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January 14, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-13
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The larger danger of nuclear war seem to be dust clouds raised into the high atmosphere.
Hence Russia’s move to the nuclear torpedo and precision supersonic. US thought itself smart trying to pull out of the mutually assured destruction treaty and so Russia moved to US assured destruction.
On stem and AI. Garbage in garbage out. US live in the fantasy world of Reagan’s star wars and then prompt global strike. In reality their nuke/strategic weapons tech is little changed from the 1960s.
One piece of US idiocy is their idiotic law on maintaining a certain number of aircraft carriers at sea. US is trapped in the time when it was actually a powerful country. Now the only thing they are good at is destruction of society. I guess their AI will have to be non white gender bender politically correct and programmed with US laws and idiocy.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2023 23:26 utc | 101
Ann B
Life for people in the Marshall Islands is horrific. Cancer rates, birth defects, poverty, poor health are the norm. The Islanders get to serve the bases and live is shacks. Their food sources from the ocean are long gone so they get to eat the left over crap from the base. The a toll is a dead zone thanks to massive nuclear explosions. They brought the Islanders back saying it was safe so they could research the. More Nazi behavior from my country. They are treated like dirt, just like everyone who lives and works near a base. Every american base is a superfund site that they never clean up.
Posted by: SusanM | Jan 14 2023 23:27 utc | 102
@ Likklemore
Pollard? Good lord, not Pollard. Pollard was an American traitor for Occupied Palestine, treasonously supported by the likes of Chuckles Schumer.
You mean Mordechai Vanunu, a true hero of humanity and punished severely by Occupied Palestine because of it.
Posted by: malenkov | Jan 14 2023 23:27 utc | 103
unimperitor@71
Likely you will recall when the Kiev regime passed out weapons willy-nilly to the residents of Kiev while Russian units were parked just outside the city. Perhaps some of them are quite disenchanted by now, having had family, clan, friends, neighbors, co-workers sent to their deaths for the puppet regime. Perhaps they will gather up a small group of friends and begin taking down some of those creeps who are acting as enforced “recruiters” for the illegitimate state.
In the long run, many lives would be saved by the removal of some of the regime’s death squads.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2023 23:31 utc | 104
UK sends Apache helicopters armed with deadly Hellfire missiles to Ukraine
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uk-sends-apache-helicopters-armed-28955516
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 14 2023 23:37 utc | 105
Gene Poole @73
Thank you for your self-identification as a suspect $ayanim or Ha$barfa. Gotta keep those $hekels rolling in, eh? If you are not either of the above-cited, you are either a badly misinformed sortuva Goy or some operative for one of the many intel types who constantly monitor this site.
Ready to fess-up, Gene?
Not so infested with obvious trolls as the U.R., MoA tends to draw a more discrete level of pests.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2023 23:38 utc | 106
@Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2023 22:09 utc | 82
Courage is doing what you must, knowing and understanding the risks entailed. What we are seeing in the Ukrainians is not courage, but delusion, fueled by propaganda, faith, a lack of imagination, a rejection of reason, empathy and vision,fueled by ignorance, stupidity, fear and in the USA at least, murderous greed.
Posted by: Hermit | Jan 14 2023 23:48 utc | 107
Mark Sleboda has a new Substack piece discussing Ukrainian General Valery Zaluzhny and his connections with the Stepan Bandera movement. Nothing a lot of us didn’t know, but possibly a useful refresher on how Ukraine is full of Nazis.
Ukraine’s Commander-in-Chief is an Open Banderite Fascist
https://marksleboda.substack.com/p/ukraines-commander-in-chief-is-an
This year the Kiev Putsch regime’s Parliamentary body the Rada, celebrated the fascist holiday with a tweet, now deleted, on Twitter showing the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the 4 star general Valery Zaluzhny, standing smiling smugly, in front of a portrait of Stepan Bandera, accompanied by one of Bandera’s quotes,
“The complete and final victory of Ukrainian nationalism will come when the Russian empire ceases to exist.” And then added, “A fight against the Russian empire is currently underway. And the precepts of Stepan Bandera are well known to the commander-in-chief of the armed forces.”
And let me add: “Fuck you to all the Ukrainian-American and Ukrainian-Canadian – and Ukrainian-Everywhere-Else – trolls who are infesting this site. You should be deported back to Ukraine and sent to the front lines.
– RSH
Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Jan 14 2023 23:59 utc | 108
@aristodemos | Jan 14 2023 23:31 utc | 105
We are getting a long way from the Ukraine, so this might best belong on the NOT the Ukraine thread, but I would submit that “faith” can always be substituted with a phrase meaning “pretending to know something you do not or even cannot know” without changing the meaning of the sentence.
Posted by: Hermit | Jan 15 2023 0:03 utc | 109
Update on “where are the Chechens?” Hmm, a ‘second front’? Wagner takes Bakhmut, Chechens take Zaporozhye? Maybe a feint force AFU to divide forces?
Ramzan Akhmatovich Kadyrov said that Chechen OMON fighters arrived in Zaporozhye and are immersed in the operational-tactical situation:
“Upon arrival in the Russian Zaporozhye region, on the territory of the special operation, the fighters of the OMON “Akhmat-1″ of the Office of the Russian Guard in the Chechen Republic began to develop a plan to fulfill the assigned operational and combat tasks.”
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/47348
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 15 2023 0:16 utc | 110
According to Russian insiders final number of killed in Makeevka on 1 Jan is 319. This is a “secret” number and it will not be revealed. Official number is 89 people. 319 sounds realistic to me considering the circumstances and photos after explosion.
Meanwhile MOD data about killed in “retaliation” (what a stupid thing to say really) attack has not yet been verified by other sources.
https://t.me/denatofication/4755
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 15 2023 0:20 utc | 111
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 14 2023 22:55 utc | 90
A tinfoilhatter full house. You need help.
Posted by: D J G | Jan 15 2023 0:25 utc | 113
Do we need an explainer why Bob finds Turkey unruly?
I’ll leave it there ….but lots more can be listed.
Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 14 2023 23:10 utc | 98
Perhaps Erdogan has a good reason for being “unruly.”
On 15 July 2016, a faction within the Turkish Armed Forces, organized as the Peace at Home Council, attempted a coup d’état against state institutions, including the government and president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. They attempted to seize control of several places in Ankara, Istanbul, Marmaris and elsewhere, such as the Asian side entrance of the Bosphorus Bridge, but failed to do so after forces loyal to the state defeated them.
The government said the coup leaders were linked to the Gülen movement, which is designated as a terrorist organization by the Republic of Turkey and led by Fethullah Gülen, a Turkish businessman and scholar who lives in Pennsylvania. The Turkish government alleged that Gülen was behind the coup (which Gülen denied) and that the United States was harboring him. Events surrounding the coup attempt and the purges in its aftermath reflect a complex power struggle between Islamist elites in Turkey.
As far as Erdogan is concerned, US National Security spooks were helping with the attempted coup. President Erdoğan said the head of United States Central Command, General Joseph Votel was “siding with coup plotters”, after Votel criticized the Turkish government for arresting the Pentagon’s contacts in Turkey. (Copied from Wikipedia).
Posted by: Ed | Jan 15 2023 0:28 utc | 114
Find someone worth talking to (not the crisis actor, or the other idiot) about pulling strike systems and delivery vehicles back to a boundary beyond two to three hundred kilometers in less than ten minutes, respectively. I wish disarmament talks could be more all inclusive, but, the theater in question happens to be Europe. If we are going to aim for something, then we need to aim for something that can actually happen.
@88
there are a small and well supported [by the atlanticists and neocons] cadre of russians who supported the west’s pillaging of russia in the early 1990’s.
i have encountered one who married a russian [descendant of a high party official who went crosswise with stalin] and generations now hate russia…..
there are one world atlanticists/neocons of many stripes! they get a lot more lines of print than they are worth.
Posted by: paddy | Jan 15 2023 0:43 utc | 116
Failure to come up with some sort of physically visible solution will most certainly result in a situation that is rather difficult to explain, and that will happen rather quickly.
