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January 14, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-13
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Nato sending spy planes to Romania to spy on Russian military activities along the border. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jan 14 2023 16:07 utc | 1 its strange to me that many people are, at this point, ignoring the obvious endpoint of this war: nuclear holocaust. nato/ukraine will not back down and neither will russia, so there will never be any victory for either side, just an inevitable nuclear exchange that kills us all. just a matter of when, not if. 2023/2024 may just be the end of humanity. Posted by: garfeld | Jan 14 2023 16:10 utc | 2 This is an interesting article, that all but says that Europe will be the losers in this conflict, the USA is far away, and pretty much safe from all but nukes, and its using Europe as its battlefield against Russia, eventually sending enough heavy weapons to Ukraine will see the war spill out of Ukraine and into Europe. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jan 14 2023 16:22 utc | 3 Scott Ritter and the Canadian Prepper see the escalation in Ukraine leading to nuclear war. Posted by: young | Jan 14 2023 16:23 utc | 4 Bahkmut looks like it’s getting super reinforced, 25 thousands Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jan 14 2023 16:23 utc | 5 To the point – “nuclear war is inevitable.” No, we just wake up with no electicity, no electronics, no transportation, no gas, no TV, no money, and no future in the cities. Maybe London, New York, and CA get nuked, but really no need to kill anyone else. We will just kill ourselves just like it has been on TV for years. Posted by: JimG | Jan 14 2023 16:24 utc | 6 This wouldn’t surprise me at all, and I foresee a reversal of blame being put on Russia if they are used by the Ukrainian Neo-Nazi forces. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jan 14 2023 16:28 utc | 7 It’s interesting to read old predictions of what “future” war would be like. Guys in the early 19th century predicting that rifles would make artillery obsolete as the crews would just be shot down from 1000 or 2000 yards away. Guys in the early 20th century predicting battlefields dominated by giant zeppelins blasting everything below them with cannons and energy beams. Wonder weapons are not usually as effective in the field as they are in theory. Nuclear weapons are probably the same way. There has been no nuclear war before. When actual nuclear war happens, I think that most of the weapons would not reach their targets. Failures to launch, targeting errors, failure to detonate, air defenses (perhaps even AA with nuclear warheads), and then the dust clouds and electromagnetic interference. Posted by: catdog | Jan 14 2023 16:53 utc | 8 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jan 14 2023 16:28 utc | 7 Posted by: catdog | Jan 14 2023 16:56 utc | 9 Tanks to Ukraine. Britain steps up to the plate. This is supposed to put more pressure on Germany. At this rate Ukraine could end up with a couple dozen tanks. Not enough for Zelensky. He wants at least a thousand to get Crimea back. Posted by: dh | Jan 14 2023 17:10 utc | 10 Garfield @2 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2023 17:26 utc | 11 ” The price of Russian Urals oil in the port of Primorsk on January 6 was less than $37.80 per barrel, Bloomberg reports citing Argus Media. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Jan 14 2023 17:28 utc | 12 Another nuke it all and that negative vibe hitching up with religious nonsense happens to be spiritually bereft and not at all helpful in averting that sword of Damocles hanging over the heads of all life on earth. Quit it! You are falling into the grasp of an evil demiurge. Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2023 17:29 utc | 13 neo—@#5 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2023 17:31 utc | 14 is anyone here familiar with the idea that nukes aren’t real? ie: both nuclear power & nuclear weapons are NOT REAL. the documentaries on this subject are very compelling. & it’s not as if tribe don’t lie about all things all the time Posted by: brugge101 | Jan 14 2023 17:31 utc | 15 ” Like all central banks, the Bank of Russia functions as a “body of state power” even though it acts independently from the Russian state. ” Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Jan 14 2023 17:33 utc | 16 @ garfeld Posted by: GoFast | Jan 14 2023 17:35 utc | 17 republic of Scotland @#7 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2023 17:38 utc | 18 @dh #10 Posted by: Marvin | Jan 14 2023 17:41 utc | 19 Opinion by Aristodemos Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2023 17:44 utc | 20 @19 I think the idea behind Britain sending a few tanks is to