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January 23, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-21
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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@ 194 Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 24 2023 5:15 utc | 201
Posted by: Down South | Jan 24 2023 5:15 utc | 202 Posted by: the pessimist | Jan 23 2023 21:14 utc | 69 Posted by: Brother Ma | Jan 24 2023 5:15 utc | 203
Posted by: Down South | Jan 24 2023 5:16 utc | 204 After Brexit, USexit. The 85% need to kick the US in the short & curlies. Could BoJo be the man to do it? The US needs to exit itself, is MAGAman the man to divide and rule it? Posted by: Giyane | Jan 24 2023 5:17 utc | 205
Posted by: Down South | Jan 24 2023 5:17 utc | 206 Giyane @ 104 Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 24 2023 5:55 utc | 207 Interesting news day. Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jan 24 2023 6:14 utc | 208 @ karlof1 | Jan 23 2023 19:35 utc | 34 Posted by: John Kennard | Jan 24 2023 7:05 utc | 209 [96]. What are and the Green Jackets . ???????? Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 24 2023 7:33 utc | 210 [99] Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 24 2023 7:35 utc | 211 @103 pipedream Posted by: HelenB | Jan 24 2023 7:44 utc | 212 Posted by: HelenB | Jan 24 2023 7:44 utc | 212 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jan 24 2023 7:54 utc | 213 @ Phariah | Jan 23 2023 20:40 utc | 61 Posted by: John Kennard | Jan 24 2023 7:54 utc | 214 Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 24 2023 5:08 utc | 196 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jan 24 2023 7:57 utc | 215
The question is very important and I have already written here about Postdam Agreement. The terms were not only disarmament, demilitarisation and occupation but a full denazification
Posted by: Weimar | Jan 24 2023 8:04 utc | 216 Paul Greenwood | Jan 24 2023 7:33 utc | 210 Posted by: Hausmeister | Jan 24 2023 8:05 utc | 217
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/30376 Posted by: Down South | Jan 24 2023 8:17 utc | 218
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/30378 Posted by: Down South | Jan 24 2023 8:21 utc | 219 @ Opport Knocks | Jan 23 2023 23:33 utc | 122 Posted by: John Kennard | Jan 24 2023 8:28 utc | 220 “adults who disagree whilst respecting another debater” Posted by: Colin | Jan 24 2023 8:32 utc | 221
Posted by: Down South | Jan 24 2023 8:41 utc | 222 I also think Biden is being blackmailed, but not for sending troops to Ukraine, but to prevent him from starting the WWIII. Biden has a very personal stake in Ukraine, and it is going up in smoke. Posted by: Old Brown Fool | Jan 24 2023 8:51 utc | 223 The most interesting thing about Lavrov’s visit to South Africa was not the swill that the NATO journalists (including the South African-born ones) spouted at the press conferences. The most interesting thing was that the South African Minister for International Relations and Cooperation (foreign affairs, that is) rolled back her earlier tentative support for NATO in Ukraine and flatly said that calling on Russia to withdraw from Ukraine was “infantile” because of the conditions there, particularly the way that NATO was flooding Ukraine with weapons. This caused a lot of South African journalists’ heads to explode (luckily they don’t need them to copy out their press releases). This is particularly interesting in the light of the pro-NATO stance of our current President, who is, however, extremely weak. Posted by: MFB | Jan 24 2023 8:56 utc | 224 Someone should tell Estonia, if they try to start a war by trying to blockade international waters with mines or whatever means, it’s on them. Posted by: rk | Jan 24 2023 9:01 utc | 225
I too think that is where this is headed in the playbook of the Straussian Neocons in the USA. Hence the strategy of getting Russia to deplete its stockpile of weapons, manpower and morale against Ukraine. Pure madness and evil. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 24 2023 9:28 utc | 226 ”Biden has a very personal stake in Ukraine, and it is going up in smoke.” Thierry Meyssan’s latest on the Voltaire Network…