@LightYearsFromHome | Jan 14 2023 23:37 utc | 106
Interesting that they would risk demonstrating how unsurvivable a helicopter is against trained forces on the modern battlefield. Curious that they have managed to find pilots who have agreed to immolation as part of this demonstration. One has to wonder what inducement is being offered.
“can detect more than 250 potential targets at once up to 10 miles away.”
Effective Range of Current Russian AA missiles
K-74M izdeliye 750 fully digital and reprogrammable with IR seeker with a 35+ km range. Deployed on the Mig-35/29 and the Su-30/34/35.
K-74M2 izdeliye 760 is a slimmed down derivative with similar range, greater speed and higher maneuverability for the Su-57.
R-77–1. This has an engagement range of 100+ km with a redesigned active radar AGAT seeker and new fins. A hypersonic ramjet version capable of 350+ km has been tested.
R-37M. A hypersonic (Mach 5+) missile with a range of 150+ (direct) to 400+ (stratospheric) km depending on flight profile. Carried by the Su-35, Su-57 and MiG-31BM. Currently equipped with Agat 9B-1388 active seeker in the process of an upgrade to an AESA seeker.
Meanwhile the S300 will detect targets at 400+ km and an effective range of:
400 km (40N6E missile)
200-250 km (48N6 missile)
120 km (9M96E2 missile)
40 km (9M96E missile)
All of Russia’s missiles are capable of in-flight targeting and retargeting by ground, satellite and air assets including drones.
So basically Russia can shoot down an Apache before the Apache can even see the Russians, let alone target them.
Posted by: Hermit | Jan 15 2023 0:45 utc | 118
People have short memories. Which helps Scott Ritter. He was bellowing with cocksurety that the war would end quickly and western weapons coming in would be gifts to the Russians. Then in a matter of months he was bellowing with cocksurety that Russia was in trouble and needed to declare war.
Posted by: Simon | Jan 15 2023 0:50 utc | 119
Hermit | Jan 15 2023 0:45 utc | 118
Russian missiles equipped with EW is also a whole new ballgame. I had read about it it and some months ago saw it captured on camera. The Russian cruse missiles place ghost targets in front of air defences shortly before they sail through. incredible to watch.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 15 2023 0:59 utc | 120
Simon | Jan 15 2023 0:50 utc | 119
Scot Ritter as a US marine became an ambassador for peace. He has seen war and seen the demonized enemy. He is military and sees geopolitics from a purely military aspect whereas war is an extension of politics. With that in mind he has much to add. On the one hand he sees things from the purely military aspect, on the other hand he is an ambassador for peace. Keep that in mind.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 15 2023 1:06 utc | 121
Ew missles? Well something new happened. Big explosions in kiev people are being told not to panic. Might be ballistic missles which apparently kievs anti air can’t target? Since when was a ballistic launch un interceptable?
Anyways, hits deep in lvov and lots of power out, whatever ukraine is intercepting it clearly isn’t saving their power plants, I’m dubious its intercepting anything useful actually. You can’t say your shooting down so much then expect people to believe that when the powers out.
And they keep saying russia is bombing using s300 anti air missles. I’m not sure that’s believable either far more likely it’s their missles landing around randomly like they keep ending up in other countries even.
Jesus you can get them to bomb themselves trying to get one cruise missle. This must be the most anti air missles used in one war.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jan 15 2023 1:09 utc | 122
@Peter AU1 | Jan 15 2023 0:59 utc | 120
They have also apparently successfully cloaked their aircraft from Aegis and suddenly appeared over US carriers during exercises without being intercepted. The US does not appeared to have learned anything from this experience.
Posted by: Hermit | Jan 15 2023 1:14 utc | 123
Hermit @ 118
So basically Russia can shoot down an Apache before the Apache can even see the Russians, let alone target them.
What’s interesting to me is who is piloting them? Takes years of training to fly these things, you have to fly, communicate with command, communicate with infantry, shoot guns, fire a mix of missiles, and defend yourself simultaneously. It has to be NATO pilots. Mirage, F-16, or Apache it’s NATO directly challenging Russia’s air space red line over Ukraine. More indications they are going full in.
I still think NATO is not going to let the AFU break and churn through all their first line expensive toys like they broke and churned through all their free inherited Soviet toys. The Leopards, Centurions, Bradleys, Apaches, and all the rest are for NATO soldiers to play with. Maybe only in support of Ukrainian infantry, but I’m betting a contingent of Polish and NATO “mercenary” infantry in their still dreamed of march to the sea of Azov. They can’t take back Donbas directly, they need to first break the RF forces in half.
Plan A… Plan B… Plan C… I think the above is the last viable plan they have. I hope, as plan X… Y… and Z is nukes.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 15 2023 1:21 utc | 124
The Russian General Surovikin (and associates) organized the withdrawal from Kherson (Ukraine).
The main reason Surovikin ordered Russian forces to withdraw was that the Russians had just comprehensively stopped the Ukrainian offensive. All was relatively quiet. Any counter-offensive would have punched a hole right through the Ukrainian lines, their forces would have been encircled, and destroyed. It was imperative that the Russians were pulled back before the precarious state of the Ukrainian forces became known.
At this time the Ukrainians were way overextended and were not able to fight this two front war. One front had to be closed down. As the front east of the Dnieper river was by far the stronger, Surovikin had the Russians abandon the front west of the Dnieper. To make sure that the Russians could not easily reopen this front, Surovikin had the southern bridges over the Dnieper blown up. That’s right, Surovikin blew up the bridges useful to the Russians. Surovikin never touched the bridges that were of vital importance to the Ukrainians. In fact, the northern bridges over the Dnieper are all still standing.
Surovikin claims that the 30,000 Russian soldiers west of Kherson could not be supplied with the necessary ammunition, etc. This of course is total garbage, considering that they had just done exactly this in stopping the Ukrainian Kherson offensive. Surovikin’s claim is simply a lie. Remember, back in February the whole 30,000 man army, with all its equipment, had crossed to Kherson within a couple of days. Similarly, when they withdrew. Thus in the weeks where the civilians were pulled out of Kherson, the 30,000 man army could have been heavily reinforced, and supplied with enough equipment to smash the Ukrainian forces, but, of course, this was not wanted.
Since there were no good excuses for pulling out of Kherson, Surovikin had to grasp at straws, suggesting that artillery/missile strikes could cause the sudden breaking of the Kakhovka dam, which would wash away the bridges, and trap the 30,000 man army west of the Dnieper. Of course, even thousands of hits on the dam would not result in catastrophic failure. A gradual uncontrolled leakage of water may have occurred, resulting in a short-term flooding of some areas but nothing that would wash away bridges. (And even if the bridges were lost it would be easy enough to resupply the men by landing craft, ferries, and other boats. Resupply by aircraft would likely be too dangerous.)
Another reason that the Russians were ordered out of Kherson is that the Ukrainians had no way to stop a determined advance toward Odessa. Without Kherson as a staging area the Russians would no longer have this option. If the Russians had tried to advance on Odessa they would have met minimal resistance. The reason the Ukrainians have to continually tell you how strong their forces are, is because they are not strong.
It is clear that as long as Surovikin (and associates) are in charge, there will be no Russian attempt to cut Ukrainian supply lines as the Ukrainian army would collapse in short time. The talk of a winter offensive to cut the supply lines is just talk. It will not happen as it would quickly lead to a Ukrainian defeat.
Surovikin will continue to claim that attacking into the teeth of the Ukrainian defenses is the only way to save Russian lives. As the Ukrainians sit in their concrete bunkers and mow down any exposed Russian forces, Surovikin will tell us that things have to be done this way, to save Russian lives. Any talk of finding one of the thousands of weak spots in the Ukrainian line, breaking through the line there, and attacking the concrete bunkers from the back, will be taboo. Since frontal attacks require wasting huge quantities of ammunition such attacks will probably continue till the Russians exhaust their supplies. The best tactic for destroying fortified positions will never be allowed.
And then Putin will give Surovikin a medal.
So, where have we seen the withdrawal of an army just after they had won the battle, so that they ended up losing. Yes, when Hitler ordered Manstein to withdraw just after he had broken through the southern front, and essentially won the world war two battle of Kursk. About that battle, Field Marshal Erich von Manstein, the commander of Army Group South said;
“Speaking for my own Army Group, I pointed out (to Hitler) that the battle was now at its culminating point, and that to break it off at this moment would be tantamount to throwing a victory away.”
