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January 13, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-12

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

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Slavyangrad Telegram Channel Reports
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/28781
Ukrainian sources report that Kramatorsk receives a huge number of dead from Artemovsk and Soledar every day; most of the dead are between 18 and 23 years old. They are brought in by army trucks.
This correlates with other reports…. Ukraine’s man hood is being slaughtered….
What a waste!
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jan 13 2023 21:30 utc | 101

Russia must somehow create a huge refugee influx to EU.
That is the only way to safely inflict pain to the West.
Otherwise, the West wins.
Posted by: sapun | Jan 13 2023 18:13 utc | 34

I disagree. The west loses if it fails to dislodge Putin and that is NOT going to happen. The whole military and financial investment the west has made in this proxy war has been to dislodge Putin, break Russia apart, divide its peoples and then move in to steal its resources. Russia is not concerned with “inflicting pain” on the west. It is only interested in defending its culture, people and land.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 13 2023 21:31 utc | 102

Bagradian no. 82
“50,000 civilian dead” Is that a typographical error?

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jan 13 2023 21:34 utc | 103

Why do any of you think the Russians care about saving lives? The have fired millions of unguided shells and rockets at Ukrainian cities.
I don’t think many people buy it when the west spreads freedom, I have no reason to buy the Russians spreading freedom either
The US controls money/trade and the Russians want to take control of money. The US need to give Russia a seat at the tabble or risk losing the majority of it’s power.
I don’t see how the west will let Russia rob them and take away all thier power without a serious fight. Like WW3 serious

Posted by: OohCanada | Jan 13 2023 21:34 utc | 104

catdog | Jan 13 2023 21:22 utc | 96
That news is a few weeks old. A mobilized unit trained on artillery then retrained as riflemen. I don’t think Russia is short on artillery but it is short on riflemen for this form of war.
I problem prior to mobilization was there was no checkpoints in the back areas which allowed saboteurs to move freely. The Rybars and and others like them are a wast of time. Kots and a few others are good. Whingers. Kots is a journalist that operates on the frontlines, also part of a group that raises money for equipment for the Donbas and that group recently had a meeting with Putin. They don’t try and run the war but when they see a genuine issue they can take it straight to the top. Basically a direct line of communication between the frontline forces and the President.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2023 21:37 utc | 105

Reisner’s latest report lost the veneer of neutrality the previous ones had.
Then again, to expect an Austrian officer to be neutral given that Austria is an another unofficial NATO member is to be unforgivably naive.

Posted by: Boo | Jan 13 2023 21:39 utc | 106

Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 13 2023 21:31 utc | 99
“I disagree. The west loses if it fails to dislodge Putin and that is NOT going to happen. The whole military and financial investment the west has made in this proxy war has been to dislodge Putin”
Who cares about Putin? Putin =/= Russia. He is old, and he is mortal, and his replacement is unlikely to be friendlier to the west than he is.

Posted by: catdog | Jan 13 2023 21:40 utc | 107

uncle tungsten | Jan 13 2023 21:26 utc | 97
Danger of nukes seems to have passed as nuke talk is mostly gone from our propaganda media. This started to die off after the meeting of the US and Russian security chiefs that was followed by a meeting between the intelligence chiefs of US and Russia.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2023 21:43 utc | 108

@ThusspakeZarathustra | Jan 13 2023 21:34 utc | 100
No, apparently-unfortunately- not.
From the original Interview:
General Milley löste mit seiner Aussage in Washington viel Ärger aus und wurde auch öffentlich stark kritisiert.
Er hat eine unbequeme Wahrheit ausgesprochen. Eine Wahrheit, die in den deutschen Medien übrigens so gut wie gar nicht publiziert wurde. Das Interview mit Milley von CNN tauchte nirgendwo größer auf, dabei ist er der Generalstabschef unserer westlichen Führungsmacht. Was in der Ukraine betrieben wird, ist ein Abnutzungskrieg. Und zwar einer mit mittlerweile annähernd 200.000 gefallenen und verwundeten Soldaten auf beiden Seiten, mit 50.000 zivilen Toten und mit Millionen von Flüchtlingen. Milley hat damit eine Parallele zum Ersten Weltkrieg gezogen, die treffender nicht sein könnte. Im Ersten Weltkrieg hat allein die sogenannte ‚Blutmühle von Verdun‘, die als Abnutzungsschlacht konzipiert war, zum Tod von fast einer Million junger Franzosen und Deutscher geführt. Sie sind damals für nichts gefallen. Das Verweigern der Kriegsparteien von Verhandlungen hat also zu Millionen zusätzlicher Toter geführt. Diese Strategie hat damals militärisch nicht funktioniert – und wird das auch heute nicht tun.

Posted by: Bagradian | Jan 13 2023 21:53 utc | 109

From Z & V telegram channel…
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/47165
Official data of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
We are talking only about the cleansing of Soledar after the encirclement on January 10th. The total losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and foreign mercenaries during the liberation of Soledar by the Wagner Group are more than 20,000 people

That number amounts to 20 BTGs…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jan 13 2023 21:54 utc | 110

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2023 21:43 utc | 105
I disagree. US and NATO continue to escalate and still insist that the war must end with Russia’s defeat. If this stance continues to hold as Russia makes more and more inroads against Ukrainian defenses, we are going to see all sorts of calls for greater and greater escalation including, I bet, the direct involvement of US troops. Russia, moreover, realizes that diplomacy with the West is useless, and so perceives that the *only way* it will be able to realize its security guarantees is through force: and this will include the decisive defeat of the Ukrainian state on the battlefield. We are edging closer to the nightmare scenario outlined by several individuals, including Scott Ritter and Mearsheimer, at the very beginning of this conflict.
Of course, I hope you are right, not me.

Posted by: WJ | Jan 13 2023 21:54 utc | 111

It hasn’t really passed, it’s just suspended. Nukes are only going to be used if the Russians are pushed so far that the stability and integrity of Russia is in question. We’re not there yet, and in any case, Ukraine is likely to run out of men or materiel before that happens.
It’s not clear how the Russians would respond to Polish troops entering West Ukraine. There’s a case to be made that they should be blown up the moment they cross the border, but also an equally good case to let them deal with the cancerous entity that is Galicia.

Posted by: Boo | Jan 13 2023 21:56 utc | 112

catdog @ 104

Who cares about Putin? Putin =/= Russia. He is old, and he is mortal, and his replacement is unlikely to be friendlier to the west than he is.

That’s guaranteed after the west attacked Russia practically out of the blue. “Best laid plans of mice, men, and neocons…”

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 13 2023 21:56 utc | 113

Ironically, the most important news of our day is what Russia is doing in and around the Donbas.
The battle front news can accurately be followed with Dima at the Military Summary Channel, or Wyatt at Defense Politics Asia, or with Brian Berletic at the New Atlas, or Weeb Union, or with Alex Christoforu/Alexandar Mercouris at the Duran and others.
The most important news of our day is not what the West is acutally doing. The West is toast and that includes the USA. The West is toast spiritually. There is a long list of her decadence. Such leads to her end. Having the world’s reserve currency status funded her evil. That is about to be taken away.

Posted by: young | Jan 13 2023 22:05 utc | 114

Boo @ 109

It’s not clear how the Russians would respond to Polish troops entering West Ukraine. There’s a case to be made that they should be blown up the moment they cross the border, but also an equally good case to let them deal with the cancerous entity that is Galicia.

The are not going to roll into Ukraine across the fields in a giant tank and infantry column, they are already being introduced into the theater a few companies at a time, along civilian routes, have been for a while now, their equipment is coming separately in the guise of aid to Ukraine. At some point it will all come together.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 13 2023 22:05 utc | 115

@LightYearsFromHome
Which is why I have been persistently puzzled that the Russians didn’t mobilize more men for a big arrow move from Belarus. Out of all the strategies, it’s the only one that’s really a knife to the heart of Ukrainian resistance.

Posted by: Boo | Jan 13 2023 22:08 utc | 116

“remains dangerous for Russian planes flying at bomb-dropping altitudes”
modern air forces drop precision laser or gps guided bombs from waay up there beyond the reach of manpads and most SAMs till the front has been softened for low flying aircraft.
why hasn’t Russia been doing this?

Posted by: nothing but the trut | Jan 13 2023 22:15 utc | 117

The next Russian missile barrage may be waiting for the targets to muster at the Polish Ukraine border.
https://strategic-culture.org/news/2023/01/13/nato-ominous-tank-orders-for-ukraine-historic-spots-of-leopard/

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 13 2023 22:22 utc | 118

WJ | Jan 13 2023 21:54 utc | 108
I don’t see a difference between western made weapons and Soviet made weapons. Large numbers of tanks and aircraft have already been sent to Ukraine. Plenty of western light weapons and APC’s ect already sent.
The weapons themselves I don’t see as and escalation. Nato crews? Hymars have been there for months now. Back at the time of the referendums and mobilization Shoigu in an interview said Russia is now fighting Nato. I think the escalation some are worried bout now occurred months ago an thus we see the restructuring of Russian forces, referendums were I think related to this due to Russian laws on the use of Russia’s military forces.
In that respect, Wagner forces are free to operating anywhere. I suspect there is a Russian government move to use this in a similar way to the french foreign legion. Wagner came out of he shadows with the SMO and are being promoted. Apparently 50,000 strong now. The chef looks to be promoting the group to attract more volunteers.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2023 22:28 utc | 119

nothing but the trut @ 114

why hasn’t Russia been doing this?

