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January 12, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-11

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.

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Patroklos | Jan 12 2023 22:18 utc | 93
From what I make of it, battle of Kursk was the bog one. If Germany had one that the could have again gone on the offensive but after losing it, they where always on the defensiveness. The Soviet Storm documentary on Kursk is good. That decision to destroy from defensive positions rather than going on the offensive… Germany had superior tanks, Soviet Union had superior strategy.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 12 2023 22:37 utc | 101

Milites @ 38:
The Battle of Stalingrad (now renamed Volgograd) from August 1942 to February 1943 represents the moment when the tide of war turned against Nazi Germany and its European allies. The war was fought over five months and cost the lives of nearly 2 million soldiers in total. If you read various books and articles about how the Germans and Soviets fought, you will find the battle was intense and ground up huge numbers of soldiers on both sides.
A lot of stereotypes about how Soviet (later Russian) armies fight wars – supposedly flinging huge numbers of soldiers into a meat grinder, relying on so-called General Winter – probably come from the ways in which this battle was fought. It is very possible that the Russians themselves are aware of these stereotypes and assumptions we in the West make about them and their fighting abilities and strategies, and so their current strategies might include ways of encouraging us to continue believing in these stereotypes while at the same time the Russians themselves confound our beliefs by doing what we least expect.

Posted by: Jen | Jan 12 2023 22:38 utc | 102

Still – I can’t think of a better recipe, either, and have never heard anybody come up with one.
Posted by: grunzt | Jan 12 2023 22:12 utc | 91

The entirety of Ukraine not currently under Allied control will need to be removed. Total depopulation must be the goal. Once that is met, a very strict filtration and vetting will need to occur to allow people back in. Better to just repopulate 404 with current Russian citizens. Let the west deal with the problems they caused.
To any who might start feeling a twinge of sympathy for the ukes killed in the video (verified as real btw by the ukes), please remember the old saying – If a nazi joins your dinner party of 10, then there are now 11 nazies. No mercy, no sympathy, no relaxing.

Posted by: R3DP1LL3R | Jan 12 2023 22:40 utc | 103

Opport Knocks | Jan 12 2023 20:59 utc | 70
Foxhole vid is real.
Here’s one of the guys who died:
(on telegram. Can’t locate ATM. will post if I find it again)

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 12 2023 22:44 utc | 104

Ghost Ship | Jan 12 2023 20:38 utc | 63
Autumn 2022: … Russian Army is more capable than the Ukrainian Army.
And that’s even with USUKNATO 24/7 surveilling the entire battle space and beyond from Arkhangelsk to Sochi.
watcher | Jan 12 2023 21:00 utc | 71
Gerasimov. The @bar has previously schooled me that a Gerasimov was indeed killed. But he was not *that* Gerasimov.
Western media saw a disinfo opportunity and took it.
All the conjecture about Gerasimov and if this is a snub to Surovikin is western bullshit. The Ukie NATO forces lost thousands in the last month and western disinfo has the discussion focused on whether Surovikin’s fe-fes are hurt.
The Russians are preparing for the next stage and “General Armageddon” is right where he is needed.
safe | Jan 12 2023 21:03 utc | 72
>…”people could be allowed to just talk it out first we may have no had so many tragic wars.”
The Russians tried with presenting security guarantees in Dec2021.
They’ve had at least 3 serious (to them) attempts since then at negotiating a peace.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 12 2023 22:45 utc | 105

Posted by: comrade simba | Jan 12 2023 22:26 utc | 96
You may try this
https://www.thepostil.com/conflict-in-ukraine-genesis/

Posted by: Antonio Ferrao | Jan 12 2023 22:46 utc | 106

Interesting that posters mentioned Stalingrad and Kursk, because the loss of so many infantry in the former, doomed the later operation; just as using BTG’s doomed the Russian advance in the North when their coup-de main failed. Artillery is king, but infantry hold ground, which is why my analysis, for what it’s worth, is that the delay in any offensive is because the Russians are resurrecting their traditional divisional and regimental structures, before any move. These structures reverse the ratio’s in a BTG, which after all was a stop-gap formalisation of an ad-hoc formation that spearheaded a tank regiment.
I think historians will look at the the rapid Russian advance to Kherson, in the opening days, as a crucial factor in dislocating the NATO defensive strategy. With the failure of their main force, the economic sanctions, they never recovered and so resorted to the soft strategies successfully deployed against their own citizens and penny-packeting aid, a poor substitute against a nation who wrote the book on the operational art and it’s role in supporting and advancing state strategy..

Posted by: Milites | Jan 12 2023 22:50 utc | 107

lahire | Jan 12 2023 22:29 utc | 97
At some point, the Ukrainians will change their government. Until that time comes, they remain cannon fodder. Russia has no interest in regime change. They could have wiped out the Ukraine government at any point. It is up to the Ukrainians to change their government and that will come, but untill then, Russia will kill any who take up weapons against Russia. Georgia learnt its lesson short and sharp. Ukrainians appear a bit dumber.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 12 2023 22:59 utc | 108

Interesting times.
The sellers of doubt continue to fail miserably. As is expected!
The dead and gone Brit empire, continues to sell the myth of that all serving Brit military in country 404 are unarmed non combattant humanitarian aid workers! Not that anyone believes that tired well-used poopaganda.
As for the WW2 myth makers. These unfortunates continue to ignore reality. for example by May 1945. The Soviets combined military service had approximately 22 million men and women under arms. The enemy troop formation on the Eastern front was less than 8 million strong. Enough said!
The fall of salt mine city is a key that opens all roads to Lvov and the western border. The only options Kiev has left are women and children as cannon fodder. Sadly, Kiev’s spare war toy cupboard was looted in the mass corruption era of the 1990s.
On the Belorus front. The simple transfer of One mobile army from the Western Military District. Strictly for joint winter training exercises. Will prompt the combined military services of the troublesome Baltic upstarts. To do a complete 180 policy change overnight. Both literally and figuratively.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motoes On | Jan 12 2023 23:03 utc | 109

Peter AU1 | Jan 12 2023 22:59 utc | 107
>…Georgians learnt their lesson.
Yep. And this week, when Ukraine/ U$ came a knockin, wanting that Buk system… Georgia told them to go fuck themselves.
They “remind” Ukraine they paid full price for the system in 2007, under a secret deal { which set them up for 2008 }.
Some Georgians must be looking at Ukraine 2022-23 and realising how very much worse it could have been for them.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 12 2023 23:06 utc | 110

Opportknocks@58
Seems you are a bit “mainstream” on this issue. Perhaps you dare not name the crime clan, which owns BoE, BoA, BoC, BoNZ, the FRB, the IMF, World Bank and Bank of Intl. Settlements. Oh, their ownership is not total of course. There are other “players” most of them connected by marriage to this entity.
City of London, as you should damned well know, is a sovereign entity, where even King Chuck must inform the Lord Mayor in advance should he choose to enter the “sanctuary” and even appear in special regalia for the occasion. As for ownership of the Crown, as in Crown lands, you would be obliged to provide some buttresses for your claim of public ownership.
BTW: Do you happen to share some ethnic identity with those intermarried Bank$ters, or are you merely intending to remain “on message” in regards to this matter of some concern?

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 12 2023 23:07 utc | 111

IMHO the meme that UKR will run out of troops misses the point – since Kharkov counteroffensive, NATO troops or “mercenaries” have been increasingly added to the mix, and the ratio will increase as actual Ukrainian troops become scarcer and less well trained.
This coincides with the UKR adoption of a NATO organization – if the “UKR” troops are actually NATO, why complicate their use by following the older Soviet style UKR order of battle?
The increasing indications of Ukies with Polish armbands, the radio chatter in Polish, Romanian etc which seems to be increasing since Kharkov, and the likelyhood that M777 and HIMARS and other fresh assets are operated by NATO “mercenaries” shows that UKR still have troops to throw in the fray. I think this will become increasingly clear in the next phases of the war.

Posted by: Simplicius | Jan 12 2023 23:11 utc | 112

Comrade Simba @ 96:
Depending on how far your wife wants to go back – the roots of the current conflict go back as far as 1945, when the CIA and MI6 started recruiting Ukrainian ultranationalists like Stepan Bandera! – and how deep she wants to go, for a start she could try watching this video of a presentation Scott Ritter gave at the Community Church of Boston on the Ukrainian conflict and Russia-US relations.

