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January 23, 2023

Ukraine Open Thread 2023-21

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.

Posted by b on January 23, 2023 at 16:26 UTC | Permalink

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@ 194
The loss of "unity in approaches" is an expected feature of the ongoing move to a multipolar world.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 24 2023 5:15 utc | 201

❗️ Today, at the Council of the Foreign Ministers of the EU countries, Hungary asked for help from the EU countries in the situation with the mobilization of Hungarians in Ukrainian Transcarpathia.

Earlier, the President of Hungary noted that in a letter to Zelensky she expressed concern about this, but there was no answer.

For the past few days, military registration and enlistment offices have been on duty in public places, as well as conducting door-to-door and door-to-door rounds with agendas in the cities of Beregovo and Vinogradov, and the village of Syurte. These settlements are places of compact residence of the Hungarian diaspora, whose share of the local population is 30-50%.

And now Hungarian journalists are already sounding the alarm because of the massive mobilization of Hungarians that has begun. "If this continues, not a single Hungarian will remain in Transcarpathia"‼️

Posted by: Down South | Jan 24 2023 5:15 utc | 202

Posted by: the pessimist | Jan 23 2023 21:14 utc | 69

Wagner treating US franc tirraileurs well ? Therein lies the problem. As mercs they (Yanks) are not covered by Geneva Conventions , and should have been shot out of hand , and deep-sixed. Why the videos and broadcasting? It is war, and everyone should have shut up about it. Which American intelligence -types went missing? Where? Why are they here? This is us and the Ukros , so why are Americans here? Get my drift.

Yes, I know Russia has constraints of all types placed upon it, but this is life or death, a street-fight, not some gentleman’s boxing match with Queensberry Rules. So , Russia, start fighting as if you really believe it is an existential matter rather than just musing about it…

Posted by: Brother Ma | Jan 24 2023 5:15 utc | 203

Kiryukha did not decide.
The media write that he wrote a letter of resignation.

We wrote that Kyrylo Timoshenko tried to solve it, but it was not possible to see. Ermak poured beautifully.
Following Kiryuha, all his proteges must leave.

We are waiting for Zelensky to accept his resignation.

A quiet war between Yermak and Tymoshenko has been going on for a long time, back in 2021 we got inside about it. The war slightly shifted their war into the background, but the thirst for power and greed took over them.
Ermak emerged victorious again...

Posted by: Down South | Jan 24 2023 5:16 utc | 204

After Brexit, USexit. The 85% need to kick the US in the short & curlies. Could BoJo be the man to do it? The US needs to exit itself, is MAGAman the man to divide and rule it?

Instead of FUKUSHIT dividing and ruling the 85% of us who still have brains.

Posted by: Giyane | Jan 24 2023 5:17 utc | 205

Colleagues, no one will detain Kirill Timoshenko.
He knows too much about many. He will start talking, will merge all the "black schemes".

The only ones who can "take" Kirill are NABU in order to have a "trump card" against the office ones. Perhaps they have already traded this card in the behind-the-scenes auction.

Everyone knows that the global task of the Western lobby is to clean up Zelensky’s entire entourage and then leave him alone, surrounding him with his “advisers”.

Posted by: Down South | Jan 24 2023 5:17 utc | 206

Giyane @ 104
Nah look what Boris Johnson did to grenfail towers block of flats in London pure nazi through and through.
Trump nah look what he did to the Venezuelan embassy in the US.

1 usaly enjoy your posts but your way out on this one.

Trump and bozo are devil's in disguise.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 24 2023 5:55 utc | 207

Interesting news day.

The Guardian Newspaper and The British B(ullS) Zorporation still continues with usual lies and poopaganda at the behest of Diktator "z" from country 404. The erratic statements issued by Brit MOD. Indicates a possible serious addiction to some unknown as yet mind-altering drug(not Gin and Tonic)./s

Seeking a computer-based AI replacement for the nearly useless current very corrupt general staff of country 404. Diktator "z" is exhorting and or demanding the USSA big tech. To supply him with a portable version of the W.O.P.R. AI code-named 'Joshua". Question Who will die suddenly in a new helicopter crash? In old Kyiv Russian residential containment sector. Place your bets!

The Russian Stavka plan is working as per plan A. In attracting fresh raw recruits to the Donbas Allied Army.

RF has dispatched an additional fresh draught of all volunteers. To the Karelia winter training ground.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jan 24 2023 6:14 utc | 208

@ karlof1 | Jan 23 2023 19:35 utc | 34

That Q&A down to and including "Life goes on" is just the most beautiful diagnosis of and international prescription for what the purchasers and compradors of America have been conspiring to use us for (you don't have to invade America, you can just buy us).

Posted by: John Kennard | Jan 24 2023 7:05 utc | 209

[96]. What are and the Green Jackets . ????????

As for Germany - former DDR - you should note this from Thilo Sarazzin:

Im Spätherbst hatte ich als Autor einige Veranstaltungen in Ostdeutschland. Im Blick auf die politischen Verhältnisse in Deutschland bin ich ein kritischer Zeitgenosse und bringe das auch öffentlich zum Ausdruck. Aber ich war doch erschrocken über die ungebremste emotionale Wut auf die deutsche Politik, die mir von großen Teilen des Publikums entgegenschlug. Das kam nicht nur von einigen radikalen Spinnern, In dem sehr gemischt zusammengesetzten Publikum traf diese Wut auf eine breite Resonanz.

You are aware that in the former GDR there are no intermediate institutions between the political elite and the voter ? Unlike West Germany there are no local groupings or anything other than the Volunteer Fire Brigade and that institution tries at Dorf level to organise sausage-grills or "events" to create a sense of "community" and receives funding for same from the Landesregierung.

The former DDR is occupied territory - most top jobs are held by Wessis - even Ramelow the SED leader of Thuringen came from West Germany. It is a different country which has lost its social institutions from DDR days. - its Polykliniks were dissolved and doctors are scattered across the landscape instead of health centres as in DDR........yet now West tries to create Polykliniks just as UK developed Medical Centres.

Most young people want a job with Police, Healthcare, Government to get job security and national pay rates and benefits which put Beamte on a much higher plane than mere employees in the private sector. In that sense it is like DDR in that Staatsdienst confers status.

Germany has 2 million Russlanddeutsche, around the same number of Turks, around 1 million Syrians, around 1 million Ukrainians now............Berlin is a Chaosstadt.........nothing functions in Germany does not get delivered because pay is crap and people go sick..........German post office expects normal Brieftrager to deliver up to 20kg loads !!!!

You need appointments to get a car registered..........!!!!

Strikes abound - hospitals, schools, is simply not reported

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 24 2023 7:33 utc | 210


After the news emerged, Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, vowed that the old ways of corruption would not return to Ukraine.

Quite right too ! No room for Small Time Operators when Grand Larceny is practised in US-Ukie Deals at the highest levels and Boris Johnson is on retainer........(come to think of it Churchill was on retainer to Czech Government pre-war)

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 24 2023 7:35 utc | 211

@103 pipedream
What exactly is the threat from China?

The threats are many. In general, they could soon dominate the world in a number of ways.
China has a highly educated populace. Chinese has a very advanced infrastructure. Chinese will work long and hard hours. China prefers making business friends to making war. The number of China’s allies and business partners is growing. China’s populace is generally very supportive of their government. China’s neighbors are becoming better friends with them. China’s capabilities in civil engineering are called the best in the world.

Posted by: HelenB | Jan 24 2023 7:44 utc | 212

Posted by: HelenB | Jan 24 2023 7:44 utc | 212

Except those aren't "threats" except in the sense of a "zero-sum world", in which anyone else's success is your failure.

Unfortunately, 99% of the human race think this way. Even chimpanzees aren't that dumb.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jan 24 2023 7:54 utc | 213

@ Phariah | Jan 23 2023 20:40 utc | 61

The RF is the only Eurasian Federation needed, with good ties south.