show some kind of leadership (Rule Britania!) and shame Olaf into joining in. I don’t think Sunak particularly wants to get involved in Ukraine at all but he is under pressure too. Who actually decides? Good question. Posted by: dh | Jan 14 2023 17:50 utc | 21 “ Interpreting the massive support a” Posted by: GoFast | Jan 14 2023 17:50 utc | 22 yeah i truly hope that the threat of nukes is overblown, but the west is run by complete psychopaths. early on my opinion was that there would always be strict boundaries that would not be crossed…but this seems naive in retrospect. maybe fearing nuclear war will make it more likely, if this is the case then people like scott ritter are doing humanity a disservice by ringing the alarm bells. i just dont see how nato will roll over and accept russian victory. they would rather the world end. Posted by: garfeld | Jan 14 2023 17:54 utc | 23
NATO warning and reconnaissance systems were completely disabled in today’s Russian strikes
Posted by: La Bastille | Jan 14 2023 17:58 utc | 24 The more people who get caught up in fears of a nuclear holocaust; the more likely it is to occur. Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 14 2023 17:59 utc | 25 An interesting analysis based on the recent re-shuffle of command in Russia, assuming the Putin needs three Generals to drive three fronts: Air (special) Force commander Surovikin has softened up Ukraine with the air raids since October, and established how and where to attack to reduce the mobility of Ukraine forces. Surovikin will remain in Charge of the Eastern front. Posted by: Marvin | Jan 14 2023 18:01 utc | 26
NATO warning and reconnaissance systems were completely disabled in today’s Russian strikes
Posted by: La Bastille | Jan 14 2023 18:01 utc | 27 Britain steps up to the plate. Posted by: rk | Jan 14 2023 18:08 utc | 28 @28 The Zelensky strategy is to get more direct NATO involvement. He’s probably hoping that a few tanks will turn into a flood. The reluctance on the part of EU countries to send them is because they have a pretty good idea how they will end up. Come on Olaf. We’re waiting. Posted by: dh | Jan 14 2023 18:15 utc | 29 brugge101 | Jan 14 2023 17:31 utc | 15 Posted by: D J G | Jan 14 2023 18:15 utc | 30 a main battle tank (mbt) without a heavy equipment transporter is useless, if you tried to drive them 600 miles 1 in 10 would get through because of equipment failures. Posted by: paddy | Jan 14 2023 18:24 utc | 31 @ D J G Posted by: Confused | Jan 14 2023 18:29 utc | 32 garfield@23 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2023 18:32 utc | 33 @ Posted by: La Bastille | Jan 14 2023 18:01 utc | 27 Posted by: paddy | Jan 14 2023 18:32 utc | 34 Aleph @ 25 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2023 18:35 utc | 35 Posted by: brugge101 | Jan 14 2023 17:31 utc | 15 Posted by: Anne B | Jan 14 2023 18:37 utc | 36 Marvin @26 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2023 18:40 utc | 37 Come with Wagner to Soledar- with english voice-over. Posted by: Anne B | Jan 14 2023 18:43 utc | 38 In the comments to the excellent thread where b lays out the successive Ukrainian defensive lines, I suggested that another force from somewhere like Belgorod could disrupt Ukrainian forces building those lines. Today on Sputnik’s map, I see increased action around Belgorod and Kharkov. Kharkov is very important for transporting supplies to the UA forces where the major actions are taking place. Distupting traffic there is important. Posted by: barstool | Jan 14 2023 18:44 utc | 39 Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Jan 14 2023 17:28 utc | 12 “On January 5, the average price of Urals oil in January-December 2022 was $76.09 per barrel . “” Posted by: Bill Smith | Jan 14 2023 18:47 utc | 40
Then Russia must bring “April 1945” to Ukraine ASAP. I don’t understand why they haven’t done so already. It’s also inexcusable that Russia only controls the easternmost 1/8th of Ukraine. This is a country that’s right on their God-damned border, for crying out loud. This would be like the USA being unable to invade and subdue Mexico or Canada. Posted by: ReinhardVonSiegfried | Jan 14 2023 18:50 utc | 41 Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jan 14 2023 16:23 utc | 5 Posted by: Anne B | Jan 14 2023 18:51 utc | 42 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2023 17:44 utc | 20 Posted by: Anne B | Jan 14 2023 18:57 utc | 43 Capisce? Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 14 2023 18:59 utc | 44 Posted by: La Bastille | Jan 14 2023 18:01 utc | 27 Posted by: Bill Smith | Jan 14 2023 19:03 utc | 45 Nato sending spy planes to Romania to spy on Russian military activities along the border. Posted by: JackG | Jan 14 2023 19:04 utc | 46 paddy | Jan 14 2023 18:24 utc | 31 Posted by: JohninMK | Jan 14 2023 19:07 utc | 47 Do not miss this.