Posted by: moreorless | Jan 15 2023 1:28 utc | 125
emersonreturn | Jan 15 2023 0:22 utc | 112
When the Yellowstone super caldera erupts it has the high likelihood of kicking the current extinction event up a couple of notches, and, given failure cascades in general and the many existential threats we already face, I’m not sure any humans could survive it. If I can work this out, them Russia can too. I have a great deal of confidence that Russia is aware of this too, and so would not attempt to weapons it, except possibly if they had determined that there is no chance of avoiding extinction due to US actions. In which case, it might be targeted directly or via resonance effects. One might speculate, but while there are hints in the literature, there is no solid underlying evidence, making any outcome possible, meaning that you learn more about the filters used by the speculator than one can about the subject. This can be dangerous because it usually leads to slippery slope thinking, particularly in defense circles which usually tens to paranoia anyway!
Posted by: Hermit | Jan 15 2023 1:32 utc | 126
@emersonreturn | Jan 15 2023 0:22 utc | 112
@Hermit | Jan 15 2023 1:32 utc | 126
Weapons => Weaponize
Fsck autokorekt!
Posted by: Hermit | Jan 15 2023 1:35 utc | 127
moreorless @ 125
Snooze… it’s late can’t you offer up something that will keep me awake? Such a lame troll you’ll never get promoted to a NED website.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 15 2023 1:42 utc | 128
@moreorless | Jan 15 2023 1:28 utc | 125
Which Russiaphonic agency did you claim to be with?
Where was it that you obtained your military qualifications?
Have you ever heard of The Dam Busters”?
You do know that the Ukrainians control one bank of the Dnieper River, the Russians the other, meaning that it would be vey difficult to prevent the launch of drone devices against the dam?
Posted by: Hermit | Jan 15 2023 1:43 utc | 129
City of London contains the Eye of the Octopus.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2023 17:38 utc | 18
I would guess so. Then where are the neurons of that gigantic octopus?
Posted by: Richard L | Jan 15 2023 1:48 utc | 130
Neofeudalfuture @ 122
Anyways, hits deep in lvov and lots of power out.
This time they hit power stations not transformers. Coup de grace is coming for the power grid just as the temp drops.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 15 2023 1:50 utc | 131
Posted by: Hermit | Jan 15 2023 0:45 utc | 118
Nice recap. I quoted the whole thing on Twitter. Too bad so few people are likely to see it before they start yelling “game-changer”.
Not to mention they’re only sending 4, claiming that such a group can “could wipe out an entire regiment of 70 tanks within moments.”
The reality, as this Popular Mechanics article from 2021, points out is that the Apache is getting long in the tooth:
The Apache Needs a New Long-Range Missile. Badly.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a36742981/army-apache-helicopter-needs-new-long-range-missile/
The Apache helicopter’s primary armament is the AGM-114 Hellfire, whose range hasn’t increased much since its development in the 1980s. That’s a problem, as a new generation of Russian and Chinese air defense systems have made the skies much more dangerous.
The Russian Tor (NATO code name: Gauntlet) surface-to-air missile system has a range of up to 9.3 miles, while the newer Pantsir S1 (Greyhound) system has a range of up to 12.4 miles. An Apache armed with Hellfire missiles would have to travel well within the combat range of a Pantsir S-1 to get into position to use its missiles…
In the 2003 invasion of Iraq, an attempted deep strike by 31 Apaches of the 3rd Infantry Division resulted in all but one of the Apaches being damaged, and one being shot down. The Apaches telegraphed their intentions by flying over regime-friendly territory, warning Iraqi air defenses, who proceeded to shoot up the helicopters. The Army never attempted a deep Apache strike again….
The article says the US Army wants a new longer-range missile than the Hellfire – to start development in 2023 through 2028… a little late to the game.
Other comments I’ve seen is that the Apache is a “Hangar Queen”, spending most of its time in maintenance. The US Government Accounting Office (GAO) had this to say about that in 1990:
Army’s Apache Helicopter Has Proven Difficult to Support
https://www.gao.gov/products/t-nsiad-90-33
(3) the Apache’s fully mission-capable rate averaged 49 percent for 1989; (4) fully mission-capable rates decreased as units aged and accumulated flight hours; (5) frequent failures of key components and high demands for maintenance and parts were major contributors to the low availability rates; (6) there were not enough replacement parts, maintenance personnel, or maintenance equipment to keep up with the maintenance burden, and the Army heavily relied on contractors to alleviate the burden; (7) Apache logistics support problems were attributable to such problems as failure to address numerous required design changes before production, focus on high production rates, omission of a low-rate production phase and follow-on operational testing, staffing constraints, and unrealistic estimates of reliability and maintainability requirements; (8) logistics support problems were likely to increase under more demanding sustained combat conditions; and (9) the Army formed an Apache Action Team to coordinate several Army components’ and contractors’ corrective action efforts.
– RSH
Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Jan 15 2023 1:56 utc | 132
As ukroide lad goes down so many anglo/euro new name trolls appear here.
Snow niggers are raping your babies….
USD since bush at least has divided the post soviet world into the for and against. Fence straddlers will be uncomfortably impaled on that picket fence.
Spruik your bullshit and take your paycheck as others do. No one finds their way to this blog to promote US/Anglo rules based order unless they are paid to do so. enjoy while you can. Those who are dumb enough to promote US dominance will end up in piles like in the videos of the Ukroids of Soledar. You are nothing but cannon fodder.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 15 2023 1:57 utc | 133
Russia been fucking around and is about to find out.
Posted by: Muthaucker | Jan 15 2023 1:57 utc | 134
Posted by: Muthaucker | Jan 15 2023 1:57 utc | 134
Enjoy your butt hurt as Russia levels your country, Ukrainian.
– RSH
Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Jan 15 2023 2:15 utc | 135
Such talk goes into what Jung describes as the Universal Unconscious, a sphere where the thoughts and feelings of the whole of humanity are interacting and formulating into a ruling passion. This shit needs to be cut off at the pass. The more people who get caught up in fears of a nuclear holocaust; the more likely it is to occur.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2023 17:44 utc | 20
I would call it common beliefs shared by the people who trust the media. However there is no reason for the Octopus to destroy the world if the aim is just to control it, Is this talk of a nuclear war a sign that the Octopus is becoming disorganized? On the contrary, a good campaign to promote fear is likely to disorganize any velleity of opposition to the puppet politicians.
With fear firmly installed, the politicians have a free hand to vote any laws they wish.
The battlefield is still just Ukraine and most of the fighting occurs in the Eastern and Soufhern parts of the country. Putin has still shown no interest in capturing the whole of Ukraine. Projections of a Winter offensive are still just that: rhetoric. Russia has no hegemonic objectives and Putin surely knows how many Soviet officials died as a result of the CIA sponsored resistance in Western Ukraine after WWII as I read in a recent historic review post.
Posted by: Richard L | Jan 15 2023 2:26 utc | 136
Posted by: Hermit | Jan 15 2023 0:45 utc | 118 “basically Russia can shoot down an Apache before the Apache can even see the Russians, let alone target them.”
If all that you write is true, why are there any Ukrainian helicopters or aircraft flying along front lines?
And do the Russians know this: “All of Russia’s missiles are capable of in-flight targeting and retargeting by ground, satellite and air assets including drones.” ?
What Russian satellites have this capability? How many of these satellites do they have?
Posted by: Bill Smith | Jan 15 2023 2:29 utc | 137
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 15 2023 1:21 utc | 124 “What’s interesting to me is who is piloting them? Takes years of training to fly these things”
It does not take years of training. Especially for someone who is already flying Ukrainian helicopters in combat. 40 hours in a simulator and then maybe 2 times that practicing? Over 3 months?
Maintaining them is entirely another question. And they require lots of maintenance.
