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January 22, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-20
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Whatever happened with the Zaporozhye NPP? That was a really big deal for a while. Now totally off the radar, war seems as cursory as normal life, I figured more follow through, from both sides, when survival was at stake. Anyone have any info on the NPP?
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 22 2023 21:30 utc | 101
Passerby | Jan 22 2023 20:55 utc | 84
A t-34 sitting on a podium in Berlin keeps baldy in the real world. Russia was supposed to collapse due to the sanctions from hell boomerang. The boomerang missed and returned to the throwers. They now know they have lost. I guess baldy knows that the next tank sitting on a podium in Berlin will likely be an Amarta.
Fucking idiots. Thought they were greater than Napoleon and Hitler. Now they require numerous undy changes. And again fucking idiots – same as Ukrainians first thinking killing ethnic Russians and putting up memorials to nazis was great. Now we see them dragged kicking and screaming to the frontlines to be killed in the Russian grinder. Europe blindly repeating the words “democracy” and “human rights” is now as fucked as a seventy eight year old prostitute.
1945-2023 RIP.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 22 2023 21:31 utc | 102
Massive cesspool of a thread (almost 2000 pages), but it’s packed chock full of very slanted analysis, echo chamber dynamics, and groupthink. It might be useful for someone’s dissertation or something: https://community.battlefront.com/topic/140931-how-hot-is-ukraine-gonna-get/page/1951/#comments
A Serbian friend of mine vows never to touch that thread…
Posted by: liveload | Jan 22 2023 21:33 utc | 103
All I can foresee, if the Russians are sensible, is limited trade, with payment in advance in rubles, gold (the real thing, not paper), or yuan.
Posted by: malenkov | Jan 22 2023 19:48 utc | 73
Let’s all be realistic, “real” gold will never again be used as a common means of direct payment. The costs of completing a secure transaction are too high and the speed too slow.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 22 2023 21:33 utc | 104
@ Posted by: Weimar | Jan 22 2023 21:23 utc | 99
It is a given in Country 404. The functional battlefield life of any AFU armored combat vehicle is not exceeding more than 30 minutes all along the Donbas contact line. Does one really need spare parts for all those western donor vehicle wrecks dotting the countryside in country 404?
Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jan 22 2023 21:34 utc | 105
@84 Or is it because tanks are flammable and Russia has some potent anti-tank weapons?
Posted by: dh | Jan 22 2023 21:35 utc | 106
agree that would be a plan to get more money out of Europe and destroy their ability to make their own military hardware… but who is going to manufacture the new US made hardware? .
Posted by: dp | Jan 22 2023 20:35 utc | 81
Easy! German Industry !
Under US Licence and with US expensive LNG. All profit back to Homeland (as Ford in 1939-45).
Ursula will provide a few hundred €billions ( lease to BlackRock).
Circular economy is our green future.
Posted by: Weimar | Jan 22 2023 21:37 utc | 107
The offensive on the Zaporozhye front (https://t.me/RVvoenkor/36600): artillery clears the way for the armored group and infantry
▪️ In a number of areas, the advance has slowed down, positional battles are underway. To minimize losses, our gunners cover the infantry with powerful fire, all types of howitzers, cannons and MLRS work.
▪️On the video of our comrades, a building turned into a fortified firing point is being destroyed. Scouts using quadrocopters identify enemy resistance nodes and adjust artillery and aviation fire.
▪️ Counter-battery warfare is also being actively conducted. They are firing at the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, from where they fired at the advancing assault groups. The Marines and infantry thank the gunners for suppressing enemy MLRS and howitzers that hindered the offensive.
https://t.me/azmilitary11/34481
Posted by: unimperator | Jan 22 2023 21:50 utc | 108
@ grunzt | Jan 22 2023 21:17 utc | 95
in response to your last paragraph, this is how it works…
The Propaganda Multiplier
Posted by: james | Jan 22 2023 21:55 utc | 109
Let’s all be realistic, “real” gold will never again be used as a common means of direct payment. The costs of completing a secure transaction are too high and the speed too slow.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 22 2023 21:33 utc | 104
Gold is a non perishable low volume commodity that can be used to balance trade which uses currencies. Gold is likely to increase greatly in value as the empire and its petrodollar credit card collapses. Petrodollar is just a blip in gold currency history.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 22 2023 22:02 utc | 110
@ Posted by: liveload | Jan 22 2023 21:33 utc | 103
That is a full year thread, so 2000 pages is not outrageous.
At 25 posts per page, that is 50,000 post or 137 per day. MoA does better.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 22 2023 22:04 utc | 111
Re 110.
Economic power is/has moved to the east. The east values gold. Asia, India – gold. Gold jewelry gold bars, gold whatever, gold is currency that lasts.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 22 2023 22:06 utc | 112
Nazis turn factories in Zaporozhye into military bunkers
“The Kiev regime realizes that the city of Zaporizhzhya will be liberated, so they are preparing the city for street battles.” “They are now turning large factories into bunkers and defensive strongholds,” said Rogov, a member of the Zaporizhzhya administration.
The enterprises in question are Zaporizhstal and Zaporizhkoks, owned by Ukrainian oligarch Renat Akhmetov, MotorSich, Zaporizhtransformator, Iskra, the Radiopribor enterprise, and Plant 77.
The Ukrainian Armed Forces are trying to use large factories in Zaporizhzhya and repeat the scenario of Mariupol’s Azovstal. https://t.me/Slavyangrad/30188
I have a really strong feeling that Russia is not going to allow a repeat of Azovstal anywhere from now on, I think that caught them off guard as did a lot of things in the original SMO. Whatever Russia is up to at the moment it is clearly not tentative and they are not going to lose men and momentum clearing out one Azovstal after another. MoD would be seriously negligent to not have clear, expedient plans for future Azovstals. Ukrainian troops fortifying in industrial zones are going to get relentlessly MOABed straight to hell, I fear even with civilians there. Bad idea all around, dead end to Hell, can they be that stupid?
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 22 2023 22:17 utc | 113
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 22 2023 22:17 utc | 113
I’d think that the Zap city itself isn’t main prize and can be screened and isolated by destroying bridges over Dneper. It could be MOAB’d at a later time when convenient and more important objectives achieved. But who knows.
Posted by: unimperator | Jan 22 2023 22:35 utc | 114
@ unimperator #6
I want that TASS story to be true (2 AFU special op soldiers surrendering) but it doesn’t look like a winter scene, even for the southern part of Ukieland. It looks like a late summer/early fall video. Maybe TASS didn’t actually have a vid of today’s event but wanted a video and pulled this one out to use. It wouldn’t be the first time that ‘stock” video was used by news sources. Still, it sort of undermines the “trust’ factor if they are putting out a story in mid-winter in temperate regions that do have cold winters showing deciduous woody veg with leaves. Unless its some sort of non-needle leaf woody veg that keeps leaves green during the winter and then sheds them in the spring with new growth.