Corruption aside. Leadership in the collective west do not do policy consequences. Why should they? those little white envelopes……. Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 14 2023 19:11 utc | 48 Before I first went to Ukraine (2016), naturally apprehensive, I studied the Maiden coup and was alarmed by the black and very extensive ruins of Kiev’s heart, the city center. Posted by: Elmagnostic | Jan 14 2023 19:13 utc | 49 It sounds like there is another massive missile attack on 404 infrastructure. I am not sure how this is happening because the MSM assured us that Russia had no more missiles left. Posted by: josh | Jan 14 2023 19:18 utc | 50 As for those Pacific atolls – who knows how thing are over there. Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 14 2023 19:18 utc | 51 Aleph@44 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2023 19:20 utc | 52 Posted by: JohninMK | Jan 14 2023 19:07 utc | 47 Posted by: JohninMK | Jan 14 2023 19:26 utc | 53 Just emphasising a point made by a poster on the other thread. Posted by: JohninMK | Jan 14 2023 19:35 utc | 54 The more people who get caught up in fears of a nuclear holocaust; the more likely it is to occur. Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 14 2023 19:38 utc | 55 @dh | Jan 14 2023 17:50 utc | 21
Interesting how Brexit Britain is the leading warring force in Europe fighting for the supposed right of Ukraine to enter the EU that Britain just left? Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 14 2023 19:38 utc | 56 Posted by: Bill Smith | Jan 14 2023 19:03 utc | 45 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 14 2023 19:39 utc | 57 @ Aristodemos: Marines and professionals should never mix up their insights with metaphysics etc. Posted by: Rootman | Jan 14 2023 19:41 utc | 58 ‘Aleph@44 You do appear to be a bit short in the realm of the metaphysical’. Posted by: waynorinorway | Jan 14 2023 19:48 utc | 59 Posted by: brugge101 | Jan 14 2023 17:31 utc | 15 Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 14 2023 19:49 utc | 60 Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jan 14 2023 19:18 utc | 51 Posted by: Anne B | Jan 14 2023 20:07 utc | 61 Ouch. We just cried uncle. !!! Help us.
OK. Who will pony up the funds for repairs? Also add punitive damages; a term in U.S. law and convention. Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 14 2023 20:08 utc | 62 Vengeance Strikes: New 2023 edition summary for January 14, 2023 as of 10:15 pm EST Posted by: missile strikes | Jan 14 2023 20:13 utc | 63 Pentagon Seeks to Ink Contract on Technical Assistance for Patriot Systems in Ukraine [Sputnik]tps://sputniknews.com/20230114/pentagon-seeks-to-ink-contract-on-technical-assistance-for-patriot-systems-in-ukraine-1106328251.html
😆 … Posted by: Laurence | Jan 14 2023 20:27 utc | 64 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 14 2023 19:39 utc | 57 “It’s really doubtful USA has anything that can shoot down even an Iskander.” Posted by: Bill Smith | Jan 14 2023 20:31 utc | 65 @56 “Interesting how Brexit Britain is the leading warring force in Europe fighting for the supposed right of Ukraine to enter the EU that Britain just left?” Posted by: dh | Jan 14 2023 20:34 utc | 66 I really don’t know what’s the worst on this thread: prophets telling us about inevitable imminent nuclear annihilation or misinformed people saying a nuclear explosion isn’t so bad or those maintainig nuclear bombs don’t really exist. The bombs on Japan were pretty small fish compared to what we now have lurking in the nuclear arsenals but tell that to those poor people burned alive or miserably dying a few weeks afterwards. Of course there is a risk that this will end in nuclear war, especially if we all keep obeying like sheep. The very idea that we have people in top military and political positions who play with the nuclear option ought to trigger a revolution. But reality seems to escape most of us – why, I ask? Oh, we look with fascination at apocalyptic films (Sputnik had a nice selection lately: screen-burn-the-most-memorable-nuclear-war-scenes-on-film-and-tv, but we all quitely accept our fate…either in denial or incomprehensible acceptance… Posted by: Anthony | Jan 14 2023 20:35 utc | 67 I’m a lot less scared of nuclear war now Russia has successfully navigated general mobilization. They were always the most likely to escalate to nukes and now they have other tools. Posted by: capilte | Jan 14 2023 20:37 utc | 68 JohninMK @47 Posted by: oldhippie | Jan 14 2023 21:02 utc | 69 @ Anthony Post 67 Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 14 2023 21:04 utc | 70 Note the Polo-Ukraine state already at full work. Posted by: unimperator | Jan 14 2023 21:10 utc | 71 @71 Must be quite a few hiding out in the UK by now. Zelensky should ask Sunak to send them back. Posted by: dh | Jan 14 2023 21:22 utc | 72 Heads-up @ aristodemos: Posted by: Gene Poole | Jan 14 2023 21:32 utc | 