Posted by: John Kennard | Jan 24 2023 7:54 utc | 214

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 24 2023 5:08 utc | 196

Thank you for proving my point, chimpanzee.

"It's too much of an ego boost to dump on people and establish one's superiority. It's chimpanzee behavior that isn't ever going to change."

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jan 24 2023 7:57 utc | 215

The Potsdam Declaration in 1945 set the terms of unconditional surrender for Japan at the end of WW2. The terms were occupation, disarmament of the military, demilitarisation, industry to be permitted except for those which could lead the country to rearm, the introduction of democracy and other factors which you can read on wiki. These same terms were also imposed on Germany. Signatories were Russia, US and Britain (Stalin, Roosevelt and Attlee).
So my question is how come Germany is building Leopard 2 tanks? I guess this is technically permitted as it’s not strictly to rearm Germany right? But they are being encouraged to supply them to Ukraine to fight Russia? For Germany to deliver german armaments for the purpose of war with Russia is precisely what the Declaration was designed to prevent. Surely the delivery of these tanks is against this Declaration? [...] Is this Declaration going to be binned?
pipedream | Jan 23 2023 22:29 utc | 103

The question is very important and I have already written here about Postdam Agreement. The terms were not only disarmament, demilitarisation and occupation but a full denazification

But the Potsdam Agreement (as later the Minsk Agreement ) were not respected by USUK.
In fact, they had already been buried in 1946.

First of all, it was more than a conference between the three powers represented, it was an agreement endorsed by the five countries that would become permanent members of the UN Security Council with veto power.
You can read the full text here as a pdf
But (as Minsk) USUK just bought some time to be able to organize an administration infiltrated by "former" Nazis in the territory they controlled, to restart a heavy industry (metallurgy, chemistry...) with an open military orientation and a remilitarization.
The parody of denazification was summed up in the cult of the Shoah, which made it possible to hide behind anti-Semitism the essential component of Nazism, that of the conquest of Lebensraum in the East by the elimination of the Untermenschen (in this respect, the Jews of Central Europe, far from being Semites, were only a particular form of "Muzhiks")

Some academic work:

At the end of the Second World War, in accordance with agreements made between Winston Churchill, Franklin D. Roosevelt and Joseph Stalin at Yalta in February 1945, Germany was divided by the victorious Allies - Britain, the US, the Soviet Union and France - into four zones of occupation. It was originally intended that the country would be governed as a single entity by central German administrations, in accordance with decisions made by the four Allies acting jointly through the Allied Control Council in Berlin, but in practice each of the Allies ran their zone more or less independently for the first two years of the occupation. In 1947 the British and US zones combined economically to form the ‘Bizone’ but remained separate political entities. It was not until 1949, four years after the end of the war, that the three western zones formally joined together to form the Federal Republic of (West) Germany, and the Soviet zone became the German Democratic Republic (East Germany).

Posted by: Weimar | Jan 24 2023 8:04 utc | 216

Paul Greenwood | Jan 24 2023 7:33 utc | 210

Bravo! You always astonish with the depth of inside into this country. Not only true, it really hits the nail. - I am German and of Eastern German descend.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Jan 24 2023 8:05 utc | 217

📌 The battalion of Kharkov territorial defense has been reduced to older men in the battle for Bakhmut

UkroSMI reports that in the 124th TRO battalion (Lozovaya, Kharkov region), which was recently sent to Bakhmut, the majority of eliminated AFU soldiers are over 50 years old.

The high losses among elderly Ukrainian soldiers can be explained by the significant losses and unwillingness of less-aged AFU personnel to be in front-line positions, which is why personnel of preretirement age is sent there.

Posted by: Down South | Jan 24 2023 8:17 utc | 218

AFU Chief Zaluzhny reported to Zelensky about the constant growth of refusals by junior and middle officers to go to Bakhmut. Cases of desertion and non-compliance with orders have become more frequent, which affects the overall discipline in the army. The Commander-in-Chief demands public criminal cases to bring the situation under control before preparing a counteroffensive.

Posted by: Down South | Jan 24 2023 8:21 utc | 219

@ Opport Knocks | Jan 23 2023 23:33 utc | 122

Don't snow on a good story.

Posted by: John Kennard | Jan 24 2023 8:28 utc | 220

"adults who disagree whilst respecting another debater"

This is not a debate. And, increased awareness comes from criticism, struggle and contradiction rather than respect and love. Moderate "adult" academic discourse produces a culture of syndication that harbors falsehoods. Incidentally, the debate competition clearly failed to produce any cognitive benefit.

As has been mentioned before, one of Russia's major problems is that Putin is still beholden to Russian globalist oligarchs - the Wagner group did not even kill the American agents who came to carry out the assassination and sabotage.

Posted by: Colin | Jan 24 2023 8:32 utc | 221

He (Timoshenko) went on a "vacation" with earned millions.

You know what Kiryuha's entourage says.
Now let's have a rest, and then we will come again to shoot beautiful videos for biomass, creating an illusion. They will soon forget everything anyway.

Once again, the telegram channels turned out to be right that:
1. Power is mired in corruption
2. Inside there is a cabinet war and plums
3. Americans bend Zelensky, strengthening their influence and introducing their players
4. These resignations will not change anything, and Bankova wants to use them as a PR before the elections.

Posted by: Down South | Jan 24 2023 8:41 utc | 222

I also think Biden is being blackmailed, but not for sending troops to Ukraine, but to prevent him from starting the WWIII. Biden has a very personal stake in Ukraine, and it is going up in smoke.

Posted by: Old Brown Fool | Jan 24 2023 8:51 utc | 223

The most interesting thing about Lavrov's visit to South Africa was not the swill that the NATO journalists (including the South African-born ones) spouted at the press conferences. The most interesting thing was that the South African Minister for International Relations and Cooperation (foreign affairs, that is) rolled back her earlier tentative support for NATO in Ukraine and flatly said that calling on Russia to withdraw from Ukraine was "infantile" because of the conditions there, particularly the way that NATO was flooding Ukraine with weapons. This caused a lot of South African journalists' heads to explode (luckily they don't need them to copy out their press releases). This is particularly interesting in the light of the pro-NATO stance of our current President, who is, however, extremely weak.

Another interesting thing is that China and Russia are holding naval exercises with South Africa. This is probably more PR than anything else for Russia, which has few strategic concerns in southern Africa, but it's very significant for China because if they go to war with America they need to be able to control the sea routes round the Cape of Good Hope. The Americans must be hopping mad -- in fact they recently warned that South Africa would soon lose its entire electricity network. I wonder if they know something?

Posted by: MFB | Jan 24 2023 8:56 utc | 224

Someone should tell Estonia, if they try to start a war by trying to blockade international waters with mines or whatever means, it's on them.
Posted by: unimperator | Jan 23 2023 20:05 utc | 49

They're a proxy but can do a lot of damage just like Ukr. "West plans to supply the Estonian army with state-of-the-art weapon systems to keep St. Petersburg under the gun" - Russian Ambassador V. Lipaev

When you have Shoigu and Gerasimov as generals, still stuck in Donbass, shooting missiles at useless targets that don't even turn off lights or transport for more than a day, anything is possible. Some people still think nato will be forced to go back to 90s configuration by Shoigu... hilarious. All Russia's borders will be filled with missiles and nukes to protect terrorists that will flow into Ukr and Russia. Syrianization complete, hence the Pantsirs on buildings.

Posted by: rk | Jan 24 2023 9:01 utc | 225

IMO, the most likely scenario is that sometime in not too distant future, it will become unavoidably clear that, under a relentless assault of Russian forces, the Ukrainian armed forces will be in a state of collapse. Around this time I see a couple possibilities. Either (1) the US will create some excuse to send US, Romanian, and Polish troops into Western Ukraine, or (2) the US will give the green light to Poland to move into Galacia (and Poland certainly is eager to regain what it consider to be Polish territory by historical right). The neocons truly believe that the presence of US/NATO troops in Western Ukraine will cause Russia to "back down" rather than fight; they are dead wrong.

