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January 12, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-11

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

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Its some cold – Can you make me a cup of Tea?
May be I can this time, but it’s a little dangerous due to smoking on UAF-InfraRED discovery drones locating us.
So that’s what a soldier is posting ..

Posted by: spare_truth | Jan 13 2023 4:44 utc | 201

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ #Chronicle of the Special Military Operation for 12 Jan 2023⚡️
♦️#Belgorod Region:
▪️ A Forpost reconnaissance strike UAV crashed in the village of #Severny, no victims or injured.
♦️#Starobelsk Direction:
▪️ There are no significant changes on the front line in this area. Positional fighting continues in the #Kupyansk and #Liman areas.
▪️ Along the line of contact, the sides are engaged in artillery duels. Russian forces have hit accumulations of troops in #Makeyevka, #Stelmakhovka and #Nevskoye.
In turn, the Ukrainian militants shelled #Starobelsk and #Chervonopopovka.
♦️#Soldar Direction:
▪️ Wagner PMC fighters continue with mopping up Soledar’s underground communications.
➖ North of the settlement, Russian forces are fighting for the Sol station.
➖ Russian paratroopers continue to advance on Krasnaya Gora and #Paraskovievka, with heavy fighting on the outskirts of the settlements.
▪️ The Russian paratroopers have completely liberated #Opytnoye south of #Bakhmut and are clearing the western outskirts of the settlement. The capture of the settlement allows the offensive to be extended to the southern outskirts of #Bakhmut.
♦️#Donetsk Direction:
▪️ Ukrainian formations continue to be pushed out to the western border of #Maryinka. Artillery strikes on Ukrainian positions are carried out almost continuously.
▪️ The Ukrainian terrorist forces have again shelled populated areas of the #Donetsk agglomeration. #Donetsk, #Gorlovka and #Makeyevka have been hit. One civilian was killed and four wounded in the attack on a milk factory in the DPR capital.
♦️#Zaporozhye Region:
▪️Russian artillery hit accumulations of enemy manpower and equipment in #Gulyaypole, #Malinovka and #Orekhov.
♦️#Kherson Direction on Southern Front:
▪️ Russian forces carried out artillery strikes on positions of Ukrainian militants in #Kherson, #Antonovka, #Dudchany and #Stepanovka.

https://t.me/sitreports/3265

Posted by: Down South | Jan 13 2023 4:45 utc | 202

Posted by: Down South | Jan 13 2023 4:45 utc | 201

The Ukrainian terrorist forces have again shelled populated areas of the #Donetsk agglomeration. #Donetsk, #Gorlovka and #Makeyevka have been hit. One civilian was killed and four wounded in the attack on a milk factory in the DPR capital.

This “.. Have again shelled populated areas ..” should be no longer tolerated.
Esp. Donetzk City should be freed of permanent UAF/Mercaneries shelling!
Why still – since last 3 months – not yet secured by RF ?
Find them NAZI’s bunkers and destroy their US-HIMARS fire stations ! asap. via Helicopters!

Posted by: spare-truth | Jan 13 2023 5:04 utc | 203

Governor General was shared by Australians. Right up to (and even after) the GG sacked the Prime Minister ….
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 13 2023 4:44 utc | 199

In 1975??? Done legitimately to resolve a legislative impasse and force an election.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 13 2023 5:06 utc | 204

Consider that NATO wouldn’t have a clue about what to do with Russia if it captured it. That’d be a plot for a farcical comedy movie. It could be made like a Three Stooges one.

Posted by: barstool | Jan 13 2023 5:10 utc | 205

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2023 3:49 utc | 188
Fair enough, indeed it’s a clown circus, kabuki theater, whatever you want to call it. My point in responding re: Santos was that he demonstrates that it’s only getting more outrageous and fantastical every passing year. The guy hasn’t ever told the truth once in his entire life. You know what they say about how to tell when a politician is lying tho….his lips are mov…..

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 13 2023 5:11 utc | 206

Posted by: Jen | Jan 13 2023 4:37 utc | 196
Thanks for that. How’d you figure out that it’s operated from Kazan? IP reverse lookup? Like you, I couldn’t find anything about its ownership or finances and they don’t have an “about” page unless I missed it. And yes, the reason I had these questions is the overly cynical and pessimistic tone it takes on the SMO.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 13 2023 5:13 utc | 207

Just the piano player here but Reuters has a current posting up with the title
Ukraine says its forces hold out against Russia in battle for Soledar
History is written by the winners….

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 13 2023 5:13 utc | 208

I’m new here and too be honest…bad with technology…so haven’t figured out how to reply to specific posts. I’m responding to the post about about the United States trying to tie up lands in northern territory…. Darwin harbor and then shifting to W.A. …..what is specifically going on in western Australia? You do know of the coup against Gough Whitlam?

Posted by: Joe | Jan 13 2023 5:14 utc | 209

Posted by: barstool | Jan 13 2023 5:10 utc | 204
That’s because “NATO” as though it’s a singular organization with any capabilities beyond selling weapons wouldn’t be involved. Nah, it’d be just like Yeltsin’s days. Wester private oligarchical finance/financiers/robber barons would dictate the team assigned by the US/UN/EU to oversee the balkanization of the RF into easily obstructed/sabotaged statelets, then dismantling of any public commons, the privatization fire sale of said commons into Western FIRE sector hands followed by years of austerity forced upon the people of those places by the IMF at the behest of the Western private financiers.
IOW, the standard post-Soviet neoliberal playbook.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 13 2023 5:17 utc | 210

@79
People like you are the reason others simply don’t take the Bible seriously. You try and make everything Jesus said futuristic! If you would have just read a little further in Luke 21:32 and Matt. 24:34 you would have known that Jesus was not taking about some future armageddon. The things He spoke of was to happen in that very generation. That event was the destruction of Jerusalem of AD 70. Not the war in Ukraine or any other future war here on earth.
Then you vaguely mention Daniel… I suppose you referred to Daniel 11 about the “King of the North”. This has no relation to anything today. It referred to the war between Syria and Egypt. The “king of the North” mentioned in Daniel 11 is actually a series of Greek kings in Syria of the Seleucid dynasty. Syria is to the north of Israel, so the king in Syria is the “king of the North.” Egypt is to the south of Israel, so the series of Egyptian kings of the Ptolemaic dynasty is the “king of the South” in this passage.
Then you mention Rev. 6:4 as though this was the cumulation of all that is to happen in the “end”. But Revelation has 22 chapters so that’s not all folks.
Lastly, again you take Mark 13:8 and try to apply that verse to today’s wars. But again, Jesus said in verse 30 “Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.” So if that verse is meant for today. The people Jesus spoke to are now over two thousand years old!
So please don’t try and post some obscure Bible verses that you have no clue what their meaning are to some war you want to be the “Last” war or your own “armageddon. It’s people like you who give the Bible a bad name.
For more on what the Bible says…
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmcuiaQ5hAt3Hjz-VXG5-VQ

Posted by: DALE FERGUSON | Jan 13 2023 5:19 utc | 211

If not being able to destroy the HIMARS start launch locations,
I wonder what a RF-Sat location resolutiion is worth-while to be used to fight on that HIMARs! May be RF has a real problem with US-HIMARS systems to fight them catched/destroyed in air. … No good AIR technics of defense by RF nowadays ..?
Crimea with newly delivered “long range” NATO HIMARS rockets (>300km) possible?
Let’s wait .. RF isn’t as crazy as US in last 20 years. RF has learned a little.

Posted by: spare-truth | Jan 13 2023 5:22 utc | 212

If it is nowadays (Fr. 13-JAN-2023) has starting a “real war” between US_NATO and RU-Federation, I just wonder, why RU is still so relatively “calm” of that ..
Are weak? – are supid? – NO !
RU/RF is now ready, prepared to start a “some new” modern fighting methods, that NATO has not yet realized till today.
We’ll see what happened ..
But I suppose that it is a non-good way for Europe (incl. Nuclear work-out of Brussels)!
All best – v.d.Liars. Female first – BBoeck!