Posted by: Jen | Jan 12 2023 23:12 utc | 113

comrade simba @96–
Back in March of last year I wrote this article, “Why “True Aryans” Hate Donbass Residents: Proof of the Attempted Genocide” based around an article provided by MoA commentator S: this article by RIA Novosti, “Why ‘True Aryans’ Hate Donbass Residents”, which is in Russian of course. I provided the full translation in my article; but for your purposes, you’ll want to take the article’s URL and paste it into the Lefthand box at Yandex Translation, then click the translate button in the righthand box and await the translation, which can then be copy/pasted into a word processing document of your choice.
If for some reason that article doesn’t fit your needs, there are many more available through English language Russian media I can direct you to or you can search for. Unfortunately, the sad reality is there are very few credible articles by English language media on the start of the current Ukraine situation. Perhaps the most damning is the series that Cynthia Chung wrote about how the Outlaw US Empire preserved and nurtured Nazism in Ukraine and Europe after WW2 ended. This link is to the second of her three part series on the subject that provides the US government sourced investigations and publications based on them–facts few Americans or anyone else know about. And as I said, there are many more, none of them pretty from the West’s standpoint since they expose its crimes, cynicism and hypocrisy.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 12 2023 23:14 utc | 114

Posted by: comrade simba | Jan 12 2023 22:26 utc | 96
In addition to the excellent source provided by Antonio at #105, I recommend Consortium News’ coverage of the situation dating back to before the Maidan coup which culminated in 2014.
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/12/29/evidence-of-us-backed-coup-in-kiev/
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/02/28/robert-parry-playing-chicken-with-nuclear-war-over-ukraine/
https://consortiumnews.com/2019/11/14/ray-mcgovern-ukraine-for-dummies/
There are many more. All the more important is the fact that the US security state and its Silicon Valley partners have openly attacked Consortium News both financially and through censorship and misrepresentation. That’s the biggest stamp of approval you could get from me on the veracity of their reporting.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 12 2023 23:15 utc | 115

Vitaly Milevsky or the guy on the left with blood pouring out of his right ear was a rabid Ukrainian nationalist who wore a UPA red and black flag on his body armour. He and his two compatriots where killed by a Siberian of the O group in the Svatovo area… Milevsky belonged to the 518th battalion of the First Seperate Special Forces Brigade. Everyone was stunned and probably deaf from the frag grenade and yes it was very real….those 5.45 calibre rounds are ice picks…they would have entered the skull through the face or temple area of the Ukrainian in black vest on right and penetrated the kevlar helmet with no deformation… lodging into the wall of the dugout. A bullet put into the head like this bleeds very little.. especially entry wound. At that range there would even be powder burns. This is not Hollywood. With the deployment of the Black Sea fleet and reorg of the General staff I suspect the Tank Armies in the Russian lines will pour through the last defensive line in Kramatorsk soon…I think the Russian battlegroups in Belarus are there to dissuade the Polish and to divert resources to the defence of Kiev….but the thrust will be through Kramatorsk

Posted by: Joe | Jan 12 2023 23:16 utc | 116

Milos@62
I’ve viewed photos of someone passing as the “Big Guy” which indicate that there is an actor who can mimic the voice quite well, while a certain cleavage running in a semicircle behind his indicates that slip-on masks have become allllmost foolproof. That said, the never genuinely elected specimen of near total dementia has expired his best-by date and is veering into the realm of near total liability for those who control the image…and the decision making power.
Problem number next is what to do with Kamala’s Foote, who launched her political campaign as a personal and well-accomplished lap-dancer for Willie Brown, then Mayor of San Francisco and a major player in Californicated politrix.
Her reputation proceeds here and recently I read a commentary here or elsewhere as to whether more men have had a ride in a ’67 Mustang or with our beloved by nearly 10% of the U$$A population precedent for vice.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 12 2023 23:16 utc | 117

Oops, again@116
should be: “semicircle behind his neck”. Need to switch on the lamp here as dusk is upon this location and another booboo was entered.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 12 2023 23:18 utc | 118

Re: Orwell’s “Homage to Catalonia”. It is about the Spanish Civil War, the curtain-raiser to WWII. I read it more than 50 years ago. Of course, brilliantly written, but it is politically one-sided, favoring certain of the factions arrayed against Franco, and highly anti-communist. Because of the complicated politics, alliances and divisions among the democratic forces fighting fascist Franco, I recommend you read a more comprehensive and analytical political history along with or in addition to Orwell’s literary personal history. I don’t have a specific recommendation but there are many good histories that are not as anti-communist and anti-Soviet as Orwell’s account. Draw your own conclusions. Most of the thousands of US volunteers in the Lincoln Brigade fought alongside the Spanish communist forces, regardless of their individual politics.

Posted by: mjh | Jan 12 2023 23:22 utc | 119

The Wehrmacht didnt lose the Kursk battle in a sense that it lost the ability as a coherent fighting force. The battle for Kursk was simply abandoned. The Southern pincer was actually quite successful, especially the 2nd Waffen SS Panzerkorps, breaking through two defense lines early on and forcing the Read Army to commit its reserves. On the third defensive line, the famous tank battle commenced. The Northern pincer was bogged down early on and could not reach the set out goals.
Then the Red Army launched Operation Kutusov to cut off the Northern pincer breaking through the guarding flank. This forced GFM von Kluge to fall back. The Red Army was able to reach Oriyol with Operation Kutusov. When the Northern pincer fell back, the Southern pincer abandoned the operation as well. In conclusion, while the Wehrmacht failed to reach the objctives, it wasnt rendered ineffective. The Wehrmacht was still able to conduct defensive operations up until Operation Bagration. The destruction of the Heeresgruppe Mitte was the end of the Wehrmacht’s ability to put up organized defensive lines in the East.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Jan 12 2023 23:26 utc | 120

@5
This, unfortunately, is how I see it. There is no peaceful way out.

Posted by: Inki | Jan 12 2023 23:28 utc | 121

I try to follow what the MSM is saying because it has a propaganda impact on Americans if it is repeated loudly and long enough. The US is worried about Wagner PMC and is doing what it can to “neutralize” its activities. The State Department is obviously worried about the fact that Wagner PMC has shown to be very successful in Soledar and Bakmut, but what the State Department SAYS is that they are worried 1) because of Wagner actions in Libya and Central African Republic 2) human rights concerns 3) contains a large contingent of convicts.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/us-envoy-russian-wagner-groups-activities-intolerable-96400183

Posted by: Belle | Jan 12 2023 23:36 utc | 122

Ewiak@79
Perhaps your evangelizing enthusiasm would be more properly employed at the Other than Ukraine site. It does happen to be a bit off message to many of the bar-crowd as most interests here are not of a theological persuasion.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 12 2023 23:40 utc | 123

Belle – the US doesn’t want a piece of Wagner and they know it

Posted by: me | Jan 12 2023 23:41 utc | 124

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsWQYBIoSWU
I think I’ll drop this link here, too, Ritter on the present situation.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 12 2023 23:42 utc | 125

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 12 2023 23:07 utc | 110
I am not of the same ethnicity as that clan, my ancestors were Church of England, living in the England/Scotland long before they arrived.
They own none of the CBs that you listed, and I doubt they have much, if any, influence on policy. Though they will pay close attention to it. Neither they, nor their family corporations, own a significant block of shares in any US bank that is one of the 1000s of shareholders in the US Federal Reserve. Nor are they on the Boards of the dominant US Banks. So there is no possibility of exercising voting control.
With a handful of exceptions who still run the family banking house, the majority of Roths are passive trust fund babies. Still rich, but without significant influence.
There was a poster here a few days back who linked to research into the 1800+ interlinked global corporations that effectively run the world. I suggest you pay attention to them instead of the billionaires of the last century. Though I respectfully suggest the current generation would much rather you focus on the past.
I won’t dignify your faulty interpretation of “The Crown” with a lengthy response, except to say that Crown Land here in Canada, means government land. I suppose it imbues more gravitas to use the former, ditto for legal proceedings, Crown Attorneys, etc.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 12 2023 23:43 utc | 126

aleph__null @84
George Washington was not a nice man. In essence, he was a most successful land-speculator. In addition to his destroying cornfields, the Lenape people (known latterly as the Delawares) he was known as the “destroyer of villages”. Seems he and some of his crony speculators coveted those beautiful lands surrounding the Delaware River. Thus he sent the troops in to burn em out and take it over for him and his gang of pirates.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 12 2023 23:46 utc | 127