Poland is heavily committed in both these scenarios, plus all the weapons pouring into Ukraine are being routed through Poland, and perhaps that will lead Russia to hit Poland. But Russia is going to put the hammer down, and when it does, I expect it to fall not only on Polish troops but also on the Polish Aegis Ashore facility. I think if Russia takes out one facility, it will simultaneously take out the other.

And should the "coalition of the willing" -- comprised of US, Polish, and Romanian troops (as described by Col. Douglas Macgregor) -- make its way into western Ukraine, the hammer will also fall the Aegis Ashore facility in Romania.

Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 24 2023 4:56 utc | 191

I too think that is where this is headed in the playbook of the Straussian Neocons in the USA. Hence the strategy of getting Russia to deplete its stockpile of weapons, manpower and morale against Ukraine. Pure madness and evil.

If only there were some method of excising them from power in the USA.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 24 2023 9:28 utc | 226

”Biden has a very personal stake in Ukraine, and it is going up in smoke.”

Old man Joe with 50 years FP under his belt is used to that … most recently flight from Kabul, before that Syria, Libya and Iraq were lost and left behind in chaos. An usurper of innocent lives … no more American blood spilled in vain, de mantra of Der Trumpf.

Posted by: Oui | Jan 24 2023 9:32 utc | 227

Thierry Meyssan's latest on the Voltaire Network...

... Paul Wolfowitz to write a report which has only come to us largely redacted. Excerpts from the original report published by the New York Times and the Washington Post show that Washington no longer considered Russia a threat, but the European Union a potential rival . It stated: "While the United States supports the project of European integration, we must be careful to prevent the emergence of a purely European security system that would undermine NATO, especially its integrated military command structure." In other words, Washington approves of a European defence subordinate to NATO, but is ready to destroy the European Union if it imagines itself becoming a political power capable of standing up to it....

This war is not being waged against Moscow, but to weaken the European Union.

~ Thierry Meyssan

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 24 2023 10:15 utc | 228

@Melaleuca, §173
I agree, M.
I think the stupid Rumanians are letting themselves be used by the Americans, probably with some promise like union with Moldavia. While everybody is watching Poland-Galicia for action, the Americans will launch a high-tech naval blitzkrieg against Crimea from Rumania. The Russians haven´t much in the way of naval power but what they have has already left Novorossiisk for the Black Sea.
Fireworks, I think, are coming . . .

Posted by: John Marks | Jan 24 2023 10:24 utc | 229

Re Hungary - Yes, there are areas that are economically suppressed especially up around Miskolc. It has a very high percentage of Roma who refuse to work or go to school. Much has been done in Hungary, some of it exceptional meaning normal Hungarians can't get it like free houses, etc., and their plight remains the same. It is very much like the inner-city black poor in many American cities like Baltimore or Philadelphia (or DC for that matter).

Hungary will not leave either NATO or the EU. They are enjoying messing with them. The EU has already refused Hungary most of the money it normally provides over Hungary's resistance to the neoliberal policies and accusations of corruption. Here is a fact, corruption exists in every country. Yes, it exists in Hungary but from recent news, it looks like the EU leadership is even more corrupt. The Pfizer vaccine contracts are especially juicy and this seems true in nearly every western country.

Hungary has sensitive relationships with both Romania and Austria. There is no love lost between Austria and Hungary but they can help each other when it counts. Austria gets a lot of its energy from Hungary. Romania and Hungary are a big problem. Romania went all in with the US a long time ago and the Aegis ashore system built there is a direct threat to Russia. They also bought a shit ton of F-16’s a while back plus they have 3 US bases there. The 82nd is sitting there along with a rag-tag bunch of other NATO country's forces. A lot of western stuff is going into Ukraine from there but there is one big bridge that has to be crossed and Russia has already hit it several times to reduce the flow. The isthmus is a tough place to mount an attack from but it is well situated to harass Crimea. Recently Zelensky signed over Snake Island to Romania although no one is dumb enough to put another base there. Romania is a poor country, a lot poorer than Hungary and Bulgaria which is saying a lot. They are all in for the US and I can’t see that changing.

The western military doctrine requires air dominance. The 82nd can’t move at all without helicopters as they are an air mobile Division. NATO will not have air dominance ever. The only way to defeat the Russian AD is to oversaturate the sky with targets. Russia has the best-layered AD system in the world but it isn’t infallible and has its limits. It is going to take a lot of S-400 systems to take out as many targets as possible at a distance of 400 km. What is left will have to deal with S-300s, Buk, and Pantsir (plus various local systems similar to the Gephardt). However, Russia has spent the last 40 years working on jamming systems most of which haven’t been revealed yet. The same for EMP weapons. So, as Putin said they haven’t even begun to fight yet.

I believe they knew the stakes from the beginning and began a massive re-armament beginning in 2008 and decided they were facing an existential attack since 2014. They couldn’t handle it then but could forecast what is required to take on all of NATO and have spent that time wisely. If they reached their target is anyone’s guess but it is important to note that 85% of Russian forces remain uncommitted and ready for war. The forces used in Ukraine has been local forces from Lugansk and Donetsk, Chechen National Guard, and Wagner PMC. Very little of the Russian army has been involved but is now on the battlefield. Ukraine should have taken the Minsk agreements as that was the best they will have ever gotten. Now they will lose the entire country except a rump state that may only be the city of Kiev (kind of like Luxembourg). They will be isolated inside Russian territory and they will have to beg for food.

The real question is whether some EU countries will toe the line. They already showed this several times and especially after the pipelines were blown up by the US. That was an act of war against Germany which took it in the face and bowed down in subjugation like the serfs they are. German industry has remained silent even though all of this will destroy their industry. So be it. Their best hope is Russia wins and kicks some serious ass. Their fallacy is believing they aren’t directly involved. At this point, all of NATO is directly involved and are combatants. Whether Russia decides to act or not depends on what the US does next.

Russia has converted most of its submarines to fire Caliber cruise missiles and several now have Kinzhals. All can carry nuclear weapons thus SLBM are no longer necessary. The Poseidon’s are already deployed and sitting wherever they are supposed to be ready to use. How many is anyone’s guess. The Sarmats are coming online and can easily avoid all (mostly useless) American anti-missile defense systems. The nuclear-powered cruise missiles all nuclear-tipped and having an indefinite range are now also online and can hit the US from any direction making the Northern DEW line useless. Really as regards the nuclear triad it is game-set match for Russia. But, IMHO this is all to be there to back up whenever they are really planning. I think they will hit targets with non-nuclear hypersonic which worked surprisingly well in Ukraine taking out a nuclear-hardened bunker 85 meters underground near Lviv. That day should have served as a warning of things to come to the US but the neo-cons keep chugging on.

Looking at Ukraine from a US operations perspective things are much more complicated. An attack on Russian defenses from which Russia is mountings its assaults puts the US/NATO not an offensive posture. To successfully mount an attack you must have a 3:1 superiority. Force multipliers can adjust this which includes artillery, stand-off weapons, and aviation assets. Russia currently (with the exception of the HIMARS and Russia has an equal system that the HIMARS was copied from) enjoys a range advantage and a plethora of standoff weapons and now the very cheap decoy and/or attack drones. The Penicillin that the west is making fun of is apparently very effective and impossible to locate as it has zero radiation energy as it is passive only and uses sound plus seismic sensors. Anyway, NATO cannot field a force large enough to be successful and will not enjoy air dominance. That only leaves NATO with a nuclear option. Because satellites now make assembly points easy to monitor Russia will know quite a while in advance whatever is being planned. There is no way to hide it nowadays. As others here have mentioned if Russia determines the west is truly going to attack they will start it first with a knockout attempt. It is anyone’s guess what that will be limited to. Russia has clearly stated this is an existential threat to their survival which to those who don’t understand what that means equals the death of Russia. They have also clearly stated that if there is a serious threat to the survival of Russia they will destroy everything. What western thinkers always fail to realize is Russia doesn’t make threats and doesn’t back down when faced with adversity. They will trade distance for time and will always try and conserve forces but eventually, they hit hard. Very hard.