Posted by: spare-truth | Jan 13 2023 5:41 utc | 213

“This blog is a magnet for the single largest collection of paranoid, psychotic, homicidal maniacs ever known to mankind.”
And you must be incredibly brave for telling them that, whoever they are! 🙂
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 13 2023 3:39 utc | 185
I don’t know which publication characterises them but the people you describe are mostly found in govt and particularly in govt in the USA which believes any signs of independent life is a direct threat to it.
If you are sincere perhaps you should get out more.

Posted by: abrogard | Jan 13 2023 5:42 utc | 214

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 13 2023 4:44 utc | 199
Sorry: Opport is correct. You do Australia, eh.

Posted by: Laurence | Jan 13 2023 5:42 utc | 215

Port Arthur Tasmania was 10,000% fake. They were lucky the internet didn’t really exist as we know it now, and social media woulda destroyed the narrative instantly.. but.
If @bar intends to discuss further… It’s really an open thread topic. Not Ukraine.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 13 2023 3:33 utc | 184
I would like to see any info on this. I was sold shortly after the time on the counter narrative: that it was a fake CIA thing or something… but could never find anything further to support that… and he just ended up in jail for life..

Posted by: bullocky | Jan 13 2023 5:49 utc | 216

@all
All of You are at a critical status, still currently watched by xxx (pls. fill xxx as you like).
So pls continue to say what the hell may to have said on any of subjects/issues here!
The video of dead-shooting 3 soldiers shows you – at least – the real soldiers life before ‘end’ without any last Msg. to your wife & childs!
Putin will stop that asap. – within 3 years. Believe? – Or Not?
Thanks for reading ..

Posted by: spare-truth | Jan 13 2023 5:58 utc | 217

White House National Security Council Strategic Communications Coordinator John Kirby:
We don’t know how it will develop further. So I will not predict failure or success in this case. But, even if Russia takes Bakhmut and Soledar, this will not have a strategic impact on the war itself. And this certainly will not stop or slow down the Ukrainians in their attempts to regain their territory.
This is what we mean by level.
It remains that Biden said that Bakhmut and Soledar are not really needed.
Zin Note: Funny how these strategic strongholds become irrelevant when they lose them, while they dump corpses in to defend them…

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/28663

Posted by: Down South | Jan 13 2023 6:15 utc | 218

FieryButMostPeaceful | Jan 12 2023 15:46 utc | 2
Good idea. Love it. Sanction the USA and make Lindsay Graham and all the other arrogant unfeeling psychopaths soil their pants and start worrying about their own health and safety rather than destroying other peoples lives.

Posted by: Ike | Jan 13 2023 6:22 utc | 219

I also saw the Christchurch massacre video and I saw no blood anywhere either. Unless we are willing to accept that that was a fake as well , I think it was real.
Posted by: Brother Ma | Jan 12 2023 21:24 utc | 81
It was fake. You could even see the blood squib on the dummy in the street. It didn’t detonate and when the sleeve blew up, you could see the rectangular shaped packet of blood. Also there were no bullet holes nor damage to any of the walls, and the videos showed “bodies” piled up in the corners before the guy entered. As soon as video panned to it, there were already heaps of these “bodies” in the corners. Inspection of stills of the video, you could make out that they were dummies. They used a combination of dummies and crisis actors. Also his bullets and cartridges disappeared into thin air at one part. Also, just like many of these other media hyped mass-shootings, there just happened to be police nearby conducting exercises. In that case there was a big sharp-shooter convention going on at the time.
Posted by: MiniMo | Jan 13 2023 0:57 utc | 144
Anyone got any links to this video by a miracle chance?

Posted by: bullocky | Jan 13 2023 6:26 utc | 220

Posted by: Jen | Jan 12 2023 22:38 utc | 101
Stalingrad is a very large tableau and made possible by Hitler’s fanatical obsession with taking the city. Zhukhov had forces from the Far East because Japan decided to attack Pearl Harbor rather than take further casualties in Manchuria trying to fight Red Army.
USSR also received Intelligence on Wehrmacht from Royal Corps of Signals Listening Stations across Persia and Central Asia set up in 1920s which were decrypted in Bletchley.
There was a lot more to this battle than simply men involved in close combat in a metropolitan region and NOTHING of the sort took place in any area where Western Allies were engaged – not in Monte Cassino and not in Falaise and not in Huerttgenwald………
Most people are ignorant of what actually took place in Operation Bagration or Operation Uranus or anything that happened on the Eastern Front where 80% German casualties fell – including the father of Gerhard Schroeder and brother of Helmut Kohl – which shaped their desire for excellent relations with USSR/Russia.
Merkel. aka Kastner aka Kazimierczak, granddaughter of a Berlin policemen who changed his Polish name to German – is the postwar generation that has caused so much trouble whether Blair, Brown, Cameron, Macron, Hollande, Scholz, etc

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 13 2023 6:27 utc | 221

@217 ref. Slavyangrad , US-NSC John Kirby

.. But, even if Russia takes Bakhmut and Soledar, this will not have a strategic impact on the war itself ..

May be, but “we” have to wait for the next real-going ahead towards western areas ..

Posted by: spare-truth | Jan 13 2023 6:29 utc | 222

Some posters here occasionally refer to the Khazars. I became curious. If you are curious – find a map of Khazaria and overlay it onto the battle ground in Ukraine. Then read some history about this wealthy kingdom…

Posted by: MG | Jan 13 2023 6:32 utc | 223

re Down South | Jan 13 2023 6:15 utc | 217
and that execrable propagandist John Kirby….
see below, Mark Sleboda, from his Dec 22 article over at substack
https://marksleboda.substack.com/p/bakhmut-meatgrinder-and-copium
“….The recent Russian advances in Bakhmut as Kiev regime counteroffensives elsewhere petered out, due in no small part to the drain of reinforcements and supplies pulled from other fronts into the Bakhmut “vortex”, and the city’s fall appearing to be just a matter of time, have led to a ridiculous amount of latter-day copium coming out of Western MSM outlets suddenly downplaying the importance of the city, ubiquitously referring to the Russian focus on taking the city as “senseless”, “meaningless”, “pointless”, and even “offering no operational benefit”.
And bitter bitter petulant copium is exactly what it is.
Russia has perfectly obvious strategic and political reasons for focusing on the city, that the Western MSM is playing down to lessen the inevitable morale blow of Kiev regime defeat and desperately maintain the “Ukraine is winning” fan fiction when Bakhmut does fall….”
recall what Noam Chomsky said last year about the whole Ukrainian invasion/special military operation, “Of course, it was provoked. Otherwise they wouldn’t refer to it all the time as an unprovoked invasion.”
and now with the fall of Bakhmut and the other cities and towns in that area, Kirby and the NYT and other mainstream media propaganda outlets want us to believe that this isn’t a significant defeat for Nato/Ukr and a strategic win for Russia, in its de-militarization campaign against the Ukr proxy army

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 13 2023 6:40 utc | 224

.. going ahead towards western areas .. (be lucky Biden-Hunter, H.Clinton, Pentagon, CIA)
that means also to get on “new” very close positions near border USA, border Canada.
Exercises and plan schedules are still running today, even N-Korea is interested but not yet involved. WW-III is running on a small-smoking level, when US further escalates, seem to follow the 1st. Zirkon (or even Poseidon) fired towards Washington-DC.

Posted by: spare-truth | Jan 13 2023 6:42 utc | 225

Melaleuca #172
:))
Burn em up baby. Well done.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 13 2023 6:43 utc | 226

barstool #204

Consider that NATO wouldn’t have a clue about what to do with Russia if it captured it. That’d be a plot for a farcical comedy movie. It could be made like a Three Stooges one.