Posted by: DakotaRog | Jan 22 2023 22:40 utc | 115
@ chunga | Jan 22 2023 20:29 utc | 80
Rubles only.
Posted by: John Kennard | Jan 22 2023 22:40 utc | 116
@ Posted by: liveload | Jan 22 2023 21:33 utc | 103
Delusional, but good to see how the other side thinks. Not encouraging for the prospects of peace, but at the end of the day, there really aren’t that many people who think like this in the US, at least.
Posted by: R3DP1LL3R | Jan 22 2023 22:57 utc | 118
Posted by: james | Jan 22 2023 21:55 utc | 109
Thanks! Good read.
To add: media control by the military or intelligence always intensifies when there are active crises.
Posted by: alek_a | Jan 22 2023 23:00 utc | 119
@Lightyears #114
They would love every fight to be azovstal, a large force with no heavy weapons stuck in a hole with only one way out. It was an epic disaster that turned the pride of Ukraine’s military into a bunch of dirty looking scraggly cowards that died and were captured on camera.
The SMO with no large air assult to soften the enemy caught the west fully off gaurd, within the first 36 hours they had engaged in attacking 75% of all Ukrainian strongholds. They Russians destroyed Ukraine’s ability to launch an assult and robbed them of many food and weapons stashes.
The west can try to spin it how they want but the Russians were outnumbered 4:1 and absolutely destroyed Ukraines ability to force them out.
Posted by: OohCanada | Jan 22 2023 23:01 utc | 120
Let’s see what response this gets: “Is this Western war on Russia simply stupidity?” is the title Crooke gave to his al-Mayadeen column that begins thusly:
The US proxy war on Russia is stupid. Professor of Law at the LSE, Peter Ramsay, in a review of Benjamin Abelow’s book, How the West Brought War to Ukraine, outlines how the latter eschews the simplistic ‘Putin invaded Ukraine’ narrative — attributing primary responsibility for the war to less proximate causes: ‘American governmental stupidity and blindness’ and ‘the deference and cowardice’ of Europe’s leaders toward this American governmental ‘stupidity’.
“Although Abelow describes the self-deluding arrogance and hypocrisy of Western policy very clearly, he does not attempt to explain how; or why US policy has become so stupid or European leaders so cowardly. He appears dumbfounded by it, describing the level of irrationality involved as ‘almost inconceivable’”.
Nevertheless, we must conceive of it, because it has happened, and it is bringing revolutionary change to a Middle East busily re-configuring itself as an integral part of the BRICS+ bloc; a transition, which in itself, portends a huge shift to the framework of geo-economics.
At the bottom, the core “monumental stupidity” — for which Abelow quotes British Academic Richard Sakwa — is not something concealed, but rather, is one of those ‘truths’ that are ‘out there: hiding in the open’. It is that NATO’s existence derives its validation from the management of perceived ‘threats’ that in a circular process of thinking precisely were provoked by NATO enlargement — an enlargement done ostensibly to manage such ‘threats’.
In short, it is a circular closed-loop argument. Not only is there no threat from Russia that is independent of American policy, but it is also the expansion of NATO to ‘meet the threat from Russia’ that creates the very threat that expansion was supposed to meet.
Similarly, it is this type of circular reasoning which makes ‘Putin into Hitler’ — a self-fulfilling epithet that is created because NATO expansion is firstly ‘reasonable (a ‘Value’, and a national Right), and therefore that anyone contesting it therefore must be ‘fascist’.
Abelow asks simply, “What sane person could believe that putting a Western arsenal on Russia’s border would not produce a powerful response?”
At its root, Abelow laments that the insanity that bothers him intensely is that US policy-makers recognize the circularity of their argument (he gives examples), yet will not countenance for a moment any argument against it. They know ‘one thing’, but say ‘another’, he says.
But the charge of insanity, Ramsay opines, “whilst appealing rhetorically, tends to obscure a vital aspect of the narcissism that drives Western policy: the aspect in which the self-regarding sense of virtue is informed by the dominant mindset of our time – ideas which influence not just ‘experts’ – but political leaders and entire populations.” [Emphasis Original]
Then Crooke enters the realm of the Straussians and connects the above with them. And yes, the stupidity of it all has long been hiding in plain sight despite all the efforts put into the cover ups and misdirections.
Ultimately, all wars for plunder are stupid and often reflect the great insecurity of those doing the plundering–they don’t believe they can gain the outcome via cooperation plus they are smitten with Pleonexia. For all the emulation of Rome by the Outlaw US Empire’s Founders they don’t ever seem to have worried that Rome ultimately failed. Freud would likely conjure up an explanation of the son (the USA) having to outdo the father (UK) to please the overbearing mother (UK again), something akin to battered child syndrome where the abused strikes out at everything that gets in its way to Glory, which in the Outlaw US Empire’s case is Global Primacy. Having learned well from its parents, the child now directs them to do its bidding, although at times it’s hard to distinguish between the players.
El Lissitzky | Jan 22 2023 19:22 utc | 64
Request for Arestovych full interview.
Yes. I posted a link here 3-4 days ago.
Here it is again:
In this interview Arestovych talks absolute unadulterated good sense.
>Telling Russian speaking Ukrainian citizens they are the enemy is dumb and stupid.. he says.
Reporter: What about they should leave to Russia?
Arestovych. Yes. They will leave. Or they will bring Russia here. How dumb are we?
https://twitter.com/e_l_g_c_a/status/1615138445051195392
The comments under the tweet are worth a speed read.
When Arestovych gave this interview is not confirmed.
But it’s surfacing now. Because of his truth re the AD failure.
Here’s the yt https://twitter.com/_michalis12/status/1615282720640303104
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gvEo6cEGyY&t=16s
Two hours. Yt auto english subtitles only… (I doubt I’ll watch it)
Channel Description:
…” Alexey Arestovich is a guest of the new release on the YouTube channel of Ramina Eskhakzai. In this interview, Oleksiy Arestovych answered popular questions about the war in Ukraine, national identity, and working with Soviet narratives.
>…Why Russia could not attack Ukraine in the early years of our independence.
>… The Tuzla Peninsula and Leonid Kuchma’s reaction to the encroachment on the territorial integrity of Ukraine.
>… How to respond to the thesis that it was the inhabitants of the East who called the war in Ukraine.
>… Do we need our own Ukrainian counterpropaganda?