My point is this was over before it began and an awful lot of lives could have been saved if the US wasn’t so aggressive. I predicted in February last year that ultimately the US will commit all its forces available to Europe leaving the Continental US unprotected. I didn’t predict that both the US and NATO would burn up all their disposable equipment and munitions by giving them to Ukraine. This only makes it easier. I also predicted that once the US moves its forces to Europe and commits itself then China will act on Taiwan and ultimately an invasion of the US. We will see if I am right. It all depends on just how stupid the US really is. If you look carefully at force structure the US has a 20:1 support-to-gunfighter ratio. Using that you end up with approx 85,000 actual soldiers in the entire US military. Russia also has a large support ratio but it is more like 5:1 as their systems are easier to maintain. with around 15,000 tanks in reserve, they can afford to abandon them if damaged and worry about repair later. They also can manufacture ammunition and missiles enough to keep this going for years.

Honestly, I don’t know what the US was thinking or if they even think at all. This debacle never had a chance in Hell in the first place.

Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Jan 24 2023 10:41 utc | 230

Falling asleep last night listening to some reports , the Duran chaps wondered why the U.K. media was still persisting with its Narratives?

It is a good question, they probably know the answer, but here is why.

Propaganda was practiced by the British Imperial Government in late Victorian times to spread the one great export of that iteration of empire - the English Language and Mores of Aristo worship.

It employed its greatest wordsmiths , professors and universities in the task. From Wells to Blair.

They still hold the wordsmith industry , the PR industry, the goto of the elite classes scions for this century as the Church or the Military or the Civil Service had been in previous eras.

It is part of the weapons of the Collective Wastes latest effort at taking Russia.

It’s the only one that hasn’t fallen to pieces - that’s why they are still carrying on with the nonsensical propaganda of Ukraine winning and some German tanks making all the difference (but Ukraine is winning so why need the tanks???)

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 24 2023 10:46 utc | 231

Ukraine Deputy Minister of Development of communities and Territories Vyacheslav Nehoda resigned

He does not report the reasons for the dismissal.

"This is neither the time nor the place to make reports," he writes.

So we now have the governors of Sumy, Dnepropetrovsk, Kherson and Zaporizhe, deputy prosecutor and minister of development resigned. It sounds like Zelensky might be replaced shortly with someone like Zaluzhny, maybe. Either he walks away to Israel to live his life as a billionaire or ends up badly. They might frame his death and blame on Russians. That will be the new Skripal sh#tshow on steroids.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 24 2023 10:50 utc | 232

It is a waste of effort trying to educate Muttphauker. That troll is here to earn, not learn.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 24 2023 11:49 utc | 233

Operational environment of Artemovsk: the next step has been taken

Judging by the incoming information, the road from Artyomovsk (Bakhmut) through Ivanovskoye (Krasnoe) to Konstantinovka is already under our fire control (there is still unverified information that Wagner PMCs have reached the outskirts of Ivanovskoye).

Thus, only one safe road to the city remained for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which goes a little to the north, through the settlement. Khromovo.

That is, slowly but surely, everything here is approaching disaster for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a la Soledar, only with consequences that are many times greater for them.

Posted by: Down South | Jan 24 2023 11:56 utc | 234

With everything Arestovich sayed the days past his resignation, i can not help but think about Goebels resigning after D-Day/battle of Kursk and going daily on the radio and telling people but more important, the soilders that its over.
In a war that seemed to be entirely about narrative rather than the facts on the ground (for ukraine), i wonder about the impact of such a radical shift.

His last remarks about RU planed a bloodless campaign and did not even want to hurt a kitten are just insane. Just compare that with the new german MOD who called it a „Vernichtungskrieg“ aka. war of annilihation.

Posted by: El Lissitzky | Jan 24 2023 11:58 utc | 235

William Gruff @ 233
It is a waste of effort trying to educate Muttphauker. That troll is here to earn, not learn.

The goal is to turn them, damage from within. Ellsberg, Snowden many others were true believers, signing up as acolytes of empire, but what they gleaned from their work and enviroment red pilled them. Granted they were bright and literate to start with.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 24 2023 12:00 utc | 236

Thanks to b for linking on his Twitter account to another delightful Tweet exchange, this time over Bakhmut. (Here we have a thread with the original post, a reply, a reply to that reply which I’ve posted, and then a counter reply. I’m not sure what to make of this.)

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jan 24 2023 12:02 utc | 237

AFU militants wiped by "Hail" (Grad) near Avdeevka

11 AFU militants arrived for rotation. They began to unload 2 km before their positions, however, even there they were noticed by scouts of DPR army, who promptly transmitted information to rocket artillery of 11th regiment.

The result is on the video, rotation of the AFU militants did not take place.

Total disorganization and collapse. Even the would-be rotating troops in the rear get hit.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 24 2023 12:03 utc | 238

Abe | Jan 23 2023 22:38 utc | 108

Baltic states will turn into dying economic shitholes.

Aren't the Baltic states already dying? Look at the demographics and the decline in their economies. Russia wasn't the only country to be invaded by the financial predators in the 1990s. The Baltic States then compounded their problems by joining the EU.

Posted by: cirsium | Jan 24 2023 12:45 utc | 239

"Honestly, I don’t know what the US was thinking or if they even think at all. This debacle never had a chance in Hell in the first place."

Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Jan 24 2023 10:41 utc | 230

Yes, thank you for that post. It was ALWAYS a stupid idea. Especially since Bush/Cheney/Obama.

That was nice. Could not have said it better, and mostly I am too lazy to try.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 24 2023 12:47 utc | 240

Old Microbiologist | Jan 24 2023 10:41 utc | 230
Had me right up until you said China will invade the U$.
In one thousand different timelines, China will never invade the U$.
Arising from geography, and the post WW2 economic advantage, the U$ has been able for project power globally.
Those circumstances don’t exist for China… but most importantly, it has zero inclination or intention to invade the U$.
“… in the Transcarpathian village of Rónafüred (Lumshory) a Rusyn man refused to be drafted.
Those that refuse to be drafted are likely to receive a 25-year prison sentence”

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 24 2023 13:43 utc | 241

Old Microbiologist | Jan 24 2023 10:41 utc | 230

great rundown!

similar to hitler in 1940.

the empire's window to take on russia and china (may already be) is closing.

e.g. f-35 is wrecking us tactical aviation per gao-23-106375, not to mention it already needs an update to the massive engine and its radar!

Posted by: paddy | Jan 24 2023 13:54 utc | 242

Ukrainian conscripts do not want to go into counter-offensives in human wave tactics.

Ukrainian HQ orders to send "Kraken" deathsquad to make them go.

Posted by: Arioch | Jan 24 2023 13:59 utc | 243

We see that recently in Ukraine there is some resistance to forced conscription.
What about Poland?
Could we expect forced conscription in Germany?

Posted by: Solgar | Jan 24 2023 14:14 utc | 244

Antioch @ 243

Interesting item you'v posted thanks.
It rang alarm bell for me.
The term 'kraken' as in send the kraken.
Now isn't that the very term bandied about by the white supremists back in trumps term of office ? With all the rioting, race hate, refugee hate left right battles and militarized police.

I was to embaresed to ask then but...
What the f... is a 'kraken

Some kinda crow,starling or rook perhaps ?

As in release the kraken.

Anyone care to elaborate?

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 24 2023 14:16 utc | 245

The Office of the President wants to present the corruption in power and subsequent resignations as a kind of PR for Zelensky, who started the purges.

This is, of course, manipulation designed for fools. In reality, this is an attempt to save yourself, since all your surroundings steal, and you cover them all these years. Or does someone think that all those who were dismissed started stealing just now? They have always stolen. Now they are caught and caught so hard that it is not even possible to decide.

Posted by: Down South | Jan 24 2023 14:19 utc | 246

@ Mark2 | Jan 24 2023 14:16 utc | 245

The Kraken Regiment is a special forces outfit of the Ukraine. It is named after a mythical sea monster.