S-300s reach waay up. Among Russia’s many mistakes in 1991 was gifting a huge pile of high quality durable weapons to the ex-Warsaw pact pals, maybe hoping, “no hard feelings” for the communist years. At least they took the nukes back.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 13 2023 22:28 utc | 120

In response to comments about missle strikes to the energy infrastructure.
I’ve noted that “high precision missle strikes” as its being categorized as, are being directed to front line targets of opportunity, any sort of grouping of men or materials.
I’m not sure though what types are being used, but I saw at least one reference to sea based missle strikes.
It’s my preliminary answer that Russia has determined the cost benefit ratio has decreased on using missles on energy. Ukrainian sources still show rolling emergency blackouts sometimes .Planned outages are being classified as fixed so reliable information isn’t readily available publicly. It’s my guess that demand simply fell to available output and people are moving from blighted areas.
If someone can fill what missle types and electrical grid coverage, preferably broken down by grid section and percentage time power is available would be great! Lol not too much I hope.
thanks in advance,
NFF

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jan 13 2023 22:29 utc | 121

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2023 21:22 utc | 95
Stranger things have happened, for example it appears the US is now run by ethnic Ukrainians …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 13 2023 22:42 utc | 122

@69: Russia was in the middle of a civil war (1918-1922). Everyone got a piece of the action: Brits and Norwegians in the north, Japanese and Americans in the east, Czechs traversed the whole country west to east AND BACK. Poles too, OK, big deal.

Posted by: TicketyBoo | Jan 13 2023 22:45 utc | 123

I want to finish off with alast impression of the reisner vids.
I admit i watched only one of his vids which i did not perceive as “neutral” but pro nato.
A few things to know about the reisner context, which is austria.
1. Austria still has a military duty for all young men although not enforced heavily. Remembering my time at the army (the time itself was a utterly useless experience and was for most) in themid 2000s i recall that the enemy we were prepared for was russia.
2. Later on i met a lot of higher and middle rank officers at university where they learned russian.
3. Austria is a neutral country. Neutrality is based in its constitution. I wount go into historical reasons but will mention that the current political situation is such that the only partyinsisting on austrias neutrality is the so called far right fpö. All the other partys are pro eu pro nato pro west.
4. The army itself is a joke. There are no more than a few thousand professional soldiers. Those who are there because of the duty act according to the saying “god save austria because we cant do it”
Sidenote: in 2005 we were handed devices for field communications. They were built in the 1930s. We ended up using our private mobile phones to inform each other about our positions. Austria speng about 0.8% of its etat on military for decades. Now they raised it to 1.something% in the meantime they hadto sell tanks to keep going. The equipment generally is a joke.
5. Since its their is a military duty nobody wants a military involvement. Nobody wants his/her sons thrown to a battlefield in the east.
6. Rich and powerfull people have ways to keep their kids out of the military so the elite doesnt care about 5.
7. Reisner is a very atypical austrian army officer since he is neither obese nor mentally handicaped.

Posted by: Orgel | Jan 13 2023 22:45 utc | 124

uncle tungsten @ 115
Good editorial, thanks. When you read tidbits on TG it’s often “transfer of a leopard company” which to me strongly suggest crews and infantry. Tanks support infantry, since the Ukrainian infantry is supposedly devastated what infantry are hundreds of tanks going in to support? That’s rhetorical.
I don’t think NATO is going to let the Ukrainians play with their expensive toys after they broke all their cheap Soviet toys so quickly. Looks like the Russians will have to fight all they way to Brussels this time and plant the RF flag on top of the blown out shell of NATO headquarters for the world to have peace again.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 13 2023 22:49 utc | 125

On Sean Penn’s support for Zelensky;

“The Hollywood actor Sean Penn has called for a billionaire to come forward and buy two squadrons of F-15 or F-16 aircraft for Ukraine in an unlikely attempt to tip the scales against the Russian invaders in the five-week-old war.”

I find this strange given his anti-war stance in earlier years, for example his support of Ehren Watada’s conscientious objection to the Iraq war:

Public reaction to the trials
in support of Watada at an anti-war demonstration, Seattle, March 2007 rallies were held at the gates of Fort Lewis during the court-martial; the Seattle Post-Intelligencer reported that the first day drew “more than 1,000” supporters,[42] including Desert Storm Veteran Dennis Kyne [43] and the actor[44] Sean Penn…

But, who is this man “Penn”?

Penn was born in Santa Monica, California,[4] to actor and director Leo Penn and actress Eileen Ryan (née Annucci).[4][5] His older brother is musician Michael Penn. His younger brother, actor Chris Penn, died in 2006.[6] His father was Jewish, the son of emigrants from Merkinė, Lithuania ,[7][8][9][10][11] while his mother is a Catholic of Irish and Italian descent.

… Funny, there’s that distinct pseudo-ethnic cultural link again …
Curiouser, and Curiouser ….

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 13 2023 22:51 utc | 126

Scott Ritter has a moving piece up on is Substack. He’s been banned from Twitter again – permanently. And his disarmament book tour is being derailed slightly thanks to his views on Ukraine.
American Cancel Culture, Round Two: The Russian Samovar
https://www.scottritterextra.com/p/american-cancel-culture-round-two
He will discuss this on his live show today:

93 waiting Scheduled for Jan 13, 2023
Scott Ritter answers questions from the audience with host Jeff Norman most Friday nights at 5 PM PT/5 8 PM ET/1 AM GMT and most Tuesdays at noon PT/3PM ET/8PM GMT. Submit your question in advance: https://ScottRitterExtra.com/

– RSH

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Jan 13 2023 22:53 utc | 127

Arch Bungle @ 123

But, who is this man “Penn”?

Penn, Bono, Zelensky, they are all possessed by Satan, that’s all you need to know.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 13 2023 22:57 utc | 128

More whining about Russia not making war the NATO way that’s been replied to and explained to death over the last 8+ months. The answer–yet again–is Russia doesn’t war like NATO as we’ve seen by the strategy employed. We saw Russia employ “smart” bombs in Syria, and some have certainly been used in Ukraine. But the smart weapons of Russia’s choice are its missiles. If Russia’s goal was to completely flatten Ukie cities as NATO does, Russia could easily have done so. But Russia has a very different ethos and audience watching its actions whereas the Outlaw US Empire has never cared how many people it slaughters or who’s watching its crimes. And that difference is extremely important given the overall goal of defeating Parasitic Neoliberalism and its Dollar Hegemony.
With that out of the way, here’s what I was going to provide as a comment:
Today Putin stopped to talk with a reporter as he was leaving Ufa after having come for talks with the head of Bashkiria (also known as Bashkortostan), Radiy Khabirov, which were quite illuminating but not the content of what follows–Putin’s short conversation with Rossiya Channel 1 reporter Pavel Zarubin whose reporting has appeared here before:

P. Zarubin: I wanted to ask you something. You said at the meeting with the head of the republic that this is a special region. Could you explain in more detail what you meant by that?
Vladimir Putin: You know, there is no need to invent anything here. To begin with, from the moment of their voluntary entry into the Russian Empire, the Bashkirs also voluntarily assumed a special mission-the mission of protecting the external borders of the united Fatherland, the border guard.
During the Patriotic War of 1812, Bashkiria almost entirely put the entire male population, from the age of 15, on a horse, armed and sent to fight the enemy. Residents of the republic behaved no less courageously and heroically during the Great Patriotic War.
Therefore, it is not surprising to me that today, when solving tasks during the special military operation to protect our people in the Donbas, in the Kherson region, in Zaporozhye, the republic behaves just as responsibly: on the one hand, it is warm and sincere towards those people who take part in the military operations, and towards the people who are not involved in the war. their families, and at the same time in a state way.
Among other things, Ufa, the capital of the republic where we are now, has always been one of the most significant and important centers of Russian Islam, an enlightened, creative and highly respected Islam in the Islamic world, and at the same time patriotically oriented, ready to interact with all other traditional faiths of our country. countries.
In this sense, we can say that Bashkiria has always played a special, significant role in the life, history and fate of Russia.

This short excerpt from the conversation between Putin and Khabirov IMO carries great significance for it shines a light on the moralistic nature of Russian governance that isn’t found within Neoliberal nations. Khabirov is speaking:
“Here, Mr President, you are here for me we have repeatedly said this: of course, if you work on such issues (overall governance and social-humanitarian) without soul and without a heart, it does not work, even if there are support measures.”
And that’s another facet of why Russia doesn’t wage war like NATO–Russia actually cares: It gives a damn. As Patrushev said, it’s a tragedy having to fight brother Slavs, which makes what NATO has done extremely evil in Russian eyes. Russia will not stoop to such acts of barbarism. Yes, Russia’s goals are to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine, But I very much doubt any of Russia’s leaders was prepared for the depth of evil they’d encounter–NATO literally using every Ukrainian possible to try and defeat Russia: A mindset very similar to that of the European elite in WW1 since they weren’t in the trenches dying by the tens of thousands.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 13 2023 22:57 utc | 129

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 13 2023 22:51 utc | 123
Penn/Zelensky founding members of the Fraternal Order of Acting Degenerates… FOAD 😉

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 13 2023 23:05 utc | 130

Any news (other than twitter and telegram) about the massive gas pipeline explosion on the line connecting Latvia and Lithuania.
Specifically, has Russia been blamed yet, and if yes, did they do it?