Posted by: Bill Smith | Jan 15 2023 2:36 utc | 138
Bill Smith | Jan 15 2023 2:29 utc | 137
What is the survival hours of ukroid eastern European aircraft? Ukraine had a lage mothballed fleet. Soviet Europe has bee denuded of armaments. This war against Russia is so reminiscent of spaghetti westerns. Everything the anglo world throws at Russia gets destroyed.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 15 2023 2:36 utc | 139
Posted by: garfeld | Jan 14 2023 16:10 utc | 2
the nuclear option
i’m on like a broken record about it, especially since now they’re ranting about it again (nukes in japan? cuz russia!)
i’m praying that enough of the world has told the u.s. that it is a dead man walking if it even thinks about a nuke false flag or attack.
Posted by: polarbear4 | Jan 15 2023 2:40 utc | 140
hermit@112. follows my ponderings, although i’ve puzzled if yellowstone mightn’t be unsettled by all the other disruptions. thank you.
Posted by: emersonreturn | Jan 15 2023 2:45 utc | 141
Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 14 2023 23:10 utc | 98
F-16s? Geez seems like those would be available on the used market by now.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 15 2023 2:46 utc | 142
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 15 2023 2:36 utc | 139 “What is the survival hours of ukroid eastern European aircraft?”
Don’t know, what is your guess?
My guess is that its something greater than 1 sorties as Ukrainian aircraft and helicopters are still flying combat missions. And still striking Russian anti aircraft missile sites with HARM armed Mig-29’s and SU-27s. The numbers or sorties given out for Ukrainian Air Forces is still about an average of 10 to 20 a day. This is day 320 something? So Ukraine has flown over 3,000 sorties?
Posted by: Bill Smith | Jan 15 2023 2:47 utc | 143
LOL since the moon landing has been brought up, it reminded me of a movie called “Room 237” which dissects Stanley Kubrick’s “The Shining” according to multiple theories, of which one is that the moon landing was NOT fake, but that video capabilities were not such that the footage broadcast would have been possible, hence Kubrick was hired to stage manage a re-enactment. Pretty fascinating. It also gets into the Native American genocide, and I find far more merit to that theory than the others.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr7TEVvjqw
And strictly related to the Native American question, I recommend this podcast turned YouTube video that has some pretty fascinating history lessons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkE8_Kx97oU That’s just Part 1 and I suspect they’ll also touch on the Apollo 11 stuff in a later episode.
Sorry for O/T.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 15 2023 2:52 utc | 144
Posted by: paddy | Jan 15 2023 0:43 utc | 116
“there are a small and well supported [by the atlanticists and neocons] cadre of russians who supported the west’s pillaging of russia in the early 1990’s.”
Yes, in fact the same demographic of angry affluent middle class is routinely mobilised by the CIA as part of its regime change schemes. It’s almost a defining characteristic. Recently we’ve seen it in Venezuela, Cuba, Hong Kong and Brazil, to name a few. I’m sure barflies can think of other examples.
Posted by: TPaine | Jan 15 2023 3:23 utc | 145
@LightYearsFromHome | Jan 15 2023 1:21 utc | 124
I had the same 5hoight, but they are claiming that they are going to trained Ukrainians. Presumably the mean Ukrainian rotary wing pilots. Then I wondered if they realized what they are getting themselves into. When the US tried to retrain Afghan pilots, used to reliable Soviet equipment that can be used, and abused, like a bus, on complex, fragile US equipment, the Afghans broke so much of it that the US gave up and bought used Soviet equipment instead. Apparently the UK is about to repeat the experiment. Do they expect a different result?
Posted by: Hermit | Jan 15 2023 3:31 utc | 146
Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 15 2023 2:46 utc | 142
The F-16 is just a very expensive lawn dart which has not been delivered to the US military since 2005. At this point, even if you fully stripped all the hanger queens around the world for parts, you still probably couldn’t return more than a third of them remaining formally on the books to flight capable, let alone combat capable status.
Posted by: Hermit | Jan 15 2023 3:38 utc | 147
Mike Whitney posts a persuasive argument that the neocons drive the west to direct war with Russia. I very much like V. Putin’s point that if war is inevitable, strike first. Maybe Russia will do its own false flag, and trigger Art. 5, and maybe destory the missile sites in Romania and Poland. My guess, and it is only that, is that the Russians will then blockade Europe (why fight on the ground when the tank/soldier never makes it to Europe?). This could include the LNG tankers, too. I would think diesel electric boats with Zircon can stop re-supply, I think, from their berths in St. Petersburg and Sevastopol. Wouldn’t they do that? Doesn’t that lead to peace really quick since the Americans cannot re-supply? Here is Mike Whitney’s post: https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/is-biden-being-blackmailed-to-send-us-combat-troops-to-ukraine/
Posted by: johnf_1 | Jan 15 2023 3:45 utc | 148
A whole lot of screamfest in Twitter, that Russia has used S 300 to hit an apartment building. I scratched my head why Russia would use S 300 for this purpose. Then it dawned on me it is a failed Ukrainian defence. Am I right?
Posted by: Old Brown Fool | Jan 15 2023 3:51 utc | 149
“Whether this is correct or not, it is a good time to get right with God in true repentance submitting to Jesus Christ as your Lord.” Posted by: young | Jan 14 2023 16:23 utc | 4
Which “God”? I asked the question some time ago, and I will ask it again: which “god”? Thousands of gods have been invented by human morons. Most of these countless gods have long been dead (as H.L. Mencken pointed out some time ago), while some still linger on, as impotent as always. So what could be tragically wrong with a dude like “Young”?
Posted by: Konrad | Jan 15 2023 4:12 utc | 150
The Duran has a new long video up. Haven’t listened to it yet (and not sure I will) but the topic seems to be about Russia shifting focus from Europe to Eurasia, so perhaps some of you will find it interesting.
Russia, from Greater Europe to Greater Eurasia w/Sergey Karaganov, Alexander Mercouris, Glenn Diesen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uLADN-bMuc
– RSH
Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Jan 15 2023 4:26 utc | 151
Posted by: Bill Smith | Jan 15 2023 2:47 utc | 143
“The numbers or sorties given out for Ukrainian Air Forces is still about an average of 10 to 20 a day.”
And your source is? Right – Ukraine…. Or the Institute for the Study of War – which is the same thing…
Show me a Russian statement where Ukraine sorties are that high per day. Or you know, STFU, troll.
Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Jan 15 2023 4:29 utc | 152
⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ War Map and the Situation on the Fronts in the Evening of 14 Jan 2023; pub. 0:05⚡️
🎯 Retaliation strikes have swept sharply into 2023. An air-raid alert was issued across 404 today, but not immediately. First in the morning there were spot strikes on infrastructure in #Kiev and #Kharkov. In the second half of the day, however, there was already a place to turn. Arrivals are known in #Odessa, #Dnepropetrovsk, #KrivoyRog, #Vinnitsa and other regions of the country. Of course, the event caused blackouts in some regions. As we can see, the “patriots” did not help, well, they did not get there.
⚔️ Situation on the Fronts over for past Day
♦️#Svatovo – #Kremennaya Direction:
Russian artillery and army aviation worked on militant units in the areas of #Pershotravnevoye, #Berestovoye in #Kharkov region and #Novoselovskoye. Also, two Ukrainian armed groups were destroyed near #Tabaevka and #Pershotravnevoye in #Kharkov region. In addition, units of two AFU brigades were hit by our artillery in the areas of #Grigorovka and #Serebryanka of the DPR. A Nazi sabotage and reconnaissance group was eliminated in the vicinity of #Shipilovka.
♦️#Ugledar Direction:
The DPR units of the airborne troopers and marines worked on the militants in the areas of #Vodyanoye, #Dobrovolye and #Prechistovka. Also in the vicinity of #Novomikhailovka and #Shevchenko, two enemy SRGs were eliminated.
💥 An American M777 system was detected and destroyed near #Volchansk, #Kharkov region. Also, two 2S3 Akatsiya SAUs were destroyed near Vasilyevka in the DPR. In addition, two US AN/TPQ-36 and AN/TPQ-50 radars were destroyed near #Kirovsk, DPR and #Uspenovka in #Zaporozhye region.
💡 Today, once again, the Ukrainian air defense system “distinguished itself” by provoking a tragedy in #Dnepropetrovsk. An entire hallway collapsed, suggesting there could have been a secondary detonation. Zelensky recorded a pathetic appeal to the West to give them more weapons, and by nightfall Arestovich admitted: the missile was hit over the house by air defence, it fell and detonated.