Posted by: Ranelagh | Jan 24 2023 14:34 utc | 247

I was to embaresed to ask then but...
What the f... is a 'kraken

Some kinda crow,starling or rook perhaps ?

As in release the kraken.

Anyone care to elaborate?

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 24 2023 14:16 utc | 245

It takes two YouTube clips to give all the context. First up has Laurence Olivier deliver the line, the second clip shows the Kraken.

Btw, didn't Azov adopt sea themed (Neptune, god of the sea) emblems? So maybe that's their affection for the term.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Jan 24 2023 14:35 utc | 248

Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Jan 24 2023 10:41 utc | 230


It is past obvious that the Ukrainian proxy war is lost.

What is not so clear is how the post war adjudication will proceed.

With the loss in Ukraine the West is deprived of its power over the international judicial system. This will have serious consequences in both criminal and civil matters.

The war's criminals must be tried in a new court of international standing for their crimes.

On the civil side, the war's profiteers can sue each other to attempt to remain whole.

It has been a while since there has been a war so big that it changed the world's legal system.

Posted by: too scents | Jan 24 2023 14:44 utc | 249

The last time Germany sent tanks to the Ukraine it ended very badly. Russia sent tanks back to Berlin.
Same logic now. But Guderian is gone so is Manstein, Rommell, Rundstedt,. However the spirit of Rokossovsky is still there as also is Zukov, Vasilevsky, Antonov, Vatutin, etc. Do not annoy Shoigu or Gerasimov
When this is all over as all wars do peace will be so much harder if Germany hurts Russia and then wants cheap Oil, Gas etc. Germany has to grow up, independent, remove NATO and the US. Very soon.

Posted by: Boindub | Jan 24 2023 15:12 utc | 250


If you do not know what a kraken is,I 'd suggest you ask any child in your neighbourhood.My 4 and a half years old grandson knows.That's what watching cartoons brings on for ye.Zombies,monsters,pirates,kraken is filling their mindspace.It's awful and terrible to fill children's minds at an accellerated tempo of five images per second and disharmonious sounds accompanying these...

I think there was a Kraken in a Pirates of the Caribbean movie

Posted by: willie | Jan 24 2023 15:23 utc | 251

Ranelagh @ 247 and
Babel-17 @ 248
Sincere thanks you guys it was a gen question.

But I do see conections.
Who copied who i wonder, and when.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 24 2023 15:25 utc | 252

Willie @ 251
Thanks again for your straight reply.

Honestly though this Uqraine conflict and scale of the western bull shit, I hope everyone agrees, it's like waking up and finding your part of a Lord of the rings film. Jeez
Forget tanks.
Bring on the hobbits and Gandolph.
But thanks to Vladimir Putin for keeping us safe so far.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 24 2023 15:40 utc | 253

It is past obvious that the Ukrainian proxy war is lost.
Posted by: too scents | Jan 24 2023 14:44 utc | 249

"Biden administration is considering sending a significant number of Abrams tanks to Ukraine. The announcement could be made as early as this week - The Wall Street Journal"

That may be true or not, what's important is that nato won't stop as long as the puppets are alive. And puppets are perfectly fine, there's no war in Kiev, not even danger. While they're freely killing anyone they can, even in Russia. Remember the car boom near Moscow? No one cared, completely forgotten.
Ukr lost, in theory, since the first week, but in practice it'll take years, thanks to "slow is best" and "use 5 soldiers" strategy. Now we're at tanks, patriot and long range missiles charade. Next one will be (old stock) fighter jets charade

Posted by: rk | Jan 24 2023 15:55 utc | 254

I think there was a Kraken in a Pirates of the Caribbean movie

Posted by: willie | Jan 24 2023 15:23 utc | 251

When my oldest son was about 4 he asked his mother when he was going to get his superpowers? He was tired of waiting, that was the late 70's.
After spending two months with my 9 yr old grandchildren in 2021 the cartoon propaganda is much worse now.

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Jan 24 2023 15:58 utc | 255

The high-rolling regime rats of Kiev are abandoning their sinking ship in visible numbers. The weight of their extracted fortunes make them easy targets after the nearing fall of their immoral regime.

They, at least, are good bellwethers for that brutal regime's final end. I've no doubt they will have nowhere to escape justice. Good riddance to these jackals who killed tens of thousands of their own countrymen.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Jan 24 2023 16:07 utc | 256

LoL Miami Florida is going to get inundated with failed and fleeing Ukronazi leaders. They must be buying up property in the Sunny State like its hot cakes.


Posted by: Comandante | Jan 24 2023 16:11 utc | 257

Here's a rare truthful article on Ukraine, from Asia Times, All is not well for Ukraine.. .Western reports parroting Ukraine’s propaganda belied by Kiev’s urgent call for better weapons as indications grow it is losing the war

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 24 2023 16:12 utc | 258

We have to remember there are to separate conflicts here.
A battle in Uqraine which is a small part of a world war (undeclared)
The US and Uk as sole perpetrators for total world domination.
We only have to view Uqraine as a template to see how horrific the world would be ran on those lines (consider).
The fall of Uqraine thankfully is happening now.
I predict the western nato countrys will start scraping with one another.
The Uqraine style internal thuggery will manifest in our countrys and streets.
It won't be the good guys against the bad guys it will be the strong killing and robbing the weak.
Facism as we see in Uqraine on our door step.
No thanks.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 24 2023 16:14 utc | 259

In Izvestia, January 24, 2023:

"The Wall Street Journal: Joe Biden administration is leaning towards transferring large numbers of Abrams M1 tanks to Kyiv"

It's a long, one-way journey without guarantees. Probably a bad gamble at this point.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Jan 24 2023 16:36 utc | 260

A laundry list of dirty laundry from Kiev rumor mill.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jan 24 2023 16:37 utc | 261

Kraken is a brand of spiced rum and is very good, my favorite in fact. Kraken is also the name of the Seattle NHL team. And Kraken is also the name given to the giant squid sea monster; I have a T-shirt with one attacking a sailing ship of yore that's very similar to the label on the Kraken Rum bottle. Very nice artwork.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 24 2023 16:38 utc | 262

A car with hundreds of bodies of Ukrainian soldiers was found near the Hungarian border

A few hundred meters from the Hungarian border, in a carefully guarded and isolated part of the railway junction, a refrigerated wagon containing hundreds of bodies of Ukrainian soldiers was found.
According to the Hungarian newspaper Metropol, these soldiers died a few weeks ago, and some more than a month ago, and so far their bodies have not been handed over to relatives.

The article says that the Ukrainian authorities regulate when and at what speed to inform relatives about the death of a serviceman and distribute the allowed number of funerals per day, fearing panic due to the increasing number of casualties at the front.

Special refrigerated wagons for storing the bodies of the dead were received by Ukraine several years ago as foreign military aid. In addition, Kiev also has self-developed refrigerated trucks. According to the Hungarian newspaper, each such car can hold about 500 bodies. Every day, a maximum of four to five bodies are removed from the car for burial.


They're playing time here... but time isn't a constraint in this operation.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 24 2023 16:46 utc | 263

Thanks karlof1
Rum and giant octopuses
I now declare this topic closed before the trolls latch on to it.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 24 2023 16:48 utc | 264

@ Elmagnostic | Jan 24 2023 16:36 utc | 260
. . .leaning towards transferring large numbers of Abrams M1 tanks to Kyiv

No. . . .from NBC

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley have recommended against sending M1 Abrams tanks to Ukraine, the three U.S. officials said.
Milley and Austin have cited how long it takes to train personnel to operate the tanks and how difficult the tanks are to maintain. They also have argued they are not the right vehicles for the fight in Ukraine right now, according to the officials.
One U.S. official said Austin has argued the training to operate and maintain the tanks would take months, and even though the Ukrainians have proven adept at learning many new platforms, he continues to resist sending the Abrams. . .here

Posted by: Dond Bacon | Jan 24 2023 16:49 utc | 265

"Finland is ready to train Ukrainian soldiers and supply tanks to create a large tank unit in Europe for the needs of Ukraine" - Finnish President Niinisto.