>…Why Russian propaganda is still available to residents of the de-occupied territories. Russian culture in the information space of Ukraine.
>…Do we need the so-called “good Russians” now?
>…How to move from post-Soviet society to an independent Ukrainian society.
>…Is it correct to ban the Russian language? How to motivate to speak Ukrainian?
>…Why architectural monuments are important in the search for national self-identification.
>…As a narrative of the army, language, faith harms Ukrainians. Reference and Russified Ukrainians. The popularity of sharovarshchina in modern Ukrainian culture.
Master class from Alexei Arestovich: how to properly talk with people whose brains are washed by Russian propaganda.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 22 2023 23:02 utc | 122
Also previously posted the German politician speaking against tanks.
Here with english sub titles
>”Last time, when your grandfathers sent tanks to Ukraine, Russian tanks arrived in Berlin… Have you forgotten?”
2mins. Powerful.
https://twitter.com/SurinMahan/status/1616369404798959616
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 22 2023 23:05 utc | 123
Let’s all be realistic, “real” gold will never again be used as a common means of direct payment. The costs of completing a secure transaction are too high and the speed too slow.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 22 2023 21:33 utc | 104
By “real” gold? No worries.
In the era of secure vaults, digital and blockchain, the costs of completing a secure transaction are solved.
No worries, the physical gold in owner’s account remains in a secure vault and is transferred from one account to the other – buyer’s to seller’s account – in real time.
Year 2017-2018 the Yuan has been convertible to gold through the Shanghai and Hong Kong Gold Exchange.
Fiat currency payments are in fact digital i.e banking online, direct deposit of payrolls, gov credits, pensions, etc.
Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 22 2023 23:11 utc | 124
OohCanuckistan@85
Are you not keeping up on the many excellent postings on this site, or are you a concern troll? One would hope its the former as if you are willing to take the time you will come to. realize that the NATOstanis have almost no serious conventional weaponry and currently are not able to re-route their industrial power in time to make any difference. As for the ruptured republic in which I live, again the industrial base has been sent to China and a number of 3rd world destinations and cannot come up with the weaponry even if the will of the minions of the ruling Bank$ters would prefer otherwise.
In a sense these latter Talmudists are shooting themselves in the feet, as they seriously misunderestimated the military production capability of the RF…or the combined will of the Putin administration as well as that of the Russian peoples.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 22 2023 23:12 utc | 125
Dalit @86
Valuable information on that movie and also sourcing it. You may wish to keep re-posting it for the next week or so as not all people who come to MoA come here on a daily basis as well as read each and every posting. Thanks for the offerings.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 22 2023 23:15 utc | 126
@ alek_a | Jan 22 2023 23:00 utc | 119
yes, indeed..thanks.. media is all run by the intel agencies now..
Posted by: james | Jan 22 2023 23:19 utc | 127
#FreetheLeopards!
War in Ukraine: Germany will not “oppose” the sending of Leopard 2 tanks by Poland
German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock said she had not received any official request from Poland, which on Sunday described Berlin’s refusal to supply Leopard 2 tanks to Kiev as “unacceptable”.
“If we were asked the question (of sending German Leopard 2 tanks, editor’s note), we would not oppose it,” said German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock in an interview with LCI in the company of her French counterpart Catherine Colonna on Sunday.
Posted by: Leuk | Jan 22 2023 23:24 utc | 128
grunzt | Jan 22 2023 21:17 utc | 95
exactly, your idea about the timing of German media being ‘gleichgeschaltet’ in or about 2000 – is what I observed.
LightYearsFromHome | Jan 22 2023 21:30 utc | 101
You have the same question re Zaporo Nuclear Plant as I have been mulling about. Suddenly all quiet on that front. Maybe there is some silent agreement after the visit of UN nuclear inspection ?
bevin | Jan 22 2023 21:17 utc | 94
Bevin, what you say is very true; ‘it needs only a spark’.. but I do not see a spark in the US society for a long long time. People in USA are too complacent, too obedient, too scared of each other, – and that there will no street protests like in Europe (France as a leader in this, there is some timid movement with street protests in Germany, ) – Poland will not have any street demos, also Swedes are too timid, Italians may do some protesting, Spaniards, Brits – but these sporadic movements are not able to coalesce. As an aside, I had a little difficulty to read your paragraph due to accumulation of nouns – this feature reminds me of reading Hegel (he uses also a lot on nouns in one sentence).
“All that is needed is a spark. And the precondition for that is the thorough and unmistakable defeat of neoliberal ideology and policies. So long as the basic assumptions behind capitalism from a belief in the inevitability of inequality to the superstition that the market is a better regulator of the economy than conscious democratic planning are unchallenged we will be ruled by those who go along with the ideology in order, like the teenagers surrounding Biden et al, to get along.”
Posted by: fanto | Jan 22 2023 23:25 utc | 129
grunzt @ 95
Thank you for your honesty and your self-awakening. As for why the German media, like the American and the rest of the Five Eyes countries all d’ accord and “on message”; the answer would be found within the walls of City of London, the tail which not only wags the British dog, but also all those nations which suffer from having privately owned central banking establishments. When a wind blows from “The City” all the leading pro$titicians and pre$$titutes in each and every bank$ter dominated country, inclusive of Deutschland bow like so many reeds in that prevailing wind.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 22 2023 23:28 utc | 130
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 22 2023 22:02 utc | 110
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 22 2023 22:06 utc | 112
Unsurprising position, given your screen name. Gold has not been “currency” for a long time. Currency implies rapid and easy circulation in an economy. Gold is an asset class and is designated as an eligible reserve (now at market value) by the IMF.
There is more gold in jewelry than in CB holdings and private coins and bars combined. The jewelry market creates the floor and ceiling for gold. The nominal price of gold will increase with sustained inflation (see 1979-80), but not much more than that. In inflation adjusted price, gold is now still in the range of the 3rd all time high.
https://www.macrotrends.net/1333/historical-gold-prices-100-year-chart
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 22 2023 23:30 utc | 131
karlof1@121
The seesaw relationship between the Mangy old Lion and the molting white-headed eagle can be viewed as the dance of a pair of puppets being manipulated by a particular privately owned bank in that politically independent and economically dominant center of world trade, banking, insurance, media, metals and more…the ruling City of London.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 22 2023 23:44 utc | 132
@All
If you haven’t watched the incredible movie Best in Hell yet I would suggest you ignore OPie’s comment and see it right away. Even though it is not a comedy you may find yourself laughing numerous times while reading the English subtitles underneath, some are hilarious. With that out of the way I have to say the equipment, weapons and strategy/tactics are amazing and would seem very accurate. The different artillery and heavy weapons are discribed with great detail and I can now fill in many gaps of my understanding when I read future articles, I loved the 240mm mortar, that is one helluva weapon.