Posted by: Down South | Jan 15 2023 4:32 utc | 153
In the Kharkiv region, the SBU mined a granary, in which it is planned to accuse the Russian Federation of deliberately undermining it in order to achieve new supplies of weapons
This is stated in an urgent statement of the Interdepartmental Coordination Headquarters of the Russian Federation for Humanitarian Response in Ukraine. Undermining a granary in Karaichny, Kharkiv region, according to the plan of the SBU, should discredit the Russian Federation and give a reason to accuse it of “deliberately destroying grain reserves in Ukraine”, “provoking famine” and “failing”, thus, the “grain deal”. For the expected effect, it is planned to actively use Western media.
A group of Ukrainian mine-explosive specialists and SBU officers, totaling up to 30 people, have already arrived in Volchansk, Kharkiv region, to carry out the indicated provocation. The data of all members of the criminal group, including a freelance employee of the SBU, in whose name the granary is registered, was promptly established.
The main goal of this provocation is to increase pressure on Western countries on the eve of the upcoming meeting of NATO defense ministers in Ramstein (Germany) on January 20 for new deliveries of modern weapons and equipment, as well as to divert attention from the latest military failures of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/29009
Posted by: Down South | Jan 15 2023 4:35 utc | 154
Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Jan 15 2023 1:56 utc | 132
Very informative post, thank you!
“high demands for maintenance”
Oh my, that should be a red flag for equipment considered for Ukraine. Sending these Apaches sounds great to the public, we associate it with being a sexy* weapon, but ultimately it getting sent could be in part a cynical move by the MIC. ” … and we also need to make up for the loss of hundreds of millions of dollars of Apaches, along with all their replacement parts and maintenance equipment”.
It’s like giving Santa one of your old toys to pass on to a needy child, and then telling your folks, “Well I guess I’ll be needing a new toy”.
*I’m a yooge admirer of Sean Young, I just got through rewatching her in the Carl Reiner comedy, Fatal Attraction, and once upon a time she did a cheesy movie with Nicholas Cage and Tommy Lee Jones called Fire Birds. Back when VHS tapes were big, it was a decent rental, and she looked nice. 🙂 Cage played an up and coming Apache helicopter pilot. Decent aerial sequences.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_Birds
#Apache #FIREBIRDS #IAMTHEGREATEST
Apache Pilot REACTS to FIRE BIRDS (1990) | Mover Ruins Movies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTIM92Y5S3s
Posted by: Babel-17 | Jan 15 2023 4:37 utc | 155
Research institute set to switch over to Russian-made equipment for lunar mission
This year, the Space Research Institute (IKI) of the Russian Academy of Sciences will start transitioning the scientific equipment for Luna 27, a planned lunar lander mission, to Russian-made components, a senior IKI researcher told TASS.
“This year, we will definitely work with” Luna 27, Igor Mitrofanov, who heads the Nuclear Planetology Department at IKI, said. “We will start using Russian-made equipment,” he specified.
The researcher said these processes were necessitated by import substitution. “Previously, we designed equipment using foreign components that we could buy from our foreign colleagues. Now that the sanctions have been imposed, we will [be switching to] Russian-made components,” Mitrofanov explained. According to him, researchers have to change design solutions amid the Western restrictions.
The Luna 26 mission was originally planned for 2024, Luna 27 for 2025, and Luna 28 for 2027-2028. Last fall, Mitrofanov told TASS that the launches might be postponed by up to two years because of import substitution.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/29014
Posted by: Down South | Jan 15 2023 4:37 utc | 156
US reserves due to the supply of ammunition to Ukraine may reach a critical level, according to The Wall Street Journal.
“Ukraine is using up Western-supplied artillery shells about twice as fast as the United States and allies are producing. At this rate, Kyiv could reduce US and European reserves to critical levels this summer or fall,” the newspaper notes.
By that time, the publication says, Russia may expand the production of ammunition. The US and allies are also investing in new production lines, but this is unlikely to make much of a difference until next year, creating a potentially dangerous gap between Russian and Ukrainian firepower in the second half of 2023.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/29015
Posted by: Down South | Jan 15 2023 4:38 utc | 157
@ Old Brown Fool | Jan 15 2023 3:51 utc | 149
“a failed Ukrainian defence. Am I right?” – correct… but think of the propaganda value in thinking the opposite…keep your audience illiterate… that is how successful propaganda works.. it can’t work when people understand how things work..
Posted by: james | Jan 15 2023 4:39 utc | 158
F-16s? Geez seems like those would be available on the used market by now.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 15 2023 2:46 utc | 142
We just sold 32 of those sleds to Romania. F16s
(Prolly to clear parking places and help pay for some F35s.)
Posted by: waynorinorway | Jan 15 2023 4:41 utc | 159
⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦💡 @Rybar: The Strike on the Burshtynskaya Thermal Power Plant⚡️
💥 In today’s massive strike, the RF Armed Forces hit several energy infrastructure facilities. Some time later, a photo of the aftermath of one of the arrivals appeared on the web.
By the characteristic U-shaped supports visible through the destroyed roof, as well as their location, our team determined that the Burshtynskaya Thermal Power Plant in the Ivano-Frankovsk region was in the frame.
Judging by the image, the missiles struck the turbine hall of the plant. At least three of the plant’s 12 generators are seriously damaged and the destruction of the building itself and the technical pipelines and steam lines make it difficult to operate the rest.
Coordinates: 49.2106960, 24.6661010
In this case, we can actually state that the Burshtynskaya Thermal Power Plant has been put out of commission. Indirectly, these assumptions are confirmed by the report of the Ukrainian company DTEK that one of the power plants has stopped generating energy after today’s attack by the RF Armed Forces.
♦️ What else is remarkable about the strike on the Burshtynskaya TPP?
➖ This is the second time turbine halls have been hit: with the exception of the December arrival at the #Dnepr HPP in #Zaporozhye (see 👉 Report), the targets of previous attacks were autotransformers.
➖ At Burshtynskaya HPP it was also possible to regulate the power at the turbines with a rapid load set depending on consumption parameters. This allowed the balancing of the power system in both the western and central parts of the country.
📌 Therefore, a breakdown of the region’s largest thermal power plant would have a critical impact on energy supplies, not only in #Transcarpathia, but also in other neighbouring regions.
Posted by: Down South | Jan 15 2023 4:41 utc | 160
We are a speck of dust driven by the fairy-est of spirits of our choice, into an enormous current in an immense sea, heading towards a catastrophic collision with a similar enormity. If we see inevitable doom in this, we have only two choices; we simple cease to effectively exist, OR we earnestly beg for help from the one that we do trust with the ability and willingness to help. If he hear us, we may find that he-that-forever-excisted sufficient in all things, and staying with him entirely safe.
Posted by: bergbobbejaan | Jan 15 2023 4:50 utc | 161
Regarding the nuclear discussions: Approximately 40 years ago I formulated the opinion that human beings are a hopelessly failed species, destined for extinction. I have never seen a reason to alter that opinion in the ensuing years. When I was a sci-fi fan in my teens and early 20s, I imagined the wonders awaiting humans in the depths of space. Now I’m revolted at the thought of humans imposing their violent and corrupt behavior on innocent and benign beings living in some distant paradise. Luckily for them, there’s a universal law (IMO) that species such as ours can never reach the stars before self-destructing.
Posted by: lunarlaundromat | Jan 15 2023 4:56 utc | 162
Re: Posted by: young | Jan 14 2023 16:23 utc | 4
Here you are again – on about nuclear war – isn’t it tiresome?
Besides – Russia has FIVE “ribs in its mouth” if you want to use that analogy – Kherson, Luhansk, Donetsk, Crimea & Zaporizhzhia – FIVE.
The analogy of “THREE ribs” is therefore discredited.
