia/570486-medvedchuk-another-ukraine-opposition/
How might this element come into play? Whatever one might think of the pre-coup govt/politician/run of the mill corruption that permeates all western govts, there is a legitimate democratically elected Ukrainian govt in exile still out there. Waiting in the wings? What role might it come to have in possible future developments?

Posted by: Irish | Jan 26 2023 20:35 utc | 128

War To The Last Ukrainian Accelerates – Pressgangs Kidnap Men For Front (Overview, Videos)
Southfront.org made a good assertion. The basic idea is that these NATO tanks and massive drafting campaigns are for a NATO planned spring offensive.
The real aim is not, supposedly, to create two new tank battalions, but to form a strike mechanized corps that can breach the front line and drive a deep wedge into Russian-held territory. The capabilities of this new corps are estimated at up to 60,000 men, 250 main battle tanks, up to 1,000 IFVs and APCs, and 100 SPAs. In all likelihood the expensive Western equipment will be operated by NATO crews. There is no time and resources to train Ukrainian crews.
Men are not being drawn off the streets of Ukrainian cities to serve in this corps. They are destined for territorial defence brigades, which will undertake the first wave of attacks. In other words, they will become simple cannon fodder. Without such sacrificial troops, the new offensive would not succeed. … The territorial defence brigades and motorized infantry brigades formed from mobilized people will tear up the Russian defences first. If enough of these formations are gathered, they will be able to break through the first line of defence, obviously at a cost of colossal losses.
Next, the cadre brigades of the AFU, armed with Soviet-era vehicles, are set to go into battle. They are destined to die pushing through the Russian defenses and in battle with Russian mobile units. But if successful, they will pave the way for the new mechanized corps equipped with modern Western weapons, to break through the Russian lines cleanly. There will also be diversionary offensives, in other directions, to hold back the redeployment of reserves.

Many Ukrainian vids that are currently circulating online show a significant lack of men which may indicate many of them are either in hiding to avoid being snatched from their homes, in shelters, their cars, on the streets or already drafted/being mauled in the meat grinder.

Posted by: xor | Jan 26 2023 20:36 utc | 129

“This live event has ended”
Shame. I was hoping for a good laugh.
Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jan 26 2023 18:18 utc | 103

You can still watch the episode from the start, just move the cursor there:
Senate Foreign Relations Committee – 2023-Jan-26

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 26 2023 20:38 utc | 130

Numbers according to Wagner.
https://t.me/orchestra_w/4623

The advance of the Wagner PMC fighters in the vicinity of Bakhmut, as well as on the outskirts of the city, forces the Ukrainian command to transfer more and more forces to this direction.
According to various estimates, about thirty thousand Ukrainian servicemen from among the most combat-ready units are concentrated near Bakhmut.
Those reserves that Kiev prepared for the Zaporozhye and Svatovo directions are now working on Bakhmustan, that is, in fact, the “Wagnerists” have deprived the Ukrainians of the potential for major offensives.
In Ukraine, mobilization continues to complete the brigades that suffer losses in the “Bakhmut meat grinder”, so the number of fighters near Bakhmut is constantly growing.
Despite all this, Wagner is moving forward.
Jan 26 at 02:30

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 26 2023 20:46 utc | 131

Posted by: xor | Jan 26 2023 20:36 utc | 132
Wonder how this works. Most people I know will either ambush the kidnappers or take an Ukronazi with them to the grave once they hand them a gun.

Posted by: Vikichka | Jan 26 2023 20:57 utc | 132

@132 That article doesn’t say where the 250 tanks will be waiting, loaded with fuel and ammunition, to rush into the gap. And I bet the RF will never notice the build up.

Posted by: dh | Jan 26 2023 20:57 utc | 133

Irish @ 129

This in The Irish Times… Professor Geoffrey Roberts…

The good prof. might be rational but that is all he is, it’s still all Putin this, Putin that, Putin up, Putin down, Putin all around.
Putin not Russian Federation creeps not marches to some kind of victory…
Screw this bogus smart guy professor, if he does know his stuff then at the very best he’s a chicken shit.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 26 2023 21:02 utc | 134

Ukraine has been involved in Nato joint drills for 8 years, this war has been planned since 2014 they should and will have people trained on these tanks.
They will not set up the supply chain and support for a handful of tanks they will keep coming, This is a big deal 100-200 tanks is a lot they sent 200 last time 80 here 40 there it all adds up to hundreds and hundreds. Nobody can or will launch thousands of tank at once the fuel and ammunition is a massive network. I’m not sure how many tanks Russia can fight before they buckle but this war is bloody and Russia is having problems moving anywhere along the line.
Every western country has had people saying “we are at war with Russia” since day one. It’s conditioning because it’s not possible to loot the country of Russia without boots on the ground.