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 13 2023 23:15 utc | 131

Damage to Ukrainian civilian and critical infrastructure exceeds $127 billion, said First Deputy Foreign Minister of Ukraine Emine Dzhaparova.
She added that the restoration of Ukraine “will be one of the largest investment projects.” “Ukraine has become the largest construction site in Europe, which provides a wide range of opportunities for international partners to use the best practices in the field of engineering, construction and technology transfer,” said Dzheppar.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/28799
You’d think they’d rebuild Cleveland or Detroit first? Or some of the shit towns of the UK.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 13 2023 23:18 utc | 132

Boo | Jan 13 2023 22:08 utc | 113
‘ …..why I have been persistently puzzled that the Russians didn’t mobilize more men for a big arrow move from Belarus.’
Because the land south of much of the Belarus border is lakes and bog? Perfect trap.
The Ukrainian army are digging defences just in case,but imho the terrain makes movement unlikely, its very soft muddy still at mo.

Posted by: olaf22 | Jan 13 2023 23:28 utc | 133

@ uncle tungsten | 17
Regarding the Wagner group. I find them to be a very interesting phenomenon within Russia. I do agree with you that it is important to limit the infighting. But what is the purpose of Wagner in the larger scheme of things ?
Putin in the past has been frustrated by his attempts to force reform on the Russian Army. I’ve read that while he has had some success, reform is still bitterly resisted. If what I’ve read is accurate, there was a time, not too many years ago when there were more Colonels in the Russian army than Lieutenants ?
Is it possible that Wagner serves 2 purposes. One to provide hard fighting assault forces, but 2 to provide pressure on the Army to reform. There seems to be little doubt that, while the Russian Army has been heavily engaged, the Wagner forces have done a lot of the bitter, close quarters door knocking.
It would be interesting to learn more about Wagners experimentation with tactics and organization. Earlier in the war, I read some brief articles to the effect that Wagner was acquiring their own Artillery and Air Assets and building comms and process to vastly improve the response time between target identification and having artillery or air service that target…then just a week or so ago, I read an article in Russian Military review on how the Army has changed it’s methods for getting attacks on target reducing response time to 2 minutes.
So bottom line, I think Wagner is protected and tolerated as a means of getting difficult jobs done in a timely manner and also leaning on the Army to improve itself – put up or shut up kind of thing.

Posted by: Dan Farrand | Jan 13 2023 23:29 utc | 134

@Peter AU1 #102:

The Rybars and and others like them are a wast of time. Kots and a few others are good. Whingers. Kots is […] part of a group that […] recently had a meeting with Putin. They don’t try and run the war but when they see a genuine issue they can take it straight to the top. Basically a direct line of communication between the frontline forces and the President.

Peter, you are wrong on this. Mikhail Zvinchuk, the founder and leader of the Rybar team, is part of that working group. Kots is not. There are 31 people in total in the group, see here:
Decree of the President of the Russian Federation No. 420-rp dated December 20, 2022 “On the working group to ensure interaction between public authorities and organizations on issues of mobilization training and mobilization, social and legal protection of citizens of the Russian Federation participating in the Special Military Operation, and members of their families”
Other journalists in the group are Andrey Medvedev, Semyon Pegov, Yevgeniy Poddubnyy and Aleksandr Sladkov.
So Zvinchuk, Medvedev and others are not “whinging,” they are doing exactly what the President has tasked them to do: find and publicize problems that must be solved.

Posted by: S | Jan 13 2023 23:46 utc | 135

18 minutes ago: Finnish Parliament Speaker Cancels Visit to Turkey After Ankara Disinvites Swedish Rep [Sputnik]
58 minutes ago: Video: Blast Rocks Lithuania-Latvia Pipeline, Operators Say Explosion Unintentional [Sputnik]tps://sputniknews.com/20230113/video-blast-rocks-lithuania-latvia-pipeline-operators-say-explosion-unintentional-1106300562.html

A preliminary investigation showed no signs of foul play but that didn’t stop at least one Western media commentator from immediately pointing the finger at Russia anyway.

Posted by: Laurence | Jan 13 2023 23:49 utc | 136

Cont’d from #132
Here’s the HTML version of the decree so you can machine-translate it and see for yourself.

Posted by: S | Jan 13 2023 23:50 utc | 137

LIghtYearsFromHome @129
“You’d think they’d rebuild Cleveland or Detroit first? Or some of the shit towns of the UK.”
another good reason for this being a must win for russia, eurasia, the global south and the west. they’ll just keep on murdering, “rebuilding,” treating the regular people terribly, until the world is their labor camp with glitter.
i think most know this by now, and will add strength to this cause.

Posted by: polarbear4 | Jan 13 2023 23:53 utc | 138

This Vad interview is not as critical or positive (from a anti war/Russian perspective) as it seems.
He comes over as someone reasoning. However, he just comes out with some thruths to sell some other
lies.
Here are two examples: “Was in der Ukraine betrieben wird, ist ein Abnutzungskrieg. Und zwar einer mit mittlerweile annähernd 200.000 gefallenen und verwundeten Soldaten auf beiden Seiten”.
He compares it to Verdun, implying Russia loses as many soldiers as Ukraine. What does 200’000 fallen
soldiers on both sides mean? He implies 50:50. How about 180’000 Ukraine soldiers and 20’000 Russian?
So IMHO he is just another spin doctor aka liar – he just has a different target audience. Emma’s
Schwarzenegger, aeh, Schwarzer, btw. just got glorified in German movie theaters.
Then he goes on: “Wir erleben weitgehend eine Gleichschaltung der Medien, wie ich sie so in der Bundesrepublik noch nie erlebt habe. Das ist pure Meinungsmache. Und zwar nicht im staatlichen Auftrag, wie es aus totalitären Regimen bekannt ist, sondern aus reiner Selbstermächtigung.”
No Vlad. The German media as well as the whole Western media does not go along all by itself, including
your Emma. Billions upon billions are spend. Springer Verlag aka Politico went for 5 billion over the
table to KKR, and it was already in US hands from right after WW2.
What do you think all those official 600 billion Pentagon and 50 billion Homeland bla bla bla budgets
are used for. You know it: Propaganda, brainwashing, Gleichschaltung. No self sensorship. Hard
payed cash/bankbits/careers.
Bla bla Schwarzer bla bla just some more paid pseudo opposition forcilein. Couldn’t finish the article.

Posted by: C | Jan 14 2023 0:03 utc | 139

Expecting Russian aviation to behave like it’s Western counterpart misses the point, it never was or will be a mirror of NATO because of a substantial difference in doctrine. NATO, as has being recently shown, is heavily reliant on it’s aviation assets to achieve any significant operational results. Doctrine, forged in the later part of WW2 and the Cold War, slowly but surely, reversed the relationship making ground forces a subsidiary of the fast movers. Bean counters and high tech snake oil sellers encouraged the trend, as ground forces could be cut and the money spent on evermore expensive and growing social programmes and pockets could be stuffed with evermore expensive lobbying from the MIC.
The Russians on the other hand always saw it’s aviation assets as subordinate to the ground forces, with Cold War doctrine assigning missions based on operational objectives and often covering for artillery as it relocated to new firing positions. As a result, the Russian commander, in Ukraine, has far more tools to destroy targets than his NATO counterpart. There is as well, as has been mentioned, the little matter of flying in an extremely hostile AD environment. A fact recognised by NATO with it’s development of long range aerial weapon systems and crossed-fingers faith in stealth technology. It’s also the reason why there is such a disparity between the AD technologies of the rival sides, NATO relied on an air shield to protect it’s ground troops, Russia it’s SAM’s. Wonder what shock waves rippled through the Pentagon when they realised their HARM missiles were being shot down, or Ukr planes with upgraded Western ECM pods were being shot down at 200+km!

Posted by: Milites | Jan 14 2023 0:04 utc | 140

@131 I think Wagner Group exemplifies the views of Vladimir Zhirinovsky who died last year. An unapologetic Russian nationalist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Zhirinovsky

Posted by: dh | Jan 14 2023 0:05 utc | 141

karlof1 | Jan 13 2023 22:57 utc | 126
‘More whining about Russia not making war the NATO way ‘
Yes indeed, USA style carpet bomb strategies do tend to backfire spectacularly. Russia doesn’t need yet another country full of ‘jihadists’ hell-bent on revenge. Do gung ho keyboard warriors think they are immune from nuclear war?
It does seem to have been more civilised company today in the bar. double cherry vodka? Cheers.

Posted by: olaf22 | Jan 14 2023 0:08 utc | 142

A winning number of modern 1st-class tanks–
Strategic-culture today:
“There are a reported 2,000 German-made Leopards in service across 13 European countries.”
then:
“What is abundantly clear is that the United States and its NATO allies are coordinating a larger-scale involvement in the war in Ukraine against Russia. They are marching in lockstep.”
China’s until now back seat partnership with Russia aside, this German/EU betrayal ought to do it for this half-war.
Letting the Neo-Nazis win with complete Western support is what this is about. Either the Ze regime criminals go or. . . they will be the official instrument of the worst that is gathering to happen.
This is THE Ur paradigm in force since February last. Neglecting the enemies in charge has made languishing and gathering time the ally of a totally injust victory.
Wat kind of world begins after a Ze-Nazi-Germany-EU champagne celebration? A Leopard tank parade in Nazi/NATO Ukraine?
https://strategic-culture.org/news/2023/01/13/nato-ominous-tank-orders-for-ukraine-historic-spots-of-leopard/

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Jan 14 2023 0:16 utc | 143

Milites @137–
Thanks for your excellent comment. Yes, doctrine, the way of war.
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On the current open thread, I just posted the translated transcript of TASS‘s interview with the Director of the Second Department of CIS countries of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia A.A. Polishchuk that covers several issues about Ukraine and Belarus/Union State I thought of posting to this tread since well over half is germane, particularly the twin issues of mediation and negotiation, which reveals some new policy info. I very much doubt any offensive will be launched via Belarus based on the interview.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 14 2023 0:17 utc | 144