73 US government has re-started war against the Sinaloa Cartel. Is it possible Russia ends up supporting the Sinaloa Cartel in a proxy war? Posted by: conditioning | Jan 14 2023 21:38 utc | 74 Anthony no. 67 Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jan 14 2023 21:43 utc | 75 Posted by: oldhippie | Jan 14 2023 21:02 utc | 69 Posted by: Bill Smith | Jan 14 2023 21:50 utc | 76 US government has re-started war against the Sinaloa Cartel. Is it possible Russia ends up supporting the Sinaloa Cartel in a proxy war? Posted by: alek_a | Jan 14 2023 21:53 utc | 77 Does anyone think as I am starting to do that the US may have something very big to hide in the Bakhmut-Soledar region salt caves (125 miles of tunnels), hence the amount of effort on the behalf Zelensky who is willingly forcing so many horrific casualties. While the US says these towns are unimportant as Russia takes one after another, why are they making so much effort to defend them? Does it have to do with Biden and sons activities in Ukraine? Covid-19 as Russia claimed? Posted by: George | Jan 14 2023 21:53 utc | 78 How long before the Western media claim the ballistic missiles, in the first wave, were of Iranian manufacture? Posted by: Milites | Jan 14 2023 21:54 utc | 79 Whether this is correct or not, it is a good time to get right with God in true repentance submitting to Jesus Christ as your Lord. Posted by: Ed | Jan 14 2023 22:00 utc | 80 I expect a war will start soon in Japan. Japan will be destroyed militarily and economically. It will be joint attack on US bases along with Air and navy assets. The US will be pushed out to the third island chain. The US will deploy a nuclear bomb to slow the attack. This will be the final nail in the end of the US hegemony. It will start with an announced embargo on Taiwan. Posted by: Peace | Jan 14 2023 22:02 utc | 81 The progression of the hits in Ukraine energy infrastructure. Initial strikes where quickly repaired from stock spares or due to an abundance of electricity generation capacity, rerouted so it was only lights out for a few days in most regions hit. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2023 22:09 utc | 82 @JimG 6 Posted by: Hermit | Jan 14 2023 22:15 utc | 83 Yahoo/Daily Beast celebrate the escalation of weapons deliveries (that I have yet to see any tangible proof will be realized or be sufficient to accomplish anything). Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 14 2023 22:18 utc | 84 Hermit no. 83 Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jan 14 2023 22:27 utc | 85 The Russian General Surovikin (and associates) organized the withdrawal from Kherson (Ukraine). Posted by: known | Jan 14 2023 22:37 utc | 86 Posted by: Hermit | Jan 14 2023 22:15 utc | 83 Posted by: alek_a | Jan 14 2023 22:38 utc | 87 Perhaps amusing:
(From German newspaper Die Welt) Posted by: Passerby | Jan 14 2023 22:43 utc | 88 Posted by: known | Jan 14 2023 22:37 utc | 86 Posted by: alek_a | Jan 14 2023 22:50 utc | 89 On another site, many years ago, I used to argue with a chap who thought that nuclear power and weapons didn’t exist. The conspiracy for his idea to be true would need to be so huge as to make it vanishingly unlikely. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 14 2023 22:55 utc | 90 @Anne B | Jan 14 2023 18:37 utc | 36 Posted by: Hermit | Jan 14 2023 22:58 utc | 91 Aleph@55 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2023 23:00 utc | 92 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jan 14 2023 22:55 utc | 90 Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 14 2023 23:00 utc | 93 Rootman@ 58 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2023 23:03 utc | 94 Things may be slowly changing now, we see the attrition strategy in real life, but it is still a question whether the newly mobilized will prove effective in battle. Many have families at home. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2023 23:05 utc | 95 Is Turkey not a NATO member Or is it an “ally”? There is a difference given the categories attached to this org…such as “an ally” and “enhanced strategic opportunity partnerships”
Menendez is very forgetful. I do not suggest the Senator should be on the wrong foot with Erdogan. Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 14 2023 23:10 utc | 97 waynorinorway @59 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2023 23:12 utc | 98 Likklemore @62 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2023 23:18 utc | 99 POST 86… alek_a SAID: It is clear that as long as Surovikin (and associates) are in charge, there will be no Russian attempt to cut Ukrainian supply lines as the Ukrainian army would collapse in short time. The talk of a winter offensive to cut the supply lines is just talk. It will not happen as it would quickly lead to a Ukrainian defeat. Posted by: Ramsey Glissadevil | Jan 14 2023 23:22 utc | 100 |
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