https://www.voltairenet.org/article218706.html Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 24 2023 10:15 utc | 228 @Melaleuca, §173 Posted by: John Marks | Jan 24 2023 10:24 utc | 229 Re Hungary – Yes, there are areas that are economically suppressed especially up around Miskolc. It has a very high percentage of Roma who refuse to work or go to school. Much has been done in Hungary, some of it exceptional meaning normal Hungarians can’t get it like free houses, etc., and their plight remains the same. It is very much like the inner-city black poor in many American cities like Baltimore or Philadelphia (or DC for that matter). Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Jan 24 2023 10:41 utc | 230 Falling asleep last night listening to some reports , the Duran chaps wondered why the U.K. media was still persisting with its Narratives? Posted by: DunGroanin | Jan 24 2023 10:46 utc | 231 Ukraine Deputy Minister of Development of communities and Territories Vyacheslav Nehoda resigned Posted by: unimperator | Jan 24 2023 10:50 utc | 232 It is a waste of effort trying to educate Muttphauker. That troll is here to earn, not learn. Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 24 2023 11:49 utc | 233
Posted by: Down South | Jan 24 2023 11:56 utc | 234 With everything Arestovich sayed the days past his resignation, i can not help but think about Goebels resigning after D-Day/battle of Kursk and going daily on the radio and telling people but more important, the soilders that its over. Posted by: El Lissitzky | Jan 24 2023 11:58 utc | 235 William Gruff @ 233 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 24 2023 12:00 utc | 236 Thanks to b for linking on his Twitter account to another delightful Tweet exchange, this time over Bakhmut. (Here we have a thread with the original post, a reply, a reply to that reply which I’ve posted, and then a counter reply. I’m not sure what to make of this.) Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jan 24 2023 12:02 utc | 237 AFU militants wiped by “Hail” (Grad) near Avdeevka Posted by: unimperator | Jan 24 2023 12:03 utc | 238 Abe | Jan 23 2023 22:38 utc | 108
Aren’t the Baltic states already dying? Look at the demographics and the decline in their economies. Russia wasn’t the only country to be invaded by the financial predators in the 1990s. The Baltic States then compounded their problems by joining the EU. Posted by: cirsium | Jan 24 2023 12:45 utc | 239 “Honestly, I don’t know what the US was thinking or if they even think at all. This debacle never had a chance in Hell in the first place.” Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 24 2023 12:47 utc | 240 Old Microbiologist | Jan 24 2023 10:41 utc | 230 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 24 2023 13:43 utc | 241 Old Microbiologist | Jan 24 2023 10:41 utc | 230 Posted by: paddy | Jan 24 2023 13:54 utc | 242 https://t.me/chub_detection/7118 Posted by: Arioch | Jan 24 2023 13:59 utc | 243 We see that recently in Ukraine there is some resistance to forced conscription. Posted by: Solgar | Jan 24 2023 14:14 utc | 244 Antioch @ 243 Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 24 2023 14:16 utc | 245
Posted by: Down South | Jan 24 2023 14:19 utc | 246 @ Mark2 | Jan 24 2023 14:16 utc | 245 Posted by: Ranelagh | Jan 24 2023 14:34 utc | 247 I was to embaresed to ask then but… Posted by: Babel-17 | Jan 24 2023 14:35 utc | 248 Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Jan 24 2023 10:41 utc | 230 Posted by: too scents | Jan 24 2023 14:44 utc | 249 The last time Germany sent tanks to the Ukraine it ended very badly. Russia sent tanks back to Berlin. Posted by: Boindub | Jan 24 2023 15:12 utc | 250 Mark2 Posted by: willie | Jan 24 2023 15:23 utc | 251 Ranelagh @ 247 and Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 24 2023 15:25 utc | 252 Willie @ 251 Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 24 2023 