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 12 2023 22:23 utc | 95
I don’t think Russia is interested in controlling regions and cities where it may only have sixty percent support so for that reason I don’t think they will try and take other regions militarily.
True indeed , and I agree maybe those people in those regions should risk life and limb to get their freedom as have those people in the Donbas. I believe Putin even alluded to that in a speech many months ago , during the referenda.
However, that leaves much of the Motherland out of Russia’s borders. Can Russia leave Odessa and Kiev out of Russia , when they are or were quintessentially Russian? This must be considered ,because Reconquistas need to be paid for in blood . Spain would not be Spain now , if the Spanish Monarchs from El Cid to Isabella or Spain etc allowed Referenda results to be the guiding principle , as the lands retaken were under the Muslims for over five hundred years and thus they would have had Significant “No” counts. To contrast, In my opinion, Tito was too nice and humanist. He should have thrown both demonstrated Croat and Muslim Nazi collaborators out, as did many other European nations. His Humanitarianism allowed the Yanks to coop Croat and Muslims and thus we had Bosnia and Kosovo.
Russia must not find itself in a similar position. It must control thise parts via direct or indirect means and all ukronazis killed and /or deported with their families to Poland or Germany. Let those virtue-signalling satraps deal with the demographic and associated societal problems.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Jan 12 2023 23:47 utc | 128

>>>>: Ahole | Jan 12 2023 16:48 utc | 13

As soon as it went sideways

What went sideways? If you listened to so-called western military experts, you’d think that Russia intended to capture Kiev in three days and the whole of Ukraine in seven days but that was never Russia’s intention. Those were objectives assigned to the Russian Army by western military experts who don’t have a clue, but not objectives of the Russian Army itself, which means that the failure to achieve them is not a loss as claimed by those dumb western military experts..

Russia was always clear about its objectives for this SMO, liberate Donbas and de-Nazify and de-militarise Ukraine all of which are still achievable. Along the way Russia added restoring the water supply to Crimea (which it has achieved) probably because the initial phase across southern Ukraine went far better than the Russian planners thought possible.
Since then, the Russian Army has been working to achieve its objectives and is still doing so and the successful withdrawals from Kherson and Kharkov were necessary blips to beef up the defences in Zaporozhe and north-western Lugansk to avoid far more serious problems.
At the moment Russia is in a very good position. The west mostly believes that Ukraine is winning and is still unwilling to intervene directly with air power, the only thing that might stop Russia from winning. And many in the west believe the Russian Army is incapable of defeating Ukraine and NATO, when it is capable of doing so.

BTW, reading Operation Barbarossa and Germany’s defeat in the East by David Stahel suggests that the critical battle that ended almost all chance of Germany winning against Russia occurred during Operation Barbarossa in late July/early August with the destruction by the Russian Army of two Panzer Battle group is Army Group Centre

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Jan 12 2023 23:51 utc | 129

grunzt@91
Most likely the Stavka as well as Russia’s civil administration has already considered your concerns and caveats relating to the Banderite/Uniate deracinated Eastern Slavs in Galicia and Volhynia. As the RF is most likely to create a NovoUkrania as a returned element within the Federation, they will make certain that the NU republic or oblast or whatever will create a public divorce with those two wayward oblasts and perhaps join with the RU and Belarus in creating a disarmed and neutralized reservation for those juvenile delinquents.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 12 2023 23:53 utc | 130

Twitter:

“Earlier Wagner soldiers reported that Ukrainians were using some sort of chemical weapon contraption on them in Bakhmut.
“Now Ukrainians themselves decided to proudly show it to the world.
“Someone please correct me, because this looks really bad.”

https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1613533449905737728
>…”The video from 8/1 where a Wagner soldier reports encountering some kind of chemical weapon in northeast Bakhmut”
https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1613535650422345728

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 12 2023 23:54 utc | 131

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 12 2023 23:42 utc | 124
Could you give us the book report or short summary? I’m not in a place where I’ll be able to watch video for quite a while.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 12 2023 23:55 utc | 132

@125 OK
That is incorrect Opie. The entities pushing the proxy war want Russia and ALL it’s resources then they will move on to China with their resources and umpteen consumers. Everything is controlled/run by the City of London Tiny Hats and the same in DC. Not sure if you’ve heard of the Protocols of Zion from 150 years ago?? Henry Makow has it all laid out for those that want to peruse his site.

Posted by: safe | Jan 12 2023 23:58 utc | 133

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 12 2023 23:55 utc | 131
summary–high chance of nuclear war, because the diplomatic mechanisms of avoiding this have been eviscerated. Russia will not negotiate now, it will take Ukraine (and as I understand him, will move to kneecap NATO, how far I’m not sure, to Germany?). it’s existence is at stake, and there is nobody in the West it can negotiate with–the UN has been compromised, not to mention NATO and the US and sundry other entities. Russia will dictate the terms of NATO’s surrender, and NATO will accept them or take us all into nuclear war. He references the Dylan Thomas poem and poses the question–will NATO go gently into that good night? he is not optimistic. he refers to a Johnny Cash song, written or sung when he was dying, about death, to describe our present situation.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 13 2023 0:01 utc | 134

Perimetr @99
Of course the Rottenchilds.
And yes, their reign over City of London and thence the Sceptred Isle dates back to 1815 where their courier from the Waterloo battlefield was equipped with carrier pigeons which reached Britain with the message…at which point relays of riders carried those messages of Wellington’s victory to their hideaway in London Town. So ASAP their agencies in the markets began selling off British bonds. That action persuaded the other players to get into the “Monkey see, Monkey do” act and subsequently sold off all their government and BoE paper. When the marked fully tanked in rapid order, those same agents bought up those bonds at Pence on the Pound Sterling. This action promptly broke the Bank of England, which at the time was under full operative control of the “Venetian” Montefioresd. Then the Rottenchilds assumed control over the Bank and subsequently of the Crown.
From that time on “Rule Brittania” and “Brittania Rule the Waves” took on new meaning, as the privatization of the British Empire began to metastasize.
Some researchers insisted several years ago that controlled assets of the Rottenchild crime clan are in the range of 550 Trillions of dollars…or whatever that may be in Pounds and Euros. Controlled assets do not indicate full ownership, as many others may be invested in those numerous banks, industries, media empires et al. The term is self-explanatory. It simply means that as the premiere shareholders, theirs is the loudest voice, even if whispered amongst their several co-conspirators.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2023 0:09 utc | 135

Posted by: Joe | Jan 12 2023 23:16 utc | 115
Boy , was I wrong about them being poorly – trained Russophile forced conscripts then!
Right about the shooter being from Siberian Russia though, which proves you need to read many diff articles to get the full pic of what is going on.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Jan 13 2023 0:10 utc | 136

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 13 2023 0:01 utc | 133
The thing in Ukraine could go on for actually several years. We have already moved through ukie potential into reducing Nato potential. Ukie armaments is very nearly 100 % dependent on what USA can give them. Also Polish regulars are increasingly constituting ukie army.
Depopulation of majority of Ukraine is most probable, with heavy filtration process for anyone to get back in.

Posted by: unimperator | Jan 13 2023 0:12 utc | 137

In battles in the Artemovsk direction, Wagner fighters completely destroyed the 61st brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. We are talking about the brigade whose fighters brazenly marched into Kherson last fall and committed their atrocities against the local population there.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/28644

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jan 13 2023 0:12 utc | 138

Joe | Jan 12 2023 23:16 utc | 115
Thanks Joe. I started looking for the telegram with details of the foxhole, but got distracted.
aristodemos | Jan 12 2023 23:16 utc | 116
Kamel-toe ho was always the “insurance policy” not to dispatch Joe.
Being the First Female President of the United States of America is a prize worth killing for ( “clintoncide”).
No matter how “woke” the U$ is, the real power brokers are going to want one of their own to win that prize.
IMO the Joe docs are to ensure he can’t run in ‘24. They may even faux impeach him to pin Ukraine on him. That way, a deal can be done regarding J6 and the worst of the UniParty/ U$ malfeasance in Ukraine will be overlooked.
He’ll be a lame duck president all ‘23, and the UniParty, with repubs holding the House, can walk back from Ukraine. (And NATO).
Anything Ukraine Joe owns from now.
And Ukraine can be lost in the cacophony of a presidential campaign.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 13 2023 0:20 utc | 139

Brother Ma | Jan 12 2023 23:47 utc | 127
I suspecvt that along with the changes to the Ukraine constitution in the sellmewnt, there will also be refcerendums in what are considered the Russian regions.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2023 0:32 utc | 140

Potoshenko reportedly agreed to rule post-Russia spaces that would report to a new a state to be formed around Moscow.
That is Higher Race for you! Noble species always ready to take responsibility!!!