“Why do any of you think the Russians care about saving lives? They have fired millions of unguided shells and rockets at Ukrainian cities.
I don’t think many people buy it when the west spreads freedom, I have no reason to buy the Russians spreading freedom either… I don’t see how the west will let Russia rob them and take away all their power without a serious fight. Like WW3 serious”
Posted by: OohCanada | Jan 13 2023 21:34 utc | 101
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Ooh Canada, haven’t you learned anything while trolling MoA for so long? I know that the subject of about the actual start of the conflict between Russia and the US/NATO actually commenced. Was it not proven to be February 22, 2014: And can you say, “the Maidan Coup?” I knew you could. Perhaps you read something on MoA about an eight yearlong genocidal war waged by the US supported Nazis in Kiev (I’m sorry that is Kyiv for all good trolls) against the Russian speaking people of the Donbass region, and other Oblast’s in Eastern Ukraine.
Did you miss the discussions (there where many of them) about how former German Chancellor Merkel admits the Minsk agreement was merely to buy time for Ukraine’s arms build-up and NATOs training of military forces to wage war with Russia. This was also confirmed by French President Emmanuel Macron, and US stooge and post Maidan coup, Ukraine president Petro Poroshenko.
And how about the desperate attempt by President Putin to find a peaceful diplomatic solution to the issues that were leading to war, just weeks before Russia’s February rescue of the people of the Donbass. The US (Biden) response was stick it up your arse Putin, there will be no diplomatic negotiations.
Ooh Canada, I guess you think Russia should just roll over and allow the US/NATO to place nuclear capable weapons right on Russia’s border closest to Moscow. What other nation would allow that if they were capable of preventing it?
You are a Russophobe, and while you hate Russia you overlook the US lust to control the world as the only “great” hegemon. You hiss at Russians picadilloes, while ignoring the evil emanating from the US and its hoodlum lap dogs organized as the NATO gangsters of war who continued to move as a bloc to the East while ignoring Russian pleas to have respect for their national security interest, or else!
And Canada is the US’s top lap dog, so go fetch.

Posted by: Ed | Jan 14 2023 0:20 utc | 145

Kyiv shows signs of desperation.
https://covertactionmagazine.com/2023/01/13/kyiv-shows-signs-of-desperation/

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 14 2023 0:29 utc | 146

I wonder what happened to the western intel services prediction that “Russia will close its borders”? Still not happened.
Wonder what happened to western intel services prediction “Russia about to call for full mobilisation”?
Never happened.
GOOD LORD CIA AND MI6……you’re slacking

Posted by: HERMIUS | Jan 14 2023 0:35 utc | 147

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Jan 14 2023 0:16 utc | 140
It was predictable last Autumn, when Kiev regime threw hundreds of MBT’s in their offensives on Kherson, and next in the Kupyansk offensive. They took humongous losses, and USA had to make a choice either to not give MBTs and watch the whole enterprise evaporate, or give them out of their own pockets to prop it up. Expectedly, they chose the latter.
That also means that the financial value of keeping Ukraine afloat can go up many multiples of last year. Following tanks, it’s natural that they would also then give F-15 and F-16 to replace the large losses of Mig-29 and Su-24, Su-25 fighter bomber losses.
We’ll see what happens next.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 14 2023 0:38 utc | 148

Dan Farrand #131
Wagner. I dig it. A bit like a performance indicator.
As I read the problem it was due primarily to Wagner’s boss insisting publicly that Wagner was winning Artymovsk and Soledar u assisted by the Russian army. I was surprised at both his arrogance and clumsy boast.
That is what is being ‘adjusted’ in Russia and seized upon in the West msm.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 14 2023 0:47 utc | 149

I see the usual death freaks and ghouls have shown up on MoA celebrating the tactical victory at Soledar as if it was the end of WWII. And of course it’s “because Russia cares” that it takes 6 months to take an insignificant village.
Russia has bit off more than it can chew. If/when the full-force of NATO engages then Russia will have a fight on its hands. As it is, only a PMC can gain ground. Regular Russian Army is already kaput. Putin will be gone in 6 months.
Say? When is the winter offensive gonna start? Should Europe already be on their hands and knees begging for Russian hydrocarbons. Don’t look now, but China is all ready to throw Putin over the side.
Go ahead now and return to your inhumane discussions of killing civilians.

Posted by: Muthaucker | Jan 14 2023 0:53 utc | 150

Elmagnostic @140–
Indeed, a blend of both World Wars. Here’re the concluding paragraphs from the editorial you linked, of which I’m tempted to completely bold:

Despicably and criminally, there is no call among Western governments or media for diplomatic initiatives to end the conflict in Ukraine and to address the deeper geopolitical causes. All elite discourse is about the imperative of “defeating Russia” and “regime change” in Moscow as if it is a doctrinal ordinance.
The conflict in Ukraine was sown in 2014 by the U.S. and NATO-backed coup against democracy and the subsequent weaponizing of a NeoNazi regime. But the seeds for that were borne from a more evil fruit that goes all the way back to the Second World War and Nazi Germany’s failed conquest of the Soviet Union.
The imperial designs of the Third Reich and its expansionist “lebensraum” have been inherited by the U.S.-led NATO axis. The deployment of Leopard tanks – in place of Panzer Tigers – trundling towards Russia is a visceral sign of antecedent and of who stands on the right side of history. [My Emphasis]

And as we’ve discussed here, those AFVs will all be turned to scrap at many places as they are transported to the FEBA, although IMO many will be deployed around Kiev, which also IMO won’t be directly attacked.
A week ago, Martyanov showcased one of Russia’s best tank killing weapons, the Hermes Missile: “it is specifically designed to kill any armor on the battlefield” and has a range of 15-20Kms, which is well beyond the range of any tank cannon. And of course, all those tank crews will be NATO troops since there’s zero time to get Ukies anywhere near proficient with their proper use and maintenance. So, NATO will finally begin to reap what it has sown in a more spectacular fashion than the economic impacts to-date. And behind all those future corpses stands the Outlaw US Empire which hopes to lose very few of its troops as it tries and fails to defeat Russia by killing off Europe’s youth.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 14 2023 0:55 utc | 151

Over on RT they’re heading off the thing with Wagner Group. This is good. I hope I’m not being repetitive.
“Russian MoD praises ‘selfless’ Wagner fighters”
“Fighters from the private military company Wagner Group have played a major role in liberating the strategic Donbass town of Soledar, the Russian Defense Ministry declared in a Telegram post on Friday.”

Posted by: chunga | Jan 14 2023 0:58 utc | 152

Kiev regime continues committing more crimes.
“I carefully read the post of the respected Yarem about chemical weapons. I decided to recall the specialized education and consult with a competent chemist.
With a high degree of probability, these ammunition are stuffed with hydrocyanic acid HCN. This is a poisonous volatile liquid, which is why it is stored in the refrigerator in the video. Who is interested in the characteristics of the substance – google it, it’s a terrible thing. 85-90% of cases of poisoning end in death. The notorious “potassium cyanide” from detectives is a salt of hydrocyanic acid. And the Germans during the Second World War, with the help of HCN, made the Zyklon-B poison, which was used to kill the prisoners of concentration camps …
In my opinion, kamikaze drones are designed primarily to defeat the enemy inside the premises (and we are talking about urban battles in Soledar). This increases the concentration of deadly poison in the air.
If vapors are inhaled at concentrations greater than 0.4 mg/l, HCN causes poisoning resulting in death. If the concentration of a substance in the air exceeds 11 mg / l, then vapor intoxication is possible even percutaneously.
Another indirect sign of the presence of a poisonous substance in the ammunition is that the kamikaze drones are not ordinary Mavics, but fpv – extremely maneuverable, capable of flying between tree branches. Therefore, getting into any window of the building is “seeds” for them.
Means of protection against hydrocyanic acid – gas mask. Therefore, I would like to advise the Wagner fighters to put them in assault backpacks (although I am sure that they have already prepared for this). True, as noted above, with a high vapor content, intoxication through the skin is possible.”
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/28707

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 14 2023 1:09 utc | 153

Stranger things have happened, for example it appears the US is now run by ethnic Ukrainians …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 13 2023 22:42 utc | 119
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US Knesset members must now pledge allegiance to both AIPAC and AUPAC? Little daylight between them I guess.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Jan 14 2023 1:12 utc | 154

Tuberculosis in Ukraine.
I remember reading around 2014, at the time of Crimea’s return to Russia, the appalling health stats of Ukraine.
Third world levels of chronic infectious disease.
Those interested may even find comments posted here around that time, with links. Maybe Saker.
The influx of Ukrainian females into Poland at the start of the sloSMO saw HIV and sexually transmitted disease skyrocketed several thousand percent.
I posted a link on a MoA thread.
Ukraine was donated some covid “vaccines”, not sure of the number, not sure of the rollout. There’d be comments/ links on this site.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 14 2023 1:12 utc | 155

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 14 2023 0:38 utc | 145
interesting you post that usa/otan will send front line tactical jets!
gao just released a study about aging tactical aircraft, expensive to keep running and needing updated subsystems
https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-23-106375
check table 1.
the otan allies are far worse off.
the us has an aging fleet bc the super expensive not easy to test f-35, along with ford carriers and nuclear attack subs are expensive disarmamnet!
there isn’t enough parts and super technicians to run usa/otan jets out of ukraine!
bc they are buying f-35’s

Posted by: paddy | Jan 14 2023 1:17 utc | 156

S | Jan 13 2023 23:46 utc | 132
Two goups or are they part of the same group? http://kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/70046. I had thought Kots was present at this meeting but rather it was Kots report on the problems of the mobilized forces that is reported to Putin.