15:40 utc | 253 It is past obvious that the Ukrainian proxy war is lost. Posted by: rk | Jan 24 2023 15:55 utc | 254 I think there was a Kraken in a Pirates of the Caribbean movie Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Jan 24 2023 15:58 utc | 255 The high-rolling regime rats of Kiev are abandoning their sinking ship in visible numbers. The weight of their extracted fortunes make them easy targets after the nearing fall of their immoral regime. Posted by: Elmagnostic | Jan 24 2023 16:07 utc | 256 LoL Miami Florida is going to get inundated with failed and fleeing Ukronazi leaders. They must be buying up property in the Sunny State like its hot cakes. Posted by: Comandante | Jan 24 2023 16:11 utc | 257 Here’s a rare truthful article on Ukraine, from Asia Times, All is not well for Ukraine.. .Western reports parroting Ukraine’s propaganda belied by Kiev’s urgent call for better weapons as indications grow it is losing the war Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 24 2023 16:12 utc | 258 We have to remember there are to separate conflicts here. Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 24 2023 16:14 utc | 259 In Izvestia, January 24, 2023: Posted by: Elmagnostic | Jan 24 2023 16:36 utc | 260 A laundry list of dirty laundry from Kiev rumor mill. Posted by: the pessimist | Jan 24 2023 16:37 utc | 261 Kraken is a brand of spiced rum and is very good, my favorite in fact. Kraken is also the name of the Seattle NHL team. And Kraken is also the name given to the giant squid sea monster; I have a T-shirt with one attacking a sailing ship of yore that’s very similar to the label on the Kraken Rum bottle. Very nice artwork. A car with hundreds of bodies of Ukrainian soldiers was found near the Hungarian border Posted by: unimperator | Jan 24 2023 16:46 utc | 263 Thanks karlof1 Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 24 2023 16:48 utc | 264 @ Elmagnostic | Jan 24 2023 16:36 utc | 260
Posted by: Dond Bacon | Jan 24 2023 16:49 utc | 265 “Finland is ready to train Ukrainian soldiers and supply tanks to create a large tank unit in Europe for the needs of Ukraine” – Finnish President Niinisto. Posted by: rk | Jan 24 2023 16:51 utc | 266 Posted by: Boindub | Jan 24 2023 15:12 utc | 250 Posted by: Brother Ma | Jan 24 2023 16:58 utc | 267 @ Paul Greenwood | Jan 24 2023 7:33 utc | 210 Posted by: james | Jan 24 2023 17:00 utc | 268 Certified pigcrap dished by western legacy Presstitutes.
NB: Those who have left ended up transferring assets into Russian hands, even for a single symbolic ruble or euro, as was the case with Renault and Nissan. Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 24 2023 17:02 utc | 269 Interesting the “Zelensky Regime” is spinning this week’s purge as an anti-corruption measure. When we all know the entire top echelon of Ukraine is corrupt. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 24 2023 17:06 utc | 270 It’s a pity. I hoped more companies would sell their Russian subsidiaries cheaply. Posted by: Colin | Jan 24 2023 17:09 utc | 271 “Countries with 5000+ nuclear warheads cannot credibly claim to be threatened by countries with 0 nuclear warheads. Posted by: Oldcutlas | Jan 24 2023 17:21 utc | 272 So now there’s messages that USA is going to put their M1A tanks in Ukraine after all. If it’s more than 100 tanks, that probably means they think the possibility of ukie lines in Donbass and Zaporizhe collapsing is real. Posted by: unimperator | Jan 24 2023 17:24 utc | 273 @ HelenB | Jan 24 2023 7:44 utc | 212 Posted by: Figleaf23 | Jan 24 2023 17:25 utc | 274 William Gruff @233 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 24 2023 18:37 utc | 276 willie @251 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 24 2023 19:01 utc | 277 swissarmyman @255 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 24 2023 19:04 utc | 278 Commandante @257 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 24 2023 19:08 utc | 279 MarkII@259 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 24 2023 19:14 utc | 280 William Gruff | Jan 24 2023 11:49 utc | 233