Posted by: Arioch | Jan 13 2023 0:32 utc | 141

Arne Hartmann@119 and many others
War has many dimensions. As The Soviet Union was still in charge of the Comintern and was idealized by most C.P. members and fellow-travelers across the world; there were many so inclined who did influential work behind the lines. Among them, even surpassing the Rotte Kappele in Deutschland itself, was one Richard Sorge, a secretary in the German embassy in Tokyo.
Sorge had access to the safes in the embassy and carefully photographed highest secret documents, including the intended “Kesselschlacht” in the Kursk Salient, where even Herr Porsche himself designed what was then presumed to be the premiere tank on the battlefield, the Konig Tiger.
Possessing this material moved along the channels from Tokyo to Moscow, Stalin and the Stavka were initially somewhat hesitant or maybe even suspicious of the photostats. However, when other “sends” from Sorge were proven out in the course of events; The Russian High Command decided to invert the “Kesselschlacht” and prepared the ground in that salient with one of the most extensive and carefully delineated defenses in depth in military history. Embedded 76mm antitank guns, infantry and sapper lairs, minefields, tank-traps and many other implementations in advance created a trap for what became the “Burning Tigers” which had no forward facing machine-guns, because of the density of the armor and which were either poorly or inadequately supported by infantry and thus were readily taken out by sappers who approached them from flanks and rear and knocked them out with satchel-charges tossed beneath their soft underbellies.
Many military historians concluded that the Battle of the Kursk Salient was won primarily by a German Communist who had not been properly vetted by the embassy in Tokyo…Richard Sorge.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2023 0:35 utc | 142

Belle@121
So the U$$A Department of $tate has its knickers in a knot over the fact that amongst the Wagner professionals there are a number of former convicts. As overeducated idiots from elite universities, it surprises me that they appear to be either unaware, or hiding their ought to be knowledge, that the exalted French Foreign Legion had at least more than their share of former prisoners.
As George Santayana pointed out…slightly paraphrased…”those who do not know history are condemned to repeat it”.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2023 0:40 utc | 143

“me”@123
So the U$$A is a bit chary of Wagner and its various former prisoners…good on them due to the fact that the U$$A currently holds some 25% of the world’s incarcerated individuals, while making up only 4+ percent of the planets population.
Perhaps its a good thing that the U.S. military is at wits end right now as their recruitment rates have tanked and many of their would be enlistees are horrifically overweight as the majority of young American males are mere sub-urbanites while those relatively few country boys sport so many practical skills that they usually land well-paying jobs in various craft and construction fields
Hoping that the many intel types who haunt this site like it was Halloween right across the calendar, do not possess the channels to their superiors that “hey, why don’t we get someone like Blackwater/Academi, owned by the egregious Eric Prince to convince some of the pro$titians in the Di$trict of Corruption to access some of the hundreds of thousands of American prisoners and let them escape their fetters and bars by joining up. ”
Some of those guys have nothing better to do than work out all day, putting a bunch of them in far superior physical condition than their prissy preppy burbie baby nice kids. I’m afraid that many of those guys would jump at the chance to get outta the “hole” and do them some killing for the good old “USA, USA, USA!!!!!”

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2023 0:55 utc | 144

I also saw the Christchurch massacre video and I saw no blood anywhere either. Unless we are willing to accept that that was a fake as well , I think it was real.
Posted by: Brother Ma | Jan 12 2023 21:24 utc | 81
It was fake. You could even see the blood squib on the dummy in the street. It didn’t detonate and when the sleeve blew up, you could see the rectangular shaped packet of blood. Also there were no bullet holes nor damage to any of the walls, and the videos showed “bodies” piled up in the corners before the guy entered. As soon as video panned to it, there were already heaps of these “bodies” in the corners. Inspection of stills of the video, you could make out that they were dummies. They used a combination of dummies and crisis actors. Also his bullets and cartridges disappeared into thin air at one part. Also, just like many of these other media hyped mass-shootings, there just happened to be police nearby conducting exercises. In that case there was a big sharp-shooter convention going on at the time.

Posted by: MiniMo | Jan 13 2023 0:57 utc | 145

aristodemos – sadly, I think the US would do the same thing. There is precedent in previous wars, and I could see the private prison industry jumping all over ‘leasing out’ their prisoners to the USMIC for profit and to free up space for the rest of us. The deal the US prisoners would get would not be so gracious as the ones the Wagner group is offering, and I doubt many would be able to collect on the deal if it came down to it anyway. These prisoner soldiers would be almost exclusively from the lower classes and many (most?) would not even be US citizens, illegal immigrants will do just fine.

Posted by: me | Jan 13 2023 1:02 utc | 146

Can anyone shed some light on what happened to the Bushmaster vehicles the Australians supplied to Ukraine, with much cheering and publicity, I have seen a picture of one that was burnt out but I wonder about the others, as per normal much was made of the prowess of these vehicles but never any follow up of their fate.

Posted by: Alan | Jan 13 2023 1:17 utc | 147

RE: comrade simba @96–
I wholeheartedly second karlof1’s recommendation of Cynthia Chung’s exposés of the US and its massive support and uses of Ukrainian nazis toward the end of WWII until this very day.
https://strategic-culture.org/news/2022/04/04/how-ukrainian-nationalist-movement-post-wwii-was-bought-and-paid-for-by-cia/

Posted by: AntiSpin | Jan 13 2023 1:24 utc | 148

Posted by: morongobill | Jan 12 2023 15:43 utc | 1

Two events really got to me yesterday.
1) watching the trench fight video. *war really is Hell, not a video game.


That’s still a very clear understood from all bar-flies..
The question however is: What RF can develop to free LPR/DNR/Sapar/Kherson ? …
Within this year ? – I do not believe on that goal timely.
We’ll see, strategical things are moving slowly, but on an early surprise may wonder:
“What’s now going on ?” a la NBC,CNN,DLF,ntv, … they have no more media stuff to fill into their “media mouth” – either to report the truth …
Let’s see – What the new Mil-command struct will perform .. next a days ..

Posted by: spare_truth | Jan 13 2023 1:26 utc | 149

This is very good info about WTF is going on in Russia.
https://m.business-gazeta.ru/article/579007

Posted by: Lubomir | Jan 13 2023 1:31 utc | 150

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 13 2023 0:01 utc | 133
Thanks. I agree about the mechanisms or even willingness to negotiate IN GOOD FAITH by the NATO-stans has been eviscerated.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 13 2023 1:35 utc | 151