Posted by: OohCanada | Jan 26 2023 21:04 utc | 135

xor | Jan 26 2023 20:36 utc | 132
“60000 and 250 tanks” to “breach the front line and drive a deep wedge into Russian-held territory”?
I will appear them tomorrow and breach the front line for you if you tell me “then what?”

Posted by: rk | Jan 26 2023 21:05 utc | 136

An honest question for those who care to speculate.
Why has Putin not sent out professional hit men after the likes of Boris Johnson, George Soros, the Davos Dildo Schwab etc.
Give me some insight, after all Zelinsky himself said he would like to kill Putin.
Rip him limb from limb like a fly.

Posted by: jgalt | Jan 26 2023 21:06 utc | 137

@132
Sounds legit.
But then what will the modern western weapons do once they’ve broken thru and created this wedge?
Won’t russian aligned forces be in the rear of the defense lines, waiting?
What cannon fodder will be used to pave the path of the western weapons?
and how will the remaining russian defense lines be engaged so as to prevent them from circling round and trapping the modern western weapons/forces behind enemy lines?
seems like some sort of air strike might be needed in conjunction with the ground wedge push?
i’m not military, but as is, it doesn’t seem enough for long term success?

Posted by: Irish | Jan 26 2023 21:06 utc | 138

@OohCanada | Jan 26 2023 21:04 utc | 138

Ukraine has been involved in Nato joint drills for 8 years, this war has been planned since 2014 they should and will have people trained on these tanks.

I don’t think so. They bet the farm on Russia crumbling from sanctions within weeks, and it failed spectacularly.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 26 2023 21:08 utc | 139

Ukraine has formally requested all Ukrainian male citizens of fighting age in Europe be extradited
Posted by: rk | Jan 26 2023 10:07 utc | 7
Hi, my first post here,couldn´t stop my self, I hope it works.
So we have Genders when it comes to war?
I would recommend the Ukranians to identify them self as woman.
See how Brussel will deal with that matter.

Posted by: Gorn | Jan 26 2023 21:09 utc | 140

jgalt | Jan 26 2023 21:06 utc | 140

Why has Putin not sent out professional hit men after the likes of Boris Johnson, George Soros, the Davos Dildo Schwab etc.

Maybe he isn’t the Ernst Stavro Blofeld type the media wants you to believe?

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 26 2023 21:10 utc | 141

Posted by: xor | Jan 26 2023 20:36 utc | 132
Very interesting theory.
So in first line there are “territorial defense” a.k.a kidnapped cannon fodder swarming en masse to disrupt the defense. Second line offensive are the ukie brigades with Soviet equipment. The third line will be the “modern Nato equipment” which should then be able to cleanly cut through the defense.
It’s literally going to be the “kamikaze rush of a nation”. They just need to be disrupted, and whittled down before they can build up in the way they intended to. After the last blast, there won’t be too much to follow – then USA will use nukes or the thing gradually dies down (albeit, it might still take years).

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 26 2023 21:12 utc | 142

@mo3 | Jan 26 2023 18:48 utc

And it’s no use at all if that crew previously drove a Soviet T-72. It starts with the fact that the T-72, like all Soviet tanks, has automatic loading and therefore only has a crew of three, while the Leopard 2, like all western tanks, is loaded manually and has a crew of four.

I dare to disagree.
Tank commander is usually a junior officer, with a service of 4…5 years.
Driver and gunner are something like sergeant, corporal, 3+ years. In Russian/Ukrainian doctrine the driver is called “mechanic-driver” which points to an wider understanding of the job.
Loader is the least requiring job done by drafties or autoloader.
To train a loader, if you got any artillery man – 1 day. Any other guy – few days. A MBA may require another 2 years.
No training can provide experience in war – so any experienced UA crew has a big advantage above any Western crew. Turkey shooting is not war.
Upgrading vs. downgrading. No problem for a Soviet user of Lada to drive a Lexus, even with automatic gearbox. No problem for a Soviet farmer to switch from MTZ 80 to John Deere. No big problem to switch from T72 towards Leopard2. Try the other way around – offering a M1 crew a T72 – good luck with that.
This is from the user side. The problems arise with logistics and spare parts and repair. While there are plenty of guys in the USSR that could have repaired any problem of their Lada or MTZ, this is not true with the modern stuff. And let’s face reality, when it comes to education, the Soviet, Russian or Ukrainian one is in terms of math, physics and technics better than the Western counterpart. I would even say, a T72 mechanic driver, having a deeper understanding of the technic, will be more competent in reapring a Western tank than a Western driver. On average, ofc.
The problem is – there aren’t many surviving experienced tank crews in Ukraine.
And any tank will be killed by arty – no skill will prevent this.