Will they get to Ukr using the border with Russia?

Posted by: rk | Jan 24 2023 16:51 utc | 266

Posted by: Boindub | Jan 24 2023 15:12 utc | 250

Germany will not shake off Nato in the foreseeable future. Why not?

The Germans have been made into fat soft soy- boys with many post -war years of good-living off the sweat off the gasterbeiters , and “peripheral “ Europe in the last twenty years or so. Ergo, they are weak .

Germans have been made to feel emasculated with years of being deservedly blamed for WW II and Nazi excess , but it has gone on too long ,and lately been extended to all the wrong people ie Africa and Middle East (all of whom had no Nazi armies crush them ). Ergo ,they are weak.

The German Neo - Nazis were found to be “paper tigers “ ; only good enough to murder a few law - abiding family-men gasterbeiters and African asylum-seekers. They disappeared since the invasion of Mutti Merkel’s Children. No rapes were prevented by the Neo - Nazis, no “rapefugess” were punished for their rapes, murders and destruction of German property. Ergo, the Neo-Nazis were beer-drinking basement dwellers living with Mum ,or Gladio Stay Behind Nato operatives simply involved in a Strategy of Tension to keep Germans afraid. Ergo, the Germans are weak or coopted by the Yanks.

The German army and police force is heavily composed of Natoist idealistic basement -dwellers and descendants of Turks etc. None have stood up since the late 1980s and named the criminal elephants in the room: Kosovo Albanians , Albanians, “Ukrainians” ,Turks and other Middle Eastern types. Both have no impetus to rock the boat , and kick the Americans out of Germany. There are many East German descendants and /or Volksdeutsche (sic) from Russia, many patriotic and happy to kick out Americans, but they are not in enough numbers to have power in the army. Certainly few are in top positions ; which are vetted by the Americans.

Short of a German populist charismatic Anti -American leader , with army help or a spillover - war from outbreaks of war started against the Americans in Serbia,Hungary or Greece,Germany will remain supine to further American outrages.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Jan 24 2023 16:58 utc | 267

@ Paul Greenwood | Jan 24 2023 7:33 utc | 210

thanks for the overview on germany paul.. much appreciated..

@ Old Microbiologist | Jan 24 2023 10:41 utc | 230

thanks! great commentary from you... i agree with you strongly here - "Honestly, I don’t know what the US was thinking or if they even think at all." short term thinking is on full display as i see it.. if they thought this thru, we wouldn't be here seeing all this needless death and destruction.. i realize it serves the core corporations of the west - the military, banking and energy complexes, but it is extremely short sighted...

Posted by: james | Jan 24 2023 17:00 utc | 268

Certified pigcrap dished by western legacy Presstitutes.

The mass exodus of western companies from Russia due the G7 and EU sanctions “has been largely exaggerated.”

Source: ZH citing research by IMD Business School, Lausanne, Switzerland

Only 8.5 percent of all EU and G7 companies have actually left Russia, according to research from the University of St. Gallen and the IMD business school in Lausanne, Switzerland.

Before the outbreak of war, there were more than 2,400 company branches and 1,400 companies from the EU and G7 operating in Russia. By the end of November last year, only 120 companies had left Russia or sold their company there. 
The research indicates that the news of a mass exodus of Western firms from Russia has been largely exaggerated.

In fact, businesses have resisted calls from governments, media, and civil society, according to the Belgian daily newspaper Het Laatste Nieuws.
Companies remain skeptical and reluctant about leaving Russia over fears of losing their business and staff.

Those who have left ended up transferring assets into Russian hands, even for a single symbolic ruble or euro, as was the case with Renault and Nissan. 
According to Forbes, the biggest beneficiary was oligarch Wladimir Potanin, whose Interros company bought Rosbank from Societe Generale, making nearly 50 billion rubles (€667 million) in the process.

The second-biggest earner was Vladyslav Sviblov, whose Highland Gold Mining bought the assets of Canada’s Kinross corporation, which netted him almost 40 billion rubles.

Not far behind was Ivan Tirishkin from SPB, who bought 49.5 percent of the shares in HKF-Bank LLC, making over 35 billion rubles.[.] (Original emphasis)

NB: Those who have left ended up transferring assets into Russian hands, even for a single symbolic ruble or euro, as was the case with Renault and Nissan.

Explainer Sanctions Avoidance legal off ramp

Purpose of this Agreement herein: “Shareholders’ Nominee and Shareholders’ Interests”

The undersigned accepts and is appointed the Shareholders’ Nominee, in place and stead, for the symbolic sum of ONE RUBLE. The Shareholders’ Nominee shall at all times act with due care for and on behalf of the Shareholders’ interests. The aforesaid nominee status remains valid until such time hostilities end and/or abate whereupon at such date full principal ownership shall revert.

( AKA, One Ruble with a side agreement under seal is incorporated herein by unanimous vote at Board of Directors meeting x xx xx date and is duly recorded in the Minute Book.)

US-led NATO leaders are certifiable insane. Sanctions policies, Oil Price Cap regs without forethought.

Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 24 2023 17:02 utc | 269

Interesting the "Zelensky Regime" is spinning this week's purge as an anti-corruption measure. When we all know the entire top echelon of Ukraine is corrupt.

Clearly that is not what is really going on, as today's Andrew Korybko articles linked by: "the pessimist | Jan 24 2023 16:37 utc | 261" clearly state.

The split into various factions likely resembles a similar split in the USA, where State, DoD and CIA all have different agendas.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 24 2023 17:06 utc | 270

It's a pity. I hoped more companies would sell their Russian subsidiaries cheaply.

This would be good for Russian domestic industry as well

Posted by: Colin | Jan 24 2023 17:09 utc | 271

"Countries with 5000+ nuclear warheads cannot credibly claim to be threatened by countries with 0 nuclear warheads.

Maybe one of the PhD level commenters on MoA could explain the logic at work in believing that Russia is threatened by Ukraine?

Posted by: Muthaucker | Jan 24 2023 1:44 utc | 152"

Please explain the logic of the US being threatened by: Korea, Vietnam, Granada, Cuba, Iraq, Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran, etc, when the US is a nuclear armed power, with largest most advanced military the world has ever seen, and I'll use your same logic to explain how Ukraine threatens Russia!!

Posted by: Oldcutlas | Jan 24 2023 17:21 utc | 272

So now there's messages that USA is going to put their M1A tanks in Ukraine after all. If it's more than 100 tanks, that probably means they think the possibility of ukie lines in Donbass and Zaporizhe collapsing is real.

UAF is already holing up in Kramatorsk and Slavyansk, which is basically the last real urban agglomeration. Depending on how much more reserve forces left to commit, whatever they place in those towns, they might eventually become a "permanent garrison".

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 24 2023 17:24 utc | 273

@ HelenB | Jan 24 2023 7:44 utc | 212

It sounds like you are saying that successful development of China is a threat.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Jan 24 2023 17:25 utc | 274

Germany sends tanks after all:

Posted by: slothroptyrone | Jan 24 2023 18:10 utc | 275

William Gruff @233

Called him on the "earned" bit and he demurred "never made a dollar", kinda sidestepping as my referent was not dollars, per se, rather $hekels, doubly indicative of both the owners of the "Fed" and their individual connexions with Shekels. So it may be that he was not credited with dollars as such, but in another currency. Only other possibility is that he is a half-bright descendant of WWII Banderites, living in the U$$A or Canuckistan.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 24 2023 18:37 utc | 276

willie @251

"Get em while they are young, impressionable and malleable". The "Directors" of American kult-sure by means of Hollywood legerdemain are very focused on further deracinating and dumbing down the next generation...or should I say impositionally controlled degeneration. Watch kiddie cartoons for an hour or so and attempt to count the levels of "harmless" violence which are repetitively and operant psychologically driven into the heads so young and innocent.