Posted by: safe | Jan 22 2023 23:46 utc | 133
@alek_a | Jan 22 2023 23:00 utc | 119
media control by the military or intelligence always intensifies when there are active crises.
It has intensified. We’ve discussed here before the US/Canada initiatives to fight what they call disinformation. They have set up committees and procedures to combat disinformation.
Notice that they don’t judge information, media and otherwise, by its truthfulness. They are raising a stink against disinformation which means that the US/Canada provides information, and if any party provides information on the matter which is different, then it’s disinformation which is bad. Different opinions and different facts are not allowed by the US/Canada disinformation campaign. This is at the highest level in the US State Department and Canada Foreign Ministry.
The continuing US and ally information is that the Russian military actions in Ukraine were unprovoked and illegal. That’s information. It isn’t the truth but anything else is disinformation.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 22 2023 23:47 utc | 134
OPie’s comments about gold’s use in a financial system show how little he knows about sound money, that is gold and silver. When our current fiat paper money went OFF the gold standard in ’72, the US embraced MMT policy and created the petrodollar as a form of blackmail in “their” rules-based order. All this did is generate an insane amount of global DEBT to the tune of $320 Trillion dollars. Make no mistake, sound money will return to the world’s financial system starting in the East.
Posted by: safe | Jan 22 2023 23:53 utc | 135
@131 OP
Jewelry was the main/first/building block of currency almost 5,000 years ago. That’s how gold and silver got started as sound money. Linking some recent, Americanized, petrodollar-centric article about what gold is doesn’t help your cause. Sorry but…no. The paper in your wallet or purse will soon become worthless as it always does in the end. Gold and silver will be there to pick up the mantle once again.
Posted by: safe | Jan 22 2023 23:59 utc | 136
@ Melaleuca | Jan 22 2023 23:02 utc | 122
Thanks for the links. Indeed the twitter tread was worth a speed read.
As with everything in Ukraine, everything is upside down and enigmatic.
He seems to be the epitome of this identity crisis masquerading as a country.
Posted by: El Lissitzky | Jan 23 2023 0:04 utc | 137
Opport Knocks | Jan 22 2023 23:30 utc | 131
Screen name? Brothels in my teens were called knocker shops. Opport knocks…. very much much a screen name.
I use my given name and country. A fuckwit hiding behind a screen name tells me I am using a screen name….
What do you have to hide that you must must shit under a fake name?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 23 2023 0:11 utc | 139
The whole conflict with Ukraine is about Washington trying to maintain its hegemony in the context of the rise of Beijing. USA, like British Empire, is based on naval power, controls the sea trade lanes – If a country wants fair access to these, this had to be on good terms with Washington. Well, Beijing is constructing the belt and road initiative, which could establish the planet’s biggest trading network. This would be mostly a land based network immune to naval power and countries would need to be on good terms with both of Beijing and Moscow if those want good access and people would want that. This is a direct challenge to Washington. So, Washington would need to stir wars up to impede and stop development. The anti-extradition law amendment bill movement, Sino-East Turkistan conflict and Myanmar’s spring revolution were being facilitated by CIA and its allies to the ends of impeding the belt and road initiative.
Washington couldn’t take on Beijing if Moscow has its back. Also, Moscow is a major partner in the belt and road initiative – Hence, Ukraine is used to provoke Moscow into a war intended to weaken Moscow, Europe’s Afghanistan for its regime to collapse. Once Moscow is cowed, Taiwan will be used to provoke Beijing. Beijing has to be provoked on to the offensive because Washington would need Eurasia to sanction Beijing.
Posted by: Carnyxcall | Jan 23 2023 0:25 utc | 140
How Germany became the scapegoat of Europe – the Leopard saga. A story of false narratives, desinformation and outright hate.
https://twitter.com/weegeedutchie/status/1616733090176434176
^^ Interesting Thread. Read thru the comments…
El Lissitzky | Jan 23 2023 0:04 utc | 137
Ukraine: An identity crisis masquerading as a country.
I like it.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 23 2023 0:34 utc | 141
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 22 2023 23:02 utc | 122
Sorry if I’m asking something that has already been addressed multiple times (I’ve missed it if so), but could you explain the significance and context of that video? From what I can tell it’s a Ukrainian guy telling unvarnished truths about Ukraine, but the text below (blockquoted in your comment) seems to be saying the opposite. What’s going on there?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 23 2023 0:36 utc | 142
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 23 2023 0:11 utc | 139
I think he was making a reference to the chemical symbol for Gold in English which is “AU”?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 23 2023 0:40 utc | 143
Germany seems to be looking for a way out. They won’t object if Poland wants to waste it’s Leopard tanks.
“German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock told French TV channel LCI that Poland has not formally asked for Berlin’s approval to share some of its German-made Leopards but added “if we were asked, we would not stand in the way.”
https://ca.yahoo.com/news/minister-germany-wont-block-poland-212633070.html
Posted by: dh | Jan 23 2023 0:41 utc | 144
Opport Knocks | Jan 22 2023 23:30 utc | 131
I look at your screen name. Would you perchance be an opportunist?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 23 2023 0:44 utc | 145
@ dh | Jan 23 2023 0:41 utc | 144
according to what i recall from melaleuca a thread or two back, poland is not allowed to do that based on the contract they have for these tanks… something like that… but, since it is the rules based international order, what’s a few more rules to break in a long line of broken rules, lol… if the rules don’t work – change the rules!
Posted by: james | Jan 23 2023 0:44 utc | 146
By “real” gold? No worries.
In the era of secure vaults, digital and blockchain, the costs of completing a secure transaction are solved.
No worries, the physical gold in owner’s account remains in a secure vault and is transferred from one account to the other – buyer’s to seller’s account – in real time.
Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 22 2023 23:11 utc | 124
Samuel Bankman-Fried would have loved a scheme like that, the “secure vault” which is only accessed and audited by a select few. Fractions of numbered gold bars which a database says “belong” to me, and who knows how many other people. Then supposing too many of us want our gold at the same time, like Germany’s request from the USA that took 4 years to accomplish. How much of that was stolen from Libya and Venezuela?
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 23 2023 0:49 utc | 148
@146 I’m sure they can get around that minor technicality james. Interesting that Germany basically is saying ‘Go ahead Poland. Send your tanks. We’ll hang onto ours for now.’
Posted by: dh | Jan 23 2023 0:51 utc | 149
The whole discussion about Leopards for Ukraine misses the point that these tanks are not invulnerable and will be picked up one by one, just like the russian tanks were proudly shown by the Ukies in the early phase of SMO.