NATO did capture it in the early 90’s. They listened to the advice of stupid piss head President and agreed that a black belt Ju Jitsu strongman be appointed prime Minister and then get him elected President after the con man piss head ‘President’ stood down.
NATO organised the election of the black belt Ju Jitsu President.
Vlad Putin and his team of super heros threw UKUSA/NATO out on its arse, snafu’d the oligarchs, terminated a few traitors and laughed.
The godess assures me you only get one Russia, the UKUSA had their share and gave it back. LOSERS.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 13 2023 7:08 utc | 227

Wagner blues, those goddam Wagner blues runnin round my brain.

The American government is alarmed by the success of the “musicians.”
Washington pursues its main goal, which is to neutralise this company.
“We know that this group is recruiting soldiers in Serbia and other countries around the world, and we are concerned about this. “That is why we are working with the government in Belgrade, as well as with the rest of the world, to neutralise their activities,” said US State Department spokesman Derek Scholle.
In addition, American diplomats stepped up the collection of data on Wagner’s activities in the countries of the African continent.

Methinks the UKUSA should fear them with mighty fear. They are almost as good as the Russian Army so I guess that’s something the UKUSA clown cart could be thankful for. Here at Slavyangrad

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 13 2023 7:38 utc | 228

DALE FERGUSON | Jan 13 2023 5:19 utc | 210
“The things He spoke of was to happen in that very generation. That event was the destruction of Jerusalem of AD 70. Not the war in Ukraine or any other future war here on earth…
It’s people like you who give the Bible a bad name.”
Dogmatists like you are among those who distort the interpretation of scripture. Jesus himself quoted what Daniel wrote about the desecration of the temple in 168BC as referring simultaneously to events of that past time and to events to come soon after his own death, and therefore also possibly to events in the more distant future.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jan 13 2023 7:40 utc | 229

Oldhippie a couple of threads back posted a video of a Russian soldier storming a UAF foxhole. Further info on one of those killed

‼️One of those destroyed by the “🅾️” group in the video near Kremenna turned out to be a veteran tik-tok warrior Vitaly Milevsky
.
Call sign “Medvedik” of the separate Nazi special forces battalion “Wild Field” had combat awards, tried to capture him and ended up eliminated by an ordinary Siberian guy.
The AFU man had been missing from contact since 30.12.2022, and now he has been found.
Earlier, Ukroresources wrote nonsense about our fighter allegedly firing at their men disguised in AFU uniform.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/28686

Posted by: Down South | Jan 13 2023 7:46 utc | 230

So here is Russia’s gold Bradley challenge at https://t.me/Slavyangrad/28650

Does this mean that the Americans have supplied the AFU with a “miracle weapon” that will change the course of the war? No! Bradley has many shortcomings and we have something to destroy this IFV with. The presence of dynamic protection does not guarantee the survival of the vehicle even after a cumulative grenade hit from an RPG, and the side armor will not cope with the guns of our BMP. About what will happen to the Bradley when meeting with a tank shell, we will simply keep silent.
Russian military commanders and patriotic bloggers promise mountains of gold to whoever destroys the first Bradley, not because it is such a terrible enemy, but because it is priceless to show the world footage of burning modern American technology.

I immediately thought of County Joe – be the first comrade on the block to send a Bradley home in a box.
Is there a bonus if an Iranian drone named Soleimani gets the job done. Imagine the outrage if it was crowdfunded 😉

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 13 2023 8:05 utc | 231

re Down South | Jan 13 2023 6:15 utc | 217
I wanted to reply to this one by South, but it wouldn’t go through
alas

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 13 2023 8:12 utc | 232

The latest Brian Berletic…debunking the notion of western tanks being of any real significance in Ukraine…
Will Western Main Battle Tanks Turn the Tide in Ukraine What do Russian Gains in Soledar Mean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13MBwNsFWLs
From the description:

78,474 views Jan 12, 2023
Update on Russian military operations in Ukraine for January 13, 2022.
– Russian advances near Soledar and Bakhmut contradict “Ukrainian offensive momentum” narrative;
– Russian operations are consistent with the “demilitarization” objective for the special military operation;
– Bakhmut & Soledar are fortified cities along one of Ukraine’s last defensive lines in the Donbass region;
– West is announcing plans to send Western main battle tanks including Challenger 2 and Leopard 2 tanks;
– Challenger 2 and Leopard 2 tanks use different ammunition & both require an additional crew member (loader) increasing training demands for Ukrainian forces;
– The large variety of equipment the West is sending will create additional burdens for Ukrainian forces without any notable benefit;
– Western main battle tanks have proven to be vulnerable to (Russian-made) modern anti-tank weapons even under relatively ideal conditions;
– Ukrainian forces will be going into battle without sufficient artillery or air cover and facing off against Russian forces reinforced with an additional 300k men, new defenses, and an influx of new weaponry;

– RSH

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Jan 13 2023 8:19 utc | 233

Posted by: Activist Potato | Jan 13 2023 2:20 utc | 167
Right on the money, imo. The ukie strategy of squandering men only makes sense if Nato starts the direct war with Russia. That’s what, whether they know it or not, want it or not, that’s what they effectively been gambling on.
Another gamble apparently is that the western Ukrainians think they get on the EU gravy train through means of Poland absorbing them in. The price tag for getting out of the Ukrainian army (i.e. sparing oneself from a trip to Bakhmut) is $30-40k. There’s a good reason why only poor people are on the front.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 13 2023 8:19 utc | 234

Listening to the Scott Ritter interview referenced in this thread… The link again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsWQYBIoSWU
He’s really grim in this one. Basically he says “It’s over…WWIII is inevitable if NATO doesn’t stand down. Prove me wrong.” He’s given up hope, he says. From the video description:

Excerpt from a webinar by Diane Sare on January 8, 2023
Watch the full event at https://rumble.com/v24xb2c-sare-for-senate-webinar-can-nuclear-war-be-avoided.html
Thank you Diane for having me. Thank you Colonel Black for speaking, and Helga also.
I was struck by the music of Diane’s chorus, Mozart’s Requiem. I’m not quite the classicist that you are, Diane. I come from a more, shall we say, working class musical foundation. But when I conjure up the music that is sufficient to describe the topic at hand, which is nuclear conflict, I always get Johnny Cash’s song, “The Man Comes Around,” and the final verse of that, which is spoken by his voice, which is rattling, because he was literally on his death-bed: “I heard a voice in the midst in of the Four Beasts, and I looked and beheld a pale horse, and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.”
That’s what we live in, today. This isn’t some sort of future look into hellish Earth. Death is on a pale horse, riding to us, as we speak! And if you don’t recognize that, if you’re not aware of that, then you’re going to just blissfully go to the abyss, the Armageddon that Helga spoke of. We are on the cusp of thermonuclear war.
I keep hearing people talk about comparing the situation we face today with the Cuban Missile Crisis: Let me tell you something about the Cuban Missile Crisis. (A) I was a baby, so I don’t know anything firsthand. But (B), I used to be good friends with a gentleman named William Pope, who was right there next to Kennedy, when this happened. Do you know how we avoided nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crisis? Diplomacy. Old-fashioned diplomacy. Americans talking to Russians, Russians talking to Americans. Politically, we may not have been able to do that, up front, through standard negotiations, but we had back-channels that were approved by the President of the United States and by the General Secretary of the Communist Party, Khrushchev.
But today, we don’t talk. And we have our intelligence heads meeting in Ancre and other places around the world, but this isn’t a negotiation. We are in the midst of, not just a heightening of tensions, but we lack the mechanisms to resolve these tensions. There is no diplomatic interaction worth of the name, between the United States and Russia, today.
I just had lunch with Anatoly Antonov, the ambassador from Russia, and he laments the fact—here’s a man, this is a man, because of what you think of Russia, of him personally, I don’t care! I really don’t! He’s a man that sat down across from American negotiators during the administration of Barack Obama, and negotiated the New START Treaty, the last arms control treaty in existence today, between the United States and Russia. He was the Russian negotiator. So he’s a man who’s accomplished far more than any of the people that currently reside in a State Department bay in any capacity! Not a single one of them has accomplished what Anatoly Antonov has. And yet, he’s the ambassador of Russia to the United States, and he sits in a gilded cage: He’s not allowed to interact, nobody wants to interact with him, nothing is happening! Except this, and this is something he has spoken of, and senior State Department officials have spoken of.
Because, at the time I met him, it was the 35th anniversary of the signing of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty [INF]. That happens to be a treaty that I played an important part in implementing. It was signed in December of 1987, and began implementation on July 1st, 1988.
There was a reunion of sorts of all the old INF hands, and we had somebody from the State Department speak who was off the record, so I can’t identify the individual or the content of their presentation, except to make the following note: There was widespread recognition on the part of everybody there, that the State Department no longer had any say whatsoever—any say, whatsoever—in the nuclear posture of the United States of America. And that, when it comes to nuclear issues, in matters relating to the nuclear enterprise, the Department of Defense reigns supreme. It is responsible for every aspect of the nuclear enterprise to this day, who include any notion of arms control negotiations.
When I brought this up to Ambassador Antonov, he said: Well, sadly, because nothing exists in a vacuum, you can’t expect the Russians to retain a certain expertise in arms control negotiation, if it isn’t exercised. It’s like any muscle: if you don’t exercise it, it atrophies. And the Russian negotiation component has likewise atrophied, and stepping into the vacuum is the Russian Ministry of Defense.
So we have the world’s two largest nuclear arsenals, and the people responsible for coming up with mechanisms to control these arsenals, and to hopefully diminish these arsenals, are the very same people who are responsible for modernizing these arsenals and making these weapons more relevant to their respective national security postures!