However, according to our colleagues, in particular our new member of the Council Alexander Kots, there are people in the free trade zone who have not been charged anything at all for four months, and some have not received regional surcharges. These are not mass phenomena, but each such case needs to be dealt with.
There were many cases of overpricing of equipment – both when mobilized citizens bought it themselves, and when regional authorities made mass purchases. We also managed to deal with this in general, and the state institutions worked quite quickly. Nevertheless, now in some parts there are problems in providing the mobilized with winter equipment.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2023 1:18 utc | 157

s, just saw your second link and had a quick scan through it. Looks to cover the same issues as were described to Putin in the meeting at my link so I assume they are all part of the same group?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2023 1:27 utc | 158

inspector general @69
Well yes, I did forget. Although it is an odd example. More about Pilsudski than about the Polish Army. Without the one man that Army would have been a zero.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jan 14 2023 1:28 utc | 159

Finland to EU. We’ll show you our Leopards if you show us yours. You guys go first.
“Finland could donate a small number of German-made Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine if a wider group of European nations also decided to do so, Finnish President Sauli Niinisto was quoted as saying on Thursday.”
https://news.yahoo.com/finland-says-could-send-small-094109207.html

Posted by: dh | Jan 14 2023 1:32 utc | 160

The UNSC: UKR is offering a Peace Summit if Russia capitulates.
Russia’s response:
the Kiev’s draft resolution on ‘peace plan’ detached from realty – Tass
Sputnik expands: LINK

Nebenzia: Peaceful Negotiations Possible if Kiev Ensures No Threats Will Emanate From Ukraine
Russia is ready for peaceful negotiations on Ukraine if it helps ensure no threat will emanate from Ukrainian territory in the future, Russian Envoy to the UN Vassily Nebenzia said on Friday.
“The goal is to ensure that no threat will emanate from Ukrainian territory for Russia, and the discrimination of the Russian speaking population, and if this can be achieved through peaceful negotiations, we’re ready to engage,” Nebenzia said during a UN Security Council session.
The Russian envoy said that if peaceful negotiations are not possible, Moscow will achieve its goals through military means.
However, the envoy went on to note that Ukraine is currently promoting its idea to organize a Peace Summit everywhere but it is ultimately only an attempt to regain sympathy from the Western public.[.]
“Clearly this is merely an attempt to win sympathy among western public who are increasingly asking inconvenient questions about where the money provided to Kiev is going.”[.]
(original emphasis)

USNATOUKR are proven not agreement inclined. Fool me once.

Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 14 2023 1:32 utc | 161

Melaleuca | Jan 14 2023 1:12 utc | 152
There was a bit about Ukraine health stats in the Russian mod bio briefings. Not only diseases native to the area but also those native to pentagon labs. Has been a number of cases of exotic diseases since US labs kicked off in Ukraine.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2023 1:33 utc | 162

‘unboxed and repackaged’ and re-exported
Posted by: Likklemore | Jan 13 2023 19:39 utc | 60
US Treasury | OFAC Preliminary Guidance on Implementation of the Price Cap Policy for Petroleum Products of Russian Federation Origin (30 Dec 2022) excludes refined crude oil.

Once Russian petroleum products or Russian oil are substantially transformed (e.g., subjected to any of the refining processes listed below) in a jurisdiction other than the Russian Federation, they are no longer considered to be of Russian Federation origin, and thus the price cap no longer applies: distillation (crude – atmospheric, crude – vacuum), thermal processes (delayed coking, fluid coking including flexicoking, visbreaking), catalytic cracking (hydrocracking, fluid catalytic cracking), catalytic reforming, catalytic hydrotreating (desulfurization), alkylation, isomerization, solvent extraction (de-asphaltizing, lube solvent extraction), de-waxing, or other refinery processes involving chemical transformation, separation, conversion, or treatment.

Why? The mental midgets managing the Price Cap Coalition (G7’s term of art; look it up) sanctions are well aware (1) RF has evaded P&I Club re-insurance hazard by sea, (2) diverted crude from “unfriendlies” to “friendlies” anywhere else by pipe and tanker; (3) RF crude principal buyers are refininery operators in GCC, OPEC-Africa, Türkiye, China, India, Indonesia, etc; and (4) operators sell spot and forward orders of RF crude “distallates” on the open market—which is how G7 (supposedly excluding net importer US) procures fuel they cannot produce domestically. Knowing very well by now (following the EPIC Black Sea bottle-neck demo w/e 10 Dec orchestrated by Türkiye) that port stationed “professional services” self-reporting is impractical, ergo unenforceable, the Price Cap Coalition carved out a big ass indemnity for their “reliable” global “energy” brokers.
So here we are inexplicably crediting G7 yella press’s diesel hoarding in advance of the racketeers’ Feb fatwa on petroleum products of “Russian-origin”.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 14 2023 1:49 utc | 163

Likklemore | Jan 14 2023 1:32 utc | 158
Zelensky refusing to negotiate was not palatable to the Europeans. What appeared looks like a UK written peace plan. Very simple. Russia leaves territories that where previously Ukraine including Crimea. All Donbas militia forces to also leave Ukraine. Western media put lipstick on bullshit and call it a peace plan.
According to the Ukraine channels, Zelensky was under pressure from the Americans to put up something to pacify the EU. I think US does want Zelensky to negotiate but that will put an end to his personal gravy train. Not to mention the role of perfidious albion in trying to keep the US focused on Russia. Everything from the Ukraine channels indicates it is MI6 and not CIA that owns Zelensky.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2023 1:56 utc | 164

@ Posted by: b | Jan 13 2023 17:42 utc | 28
Colonel Markus Reisner on the War for Ukraine.
Thanks. I saw this a couple of hours ago. I write this w/o reading others responses, so maybe some duplication.
A very nice presentation. I made so many like this in my career. For this to be public released, it would have to go through layers of management.
For those who have been paying attention to all the on-line channels, with video clips from the front on both sides, the presentation is riff with over exaggerations and a few outright lies. Also missing is critical analysis on the EFFECTIVENESS of individual weapons systems. So, it is one thing to say “send more tanks and IFV’s” it is another thing to say “send more tanks that are survivable and lethal, send more IFV’s that will not be destroyed on the first hit”. And it may be that neither of those exist.
But for an analysis, what western (or old Soviet) weapons worked well for Ukraine, and which ones didn’t?
Been meaning to mention for awhile the Toch U system. Looks like Ukraine had 300 at the start (assumed launchers, with say maybe 4 rounds of resupply each). Between the start and April, this system was mentioned as much, or more than entire jets shot down. Not new and not modernly accurate, it was a key point for Russia to defend against and take out. The last report on one being used was early Dec. Before that, it had 2 or 3 months w/o mention. Conclusion is Russia hunted launchers and ammo to extinction, and supplies were eventually used up.
Next is the famed Bayraktar drone. It had it’s own pop hit! It was very successful in first 10 weeks. Non-military types predicted it would win the war for Ukraine. As with any drone, it has a weakness, the radio link to ground station. Once the Russians “captured” one and found the operating frequency, it was done for. The initial set was shot down by air force and EW means. The next bunch was brought down by EW only. They lasted only a month. The following shipment was brought down by EW in less than 2 weeks. The number of missions per airframe went from a 100 to less than 5 before destruction. I believe Turkey has stopped delivering them. It gave them a bad rep to be so easily defeated.
The next are IFV’s of every size, shape and origin. All have been shown to be destroyed by lightweight anti-tank missiles, artillery, and even small arms fire. They have been useful, but not overall survivable. Asking for 1,700 more is simply admitting the previous 1,700 are nearly gone.
HYMARS is the same. When first arriving, it was highly effective, because it was unknown. But again after “capture”, and a quick measuring of radar signature, and a quick software update to Russian ADA, it’s effectiveness is not that much better than older systems.
M777 is simply another towed artillery piece. Way more was claimed about it than what it produced. The Excalibur round is the lethal component, and it seems very few of those were supplied.
But what did Russia bring after the start? Two items in my mind that will accelerate their efforts.
First is the Lancet attack drone. Weekly video is released showing them hitting diverse targets: counter battery radar, S-300 radars, IFV’s, tanks and Polish Krabs artillery. I can guess that these are only a small amount of the attacks, just the ones with the best footage, and purposely shows the different targets taken out. It does not seem that Ukraine has found a way to stop them. Victories in the EW world don’t last long, but this one seems to have traction right now.
Next is the mystery. Project 305. Also known as LMUR Izdeliye 305. This is a bigger version of airborne anti-armor missiles like the Hellfire, but with longer range and warhead. It is just now being used in combination with updates to MI-28 and KA52. It will be waiting on the latest NATO tank deliveries. With the extended range, (2.5 times a Kornet) the helos can hover behind their own lines, and attack far to the rear of armor formations, or take out artillery/rockets launchers. With everything else being equal, this is a game changer.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Jan 14 2023 2:00 utc | 165

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 13 2023 22:22 utc | 115 “targets to muster at the Polish Ukraine border”
It’s very hard for them to hit mobile targets at that distance.

Posted by: Bill Smith | Jan 14 2023 2:03 utc | 166

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Jan 14 2023 2:00 utc | 162 “With everything else being equal, this is a game changer.”
To quote yourself: “But again after “capture”, and a quick measuring of radar signature, and a quick software update to Russian ADA, it’s effectiveness is not that much better than older systems.”
There has been only one game changer in this war and that is the supply of weapons across the border into Ukraine from the West.

Posted by: Bill Smith | Jan 14 2023 2:06 utc | 167

Posted by: sln2002 | Jan 14 2023 1:49 utc | 160 “The mental midgets managing the Price Cap Coalition”
https://www.investing.com/commodities/crude-oil-urals-spot-futures-historical-data
Until the stuff goes above $60 a barrel we won’t know how well it is or is not working.

