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January 12, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-11
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Its some cold – Can you make me a cup of Tea? Posted by: spare_truth | Jan 13 2023 4:44 utc | 201
Posted by: Down South | Jan 13 2023 4:45 utc | 202 Posted by: Down South | Jan 13 2023 4:45 utc | 201
This “.. Have again shelled populated areas ..” should be no longer tolerated. Posted by: spare-truth | Jan 13 2023 5:04 utc | 203
In 1975??? Done legitimately to resolve a legislative impasse and force an election. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 13 2023 5:06 utc | 204 Consider that NATO wouldn’t have a clue about what to do with Russia if it captured it. That’d be a plot for a farcical comedy movie. It could be made like a Three Stooges one. Posted by: barstool | Jan 13 2023 5:10 utc | 205 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2023 3:49 utc | 188 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 13 2023 5:11 utc | 206 Posted by: Jen | Jan 13 2023 4:37 utc | 196 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 13 2023 5:13 utc | 207 Just the piano player here but Reuters has a current posting up with the title Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 13 2023 5:13 utc | 208 I’m new here and too be honest…bad with technology…so haven’t figured out how to reply to specific posts. I’m responding to the post about about the United States trying to tie up lands in northern territory…. Darwin harbor and then shifting to W.A. …..what is specifically going on in western Australia? You do know of the coup against Gough Whitlam? Posted by: Joe | Jan 13 2023 5:14 utc | 209 Posted by: barstool | Jan 13 2023 5:10 utc | 204 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 13 2023 5:17 utc | 210 @79 Posted by: DALE FERGUSON | Jan 13 2023 5:19 utc | 211 If not being able to destroy the HIMARS start launch locations, Posted by: spare-truth | Jan 13 2023 5:22 utc | 212 If it is nowadays (Fr. 13-JAN-2023) has starting a “real war” between US_NATO and RU-Federation, I just wonder, why RU is still so relatively “calm” of that .. Posted by: spare-truth | Jan 13 2023 5:41 utc | 213 “This blog is a magnet for the single largest collection of paranoid, psychotic, homicidal maniacs ever known to mankind.” Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 13 2023 4:44 utc | 199 Posted by: Laurence | Jan 13 2023 5:42 utc | 215 Port Arthur Tasmania was 10,000% fake. They were lucky the internet didn’t really exist as we know it now, and social media woulda destroyed the narrative instantly.. but. Posted by: bullocky | Jan 13 2023 5:49 utc | 216 @all Posted by: spare-truth | Jan 13 2023 5:58 utc | 217
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/28663 Posted by: Down South | Jan 13 2023 6:15 utc | 218 FieryButMostPeaceful | Jan 12 2023 15:46 utc | 2 Posted by: Ike | Jan 13 2023 6:22 utc | 219 I also saw the Christchurch massacre video and I saw no blood anywhere either. Unless we are willing to accept that that was a fake as well , I think it was real. Posted by: bullocky | Jan 13 2023 6:26 utc | 220 Posted by: Jen | Jan 12 2023 22:38 utc | 101 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 13 2023 6:27 utc | 221 @217 ref. Slavyangrad , US-NSC John Kirby
May be, but “we” have to wait for the next real-going ahead towards western areas .. Posted by: spare-truth | Jan 13 2023 6:29 utc | 222 Some posters here occasionally refer to the Khazars. I became curious. If you are curious – find a map of Khazaria and overlay it onto the battle ground in Ukraine. Then read some history about this wealthy kingdom… Posted by: MG | Jan 13 2023 6:32 utc | 223 re Down South | Jan 13 2023 6:15 utc | 217 Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 13 2023 6:40 utc | 224 .. going ahead towards western areas .. (be lucky Biden-Hunter, H.Clinton, Pentagon, CIA) Posted by: spare-truth | Jan 13 2023 6:42 utc | 225 Melaleuca #172 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 13 2023 6:43 utc | 226 barstool #204
NATO did capture it in the early 90’s. They listened to the advice of stupid piss head President and agreed that a black belt Ju Jitsu strongman be appointed prime Minister and then get him elected President after the con man piss head ‘President’ stood down. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 13 2023 7:08 utc | 227 Wagner blues, those goddam Wagner blues runnin round my brain.