– RSH

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Jan 13 2023 8:25 utc | 235

NemesisCalling writes:
“Even Kursk, where myth has stated that the Soviets outgunned the Germans, the Germans still gave them the what-for. Further to this myth of Soviet-warpower hitting on all-cylinders as opposed to the correct anaylsis where the Soviets simply outmanned the Germans something like 3-4:1 or more, the Germans had to send eastern divisions to meet the Ally Invasion of Sicily, giving the Soviets the upper-hand.”
Cope, Nazi. From Moscow to Stalingrad, the Soviet advantage was the industrial relocation to the Urals, and then agility and defense, not your Muscovite hordes, which are the imaginings and excuses of racist Wehrmacht soldiers and Nazi generals.
Given the Nazi goals at Kursk, to reverse the whole situation on the “eastern front”, it was a catastrophe for them. And the Soviets saw it coming from a mile away — thanks to superb operational intelligence and espionage.

Posted by: line islands | Jan 13 2023 8:26 utc | 236

Posted by: htyul | Jan 13 2023 2:54 utc | 173
thanks for that link. damn, that was a powerful and moving performance.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 13 2023 8:46 utc | 237

a thing i read often here in the comments are that stopping the war means the abandon of dollar as a reserve currency. then what should be the new reserve currency? the yuan don’t fit and chinese don’t want to change theri economy in a financial services provider (being the world factory is better). other countries with reserve currency doesn’t exist. there’s neither a basket of reserve currencies that would replace the dollar. it have no sense. maybe if the usa navy would be wiped out by china the situation would be different. and supporting ukraine instead asia countries and usa navy is the fastest way to lose with china. the usa people shouldn’t be worried for that war, but for next one. “funny” that these usa people talks about nuking Europe to make people migrate to the us. wow. and then who’ll buy usa stuff? the chinese people? or the afrikans?. there are less desperate means to boost usa producivity?

Posted by: giandavide | Jan 13 2023 9:33 utc | 238

giandavide | Jan 13 2023 9:33 utc | 236
“a thing i read often here in the comments are that stopping the war means the abandon of dollar as a reserve currency. then what should be the new reserve currency?”
This and the rest of your comment assumes the perpetuity of globalization, but globalization is reaching its end. Soon there will be no such thing as a reserve currency, nor should there be.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jan 13 2023 9:51 utc | 239

Just a coupla things, the first many may disagree with which concerns the vid posted about 24 hrs ago which shows the morally ambivalent results of humans trying to kill each other.
I’m in the fortunate position of not having viewed it, simply because at least one day before the link was posted here, it had featured on TeleGram in a post that described its contents in sufficient detail for me to know that since personal experience had taught me how awful war is, that no matter what your experiences and beliefs may be, war will disabuse you of them and compromise you in ways that you may well have believed before then, were impossible. I have no wish to see any other human breathe their last ever again, if only because those who are killed are frequently the least deserving of a brutal death, of course for their bosses that may be an entirely different matter yet it is the ignorant, those stupid of reality whose lives are curtailed most often. All that is a long way of suggesting that those who wish to post these images would probably gain a better result by describing the vid’s content on the post. This is not a criticism of the poster merely a suggestion to reduce instances of unwanted disgust.
The second thing that has occurred to me today since it’s Friday MoA’s arts day is that as we are in a place where western media are about an nth away from admitting salt city is lost that it behoves ll of us to quit with whatever our domestic overriding beliefs are, that the primary driver for Russia has been/still is the hard-working and brave men of Russia’s artillery.
Hence The Red Army Choir singing The Artilleryman’s Song once in remembrance of the incredible courage of the USSR’s artillerymen, now to praise the RF Army’s exceptionally brave & resourceful artillery.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 13 2023 10:06 utc | 240

Soon there will be no such thing as a reserve currency, nor should there be.
Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jan 13 2023 9:51 utc | 237

There are technically 8 world reserve currencies now, with the US Dollar at just under 60% and on a downtrend. There has to be an account surplus currency tabulated somewhere and of some form or other for any country that runs a trade surplus. That is all a bank deposit is, a placeholder for as yet undetermined goods/services to be carried out in the future.
The recent Zoltan Poszar (Credit Suisse) articles:
Commodity & War Encumbrance
and
War & Currency Statecraft
indicates how this might happen in view of the US/EU blatant weaponization of finance as part of this conflict.
He speaks of “Commodity Encumbrance” where, what was a previous dollar ore euro account surplus balance, would be an entitlement to be paid in gold, oil or any other agreed resource. I do not understand why he does not also include finished goods and/or human labor in the mix.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 13 2023 10:26 utc | 241

i like that Artilleryman’s Song, thanks Debs

Posted by: annie | Jan 13 2023 10:27 utc | 242

Posted by: giandavide | Jan 13 2023 9:33 utc | 236
SDRs or “Bancor”

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 13 2023 10:32 utc | 243

There are no significant changes on the front line in this area. Positional fighting continues… Along the line of contact, the sides are engaged in artillery duels… Wagner PMC fighters continue with mopping … Ukrainian terrorist forces have again shelled populated areas of…
Posted by: Down South | Jan 13 2023 4:45 utc | 201

Same report, every day, for a year. The talking heads on youtube said it was too muddy, must wait for negative temperatures. I don’t know how many weeks of -15C it takes to freeze mud but there is no offensive and I doubt it’ll be. The old strategy won’t be changed. In a few months they’ll take Bakhmut and slowly reach the new regions borders next years. The rest is for nato to take, especially Odessa for a little UK base.

Posted by: rk | Jan 13 2023 10:33 utc | 244

The rest is for nato to take, especially Odessa for a little UK base.
Of course it is……….you are the one with such inside knowledge…….and geostrategic experience

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 13 2023 10:42 utc | 245

John Kirby explaining “strategic unimportance” of Soledar. The guys body language seems pretty shaky and nervous. Of course the propaganda machine is propagating the same story everywhere, which probably means it actually was strategically important.
https://t.me/azmilitary11/33412

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 13 2023 10:50 utc | 246

Tom_Q_Collins @ 206:
I Googled “business” and “gazeta” and the results took me to the Business Online’s link. Google Translate rendered Business Online’s page into English and I looked around the page. The media outlet’s address is in Kazan and most sports, entertainment, culture and other articles there focus on events and news in Kazan and Tatarstan.