So, what is the big hurry? These Leopards are just a ruse to get Germans into the war more deeply. Who sits behind this devilish idea to put Germans again on Russian / Ukrainian soil? Who will ultimately benefit from sewing hatred between Russians, Germans and Poles??
Posted by: fanto | Jan 23 2023 0:51 utc | 150
@150 A lot of posters have mentioned that the tanks will get destroyed pretty fast. More of a ruse to get NATO directly involved IMO. Germany has to crack first.
Posted by: dh | Jan 23 2023 0:54 utc | 151
Posted by: james | Jan 23 2023 0:48 utc | 147
Thanks. I hadn’t seen it in English before. It would appear that Germany or the manufacturer (or both) holds some sort of license over the Leopards in use by other countries and that Poland and Spain wouldn’t be allowed to send them over without German approval?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 23 2023 1:01 utc | 152
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 23 2023 0:49 utc | 148
Yup. If you don’t actually have the gold right where you can touch it with your own hands, there’s almost no guarantee you’ll ever be able to access it when you need it – especially during times of great economic duress and war.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 23 2023 1:03 utc | 153
Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 23 2023 0:40 utc | 143
Opport Knockers will do well when Benny Hill arises from the ashes. It appears o be an idiot boy in the real world.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 23 2023 1:05 utc | 154
Ultimately, all wars for plunder are stupid and often reflect the great insecurity of those doing the plundering–they don’t believe they can gain the outcome via cooperation plus they are smitten with Pleonexia. For all the emulation of Rome by the Outlaw US Empire’s Founders they don’t ever seem to have worried that Rome ultimately failed. Freud would likely conjure up an explanation of the son (the USA) having to outdo the father (UK) to please the overbearing mother (UK again), something akin to battered child syndrome where the abused strikes out at everything that gets in its way to Glory, which in the Outlaw US Empire’s case is Global Primacy. Having learned well from its parents, the child now directs them to do its bidding, although at times it’s hard to distinguish between the players.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 22 2023 23:02 utc | 121
Totally agree. Dumb as a brick, and they were warned too. All the way back to the Korean War really. “We’re going to dominate the planet.” F**k. And these ignorant self-important cretins are spose to be our best and brightest. Custer was not a fluke or an accident. The Russians will eat them alive.
Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 23 2023 1:06 utc | 155
Make no mistake, sound money will return to the world’s financial system starting in the East.
Posted by: safe | Jan 22 2023 23:53 utc | 135
Say what? China’s debt Ponzi rivals that of the USA, the main difference being that their debt Ponzi is almost all internal and thus easier to control. Under Poszar’s “commodity encumbrance” model, gold is just one of a basket of resources that can be used to back national debt.
If a country owes China a few billion yuan, it must pledge something tangible for the commodity encumbrance framework to work. Who decides what commodity is used in any given time frame? Can they bait and switch? Pledge beef and deliver soybeans? All commodities vary widely in price and even more so relative to each other.
The professional arbitragers will love it.
The inevitable settlement payment disputes, “you pledged x barrels of oil when it was $75, now it is $40, I want x+y barrels of oil”, are going to be settled by geopolitical and military force, just like they are now.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 23 2023 1:08 utc | 156
Posted by: Mike R | Jan 22 2023 15:22 utc | 16
Insightful post…and it made me laugh to boot! Cheers!
Posted by: Activist Potato | Jan 23 2023 1:11 utc | 157
@152 “German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock told French TV channel LCI that Poland has not formally asked for Berlin’s approval to share some of its German-made Leopards but added “if we were asked, we would not stand in the way.”
Posted by: dh | Jan 23 2023 1:12 utc | 158
safe#135…sound money in physical metal that’s true, but at a time before the 70s, back in the 30/40s it was illegal to own or hoard gold and silver. Using said metals makes one a target for opportunists. Many stashed their physical metal in safe deposit boxes, only to find it removed… governments can do that.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jan 23 2023 1:16 utc | 159
@159 They take a bit out now and then when they go shopping.
Posted by: dh | Jan 23 2023 1:18 utc | 160
The Gerries are edging their bets with the leopard tanks. They want to appear theyre not fully in favour of sending the tanks BUT will send them in the end, as we all know they will.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 23 2023 1:19 utc | 161
I see no moves in the US to build new factories to increase production and no move the educate and train a workforce… as with almost everything in the US you just imagine the narrative and it happens.
Posted by: dp | Jan 22 2023 20:35 utc | 81
yes. to paraphrase: we make our own reality and act on it and while you are analyzing our last action, we act again.
i think they forgot the action equals industry part or they know where they can get them when they need them, which seems unlikely. i so look forward to the day that we can’t “make our own reality” and go murder tens of thousands of people.
Posted by: polarbear4 | Jan 23 2023 1:19 utc | 162
@96. The Guardian is, like WAPO, an instrument of the deep state. Simon Tisdale’s most recent article states the only option now for the collective West is to send armed forces to Ukraine to fight the Russians.
Well, he should do just that, give up his £250,000 a year cushy little job right now, with immediate effect, go over to Ukraine join their Army and go to the front line and fight the Russians.
God how I hate these armchair war advocates who wouldn’t dream of or have the guts to put their money where their mouth is.
Posted by: Jo Dominich | Jan 23 2023 1:27 utc | 164
Opport Knocks | Jan 23 2023 1:08 utc | 156
Opport Knocks. Where art though that has to hide behind a fake name?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 23 2023 1:30 utc | 165
To be quite honest, the Gerries sending their tanks to ukraine will have no other outcome but to galvanise the Russian people into supporting the SMO even more.
The west is now verging on the maniacle in both their fear of losing (ie Russia winning) this conflict and their hatred of Russia and Russians.
Theyre in a downward spiral in this conflict. Things are getting worse for Ukraine. And the west is to blame for all of this conflict.
Yes. Its brinkmanship on both sides presently. Nothings giving on the Russian side. They havent blinked. But their are chinks appearing in wests armour.
This presents a dangerous situation IMO. Extremely dangerous.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 23 2023 1:31 utc | 166
james | Jan 22 2023 21:55 utc | 109
The Propaganda Multiplier
Good article on the media industry. Individuals also play their part. People in general believe what they are told and do not question, especially if they believe they live in the ’free’ world. If the story is smooth and simple, and tugs at the emotions, it is much easier to believe than a complex reality.