Methinks the UKUSA should fear them with mighty fear. They are almost as good as the Russian Army so I guess that’s something the UKUSA clown cart could be thankful for. Here at Slavyangrad Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 13 2023 7:38 utc | 228 DALE FERGUSON | Jan 13 2023 5:19 utc | 210 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jan 13 2023 7:40 utc | 229 Oldhippie a couple of threads back posted a video of a Russian soldier storming a UAF foxhole. Further info on one of those killed
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/28686 Posted by: Down South | Jan 13 2023 7:46 utc | 230 So here is Russia’s gold Bradley challenge at https://t.me/Slavyangrad/28650
I immediately thought of County Joe – be the first comrade on the block to send a Bradley home in a box. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 13 2023 8:05 utc | 231 re Down South | Jan 13 2023 6:15 utc | 217 Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 13 2023 8:12 utc | 232 The latest Brian Berletic…debunking the notion of western tanks being of any real significance in Ukraine…
– RSH Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Jan 13 2023 8:19 utc | 233 Posted by: Activist Potato | Jan 13 2023 2:20 utc | 167 Posted by: unimperator | Jan 13 2023 8:19 utc | 234 Listening to the Scott Ritter interview referenced in this thread… The link again:
– RSH Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Jan 13 2023 8:25 utc | 235 NemesisCalling writes: Posted by: line islands | Jan 13 2023 8:26 utc | 236 Posted by: htyul | Jan 13 2023 2:54 utc | 173 Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 13 2023 8:46 utc | 237 a thing i read often here in the comments are that stopping the war means the abandon of dollar as a reserve currency. then what should be the new reserve currency? the yuan don’t fit and chinese don’t want to change theri economy in a financial services provider (being the world factory is better). other countries with reserve currency doesn’t exist. there’s neither a basket of reserve currencies that would replace the dollar. it have no sense. maybe if the usa navy would be wiped out by china the situation would be different. and supporting ukraine instead asia countries and usa navy is the fastest way to lose with china. the usa people shouldn’t be worried for that war, but for next one. “funny” that these usa people talks about nuking Europe to make people migrate to the us. wow. and then who’ll buy usa stuff? the chinese people? or the afrikans?. there are less desperate means to boost usa producivity? Posted by: giandavide | Jan 13 2023 9:33 utc | 238 giandavide | Jan 13 2023 9:33 utc | 236 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jan 13 2023 9:51 utc | 239 Just a coupla things, the first many may disagree with which concerns the vid posted about 24 hrs ago which shows the morally ambivalent results of humans trying to kill each other. Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 13 2023 10:06 utc | 240
There are technically 8 world reserve currencies now, with the US Dollar at just under 60% and on a downtrend. There has to be an account surplus currency tabulated somewhere and of some form or other for any country that runs a trade surplus. That is all a bank deposit is, a placeholder for as yet undetermined goods/services to be carried out in the future. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 13 2023 10:26 utc | 241 Posted by: giandavide | Jan 13 2023 9:33 utc | 236 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 13 2023 10:32 utc | 243 There are no significant changes on the front line in this area. Positional fighting continues… Along the line of contact, the sides are engaged in artillery duels… Wagner PMC fighters continue with mopping … Ukrainian terrorist forces have again shelled populated areas of… Posted by: rk | Jan 13 2023 10:33 utc | 244 The rest is for nato to take, especially Odessa for a little UK base. Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jan 13 2023 10:42 utc | 245 John Kirby explaining “strategic unimportance” of Soledar. The guys body language seems pretty shaky and nervous. Of course the propaganda machine is propagating the same story everywhere, which probably means it actually was strategically important. Posted by: unimperator | Jan 13 2023 10:50 utc | 246 Tom_Q_Collins @ 206: Posted by: Jen | Jan 13 2023 10:59 utc | 247 For those who are interested in military innovation: https://www.kp.ru/daily/27451/4705427/ Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Jan 13 2023 11:16 utc | 248 What would happen if Russia gave NATO an ultimatum – back off or Russia declares war on all the unfriendly countries? Posted by: D J G | Jan 13 2023 11:23 utc | 249 Les USA viennent de fournir des M108/109 aux Ukrainiens or c’est vraiment une vacherie contre les Ukrainiens car cet engin