To my way of looking at things, those minderbinders and their financiers should be tried for war-crimes against the human race and dispatched accordingly.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 24 2023 19:01 utc | 277

swissarmyman @255

Phenomologically, the term to describe it is "the Cartooniverse view of the Universe". And it is toxic.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 24 2023 19:04 utc | 278

Commandante @257

Perhaps the next time that a major hurricane is not headed for the pricy property parts of Florida's east coast; the HAARP system will NOT be able to redirect that powerful force away from Palm Beach to a couple days over the Bahamas in steady state and then making a 90 degree angle towards the Canuckistani maritimes.

Karma is a bitch and from time to time Mama Nature dons those raiments as well

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 24 2023 19:08 utc | 279


Bringing it all back home, baby. Two latest mass killings have been of their fellow California ethnics by Chinese men in their 70's...right in the middle of Chinese New Year celebrations. Both coasts appear to be falling into mass insanity psychoses. Appears that the Age of Pisces is going out with a bang...some of the fireworks being lethal...and from unanticipated directions. The ghettoes will not likely explode until those hot nights due to arrive in several months time...after them, some of the barrios.

Concluding with the ancient Chinese curse: "May you be born in interesting times".

We are here to witness.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 24 2023 19:14 utc | 280

William Gruff | Jan 24 2023 11:49 utc | 233

It is a waste of effort trying to educate Muttphauker. That troll is here to earn, not learn.

Wonderfully expressed !

The truth won't set you free but it is often beautiful.

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Jan 24 2023 19:30 utc | 281

Looks like it will be WW3 after all. Biden has decided that it will be better for the world and the USA to be incinerated rather than talk peace.
I hope the 1st nuclear strikes are DC and London England.
Biden sending hundreds of Abrams tanks and Lepoard 2 tanks from Germany plus F16 with NATO crews on all equipment. This will go Nuclear now.
Nuclear War with Russia means probably 100M dead Americans.

Posted by: jgalt | Jan 24 2023 20:36 utc | 282

@ #275: Germany sends tanks after all


With even that happening now, IMO it shows up more with every day passing all assumptions of Russia posessing the escalation dominance in this conflict were fundamentally wrong - missing the obvious fact of, in the first place, USUK driving this war from the very start. Instead, as I see it, Russia has been following the West's moves since the ready treaty of March 22 had been torpedoed by certain western politician.

So, it seems things are getting more and more »interesting« now, and possibly it won't take long to see whether Biden's and other people's asseverations of not wanting the last war were and are worth even one tenth of a penny, compared to those really ruling US & al like Straussians et al. Well, the jug goes to the well until it breaks.

Possibly, if Mr. Peskov didn't promise too much last week with regard to »Western tanks are all to be burning just like any other« - what do you barflies think are the chances with happening that and the Ukr. army really going down?

Posted by: Yogi | Jan 24 2023 20:46 utc | 283

rk | Jan 24 2023 15:55 utc | 254
Biden administration is considering sending a significant number of Abrams tanks to Ukraine. The announcement could be made as early as this week - The Wall Street Journal"
If that happens. Further confirmation State is running this war.
Every military guy has explained exactly why Abrams are not the tool of choice …and will fail spectacularly in Ukraine in 2023.

I really want them to send Abrams. I wanna watch as they fail spectacularly in Ukraine in 2023.
I wanna laugh as Julian Ropche and the NAFO fellas and McFaul and Michael Kofman have a collection mental meltdown.

slothroptyrone | Jan 24 2023 18:10 utc | 275
Germany sends tanks after all
Of course. @bar predicted this. We even ran a sweepstakes on it.

aristodemos | Jan 24 2023 19:04 utc | 278
Phenomologically, the term to describe it is "the Cartooniverse view of the Universe". And it is toxic.
Now. *That’s* a pearl. A gem. There’s a PhD waiting to be written answering the question why “release the Kraken” gives Mark2 “right wing/trumping” vibes.
Karlof1 got us started. It’s a mythical sea creature. Japanese. Japanese introduces anime. Anime introduces gamers and ComicCon and the cartooniverse of anyone under 30. (Cartoons always existed, but the toxicity.. escalated and under 30s were fully immersed.)
“Trump’s base” were never an incoherent disparate non-coalition of clusters.
Bannon was a genius for tapping into the collective unconscious of the anime-loving socially isolated disaffected, while also corralling the almost polar opposite, but similarly disaffected working Americans. HRC team had no clue there was 80 million of these, who she instinctively viewed as “deplorable”.
After losing in 2015 the DNC and “left” sociologists went hunting for “Trumps base”. The could not accept 80million Americans were dissatisfied with the Obama-isation of America.
Because Trump’s “base” is not actually a coherent group… all they could find were the red hats… and anime. So that’s what they attacked. People who’d bought a hat… and males who used anime to describe their world.
A real world increasingly half lived in a fantasy of gaming.

I’ll stop here, as I’m not going to write a PhD.
But Mark. That’s a brief answer as to why you subconsciously get “right wing” vibes from the anime Kraken character.

aristodemos | Jan 24 2023 19:14 utc | 280
Two comments. Two pearls.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 24 2023 20:52 utc | 284

@ #282: Looks like it will be WW3 after all. Biden has decided that it will be better for the world and the USA to be incinerated rather than talk peace.
I hope the 1st nuclear strikes are DC and London England....


Don't be that scared, TV is full of supa-dupa hyper-nice advertising films with seeminly all the world's people glad, smiling and cheering - the above mentioned cannot happen at all. One just has to tip the right knob on the remote control (according to the neocons, at least) ;-).

But now in earnest, concerning the site linked above: Is there a version in latin letters?


Posted by: Yogi | Jan 24 2023 21:03 utc | 285

old microbiologist@230 24/23/10:41

it's a privilege & a pleasure whenever you post. thank you. my feelings exactly re: the timeline of russia's preparation. like melaleuca i disagree with your supposition about china. that we shall all wait to see. unfold though it surely will. cheers to you & yours. peace.

Posted by: emersonreturn | Jan 24 2023 21:09 utc | 286

Melaleuce @ 284
Thanks for that detailed and considered reply to my question regarding 'kraken appreciated.
But it still dosent ease my fear.
UK and US right now are both descending into dystopia.
A powder keg of chaos and anarchy varied at present in Uqraine.
My view ? It's to late.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 24 2023 21:19 utc | 287

Wonder if the M1’s are the a1 variant that the USMC dumped, there’s over 400 after all. It seems more and more obvious that NATO is preparing for the next phase of the war, which is limiting Russia’s advances. In fact one could argue that 300 Western tanks is just a cynical move designed to end the war quickly by encouraging the Russians to launch their own offensive before the multi-cultural armoured circus arrives.

Posted by: Milites | Jan 24 2023 22:12 utc | 288

I wonder if any of the M1, Leopard or Challenger tanks will actually make it past the Dniepr. Assuming that Ukraine is no longer able to transport tanks long distance by train, and assuming that the tanks nevertheless will have to be hauled instead of driving on their own, are there still enough heavy-duty trucks around? I mean 5 or 10 of those trucks to form a convoy, to equip some company at once instead of with 1 tank per week? I doubt it.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Jan 24 2023 22:43 utc | 289

Boindub @250

Germany has to grow up, independent, remove NATO and the US. Very soon.

Thanks for the encouragement! What you propose is overdue. Unter Mrs. Merkel, there was no chance of any such policy. Now we have Baerbock, Habeck, Friedrich Merz (CDU, former chief of the German section of Blackrock) in the Bundestag, all of them extreme atlanticists. You would need somebody like Sarah Wagenknecht (die Linke), who is very popular in Germany, but completely lacks any power instinct that would be necessary for her to play a role.

Besides, if anybody came forward to implement your proposal - the US would not just make a racket about it - they would regime-change us, invade us if necessary - after they have already destroyed our pipelines. This war is not only against Russia, it is also against Germany. Scholz is well advised to hold on to those Leopards.