Posted by: BG13 | Jan 26 2023 21:13 utc | 143

Posted by: Drinky Crow | Jan 26 2023 18:15 utc | 102
I had completely forgotten that interview in my many attempts to educate fools like Andreas on the topic of genocide in yesterday’s thread. Thanks for that link as it will be included with any future responses I make to NAFO fanbois and Ukranazis denying the genocide campaign conducted against the people of the Donbass region.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 26 2023 21:15 utc | 144

Gorn no. 143
“I would recommend the Ukranians to identify them self as woman.
See how Brussel will deal with that matter.”
Too late. Women already part of Ukranian army.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jan 26 2023 21:24 utc | 145

Too late. Women already part of Ukranian army.
They can get vaporized just like the men, old men, and boys!

Posted by: R3DP1LL3R | Jan 26 2023 21:27 utc | 146

Long time reader of comments here, but first time to post. I guess I am on so many US Government enemy lists, one more won’t matter.
Let me tell you a story: In 2001, I kept seeing large numbers of unit trains carrying US Army armor west through Colorado on the Union Pacific mainline. All the armor was painted desert color. These same trains were spotted in west coast USA ports for loading on ships. In August of 2001, I was on vacation in the east coast and told my hosts “The US is going to war. I don’t know where, but it will be in a desert.” Then came Sept 11th.
I was on youtube last night, and came across the following link showing armor and support vehicles on a unit train in Sept, 2022 between Cheyenne and Laramie, Wyoming, presumably going to west coast port for loading:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH3dF3z7lNo&t=242s
In November, I was in the port of Citavecchia (outside Rome) and was surprised to see a naval Ro-Ro ship berthed with loading ramp down. It was a smaller US Navy/US Military Sealift ship. This was a “WTF?” moment.
I pray the psychopaths who run the US Government are not doing what I think they may be contemplating.

Posted by: Rolando | Jan 26 2023 21:35 utc | 147

re: jgalt | Jan 26 2023 21:06 utc | 140
you wrote: “Why has Putin not sent out professional hit men after the likes of Boris Johnson, George Soros, the Davos Dildo Schwab etc.
and re: Norwegian | Jan 26 2023 21:10 utc | 144
While I am not advocating such a course of action, the results would be preferable to a nuclear holocaust. Many Americans would be happy to see the neocons (driving the escalation of the war) to be removed from the scene. Elections in America are now so thoroughly rigged that one certainly can’t count on that mechanism to the job.

Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 26 2023 21:37 utc | 148

RSH @77–
Thanks for providing the proof that the Abrams is a lemon–it’s made to sell spares and fuel, not fight. Imagine being part of the infantry screen and having to constantly remind yourself to stay well clear of the exhaust. I also recall complaints about it being very difficult to carry mounted infantry–they need to be tied onto it or they slide off! The Sherman despite its drawbacks IMO is the better tank, which isn’t a very big vote of confidence.
juliania @79–
Thanks for your reply. Since WW2, the Genocidalists all reside in the West, the Outlaw US Empire being #1, but closely followed by the UK as it killed millions as it abandoned its colonies. Then there’re the Zionists. When looked at closely, the goals behind the Genocides are very similar to those of the Nazis. And to all that we must add the Malthusians and Ricardians who claim there’s not enough for everyone so billions must die. What’s happening in Ukraine features them all. Putin and his crew recognize that and have vowed to end it. The RoW have heard and seen Russia’s words and actions, which is why they’re not against Russia. All the trolls of many various types here at MoA and elsewhere are all abettors of Genocide, although many are too stupid to know what they’re supporting.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 26 2023 21:40 utc | 149

a shared external reality
Posted by: Tim | Jan 26 2023 16:29 utc | 64
I suppose, you mean null hypothesis.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 26 2023 21:42 utc | 150