Posted by: Bill Smith | Jan 14 2023 2:09 utc | 168

Worth a look. Emmanuel Todd is an interesting thinker

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 14 2023 2:12 utc | 169

‘Insignificant village’, you do realise it straddled an MSR? The UA General Staff certainly did, that’s why they lost 14 battalions trying to hold it. You do understand it was one of the lynch pins of the defence of Bakhmut, the Ukrainian Gov certainly do, that’s why they are still telling their citizens it’s being contested. Insignificant, As they say in The Prince’s Bride, ‘you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means’.

Posted by: Milites | Jan 14 2023 2:15 utc | 170

Washington and its vassals still want Russian resources and always will, just not that Moscow making a huge profit from these.

Posted by: Malwen | Jan 14 2023 2:16 utc | 171

dh | Jan 14 2023 1:32 utc | 157
Leapards require Germany’s approval. Apparently that is forthcoming and the German defense minister has resigned. I assume Germany is coming under pressure from the US. Cannon fodder is cannon fodder and I guess that covers all of Europe.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2023 2:26 utc | 172

Melaleuca @152–
That’s Neoliberalism in action. Similar fate the entire USSR experienced during the 1990s. One of Putin’s many priorities was to rebuild Russia’s health services, and their ministers are always present during his meetings with government members. The most recent chronicles what’s being done in the new territories to rebuild not just what was damaged but well beyond. I’m tempted to post what was discussed, but I’ll provide the link to my translation of the meeting instead, where you’ll find that material toward its end.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 14 2023 2:32 utc | 173

@Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2023 2:26 utc | 169
Leopards require Germany’s approval
Consider it done.
from Strategic Culture
There are a reported 2,000 German-made Leopards in service across 13 European countries. Officially, Berlin has to give its approval for countries to re-export the tank, which is seen as one of the world’s best in its class of main battlefield armored vehicles. That approval was swiftly forthcoming in [Vice Chancellor] Habeck’s affirmative response. German Chancellor Olaf Scholz is now under intense pressure to authorize the additional supply of Leopards directly from Germany to Ukraine. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 14 2023 2:43 utc | 174

Patroklos | Jan 14 2023 2:12 utc | 166
Thanks for putting up that link. There is still twinges of de Gaulle in France.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2023 2:47 utc | 175

“S-300s reach waay up”
most Russian aircraft downed seem to be by low altitude manpads.
S-300 though formidable, are difficult to hide. what cannot be hidden can be hunted.

Posted by: nothing but the trut | Jan 14 2023 2:49 utc | 176

Don Bacon | Jan 14 2023 2:43 utc | 171 “Consider it done.”
That is what I have been reading. Once again German tanks rolling into Ukraine. That will bring back some memories for the Russians. That is perhaps the main escalation, not so much the supply of tanks, but rather once again the great patriotic war. I suspect Russian leadership has seen this coming hence the major restructuring of its forces in Ukraine along with fast tracking of diverse weapons systems.
Lavrov stated right back at the change from phase one to phase two that Russia is once again fighting the combined forces of Europe. US sits back and chuckles at the stupidity of the Europeans.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2023 3:01 utc | 177

Myself, Escobar and others have tried to paint the Big Picture but so far have only traced the contours. With his latest SCF essay, Crooke splashes some color and perspective, “The 2023 War – ‘Setting the Theatre’”. At least we don’t need to reserve seats, although the ticket price is currently an open question. His intro sets flesh to bone:

A top US Marine General, James Bierman, in a recent interview with the Financial Times, explained in a moment of candour how the US is “setting the theatre” for possible war with China, whilst casually admitting as an aside, how US defence planners had been busy inside Ukraine years ago, “earnestly preparing” for war with Russia — even down to the “pre-positioning of supplies”, identifying sites from which the US might operate support, and sustain operations. Simply put, they were there, readying the battle space for years.
No surprise really, as such military responses flow directly from the core US strategic decision to actuate the 1992 ‘Wolfowitz Doctrine’ that the US must plan and preemptively act, to disable any potential Great Power — well before it reaches the point at which it can rival or impair US hegemony.
NATO today has progressed to war with Russia in a battlespace, which in 2023, may or may not stay limited to Ukraine. Simply put the point is that the shift to ‘War’ (whether incremental or not) marks a fundamental transition from which there is no going back to ab initio — ‘war economies’ in essence, are structurally different to the ‘normal’ from which the West began, and to which it has grown accustomed over recent decades. A war society — even if only partly mobilised — thinks and acts structurally differently from peacetime society.

I see my failure to attempt writing a movie or play script kept me from using that perspective to describe our ongoing drama. What’s the status with accessing SCF barflies; still troubles? Please reply if you do and I’ll post it here on some dead thread while posting its URL for easy access. Yes, his essay is that important. You’ll see Crooke again emphasize the issue of energy and other resources–commodities in Pozsar’s terms. Yes, Pozar holds a prominent place as we should take note it we haven’t yet, for he’s evidence that Big Money isn’t being fed the false narrative, which IMO is very important regarding how far the war is allowed to progress.

Russia and China however, are certainly not naïve, and have been busy setting their own theatre, ahead of a potential wider clash with NATO.
China and Russia can now claim to have built a strategic relationship, not only with OPEC+, but with Iran and key gas producers.
Russia, Iran, and Venezuela account for about 40% of the world’s proven oil reserves, and each of them are currently selling oil to China for renminbi at a steep discount. GCC countries account for another 40% of proven oil reserves — and are being courted by China to accept renminbi for their oil — in exchange for transformative investments.
This is a significant new battlespace being readied — ending Dollar hegemony through boiling the frog slowly.

Personally, I’m gratified that Crooke focused on the Geopolitics and Geoeconomics of our drama instead of dallying with the various ideologies at play as he’s done in the past. Yet, psychology clearly remains in play as previously proffered making Crooke’s conclusion very realistic:

The same dysfunctionality has been apparent in many slow-rolling western crises: Nevertheless, we persist… because protecting the fragile psychology of our leaders — and an influential sector of the public — takes precedence. The inability to countenance losing drives our élites to prefer sacrifice by their own people, rather than see their delusions exposed.
Hence, reality has to be abjured. So, we live a nebulous between-times — so much happening, but so little movement. Only when the outbreak of crisis can no longer be ignored — by even the MSM and Tech censors — might some real effort be made to address root causes.
This conundrum however, places a huge burden on the shoulders of Moscow and Beijing to manage the War escalation in a careful fashion — in face of a West for whom losing is intolerable. [My Emphasis]

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Together with the SCF editorial linked upthread, the small picture of Ukraine is coming into focus within the still hazy Big Picture. I’m sure the screenplay will be honed as we go forward.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 14 2023 3:04 utc | 178

@ Posted by: Bill Smith | Jan 14 2023 2:06 utc | 164
There is a big difference between a HYMARS which requires a high ballistic trajectory to make it’s range, and an anti-tank missile, even a longer range one. The anti-tank is much smaller, and uses a much lower altitude. It is unlikely to even appear on an S 300 tracking radar. Maybe a 2S3 could pick it up, and maybe be in a position to use massive 30 mm to take it down. But does Ukraine have them?
Western weapons (provided so far) have not been a game changer, but a game extender. It is unlikely the real game changing systems will be provided to Ukraine.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Jan 14 2023 3:09 utc | 179

I meant a 2S6. Sorry.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Jan 14 2023 3:10 utc | 180

Ukraine’s healthcare system is poorer than Honduras’ but Russia’s wouldn’t match Morocco’s, though.

Posted by: Malwen | Jan 14 2023 3:11 utc | 181

@174 This tank thing is very strange. Yes, Germany has given permission to other countries to export tanks but nobody seems in a hurry to be first. And will Germany be sending its own tanks? Who will crew them? Looks like a major escalation. I guess we’ll find out soon.

Posted by: dh | Jan 14 2023 3:20 utc | 182

Bungle @75 (and others)
I had the same reaction – he (Reisner) did not seem to be describing the same war I have been following for the past year.

Posted by: digital dinosaur | Jan 14 2023 3:23 utc | 183

Alistar Crooke defines the battle space of WWIII
https://strategic-culture.org/news/2023/01/13/the-2023-war-setting-the-theatre/