There are specific linguistic mechanisms to media control:
inaccurate by ignorance or deliberate misconstruing—lying by omission-bias – deliberate lies
priming (order of information) – leading questions -opinions stated as fact – conflation – extrapolation – demonisation – dehumanisation
Some are obvious-if you see demonisation and dehumanisation, it’s pretty likely that some of the rest is BS too. others are hidden unless you know the other side of the story. I started my research into Ukraine by using a simple search term ‘zelensky is a dead man walking’ and went from there.
hahaha have you seen the ‘factcheck’ page for canada dot gov? you might need a vomit bag handy.
https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/issues_development-enjeux_developpement/response_conflict-reponse_conflits/crisis-crises/ukraine-fact-fait.aspx?lang=eng
Posted by: olaf22 | Jan 23 2023 1:35 utc | 167
@ unimperator | Jan 22 2023 18:54 utc | 59
And so it begins.
One of the primary purposes of NATO, in fact any military-military interaction with US is to identify & actively target States Military officers for recruitment as assets, sources & active agents, suborned. Turkiye figured that out straight after the 2016 coup, and acted decisively.
It is why no PLA selected & monitored by international liaison department, PLA officers that interact or train with, even interface with US/Empire, excepting by necessity select senior officers, potentially compromised, are ever permitted future operational commands.
Hungary is pre-empting a NATO sponsored internally supported by compromised Hungarian Officers, coup in Hungary. Hungary has made it’s choice & committed to a non-Empire path.
NATO will not survive current events. As for the EU ?
@ Milites | Jan 22 2023 18:58 utc | 60
Well stated. No arguments here. Cheers.
@ james | Jan 22 2023 19:44 utc | 70
5(+3)-Eyes nations especially, riddled & suborned from within throughout. Thence 9-Eyes & 14-eyes. Intelligence services & militaries suborned/compromised, used as a springboard re executive & institutions/political parties.
@ Pagan | Jan 22 2023 20:06 utc | 76
Imposed, as continual masked ‘Tribute’ to Empire, at more then 1000% cost. And never enough spares or parts, on a drip-feed, to viably ever contemplate going rogue.
Whilst their economies collapse & shrink evermore for starters. Who would have thought, pseudo slave plantations pretending to be nation States within the walled ‘Garden’. Karma.
@ bevin | Jan 22 2023 21:17 utc | 94
Inevitable.
@ Peter AU1 | Jan 22 2023 21:31 utc | 102
1945-2023 RIP.
Without a doubt.
@ Malwen | Jan 22 2023 22:44 utc | 117
Myrotvorets is hosted, supported & run on NATO CDN servers. Psuedo 4th Reich …
@ fanto | Jan 23 2023 0:51 utc | 150
@ dh | Jan 23 2023 0:54 utc | 151
Spot on.
@ Peter AU1 | Jan 23 2023 1:05 utc | 154
Yep, rather tiresome.
@ Bemildred | Jan 23 2023 1:06 utc | 155
Ever since ’91: ‘Sole remaining Superpower!’. Not.
An object lesson in the consequences of internalizing ones own outrageous propaganda, tropes & myths over decades/generations.
Opport Knocks
You run under a fake name and accuse me, using my given name and country, accuse me of being fake? speak up shit head. Put your balls where your lose mouth is. I have been here long enough for you to know me better.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 23 2023 1:37 utc | 169
F-16s to Ukraine???
I think Hal Turner is a trash source…. But he’s been correct once or twice.
?? Maybe all the tank tango was just theatre while they tidied up the f-16 plan.
WE KNOW sending tanks without air cover is just dumb… it’s acceptable when it’s Ukrainians dying, but NATO tanks means NATO tankies…….
NATO tankies need air cover ?????
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/bulletin-ambassador-says-u-s-will-allow-allies-to-give-f-16-s-to-ukraine
It’s claimed Ukraine Polish and German pilots have been training on f-16s at Luke AFB… several weeks, or before December…
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 23 2023 1:42 utc | 170
@15
As far as I can tell only Wagenknecht, die Linke, who called the German government the dumbest ever and AfD speaking out. An appalling state of affairs
An object lesson in the consequences of internalizing ones own outrageous propaganda, tropes & myths over decades/generations.
Posted by: Outraged | Jan 23 2023 1:36 utc | 168
Thank you. Sometimes you just don’t know where to start in on all the bullshit. Appreciate your efforts.
Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 23 2023 1:43 utc | 172
For all the serious folks here, turn your eyes away.
Knockers my big busted dearest – no reply? Where art thou?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 23 2023 1:48 utc | 173
Where art thou?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 23 2023 1:48 utc | 173
(appearing to suffer from OCD)
I ate dinner and walked the dog in the snow, he loves rolling in it. Sorry to keep you waiting.
I have used this screen name in online forums (except where banned – lol) for about 20 years. Almost no one uses a real name here, no idea why that is an issue. I have indicated many times I live in Central Canada.
I prefer gold stocks to the metal for obvious reasons, if you buy gold stocks when the price is low, they typically outperform on the way up. Some also pay decent dividends while you wait.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 23 2023 2:01 utc | 174
Where art thou knockers? My full name is at my VK page which I have linked here. Where art thou fake faggot? What is your given name faggot? I post mine here.
There are time differences but it appears you are MIA at the moment.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 23 2023 2:02 utc | 175
Re Outraged…..Thank you. Sometimes you just don’t know where to start in on all the bullshit. Appreciate your efforts.
Bemildred | Jan 23 2023 1:43 utc | 172
I will salut !! that.
PeterAu….
M8… he’s a idiot. No. He’s a fucking idiot.
He thought he’d expand my education by explaining humans are primates.
But he’s the silliest monkey in this zoo.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 23 2023 2:06 utc | 176
He thought he’d expand my education by explaining humans are primates.
But he’s the silliest monkey in this zoo.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 23 2023 2:06 utc | 176
LOL… I pointed out the origins of the word primate and its dual meaning.
Your ego notwithstanding, the post was for the board in general, not just you. Many are not as intelligent and well rounded as you, and may have benefited from the information.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 23 2023 2:15 utc | 177
a little something to brighten your day/night:
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/economics/brazil-argentina-set-to-begin-preparations-for-common-curren
The Financial Times reported that Brazil and Argentina will declare this week that they would begin preliminary work on a common currency.
The plan, which will be debated at a conference in Buenos Aires this week, will center on how a new currency, which Brazil proposes naming the “sur” (south), may improve regional trade and lessen dependency on the US dollar, according to officials quoted by the Financial Times.
Posted by: polarbear4 | Jan 23 2023 2:18 utc | 178
Based on the arguments so far, it looks like gold will not replace the dollar on it own. Other countries are gradually trading in their own currencies, and therefore replacing the dollar quite a bit. So the dollar has competition, but gold is just one competitor.
I don’t think any one currency or metal will replace the dollar. Most probably the dollar will be replaced by multiple currencies and metals.