est sous-motorisé avec un blindage en aluminium, une conception ancienne très mauvaise. On sait désormais que l’aluminium est impliqué dans les explosions thermobariques en dissociant l’eau produite par les explosifs azotés, l’hydrogène qui en résulte a la particularité d’être très véloce et de s’infiltrer partout puis de dégager beaucoup d’énergie en se recombinant avec l’oxygène de l’air. Voici quelques exemples récents des effets de l’hydrogène : Posted by: Christophe Nicolas | Jan 13 2023 11:46 utc | 250 Est-ce que quelqu’un peut expliquer au pro-Ukrainiens à quel point les chefs USA n’en ont rien à fiche d’eux et savent bien qu’ils sacrifient l’Ukraine sans espoir qu’ils l’emportent. Posted by: Christophe Nicolas | Jan 13 2023 11:55 utc | 251 “Ces chefs n’agissent que dans le but de nuire à la Russie.” Posted by: Christophe Nicolas | Jan 13 2023 11:56 utc | 252 “These leaders act only in order to harm Russia.” Posted by: Christophe Nicolas | Jan 13 2023 11:59 utc | 253
It opens up a big can of hurt for Russia, one example, the unfriendly countries USA/NATO and about 50 others now legally at war can blockade ports and stop ships of the RF and friendly countries, it can even sink those ships if it determines or simply invents that they carrying weapons to Russia. Hence the SMO. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 13 2023 12:11 utc | 254 Oh, and forgot, they unfriendly countries are now free if not obligated to sink RF navy ships and subs, supply ships, merchant marine etc. anywhere in any ocean. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 13 2023 12:18 utc | 255 Debsisdead | Jan 13 2023 10:06 utc | 238 Posted by: john | Jan 13 2023 12:27 utc | 256 Posted by: bullocky | Jan 13 2023 6:26 utc | 219 Posted by: Peter Williams | Jan 13 2023 12:35 utc | 257
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/28702 Posted by: Down South | Jan 13 2023 12:37 utc | 258 Posted by: D J G | Jan 13 2023 11:23 utc | 247 Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Jan 13 2023 12:42 utc | 259 The responses to this tweet from ‘The Economist’ show that Brits are under no illusions as to how the situation in the ukraine is developing. Posted by: Gt Stroller | Jan 13 2023 13:10 utc | 260 I have come to the conclusion that Zelensky is a complete and utter animal. I feel for Zaluzhny as he is advising Zelensky to withdraw the troops in Bakhmut to safety and has also provided other sound military advice on the situation in other areas However, Zelensky is totally ignoring Zaluzhny’s requests and advice. I have often wondered why a President of a country would wantonly and knowingly send young men, middle aged men and older men into a veritable meat grinder to certain death. Especially when those men have had little or no training as conscripts. Ze is now looking to conscript 16yrs-18yr olds. Posted by: Jo Dominich | Jan 13 2023 13:12 utc | 261 Posted by: Jo Dominich | Jan 13 2023 13:12 utc | 259 Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Jan 13 2023 13:41 utc | 262 Posted by: Jo Dominich | Jan 13 2023 13:12 utc | 259 Posted by: RealBeast | Jan 13 2023 13:49 utc | 263 Russia should find a way to buy black market US arms in Ukr and ship them to US enemies in Syria. Posted by: RealBeast | Jan 13 2023 13:51 utc | 264
Zelensky is an animal, we can agree on that. But why the excuses for Zaluzhny? Posted by: shadowbanned | Jan 13 2023 13:53 utc | 265 @246 Posted by: Paul Cockshott | Jan 13 2023 13:59 utc | 266 Yeah, curiously, it’s the geezers who never saw the real horror show who seem eager to experience it second, or third hand. Posted by: waynorinorway | Jan 13 2023 14:00 utc | 267 Posted by: shadowbanned | Jan 13 2023 13:53 utc | 263 Posted by: Moses | Jan 13 2023 14:10 utc | 268 LightYearsFromHome | Jan 13 2023 12:11 utc | 252 Posted by: D J G | Jan 13 2023 14:14 utc | 269 John: Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 13 2023 14:15 utc | 270 aristodemos | Jan 12 2023 23:53 utc | 129
What happens to those people that are not allowed back in? Posted by: grunzt | Jan 13 2023 14:18 utc | 271 That was supposed to say “cultural and superficial differences”. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 13 2023 14:19 utc | 272 CharlesLutherThanos @ 257
Whether you think Russia will declare war and actual likelihood is not what the OP asked. “Now if Russia were to actually unilaterally declare war” is what D J G @ 247 asked, you mention there would be consequences, I suggested what some would be, and they would not be good, of course the west could ignore Russia’s declaration and not escalate, it would be odd but it could, but Russia would still have opened that can of hurt. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 13 2023 14:20 utc | 273
Well, that already kind of happened. The first warning to back off that Putin gave was at the very start of the SMO. Then he gave multiple others. Posted by: shadowbanned | Jan 13 2023 14:23 utc | 274