Opport Knocks @125
COE, with even a tad of Scots ancestry. So be it. As for the Crown and including the Crown Lands there in Canuckistan, a devolved entity compared with its effervescent culture during the 70’s; I would doubt that you would dare deny that your Dominion is well named ,as it happens to enjoy the presence of a Governor General, who presumably was named to that position by the late Quean, and currently serves King Chuck.
This takes us to the Southern Hemisphere and another of the Five Eyes, the Commonwealth of Australia, still suffering under DOMINION status. Now we needs must revert to the U$$A invasion of Vietnam back in the 60’s and early 70’s, when Australia’s then Prime Minister Gough Whitland was stoutly against sending Diggers to the fracas to the northwards. His position was not well received by the Puppet Regime in the Di$trict of Corruption and they informed The City, that they did not approve of Whitland and that they wished him removed. Australia’s Governor General at the time promptly sacked him.
The Five Eyes, includes the U$$A, whose Stars and Stripes flag is but a slightly adjusted replication of the old British East India Company, aka the John Company. John happened to be the identity of a number of gentlemen from “The Ethnicity” who were also British subjects, such as the Sassoons.
Should you insist on my delving into “The Ruling Elite” by the courageous Deanna Spangola, who unlike myself loads her volume with copious footnotes, et al; we can go at it tooth and nail. My take is that you may well be an academicist or possibly a barrister, to judge from your tone. So I shall rebut your ridiculous claims that the Mangy old Lion does not include any teeth who are in full control of City of London.
Sometimes you get downright silly, like your claim that there are THOUSANDS of shareholders in the “Federal” Reserve Bank.
That private entity (at least you do appear to admit that it is not owned by the U.$ government) is In fact owned by a consortium of major banks, many of which became “too large to fail” and were bailed out by the U.$. treasury to the tune of several trillions of dollars following the 2008 financial collapse.
Primarily, though, primacy of ownership is held by no more than eight crime clans, seven of them of the Ethnicity and only one of the seven being American and officially not of the ethnicity, even though John Davison Rockefeller happened to be the son of David Aaronovich Rockefeller.
Should you prefer to pursue this matter further, I will take the time to dig through the archives and cite the familial names of those seven Ethnic crime clans.
You do realize, I should suppose, that an intermarried consortium, each of which possesses large measures of preferred stocks as well as bonds in the “Fed”, are able to determine policy within the entire institution for the simple reason that there is no other possible COMBINATION which can out-vote them in their coverted board of directors meetings.
Those interlinked global corporations, the vast majority of the cited 1,800 such, are hardly “owned” by their numerous private shareholders. Those individuals are mere serfs on the plantation. ..or minor minions at best. There is general ownership (similar to the faux “democracies” which make up the Western Combine) and then they are the interlocked primary owners who control the preferred stock and are the major bond-holders. They may seem to be in competition to those who have not deigned to study these matters. However, they work as a TEAM…even to such commercial entities like Pepsico and Coca Cola, who work together to maintain their various monopolistic holdings.
You Sirrah, appear to be either not well schooled or simply a cad…quite possibly a plant as well on this site. As for private ownership within Canuckistan, may I nominate the Bronfmans and the Thompsons. Your country under the Trudy/Freeland regime is in a pitiful state, what with those WEF J.G.’s little dictatorship with free euthanasia on demand. Perhaps you would better engage in the resurrection of “True North Brave and Free” instead of continuing to introject toxins into this site.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2023 1:36 utc | 152

Comrade Simba @ 96:
Just found this article by Ivan Katchanovski on the Maidan massacre incident in February 2014 that led to the then Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych fleeing for his life into Russia.
The hidden origin of the escalating Ukraine-Russian conflict-The Maidan massacre
Katchanovski’s article supports the article in the first link in Tom_Q_Collins’s comment @ 114 and both should be read together.
Katchanovski is a Ukrainian-Canadian political scientist and lecturer at the University of Ottawa. Hardly the sort of person you’d think would be a fan of tinfoil hats.
John-Paul Himka wrote an article The History behind the Regional Conflict in Ukraine years ago but I am not confident of the proper citation (unless it’s the one right at the bottom of the first page).
John-Paul Himka is a retired American historian and history academic who married the daughter of Mykhailo Chomiak who collaborated with the Nazis during their occupation by Poland. Chomiak edited the newspaper “Krakivski Visti” (“Krakow Daily”). In the late 1990s Himka researched his father-in-law’s work as editor and discovered how involved with the Nazis Chomiak had been. (By then, Chomiak was dead, having passed away in the mid-1980s.) Himka’s niece Chrystia Freeland (then a journalist; she is now Canada’s deputy PM / finance minister) assisted him with the research.

Posted by: Jen | Jan 13 2023 1:37 utc | 153

This blog is a magnet for the single largest collection of paranoid, psychotic, homicidal maniacs ever known to mankind. Kudos b!

Posted by: Muthaucker | Jan 13 2023 1:39 utc | 154

Alan | Jan 13 2023 1:17 utc | 146 “Can anyone shed some light on what happened to the Bushmaster vehicles the Australians supplied to Ukraine,”
I am sure Russia shone a bot of light on them. Has been some pics of Australian scrap metal.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2023 1:41 utc | 155

now is not the time to get upset over the violent deaths of Nazis. Buck up, son.

They looked more like conscripts that were pulled off the street, shown the basic operation of an AK and 3 weeks later found themselves in that hole.

Posted by: Fred | Jan 13 2023 1:42 utc | 156

Of primary importance in the war between Russia and NATO/Outlaw US Empire is their respective economies. In Putin’s meeting with the government today I linked to earlier and translated at my VK, it was quite clear that Russia’s economy is doing very well. In comparison, I urge interested barflies to read the analysis provided at Shadowstats, which shows the Empire’s economy in deep trouble while its central bank–the Fed–doing the opposite of what’s needed to be done to stabilize the deep slide of what is a continuation of the Recession caused by the Bankster’s Fraud in 2007-9 and exacerbated by Covid-19 policy. And amidst all the media chatter about how the economy will be stimulated by the arms orders and relocation of European industry, look at the key indicators as reported by Shadowstats, particularly industrial production and capacity, which you’d think would be rising but are instead falling, as are interconnected indicators. If the Outlaw US Empire hopes to have any chance of defeating Russia, it must dramatically increase its industrial output by a very substantial amount: 40-60% is what’s needed. But Fed policy is aiming at nothing of the sort. All that budgeted money going to the MIC while nothing of substance will be produced shows the insane level of corruption that will cause the Empire’s downfall. As someone once said: It’s Criminal.
And that’s yet another reason why NATO will lose to Russia. Not only does NATO lack enough of the proper weapons, the collective failings of its member’s economies also means there’s no way for NATO to overcome that fundamental weakness. The only way to stop the meat grinder NATO built and started is for NATO to surrender. But NATO won’t, which tells you just how Anti-Human it is.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 13 2023 1:44 utc | 157

Posted by: Muthaucker | Jan 13 2023 1:39 utc | 153
Yes there are an awful lot of you trolls. Your lot instigated this war and are 100% responsible, just as you were for the slaughter in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria, Laos and Cambodia and are fellow travelers with the slaughter in Yemen and Palestine.
Your hypocrisy disgusts me.

Posted by: watcher | Jan 13 2023 1:47 utc | 158

Muthaucker @153–
That would make all us commentators members of the US Congress and its Executive Branch.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 13 2023 1:47 utc | 159

@ aristodemos | Jan 12 2023 23:46 utc | 126
The eventual eighth President of America, George Washington, along with two thirds of the founding fathers, were heavily invested in land speculation via the Ohio Company of Virginia. Another rich man’s war, poor man’s fight, started after King George III’s Royal Proclamation of 1763 forbade all settlements west of the Appalachian Mountains.

Posted by: ? | Jan 13 2023 1:48 utc | 160

Posted by: Lubomir | Jan 13 2023 1:31 utc | 149
What is business-gazeta.ru? It’s not the business section of Gazeta; that domain is simply gazeta.ru/business.
This seems like a separate publication and I’m having trouble locating any information on its provenance or funding. Can you share any background information about this site?
Some of the opinions expressed by the person interviewed are accurate, IMO – including the criticism of Putin for not acting much sooner, as in back in 2014/15, but other conclusions he draws seem fantastical and overly negative.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 13 2023 1:51 utc | 161

Melaleuca@138
You may well be onto something. Maneuvering within the Di$trict of Corruption will soon go into high gear. Take the Republican Party, for instance: Ben Sasse gave up his senatorial position for Nebraska to take on the presidency of some Southern university…North Caroline, I seem to recall. Though from one of the most reliably conservative states in the nation, Senator Sasse was broadly viewed by the populist emergence within that party as a RINO…acronymic for Republican in Name Only.
Currently, the Democrats are doing their all to take down Congressman Santos from New York State. He was one of those GOP candidates who defeated a seated Democrat in a somewhat rural and working-class district…formerly the haunt of the D’s. Like the vast majority of Congresscritters, Santos appears to wear some dirty laundry. Thus the Pretzeldunce’s fellow sniffers are on him like a pack of coonhounds.
Following the circus centered on the #3 in line for the presidency (a not impossible goal for that climber), McCarthy was obliged by around twenty of his fellow Republicans to submit to their not unreasonable demands in order to achieve his goal of being the Squeaker of the Mouse.
What appears to be occurring is that even the “Wokies” amongst the American public are becoming ever more cynical towards the entire federal governmental apparatus. Amazingly and amusingly, the left/right dichotomy between the Dems and the Reps has managed to achieve a political 180, where now the Reps appear to be a voice for the “downtrodden masses” while the Dems, in close cohesion with the mass corporate media, almost all of academia and even federal entities such as the FBI, have become caught up in sled-dog harnesses on behalf of the corporate state.
Fiction writers and Hollywood screen-writers could not have come up with such a scenario. Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of Americans huddle in makeshift shelters out on the streets, public infrastructure is falling apart for lack of proper attention; airline flights are cancelled or delayed; private indebtedness to credit card usurious predators has virtually achieved escape velocity…and the band plays on, with nearly countless billions wafting away to the Ukraine rathole.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2023 1:57 utc | 162