Posted by: Julian | Jan 15 2023 5:26 utc | 163
Posted by: Elmagnostic | Jan 14 2023 19:13 utc | 49
AND putin was doing his best to create security and was dismissed. he even asked to be a part of nato, iirc, at one point. minsk protocols, etc.
https://labourheartlands.com/jacques-baud-the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine-update/
Posted by: polarbear4 | Jan 15 2023 5:40 utc | 164
this is pretty close to directly related, i mean pr is an integral part of it all. top 19 Zelensky PR moments from Caitlin Johnstone
https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2023/01/14/top-20-most-cringeworthy-zelensky-pr-moments/
Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 15 2023 6:06 utc | 165
Richard L #130
Then where are the neurons of that gigantic octopus?
An octopus has a brain in each tentacle. Not sure if they are linked any further than they know where the mouth is. I read this years ago in a research paper so I give it a reasonable probability of being correct. I DO NOT read wikipedia.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 15 2023 6:34 utc | 166
On Bill Smith and Luthers rage against the BS
THIS; “The numbers or sorties given out for Ukrainian Air Forces is still about an average of 10 to 20 a day.”….
….Is flight simulator data. OK, so BS believes in the infallibility of the machine.. except when the batteries go flat in his dildo.
Remain calm Luther, my shout at the bar of infinite indulgence.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 15 2023 6:44 utc | 167
❗️From Ukrainian TG channels:
🔺It is not excluded that the missile that hit the house in the Dnieper could be Russian, but they still tend to believe that it was a “crooked” air defense system (in the case of a Russian one, the whole house would be carried). In any case, the tragedy is beneficial to Kyiv, since it will give the right to demand more air defense and weapons, help shift the focus from the defeat at Soledar and attract the attention of Western society, showing Russia as the aggressor.
🔺 The weak effectiveness of the air defense is associated with fog and the changed tactics of the airborne forces, which launch a large number of decoys and first work out on the radar and air defense systems, after which they strike at the infrastructure.
🔺 The United States recommends that Zelensky not burn the reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and withdraw troops from Bakhmut to advantageous positions.
🔺The Office of the President decided to ban the media from publishing footage of the “trapping” of men and the negative of society regarding mobilization. It is necessary to create the appearance that this is not the case.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/29034
Posted by: Down South | Jan 15 2023 7:03 utc | 168
‼️🇬🇧🇺🇦In addition to tanks, the UK is going to send attack helicopters to Ukraine.
The British edition of the Mirror, citing a source from the defense sector, writes that the UK will send not only tanks, but also four attack helicopters equipped with Hellfire missiles to Ukraine.
According to the publication, the Apache AH64 E, the most modern version of these helicopters, will be sent. Each helicopter can be equipped with 16 Hellfire anti-tank rounds, 76 70mm Hydra rockets, and a 30-mm chain gun.
“Apache will be a game changer.” The tanks will arrive first, and it will take some time before the helicopters can be deployed. Other NATO members will now follow suit. Russia has thousands of tanks, so more than four Apaches would be needed to deliver a strategic strike. “But from a tactical point of view, this is an important step,” the source said.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/29036
Posted by: Down South | Jan 15 2023 7:05 utc | 169
Barflies of Perpetual Indulgence here is a session for you.
We have DPA, Weeb Union, History Legends and New World Econ contemplating the ‘front’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iemw-ByQjA
25 minutes. Bring drinks.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 15 2023 7:17 utc | 170
addendum to my #170
here is part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJWkO9Hc8GI&t=70s
here is part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z65TlEFNEzY
🙂
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 15 2023 7:22 utc | 171
Hermit@ 83
The undersea nuclear bomb tidal wave is a Hollywood myth.
Any wave is constrained to about the seafloor depth. As the high amplitude/short wavelength tidal wave approaches the shore, the wave’s potential energy is converted into kinetic energy. Thus the tidal wave will be converted to a fast-moving surge of a few feet which will smash into anything in its path at high speed. This surge will thus move far inland and can even sweep up mountains to hundreds of feet.
Posted by: Krollchem | Jan 15 2023 7:23 utc | 172
@aristodemos | Jan 14 2023 19:20 utc | 52
@Aleph_Null
While we keep sidling off into fascinating NOT Ukraine territory:
I’m enjoying Aleph_Null’s natural cardinality which mathematically refutes the assertion that there are “no coincidences”.
Seriously, the “metaphysical” is a long dead sidetrack into a purely imaginary why of things, rather than useful investigation of what, if anything, is. It was thoroughly killed in its sleep by Wittgenstein in 1921 with the publication of Tractatus Logico Philosophicus (1921). “Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.”
I’m rather a fan of rational materialism myself, as there is no evidence that any other approach leads, or even can lead, to predictive models of the more than imaginary
Posted by: Hermit | Jan 15 2023 7:23 utc | 173
@Likklemore | Jan 14 2023 23:10 utc | 98
Turkey can buy much better aircraft for much less money from China or Russia. So having broken every condition made for allowing the US to use it’s airports in Gulf War I and it’s airspace in Gulf War II, and denied Turkey the eponymous F-35, I suspect that blocking sales of the long obsolete lawn dart will free Turkey of it’s obligations to purchase NATO compatible equipment made in the USA, to Turkey’s great benefit.
Posted by: Hermit | Jan 15 2023 7:32 utc | 174
Posted by: Hermit | Jan 15 2023 7:32 utc | 174
and to NATO’s detriment. Down goes NATO!–in Howard Cosell voice.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 15 2023 7:45 utc | 175
“UK sends Apache helicopters armed with deadly Hellfire missiles to Ukraine.”LightYearsFromHome | Jan 14 2023 23:37 utc | 106
Could nice Mr Sunak send the Duke of California to pilot it as well, please?
Posted by: janesh | Jan 15 2023 7:55 utc | 176
@ 103
” Ann B
Life for people in the Marshall Islands is horrific. Cancer rates, birth defects, poverty, poor health are the norm. The Islanders get to serve the bases and live is shacks. Their food sources from the ocean are long gone so they get to eat the left over crap from the base. The a toll is a dead zone thanks to massive nuclear explosions. They brought the Islanders back saying it was safe so they could research the. More Nazi behavior from my country. They are treated like dirt, just like everyone who lives and works near a base. Every american base is a superfund site that they never clean up. ”
Have you been there? I was there. Marshall Islands (multiple) are the most corrupt, f*ckd up places I have ever been. Much worse then the nearby Truk Islands or Ukraine. (My dinghy with outboard is now somewhere in Ukraine) It has nothing to do with America. Its a local thing. Family terror. The “politicians” are openly robbing the inhabitants. Fishing has been sold to the Chinese. Hundreds of this fishingboats have devastet the ocean. The sea around Majuro is one gigantic garbage dump.
Posted by: Guest | Jan 15 2023 8:11 utc | 177
@Juliana
Haven’t seen you post since Orthodox Christmas.
You ok?
Not intending to distress you with this.
But it will confirm everything you (and we) understand about the blue and yellow nazi regime.
https://twitter.com/Bernade58733135/status/1613497826545115136
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 15 2023 8:13 utc | 178
@Krollchem | Jan 15 2023 7:23 utc | 172
But you misunderstood. In neither of the “tidal wave” scenarios I mentioned is the explosion, nuclear or conventional, the cause. In both instances it is a trigger. In the Atlantic, by dropping half of Cumbre Vieja, a volcanic mountain that lost the support for about half its base in 1948 and which is currently at risk of falling into a deep marine trench, and in the case of the Pacific, by releasing measured hung-up tectonic movement along the Cascadia fault, of which the San Andreus is just the tip.. Both events, like the Madrid Fault and a Carrington Event, are completely inevitable, and have been extensively modelled as two of the top ten greatest threats to the USA by seismologists and geophysicists. Refer e.g. Jones Lucy Dr. (2018-04-17). The Big Ones: How Natural Disasters Have Shaped Us (and What We Can Do About Them). Doubleday.
In all these cases a suitable nudge is likely all that is required – and the USGS performs extensive modelling of these events because they pose enormous threats in their own right, even before investigating the inevitable failure cascades and consequential damages.