The China-Russia axis are lighting the fires of a structural insurrection against the West across much of the Rest of World. Its fires are aimed at ‘boiling the frog slowly’
A top US Marine General, James Bierman, in a recent interview with the Financial Times, explained in a moment of candour how the US is “setting the theatre” for possible war with China, whilst casually admitting as an aside, how US defence planners had been busy inside Ukraine years ago, “earnestly preparing” for war with Russia — even down to the “pre-positioning of supplies”, identifying sites from which the US might operate support, and sustain operations. Simply put, they were there,readying the battle space for years.
No surprise really, as such military responses flow directly from the core US strategic decision to actuate the 1992 ‘WolfowitzDoctrine’ that the US must plan and preemptively act, to disable any potential Great Power — well before it reaches the point at which it can rival or impair US hegemony.
NATO today has progressed to war with Russia in a battlespace, which in 2023, may or may not stay limited to Ukraine. Simply put the point is that the shift to ‘War’ (whether incremental or not) marks a fundamental transition from which there is no going back to ab initio — ‘war economies’ in essence, are structurally different to the ‘normal’ from which the West began, and to which it has grown accustomed over recent decades. A war society — even if only partly mobilised — thinks and acts structurally differently from peacetime society.
War is not about gentlemanly conduct… either. Empathy for others is its first casualty — the latter being a requirement for sustaining a fighting spirit.
Yet, the carefully curated fiction in Europe and the US continues that nothing really has, or will ‘change’: we are in a temporary ‘blip’. That’s all.
Zoltan Pozsar, the influential finance ‘oracle’ at Credit Suisse, has already made the point in his latest War and Peace essay (subscription only) that War is well underway – by simply listing the events of 2022:
The G7’s financial blockade of Russia (The West setting the battle space)
Russia’s energy blockade of the EU (Russia begins setting its theatre)
The U.S.’s technology blockade of China (America pre-positioning of sites to sustain operations)
China’s naval blockade of Taiwan, (China demonstrating preparedness)
The U.S.’s “blockade” of the EU’s EV sector with the Inflation Reduction Act. (The US defence planners preparing for future ‘supply-lines)
China’s “pincer movement” around all of OPEC+ with the growing trend of invoicing oil and gas sales in renminbi. (The Russia-China ‘Commodity Battlespace’).
This list amounts to one major geo-political ‘upset’ occurring, on average, every two months — moving the world decisively away from the so-called ‘normal’ (for which so many in the Consuming Class ardently yearn) to an intermediate state of War.
Pozsar’s list shows that the tectonic plates of geo-politics are seriously ‘on the move’ — shifts, which are accelerating and becoming ever more intertwined, yet that still remain far from arriving at any settled place. ‘War’ will likely be a major disruptor (at the very least), until some equilibrium is established. And that may take some years.
Ultimately, ‘War’ does make its impact on the conventional public mindset — albeit slowly. It seems to be fear of the impact on an unprepared mindset that is behind the decision to prolong Ukraine’s suffering, and thus trigger the War of 2023: An admission of failure in Ukraine is seen to risk spooking volatile western markets (i.e. higher interest rates for longer). And frank-talking represents a hard option for a western world — used to ‘easy decisions’, and ‘can kicking’ — to take.
Pozsar, being a finance guru, understandably is focussed in his essay on finance. But conceivably, the reference to Kindleberger’s Manias, Panics and Crashes is therefore not whimsical, but included as a hint to the possible ‘hit’ to the conventional psyche.
In any event, Pozsar leaves us four key economic takeaways (with brief comments added):
War is history’s principle driver of inflation, and the bankruptcy for states. (Comment: war-driven inflation and Quantitative Tightening (QT) enacted to fight inflation, are policies working in radical opposition to each other. Central Banks’ role attenuates to supporting war needs — at the expense of other variables – in wartime.
War implies an effective and expandable industrial capacity for producing weapons (rapidly), which, in itself, requires secure supply-lines to feed that capacity. (A quality which the West no longer possesses, and which is costly to recreate);
Commodities which often serve as collateral to loans become scarce – and with that scarcity, show up as commodity ‘inflation’;
And finally, War cuts new financial channels i.e. “the m-CBDC Bridge project” (see here).
The point needs underlining again: War creates different financial dynamics and shapes a different psyche. More importantly, ‘War’ is not a stable phenomenon. It can start with petty tit-for-tat strikes on a rival’s infrastructure and then — with every incremental ‘mission creep’ — slip along the curve towards full war. NATO is not just mission creeping in its war on Russia, it is mission jogging — fearing a Ukraine humiliation in the wake of the earlier Afghanistan débacle.
The EU hopes to halt that slide well short of full war. It is nonetheless a very slippery slope. The point of War is to inflict pain and attrit your enemy. To this extent it is open to mutation. Formal sanctions and caps on energy quickly metamorphose into the sabotage of pipelines or the seizure of tankers.
Russia and China however, are certainly not naïve, and have been busy setting their own theatre, ahead of a potential wider clash with NATO.
China and Russia can now claim to have built a strategic relationship, not only with OPEC+, but with Iran and key gas producers.
Russia, Iran, and Venezuela account for about 40% of the world’s proven oil reserves, and each of them are currently selling oil to China for renminbi at a steep discount. GCC countries account for another 40% of proven oil reserves — and are being courted by China to accept renminbi for their oil — in exchange for transformative investments.
This is a significant new battlespace being readied — ending Dollar hegemony through boiling the frog slowly.
The contesting party made the initial strike, sanctioning half of OPEC with those 40% of the world’s oil reserves. That thrust failed: the Russian economy survived — and unsurprisingly — the sanctions ‘lost’ those states to Europe, ‘handing them’ over instead to China.
China meanwhile is courting the other half of OPEC with an offer that is hard to refuse: “Over the next “three to five years”, China will not only pay for more oil in renminbi – but more significantly, ‘will pay’ with new investments in downstream petrochemical industries in Iran, Saudi Arabia, and the GCC more broadly. It will, in other words, build out the successor generation economy” for these fossil fuel exporters whose energy sell-by date approaches.
The key point here is that in the future, much more ‘value-added’ (in the course of production) will be captured locally — at the expense of industries in the West. Pozsar cheekily calls this: “Our commodity, your problem… Our commodity, our emancipation”. Or, in other words, the China-Russia axis are lighting the fires of a structural insurrection against the West across much of the Rest of World.
Its fires are aimed at ‘boiling the frog slowly’ — not just that of the dollar hegemony, but also that of a now uncompetitive western economy.
Emancipation? Yes! Here is the crux: China is receiving Russian, Iranian and Venezuelan energy at a big 30% discount.Meanwhile, Europe still gets energy for its industry — but only at a big mark-up. In short, more, and occasionally all, product added-value will be captured by cheap-energy ‘friendly’ states, at the expense of the uncompetitive ‘unfriendlies’.
“China – the nemesis – paradoxically has been a big exporter of high mark-up Russian LNG to Europe, and India a big exporter of high mark-up Russian oil and refined products such as diesel – to Europe. We should expect more [of this in the future] across more products – and invoiced not just in euros and dollars, but also renminbi, dirhams, and rupees’ ‘, Poszar suggests.
It may not look so obvious, but it is a financial war. If the EU is content to take the ‘easy way’ out of its fall into uncompetitiveness (via subsidies to allow for high-mark-up imports), then as Napoleon once remarked when observing an enemy making a mistake: Observe silence!
For Europe, this means much less domestic production – and more inflation — as price inflating alternatives are imported from the East. The West taking the ‘easy decision’ (since its renewable strategy has not been well thought through), likely will find the arrangement to be at the expense of growth in the West — a course prefiguring a weaker West, in the near future.
The EU will be particularly hard-hit. It has elected to become dependent on US LNG, just at the moment that production from US shale fields has peaked, with what output there is likely ear-marked to the US domestic market.
Thus, as general Bierman outlined how the US prepared the battlespace in Ukraine, Russia and China and the BRICS planners have been busy setting their own ‘theater’.
Of course, it doesn’t have to be like it ‘is’: Europe’s stumble towards calamity reflects an embedded psychology of the Western ruling élite. There is no strategic reasoning, nor ‘hard-decisions’ being taken in the West at all. It is all narcissistic Merkelism (hard decisions postponed, and then ‘fudged’ through subsidy handouts). Merkelism is so called after Angela Merkel’s reign at the EU, where fundamental reform was invariably postponed.
There is no need for thinking-things-through, or for hard decisions, when leaders are held by the unshakable conviction that the West IS the centre of the Universe. It is sufficient to postpone, awaiting the inexorable to unfold itself.
The recent history of US-led forever-wars is further evidence of this western lacuna: These zombie wars drag on for years with no plausible justification, only to be unceremoniously dropped. The strategic dynamics were easier suppressed and forgotten however, when fighting insurgency wars — as opposed to fighting two well-armed, peer competitor-states.
The same dysfunctionality has been apparent in many slow-rolling western crises: Nevertheless, we persist… because protecting the fragile psychology of our leaders — and an influential sector of the public — takes precedence. The inability to countenance losing drives our élites to prefer sacrifice by their own people, rather than see their delusions exposed.
Hence, reality has to be abjured. So, we live a nebulous between-times — so much happening, but so little movement. Only when the outbreak of crisis can no longer be ignored — by even the MSM and Tech censors — might some real effort be made to address root causes.
This conundrum however, places a huge burden on the shoulders of Moscow and Beijing to manage the War escalation in a careful fashion — in face of a West for whom losing is intolerable.

We live in interesting times…..
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jan 14 2023 3:29 utc | 184

@ my 171
Now it seems that Habeck’s approval wasn’t enough, Scholz has to make the decision not only for Germany but also on re-export from other countries, and Scholz is dragging his feet on it.
Reuters: “Scholz has yet to say whether he shares Habeck’s view or would allow Germany to send some of its own Leopards to Ukraine.”. . .here
He’s “mulling.”

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 14 2023 3:31 utc | 185

karlof1 | Jan 14 2023 3:04 utc | 175
Perhaps I am wrong but it looks to me both Russia and US are intent on keeping this war within Ukraine. Moving it into Nato countries opens a can of worms for the US. US has no intention of being destroyed to save its vassals. Perhaps that will change in the future. At the moment US is forcing Europe to walk the tightrope. Leopards into Ukraine means many European tank crews will be killed. Poland appears to be paying a price in dead at the moment though they will most likely end up with western Ukraine.
We now see the world gearing up for the decade or more of turbulence Hudson wrote about and I did not agree with at the time. I don’t think there will be direct conflict between US and Russia, though there could be direct conflict between US and China. But even there, US will be constricted as China is a Russian ally and a nuclear attack on China will be a nuclear attack on Russia. I assume you remember Putin’s speech where he talked about US nuclear attacks on allies in the Trump era.
Hybrid proxy wars for the foreseeable future plus the turbulence and small wars that go hand in hand with the collapse of empires.
And as always, much appreciate your input here.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2023 3:32 utc | 186

I don’t read three-window stuff.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 14 2023 3:37 utc | 187

@184
Especially if it’s in italics.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 14 2023 3:38 utc | 188

@182 According to this pressure is coming from Green and liberal parties in Germany for sending tanks. But no clear public majority.
https://www.ft.com/content/9e0e5ed8-a924-469d-bea7-dc0de81f2c82

Posted by: dh | Jan 14 2023 3:43 utc | 189

@ uncle tungsten | Jan 14 2023 0:47 utc | 146
I’ve been thinking Prigozhin was showing signs of Khadyrov Syndrome.
A little puffing out of pride is understandable, but neglecting at least brief reference to the contributions of others, such as the VDV blocking to North and South (IIRC) at Soledar, is crude and ungracious.