Posted by: Jen | Jan 13 2023 10:59 utc | 247

For those who are interested in military innovation: https://www.kp.ru/daily/27451/4705427/
“Artillery coordinates will be determined by sounds
Our military has developed good software for Android smartphones. It determines the coordinates of enemy artillery by the sounds of shots. In the magazine ” Arsenal of the Fatherland”report that this is a non-standard artillery reconnaissance tool used along with sound-measuring systems in service with the Russian army. The authors of the publication specify: “Four sound meters with smartphones (tablets) are located at a distance of 3-6 km from the line of contact. And with the help of such software, the time of detection of the sound of a shot is determined both in automatic and in manual mode. Time synchronization is based on the data of the satellite navigation system. If there is a connection between smartphones, internal synchronization occurs. The obtained values ​​are transferred to the central plate. And the coordinates of the sounding target are calculated. Which is quickly covered with a copper shell.”

Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Jan 13 2023 11:16 utc | 248

What would happen if Russia gave NATO an ultimatum – back off or Russia declares war on all the unfriendly countries?

Posted by: D J G | Jan 13 2023 11:23 utc | 249

Les USA viennent de fournir des M108/109 aux Ukrainiens or c’est vraiment une vacherie contre les Ukrainiens car cet engin est sous-motorisé avec un blindage en aluminium, une conception ancienne très mauvaise. On sait désormais que l’aluminium est impliqué dans les explosions thermobariques en dissociant l’eau produite par les explosifs azotés, l’hydrogène qui en résulte a la particularité d’être très véloce et de s’infiltrer partout puis de dégager beaucoup d’énergie en se recombinant avec l’oxygène de l’air. Voici quelques exemples récents des effets de l’hydrogène :
– Attentats du WTC / avion en aluminium + eau système incendie
– Explosion AZF en France / toiture en aluminium
– Attentat de Bali / véhicule en aluminium
– Attentat d’Oklahoma city / véhicule en aluminium
– Explosion de Beyrouth / Hangar sans doute en aluminium
– bombe Moab sur les Talibans en Afghanistan
Ça peut fonctionner avec de l’acier mais l’explosion primaire doit être bien plus énergétique car le point de fusion de l’aluminium est 1000°C plus bas que celui de l’acier, voici quelques exemples d’accidents industriels thermobariques :
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_d%27explosions_accidentelles_impliquant_du_nitrate_d%27ammonium
Bref, des chars avec des blindages en aluminium, passe contre Daesh qui a du flan entre les oreilles mais pas contre la Russie qui maîtrise ces concepts, ce n’est pas une bonne idée…

Posted by: Christophe Nicolas | Jan 13 2023 11:46 utc | 250

Est-ce que quelqu’un peut expliquer au pro-Ukrainiens à quel point les chefs USA n’en ont rien à fiche d’eux et savent bien qu’ils sacrifient l’Ukraine sans espoir qu’ils l’emportent.
Ces chefs n’agissent que dans le but de nuire à la Russie.

Posted by: Christophe Nicolas | Jan 13 2023 11:55 utc | 251

“Ces chefs n’agissent que dans le but de nuire à la Russie.”

Posted by: Christophe Nicolas | Jan 13 2023 11:56 utc | 252

“These leaders act only in order to harm Russia.”
Problème traduction

Posted by: Christophe Nicolas | Jan 13 2023 11:59 utc | 253

What would happen if Russia gave NATO an ultimatum – back off or Russia declares war on all the unfriendly countries?

It opens up a big can of hurt for Russia, one example, the unfriendly countries USA/NATO and about 50 others now legally at war can blockade ports and stop ships of the RF and friendly countries, it can even sink those ships if it determines or simply invents that they carrying weapons to Russia. Hence the SMO.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 13 2023 12:11 utc | 254

Oh, and forgot, they unfriendly countries are now free if not obligated to sink RF navy ships and subs, supply ships, merchant marine etc. anywhere in any ocean.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 13 2023 12:18 utc | 255

Debsisdead | Jan 13 2023 10:06 utc | 238
I have no wish to see any other human breathe their last ever again…
I have never experienced combat. Thank god. My old man, on the other hand, was a buck private in the U.S. Army in WW2. Battle of the Bulge, Ardenne forest. He never talked about combat, but for one time when I enquired about his bronze star…
Entering a village, his platoon was ambushed by the Germans. His buddy next to him was raked across the chest with machine gun fire which left him down and gasping for air with perforated lungs. Terrified, my old man, 21 years young, acting on instinct, put a couple of his fingers in the appropriate holes allowing the poor guy to catch his breath until the medic arrived. He survived the war.
Yeah, curiously, it’s the geezers who never saw the real horror show who seem eager to experience it second, or third hand.

Posted by: john | Jan 13 2023 12:27 utc | 256

Posted by: bullocky | Jan 13 2023 6:26 utc | 219
Just do a search for “Christchurch shooting video” and you’ll find it easily.

Posted by: Peter Williams | Jan 13 2023 12:35 utc | 257

Kiev starts to prepare Ukrainians for the sad news – western media reports on Soledar’s surrender are spreading on the channels controlled by the Ukrainian president’s office
Officially, the Kiev authorities still do not acknowledge the loss of Soledar, but the agenda of the Ukrainian media has drastically changed. There is now a direct message on various channels controlled by the Office of the President, preparing for a truthful statement about the actual situation through reports by Western analysts noting that Soledar has been surrendered. 
In the Ukrainian media space, an article by analysts from the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) is being circulated, explicitly stating that Soledar has fallen under Russian control. At the same time, neither Kiev nor the West benefits from admitting defeat in this direction, so the loss of the strategically important settlement is presented as a minor event, emphasizing that it does not imply the imminent encirclement of Artempvsk (Bakhmut).
In addition, Kiev-controlled channels cite Pentagon statements claiming that heavy fighting is still taking place in Soledar, thus delaying the inevitable moment of acknowledging the city’s loss to the AFU. Soledar has been under complete Russian control for several days – the Wagner PMC is now conducting mopping-up operations in the town, and the enemy resistance has been localized. And Kiev’s attempts to launch fakes with alleged video evidence are not crowned with success, nor is the prospect of revenge, which obviously will not succeed.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/28702

Posted by: Down South | Jan 13 2023 12:37 utc | 258

Posted by: D J G | Jan 13 2023 11:23 utc | 247
“What would happen if Russia gave NATO an ultimatum – back off or Russia declares war on all the unfriendly countries?”
Nothing. Now if Russia were to actually unilaterally declare war on any other NATO country, then there might be consequences.
But Russia wouldn’t do that, absent some considerably more serious provocation than at present, it’s an irrelevant question. Also if Russia were sufficiently provoked, they probably wouldn’t bother with declaring war until the first strike had been launched, whether that be conventional or nuclear.
Questions like these get asked by people with no appreciation of how the real world works. And then you get answers like the ones from LightYearsFromHome…
– RSH

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Jan 13 2023 12:42 utc | 259

The responses to this tweet from ‘The Economist’ show that Brits are under no illusions as to how the situation in the ukraine is developing.
“Victory for Ukraine is within sight. But so, too, are the risks that it brings”
https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1605874265177427969

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Jan 13 2023 13:10 utc | 260

I have come to the conclusion that Zelensky is a complete and utter animal. I feel for Zaluzhny as he is advising Zelensky to withdraw the troops in Bakhmut to safety and has also provided other sound military advice on the situation in other areas However, Zelensky is totally ignoring Zaluzhny’s requests and advice. I have often wondered why a President of a country would wantonly and knowingly send young men, middle aged men and older men into a veritable meat grinder to certain death. Especially when those men have had little or no training as conscripts. Ze is now looking to conscript 16yrs-18yr olds.
Well, I read in Pravda yesterday a tweet from a Russian Politician that said the USA was paying Zelensky around about USD1million per day for him to keep the war going. Obviously, Zelensky doesn’t give a damn about the Ukrainian people just himself. I hope and pray now that Russia make the BIG move and end this thing and hope they get to arrest Zelensky, Arestovich, Kuleba and other Ukrainian politicians and detain and put them on trial as the War Criminals that they are.
What decent human being would genocide their own population in this way just out of sheer greed and lust for money and power. Boy, Zelensky is showing himself to be 10 x worse than Hitler. He’s giving Hitler a good run for his money.
Shame on the USA, the EU and their morally and intellectually bankrupt politicians. Hell will have a special place for them and I hope that Hell is here whilst they live. They shouldl be locked up for the War Criminals that they are.
God Bless President Putin and Russia.