By the way, you are also wrong about nuclear devices being unable to create a tidal wave, because, as Fourier proves, given appropriate impedance matching, a correctly designed point stimulus sequence can always generate the same result as any wave irrespective of it’s complexity. It would depend on where and how the devices were positioned, how many were used, the power of the devices and the timing of the detonation. I am reasonably certain that I could handle the necessary maths with appropriate software (it is basically a lot simpler than a shaped charge design because you are dealing with an incompressible viscous fluid), and I know that there are a lot of people in the world who know more about all these topics and are much more competent with Navier-Stokes equations than I, so I would never say never.
Posted by: Hermit | Jan 15 2023 8:17 utc | 179
@CharlesLutherThanos | Jan 15 2023 1:56 utc | 132
Total agreement. It is a stupid joke that is going to cost the West a lot of money, and probably cost a bunch of Ukrainian lives to no military effect. It likely will arrive too late to participate in the conflict, but in the event I’m wrong and it does, and by a miracle they can find enough fuel (helicopters use a lot, converting chemical energy into acoustic energy as they do) it will still be a challenge to get all the random collection of parts to fly in an approximation of a close formation, and then, even if they can get it to do that, it will most likely be shot down before accomplishing anything.
Sounds like a perfect example of English insanity, like training a cricket team, and alternates, then flying them halfway around the world in an attempt to knock tiny sticks clumsily balanced on other sticks to the ground, hoping that those who are in can get out – only to fail hopelessly practically every time.
Posted by: Hermit | Jan 15 2023 8:40 utc | 180
@pretzelattack | Jan 15 2023 7:45 utc | 175
I had to look him up. LOL. Thanks.
Posted by: Hermit | Jan 15 2023 8:45 utc | 181
uncle tungsten | Jan 15 2023 6:34 utc | 166
There is a central brain that makes requests e.g. grab that, open that, put that in my mouth, and provides feedback to the arm’s brains.
Shigeno, S., Andrews, P. L., Ponte, G., & Fiorito, G. (2018). Cephalopod Brains: An overview of current knowledge to facilitate comparison with vertebrates. Frontiers in Physiology, 9. https://doi.org/10.3389/fphys.2018.0010.3389/fphys.2018.00952952.
Posted by: Hermit | Jan 15 2023 9:02 utc | 182
Now that British newsprint media is gushing that UK will send 4 Apache helps to Ukraine it is hard to credit the stupidity of Sunak unsettled as he is by Fat Oaf Johnson visiting Kiev again.
Then again Sunak is a “mummy’s boy” fashioned by his dominating mother into being even weaker than Olaf Scholz who ranks alongside Macron for sheer lack of character.
Russia has watched these pawns manoeuvred by Washington and Warsaw just as in 1939 and bided its time. The German news that it will take until 2024 to fit out Leos for combat is fascinating insight into readiness of Bundeswehr and Rheinmetall.
As for Poland it has money – credit notes – to burn but no manpower. It is pinned by Belarus which is there for Poland not Ukraine.
Western populations are remarkably docile considering where their crackpot “leaders” are being directed
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 15 2023 9:29 utc | 183
Posted by: Hermit | Jan 15 2023 7:32 utc | 174
Turkey was a major subcontractor for the F-35.
Erdogan has no reason to trust his Air Force since they were behind the coup Russia warned him about. Those officers were NATO and US-oriented. The last thing Erdogan needs is a software plane programmed by the US with “permissions” as to what sensors/arms are activated or disarmed.
Likewise he wanted S-400 to have personal control over the means to ensure his own life
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 15 2023 9:32 utc | 184
Interesting times.
The war drags on. Country 404 conscripts are KIA/WIA rates exceed the supply of fresh flies arriving in the overloaded vans sporting fake red crosses. Toyota fallover technicals are being destroyed at four times the current production rate. Any vehicle bar the one sporting red crosses. Frontline service life is measured in minutes.
With fixed and mobile drones a seemingly endless rain destroys all mobile targets with 152mm Krasnopol’s.
Free Terra Europa/Terror Radio in Prague recycles country 404 military wrecks. Then says we destroyed more Russians today!
Meanwhile, Sgt”I know Nothing” Scholtz a wannabee Diktator of United New Germ States. Demanding the return of Kalingrad in East Poopa.
Has issued new decrees banning all freedom of speech. Media censors were appointed to allow only good news. Ukraine is good Russia is a very bad bear. To be aired or printed.
To accommodate all 100 % unemployed from the graduating classes of 2020 to 22/23 be conscripted for military service. Since tens of thousands of the existing all-volunteer Army on the Rhine. Have applied to migrate to New Zealand.
Arrest warrants have been issued for the arrest of the entire clan of the
notorious Lipp family of spies and traitors. Best of luck serving an international arrest warrant on Alina L., in Donetz City RF.
Who knew that reporting the news from the Donbas region is now a capital crime, in the new United Germ States? Worthy of the firing squad public execution./s
Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jan 15 2023 9:43 utc | 185
Posted by: nonaZ | Jan 15 2023 9:57 utc | 186
So the Apaches and the Challengers are to be vectored by the AWACS………otherwise the comms systems will not function with Ukrainian systems
That suggests a very deep involvement
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 15 2023 10:02 utc | 186
Old Brown Fool | Jan 15 2023 3:51 utc | 149
>…”why Russia would use S 300 for this purpose. Then it dawned on me it is a failed Ukrainian defence. Am I right?”
Yep.
Here’s Arestovych saying exactly that.
https://twitter.com/Trollstoy88/status/1614387201722171392
https://twitter.com/PanasukPetr/status/1614383883541176334
Within an hour twitter confirmed he was a Putin employee.
Memes were made
https://twitter.com/Trollstoy88/status/1614384142329982977
and the Defence Of Ukraine had repudiated.
>>…”Ukrainian Ministry of Defense claims that Kh 22 that fell on building in Dnipro could not have been shot down by air defense. Because Ukraine does not have means to shoot down Kh 22.
6 months ago Ukrainians claimed to have shot down KH 22 over Odessa”
https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1614409822899765251
And of course, the screeching chorus of obligatory death threats…
{not gonna link}
But a s300 fired into an apartment block is what caused the destruction.
And another Ukrainian AA missile landed in Moldova….. but that’s OK.
>>>……”Found in Moldova, fragments of a 5V55 anti-aircraft guided missile from the S-300 air defense system of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Yes, again.”
https://twitter.com/Trollstoy88/status/1614289268670701568
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Russia looking very prepped for whatever comes next
https://twitter.com/Trollstoy88/status/1614294362174939141
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Q: Then where are the neurons of that gigantic octopus?
A: I’d reckon the cloaca is Kiev
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 15 2023 10:07 utc | 187
Meanwhile, Sgt”I know Nothing” Scholtz a wannabee Diktator of United New Germ States. Demanding the return of Kalingrad in East Poopa.
Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jan 15 2023 9:43 utc | 185
The funny thing is that they tried to sell Kaliningrad to Germany some 30 years ago, but Kohl declined with Genscher adding they wouldn’t take Kaliningrad even as a present.
The AngloSaxons back then were very afraid that such deal will move Russia and Germany even closer after the Russians allowed the annexation of the DDR.
Posted by: Vikichka | Jan 15 2023 10:12 utc | 188
The Mirror story, is I think, a cynical attempt to try to convince the meat into continuing to go into the grinder, by promising future ‘wunderwaffen’ if they just hang on a bit longer. The Nazis did just the same thing, go figure. AH-64’s are vulnerable to MANPADS, one of the reasons they were not deployed in Kosovo, their effectiveness is linked to their integration with other combat support systems that Ukraine does not have. The wide use of drones, would not only greatly reduce the efficacy of NAP and pop-up tactics but enable designation for CLGP projectiles. Worse, they would have to operate far behind the FEBA, to prevent conventional artillery strikes, risking interception, delaying response times and burning precious fuel.
The proposed deployment raises so many questions that I’d see it as an indicator of a growing sense of panic, as the reality of the trajectory of the conflict becomes ever harder to disguise. These pronouncements are totemic responses, incantations that evoke memories of past victories. Altogether now, Challenger, Apache, MLRS what next Harrier….ooops! They were all sold off.
Posted by: Milites | Jan 15 2023 10:15 utc | 189
How amusing. way back in July 2019, I think I read about that item.