Posted by: grunzt | Jan 24 2023 22:55 utc | 290

CharlesLutherThanos | Jan 24 2023 22:52 utc | 175
Ritter: “goes on to state that Russian military doctrine does not permit first use of nuclear weapons.”.
That is no longer correct. Since the sloSMO, Russia has “refined” or nuanced its nuclear strike doctrine.
If Russia perceives it is facing an existential threat… it will fire first.
I think the U$ nuclear doctrine assumed they would always have escalation dominance because Russia said it would not go nuclear first.
That’s no longer the case.
At what point in the USNATO escalation does Russia determine they are at the nuclear threshold and decide to “hit back first”?
The sloSMO shocked me… I’d been watching Russia so long, watching it do nothing and dismiss provocative actions by the west as “provocations”.
Lavrov and Putin spent the tail end of 2021 delivering ultimatum. They were predictably ignore.
The Crazies in the Basement still haven’t switched to realising Russia is not “bluffing”.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 25 2023 0:03 utc | 291

Yogi | Jan 24 2023 20:46 utc | 283
“……all assumptions of Russia posessing the escalation dominance in this conflict were fundamentally wrong “
Nope. Sure. USNATO keep escalating.
Because they are losing. Every escalation is met. And surpassed.
>…What does the bar think about the tanks.
Barflies have listened to Macgregor and Berletic.
The Abrams tank is the absolute worst option for Ukraine.
Find Macgregor on YouTube. He’s everywhere right now.
Berletic is New Atlas
Also: The Trouble with Western Tanks in Ukraine
The biggest fear “America” has is that the Russians will laugh at them
The Russians are busy not interrupting their enemy while he’s making … not a mere “mistake”, but a monumental mindmelting miscalculation.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 25 2023 0:24 utc | 292

@292 "What does the bar think about the tanks."

I think tanks are pretty much obsolete on today's battlefield but the West has to look tough. I also think they'll find excuse to delay delivery.

It will be interesting to see how the 14 British Challengers perform without air cover.

Posted by: dh | Jan 25 2023 0:49 utc | 293

Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 23 2023 17:02 utc | 5
Three weeks into Q1 2023, the unusually warm winter is begining to feel like August. August 1939...Breakdown of diplomacy, war the extension of.

Poland 1939 = Ukraine 2022

Dying British Empire 1939 = Dying US Empire 2022

Posted by: ReinhardVonSiegfried | Jan 25 2023 1:31 utc | 294

Here is aggregator site that I found for news on this war. It covers a lot of the topics that telegram does but without the need to install any new software on your comp or phone.

Posted by: T.D. | Jan 25 2023 4:52 utc | 295

A good news day in the former NAZI run port city of Mariupol. Where during the occupation from 2014. The total evil to the core the Nazi occupiers> Behaved in a manner. One cannot describe in words.
Is making a full recovery towards a normal life. Major recovery an reconstruction works are still underway. Including the refurbishment of the older original Soviet post WW2 buildings.

Russia Today is running a photo montage from liberation day up to January 2023.

One the first changes was the complete removal of all country 404 vissible signs written a bastard orphan language.

The last picture shows a mobile food vendor. The slogan painted on the side sums up the natives' true feelings.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jan 25 2023 5:18 utc | 296

Malaleuka - and others

My thinking on China stems from them building such an inordinately large navy. Taiwan is very close to China and it is far easier to take it politically than militarily. The people have already indicated their desire to return to China as evidenced in their last election. I believe it will return peacefully or at worst using a blockade.

That leaves the question of why build a 600-ship Navy with 3 or more (arguably inferior) aircraft carriers? This is a setup to be used for force projection and their only actual enemy is the US and its puppets Japan and South Korea. The latter also has indicated a desire to re-unite by the people (not the elected leadership). Japan is a bizarre place now allowing the US to deploy nuclear weapons while defying the NATOstan about immigration (they allow nearly zero immigrants). This implies China knows the US fleet will be out of action leaving them the freedom to maneuver but to where?

The real targets of the Ukraine gambit are the EU and Russia is just a secondary mission. The US has made the determination that Russia won't go past Ukraine no matter what is done to them and I think this is actually correct. I hope not, but the Russian people believe the war is just if it protects ethnic Russians but taking on all of NATO and the US would be beyond their acceptability and Russia isn't mounting a PSYOP campaign to support that. The main target is China. The reason for trying to reduce the EU to a tourist destination and China back to feudalism is economic and both are threats to US planetary fiscal dominance. In reality the US is bankrupt and it is a house of cards. If enough countries defy the US and turn away from dollars it all collapses. This is the real reason for American Foreign policy. It is designed similarly to a Ponzi scheme where everyone else props up the dollar and the US can print as much as it wants without limit as we have seen. As in all Ponzi schemes, there is an upper limit and the US has already gone past it yet still prints money ad infinitum.

This leaves the 85% of the planet who accurately view the US as a neo-colonialistic country out to conquer and pillage everything they can all under a flimsy guise of bringing freedom but it just another type of feudalism. So, what to do about it? In a sense, the US is led by a pack of rabid ideologues and like all rabid animals they must be killed. The American people have been subjugated to decades of mass propaganda and can't see the truth when it stares them in the face. The US also has built up a large (arguably bad) military but also poses a serious threat to countries not equally armed hence why so many US actions against minor countries. Ukraine is the first peer-to-peer confrontation since WWII. US weapons have issues but in general, they do the job. The military itself is questionable but is well-trained enough. They haven't a clue how to fight a peer war on another continent without air superiority. This provides an opportunity but leaves the US homeland intact to lick their wounds and try again. The American people themselves (except the 1% who have actually fought in wars and understand the truth) have never experienced war at home and the devastation American adventures cause. I believe most of the world would like to educate them on this but at this point only China has the resources to do it but only if the US military is taken off the board. It is a low probability but possible and needs to happen at some point. Re-educating Americans is going to be harder than re-educating Banderists.

Will it happen? I personally doubt it. My current thinking is the current leadership in Ukraine are going to bolt soon and leave the country high and dry wondering what happened. I see the pieces falling into place. NATOstan will be left wondering what the truth is and will be baffled the narrative spun was actually the opposite. This will be a Blinding Flash of Reality.

That said Russia is prepared for the worst and can go the distance should the US try and keep this going.

I had a brain fart on the Russian submarines. It is easy enough to look up and I believe I first read it on Martynov's page but have seen it all elsewhere. The Kilo class and others as well can fire Kalibr missiles which can carry nuclear weapons and are fired from torpedo tubes on any submarine. These same tubes can launch the Zircon hypersonic missiles. I said it was Kinzhal and I was wrong. What can I say? I am getting old. However, the Kinzhals can be fired from SLBM capable submarines but those now have the Avangard hypersonic re-entry vehicles on them so unnecessary. There were rumors of Sarmats/Kaibrs on commercial cargo containers as well and maybe some are already on US soil sitting in dockyards. Anything is possible. Russia has enough to do serious harm to the US and it can all be done without using nuclear weapons. But, I sincerely doubt it will come to that although I also believe Russia is prepared to launch a full-on no-stops attack if provoked. They read the same idiotic white papers the Americans do.

Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Jan 25 2023 5:58 utc | 297

It's not that Bannon united the two, 4chan and other places have been very right-wing for a long time.

Currently, Japanese anime itself is very nationalistic and right-wing dominated.

Bannon exaggerates his own personal influence, although Trump does the same.

Posted by: Colin | Jan 25 2023 12:10 utc | 298

German FM confirmed being at war with Russia.

Posted by: fyi | Jan 25 2023 15:00 utc | 299

“And therefore I’ve said already in the last days – yes, we have to do more to defend Ukraine. Yes, we have to do more also on tanks,” Baerbock said during a debate at the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) on Tuesday. “But the most important and the crucial part is that we do it together and that we do not do the blame game in Europe, because we are fighting a war against Russia and not against each other.”

It is simply a gradual reveal.

Posted by: jared | Jan 25 2023 16:49 utc | 300

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