Posted by: Augustus Caesar | Jan 23 2023 2:35 utc | 179
polarbear4 | Jan 23 2023 2:18 utc | 178
aye, and Lavrov is off to South Africa to talk BRICS
Posted by: olaf22 | Jan 23 2023 2:38 utc | 180
Watched some of the “Best in Hell” movie about the Wagner group. Really exciting movie! Wished it had subtitles in English.
This movie along with the prisoners being set free after 6 months serving Wagner is going to swell its recruitment ranks tremendously in and out of prison.
When fighting an enemy that has nothing to lose, this for sure is a very dangerous foe.
Posted by: young | Jan 23 2023 3:05 utc | 181
Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 22 2023 23:11 utc | 124
Samuel Bankman-Fried would have loved a scheme like that, the “secure vault” which is only accessed and audited by a select few. Fractions of numbered gold bars which a database says “belong” to me, and who knows how many other people. Then supposing too many of us want our gold at the same time, like Germany’s request from the USA that took 4 years to accomplish. How much of that was stolen from Libya and Venezuela?
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 23 2023 0:49 utc | 148
Did I mention anything about cryptos?
You have scaled the wall, ill-conceived…not all vaults are cryptos connected.. Vaults existed before cryptos were invented.
Secure vaults are physical where your inventoried gold are kept in your account in your name and you are allowed to inspect your holdings.
Some secure vaults are nuclear bomb-proof. Utilize a search engine.
And you declared domiciled Canadian; you can buy physical gold and it is stored in your name at the Royal Canadian Mint, [that is if you trust your current PM and deputy PM.] Some prefer to maintain their own personal vault in sight…touch it, feel it. A piano comes to mind.{or a boat accident in your favourite lake with an anchor /s}
Oh btw; a hint – considering you buy stocks, ascertain that the stocks are in your name and not the street name. Physical gold is for wealth preservation…over 5,000 years.
Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 23 2023 3:13 utc | 182
Peter AU1, are just a mean drunk when you drink, in pain or something or just need to get laid or a blow job…?
You usually post good discussion but chasing after someone because you didn’t like his comment and berate him for using a “stage name” wares a bit thin after the second time. Sober up or drink another Fosters and pass out.
Posted by: DakotaRog | Jan 23 2023 3:22 utc | 183
Year 2017-2018 the Yuan has been convertible to gold through the Shanghai and Hong Kong Gold Exchange.
Fiat currency payments are in fact digital i.e banking online, direct deposit of payrolls, gov credits, pensions, etc.
Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 22 2023 23:11 utc | 124
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I think this is what China is trying to do with its yuan/gold experiment. It is trying to enter the international market at the ‘convertible paper money’ stage.
I think the main problem with a gold based system is that there is not enough gold to cover all the transactions. But once the yuan becomes more accepted they could move to the ‘unconvertible financial instrument’ stage. Similar to the trip the USD took.
Posted by: financial matters | November 02, 2017 at 08:46 AM
Posted by: financial matters | Jan 23 2023 3:27 utc | 184
@156 OPie
Ahhhh you’re looking at it like a western snake-oil salesman dude. I am impressed by Poszar’s BWIII rhetoric and his commodity encumbrance comments are mostly generalized opinions of how a nation can contribute in a SCO or EUEA framework. The main issue is that there’s a number of countries that won’t hesitate to peg their real currency to oil, rare earths or gold and that will be the start of an SDR-style reserve currency. Gold just ends up being the top choice for those in the East that have sooo much of it. Sound money WILL become a peg cuz it’s so easily identified as the people’s money from the Philippines to Vietnam to India to Russia. You get my drift right?
Posted by: safe | Jan 23 2023 3:44 utc | 185
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 23 2023 0:11 utc | 139
Don’t worry, that “Oppurt Knocks” guy was just projecting.
Posted by: Colin | Jan 23 2023 3:46 utc | 186
@181 young
There was a guy who put up a link somewhere up thread and that’s where I watched it. You didn’t miss much in the way of some of the conversations though as the translation was horrendous and elicited many deep barrel laughs from me as I was reading it.
Posted by: safe | Jan 23 2023 3:51 utc | 187
⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ #Chronicle of the Special Military Operation for 21-22 Jan 2023⚡️
♦️#Russia’s Border Areas:
◾️ On Saturday, Ukrainian drones attacked a mill in the village of #Tyotkino in the #Kursk region. The dropped shells caused no damage or casualties.
◾️ The AFU terrorists shelled the village of #Vyazovoye, Krasnoyaruzhsky district in #Belgorod region. There were no casualties, but the several houses and power lines were damaged.
♦️#Kharkov Region:
◾️ The RF Armed Forces have carried out at least four missile strikes on AFU facilities in and around #Kharkov. According to preliminary reports, one of the shells hit a fuel and lubricants storage facility near Kharkov-Sortirovochny railway station.
♦️#Starobelsk Direction:
▪️ No significant changes on the frontline. On the #Kupyansk – #Svatovo section, enemy units are rotating and gathering reinforcements near #Novoselovskoye, planning a short term offensive on #Kuzemovka.
▪️ Further south, artillery duels continue in the #Ploshchanka – #Makeyevka sector. The AFU is using small sabotage groups, probing the Russian defences, but the RF Armed Forces regularly detect and destroy them.
♦️#Soledar Direction:
▪️ In the #Soledar area north of #Sol station, Wagner PMC assault troops have taken control of #Krasnopolyevka. The village is located on one of the roads leading to #Seversk.
▪️ On the southern and southeastern outskirts of #Bakhmut, fighting for control of the local residential areas continues. Russian Aerospace Forces and artillery are working on the identified positions of the Ukrainian army.
➖ Over the village of #Khromovo near #Bakhmut, a Wagner PMC man-portable air defence system (MANPADS) shot down a Ukrainian army Mi-8 military transport helicopter, which crashed into the #Bakhmut railway station.
♦️#Lugansk People’s Republic:
▪️ The Ukrainian terrorist forces shelled #Stakhanov with a HIMARS MLRS. In the town, the preventorium of the machine-building plant and the old prosecutor’s office building were destroyed and at least four residential buildings were damaged.
▪️ Ukrainian militants also shelled the village of #Fomovka in #Svatovo district, destroying two houses and damaging the local medical clinic. In #Starobelsk, which was also shelled by the terrorists, a residential building was destroyed, but there were no casualties.
♦️#Donetsk People’s Republic:
▪️ The Ukrainian terrorist formations have shelled settlements in #Donetsk agglomeration again. Art school No. 5 in Kirovsky district of #Donetsk was damaged, 23 transformer substations in Petrovsky district were de-energized.