Wonderfully expressed ! Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Jan 24 2023 19:30 utc | 281 Looks like it will be WW3 after all. Biden has decided that it will be better for the world and the USA to be incinerated rather than talk peace. Posted by: jgalt | Jan 24 2023 20:36 utc | 282 @ #275: Germany sends tanks after all Posted by: Yogi | Jan 24 2023 20:46 utc | 283 rk | Jan 24 2023 15:55 utc | 254 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 24 2023 20:52 utc | 284 @ #282: Looks like it will be WW3 after all. Biden has decided that it will be better for the world and the USA to be incinerated rather than talk peace. Posted by: Yogi | Jan 24 2023 21:03 utc | 285 old microbiologist@230 24/23/10:41 Posted by: emersonreturn | Jan 24 2023 21:09 utc | 286 Melaleuce @ 284 Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 24 2023 21:19 utc | 287 Wonder if the M1’s are the a1 variant that the USMC dumped, there’s over 400 after all. It seems more and more obvious that NATO is preparing for the next phase of the war, which is limiting Russia’s advances. In fact one could argue that 300 Western tanks is just a cynical move designed to end the war quickly by encouraging the Russians to launch their own offensive before the multi-cultural armoured circus arrives. Posted by: Milites | Jan 24 2023 22:12 utc | 288 I wonder if any of the M1, Leopard or Challenger tanks will actually make it past the Dniepr. Assuming that Ukraine is no longer able to transport tanks long distance by train, and assuming that the tanks nevertheless will have to be hauled instead of driving on their own, are there still enough heavy-duty trucks around? I mean 5 or 10 of those trucks to form a convoy, to equip some company at once instead of with 1 tank per week? I doubt it. Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Jan 24 2023 22:43 utc | 289 Boindub @250
Thanks for the encouragement! What you propose is overdue. Unter Mrs. Merkel, there was no chance of any such policy. Now we have Baerbock, Habeck, Friedrich Merz (CDU, former chief of the German section of Blackrock) in the Bundestag, all of them extreme atlanticists. You would need somebody like Sarah Wagenknecht (die Linke), who is very popular in Germany, but completely lacks any power instinct that would be necessary for her to play a role. Posted by: grunzt | Jan 24 2023 22:55 utc | 290 CharlesLutherThanos | Jan 24 2023 22:52 utc | 175 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 25 2023 0:03 utc | 291 Yogi | Jan 24 2023 20:46 utc | 283 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 25 2023 0:24 utc | 292 @292 “What does the bar think about the tanks.” Posted by: dh | Jan 25 2023 0:49 utc | 293
Poland 1939 = Ukraine 2022 Posted by: ReinhardVonSiegfried | Jan 25 2023 1:31 utc | 294 Here is aggregator site that I found for news on this war. It covers a lot of the topics that telegram does but without the need to install any new software on your comp or phone. Posted by: T.D. | Jan 25 2023 4:52 utc | 295 A good news day in the former NAZI run port city of Mariupol. Where during the occupation from 2014. The total evil to the core the Nazi occupiers> Behaved in a manner. One cannot describe in words. Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jan 25 2023 5:18 utc | 296 Malaleuka – and others Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Jan 25 2023 5:58 utc | 297 It’s not that Bannon united the two, 4chan and other places have been very right-wing for a long time. Posted by: Colin | Jan 25 2023 12:10 utc | 298 “And therefore I’ve said already in the last days – yes, we have to do more to defend Ukraine. Yes, we have to do more also on tanks,” Baerbock said during a debate at the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) on Tuesday. “But the most important and the crucial part is that we do it together and that we do not do the blame game in Europe, because we are fighting a war against Russia and not against each other.” Posted by: jared | Jan 25 2023 16:49 utc | 300 |
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