Currently at Dances With Bears:
David Ignatius (lead image, left) has been a career-long mouthpiece for the US State Department. He has just been called in by the current Secretary of State Antony Blinken (right) to convey an urgent new message to President Vladimir Putin, the Security Council, and the General Staff in Moscow.
For the first time since the special military operation began last year, the war party in Washington is offering terms of concession to Russia’s security objectives explicitly and directly, without the Ukrainians in the way.
http://johnhelmer.net/blinken-concedes-war-is-lost-offers-kremlin-ukrainian-demilitarization-crimea-donbass-zaporozhe-and-restriction-of-new-tanks-to-western-ukraine-if-there-is-no-russian-offensive/

Posted by: nwwoods | Jan 26 2023 21:42 utc | 151

Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 26 2023 21:37 utc | 151
Perhaps because the Russians understand that these characters are front men and puppets and within 2 weeks of them passing a new puppet would appear and one who is possibly worse.
I get annoyed at the western media who say Putin this or Putin that is the stupid dream that he is an all powerful god like dictator. He is the leader of the Russian state, and the war is with Russia, not Putin.
Same goes for the western clowns. Why waste a bullet or novichok on them.

Posted by: watcher | Jan 26 2023 21:44 utc | 152

Jigalt @140
Vladimir Putin has the moral high ground, to do as you suggest would result in the accusation ‘both sides of the conflict are as bad as the other they are not. Russia is the victem of this unprovoked attack against Russias very existence.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 26 2023 21:44 utc | 153

Too late. Women already part of Ukranian army.
Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jan 26 2023 21:24 utc |
Wouldn’t it be easier to renounce the citizenship instead?

Posted by: Vikichka | Jan 26 2023 21:46 utc | 154

@ jgalt | Jan 26 2023 21:06 utc | 140
in spite of all the western media conditioning to think a certain way, i don’t believe putin or russia thinks this way.. it is a very western attitude to want to knock of people like this.. very western… and of course we are told in the ‘western msm’ that russia does this all the time.. it is bullshit as i see it.. i agree with Norwegian..

Posted by: james | Jan 26 2023 21:47 utc | 155

re: jgalt | Jan 26 2023 21:06 utc | 140
you wrote: “Why has Putin not sent out professional hit men after the likes of Boris Johnson, George Soros, the Davos Dildo Schwab etc.”
and re: Norwegian | Jan 26 2023 21:10 utc | 144
While I am not advocating such a course of action, the results would be preferable to a nuclear holocaust. Many Americans would be happy to see the neocons (driving the escalation of the war) to be removed from the scene. Elections in America are now so thoroughly rigged that one certainly can’t count on that mechanism to the job.
Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 26 2023 21:37 utc | 151
I agree Perimetr. I personally see nothing wrong with wiping out Globalists in any manner possible.
After all is this not a war between the Globalist’s and one of the last major free nations.
Give them no rest. It is war anyway.

Posted by: jgalt | Jan 26 2023 21:48 utc | 156

RE: Gorn no. 143
“I would recommend the Ukrainians to identify them self as woman.
See how Brussel will deal with that matter.”
I think that this refers to Ukrop men who have been smart enough to flee to Europe and whom the UA govt now wants extradited home to be slaughtered in the war
If they self re-identify they may escape – if Brussels is true to the trans supporting values

Posted by: Aslangeo | Jan 26 2023 21:50 utc | 157

Posted by: nwwoods | Jan 26 2023 21:42 utc | 154
Very interesting piece in your link.
It would seem like a sliver of rationality is creeping in to the USA. The deal discussed would of course be foolish for Russia, because it sets the scene for a future ware in 10 years, however much would depend on the actual state of Russia’s military defence and hardware. We cannot really know what it actually is so Russian may need to consider best option- war now or war in 10 years

Posted by: watcher | Jan 26 2023 21:59 utc | 158

Worth watching, one hell of an amazing kaboom, start w/ the 2nd vid:

In the LPR, BARS “Kaskad” discovered and gave a tip to precision weapons to destroy the S-300 complex
UPD: this is the Kharkov region, and several S-300s were destroyed by Iskander.

https://t.me/ZandVchannel/49001

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 26 2023 22:04 utc | 159

Jigalt @ 159
Some times in live two opposite views can both be right, leading to endless dispute. I hold my view, but tend to like yours better since you added to it.
But of course then theirs the the concern … what if all countrys killed each others leaders ?
Good or bad.
Do I want to live in that world, mmm

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 26 2023 22:04 utc | 160

@ jgalt | Jan 26 2023 21:48 utc | 159
slippery slope.. might makes right… drones are okay, even if you accidentally take out the wrong family and etc. etc.. do you live in the usa or some brainwashed western place?