It’s projected to be +10C again in a few days. Posted by: shadowbanned | Jan 13 2023 14:32 utc | 275 Grunzt asked:
They stay as eternal refugees in nazi clownland and compete with the self-proclaimed relatives/peers of holocaust survivors for widespread affection that they’ll never get outside of the lying in-crowd. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 13 2023 14:35 utc | 276 @Tom_Q_Collins #206:
Jen is right. Biznes Online is a well-known Tatarstan news media, described as “the voice of Tatarstan elites”. Since those elites are cryptonationalist, BO is sometimes critical of the government. However, Sergey Markin’s opinion is his own, BO simply gave him the platform to speak. His opinion is pessimistic, yes, but not “fantastical”. It’s better to be pessimistic and over-prepare than to be complacent and under-prepare. “Hope for the best, prepare for the worst,” as they say. Here’s the link again with the title: Posted by: S | Jan 13 2023 14:54 utc | 278 shadowbanned @ 273: Posted by: e | Jan 13 2023 14:58 utc | 279
Lunatic Posted by: shadowbanned | Jan 13 2023 15:20 utc | 280 Rada removes Medvedchuk and three other MPs from office (RIA Novosti, January 13, 2023 — in Russian)
So Zelenskiy can strip any Ukrainian politican of Ukrainian citizenship, and that automatically results in their removal from whatever office they were holding, including a seat in the parliament. What an amazing democracy! What a stellar example of human rights and pluralism! Medvedchuk publically disagreed with Putin’s statement that Russians and Ukrainians are “one people”, he never wanted Russia and the Ukraine to be one state, all he wanted was to have normal, friendly relations with Russia, recognizing that Ukrainian and Russian histories are deeply intertwined—that’s all. For that, in modern “democratic” Ukraine, he was stripped of citizenship. Modern Ukraine is a totalitarian Russophobic state (even though majority of its citizens are Russian speakers, have relatives in Russia, worked/lived in Russia, etc.). That a totalitarian Russophobic state is needed “to protect Western democracy” tells us all we need to know about “Western democracy”. Posted by: S | Jan 13 2023 15:27 utc | 281 Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 13 2023 14:35 utc | 276
It doesn’t look like an answer at all. You wanna keep them in “nazi clownland” but didn’t specify this geographically. If you do, don’t make it too small – a considerable size will be needed.
Sounds more like something put together by seasoned Scrabble players. “Troll” is a word I never use, and it doesn’t seem like those who use it have an idea as to what it means. Posted by: grunzt | Jan 13 2023 15:28 utc | 282 Russia has no interest in declaring war on NATO, it is fighting it here in Ukraine, but its hands are somewhat tied, no aircraft, no long-range missiles. It is gradually reducing its stockpile of weapons and thus weakening its desire/capacity for direct combat. The nuclear weapons remain, but here too, NATO is a bit of a coward and it needs an excuse. Posted by: Le Catalan | Jan 13 2023 15:35 utc | 283 Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 12 2023 23:43 utc | 125
If I may quote James Bolivar DiGriz, (as he fell off London Bridge) – Merde !> Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Jan 13 2023 15:59 utc | 284 TASS 13 Jan, 15:52: Russian troops complete liberation of Soledar. Posted by: rk | Jan 13 2023 16:07 utc | 285 Posted by: RealBeast | Jan 13 2023 13:49 utc | 263 Posted by: Babel-17 | Jan 13 2023 16:08 utc | 286 CharlesLutherThanos at #235- Posted by: Vragtes | Jan 13 2023 16:28 utc | 287 @shadowbanned | Jan 13 2023 14:32 utc | 275
We had -20C a couple of weeks ago + lots of snow and now +5-10C and rain the last week. It is called weather. I am always reminded about that by the ideologues when I mention the cold. Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 13 2023 16:59 utc | 289 from Stripes
Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 13 2023 17:27 utc | 290 Shadowbanned @ 280 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2023 17:29 utc | 291 S.@281 Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2023 17:34 utc | 292 from BreakingDefense
Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 13 2023 17:37 utc | 293 Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 13 2023 14:15 utc | 270 Posted by: john | Jan 13 2023 17:38 utc | 294 Posted by: Passerby | Jan 12 2023 22:19 utc | 94 Posted by: Anne B | Jan 13 2023 19:38 utc | 295 Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 13 2023 10:26 utc | 241 Posted by: Anne B | Jan 14 2023 9:40 utc | 296 Interesting times. Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jan 14 2023 13:51 utc | 297 |
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