▪️ The Ukrainian terror forces shelled #Ilovaysk several times, most of the shells were destroyed in the air by air defences.
♦️#Zaporozhye Direction:
▪️ In the #Orekhov section the fighting has taken on a positional character. The RF Armed Forces are consolidating in previously occupied positions and conducting counter-battery warfare. The enemy is transferring reinforcements to the area.
♦️#Kherson Direction on Southern Front:
▪️ Artillery duels continue along the line of contact. Russian troops and artillery struck enemy facilities and manpower in #Kherson and #Antonovka.
▪️ Ukrainian terrorists shelled Novaya Kakhovka. One person was killed, two others wounded, and there are power outages.
Posted by: Down South | Jan 23 2023 4:05 utc | 188
Fierce fighting on the outskirts of Belogorovka
The offensive of the Russian troops on the Donbass front continues. The main strategic task is to break through the Seversk-Soledar-Bakhmut-Chasov Yar line.
The first stage with the capture of Soledar was successfully passed by the Wagner Group. Now the Russian Army is developing an offensive on Seversk, on the way to which lies the village of Belogorovka, where BARS-7 volunteers, together with the 7th brigade of the LPR, literally gnaw out control over the settlement meter by meter.
Posted by: Down South | Jan 23 2023 4:08 utc | 189
@ Peter AU1
Put the pint down and step away from the bar for a moment.
FFS, mate, calm down. Who the fuck in clown countries wants to risk potential blowback? Fine, you’re braver than most of the rest of us. We get it. Can we move on?
You and Opportunity Knocks are both fine patrons. Take the foregoing as constructive criticism. 🙂
Posted by: natokraine | Jan 23 2023 4:08 utc | 190
🇷🇺⚔️🇺🇦 The offensive on the Zaporozhye front: artillery clears the way for the armored group and infantry
▪️ In a number of areas, the advance has slowed down, positional battles are underway. To minimize losses, our gunners cover the infantry with powerful fire, all types of howitzers, cannons and MLRS work.
▪️On the video of our comrades, a building turned into a fortified firing point is being destroyed. Scouts using quadrocopters identify enemy resistance nodes and adjust artillery and aviation fire.
▪️ Counter-battery warfare is also being actively conducted. They are firing at the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, from where they fired at the advancing assault groups. The Marines and infantry thank the gunners for suppressing enemy MLRS and howitzers that hindered the offensive. P.S. we have first evidences emerging of the offensive in that direction…If someone can geolocate can be perfect and put it in the comments
https://t.me/azmilitary11/34481
Posted by: Down South | Jan 23 2023 4:11 utc | 191
Site for best in hell movie with English subtitles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4ZxWaRHhnQ
Posted by: young | Jan 23 2023 4:13 utc | 192
The Zaporozhye offensive and the withdrawal from Kharkov
The AFU have found themselves in a dilemma due to their desire to hold on to territory even to the last man. Ultimately, Kiev’s goals are propaganda and real estate, with little regard to how many men end up in body bags. At the time of the Kharkov counteroffensive by the AFU in September, the RF had not yet begun the partial mobilization, and the RF did not have the luxury of manpower, nor the exogenous supply from outside forces that the AFU has come to rely on. While things should have never been allowed to unfold as they did, costing us Lyman and the greater portion of Kharkov, at that time and place the correct decision was made to withdraw across the Oskil river to buy time and protect precious manpower.
Conversely, the AFU focusing on territory and propaganda has decided to dig in hard for Bakhmut/Artemovsk, even redeploying troops from other fronts. By doing this, their garrisons in Zaporozhye found themselves in a similar position to those of the RF in Kharkov. Of course, I do not expect them to withdraw as the Russians did, but rather to fight a suicidal defense on multiple fronts. Ultimately, the result will be the same, just with heavier losses.
The important lesson here is that wars are not won on Twitter, and territory is the long-term goal, not the immediate concern. The AFU has put all their defenses across the entire front at risk and will ultimately lose more territory in the end. The momentum is now with the RF and the Allied Forces. Wars are won with tactical maneuvers that ultimately lead to breaks that create the opportunity for seizing territory. The original failure of the SMO was trading quick territorial gains for strategical and tactical preparation, which led to massive losses that never should have happened.
The seeds of the liberation of the Donbass were sowed in the streets of Bakhmut/Artemovsk. This “unimportant town” as the West now copes will be remembered as the major turning point, where the AFU miscalculated, and the Allied resolve remained firm. Due to the stubbornness of the clown Zelensky, performing for his Western benefactors, the troops sent from Zaporozhye to Bakhmut/Artemovsk weakened the Southern front allowing the RF to gain advantage over the Kamianske-Orikhiv highway, making the logistical situation for the AFU even worse than it already was.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/30194
Posted by: Down South | Jan 23 2023 4:27 utc | 193
> Brazil and Argentina will declare this week that they would begin preliminary work on a common currency.
Please tell me this isn’t to replace their existing national currencies — one of the pillars of sovereignty — but merely to serve in national trade.
The fruits of NATO, the EU, and the EMU prove people shouldn’t continually roll up military, political, and financial matters into so few hands.
Posted by: Natokraine | Jan 23 2023 4:33 utc | 194
Now they’re saying Germany has dropped any objections to Poland sending Leopard 2s. Will this make any difference other than to anger the Russians?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 23 2023 4:49 utc | 195
Posted by: young | Jan 23 2023 3:05 utc | 181
English subtitled version here.
https://odysee.com/@Iceisnice11:8/%F0%9F%8E%ACPMC-Wagner—Best-in-Hell—2022-(English-subtitles):6
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 23 2023 4:50 utc | 196
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-politics-government-united-states-c9459e1bed9ad7358a59b541b3a5ae8c
Is this really new “news”? I haven’t followed the drama w/r/t Poland sending Leopards.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 23 2023 4:56 utc | 197
@ Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 23 2023 4:49 utc | 195
Will this make any difference other than to anger the Russians?
Apparently there’s no reason for Russian anger, and perhaps some jubilation.
Generals Milley and Austin have cited how long it takes to train personnel to operate the tanks and how difficult the tanks are to maintain. They also have argued they are not the right vehicles for the fight in Ukraine right now, according to the officials. . .here
Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 23 2023 5:03 utc | 198
Germany’s going to have a Poland problem. The EU doesn’t publish the details of their €160-180 billion budget any more, but back in 2018 Germany was a huge EU creditor and Poland was a huge EU debtor. . . .here . . .and now we see Poland paying big bucks (euro bucks) for US junk.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 23 2023 5:15 utc | 199
Sorry–You’re talking Leopards and I’m talking Abrams. Must be the tequila.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 23 2023 5:20 utc | 200