Posted by: james | Jan 26 2023 22:08 utc | 161

Vajezatha | Jan 26 2023 17:59 utc | 97 – Cc: @stranger
Syria is not rich with resources
Wrong. Besides the oil which the US steals in Syria’s East, a valuable ressource there is …water. Israel steals 30% of its water from the occupied Syrian Golan.

Posted by: OttoE | Jan 26 2023 22:10 utc | 162

Posted by: Joe | Jan 26 2023 18:23 utc | 106
Toward a New World Order: The Future of NATO (1993): intellectually incoherent.
A feature story (1995) that profiles his career reveals quite interesting pathology—not least of which family assimilation in NAZI occupied Hungary—and subsequent dissociative behaviors.
The World According to George Soros

He remarked, with a dry chuckle, “Of course, this whole interest in universal ideas is a typical means to escape from the particular.”[…]This inner detachment, moreover, came to be outwardly reflected in a strikingly dual existence. He always thought of himself as a philosopher (when he was young, he expected that he would become another John Maynard Keynes or Albert Einstein), and he labored over drafts of theoretical treatises for many years; but at the same time he was notorious in financial markets as a singularly hard-edged, aggressive, and ruthless operator. [….] Byron Wien told me that Soros “tends to think of himself in the third person,” and went on to say, “He wants to achieve certain objectives—he gets his satisfaction from that, not from human relationships.” He added, “George has transactional relationships. People get something from him, he from them.”

a clinical psychopath. I hadn’t expected that, though it fits a personality type in HBS cases commonly associated with and selected for securities trading desks (before HFT automation).

Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 26 2023 22:11 utc | 163

A few dozen tanks, even a few hundred tanks does not seem significant, much less some kind of game changer, considering the size of this metastasizing war.
But this truculent gesture of tanks does do something important. It’s a step up the weapons ladder. Nothing shocking, just a few handfuls of tanks. But missing a step on the ladder can be bad news–here, letting out the shock of F-16s, F 35 Lightnings and then tactical nuclear weapons You have to ease into that, one monstrosity at a time. And those powers arrayed against Russia will go there.
As long as Ze is not Mussolinied as he darkly deserves. Russia’s greatest mistake.
Even a humble chess player like me knows the game goes on till the king’s taken out of play. Russia should have created that vacuum months ago. Ze’s fate is a given, so there’s that, too.
Or wait for a military bums’ rush the world has never yet seen.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Jan 26 2023 22:15 utc | 164

@juliania | Jan 26 2023 19:28 utc | 119
Nice. If you do not know it, you may be one of the few equipped to fully appreciate the following.
MATERIALISM (by C.E.M. Joad)
There was a professor of Beaulieu
Who said mind was matter or ύλη
This contempt for the είδος
Though common at Cnidos
Distressed the New Forest unduly.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 26 2023 22:15 utc | 165

There must be lots of young Ukrainian men and women hiding out in the UK. I’m sure Sunak will do everything in his power to make sure they go back and fight for democracy. They would probably jump at the chance to train on Challenger tanks.

Posted by: dh | Jan 26 2023 22:16 utc | 166

Trump foresees nuclear after tanks, unless they stop the war (they created). I’d say it’s more like this: tanks, boots on the ground, nukes. Regardless, there are innumerable variants to this Beckettian endgame. e.g. poloniumizing Putin, sinking the Admiral Gorshkov frigate or some Brig. Gen. Jack D. Ripper paired with Pedo the Senile. Fun times, as seen through Kubrick’s eyes at least. Btw, was his death natural?