I think it was from this article”
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2019/07/17/turkey-officially-kicked-out-of-f-35-program/
Scratches head
TURKIYE a new country. Not to be confused with the usual USSA thanksgiving annual fat-overfed GM* modified corn sacrificial bird. Was offered a few billion air dollars from the 1.5 trillion F-35(all marks) pie.
* possibly contains an active human genome modifier virus? Who knows how insane all inbred USSA plant geneticists are?/s
Well, I guess Turkiye will not be purchasing that new naval flagship TCG Kemal Attaturk from USSA shipyards.
Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jan 15 2023 10:24 utc | 190
Melaleuca | Jan 15 2023 10:07 utc | 188 and Old Brown Fool
S-300 warhead is too small to create that. 100 + kg vs 500 or so in a cruise missile. Possibly damaged cruise misile but going by the lack of high numbers of civilian casualties, there is more than what the ghost of Kiev government presents to us.
I would assume there are high numbers of military casualties.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 15 2023 10:27 utc | 191
Hermit @173
Rationalistic materialism, born in the mental womb of Rene des Cartes and rewound by the Neo-Darwinists is simply ridiculous and has been losing ground to scientists like Rupert Sheldrake and the heavy majority of cutting-edge physicists as well as most geologists.
Humanity is far older than what mainscream materialists believe. What we can perceive beyond the capacities of our five recognized senses tells me that your mental process is getting a bit long in the tooth and is becoming more and more discredited by metaphysical explorers who have availed themselves of psychedelic mushrooms and ayahuasca.
In other words, as a Hermit, you simply have not kept up with the times. True science is all about maintaining an open mind and never mindlessly adhering to abstract theories which have been disproven by creative thinkers who have come to realize that “there is more to heaven and earth than is believed in your philosophy, Horatio.” -Shakespeare
Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 15 2023 10:29 utc | 192
PR Minutiae
“a failed Ukrainian defence. Am I right?” – correct… but think of the propaganda value in thinking the opposite…keep your audience illiterate… that is how successful propaganda works.. it can’t work when people understand how things work..
Posted by: james | Jan 15 2023 4:39 utc | 158
Even if we try to find alternative sources of information, the Moon of Alabama only casts the shadows of the real world in Plato’s cave, in which we are more or less and de facto… locked .
Emmanuel Todd is a demographer, an international observer, a great scientist, but above all recognized and appreciated far from home.
His observation is simple, demographic. The West is overtaken by the demographic, cultural, economic and even scientific growth of the Afro-Eurasian bloc.
Martianov fundamentally bases his analysis on the same comparisons between economic, cultural, and educational non-western life, which is focused on creating real wealth….
and Western “civilisation”, which is based on extortion, plunder, and recycling of intellectual fraud.
And since post-ColdWar not anymore produce any Things of Value.
The golden billion choose to lock themselves in their cave. Masturbating in front of shadows. Shadows of Minutiae…
The soon to be indifferent rest of the world will choose to block all relations with a large stone in front of the entrance.
They are already rolling it
What will our pyramids and Stonehenge look like in 2000 years? The archaeologists will do the same as Champollion. They will try to decipher our propagandistic hyeroglyphs to understand the causes of the extinction of a brilliant civilization.
In the meantime, the alternative for us and our children is clear. Stay in the cave and ….dig deeper.
“Mama says, ‘Stupid is as stupid does.’”
Or…. run, Forrest, run.
“Éloge de la fuite”, as Henri Laborit wrote.
http://www.elogedelasuite.net/
Posted by: La Bastille | Jan 15 2023 10:30 utc | 193
videos are about from ukies themselves and wagner of drones built to drop hydrocyanic acid canisters. interesting history to that chemical and of course not a peep from any western presstitutes.
Posted by: hankster | Jan 15 2023 10:35 utc | 194
Down South @169
Almost amusing. The British publication “The Mirror” is merely a mirror of the delusions being foisted on the international public by MI6 and their many captive media organs.
My money is that the “whoop-de-dubious” protestations of the organs of that mangy old lion, the British Empire and their massive sum of four whole Apaches, will be quickly swatted down by three Comanches currently employed by the R.F.
This entire dog and pony act by Perfidious Albion reminds me of an incident in 1866 or thereabouts when the Brits were going to send an expeditionary force to buck up a potential ally against the Germanic coalition of Prussia and Austria-Hungary.
Chancellor Furst Otto von Bismarck plangently remarked: “We shall send in our police and simply arrest them.”
Although the Bank$ters in City of London rule the Western coalition, most particularly the Five Eyes, “Great” Britain itself is in truth a mangy old lion, a mere shadow of the days when Britain ruled the waves.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 15 2023 10:44 utc | 195
Likewise he wanted S-400 to have personal control over the means to ensure his own life
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 15 2023 9:32 utc | 184
Erdogan remembers very well WHO save his life (and Turkey).
Twice…
Without Russia’s intervention, Turkey would be the Southfront of W.W.III since 2015.
https://www.voltairenet.org/article189723.html
And
https>>>en.reseauinternational.net/le-concepteur-de-lavion-f-16-et-vladimir-poutine-tiennent-le-meme-langage-vis-a-vis-de-la-turquie/
Posted by: La Bastille | Jan 15 2023 10:49 utc | 196
The Ukrainian Armed Forces may retreat from Artemovsk (Bakhmut) ; Kiev is allegedly preparing for a counteroffensive in another section of the front — Washington Post
“I will support the commander in chief’s decision to maneuver tactically and create a new line of defense if it becomes clear that casualties are too high,” a Ukrainian soldier said.
Ukrainian troops are considering the possibility of retreating from Artemivsk (Bakhmut), The Washington Post reports. At the same time, the city is presented as a point of “relatively little strategic importance,” so the military is advised to save forces for a counterattack in another direction, and emphasis is placed on a quote from an American high-ranking official: “Bakhmut will not change the course of the war.”
At the same time, the day before, Russian channels reported that the Pentagon had recommended that he retreat from Artemovsk (Bakhmut) and abandon his attempts to retake Soledar. Valery Zaluzhny, the commander-in-chief of the AFU, had voiced almost the same position to the president of Kiev earlier, emphasising that all the attempts at a counterattack on Soledar had failed.
At the same time, military experts note that the capture of Artemovsk will be one of the victories of the Russian army, followed by Konstantinovka, Druzhkovka, Kramatorsk, Slavyansk, and others, which will lead to the crisis of AFU’s group in Donbass
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/29053
Posted by: Down South | Jan 15 2023 10:50 utc | 197
“didn’t Biden actually tell Putin the U.S. would not directly oppose Russia in Ukraine? If I remember correctly, USA pivoted from a promise not to fight, to providing weapons + logistics + battlefield intelligence + mercenaries + special forces & intelligence carrying out secret missions on the ground”
With all their wisdom they set the same trap as they did for addam Hussein in 1990. He met with American ambassador April Glaspie who told him :
“We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait (…) the Kuwait issue is not associated with America” (Wiki).
Understand : you can invade/repossess Kuwait, we won’t do anything about it.
Of course that was a big lie and a big trap set under Hussein’s feet.
Flashforward to 2022 : senile Joe set the very same trap under Putin’s feet… Goes to show how stupid American “elites” are.
Putin sees into America’s game so I suspect he’ll go “all in” with this war.
Posted by: Nanker | Jan 15 2023 10:50 utc | 198
Posted by: Bill Smith | Jan 15 2023 2:47 utc | 143
The only sorties I’ve seen is UAF jet flying somewhere further from inland, then they raise altitude temporarily to shoot their HARM missile kind of blind or guestimating. Then go back down. The Russians have AWACS which can guide the S-300 or fighters to shoot them down. If you read reports, Ukrainian Mig-29 and Su-25 and Su-24 and other stuff get shot down periodically, as well as are helicopters. Wherever they are flying, they’re isn’t too much evidence that they are contributing much to anything.
Would you have any example of their success outside first 2 months or so of war?
Posted by: unimperator | Jan 15 2023 11:00 utc | 199
Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Jan 15 2023 4:29 utc | 152
If you don’t like the number of sorties being 10 to 20 a day as given out by the US, UK, likely calculated from all the Western reconnaissance assets flying along the borders, what numbers have you seen?
Posted by: Bill Smith | Jan 15 2023 11:13 utc | 200