Jen | Jan 13 2023 1:37 utc | 152
There is an interesting section in the Crimean documentary. According to that, Russian intel knew a hit squad had been sent to kill Yanukovych. Interviews with Putin in that and he oversaw the operation to get Yanukovych out. Apparently he did not know a hit suad had been sent after him. He had gone out to his voter base in Donetsk as he had sdigned the agreement for an early election and thats where the Russians contacted him.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2023 1:58 utc | 163

@ Muthaucker | Jan 13 2023 1:39 utc | 153
Not many of you left, eh.

Posted by: Laurence | Jan 13 2023 1:59 utc | 164

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2023 1:57 utc | 161
Your defense of this Santos character is a strange hill upon which to die. He fabricated the entirety of his life’s story. Literally everything he has said he did and who he and his family are, are lies. This is way more than Biden or Bush’s lies about their academic or military histories; it’s 10X that. For that reason, even Republicans are asking him to step down. The dude is a major fraud currently surrounded by mostly lesser frauds, but he’s an exposed fraud nonetheless and defending him or minimizing his chicanery is below you.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 13 2023 2:13 utc | 165

Of General Interest for Americans
Just now caught the Chew Pork Slymes, aka “The Grey Lady” and broadly known as “America’s” “Newspaper of Record” is happily dancing on the newly dug and prepared political grave for Congressman Santos, a Republican of relatively little repute, who defeated the Democrat anointed candy-date in an upstate New York district.
That publication, for some 130 years owned by the Ethnicity, was all in on the U.S. getting involved on the side of J.P. Morgan’s “Allies” in WWI and also instrumental in Roosevelt’s campaign to get his regime into WWII. They have no shame and no love for common humanity. Though they hire some of the most talented journalists that dirty big money can buy and also contain the best American crossword puzzles around; that institution is becoming more and more toxic in its partisan subjectivity.
Some years back, while still at the homestead, during Northern Minnesota’s winter months, I cheated a bit instead of going outdoors in -20F temperatures, making a deposit upon a spread-out three signatures of the NYT, bundling the mass up after the fact and then pitching it into the maw of the wood-burning stove . No odor, no muss, no fuss and a perfect sendoff for the most disrespectable publication across the fruited plain.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2023 2:14 utc | 166

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 13 2023 2:13 utc | 164
Oh yeah, and it remains a mystery how this fraud named Santos suddenly (not slowly like Peloser) became filthy rich when he cannot produce a shred of evidence for business successes. There is something very fishy about that guy.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jan 13 2023 2:15 utc | 167

AFU is a spent force and Russia is very likely to finish them off in the next 6 months. So NATO has to decide to either accept defeat or go all in, first with Polish and Baltic troops into Western Ukraine to free Ukrainian forces that then move to stabilize the front in the East. At that point, it is a NATO – Russia conflict. The fact that Gerasimov now leads the SMO reflects to me RU MOD thinking that NATO very likely will intervene.
Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Jan 12 2023 16:37 utc | 11
I don’t know if your conclusion about the MOD thinking is correct, but AFU is indeed a spent force and Russia is setting the table for something. It seems to me that once the Ukrainians were unambiguously knocked back on their heels in the spring and early summer months of 2022, the Ukrainian strategy of hold-at-all-costs, mobilize everybody, and throw human resources away on ersatz offences has been to buy support and time. Their conduct of this war has made no military sense unless it is looked at in this context. The question is: Why are they desperate to buy time? Do they know NATO will intervene and are therefore buying time for NATO; or do they *hope* NATO will intervene, knowing it is their only chance for victory? Their heroically suicidal offences seem to be mostly for show so far, to demonstrate their “loyalty” to the beast that guides them, in hopes of impressing their masters so deeply that they are rescued. The Ukrainian leadership appears from my vantage point to be insane, but possibly they fervently believe the West will be drawn in if they hold the line just a little while longer. As for NATO, I don’t think it is capable of intervening with great force. It is capable of keeping the water at a slow boil, however. The Ukrainians will suffer grievously in any case.

Posted by: Activist Potato | Jan 13 2023 2:20 utc | 168

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 13 2023 1:44 utc | 156
1st:
.. If the Outlaw US Empire hopes to have any chance of defeating Russia, it must dramatically increase its industrial output by a very substantial amount: 40-60% is what’s needed ..
2nd:
.. Not only does NATO lack enough of the proper weapons, the collective failings of its member’s economies also means there’s no way for NATO to overcome that fundamental weakness. ..

to 1: What’s “needed” is always to be adapted by “HIS COCK-PIANO-PLAYING” Actor UKR-PM Selen-Skis (but sorry, no snow more that winter for skiing > 0C!) – laugh or not?
to 2: All may not forget, that nowadays “this” will be a very long war between the “West” and the multi-polar Middle+East India,China,Africa-States, SouthAM, etc. ..
Now, RF has restructured its MIL Top-Commanders, that’s a sign to go more likely aggressive adapted, strategical over-all NO/NS/ and S/SE – directions to move forward.
But sorry, I still laugh about some 10 sqm land gain, even in Soledar ..
That’s only a small step to get “control” over the “Salt mines/caves” ..
A lot to do .. May Wagner go ahead, they will meeet some old mercs from Germany/Poland and UK (Deutsche/Poland speaking scanned on walkies) .. but mayhear music nearby in heaven ..

Posted by: spare_truth | Jan 13 2023 2:28 utc | 169

Posted by: Activist Potato | Jan 13 2023 2:20 utc | 167
“As for NATO, I don’t think it is capable of intervening with great force. It is capable of keeping the water at a slow boil, however. The Ukrainians will suffer grievously in any case.”
likely true, the ‘battlespace prep’ (which the us marines are planning for west pacific over formosa) would be a year or more, while uaf burns usa ammunition and air defense launchers and expendables.
nato is not able to project past central poland. usa would need to build an iron mountain and a very large lake of fuel/pol within easy range of russian interdiction assets.
usa going in to east poland is nothing like it building up to take iraq out of kuwait!
for example us air and missile defenses are unaffordable, unreliable, and poor performing wherever they tilt against third world guerillas.
and rf would likely not sit by and watch a 21st century pagonis build and iron mountain like iraq did….

Posted by: paddy | Jan 13 2023 2:37 utc | 170

spare_truth @168–
What you cited from my comment has even greater relevance within the Big Picture. Do recall Putin’s vow and the Joint Declaration of China/Russia from last February. There’s more to the game than mere Ukraine.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 13 2023 2:49 utc | 171

@51
WW2. My uncle, an officer in the German army, was captured in Russia – their western front – supposedly a day after Stalin (or someone else) ordered army to stop shooting officers. He was in the salt mines for years. Probably not labouring. As it was late in the war would he have been in this area Soledar, or are there salt mines further east? The things you don’t think to ask.
Always said he was treated well and that they had more food than the guards and that they shared food with the guards.

Posted by: Inki | Jan 13 2023 2:53 utc | 172

Muthaucker | Jan 13 2023 1:39 utc | 153
This blog is a magnet for the single largest collection of paranoid, psychotic, homicidal maniacs ever known to mankind
And here you are, day after day, thread after thread. Magnetically attracted.
So, which of your designated categories do you yourself occupy?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 13 2023 2:53 utc | 173

“Johnny Cash song, written or sung when he was dying, about death, to describe our present situation.”
Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 13 2023 0:01 utc | 133
a cover from a NIN original, the cover better than the original, and an absolute classic – listen to it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AHCfZTRGiI

Posted by: htyul | Jan 13 2023 2:54 utc | 174

Alan @ 146, Peter AU 1 @ 154:
I recall seeing photos of a damaged Bushmaster tank at a military exhibition in Moscow a few weeks after the first lot of such tanks was delivered to Ukraine.
One thing for sure, we ain’t gonna see any of them back in Australia except as scrap.