Posted by: Sektion2B | Jan 26 2023 22:16 utc | 167

Interesting times.
The Guardian newspaper along with all government and corporate media. Continue to ignore the reality of country 404. Pumping out the usual poopaganda fantasy fiction.
Meantime, whilst DicKtator ‘z’ is said to be cleaning out the fraudsters(not really) for PR consumption only! The ever-greedy little “z’. Has embarked on a new theft enterprise. The wholesale theft of Orthodox church funds.
The trash-cleaning operations continue to destroy whatever is left of country 404 militia forces. On the eastern front, the daily defections of conscripts melting away continue unabated.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jan 26 2023 22:24 utc | 168

Big Serge update.
Ugledar could be mostly wrapped up in the next 24 hours. Between this and the Ukrainian collapse in Marinka, their entire front in southeastern Donetsk is bleeding.
https://twitter.com/witte_sergei/status/1618723230889693186

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 26 2023 22:27 utc | 169

Bravo Canada! That’s the spirit…
“Canada to send 4 combat-ready Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine in the coming weeks.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/canada-send-four-leopard-2-182039111.html

Posted by: dh | Jan 26 2023 22:32 utc | 170

Sektion 2B NO. 170
“Btw, was his death natural?”
Whose death? You mentioned quite a few people.
But in any case, all deaths are natural.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jan 26 2023 22:35 utc | 171

Kubrick’s.

Posted by: Sektion2B | Jan 26 2023 22:37 utc | 172

Sam @ 34
Sorry, but I have a touch of OCD when it comes to the accuracy of facts—even when I’m in agreement with the points inaccurate ‘facts’ are being utilized for. So no, it is not 17,000 deaths in the Donbas from 2014-2/24/2022. It is 14,000. No, it is actually a few hundred below that number but most people round up. However, this rounded figure , while essentially true, is often cited misleadingly. While true that 80% + of that number were citizens of the DPR and LDR, nearly all of that number were killed by the end of 2015. According to the OSCE, which was responsible for monitoring the LOC, about 380 fatalities occurred from 2016 until the beginning of the SMO. I read the OSCE reports, and you can too—and I agree—consider the source. However, I maintain that utilizing the most accurate version of facts takes nothing away from the political views predominantly expressed here at the Bar—better accuracy builds credibility. Sorry to all Bar residents who do not share my OCD for taking up this space, but sometimes I have to let loose my OCD tendencies even for such a minor point on accuracy.

Posted by: mjh | Jan 26 2023 22:37 utc | 173

Mrs Baerbock is a rather unattractive, immoral harpy without a conscience and I hope she gets what she deserves. But well, she may be less hypocritacal than most Western politicians. What can be more nauseating than hearing some of them repeat that “they don’t want to escalate”, “their war is not against Russian people” etc. As if the Rubicon hasn’t been crossed.
What I do hope, however, is that Russia has learned its lessons well and won’t run in the same traps set by the USA as the Soviet Union did (especially economically of course).
And if Stalingrad regains its name won’t that be a message….

Posted by: Anthony | Jan 26 2023 22:37 utc | 174

Admittedly Turkiye runs hot and cold but right now it’s hot and this is the from the FM:
Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu announced the suspension of negotiations with Sweden and Finland on joining NATO.
He stated this at a joint press conference following negotiations with his Serbian counterpart, Ivica Dacic, according to Anadolu Agency reports.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/30887

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 26 2023 22:38 utc | 175

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 26 2023 22:38 utc | 178
Is Turkey not wise to refute Sweden and Finland from joining NATO and ain’t it in the interest of the citizens of Sweden and Finland?
I mean I suppose after Turkey gets out of NATO, Sweden and Finland can do as the please, but is it really in the interest of the citizens of Sweden and Finland to become part of NATO?
Turkey shows wisdom on this and other matters especially with respect to Syria lately, and it is the prerogative of Turkey to do this being they basically control access from the Mediterranean to the Black Sea, and that is quite the bottleneck of importance is it not?
Moreover, there was a coup in Turkey a few years ago and just recently a terrorist attack, and seems obvious to me who Turkey is advised to align with, and if it is obvious to a peasant, must be obvious to many others as well.
All hegemonies die in the end – that history tells us with confidence.
BK

Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Jan 26 2023 22:44 utc | 176

This might interest those asserting the innate superiority of US tanks and crews.
Mizokami Kyle (2016-05-17). U.S. Crews Fail To Place in NATO Tank Competition. Popular Mechanics.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 26 2023 22:46 utc | 177

per my post @179….make that an “attempted” coup…..and doesn’t mean I love Turkey, but just means the times are changing and I suspect the changes will be rapid.

Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Jan 26 2023 22:47 utc | 178

Sektion 2B no. 175
Great Kubrick films.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jan 26 2023 22:53 utc | 179

@mjh | Jan 26 2023 22:37 utc | 176
Sam is likely still understating the numbers.
The OSCE numbers are only validated direct deaths reported by multiple media outlets. As we have seen from peer-reviewed studies of surplus deaths in various US lead conflicts, actual deaths tend to be significantly higher. It would be very strange if this vicious genocidal war of attrition were an exception.