Posted by: John Kennard | Jan 14 2023 3:44 utc | 190

Nov 30: German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has said that Russia could no longer win the war in Ukraine on the battlefield.. . .here
So why send tanks?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 14 2023 3:47 utc | 191

Bloomberg
Germany will make a decision on sending Leopard battle tanks to Ukraine in the next week, as European allies assess how to help the government in Kyiv in the event fighting builds in the spring. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 14 2023 3:52 utc | 192

@188 No idea. Olaf has a lot on his plate. I personally would not care to be in one of those tanks.

Posted by: dh | Jan 14 2023 3:53 utc | 193

Milites@167
What some of our posters do not get is the melding of geography with military maneuvers and movements. There are perhaps three forms of geography which hamper fast moving assaults. In the battle of Tannenberg, when the Imperial Russian army was invading East Prussia right at the beginning of WWI, their forces became split and muddled by the Masurian lakes across that territory. They were unable to establish unit cohesion due to those water obstacles popping up all across a broad swathe of territory. Thus, the rushed in forces of Hindenberg and Ludendorff, who brought those corps and divisions from the Western front by means of Imperial Germany’s well built-up railway systems, were able to follow predetermined assembly plans and essentially succeed in defeating Rennenkamp’s Russian forces in detail.
From water obstacles to one readily grasped by students of military history, that little matter of attacking in primarily mountainous terrain can best be exemplified by General Kesselring’s professional employments of a not terribly large German military force against an Allied offensive moving northwards from Salerno and Naples, heading northwards to first run into the Hitler Line and after that the Gothic Line, which was anchored by the Rapido river and Monte Casino.
The German units made extensive use of mines and mortars, plus their superior LMG’s and the advantage of the high ground. Unable to even drive jeeps up those hills and mountains, the American and allied forces such as the Poles, the French North African troops and even British units from all across the Commonwealth; were first obliged to supply their troops first with mules and in the steepest areas with the backs of their soldiers. The First World War, in the Dolemites, was mainly fought by special mountain troops, Jaegers by the Austro-Hungarians and Alpini and Bersaglieri by the Italians. Mountainous terrain would qualify as second most difficult for the attackers.
Ultimately, we arrive at the most difficult of all battlefields for the attackers…highly built-up urban areas with multi-story buildings crowded close together and constructed of brick, concrete, steel and stone. You don’t even want to think about assaulting those places with any type of armor. Currently, our lesson here in the recently liberated Soledar, has been Russian lavish use of artillery, mortars and rockets to crumble the protective buildings…that and highly trained (and compensated) assault troops, the Wagners. The only equivalent assault units are to be found within the U.S. Marine Corps, all heavily indoctrinated and full of piss and vinegar along with a “gung ho” level of esprit de corps.
Again, that third and most plangent factor, urban agglomerations. Right across that now punctured main line of defense for the Ukies, one needs must check out a detailed map, where you will find a conglomeration of mid-sized and small cities, with a few villages and very little open land in between them. A heavily industrialized area, the largest such in either Ukraine or Russia itself and heavily fortified in Maginot Line fashion over the past 8 years by the Ukies, the Donbass is a nightmare for “Big Arrow” attacks based on armor and maneuver. Once Artemovsk/Bakhmut is liberated; Russian armor will be able to burst through the gap and head into the fat, flat, fertile steppe country. Instead of crawling along at perhaps just a few meters per day in that industrial zone, it’s quite possible that daily advances of Russian armor and their logistical trains could advance by double figures in kilometers on a daily basis.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2023 3:53 utc | 194

dh | Jan 14 2023 3:20 utc | 179
A pack of barking dogs wanting to attack the bear. All waiting for another to go first.
A bit of an anecdote. Yarding up some cleanskins one time. I used kelpies, but they western bred as hard biting cattle dogs, more for their herding instinct. Sal the female was was wide working eye dog but very protective of me. The two male dogs were a bit harder and closer working but if they didn’t like the job, they just said eff you and dissipated until I had cooled down.
Anyway, yarding up I came up quick on the bike as the tail of the mob was going through the gate. Too quick. A young cow on the tail turned and faced me from about two meters. Not a good place to be. I wondered what would happen it I put the dogs on her. Sal, the female dog I could trust but the other two which where bigger and heavier? And if they hit her which way would she go, straight over me in the direction she was facing or back into the mob. In the end I said get hold of her sal. Sal grabs it by the throat, the two male dogs ether side not to be outdone by a female grabbed and ear each. Lucky for me the cow decided discretion was the better part of valor, spun around and into the yard.
What we are seeing now is a pack of US dogs, none willing to go in first.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 14 2023 3:54 utc | 195

S | Jan 13 2023 23:46 utc | 132
>”…Zvinchuk, Medvedev and others are not “whinging,” they are doing exactly what the President has tasked them to do: find and publicize problems that must be solved.”
Interesting. Thanks.
…~…
That surely must be one of the special sauce ingredients In Putin’s longevity and undeniable achievements as Russian president.
He seeks, listens to, verifies, and acts on information reaching him across the stratum of society.
He knows well the old Soviet style of “cover your arse” lies up and down the chain of command.
Embowered within the world’s oldest profession is bureaucracy.
Putin’s early, annual national phone-a-thons, the Direct Line with Vladimir Putin was the strongest possible message that speaking out and speaking up was permissible.
Of course too much dissent and dissatisfaction opens too big a fissure for the Fifth columnists and western NGOSs to exploit.
So, take control of the disaffection. Have Medvedev speak, have him say “what people are really thinking”. Then have Putin step in and “resolve” the issue.
The alarming loss of lives of military males in sloSMO V.1… was causing angst and anger…. So, have journalists report.
Let the mothers speak of their grief. Let the nation share and empathise.
Then have Putin meet with a delegation. He now has a platform to touchstone the Great Patriotic War.
~…’Our grandfathers and fathers fought the Nazis. We are once again threatened by the very same Nazis, and we too must sacrifice for the Fatherland, just as those before us paid with their lives. How can we not.’
Medvedev fills the “utility player” role on the team.
Putin can’t waste the pristine diplomacy skills of Lavrov by having him make disparaging and rude comments..(Lavrov is allowed Maria, whose tongue lashings make the west wince).
Peskov is Putin’s official spokesman, so again, must be circumspect and restrained.
Meds-vedev is the court joker, the jester, a Pulcinella-style character.
He has the freedom to be as rude and vulgar as he wants when puncturing the pomposity of the west; simultaneously he is Putin’s valued deputy/nuncio, received with respect and gravitas by Xi.
Medvedev is allowed to vent; he provides that much needed pressure release.
Putin is the quintessential master of Politik. Knowing the best way to counter recusancy is to lead it yourself.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 14 2023 3:58 utc | 196

Sputnik
UNITED NATIONS (Sputnik) – Russia is ready for peaceful negotiations on Ukraine if it helps ensure no threat will emanate from Ukrainian territory in the future, Russian Envoy to the UN Vassily Nebenzia said on Friday.
“The goal is to ensure that no threat will emanate from Ukrainian territory for Russia, and the discrimination of the Russian speaking population, and if this can be achieved through peaceful negotiations, we’re ready to engage,” Nebenzia said during a UN Security Council session.
The Russian envoy said that if peaceful negotiations are not possible, Moscow will achieve its goals through military means.
However, the envoy went on to note that Ukraine is currently promoting its idea to organize a Peace Summit everywhere but it is ultimately only an attempt to regain sympathy from the Western public. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 14 2023 3:59 utc | 197

Bill Smith@164
Perhaps a more accurate description of Western arms as a perceived “game changer”…a better analogy might be the American football term of “delay of game”.
Speaking of that football analog, it might be amusing if the Russians make a major breakthrough on one of four possible fronts on Superbowels Sunday. Why Superbowels? Likely only fellow Yanks have a clear picture of the amount of junk food and beer American football fans devour on that most “precious” religious holiday.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2023 3:59 utc | 198

@ aristodemos | Jan 14 2023 3:53 utc | 191
the most difficult of all battlefields for the attackers…highly built-up urban areas with multi-story buildings
Yes, I often post that:
It took the mighty US army four years to pacify Baghdad, in a country with no government nor military.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 14 2023 4:03 utc | 199

bill smith @163
Billy Boy: The Russians do need to be within artillery or light rocket range to interrupt quite seriously the Ukrainian feeder coming in from Poohland. There have been several reports of stand-off Russian aircraft, hovering over Belarus, rocketing moving targets such as Ukraine’s fast fading aircraft from a distance of 200 kilometers.
Of curse those weapons are missiles rather than rockets, but missiling is so out of it that my automated spell checker insists on making it misfiring. Artificial Intelligence is not always self-correctable. The more “labor-saving” innovations we get, it seems that the more labor it takes to deal with the shit.
Ya gotta be quick on your toes to keep up with this war.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 14 2023 4:07 utc | 200