Posted by: Jen | Jan 13 2023 2:55 utc | 175

Re: Posted by: young | Jan 12 2023 16:03 utc | 5
You are just obsessed with the prospect of nuclear war aren’t you.
Once again you are entirely wrong though – there will be no Russian-launches nuclear war when Donetsk is finally captured.
You are 100% erroneous in the conclusions you’ve drawn.

Posted by: Julian | Jan 13 2023 2:57 utc | 176

I chapeau aristodemos #8. As per recent/ ongoing jabbing experience, might as well add Big Pharma to the lot, owned by the same guys.

Posted by: Sektion2B | Jan 13 2023 2:58 utc | 177

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2023 0:55 utc | 143
I agree with much of what you have said , and have now earned about the John Company. In all my reading on the BEC, I had never heard that term. Can you believe it!
I have never seen evidence of Rockefeller (born 1839 ) being Jewish or having Jewish antecedents. His father was William “ Big Bill “Avery Rockefeller, and mother was surnamed Davison.
Yet, there was much intermarriage with people surnamed Spelman,Aldrich, Chapman etc all also Jewish names but not necessarily so. Most Ashkenazis have German or East Slavic surnames that natives also have. So one cant say they were Jewish just from the surname although a betting man could make money in general just on the basis of the conjunction of surnames and occupations.
As for the Dismissal of Whitlam , the sacking Governor – General was named …John; Sir John Kerr ,or Cur , depending on your political persuasion.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2023 0:09 utc | 134
I didn’t know Rothschilds bested Montefiore in the Wake of the Waterloo Victory. Interesting.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2023 0:35 utc | 141
Poor Sorge even warned Russia of the exact date of Barbarossa and he wasn’t believed by Stalin . How sad is that ?
Posted by: MiniMo | Jan 13 2023 0:57 utc | 144
Christchurch massacre ? True or not? I also noticed a few things you mentioned like the bodies in corners etc but not blood packets or dummies (yet I never ran it in slomo or watched it over and over). I want the truth and like thinking rationally as much as I can. Are there fakes in the world? Yes. Are there fake assassinations? Yes.
However, assuming you are correct and they were all crisis actors or dummies, how do you explain the lists of dead? Wouldn’t people who saw familiar faces on Tv , call out the sham if they saw their moslem friend back at work , or walking down the street some time later? Could the Nz intelligence and gov hide fifty or so people and all their known families forever in some “witness protection scheme”. I find that hard to believe. However, tell me more if you want ,on the “not ukraine “ thread.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Jan 13 2023 3:02 utc | 178

Re: Posted by: Peace | Jan 12 2023 17:50 utc | 28

THE attack from Belarus will occur in the next day or two. Russia is about to go all in and go shock and awe.

Nope – this will NOT happen.
The capitalized “THE” suggests to me you copied this from somewhere else as well.

Posted by: Julian | Jan 13 2023 3:10 utc | 179

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2023 0:32 utc | 139
** Tipping of hat **

Posted by: Brother Ma | Jan 13 2023 3:10 utc | 180

karlof1 @170
“has even greater relevance within the Big Picture. Do recall Putin’s vow and the Joint Declaration of China/Russia from last February. There’s more to the game than mere Ukraine.” …
OK – you’re right as checked that acc.to Your’s “Big Picture”.
But the big-picture is jet out-of reaching within this plus 2 + 3 years, You know that also as me.
So, what remains today to think & to hope is a little interpretation of current “movements”, how to get aqny peace in UKR without ‘assasinating’ the real Schwab following actors, as Lenkski is !
(the supporting Officials all over EU for More MIL-Shipment, like HIMARS>=300km, and Leo-II acc.to the BBock-Girl+Biden+CIA/Mossad-Chiefs will 100% fail due to maintenance).
I advice to RF new Command Struct:
Go force, eliminate all railway weapon tracks, before it’s too late!

Posted by: spare_truth | Jan 13 2023 3:18 utc | 181

“At some point, the Ukrainians will change their government. Russia has no interest in regime change. They could have wiped out the Ukraine government at any point. It is up to the Ukrainians to change their government and that will come,”
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 12 2023 22:59 utc | 107
It is very wise of the Russians not to forcefully execute regime change. The change has to come from within, or it will not be long-lasting or permanent. The Russians want a lasting peace – taking out leaders before the surrender/revolt of the people will only create further resistance among those who support the leaders. The government has to surrender with terms, its people rise up to depose it, or it and its people subjugated by force, which in all cases means elimination of all/most of the hostile agents.
The Americans take out regimes all the time, but don’t understand or change the people. That’s why their empire will never stand the test of time.

Posted by: Activist Potato | Jan 13 2023 3:20 utc | 182

Re: Posted by: Jen | Jan 12 2023 23:12 utc | 112
Jen – the roots of the current conflict go back over a century – to 1922 – when this abomination of a country called Ukraine was constructed by sticking it together – literally with sticking plaster – that is when Novorossiya – which is being fought over now – was added to Ukraine.
If that decision was never made it is doubtful there’d even be a war now.

Posted by: Julian | Jan 13 2023 3:20 utc | 183

Jen @ 152
Katchanovski was just on the Useful Idiots podcast with Aaron Mate and Katie Halper. He also has a Twitter account that recently has some interesting polling data…Republican support for Ukraine steadily dwindling.

Posted by: Objective Observer | Jan 13 2023 3:29 utc | 184

Brother Ma | Jan 13 2023 3:02 utc | 177
Chris+church was 10,000% fake.
I won’t elaborate here. Too much. It’s totally OT (or is it?, as everything in Ukraine is fake, and one of the reasons they are able to keep up with Ukraine psyop is because they’ve honed their skills at events like kirkchirch. )
I was online as it happened. Saw a shitload of stuff as it happened.
All poof! Gone. Instantly. I saw the full vid before it was taken down and 4chan did magnificent obsessive analysis of all the minutiae. Most of 4chan archives of that have been purged.
The vid quickly disappeared and it was made illegal for Australians to access, download, save (view) the vid. I’m cautious about discussing it. I know what I saw and what was available then that isn’t now.
Port Arthur Tasmania was 10,000% fake. They were lucky the internet didn’t really exist as we know it now, and social media woulda destroyed the narrative instantly.. but.
If @bar intends to discuss further… It’s really an open thread topic. Not Ukraine.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 13 2023 3:33 utc | 185

“This blog is a magnet for the single largest collection of paranoid, psychotic, homicidal maniacs ever known to mankind.”

And you must be incredibly brave for telling them that, whoever they are! 🙂

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 13 2023 3:39 utc | 186

@Milites | Jan 12 2023 18:39 utc | 38
Churchill worked to destroy Germany’s fuel production. Without fuel, Germany also ran out of food. One can’t win in modern warfare without fuel and food. It was less that Germany couldn’t win battles than that they couldn’t fight them.