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Jan 13 2023 13:12 utc | 261

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Jan 13 2023 13:12 utc | 259
Hitler at least had an ideology, a belief system, coherent and capable of being comprehended if not particularly rational. Zelensky has no belief system, just straight up greed.
Well, he will get his. There won’t be any security tight enough, anywhere in the world, where the Russians can’t get at him eventually, during or after the war.
– RSH

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Jan 13 2023 13:41 utc | 262

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Jan 13 2023 13:12 utc | 259
Kapo (i.e. zelensky) has no agency. He says and does what his handlers tell him. I think he may have had a nervous breakdown somewhere in the middle of 2022. He overcame that with liberal use of coke and possibly other drugs. I think even without drugs he would have been okay if this was a very low intensity battle, US funds coming in and him getting a cut. However the battle had been catastrophic re UA casualties. Hence the need for drugs. And once you go alongwith vileness for some amount of time, it becomes part of you. Sage people of yesteryears always said it’s always a slippery slope. Search the word ‘kapo’ in wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapo

Posted by: RealBeast | Jan 13 2023 13:49 utc | 263

Russia should find a way to buy black market US arms in Ukr and ship them to US enemies in Syria.

Posted by: RealBeast | Jan 13 2023 13:51 utc | 264

I have come to the conclusion that Zelensky is a complete and utter animal. I feel for Zaluzhny as he is advising Zelensky to withdraw the troops in Bakhmut to safety and has also provided other sound military advice on the situation in other areas However, Zelensky is totally ignoring Zaluzhny’s requests and advice. I have often wondered why a President of a country would wantonly and knowingly send young men, middle aged men and older men into a veritable meat grinder to certain death. Especially when those men have had little or no training as conscripts. Ze is now looking to conscript 16yrs-18yr olds.
Posted by: Jo Dominich | Jan 13 2023 13:12 utc | 259

Zelensky is an animal, we can agree on that. But why the excuses for Zaluzhny?
I see multiple people expressing sympathy for Zaluzhny, which is just absurd.
Scott Ritter has on multiple occasions said that the Russians “see him as an honorable man”, etc.
Seriously, WTF?
AFU has been shelling civilians for years, escalated it drastically over the course of the war, and not just that, but once they got the anti-personnel M30A1 HIMARS rounds (the ones with the 180,000 tungsten shrapnel pieces) started unloading those on civilians too, in Kherson, Lugansk and Donetsk.
Now who is on top of the AFU hierarchy and is thus ultimately responsible for those barbaric war crimes (by either ordering them or not stopping them after the first time it happened)?
And who is posting photos of himself with Bandera’s portrait behind him?
The man is a bona fide Nazi war criminal and should have been taken out months ago if the Russians were truly serious about the whole denazification business.
And there is nothing to “feel for” him.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Jan 13 2023 13:53 utc | 265

@246
That acoustic detection system for counter battery fire was invented in 1917 and used to decisive effect by the British army when they turned the tide of the war in the summer of 1918.

Posted by: Paul Cockshott | Jan 13 2023 13:59 utc | 266

Yeah, curiously, it’s the geezers who never saw the real horror show who seem eager to experience it second, or third hand.
Posted by: john | Jan 13 2023 12:27 utc | 254
Tolstoy knew that. battle brag 12:00 to 14:20.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jan 13 2023 14:00 utc | 267

Posted by: shadowbanned | Jan 13 2023 13:53 utc | 263
I absolutely agree with you, shadowbanned. Just take a look at the twitter account of the Verkhovna Rada on New Year’s Day. It shows Zaluzhny in front of a portrait of Stepan Banderas, thus proofs he is a nazi.
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/01/06/ukraine-parliament-cheers-nazi-collaborator/

Posted by: Moses | Jan 13 2023 14:10 utc | 268

LightYearsFromHome | Jan 13 2023 12:11 utc | 252
They might have more to worry about than stopping shipping if their cities were being destroyed, don’t you think?

Posted by: D J G | Jan 13 2023 14:14 utc | 269

John:
Something is not right about that recollection, as told it couldn’t have been machine gun fire. The reason is that an exit wound from the ammunition it uses is bigger than your fist
I have used what would have been the chain-fed weapon in question, including using asbestos gloves to swap out the red hot barrel on it while prone (I don’t remember if that was supposed to be done every 500 rounds of continuous fire or every 1500 rounds, this was long ago, maybe neither but I do remember the normal chain length was 200 bullets).
[Since I’m down memory lane: it’s a bitch to carry three of them and other stuff while running alongside people doing a stretcher evacuation, all on very uneven shrubland (someone had to carry some of the equipment). They’re heavy, long (especially when carried over the shoulder by straps) and unwieldy. Then add that it was pure luck I didn’t break my foot when it went down an unanticipated pothole. Then there was something else to top it all off and ensure we were all very pleased in the end lol. I’m not going to lie; it was fun, it was fun then despite the intensity and strain and it’s fun now just as an old irrelevant memory I share with a dozen people I’ll never ever meet again]
The exit wound is the same as that of the old NATO machine gun and assault rifle standard —in stark contrast to the new “toy-gun” “needle-puncher” NATO standard which zips through.
NATO used the same weapon extensively for decades, Turkey must have produced hundreds of thousands of copies of them. NATO might even have some left to send to the new nazis.
· · ·
Barstool:
One only has to look at Alaska, Canada, northern Norway, and soon also most of Sweden and Finland to confirm your suspicions.
Throw in northern Japan too: these places (and northern Russia) could pretty much be the same single country. The real people in all these places would get along perfectly well, there’s next to zero real difference at the human experience level despite cultural superficial differences.
And Greenland and Iceland of course.
· · ·
Abrogard:
The clear insinuation in the text I responded to was that people at this bar were the people being referred to as such-and-such. I made a mockery of that by obviously pretending to feign ignorance of such an intention.
I think you know that (or maybe you just goofed?) but then you didn’t consider that it’s not a good idea to be cheeky if your argument relies on pretending to have a very low level of reading comprehension (I apologize if you weren’t pretending; everyone makes mistakes).
Furthermore it’s seldom a good idea to try to insult people he/she/you among other things claim are homicidal maniacs (which means they might murder you and find pleasure in doing so —and for your information I think you/they are already successfully making such a proposition seem reasonable), just on the off chance that they happen to actually be homicidal maniacs. However if you insist then you are welcome to continue 😀

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 13 2023 14:15 utc | 270

aristodemos | Jan 12 2023 23:53 utc | 129
If I understand you correctly, removing some 2 oblasts from 404 country will clear the way to convert the rest into potentially happy citizens of RF. And the West will eventually find a new toy and forget about poking the bear.
R3DP1LL3R | Jan 12 2023 22:40 utc | 102

The entirety of Ukraine not currently under Allied control will need to be removed. Total depopulation must be the goal.
Once that is met, a very strict filtration and vetting will need to occur to allow people back in. Better to just repopulate 404 with current Russian citizens.

What happens to those people that are not allowed back in?