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 26 2023 22:54 utc | 180

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 26 2023 22:46 utc | 180
That is telling. I loved the part where a Pepsi truck driver, and somebody from the post office maybe, and another hombre just going about his day-to-day life but all members of the North Carolina National Guard beat the regular army participants in a tank contest. What a joke the DoD is – just another 3-letter agency on the way out I reckon – maybe after the FDA and the CDC being they are trying to poison all the children in the country…..although the DoD I’m pretty sure ain’t independent of that.
~
Ain’t it funny how all these things are connected – I don’t know about you, but I’m ready for big changes and I hope they happen QUICKLY because the scales are in the balance and time is of the essence.
BK

Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Jan 26 2023 23:03 utc | 181

Shannon with Z | Jan 26 2023 17:47 utc | 94
You left out a few rather important pieces of information.
Who is paying for these Karpowerships, when and with what? What fuel are these Karpowerships to use? Where will it be sourced? Who will pay for it, when and woth what? How does power get from “Moldova and Romania ports” to Ukrainian without HT transformers and switchgear?

Posted by: Hermit | Jan 26 2023 23:03 utc | 182

For the sake of accuracy, from the link provided by Hermit – @180
~
A tank crew consisting of an insurance adjustor, Pepsi truck driver, college student, and aspiring police officer beat fifteen other reserve and active duty tank crews to place first.

Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Jan 26 2023 23:05 utc | 183

Blinken Convinced Biden to Give Ukraine Tanks to Conceal NATO Rift Over Military Aid, Reports Say
LINK

Both US President Joe Biden and Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin were skeptical about sending main battle tanks to Ukraine, but both were convinced to assent after Secretary of State Antony Blinken explained it was necessary to heal a rift opening in the NATO alliance, reports in US media said on Thursday.[.]

Fighter Jets next
Ukraine sets sights on fighter jets after securing tank supplies
Reuters

KYIV, Jan 25 (Reuters) – Ukraine will now push for Western fourth generation fighter jets such as the U.S. F-16 after securing supplies of main battle tanks, an adviser to Ukraine’s defence minister said.
Ukraine won a huge boost for its troops on Wednesday as Germany and the United States announced plans to provide heavy tanks for Kyiv, ending weeks of diplomatic deadlock on the issue.
“The next big hurdle will now be the fighter jets,” Yuriy Sak, who advises Defence Minister Oleksiy Reznikov, told Reuters by phone.[.]
“If we get them (Western fighter jets), the advantages on the battlefield will be just immense… It’s not just F-16s (U.S. multirole fighter jets): fourth generation aircraft, this is what we want.”[.]
Summary
* Kyiv wants F-16s, says they would have ‘immense’ impact
* Ukraine only just secured tanks after Ramstein meeting
* Next Ramstein meeting is expected next month
* U.S. says fighter jets idea to be discussed very carefully

Ok, the tanks were a bust and the F-16s got taken down….
next step on the munitions ladder, they’ll press for nukes?

Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 26 2023 23:07 utc | 184

One Pantsir shot down 12 HIMARS missiles recently. Well, the new Pantsir ad hoc upgrade seems to be working. You learn as you go.

Posted by: Sektion2B | Jan 26 2023 23:11 utc | 185

Buffalo_Ken: I hope Türkiye NEVER leaves NATO. Türkiye’s role as monkey wrench in the NATO gears is invaluable.

Posted by: malenkov | Jan 26 2023 23:16 utc | 186

slippery slope.. might makes right… drones are okay, even if you accidentally take out the wrong family and etc. etc.. do you live in the usa or some brainwashed western place?
Posted by: james | Jan 26 2023 22:08 utc | 164
No I don’t, why are you making this personal? I simply asked a question. After all it is undeclared open war. Where to you live? Probably UK.
Yah so have a nice day and try to focus on the question.

Posted by: jgalt | Jan 26 2023 23:20 utc | 187

I would really know how serious the numbers of the Russian DoD about material and personell losses of the Ukranine can be taken.

Posted by: Johannes S. Herbst | Jan 26 2023 23:23 utc | 188

Jigalt @ 159
Some times in live two opposite views can both be right, leading to endless dispute. I hold my view, but tend to like yours better since you added to it.
But of course then theirs the the concern … what if all countrys killed each others leaders ?
Good or bad.
Do I want to live in that world, mmm
Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 26 2023 22:04 utc | 163
But you accept living in a world were so called psychopathic, Leaders kill the common folks in the millions.
Why so squeamish about a few psychopaths?