Posted by: barstool | Jan 13 2023 3:44 utc | 187

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 13 2023 2:49 utc | 170
Hi, what You posted on @170 is the truth.
But, who may have the “Right” way to publish here?
I’ll make a trial here (beside US-Cencorship Robots on this channel).
You’ve captured my last comment (there is contained some like “assassinated”).
Even if yes/no confirmed and/or passed of that ‘word’ by this operating host-master(b),
I’ll set that expression whenever needed.
Thus I caqn tell You, The RF-Army incl. Wagner PMC are preparing some new “tactical” systems on Air + Ground that US-Intel has not yet recovered …

Posted by: spare_truth | Jan 13 2023 3:49 utc | 188

TomQCollins@134
My aim was not to exonerate Santos, noting that he had dirty laundry. It was primarily to point out the clown-circus which the Di$trict of Corruption has become…it’s gotten so crazy that even his staff is now ganging up on Biden…as are people in the “justice” department. Get it? The whole puzzle palace has gone completely schizo. Santos is simply the icing atop one very putrid cake.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2023 3:49 utc | 189

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Jan 12 2023 19:59 utc | 57
The collapse of the Wehrmacht came with Operation Bagration from June to August 1944. The Red Army encircled the Heeresgruppe Mitte in Belarus and ended the Wehrmacht’s capability to effectively withstand the Red Army. Operation Bagration was the biggest defeat of any German army in history.
Fascinating history.
There are many criteria for defining a turning point. Didn’t Yamamoto declare the attack on Pearl Harbor a turning point? Similarly, Operation Barbarossa could be declared a turning point.
Major battles, sea and air battles included can also be a turning point, Midway and Stalingrad come to mind. Operation Bagration also makes that list.
El-Alamein got the Germans out of Africa. Hitler did not (could not) send fuel, ordnance, spare parts and supplies to Rommel. Montgomery read that correctly.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jan 13 2023 3:50 utc | 190

@ Posted by: ? | Jan 13 2023 1:48 utc | 159
And why is this on a blog about the Ukraine?
Also factually incorrect, but not going to waste everyone’s time with “click blog” rebuttal.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Jan 13 2023 3:52 utc | 191

Back to Ukraine.
I think the next big battle will be for the Yahinde. SW of Krasna Hora. Of course Ukraine PR will call it a small, insignificant town that has been abandoned for some time. No real reason for Russia to attack it and make a big deal about it.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Jan 13 2023 3:55 utc | 192

Julian | Jan 13 2023 3:20 utc | 182
Correct re the long antecedents of this war.
But if the U$ didn’t have Donbass as a blunt object (or sharp stick) to rile Russia, they’d find something else. Or conjure something.
The U$ has conducted “color revolutions” in ??100??? countries. There’s always an issue that can be found, divisions exaggerated and exacerbated.
There’s always something.
When Obama announced the Pivot to Asia, the U$ thought they’d move into Darwin and take over the port (and city), only to discover, to their outrage and horror, the Chinese already held a 99-year lease.
The Australian public was then agitated to outrage about this, supporting the U$ call to have the lease terminated and the Chinese booted.
When that didn’t work, they set their sights on Western Australia.
Now Western Australia has historically held an independent inclination. It only joined the eastern colonies in federating and forming the Commonwealth of Australia right at the last, and has many times threatened to leave, any time concessions aren’t made to its benefit.
Western Australia has oil, minerals, gold, diamonds, agriculture and…. water.
The U$ is busy busy busy building bases, and has embedded itself into government and academia …. I fully expect/ anticipate as the U$ escalates it’s conflict with China for it to agitate for Western Australia to secede… especially if the eastern states are reluctant to support a war with China.
Western Australia is a huge, rich, well positioned “lillypad” (as the U$ military has deemed it) from which to launch missiles at China.
Easier if it’s not part of the Australian Commonwealth, but an independent entity.
The long dormant inclination for independence is a fissure I can see the U$ exploiting.
My point: When it comes to destroying nations, there’s always something to use for divide and conquer … even in a once bland and seemingly homogeneous nation like Australia.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 13 2023 3:57 utc | 193

BroncoBilly | Jan 13 2023 3:55 utc | 191

I think the next big battle will be for …

What “we” think the “next battle” would be it’s only a speculatiion, as you say.
None of us is able to fore-say anything for the next days – but something is rumoured in background, .. so wait what this Friday-13th will bring on good/bad news for either side in Your’s/Our’s MSM.

Posted by: spare_truth | Jan 13 2023 4:09 utc | 194

Jen 112 and pretzel 124
Thanks for the links to Scott Ritter talks, both are excellent, the first one is a very accurate, yet fluent, simple, and dare I say, attractive presentation of “how we got here” with Russia and Ukraine, and the second one is an impassionate call to change of American mind set – otherwise he is very pessimistic and predicts thermonuclear war – he is actually begging to be proven wrong.
I think Scott Ritter and several other Americans should be jointly proposed for Nobel Peace prize, if there is some agreement to stop the confrontation West vs. East. As Ritter says – it is “insanity”. (I can have lofty dreams?)

Posted by: fanto | Jan 13 2023 4:15 utc | 195

fanto | Jan 13 2023 4:15 utc | 194

.. As Ritter says – it is “insanity”. (I can have lofty dreams?) ..

You should’nt have “dreams” so far too much so far, but it’s legal to have those, as I do.
The RF-Guys are still fighting this complete Friday-13th night long, they have losses and wounded men, as usual. This is NOT a video-game – this is real-time – every minute!
Wait .. RF is something planning about more effective measures next days than before.

Posted by: spare_truth | Jan 13 2023 4:35 utc | 196

Tom_Q_Collins @ 160:
Business-gazeta.ru is Business Online, an online newspaper based in Kazan that covers business news and general news in the Republic of Tatarstan and possibly also the nearby Republic of Bashkortostan. It seems to be pro-Russian or at least not overly anti-Russian but it takes a pessimistic stand on the Russian SMO in Ukraine.
I cannot find on its website any link to a Board of Directors or a list of sponsors. I assume though that, like all other news media outlets operating in Russia, it must by law declare all its sources of funding and register as a foreign media outlet if over 50% of its funding comes from sources outside Russia.

Posted by: Jen | Jan 13 2023 4:37 utc | 197

Posted by: aristodemos | Jan 13 2023 1:36 utc | 151
It appears you are so far down the “eight family” conspiratorial rabbit hole, you will never see daylight. While there may have been merit to the thesis 50 years ago, the world has moved on. None of the families are among the top shareholders of the Member Banks of the Regional Banks that make up the Federal Reserve, nor are they represented on either the Board of the Fed or the boards of big member banks, it is easy enough but time consuming to look them up. There are no Federal Reserve preferred shareholders, only Class A (varied by bank size) and Class B-C supposedly representing public interests.
The Treasury Department is the beneficial owner of the Fed, and receives all profits after the statutory 6% dividend is paid to member banks. Recently that was typically almost $100 billion, making it easily the biggest revenue line item in the Federal Budget.
As for Ms. Spingola, those are interesting from a historical perspective, but the effort would be better spent to document the malfeasance that is happening now and under our noses. If you crawled out of the rabbit hole you might notice it.
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The British Monarch has never declined the recommended Government of Canada nomination for the 100% ceremonial position of Governor General. Ditto for the Provinces. The monarchy is nothing more than a diversion for the plebes, a tourism attraction, seller of tabloids and a touchstone for a few elites who think it confers respectability by association.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jan 13 2023 4:39 utc | 198

Russia India discuss Ukraine

Russian President Vladimir Putin held a phone call with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi about the situation in Ukraine and ties between Moscow and New Delhi, the Kremlin said on Friday.
Putin and Modi “expressed satisfaction” with the high level of bilateral cooperation developing based on “a particularly privileged Russian-Indian strategic partnership,” the Kremlin said in a statement.
“The leaders discussed in detail the prospects for practical cooperation in such areas as mutual investment, energy, agriculture, transport, and logistics,” it added.
They also pointed out the importance of continuing close coordination within international organizations, including taking into account India’s chairmanship in the Group of 20 and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, the statement said.
“At the request of Narendra Modi, Vladimir Putin gave principled assessments in the context of Russia’s line on the Ukrainian direction,” it added.
Putin and Modi also agreed to continue personal contacts.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/politics/putin-modi-discuss-situation-in-ukraine-russia-india-ties/2765605
Meanwhile, the U$ continues to try to get the “Quad” to work:
>India, Japan to hold maiden bilateral air exercise
The IAF said the upcoming exercise will be another step in deepening strategic ties and closer defence cooperation between the two countries.
January 07, 2023
>India and Japan will hold their first bilateral air exercise from January 12 to 26, in reflection of the growing defence ties amid increasing concerns over China’s military muscle flexing in the Indo-Pacific region.
> India and Japan agreed to step up bilateral defence cooperation and engage in more military exercises, including holding of the first joint fighter jet drills, during the second ‘2+2 Foreign and Defence Ministerial’ dialogue in Tokyo in September.
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-japan-to-hold-maiden-bilateral-air-exercise/article66349664.ece
I had previously been unaware of the “long standing bond of friendship” between Japan and India?
I guess when you both hate China, that’s the bond.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 13 2023 4:40 utc | 199

Opport Knocks | Jan 13 2023 4:39 utc | 197
Your opinion about the purely ceremonial, comedic and antiquated role of the Governor General was shared by Australians. Right up to (and even after) the GG sacked the Prime Minister ….

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jan 13 2023 4:44 utc | 200