Posted by: grunzt | Jan 13 2023 14:18 utc | 271

That was supposed to say “cultural and superficial differences”.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 13 2023 14:19 utc | 272

CharlesLutherThanos @ 257

Nothing. Now if Russia were to actually unilaterally declare war on any other NATO country, then there might be consequences. Questions like these get asked by people with no appreciation of how the real world works. And then you get answers like the ones from LightYearsFromHome…

Whether you think Russia will declare war and actual likelihood is not what the OP asked. “Now if Russia were to actually unilaterally declare war” is what D J G @ 247 asked, you mention there would be consequences, I suggested what some would be, and they would not be good, of course the west could ignore Russia’s declaration and not escalate, it would be odd but it could, but Russia would still have opened that can of hurt.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 13 2023 14:20 utc | 273

What would happen if Russia gave NATO an ultimatum – back off or Russia declares war on all the unfriendly countries?
Posted by: D J G | Jan 13 2023 11:23 utc | 247

Well, that already kind of happened. The first warning to back off that Putin gave was at the very start of the SMO. Then he gave multiple others.
But his bluff was called.
The deviousness of the NATO strategy is that the way to break out of the mutually assured destruction impasse is to use a proxy to weaken your opponent. And if that proxy is a place that for historic and cultural reasons cannot be attacked with nuclear weapons, even better. If this had been e.g. Poland instead of Ukraine that is launching attacks deep into Russia, and Poland had not been part of NATO (or even if had been), there would most likely not be Poland now.
But Ukraine is within the cradle of Russian civilization and contains the second pair for most important Russian cities (Kiev and Odessa, after Moscow and St. Petersburg). You can’t nuke yourself.
Openly declared war means nuclear war. And for that reason it will not be declared — you just proceed with the first strike directly, there is no room for diplomatic and legalistic BS once things have gone that far.
And nuclear war is a loss for Russia, even if it is “won” (which it may well be — the safe bet is on Russian air defense doing a better job than that of the US), and regardless of whether there are lunatics in the West who are pushing for it because they think they can win one. By launching that kind of proxy war, you put Russian in a lose-lose situation — either it blows up the world (and itself in the process) or it loses a protracted conventional war.
Unless it wins the conventional war decisively.
The problem is that so far it certainly does not look like the Russians are playing the situation right. Because what we have gotten is fighting the conventional war with something very far from the seriousness the situation requires while allowing a creeping escalation by NATO, which is the last thing that should have been allowed.
All of this could have been nipped in the bud.
First, with an overwhelming-force attack from the start that secures all of Ukraine and establishes a direct border with NATO, eliminating the proxy and putting an end to the whole strategy. Which also would have saved the lives of hundreds of thousands Ukrainians and tens of thousands of Russians (so far, those numbers are only to grow). It would not have poisoned relationships between them so much, setting up yet another huge problem to deal with later on even if ultimately victorious. Early on there were a lot of Ukrainian surrenders and even brotherly hugs when that happened. A year later, after so much additional brainwashing in hyperdrive, Ukrainians are jumping off buildings when surrounded in Soledar, and we can imagine what it will be like when Kiev is contested.
And second, by not allowing NATO to do the creeping escalation. We’ve discussed this to death — shoot down AWACS planes and drones over Crimea, blow up everything along the Polish border, take out satellites, etc., lots of things could have been done that would not have crossed the threshold of open war, but would have shown a firm resolve to resist. Instead we have Russia moving planes out of Engels as a result of NATO attacks on the base, and moving from a nuclear triad to a nuclear 2.5-ad…
Now we are in real danger of subsequent provocations crossing the point of no return, which would not have been the case had this all been stopped on time.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Jan 13 2023 14:23 utc | 274

Same report, every day, for a year. The talking heads on youtube said it was too muddy, must wait for negative temperatures. I don’t know how many weeks of -15C it takes to freeze mud but there is no offensive and I doubt it’ll be. The old strategy won’t be changed. In a few months they’ll take Bakhmut and slowly reach the new regions borders next years. The rest is for nato to take, especially Odessa for a little UK base.
Posted by: rk | Jan 13 2023 10:33 utc | 242

It’s projected to be +10C again in a few days.
It’s quite clear it’s not going to really freeze this winter at all (so much for climate change being a hoax).
Which means mud season all the way to April.
By which time there will have been God knows what kind and how many additional Western weapons poured into Ukraine. Maybe not just weapons…

Posted by: shadowbanned | Jan 13 2023 14:32 utc | 275

Grunzt asked:

“What happens to those people that are not allowed back in?”

They stay as eternal refugees in nazi clownland and compete with the self-proclaimed relatives/peers of holocaust survivors for widespread affection that they’ll never get outside of the lying in-crowd.
Then when they’re ninety-something years old (few will get that far) they get dragged into court to be convicted and used as some kind of alibi and claim to righteousness by their owners. Doesn’t matter how puny and insignificant their purported role was since they were/are obviously nazis.
Just as happened these last years.
Was that what you wanted to hear?
· · ·
Would “Trollschlacht” be a valid German word? :3

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 13 2023 14:35 utc | 276

Not much of a bluff to the dead.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 13 2023 14:39 utc | 277

@Tom_Q_Collins #206:

Thanks for that. How’d you figure out that it’s operated from Kazan? IP reverse lookup? Like you, I couldn’t find anything about its ownership or finances and they don’t have an “about” page unless I missed it. And yes, the reason I had these questions is the overly cynical and pessimistic tone it takes on the SMO.

Jen is right. Biznes Online is a well-known Tatarstan news media, described as “the voice of Tatarstan elites”. Since those elites are cryptonationalist, BO is sometimes critical of the government. However, Sergey Markin’s opinion is his own, BO simply gave him the platform to speak. His opinion is pessimistic, yes, but not “fantastical”. It’s better to be pessimistic and over-prepare than to be complacent and under-prepare. “Hope for the best, prepare for the worst,” as they say. Here’s the link again with the title:
Sergey Markov: Russia has already taken several steps towards its defeat (Biznes Online, Olga Vandysheva, January 8, 2023 — in Russian)
Of course, BO chose a sensationalist title. Markin is not saying that Russia will lose. He’s warning against complacency and calls for mobilization of all resources. “Get serious,” is what he is saying.

Posted by: S | Jan 13 2023 14:54 utc | 278

shadowbanned @ 273:
Jetstream management
https://urbansoldier.weebly.com/weather-modification.html

Posted by: e | Jan 13 2023 14:58 utc | 279

shadowbanned @ 273:
Jetstream management
https://urbansoldier.weebly.com/weather-modification.html
Posted by: e | Jan 13 2023 14:58 utc | 279

Lunatic

Posted by: shadowbanned | Jan 13 2023 15:20 utc | 280

Rada removes Medvedchuk and three other MPs from office (RIA Novosti, January 13, 2023 — in Russian)

The Verkhovna Rada of the Ukraine has stripped MPs from the “Opposition Platform—For Life” Viktor Medvedchuk, Taras Kozak, Andrey Derkach and Renat Kuzmin from their mandates, Rada MP Yaroslav Zheleznyak said on Friday.
On Tuesday, Vladimir Zelenskiy announced that he approved the decision to deprive Medvedchuk, Derkach, Kozak and Kuzmin of Ukrainian citizenship.
“The Rada has removed them from office due to the loss of citizenship: Viktor Medvedchuk—320 votes in favor, Taras Kozak—317 votes in favor, Andrey Derkach—314 votes in favor, Renat Kuzmin—319 votes in favor,” he wrote in his Telegram channel.

Earlier, the head of the DPR, Denis Pushilin, said that Medvedchuk was handed over to the Russian side as a result of an exchange of prisoners with the Ukraine. In April last year, the SBU announced the detention of Medvedchuk on behalf of Zelenskiy. On October 8, 2021, Ukrainian law enforcement officers announced that they suspect Medvedchuk of treason and assistance to terrorism. Medvedchuk himself stated that he considered the criminal cases opened against him to be political persecution.
The State Bureau of Investigation of the Ukraine stated that Kuzmin was suspected of treason. The SBU suspected Derkach of working for Russian intelligence. Kozak was suspected of treason and embezzlement of national resources in the Crimea.

So Zelenskiy can strip any Ukrainian politican of Ukrainian citizenship, and that automatically results in their removal from whatever office they were holding, including a seat in the parliament. What an amazing democracy! What a stellar example of human rights and pluralism! Medvedchuk publically disagreed with Putin’s statement that Russians and Ukrainians are “one people”, he never wanted Russia and the Ukraine to be one state, all he wanted was to have normal, friendly relations with Russia, recognizing that Ukrainian and Russian histories are deeply intertwined—that’s all. For that, in modern “democratic” Ukraine, he was stripped of citizenship. Modern Ukraine is a totalitarian Russophobic state (even though majority of its citizens are Russian speakers, have relatives in Russia, worked/lived in Russia, etc.). That a totalitarian Russophobic state is needed “to protect Western democracy” tells us all we need to know about “Western democracy”.