Posted by: jgalt | Jan 26 2023 23:24 utc | 189

prez biden says usa will do what it takes as long as it takes with euro lives to push donbas and crimea back into ukrostan….!! territorial integrity.
while the usa in 1954 prevented geneva/indochina union elections and killed a few million thru 1975 to keep south vietnam from getting back with the cousins in the north!!
that was the war of my youth, the usa did same from korea through libya to afghanistan and iraq, with syria they even armed the guys who allegedly blew up manhattan and the pentagon in 2001.
pray for peace, no cominmg from biden and usa.

Posted by: paddy | Jan 26 2023 23:27 utc | 190

ThusspakeZarathustra @174–
Death is indeed natural, but not all deaths happen naturally.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 26 2023 23:29 utc | 191

Buffalo_Ken: I hope Türkiye NEVER leaves NATO. Türkiye’s role as monkey wrench in the NATO gears is invaluable.
Posted by: malenkov | Jan 26 2023 23:16 utc | 189
~
I suppose that is up to Turkey what they want to do. As for NATO, does it not seem on the same path and the EU and the UK? With the USofA not far behind makes me sad to type. I mean really – what is the half-life of dimwits? Blinking dimwit diplomats are the worst.
~
Best to you,
BK

Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Jan 26 2023 23:30 utc | 192

Who is paying for these Karpowerships, when and with what? What fuel are these Karpowerships to use? Where will it be sourced? Who will pay for it, when and woth what? How does power get from “Moldova and Romania ports” to Ukrainian without HT transformers and switchgear?
Posted by: Hermit | Jan 26 2023 23:03 utc | 185
They said, they run on gas, oil and biodiesel. So the question for me is: Do they use Russian or Ukrainian wheat for making biodiesel?

Posted by: Johannes S. Herbst | Jan 26 2023 23:31 utc | 193

@karlof1 – you know your statement contradicts itself.
I mean death is natural and who knows when the time is upon ya….so best to be humble is my plan and grow a garden if you can.

Posted by: Buffalo_Ken | Jan 26 2023 23:36 utc | 194

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 26 2023 23:29 utc | 194
Ask Arafat.

Posted by: Sektion2Bs | Jan 26 2023 23:39 utc | 195

The latest Duran live stream discusses the “escalation escalator”…
The escalation escalator w/iEarlGrey (Live)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsu9BS-qwg4
– RSH

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Jan 26 2023 23:39 utc | 196

re jgalt | Jan 26 2023 21:48 utc | 159
In regard to your proposal to eliminate Western leaders, I think watcher | Jan 26 2023 21:44 utc | 155 makes an important point; watcher wrote:
Perhaps because the Russians understand that these characters are front men and puppets and within 2 weeks of them passing a new puppet would appear and one who is possibly worse.
The fools in the West who want to get Putin out of office should understand his replacement would/will surely take a much harder, nationalistic line than does Putin — that person would be “worse”, too, as far as the neocons and company are concerned.
So it seems simple assassination attempts or color revolutions are not going to cause any substantial change in policy in either the US or Russia.
It has been proposed here that a bomb on the City of London, where the banksters reside, might be more likely to eliminate those in charge of finding sock puppet replacements . . .

Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 26 2023 23:40 utc | 197

Has embarked on a new theft enterprise. The wholesale theft of Orthodox church funds.
As despicable and stupid as Z is, sometime he does positive things.

Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Jan 26 2023 23:44 utc | 198

@Norwegian #142
No country has ever fallen from sanctions, I highly doubt they thought Russia would.
Remember they were going to negotiate after the last big NATO supplied push because it would give them the position of strength. Now what? Just wait till after the spring attack? They just keep pushing and teasing the end soon.. Next the coalition will start and the western world will learn the leaders will force them into fighting too.

Posted by: OohCanada | Jan 26 2023 23:44 utc | 199

Killing Hitler in 1943 would have lengthened the war. Killing Churchill in late December 1941 could have led to a German defeat in 1944. Churchill and Hitler, like Zelensky, were military incompetents, whose interference in military decision making was often catastrophic. The enemy wants to keep these kind of people alive.

Posted by: Technophobe | Jan 26 2023 23:52 utc | 200