Posted by: S | Jan 13 2023 15:27 utc | 281

Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 13 2023 14:35 utc | 276

Was that what you wanted to hear?

It doesn’t look like an answer at all. You wanna keep them in “nazi clownland” but didn’t specify this geographically. If you do, don’t make it too small – a considerable size will be needed.

Would “Trollschlacht” be a valid German word?

Sounds more like something put together by seasoned Scrabble players. “Troll” is a word I never use, and it doesn’t seem like those who use it have an idea as to what it means.

Posted by: grunzt | Jan 13 2023 15:28 utc | 282

Russia has no interest in declaring war on NATO, it is fighting it here in Ukraine, but its hands are somewhat tied, no aircraft, no long-range missiles. It is gradually reducing its stockpile of weapons and thus weakening its desire/capacity for direct combat. The nuclear weapons remain, but here too, NATO is a bit of a coward and it needs an excuse.
The fact that the Western media is turning any Russian gains or changes in command into proof of defeat is in itself in the Russians’ interest as it momentarily avoids the need for escalation to prove that they are the strongest in the playground.

Posted by: Le Catalan | Jan 13 2023 15:35 utc | 283

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 12 2023 23:43 utc | 125

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 12 2023 23:07 utc | 110
I am not of the same ethnicity as that clan, my ancestors were Church of England, living in the England/Scotland long before they arrived…

If I may quote James Bolivar DiGriz, (as he fell off London Bridge) – Merde !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Jan 13 2023 15:59 utc | 284

TASS 13 Jan, 15:52: Russian troops complete liberation of Soledar.
Wagner boss is such a naughty boy. No six months of artillery duels and no withdraw? General staff of cardboard is upset. Must suggest a ceasefire, all those nato tanks and Polish airplanes and radars from Israel should have time to arriveand the German Patriot isn’t even in Poland yet.

Posted by: rk | Jan 13 2023 16:07 utc | 285

Posted by: RealBeast | Jan 13 2023 13:49 utc | 263
“……….
And once you go alongwith vileness for some amount of time, it becomes part of you. Sage people of yesteryears always said it’s always a slippery slope. Search the word ‘kapo’ in wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapo
Well put.
I strongly recommend to all the viewing of “The Man in the Glass Booth” starring Maximilian Schell.
Huh, YouTube has it for free, and in HD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ze19SS8z6s

Posted by: Babel-17 | Jan 13 2023 16:08 utc | 286

CharlesLutherThanos at #235-
And, of course, as revealed by Merkel, Hollande and others, not denied at all by anyone in the Global West, the duplicity in getting to the Minsk accords, only as a deception to buy time to allow Ukraine to rearm, has the effect of killing diplomacy. Diplomacy was the Cuban missile crisis’s safety valve. That is now fucked up beyond repair as the West has destroyed trust. Completely. It’s going to take West actions, over a protracted period, not words, that may allow a scintilla of trust to re-emerge. But even then, why on earth would Russia or China (or indeed Venezuela, Cuba and most of Africa and Asia) trust the West?

Posted by: Vragtes | Jan 13 2023 16:28 utc | 287

#278
Oops. Markin → Markov.

Posted by: S | Jan 13 2023 16:43 utc | 288

@shadowbanned | Jan 13 2023 14:32 utc | 275

It’s quite clear it’s not going to really freeze this winter at all (so much for climate change being a hoax).

We had -20C a couple of weeks ago + lots of snow and now +5-10C and rain the last week. It is called weather. I am always reminded about that by the ideologues when I mention the cold.
I don’t think the weather matters all that much for the Russians, they have experience, it is their home.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 13 2023 16:59 utc | 289

from Stripes
Stepped-up training for Ukrainians on US weaponry to start in Germany next week
The stepped-up effort means about 500 troops will cycle monthly through the Army’s training hubs in Germany, the largest of which is in the Bavarian town of Grafenwoehr.

STUTTGART, Germany — The U.S. Army will begin training an expanded cadre of Ukrainian soldiers as early as next week at ranges in Germany, where troops will learn how to fire and maneuver with new armored fighting vehicles, military officials said this week.
The stepped-up effort means about 500 troops will cycle monthly through the Army’s training hubs in Germany, the largest of which is in the Bavarian town of Grafenwoehr.
The initial contingent of roughly 500 Ukrainian soldiers builds on other specialized training by U.S. forces since Russia’s full-scale invasion of the country in February, said Col. Martin O’Donnell, spokesman for U.S. Army Europe and Africa.
As of December, the Army in Europe had trained about 3,000 Ukrainian soldiers. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 13 2023 17:27 utc | 290

Shadowbanned @ 280
The science behind HAARP is quite available. Why did you go after the poster who brought this matter, once again after several other postings discussed this issue? Lunatic? Some of your postings seem quite reasonable. This one is a bit over the top. Perhaps you are one of many who suffer from cognitive dissonance?

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2023 17:29 utc | 291

S.@281
Seeilng as Medvedchuk was handed over to the RF authorities, we may presume that he will be high on the candidate list to become the prime minister of Ukraine once the Russian army has finished its business. It is almost ridiculous at this point in the conflict to presume that ultimately the RU forces will not feel the need to impose unconditional surrender to such internal forces which removes the current puppet regime in Kiev. Such a surrender would indicate the need for a NovoUkrania government.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2023 17:34 utc | 292

from BreakingDefense
What is a ‘main battle tank,’ and how will Ukraine use them?
European nations are poised to send Ukraine main battle tanks. But Western MBTs will require different training, tactics, and logistical support than the smaller Soviet-derived designs Ukrainian troops are used to.

WASHINGTON – The dam has broken for main battle tanks, with Poland pledging to provide Ukraine small numbers of the massive armored vehicles and more nations expected to follow. Now for the hard part: getting Ukraine enough of these heavy tanks to matter — and then teaching Ukrainians how to use them, because Western war machines are very different from the Soviet-derived designs they’ve fought with since 2014.
Poland has pledged about a dozen German-built Leopard IIs, Finland has suggested a Europe-wide effort to send Leopards, and Britain is rumored to be sending ten of its home-grown Challenger IIs, but Ukraine’s top commander, Gen. Valeriy Zaluzhny, has said he needs 300. So the numbers are too small to matter much militarily — so far. What’s more, sending many small batches of different tanks is a logistical nightmare. Ukrainian support troops already have to make heroic efforts to maintain a hodgepodge of often-incompatible equipment, from Western tech to Soviet-era holdovers to captured Russian machines, all with different requirements for training, supplies, and spare parts. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 13 2023 17:37 utc | 293

Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 13 2023 14:15 utc | 270
I dunno. That’s how I remember the story. I know nothing about weapons, maybe it was rapid fire from something of smaller caliber, or, I suppose myriad other variables could be in play.
Or maybe he made it all up 🙁

Posted by: john | Jan 13 2023 17:38 utc | 294

Posted by: Passerby | Jan 12 2023 22:19 utc | 94
That Russia is pushing North America and Europe in recession is incredible.
They do nothing of the sort.This is the west own predictive programming. What they don’t understand is that they have forced Russia to discover the difference between finance and real-economy. Michael Hudson is my recommended source of enlightenment.
https://michael-hudson.com/

Posted by: Anne B | Jan 13 2023 19:38 utc | 295

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 13 2023 10:26 utc | 241
I do not understand why he does not also include finished goods and/or human labor in the mix.
In the world of finance – those are externalities, I’ve come to learn.

Posted by: Anne B | Jan 14 2023 9:40 utc | 296

Interesting times.
A few ghouls, odds & sods off-topic dispersed like fly-blown red herrings. The sellers of doubt appear to be in full retreat!
War is hell General William T Sherman.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jan 14 2023 13:51 utc | 297